Transcript for Piscataway Council meeting on August 10 2021

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Speaker 3     00:04:05     regular meeting agenda, August 10th, 2021, 1:30 PM. They couldn't notice of this meeting has been provided as required under chapter 2 31, PL 1975. They should pack the time date, location, or daddy information. And to the extent known their agenda by posting a copy of the notice on the miniature building municipal court. And the two municipal library will let in board MySuper website, providing a copy to the official newspaper of the township by filing a copy in the office of township in accordance with that certification by the Clark, which will be entering the minute. The township continued to use the telephone meeting format in an effort to mitigate the chance of expos the COVID-19 as a part of the township ongoing effort to slow the rate as me sending an order, whelming our treatment center in order to make your make sure your record of the meeting can be made.  
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Speaker 3     00:06:05    And the technology does not allow us to know if there are people of color on  line. We ask that if you wish to speak that you dial in a separate line so that we can recognize you as a separate Indonesia and do your mail. So submit return, come comment to the township plot up to the 48 hours prior to the meeting to be viewed by the township cloud. During the public comment portion of the meeting, shady comment will be limited to 10 minutes of the reading. Thank you for your patience. As you continue to move the township forward during the, this health emergency  
Speaker 4     00:06:52    Councilman Boulevard, do you need to hit, can you hear me now? Yes. Okay. So you're present, correct? I'm president council, woman Cahill here. Councilman con  
Speaker 3     00:07:17    Here.  
Speaker 4     00:07:19    Councilman Lombardi, Councilman Ralph Councilman urban council, president Shaw, mayor Brian Waller, business administrator, Timothy Daisey township attorney Rajveer Gomer, Deputy township clerk, Monica Orlando here. And I'm here Melissa Cedar, the township clerk.  
Speaker 3     00:07:54    Thank you, Mr. . Please stand for the flag of the,  
Speaker 4     00:08:01    I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God, indivisible with Liberty and justice for all.  
Speaker 3     00:08:16    Thank you, Tim. I'm here.  
Speaker 4     00:08:25    Thank you.  
Speaker 3     00:08:27    Okay. At some number five I'll and administration from administration and constantly regarding adjournment of any matter of this on this agenda,  
Speaker 4     00:08:45    None. Thank you, council president.  
Speaker 3     00:09:09    And they just signed the concept or what if it is act that may be considered in the consent agenda? What trade on together? The material for this item have been distributed to the council in advance of the meeting. At this time, I let any item. The council would like to remove from the consent vision that we discussed or what they're on separately. Um, a at them number six, open to the public comment regarding item 17 consultation. If you wish to speak at this time, please press star nine two days. Your hand, when it is your turn to speak, you will hear an announcement that you have been unmuted at that time. Please state your name and address and know that you have two minutes in which you make your comment. The counselor administrator will respond if necessary after you have completed any comment or question  
Speaker 4     00:10:17    Council president I'm unmuting the first individual with their hand raised to speak during this portion of the meeting. Hold on one second. Last four digits, 0 5 7 0. Please state your name and address. Thank you.  
Speaker 5     00:10:39    David Akins, Ambrose valley lane. Good evening. Council On item number 17, deep or Delta, the secretary, a sewer rehabilitation saying four. Is that being subsidized in any way as far as cost or is that strictly, uh, on the tax payers up the Skyway,  
Speaker 4     00:11:13    Mr. Akins, I'm going to ask that you make all your statements about the items you're inquiring about, and then after your three minutes, um, you know, if someone wants to respond, they will okay  
Speaker 5     00:11:23    To add, or just give you the numbers for actually go through asking you  
Speaker 4     00:11:29    Whichever ones you're inquiring about. You have your three minutes and then, um, if someone wants to respond, they'll respond.  
Speaker 5     00:11:36    All right. Well, I just gave you a 17 D for Delta, um, F for Foxtrot, I for India  
Speaker 6     00:12:12    Right now,  
Speaker 7     00:12:27    Tim, do you want to take this on? Do you want me to take this one?  
Speaker 6     00:12:30    Um, if, if I, if you may, um, counsel present, I could take a, the sanitary sewer remediation comes from funds through sewer utility, and I believe to D Delta Delta, that's the annual misspoke Alliance grant that we receive. And then, then, then let me see, what else you also asked about number w um, this is the close out, uh, the contract for, uh, kazoo street with a local aid project, the OT project. So, um, Mr. Herrera says they satisfied all the conditions in terms of the contract. And I believe you had number, I believe see which one that was, um, that's, uh, brotherhood. I believe it's authorized to return them inspection fees for, um, a property on brotherhood street.  
Speaker 6     00:13:19    And I believe you had the one with the street trees also, that's the grant that the, um, that we submit it for every year for contract to put up supplement trees and David, one of the problems is that we have a lot of the, um, Ash trees that are dying, that are at the street level that we've had to go in and cut down because they're completely dead. So when we go in and take down the dead trees, we, the following year, we normally, we plant new trees, street trees. I hope that answer your question.  
Speaker 7     00:13:49    I think I is actually for the, uh, up, up uplifting of the, uh, the police interceptor vehicles.  
Speaker 6     00:13:56    Yeah. That's normal buying them. We normally buy four to five vehicles a year, David. Um, we probably won't see the delivery on these for at least seven or eight months because of the ship shortage, uh, computer chips, shortages with cars. So we're putting our order in now.  
Speaker 3     00:14:20    Thank you,  
Speaker 4     00:14:27    Council president. I'm asking the next individual to unmute themselves last four digits, 2 7 71. Please unmute yourself and state your name and address. Thank you.  
Speaker 8     00:14:40     two 80 river. Um, it's pretty simple. I was just looking at I and I, that was that for the purchase of an updating of the, for a police vehicle, you were speaking up, it says not to exceed $77,089 and 28 cents. And I was just curious, is that for the complete purchase and upfitting of four vehicles, or is that per vehicle? Because it just seemed kind of low. I mean, if it's your four vehicles, congratulations at the great price.  
Speaker 7     00:15:10    And this is the attention of attorney it's, um, it's not for the purchase of the vehicles. It's actually for the equipment upfitting of it once it's been purchased. So, oh, okay. Thank you. Unfortunately, that would be a great price if we could go.  
Speaker 8     00:15:24    Wow, that's amazing. Let's let's buy more. Yeah.  
Speaker 7     00:15:27    Yep.  
Speaker 8     00:15:29    Thank you.  
Speaker 7     00:15:34    Okay, so back for awhile.  
Speaker 4     00:15:43    Okay. Let us know if your call gets dropped again. Thanks council president. I have one, uh, other individual on, uh, with their hand raised for this public portion, my four digit 7 6 0 4. Please state your name and address. Thank you.  
Speaker 9     00:16:04    Good evening. It's Stacy Berger, 2 33 Ellis Parkway. I just have a procedural question on the consent agenda, which is what I believe you're all voting on. Now, there are two resolutions to authorize the public question, which are also having a hearing later in the next two agenda items. I just have a question, I guess, Mr. Groomer, if you, I'm just not familiar with why you would go ahead and put the questions to approve the questions prior to having a hearing and unless everyone's already decided that they're going to vote. No.  
Speaker 4     00:16:45    Is that all the questions you have about the consent agenda?  
Speaker 9     00:16:48    Um, I'm not sure. I might have another follow-up question based on the information I get from Mr. .  
Speaker 4     00:16:53    Okay. Well, the statement for now is for three minutes now, and then, um, they'll go from that. Okay.  
Speaker 9     00:17:00    Thank you,  
Speaker 7     00:17:05    Ms. Berger, those two items, E and F S um, they are separate public questions from the petitions initiative petitions that are going to follow on items seven and eight. Um, we can provide the questions. I mean, there's multiple public comment periods, so, um, but I can probably pull up the questions if you want and have them ready for the next public portion period.  
Speaker 4     00:17:38    Counsel, The council president, I'm asking the next individual to unmute themselves.  
Speaker 10    00:18:07    Uh, hello, uh, Brian rack, 1247 Brookside road. I don't fully follow what Mr. Gummer just said. So there's separate public questions that appear to duplicate the petitions that are going on the next ballot. I really don't understand that explanation. Could you elaborate on that? That's that's really all I had.  
Speaker 7     00:18:28    No,  
Speaker 10    00:18:29    That's really all I have.  
Speaker 7     00:18:35    Yes, the directors they're not duplicating the question. Um, there are two separate public questions that the council is, is requesting to put on the ballot, um, by the county clerk. I'm pulling them up. Give me one second. Um, bear with me. Of course, my computer's not working. Great.  
Speaker 11    00:19:09    Raj, do you need one of us to pull it up for, for, you know, cause I think I can get it myself here.  
Speaker 7     00:19:18    I've got one of them, um, for the tape one. Um, the question that the, the council is asking to be put on the ballot is it should the township of Skyway broadcasted township counts actually, no, this isn't the final, you know that, um, yeah. Uh, council kale. Okay.  
Speaker 7     00:19:43    Perfect. Thank you. Um, so the first one is for the tape ordinance is the question is, should the township of Prescott to rebroadcast its township council planning board and zoning board meetings on PCTV and online when the cost of doing so is estimated to increase Piscataway property taxes by approximately $575,100 and 63 cents, or will result in a reduction in current services to Prescott away resonance. Um, the other question is in regard to the EMS services and the question being put on the ballot is should the township Piscataway create a new division of emergency medical services when the cost of doing so is estimated to increase the Skyway property taxes by approximately $643,683 and 27 cents or, or will result in a reduction in current services to Piscataway residents. Thank you, judge  
Speaker 4     00:20:46    Council, president, I'm asking the next individual to unmute themselves with their hand raised 9 6, 9 7. If you can unmute yourself and state your name and address, please. Thank you,  
Speaker 12    00:20:58    Charlie. . I am here in new Brunswick, the editor of new Brunswick today. Can you hear me?  
Speaker 4     00:21:05    Yeah, we can hear you. Thank you.  
Speaker 12    00:21:07    Okay. So yeah, I think the, uh, questions that folks were getting at was more about the sort of order of operations and the procedures, uh, with regard to the Faulkner act initiatives you're putting, um, you're passing a resolution right now to put the question on the ballot before you hold the public hearing. And I guess that doesn't make a lot of sense to me because the law says you're supposed to have a public hearing, uh, before the council makes a decision. It's it's like the first reading of the ordinance, um, is the certification. And then you have the public hearing. This is essentially you're doing the, you're doing it backwards in my opinion. And so I'd like to hear from your council about that. And I'm also curious about the wording of the question that we just heard and whether that was the wording that appeared on the petition or whether the township and the Hoagland firm has done some, uh, uh, you know, altering of it or, or, uh, adding to it. And, uh, uh, I'm curious if you did that, why you did that? I think that's probably it for now.  
Speaker 7     00:22:35    Okay. Thank you, Mr. Credible. This is the town's attorney. Um, first of all, it's not procedurally improper. If you'd look, this is just a comment period for the consent agenda. The clerk certification public hearings are actually going to take place prior to the vote on the consent agenda. Um, so procedurally it is proper. Um, you know, I, I think I'm sure there'll be discussion as to, you know, why the council is, is taking the step, but I'll leave that up to the council.  
Speaker 11    00:23:07    Yeah. Counsel present. Yeah. I, I just wanted to say, I think, um, I'm not sure who mentioned it, but this particular portion just to reiterate was really the public portion questions and comments on the consent agenda item, not the council vote, just to make sure that's perfectly clear  
Speaker 4     00:23:33    Council president and I have another individual with their hand raised with regard to this agenda item. I'm asking them to unmute themselves last four digits, 6 3 6 3 8 6, please unmute yourself and state your and address.  
Speaker 13    00:23:50    Hi, yes, this is Jessica crowd Advil, uh, 1247 Brookside road. I'm really curious how you came to the total cost on a $587,000 and change. If I recollect what Mr. Groomer said about the cost to broadcast the public meetings. Um, I was wondering if someone could elaborate as to how that figure was reached with the, um, the established broadcasting, uh, equipment and capabilities that the township has already, that it seems inordinately high for such a small thing as to broadcast these public meetings, which are not all that frequent. So if you could explain how that figure was reached, I would really appreciate it. And that concludes my questions.  
Speaker 7     00:24:56    Thank you.  
Speaker 11    00:24:58    Um, council council presidents. This is, um, also a woman Kay hill here, um, to, um, answer Ms. Credible's question. Um, um, in light of the, um, petition that, um, we understood was going around, um, we really felt it was incumbent upon us to look into based upon, uh, the way the question would be posed, um, the way in which I believe that, um, the airing of the shows, uh, were to take place, um, and what we would need for personnel that would be like over time, you know, after hours, et cetera, et cetera. So we enlisted our, uh, CFO actually, um, and, uh, other folks in the administration to look at, uh, the draft to look, to see what it is that we would need that is certainly, I, I do believe correct me if I'm wrong, Raj and operable item, but we, we certainly didn't come up with, if we actually asked, um, people in the know to, to give us an idea of what that cost would be, and we felt it was going to come it upon us to, um, convey that information.  
Speaker 7     00:26:18    Um, I just want to clarify, I know we spoke earlier, um, that these documents are still in the draft phase in regard to the estimates. So at the moment they wouldn't be operable, but I'm sure soon, um, there will be a final, uh, finalist summit, uh, produced and available  
Speaker 4     00:26:42    Council president. There are no other individuals with their hand raised at this time.  
Speaker 3     00:26:48    Thank you. So I'm closing the public portion and now we go on item number seven and same thing for public. If you wish to speak at this time, please press star nine to raise your hand. When it is your turn to speak, you will hear an announcement that you have been unmuted at that time. Please state your name and address and know that you have three minutes in which you make your comment. The counselor and Henry certainly spent it necessarily after you have completed any comment or question, Mr. Kenu, read this item. Number seven, o'clock please.  
Speaker 4     00:27:31    Certification of the new school clerk of the tantric goes to scattering your Jersey certifying to this decision seat of petition under N J S a 40 colon 69, a dash 1 8 4, et seq. Whereas on July 12th, 2021, a committee of petitioners comprised of Camilla Tillman presiding at two 80 river road, maybe Goldstein residing at 208th street Juliet postrace residing at nine Juniper lane, Laura Liebowitz residing at one or two Stratton street, south and Stacey Berger residing at 2 33 LS Parkway submitted an initiative petition named transparency access and public engagement under N J S a 40 Colin's 69 8 dash 180 4. And whereas as required by N J S a 40 Colin's 69 8 dash 180 4, in order for the petition to be submitted to the township council, it was required to be signed by a number of the legal voters of the township of the Skyway equal number to at least 10%, but less than 15% of the total votes cast in the municipality at the last election, in which members of the general assembly were elected subject to the restrictions set forth in N J S a 40 colon 69 8 dash 1 92.  
Speaker 4     00:28:48    And whereas as required by N J S a 40 cone, 69, a 180 7, the township clerk is required to independently review the petition. And within 20 days determine whether the committee has complied with the requirements of the law to certify to a sufficient petition. And whereas on August 2nd, 2021, the deputy township clerk notified the committee of the insufficiency of the petition and informing them of their right to file an amended petition within 10 days, correct, in the insufficiencies. And whereas on August 3rd, 2021, the committee filed the secondary petition, amending the initial filing with the township clerk. And whereas on August 6th, 2021, the township clerk notified the committee of the sufficient sufficiency of the amended petition as required by N J S a 40 columns, 69, 8 dash 180 8. And whereas under the applicable law, the township clerk is to certify, do the sufficiency or insufficiency of the petition or amended petition as the case may be informing the township council of and presenting to them.  
Speaker 4     00:29:51    The ordinance, the petition and amended petition seeks the council's action on. And whereas as required by N J S a 40 colon 69, 8 dash one 90 upon a certification of the sufficiency of the petition, the township clerks shall submit the ordinance to the township council for its consideration. With that ordinance, having been deemed to have already had a first reading and required notice and shall be submitted to the council for a public hearing. And whereas as required by N J S a 40 colon 69 8 dash 1 91, if within 20 days of the submission of the certified petition to the township council, the council fails to pass the ordinance requested by the amended petition in substantially. The same form requested the municipal clerk shall submit the ordinance to the voters and less and less at least four fifths of the committee requests, the amount of petition be withdrawn. I'm Melissa Cedar municipal clerk to the township of Piscataway hereby certify that the amended petition submitted to my office on August 3rd, 2021, and reviewed by my office has met the requirements of the applicable law. And I hereby submit the ordinance contained in the amended petition to the township council with that ordinance, having been deemed to have already met the notice requirements of first reading. And she'll have a public hearing on August 10th, 2021 council president, and asking the first individual with their hand raised to unmute themselves for this public portion.  
Speaker 12    00:31:33    Yeah, that's me again, surely crowded bill. Good evening. Once again, I want to point out for the record that, uh, whoever's controlling the microphones for the meeting is muting everyone. Uh, as soon as, uh, you know, we, we finished with our initial round of questions and, you know, it's pretty transparent to me that this is, uh, you know, just part and parcel of your scheme to suppress public comment and public dissent at these meetings. Um, you know, for the record during your, your last, uh, open public comment, I asked two questions and you answered one of them and ignored the other one completely. It seems pretty clear to me that the council has already made up their mind and they don't want to, uh, pass either of these ordinances and they don't want the public to pass them either. So you're rewriting the questions to include, uh, you know, your own predictions of how much this is going to cost.  
Speaker 12    00:32:33    Obviously inflating those predictions to, uh, uh, you know, try to sway the outcome of the election. And that's really despicable. And, you know, I would like to hear from you on that, but since you're going to make me say everything I got to say in one fell swoop, I'm also going to respond to what was said at the last meeting with council, woman Cahill criticizing me for mentioning that folks can listen to recordings of these meetings at the Paskataway progressive democratic organization, Facebook page. And I really exception to that because that is an organization that is doing what this council should be doing and going out of their way to find a way to connect people with these meetings. Um, you know, during this time where the meetings are virtual, it's something that could be accomplished very easily for you who are recording the meeting, but choose not to share the recording with the public, uh, unless it's Oprah requested, you're just putting up obstacles to the public, engaging with you. We see it or hear it, hear on these calls. And, you know, I'm really, uh, you know, as a journalist who covers the SCAD away, someone who would, uh, you know, very much prefer being able to watch the meetings on online and, uh, and, uh, uh, you know, have, uh, proper recordings made to them that are available. Uh, so I don't have to hop in my car and bring my camera to the council chambers and, and, and, and get this all on video to share with our, our audience and, you know,  
Speaker 11    00:34:08    20 seconds, less than your portion.  
Speaker 12    00:34:10    Thanks. Well, PPO should be commended for broadcasting the meetings, and it was despicable that you criticize me for telling people where to kind of reporting to the meeting. So for shame,  
Speaker 7     00:34:25    If I could just, uh, just advise boomer, I just want to clarify one thing for Mr. Kratovil. Um, there's no change to the question the township and the council has no authority to change the question that's being presented to them. And the initiative petition. These are two separate, uh, ballot questions that are being added to the ballot. Um, so the Ms. Credible indicates that the township's modifying them, that that is not the case.  
Speaker 11    00:34:54    Uh, council presents. This is council woman Kay hill. Um, I appreciate Mr. Credible's comments about how he feels about my comments. Um, I do want to point out thank it. Was that the last meeting that I was talking about civil discourse, at one point, it might have been the last of the meeting before, and because I'm not a person who typically wants to go after somebody, um, I didn't think to even comment back when, and again, I don't have the minutes, but it's in the minutes where I do believe Mr. Kratovil had some sort of veiled threat against the council or the administration when his back was up against the wall to having said that, I'll say it again. I feel civil discourses, good conversation is good, but being bullied around or being threatened is not an acceptable way to have civil discourse. And that is all I have to say, council president, thank you.  
Speaker 4     00:36:04    Not the president. I'm asking the next individual to unmute themselves 7, 6 0 4. Please unmute yourself. Thank you.  
Speaker 9     00:36:17    Good evening. It's Stacy Berger, 2 33 Ellis Parkway. First of all, I want to thank and congratulate the committee of petitioners who have moved this forward. Um, Kamala Tillman, Juliet pastors, Maura Liebowitz, and Mindy Walsh. I want to thank the clerk's office and the Cedar and Mr. Orlando for their extremely professional approach to all of the, uh, requests that we made in the back and forth. Um, they couldn't have been more pleasant or more professional to deal with. We have great public employees in our community, and we thank them. I wish our leaders were as professional and thoughtful as our employees because Ms. Kay hill clearly says one thing and then goes ahead and does another. But that seems to be what everyone is doing tonight. Um, the biggest, thanks goes to the, to our voters over a thousand residents signed and supported this common sense proposal.  
Speaker 9     00:37:02    And it's really absolutely atrocious that you all would try to put a bait and switch and try to change shamefully, try to dissuade people from having access to basic information that every other community in our state for the most, almost everywhere else does this without any issues. So clearly you all have something I'm sorry, someone else want to say something during my three minutes, someone else was talking clearly you all have plenty to hide and you're willing to go around and around and around to make sure that people don't know what is happening here. It's a reflection of the way that you have operated. You all were unwilling, uh, UN UN uninformed, and it lawfully prevented me from videotaping a few years ago. And so we have as a volunteer service to our community recorded, uh, the meetings and people find them very helpful. We have hundreds of people watch those, but there's no reason why volunteers should have to do it.  
Speaker 9     00:37:58    That is in fact what we pay taxes for and what you have a TCTV agreement with cable, vision, and optimum for that I believe is up for renewal. So perhaps we should talk about that at another time. Um, however, we're really, um, you know, we are really behind the times here in Piscataway the technology and, uh, the, the ability to keep people involved and engaged and informed is an important part of our civil discourse and our civil discourse that Ms Kay hope comes. She cares so much about, uh, our neighbors want this ordinance and you're resorting to scare tactics and threats of property taxes being increased. Uh, when you give away $8 in property tax abatements to for-profit companies and warehouses that are being built next to elementary school. So clearly what your agenda is to try to put forward a separate question, which I don't even believe it's legal because these are resolutions in that ordinances.  
Speaker 9     00:38:51    And certainly we'll be in touch with our legal counsel to try to make sure that you all follow the law because you really do often just make it up. The rest of the world has pivoted to streaming and broadcasting before the pandemic. And especially during the pandemic, there was literally no reason why our community that is made up of talented and dedicated people that shouldn't be informed about what is being planned. You're clearly trying to hide something and it's incredibly shameful and disrespectful and dishonest. Uh, we thank and appreciate all of the work that's been done by everyone to get this ordinance on the ballot in November. And we look forward to seeing it past  
Speaker 4     00:39:35    Council president. I'm asking you the next individual with our hand raised to unmute themselves 2 7, 7 1. Please unmute yourself. Thank you.  
Speaker 8     00:39:45    Good evening. I'm Evan. Shakuhachi again, two 80 river. Um, I just want to congratulate everyone that worked on this. This seemed like a pretty common sense thing. Uh, it's not really my thing, petitions and so on and so forth. Um, but it, it's great to hear that we have the possibility to excuse me. Oh, my apologies. Um, it's, uh, great to hear the possibility that we might actually be able to hear and see each other publicly, um, without, you know, having to go to a meeting we are in that age. It'd be pretty cool without COVID. Um, you know, I would suggest that maybe we look at, um, we use zoom now. I think it's a whole whopping 20 bucks a month for a professional account. Um, it'd be a pretty easy way that doesn't cost a few hundred thousand dollars. I do think it's pretty amazing that you guys feel that this will be a successful measure as you've already gone ahead and priced it out. But what I am confused by Mr Gummer is, um, you said that these prices are, you know, it's not an operable document because these aren't yet, uh, final prices, but yet you gave a final price. You put on a ballot measure. So, um, congrats to everyone. I applaud open government. Uh, I applaud everyone that worked and, uh, I'm done with my questions. I just like to understand where this number came from and how it's not finalized and not operable, but we're going to print it on a ballot. Um, thank you so much,  
Speaker 11    00:41:12    Counsel present. I think it just want to clarify, do you believe that Raj said it would be Oprah rubble? Uh, these documents just are not a hundred percent finalized, and this is part of, um, the discussion in the open, um, to the public portion. So it will be operable, um, once the numbers finalized, um, given the fact that, um, you know, we, we weren't necessarily working on a pricing per month. Um, I do believe that this was just a first draft, really, to give us an idea of what that costs would be. And, um, Mr. Goodbar can correct me if I'm wrong.  
Speaker 7     00:41:56    That's correct. Um, I mean, I mean, I think these, the, the administration did a really job in, in regard to, um, getting pretty accurate numbers, but the actual document showing the calculations is, you know, with the time constraints, wasn't completely finalized. Um, it's still in draft. And so the numbers are probably pretty accurate, but the actual document until it's actually finalized is not operable as it's a in draft form being, you know, uh, being finalized  
Speaker 4     00:42:29    Well, president I'm asking the next individual to unreal, to unmute themselves who had their hand raised 3 1 6, 7, 7, 8, yourself. Thank you.  
Speaker 14    00:42:44    Yeah. Can I can hear me? Yes. We can hear you now. Very important. I'm a little confused as well, how we can come off half cocked with this whole idea of giving numbers. As in basically using scare tactics to the taxpayers to say, this could cost you $500,000 to broad task. Something that should be broadcasted, you know, well, before today, um, as Evan said before, zoom is cheap 20 bucks a month, so, and $500,000 a year sounds overly inflated. And it just sounds like a scare tactic to try to scare the residents of this town, the taxpayers of this town, the ones who vote you guys in, um, which clearly was a mistake to turn around and scare them into raising their taxes. Just so that way they can see a town council meeting of the leaders, quote, unquote, that they elected. Um, especially in this day and age with COVID where a lot of the residents are not still comfortable leaving their homes, um, because they're afraid that they're at risk and the Delta strain on going around.  
Speaker 14    00:43:58    And here we are now using zoom and you guys won't even broadcast video. Um, I don't know what you're hiding. Um, but it's really like, you guys are a joke. Like, I don't understand why we're sitting here having a conversation and you expect people to vote on it. And you're going to come with a half cock proposal of how much it's going to cost. Why don't you come to us when you have the real numbers? Why don't you guys actually do some work, then come to us and say, these are the hard numbers. This is what it's going to cost. Not a, oh, well, you can come back later and find it. No, bruh, no, that's not how you do this. That's not how you petitioned or do a bid. If someone sends a bid to the township and said, Hey, here's some numbers, but, uh, you can come back later and ask us what the real numbers are. You would pick the bid out and you wouldn't let that company, your corporation do the, do the work or bid on the work, because you would say, it's incomplete. This right here is incomplete. That's all I have to say.  
Speaker 11    00:44:57    Uh, council presence. This is counseling Cahill yet. And I, and I don't want to see the voice here if any of the council members certainly want to comment on this. Um, I'd like to address the, the first part of, um, the caller's question. I do apologize the, the audio I did not hear who was, so I apologize for not addressing you properly. Um, so a couple of things here, um, you know, that the referendum which went out and was voted on and, and it'll be on the ballot as, as it was written, um, didn't include enough applause. And because the nature of this referendum would require, um, additional work hours. Um, absolutely we need to up, we would need to upgrade equipment. You know, I think myself along with other council members, we believe that it was important to include, um, a dollar figure. And, and, and to the point about just coming up with numbers, that is not what we said.  
Speaker 11    00:46:05    Um, our CFO clearly put a lot of work into it with, with just the amount of time, of course, um, in which, um, we felt it was important to come up with this, you know, the rough amount is about there it's enough to have a, a public discourse on it. We're not talking, it's gonna weigh hundreds of thousand dollars one way or another. Um, they came up with some really, you know, firm numbers based upon personnel, uh, you know, hours, equipment, um, et cetera, I think. And I do believe that I think the referendum, if I'm correct, um, is looking to have, uh, the show aired, I believe it's live on, on P through PCTV, which has an additional cost to it where if it's not pre recorded and put up, but all that said, the number here that we are working with and that we can really discuss out loud is a pretty low number, very close number.  
Speaker 11    00:47:16    Um, and the public will have an option to it. The other point that we need to make here is that as a council, we felt it was important that residents are aware of the cost involved. Um, we, we, you know, we are all working under 2% cap still, so that will come into play, you know, probably for next year. So a lot of this has to do with, um, that piece of it. Um, nothing is going to be changed with, um, the petition, um, as it was, um, um, sent in and certified by Melissa Melissa theater. This will be an additional question that we'll, we'll put out to residents. Um, I will say one other thing is that again, I just really take exception to the, um, scaling at us to be that we're hiding something. I mean, you're, you're insinuating something, um, that we're doing, uh, potentially, you know, that's illegal or nefarious.  
Speaker 11    00:48:24    You've got a council route here of longstanding Piscataway residents. Who've lived here for years upon years, I myself at 21 years, Muncie the, have the fewest years here in Piscataway folks have raised their children here. They have children in public school. Now I really take offense to being accused of hiding something. And it's really unfair to be bullied. And in essence, for you to accuse of something that you have no foundation to accuse us of none, not, not proof of anything. And I for one will continue to want to be civil, have a discourse, listen, but I believe not entertain being accused of doing something wrong, not one bit. Thank you, council, president.  
Speaker 15    00:49:28    Yeah. Council, woman Lombardi. And I'd like to also comment on a council woman, Carrie Hills comment, um, the people who are accusing us weekly of not being transparent, do not want us to be transparent with the voters of the township to what this would take to actually make happen. So I find that very interesting, the ones who are completely confused accusing us week after week, the same people who want us to be transparent or not transparent with the public as to how much it makes, uh, it cost to make things happen. And that's all I'll have to say about that. Thank you. That's a present. I'm asking the next individual who has their hand  
Speaker 13    00:50:27    Raised on mute themselves? Last word is digit 6, 3 8, 6. I mean herself. Your name is Jessica credible again, uh, 1247 Brookside road. Can you hear me? Yes, we can hear you wait. So first I wanted to thank, um, the petitioners for compiling the petition and doing a very hard work of going out and knocking on doors and getting those signatures of interested people to make our government easier to access and available to more people than it currently is. And I really want to commend them for going out and doing that. And I do want to say, I did go out and I got one whole petition, so that myself. And would you believe that a lot of the people I, I spoke to said they don't already do this in Piscataway. I know they do it in new Brunswick and they do it in other towns.  
Speaker 13    00:51:34    It doesn't seem like it would be that hard. Why can't the Statway do that for its residents? So I do want to say this is something that the public wants. It's not just me. It's not just Stacy and it's not just Charlie Kratovil. Um, and I really was disconcerted when I heard Mr. Groomer read the draft of the question that, uh, Piscataway is proposing to put up in my understanding to counter the question that, um, the petitioners raised and the, the, the number that you're all very competent and put a lot of really hard work into. But can't explain to us at this time, I you've arrived at it. And especially the part where you talk about the removal of services. So you're saying that this will cost so much money. We're going to have to take other things away from you in order to have a public government.  
Speaker 13    00:52:36    That's the kind of thing where you're saying that were bullying. You were threatening you, but you're threatening us by you saying, if you want to have transparency in the government, you have to lose other things. And we're not against transparency. We want it, which is why we asked how you arrived at $587,000. So that's one thing I did also want to mention was the type of programming that you have on the PC TV about the garage with Steve Butler, Lucy's big, beautiful world of painting car guy channel. I, you know, I might be willing to lose some of those to have transparent government and be able to participate without having to drive myself across town and sit in a public building for three hours. So I really, I want everyone to have access and I don't think we're asking too much. And your put upon responses to us is, is really it's. It's insane. Thank you,  
Speaker 7     00:53:45    Council president, is this rash go away. I just want to clarify, you know, the, the backup, the actual calculations that all the council has, the calculations. Once the council actually passes it later, if they do, they have the right to request an amendment of the numbers, et cetera. If the council passes it later on, um, this backup then will be finalized and, and, uh, released and will be operable. So this isn't a situation where the council, or, you know, the township is, is hiding this document. I just, I wanted to be clear that as of right now, until the council approves and, and, um, and passes the referendum, that the document is not operable. However, if the council decides to, and these are detailed calculations, as, as I'm sure the public will see shortly, um, once the council determines that these calculations that they have, uh, you know, uh, are accurate, um, and they I'm sure they've all reviewed them. Um, they, they will, uh, and this will be an operable document. As I said, from the start, you know, it will be finalized and they will be overwhelmed.  
Speaker 13    00:54:58    Council president. I'm asking the next individual with their hand raised to unmute themselves.  
Speaker 10    00:55:06    Yep. Brian wreck 1247 Brookside road again. Um, I'd just like to start by saying the, uh, the council claiming they're not transparent is kind of, or the, I'm sorry. The council claiming they are transparent is kind of interesting. Uh, I'm looking at the website right now. We don't have meeting minutes since April posted, and I know you're going to come back and say, oh, you can open them, but why, why are those not public? Uh, I mean, you can't tell me that you've just forgotten to post meeting minutes since April. Um, and then I'm guessing that the council is going to entirely vote no on this, because there's no reason for you to propose a separate question. If you were going to accept this. So the public comment portion just seems to be a formality here, because nothing we say is going to convince you when you've already decided that your other question is the one that you want put on the thing.  
Speaker 10    00:55:55    I just, I don't know, every time I try and get information from the town, it's like pulling teeth, I'll ask questions on these meetings. And you'll say, oh, filing Oprah request, which I do. And then I get the information, but then the information is just available to me. So maybe you should start posting all the responses to Oprah request on the internet. I mean, that seems like a reasonable thing to me, but it's just every, every time we try and get information out of you, it, it it's like pulling teeth. The very first council meeting I attended was on zoom. And I asked, Hey, why aren't you allowing people to join via the computer? And you said, oh, well, there's privacy concerns. And we can't do that, which seems incorrect because your planning board meetings are on it. Your zoning board meetings are on it. Every other councils meetings were on it through the pandemic. I don't get it. Uh, if you do actually end up voting. So I'll be surprised. Um, I would suggest that if this ordinance gets passed, that you have Laura Buckley do all your zoom meetings, she does a wonderful job running the planning board meetings. So this is clearly something within the town's capability already, and she's already there late at night. So I don't see how that would add a significant additional expense here.  
Speaker 10    00:57:07    Um, I think that's about it for me. Thanks.  
Speaker 4     00:57:18    I'm the president. I'm asking the next individual to unmute themselves. This have you listed as calling user one?  
Speaker 16    00:57:32    Hello? Hello. This is Cindy Paglia working or avenue. Um, I am, I actually find really all of this kind of lupus, I guess, the amount that you're talking about, um, which obviously we have no basis for is something that already is what you're saying by the planning board. Um, as well as you know, where they are currently zoom meetings. So anybody in their right mind would know that a zoom meeting, um, for under a hundred participants is actually free. Um, to do that something more at Vasquez would be 20 bucks a month. It's not something that's crazy and it's not something that's ludicrous. Uh, you have to be able to say, Hey, we can't do this. So I know people are being defensive. Um, but if you have nothing to hide, then I'm requesting, if you have nothing to hide, then put it out there because, um, the other thing you can take is you spent a million dollars going after my property.  
Speaker 16    00:58:33    You also have another sewer line going towards the $17,000. Now the studies are suddenly coming about, um, you could say that money, you don't need to take a house and feel a house. So, you know, you have a million bucks right here. So if you're gonna use this as a tool to be able to say and scare voters, I mean, scared of people saying, oh, wow, there's a cost out there to do this. You're lying. You are. And I'm sorry, I'm calling you out on it. That is fraudulent. It's not exactly what it is. And there's no way you can prove that. I guess otherwise it's like we put in a ton of open request and now we have to wait a month because what for you to make up data? I mean, that's pretty much what you're doing right now, and it's really sad. So I'm done speaking, but, you know, take a closer look if you don't want to be accused of something and put out there  
Speaker 11    00:59:21    Because anybody who doesn't have anything to hide is an open book  
Speaker 4     00:59:32    Council president. I'm asking the next individual to unmute themselves last four digits 3 9 1 0.  
Speaker 7     00:59:44    Hi. Hi. Hi, this is John Costello, two 80 river road. Um, I'm in favor, I'm in favor of this. Uh, please pass this. Uh, it's important that we have, uh, more access to these meetings. However, I think it is reasonable to have the cost in the question, in the question portion on the ballot. So the, so the, the residents can make a more detailed and more full decision. That's basically all I have to say about it. Thank you,  
Speaker 4     01:00:27    Temple president. There are no other individuals with their hands please.  
Speaker 11    01:00:35    Council president. Um, I just wanted to say, um, that the, the last resident who spoke, I do believe it was Mr. Costello. Um, that is what we're attempting to do on this. Um, and I think this council pretty much feels, um, that, you know, you get a petition, uh, to, uh, better a referendum on the, on the ballot in this town. Um, doesn't necessarily, and I appreciate, appreciate Ms. Credible very much that she went out and she put a lot of work into getting signatures signed. Um, but it doesn't necessarily represent the town as a whole, and I'm not gonna get into the merits of, you know, um, whether or not it's, uh, you know, to move forward or not. But regardless we, we move forward with, I believe the energy aggregation program, um, that became an issue because there wasn't quite the savings, um, that was fought. And, you know, this town is a fairly progressive town, um, people of Goodwill, good nature, I mean, who isn't gonna wanna sign a petition or vote on something that, you know, makes good sense, but it also to makes good sense to share the costs involved. And again, um, somebody accused us of hiding something. I'll take exception to that again, because it's always mudslinging with absolutely no facts to support it. Thank you, council, president  
Speaker 7     01:02:14    Counsel, counsel present. This is Councilman con. I tried to come in earlier,  
Speaker 17    01:02:19    But I got kind of drowned out. Um, I just, if I could just have a few seconds, I'd appreciate it. And then we can move on. Um, um, know there are a number of callers who, uh, indicated that, uh, you know, we should simply put this on zoom or live stream. This, um, you know, actually running government is, is, is, is very different than, um, you know, advocating for a cause. And it's fine and good to advocate for cause, but eventually the government has to be run. I think everybody should read the petition. The petition says broadcast on public service channels. And it's very specific. In other words, the, the petition didn't say find the least expensive way to have the public, give the public access to these meetings. It doesn't say livestream the meetings. It specifically says we want live television, a variety of different needs to comply with that.  
Speaker 17    01:03:23    And if the residents of the town vote for that, it does require costs. You have to have, you have to have equipment, you have to have technicians that are managing it so that you could run a live feed. It's not a zoom thing where we can have a guy in the back with a phone. If we did that, that would not be in compliance with what's in the petition. So what we did was ask somebody to determine what it would cost. It's hard to believe that any individuals who would argue that they're in favor of transparency would not want the public to know the costs. And this is all going to be public. There's no hidden anything. There's going to be questions on the ballot. Uh, the questions will indicate these are your choices. And the questions will indicate what the proposed cost is. And all of the information will be available to the public.  
Speaker 17    01:04:20    And the public will choose. We either, we want this, or we don't want this, but the public should understand what is it, what does it mean? And what does it cost? And frankly, if the township puts out information and, uh, folks that are in favor of this thing, that the information is not accurate, there'll be plenty of time for discussion and debate and argument about it. And that's what the, that's what democracy is. They've come to us and said, we want to participate in government. We want to, uh, we want to initiate a referendum. They, they, they got enough signatures. I appreciate the comment that it was handled properly by the clerk, because I'm sure it was, and the public will have all the information into decide and people can take positions one way or another. I don't really see why that, um, is so such a horrible thing.  
Speaker 17    01:05:15    Um, and why we're being of hiding the ball when we're simply saying, this is what, uh, all of the facts are, this is what it's going to cost. So, um, you know, it all plays itself out and, and the public will, will see it and hear it and vote on it and they'll make a decision. And, uh, it will all be out in the open for all these folks that are arguing that we're hiding something or it's deceitful that, that won't be the case cause thousands, not 1000, but 10,000 residents or so the town, uh, we'll decide, you know, how we go forward. Uh, so, um, and we'll see how that works out. Thank you, council, president  
Speaker 4     01:05:56    Council, president. There's another person with their hand, raised a messenger on mute themselves to 6 63. Please unmute yourself. Okay. State your name and address please. Hello, 2 60 63. I'm not sure if your devices needed or a phone as needed, but we cannot hear you.  
Speaker 2     01:06:51    Hello?  
Speaker 4     01:07:01    Okay. There's no one else with their hand raised council president.  
Speaker 3     01:07:04    Thank you. So I don't remember seven. I want to go for some public person. So item number eight, or could irrigation you this, If you wish to speak at this time, please press star nine to raise your hand. When it is your turn to speak, you will hear an announcement that you have been unmuted at that time. Please state your name and address and know that you have three minutes in which you make your comment, the counselor that Mr. Reed responded after you have completed any comment or question, Mr. Can you read the item? Nobody  
Speaker 4     01:07:52    Certification under the municipal clerk over the township of Skagway, New Jersey certifying to the efficiency of petition under N J S a 40 column 69, 8 dash 180 4 S sec. Whereas on July 9th, 2021, a committee of petitioners comprised of Ashish Kumar residing at seven Simon court, Michael, just DFS area residing at one 18, Shirley Jeffrey red drop presiding at one 15 Ellis Parkway, Ozzie Guzman residing at one 19 Elizabeth avenue and Michael Claire residing at one 12 exit or courts submitted an initiative petition named improving township EMS services under N J S a 40 colon 69 8 dash 180 4. And whereas as required by MJSA 40 colon 69 dash 180 4, in order for the petition to be submitted to the township council, it was required to be signed by a number of the legal voters of the township of the Skyway equal in number to at least 10%, but less than 15% of the total votes cast in the municipality at the last election, in which members of the general assembly were elected subject to the restrictions set forth in N J S a 40 Colin's 69 8 dash 1 92. And whereas as required by N J S a 40 Colin's 69 8 dash 1 8 7, the township clerk is required to independently review the petition. And within 20 days determine whether the committee has complied with the requirements of the law to certify to a sufficient petition.  
Speaker 4     01:09:30    And whereas on July 29th, 2021, the deputy township clerk notified the committee of the insufficiency of the petition and informing them of their right to file an amended petition within 10 days, correct, in the insufficiencies. And whereas on August 6th, 2021, the committee filed the secondary petition, amending the initial filing with the township clerk. And whereas on August 10th, 2021, the township clerk notified the committee of the sufficiency of the amended petition as required by NJ S a 40 Colin's 69 8 dash 1 8 8. And whereas under the applicable law, the township clerk is required to certify to the sufficiency or insufficiency of the petition or amended position as the case may be informing the township council of and presenting to them. The ordinance, the petition amended petition seeks the township council's action on. And whereas as required by N J S a 40 colon 69, 8 dash 1 9 0 upon a certification of sufficiency of petition, the township clerks just submit the ordinance to the township council for its consideration.  
Speaker 4     01:10:35    With that ordinance, having been deemed to have already had a first reading and required notice and shall be submitted to the council for a public hearing. And whereas as required by N J S a 40 colon 69 8 dash 1 9 1, if within 20 days of the submission of the certified petition to the township council, the council failed to pass the ordinance requested by the amended petition in substantially. The same form requested the municipal clerk shall submit the ordinance to the voters, unless that at least four fifth of the committee requesting that a petition be withdrawn. I'm Lucy, Cedar municipal clerk of the township of Piscataway hereby certify that the amended petition submitted to my office on August 6th, 2021, and received by my office has met the requirements of the applicable law. And I hereby submit the ordinance contained in the amended petition to the township council. Was that ordinance having been deemed to have already met the notice requirements, a first reading, and she'll have a public hearing on August 10th, 2021 Council president. There are no individuals with their hand raised.  
Speaker 3     01:12:00    Okay. So I'm closing the public portion, go on to item number nine, Excuse me, used to speak at this time, please press star nine to raise your hand. When it's your turn to speak, you have to hear the announcement that you have been unmuted at that time. Please state your name and address and know that you have in three minutes in which you make your comment, the counselor and Mr. Responded initially, after you have completed any comment or questions,  
Speaker 4     01:12:51    Fears all by the township council, Galloway township, New Jersey, then an ordinance, a titled ordinance to amend and supplement the revised general ordinances of the township of getaway county of Middlesex, state of New Jersey amending chapter seven, traffic section 40 control for the movement and the parking of traffic on public and private property to assert title 39 jurisdiction on the parking lots located at 4 75 Stoughton road and 800 Centennial avenue in the township Skagway county of Middlesex state of New Jersey was introduced on the 29th day of June, 2021. And it passed the first reading and was published on the second day of July, 2021. Now therefore be it resolved that the author said ordinance, having had a second reading on August 10th, 2021 be adopted past and after passage be published together with the notice of the data pasture approval and the official newspaper. The further resolved that this ordinance shall be assigned number 2021 dash one eight.  
Speaker 3     01:14:03    Do you have any comment from public person? Yeah,  
Speaker 4     01:14:12    A mess. When the first individual to, uh, unmute themselves with regard to this agenda item, that's four digit 2 7 71, please. Don't meet yourself.  
Speaker 8     01:14:22    Hi. Yes, Evan Schakowsky, uh, river road rescue chief one-on-one Shirley Parkway. I would like you guys to know that I raised my hand probably about 15 to 20 times in regards to item number eight. Um, I was skipped, um, so I don't know if anyone else was skipped as well. Um, I initially,  
Speaker 4     01:14:44    Yeah, no, one's getting the certification.  
Speaker 8     01:14:48    Um,  
Speaker 4     01:14:50    Anyway, we have a screen in front of us, so that's we call on there several people with their hands where he is now. So there's nothing wrong with the system.  
Speaker 8     01:14:59    Okay. Well, I really did try 15 to 20 times. Um, so I, I don't know. What would I be able to speak on that? I do apologize. I understand. There's an order. I'm just trying to do the best I can with the technology  
Speaker 7     01:15:19    Mr. SKUs, give him, you know, if you want to make statements on number seven, I think you said I had made that this is item eight, actually EMS. Oh nine. Sorry. I, if you want to, if you want to go ahead and make your statement now we'll give you the three.  
Speaker 8     01:15:34    Okay. I do appreciate that. And I encourage anyone else that might've had issues. And I don't know if they did, it could just be a glitch thing happen, um, to, to do the same. Um, I do. This is actually a really cool petition. Um, I think this was born out of, out of, uh, some things have been going on lately. Um, some members of the community actually came to us, which is the more than I can say in the last half decade that I've been with river road. Uh, so I'd like to thank everyone that came out and asked us, you know, what could possibly be done different? Um, it's just, uh, my understanding is this, this, uh, resolution really just created a table for people to talk at. Um, and it really just, it put, put forth just requirements for, for people that are involved in making decisions of EMS.  
Speaker 8     01:16:17    It didn't actually create a department in the sense of ambulances or response or hire any personnel other than maybe an EMS coordinator, which I welcome because unfortunately, I don't know if we currently have an EMS coordinator, the last gentleman that served, uh, unfortunately deceased. And I don't know if he'd been replaced yet so that this would be some, you know, good. Um, it's a good place to start in my mind. And as someone else publicly stated online, uh, you know, it would actually be, even make more sense if we even added more requirements such as, you know, collegiate education for these people. Um, so I appreciate everything everyone's done every, the reaching out and it is great. Um, the only thing that I really don't understand is where the $643,000 comes from to have a meeting of, of really like a half of that. I don't have the number off the top of my head.  
Speaker 8     01:17:02    I had maybe six to eight people, four times a year. Uh, it's really, really all it is, is people, you know, just sitting down and talking, um, a forum that that's, uh, OPMA our open public meeting act applies to. Um, and would, you know, Cape or the transparency, I believe that they were speaking about, uh, that would apply to this as well, which, um, Mr. Mr. Khan, um, they do actually make zoom bridges where you can take pre-existing equipment and you can plug it in and it will, uh, transmit over zoom as well. Um, I'm not sure how that would tie into PCTV. I'm definitely no expert there, but just, just as a thought, uh, not ridiculing anything that was said, just honest, honestly, a thought I do know they make it, I just don't know how they exactly work. Um, so back to the $643,000, uh, you guys have said, this is not a firm for a number.  
Speaker 8     01:17:51    You are going to publish this number as the firm number on the ballot, which I still don't understand, but we've moved past that. So, um, without criticizing anyone, because I've heard what you said, Ms. Cahill, I'm, we're not here to attack anyone. We all just want to move forward. Um, based on the people who have come out and spoken to us, I think it is fair to them as, uh, the other gentleman said to have a number to go along with this. So I'm just really curious how I believe it was quarterly meetings, how four meetings a year is going to cost $643,000. And as chief, I can say that we are excited for the JSK contract. We think it's very interesting to be regionalized. Um, and we will thank you. We would, we would like to work with them. So I, this doesn't replace anything. Um, it's just a forum to speak. So if that question could be answered, I appreciate it. Thank you. I'm going to Cedar,  
Speaker 4     01:18:47    I'm still president. I'm asking the next individual to unmute themselves.  
Speaker 10    01:18:52    Hello, Brian rag, 1247 Brookside road. Uh, this is, this is definitely for ordinance nine. Can someone explain to me what this actually does? Like I read the text of the ordinance, but it's not clear to me. I don't understand what title 39 is. I don't understand how this abandoned parking lot appears to be up for an ordinance. So yeah, my only question is like, what does this do for the town?  
Speaker 7     01:19:17    This is the central attorney. Um, basically this allows the police to enforce township laws on private property and certain property owners request us to do it. Um, certain property owners do not want us and one of the police has jurisdiction on their property. And so this is just, um, that this property owner requested us to do it. And so therefore we are  
Speaker 4     01:19:42    Central president. I'm asking an accident is Joel with their hand raised to unmute themselves with regard to this agenda item 1, 6, 4 6. Does that mean yourself? Thank you.  
Speaker 18    01:19:58    Uh  uh, hello, my name is Daniel Pickett. I'm the president of the Danella rescue squad. Um,  
Speaker 4     01:20:07    Just  
Speaker 18    01:20:07    Here as a, uh, supporter, I guess, of the, the river road rescue squad and everything that you guys are trying to do question, um, about number eight. I'm not sure if anybody else had any issues. I, myself had issues trying to get through. I know there was a couple of times where I press star nine, it was not allowed to speak. Um, I think it's wonderful that you guys are doing the things that you're doing, trying to move forward with EMS. My only concern is moving forward. Uh, do you have anyone overseeing this, uh, EMS coordinator has Mr. Uh, Schakowsky had, uh, chief Schakowsky Arden had, uh, asked, is there anybody making sure that the EMS in town is actually looking after the residents in town? Um, and once again, also as  stated, $600,000 a year, um, not for nothing seems quite agregious for four times a year, um, that I would like a little bit more clarification on that. Uh, this is present any ticket audio of my time.  
Speaker 7     01:21:18    Thank you,  
Speaker 4     01:21:22    Council president. I'm asking you the next individual with their hand raised regarding this agenda item to unmute themselves 2 6, 6, 3.  
Speaker 7     01:21:30    Uh, please state your name and address. This is regarding food item number nine only. Hello, c'mon seven Simon code Scott away. Um, I was one of the possessions petitioners for item number eight. I also raised my hand some I could not connect. Um, so I support this petition, uh, primarily because, um, uh, you know, the, the, uh, the decisions about EMS should be made by the subject matters experts. And, and I don't think that right now we have one. So, um, you know, having some oversight committee will help us in that regard. And as far as the cost, um, and I tried to raise hand and unfortunately I was having a little phone trouble. I am in the it field. And I can tell you that $600,000, um, I could do a lot with that money. So I, uh, you know, I just want to be on record to say that I will volunteer my time, pretty free of charge to Piscataway township. And I will, I can get onto you. I can get you half of that price or less to get you connected. Okay. Anybody wants to take me on that offer, please contact you  
Speaker 17    01:22:47    And council president council, president. I, we want, this is counseling mean con can we, can we, if, if there are people that want to comment on and go backwards, I would just urge that they speak at the public portion at the end, you know, we're going to continue to just go through every item multiple times, and we can't really conduct an orderly meeting that way. There'll be a public portion at the end. And those folks can comment if they didn't feel they got the opportunity I'd like to get through the other matters that are important on the agenda.  
Speaker 7     01:23:24    Yeah. Councilman con, this is the task of attorney. Um, that's why I say I was going to ask is, is, you know, unfortunately we gave, uh, Mr. Gaskin the opportunity, but it looks like everybody's trying to take advantage of that. So, um, we request to anybody that does have comments on number eight to make those comments on the public portion and focus specifically the comments as to the item that's on the agenda currently.  
Speaker 3     01:23:51    Okay. Anybody had Christian aid regarding polite on number nine is your hand  
Speaker 4     01:24:00    Council president, um, asking, uh, the next individual to unmute themselves with regard to item nine, Your name and address, please.  
Speaker 19    01:24:26    Hi. I apologize. Um, my name's Sophie walked on the president of every road I do on the,  
Speaker 3     01:24:32    Oh, sorry. Ma'am you cannot not right now. I tell number nine. If you were to say anything, you can come back on item, number 20, open to the public. Thank you.  
Speaker 4     01:24:43    I'm asking the next individual council presidents on mute themselves. Number 3, 1 67 in regard to agenda item nine.  
Speaker 3     01:24:52     again and again, this is item number nine only if it the eight item number eight, you come back on item number 23  
Speaker 14    01:25:04    Minutes. Can you hear me? Yes. Okay, great. Yeah, you should probably not talk over people. It's kind of rude. Um, but no, I, I, I just wanted to comment on the EMS portion too, so I'll,  
Speaker 3     01:25:20    Excuse me. We explained to you before also, I'm not taking your time. We are talking about item number nine. If you want to, if you miss the item, number eight, you can come back on item number 24, open to the public. I'm requesting you. We are talking only for item number nine. Thank you very much.  
Speaker 4     01:25:38    That's a precedent. I'm asking the next individual to unmute themselves with regard to this agenda item. Last four digits 63, 8 6, please unmute yourself.  
Speaker 13    01:25:54    Hi, this is Jessica credible, 1247 Brookside road. I am intending to speak on, on issue number nine here. So, um, I thank you, Mr. Grimmer, for the explanation of what this ordinance is. And my question is, will the township be compensated for the expense of the police having to, um, uh, patrol this private area and has the solution of perhaps this private property owner building a fence to keep on wanted personnel from their property proposed instead of, um, using the township police department to police their private property, which is not a benefit that most taxpayers receive. In addition, I did want to ask, uh, since clearly the petition had a lot of interested parties and the fact that it wasn't just one person who had difficulty, it seemed to be at least a half a dozen. Well, those people have six minutes  
Speaker 3     01:27:04    And you're willing to talk about item number nine, please. You have item number 24, open for the public. Please talk about item number nine. I'm requesting you. Thank you,  
Speaker 7     01:27:25    Ms. Credible, in regards to your question on, um, what's actually enforced and titled 39, um, it's essentially, you know, handicapped parking spots, parking in the fire lane. Those kinds of violations. If title 39 authority isn't given the police department can not come in and take a bill or, or enforce those in those portions of the parking lot sword, uh, access roads. Um, so that's what this is for. It's not for, you know, speeding or anything like that. This is for safety issues and, and, um, those type of ADA regulations.  
Speaker 13    01:28:02    I'm asking you the next individual to unmute themselves 96 97, last four digits, please. I'm here yourself.  
Speaker 12    01:28:11    Do you mean once again, Charles crowd Deville? Um, I have, uh, have to raise a point of order, uh, that, you know, folks are trying to speak on an item and you're telling them that they have to wait to speak until after you make your decision. This was the issue I was concerned about before. Number 17 is where you make your consent agenda. And then you've got item 20 is where you're telling folks to speak on whether or not the, uh, EMS ordinance should pass that out of order. And, uh, you know, that's, that's wrong. They should get the chance to speak before you make your decision. And I just wanted to raise that point of order, because I, I think that, that, uh, they deserve the right to speak. I mean, the one, the one woman, you, you shut her down before she even said, well, she was speaking about  
Speaker 3     01:28:55    No Tuesday about, I talked about eight. I did not set it up anybody, but I request is a getting a game. Okay. We are talking about item number nine. You have a chance for item number 22, come back and say about public person. Thank you,  
Speaker 7     01:29:14    Mr. Credibility, or  
Speaker 12    01:29:17    Before there's a public hearing supposed to go. But before the public hearing, before the boat,  
Speaker 7     01:29:22    Yeah, Mr. Credible, you keep speaking over to me. That's fine. But, uh, the public hearing occurred. People didn't raise their hands. Now they're attempting to raise their hands in a, in a separate section. We just asked people to, to, um, speak in that section in regard to the consent agenda, where you're, what you're trying to complaint. There are two different items between the certification and the petition and the ballot questions, the ballot questions. People did have an opportunity to speak during the consent agenda, open, open public period, um, which is number six. So everybody has an ample opportunity to speak on each item before it's voted on. So I'm not sure where you're, you're getting that from, but the, you know, they had an opportunity and number eight, they did not raise their hands. They can go ahead. And if they want to make any additional comments, they can make them an item 20. But this is there's the procedurally we're doing fine.  
Speaker 12    01:30:15    Okay. I'll just say that if we were using 21st century, 21st century technology for this meeting, we would be able to see whose hands were raised or not. But because of the choices this council's made, we're in the dark ages here, listening on our telephones to the government meeting  
Speaker 4     01:30:34    Council president, I'm asking the next individual with their hand raised to unmute themselves to 6 63. This is with regard to item number nine on the agenda. Thank you.  
Speaker 7     01:30:47    Hi, this is Ashish Cohmad again, Simon Simon court, Piscataway. I just want a second. The same point on item number eight was item number eight, missed such an important point. And, and to say that no hands raised, I mean, ridiculous.  
Speaker 3     01:31:02    We explain you what attorney will say, explain to you. We are talking about it.  
Speaker 7     01:31:06    Are you an attorney is not a technology expert. I'm sorry. You know, , This is what,  
Speaker 3     01:31:16    Let me say that. Cisco, my item number seven, we held 15 calls. We took every calls, item number eight on item number.  
Speaker 7     01:31:23    What's nobody at night. And there were no calls. I mean, I mean,  
Speaker 3     01:31:27    Yes, I'm back on item number 20, as much as  
Speaker 7     01:31:30    We believe we can do. I mean, that's not the thing, but this is the point you guys are not getting. Okay. I eat my time. Thank you.  
Speaker 3     01:31:40    Thank you. Okay. Okay. Now I'm closing the public person for item number nine. Okay. Uh, Do a higher Morrison offer please. Thank you, Mr. Kennedy. Roll call please.  
Speaker 4     01:32:12    Counseling Boulevard.  
Speaker 2     01:32:22    Yeah.  
Speaker 4     01:32:29    Councilman kale.  
Speaker 2     01:32:31    Yes.  
Speaker 4     01:32:33    Councilman con Councilwoman Lombardi. Councilman Rouse.  
Speaker 3     01:32:43    Yes.  
Speaker 4     01:32:45    Councilman Aaron. Yes. Council president shot.  
Speaker 3     01:32:51    Yes. Thank you, Mr.  item, number 10. If you're used to speak at this time,  
Speaker 4     01:33:00    I read the resolution first. I'm going to read the resolution first. Be it resolved by the township council, Galloway township, New Jersey, that an ordinance entitled ordinance authorizing the acquisition of certain properties identified as block 3, 4 0 2 lots 5.01 12.01 and 13 in the township of Piscataway county of Middlesex Dayton, New Jersey for public purpose pursuant to N J S a 20 colon dash three dash one at sec was introduced on the 13th day of July, 2021. I had passed the first reading and it was published on the 16th day of July, 2021. Now therefore be it resolved at the opposite ordinance. Having had a second reading on August 10th, 2021, the adopted passed and after passage to be published together with a notice of the data passenger approval in the official newspaper via further resolved that this ordinance shall be assign number 2021 dash one nine.  
Speaker 3     01:34:08    If you wish to speak at this time, please press star nine. To raise your hand. When it's your turn to speak, you will hear an announcement that you have been unmuted at that time. Please state your name and address and know that you held three minutes in which you make comments that constellate energy still will respond if necessary after you have completed any comment or question. And this is public portion only for item number 10,  
Speaker 4     01:34:36    Council president. I'm asking the first individual to unmute themselves.  
Speaker 10    01:34:40    Hi, Brian rag, 1247 Brookside road. Again, is there any changes to the zoning law that accompanies this? I know when the house next to us burned down and they had to rebuild it, they had to go through a whole big process of getting a zoning. Um, I can't think of the word right now. They had to go before the zoning board and talk about it, uh, which was because the road suddenly got closer to their house. So they couldn't rebuild in the exact same foundation. Is that something that's being addressed here or are we just acquiring a bunch of land? And if people want to rebuild or add on later, they have to go through the zoning board.  
Speaker 7     01:35:21    Mr. . This is just for the widening of bagel and avenue and regard to acquisition and the guest people are going to get paid for it. Um, in regard to your neighbor, I don't know their specific case, but I assume that they probably needed a variance if they were, if they were not building on the same structure or foundation. So they may have been changing their floor plan. So then I can't tell you because I'm not sure of the, of what the application was, but usually if you are building on the same foundation, you wouldn't need to get a variance. But, um, again, I don't have it in front of me, so I, I yeah  
Speaker 10    01:35:53    Mean we showed up at the zoning board meeting to support it. So I'm very confident they needed a variance. That's all I have. Thanks  
Speaker 4     01:36:12    Council president. There are no other individuals with their hands raised currently.  
Speaker 3     01:36:18    Thank you. Closing the before summit item, number 10, item number 11.   
Speaker 4     01:36:27    To take a lotion and a vote. Yeah.  
Speaker 3     01:36:31    I'd like to, I'd like to offer the resolution please. Thank you. Thank you.  
Speaker 4     01:36:44    Councilman bowler. Councilman Cahill.  
Speaker 2     01:36:51    Yeah.  
Speaker 4     01:36:54    Councilman con council, woman Lombardi. Councilman Rouse. Councilman Irwin. Yes. Council president Shaw.  
Speaker 3     01:37:07    Yes. Thank you. Item number 11.   
Speaker 4     01:37:19    The it resolved by the township council. First Skagway township, New Jersey, then an ordinance entitled ordinance for the acquisition of rights of way, easements and land in fee simple for the improvement of international avenue. Piscataway township county of Middlesex state New Jersey was introduced on the 13th day of July, 2021, and it had passed the first reading and it was published on the 16th day of July, 2021. Now therefore be it resolved that the opposite ordinance having had a second reading on August 10th, 2021, the adopted pass and after passage be published together with a notice of the date of passage approval in the official newspaper. A further resolved that this ordinance shall be assigned number 2021 dash two zero.  
Speaker 3     01:38:02    Thank you. You have any questions, The open for the public. If you wish to speak at this time, please press star nine. To raise your hand, ready to use your tongue to stick. You really get an announcement that you have been unreturned at that time. Please state your name and address and know that you have three minutes to make comments the counselor and resell respond. If necessary after you have completed any comment or question, what item number 10  
Speaker 4     01:38:59    Council president. There are no individuals with their hands raised.  
Speaker 3     01:39:04    Okay. Do I have a motion?  
Speaker 2     01:39:07    Councilman?  
Speaker 3     01:39:09    Thank you.  
Speaker 2     01:39:12    Councilwoman Cahill.  
Speaker 3     01:39:15    Oh, Thank you.  
Speaker 4     01:39:27    Councilman Cahill.  
Speaker 2     01:39:29    Yeah.  
Speaker 4     01:39:30    Councilman con yes. Councilman Lombardi. Councilman Rouse. Councilman Irwin. Yes. Council president Shaw.  
Speaker 3     01:39:46    Yes. So it goes in good public portion. So we go item number 12,  
Speaker 4     01:40:06    They're resolved by the township council. This Gatorade township, New Jersey that an ordinance entitled ordinance to amend and supplement the revised general ordinances of the township of Piscataway county of Middlesex state in New Jersey amending chapter seven, traffic section 29. Mid-block crosswalks the industrial by adopted on the first reading, that'd be published in the official newspaper. And then a second reading and public hearing be held at 7:30 PM. Prevailing time at the Piscataway municipal building 4 55 hose lane to Skagway New Jersey, as well as by telephonic conference. On the 14th day of September, 2021, we be further resolved that a copy of this ordinance shall be posted in at least two public places within the township prior to the day of the second reading and final passage and a copy of this ordinance shall be made available with the office of the township clerk for any interested member of the public.  
Speaker 3     01:40:59    Thank you, Councilman or an offer. Thank you, Mr. Councilman Khan. Second. What?  
Speaker 4     01:41:18    Councilman Cahill.  
Speaker 3     01:41:21    Yeah.  
Speaker 4     01:41:22    Councilman con  
Speaker 3     01:41:24    Yes.  
Speaker 4     01:41:26    Councilman Lombardi. Councilman Ralph. Yes. Councilman Aaron. Yes. Council president Shaw.  
Speaker 3     01:41:39    Yes. Thank you. Item number 13, please.  
Speaker 4     01:41:52    They're resolved by the township council Piscataway township, New Jersey, is that an ordinance entitled an ordinance consenting to the sale of the project from 800 Centennial urban renewal LLC, to T a Centennial urban renewal LLC, and authorizing the execution of a consent to assignment and assignment and assumption of the financial agreement among the township of Piscataway 800 Centennial avenue, urban renewal, LLC, NTA, Centennial, urban renewal LLC being is hereby adopted on the first reading. That'd be published in the official newspaper. And then a second reading of public hearing will be held at 7:30 PM prevailing time at the Piscataway municipal building 4 55, who was willing to Skagway New Jersey as well as by telephonic conference on the 14th day of September, 2021. Your brothers off that a copy of this ordinance shall be posted in at least two public places within the township prior to the day of the second reading of final passage and a copy of this ordinance shall be made available at the office of the township clerk for any interested member of the public.  
Speaker 3     01:42:54    Thank you. Offer. Thank you. Second second, hon.  
Speaker 4     01:43:14    Councilman bowler.  
Speaker 3     01:43:16    Yes.  
Speaker 4     01:43:17    Councilman Cahill. Yeah. Councilman con  
Speaker 3     01:43:23    Yes.  
Speaker 4     01:43:25    Councilman Lombardi. Councilman Rouse. Councilman. Yes. Council president Shaw.  
Speaker 3     01:43:37    Yes. Thank you.   
Speaker 4     01:43:51    They're resolved by the township council, Piscataway township, New Jersey, then an ordinance entitled ordinance for the acquisition of rights away, easements and land in fee simple for the improvement of justice street, Ethel road, second avenue and Centennial avenue in Piscataway township county of Middlesex. State of New Jersey being is here by adopted on the first reading, that'd be published in the official newspaper and then a second meeting, um, and public hearing be held at 7:30 PM prevailing time at the Piscataway municipal building 4 55. Who's linked to scattering, New Jersey as well as by telephonic conference on the 14th day of September, 2021. The further resolved that a copy of this ordinance shall be posted in at least two public places within the township prior to the day of the second reading and final passage and a copy of this ordinance shall be made available at the office of the township clerk for any interested member of the public.  
Speaker 3     01:44:42    Thank you. Why all fuck  
Speaker 4     01:45:01    Councilman Bullard. Councilman Cahill.  
Speaker 3     01:45:08    Yes.  
Speaker 4     01:45:09    Councilman comm. Yes. Councilman Lombardi. Councilman Rouse.  
Speaker 3     01:45:17    Yes.  
Speaker 4     01:45:19    Councilman RN. Yes. Council president Shaw.  
Speaker 3     01:45:25    Yes. Thank you. At   
Speaker 4     01:45:34    They're resolved by the township council to Scotto township, New Jersey about an ordinance and titled ordinance authorizing execution of roadway, easement in connection with property located at 2 0 1 Centennial avenue and identified as block 6 7 0 2 lot 3.02 in the tangible Piscataway county of Middlesex Dayton, New Jersey for public purpose pursuant to N J S a 20 colon three dash one at deck B and is hereby adopted on the first reading, that'd be published in the official newspaper. And then a second reading of public hearing be held at 7:30 PM prevailing time at the Piscataway municipal building 4 55 Hosely and discover New Jersey as well as by telephonic conference on the 14th day of September, 2021, be it further resolved that a copy of this ordinance shall be posted in at least two public places within the township prior to the day of the second reading and final passage and a copy of this ordinance shall be made available at the office of the township clerk for any interested member of the public.  
Speaker 3     01:46:34    Thank you. Do I offer my offer?  
Speaker 4     01:47:00    Okay.  okay. We have councilmen routes with emotion motion. May I have a second please? Thank you. Councilman Boulevard. Councilman Cahill. Yeah. Councilman calm. Yes. Councilman Lombardi. Yes. Councilman Ross. Yes. Councilman RN. Yes. Council president shock. Yes.  
Speaker 3     01:47:47    Item number 16. Can you read the reservation please?  
Speaker 4     01:48:03    There was all by the township council, if this getaway tantric New Jersey that an ordinance entitled ordinance of the township of Piscataway county of Middlesex, New Jersey authorizing the execution of a financial agreement by and between the township and duke Realty circle drive urban renewal, LLC, pursuant to the long-term tax exemption law and J S a 48, colon 20 dash one at sec, and is hereby adopted on the first reading, that'll be published in the official newspaper. And then a second reading of public hearing be held at 7:30 PM. Prevailing time at the Piscataway municipal building 4 55, who is Lance has gotta be New Jersey as well as by telephonic conference on the 14th day of September, 2021, be it further resolved that a copy of this ordinance shall be posted in at least two public places within the township prior to the day of the second reading and final passage and a copy of this ordinance shall be made available at the office of the township clerk for any interested member of the public.  
Speaker 3     01:48:58    Thank you. Do I offer  
Speaker 4     01:49:06    Second Councilwoman K hill? Thank you, Councilman. Valard yes, yes. Can you hear me? Yes. It's a woman hill. Yes. Councilman con. Oh yes. Councilwoman Lombardi. Councilman Ross. Yes. Councilman yes. Council president shot. Yes.  
Speaker 3     01:50:03    Item number showing pain.  considered it in. Good. The consent agenda to be working on together. The material for this item has been distributed to the council and everyone. So the meeting at this time I'll get any item that council would like to remove from the consent agenda that will be discussed or work on separately. None we'll have it all for  
Speaker 2     01:50:40    All for counseling,  
Speaker 3     01:50:44    Ms.  one first and a second  
Speaker 4     01:51:00    Counsel, woman Cahill Counseling column.  
Speaker 3     01:51:07    Yes.  
Speaker 4     01:51:09    Council member. Bardy Councilman Rouse.  
Speaker 3     01:51:15    Yes.  
Speaker 4     01:51:17    Councilman Aaron.  
Speaker 3     01:51:19    Yes.  
Speaker 4     01:51:22    Council president shot.  
Speaker 3     01:51:23    Yes. Thank you. Okay. Item number 18. Announced pending comment from office show the larder. Any comment or, uh, announcement. Okay.  No,  
Speaker 2     01:51:51    Sorry. None at this time. Thank you, council president.  
Speaker 3     01:51:55    Thank you, Mr. Khan. I have no comments. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. . Thank you nothing  
Speaker 6     01:52:11    At this time.  
Speaker 3     01:52:13    Thank you. Nothing. After starting council president, uh, may have ran over.  
Speaker 6     01:52:25    Thank you, council president. I just want to acknowledge my condolences. Go out to the Zulo family. Um, Dr. Zulo was a longstanding, uh, physician here in the Middlesex county well-known doctor. Um, has several family members that lived in Piscataway, um, as the loss will be greatly missed, uh, because he, a lot of patients and taught over at UMD, M J at the, at that time. So, um, but, and my condolences again to the Zola family.  
Speaker 3     01:52:55    Thank you. Ma'am uh  thank you. Thank you.  no comment. Thank you. I heard one and I spent only that, uh, Sunday, September 5th at fireworks at 8:30 PM. Thank you. Okay. Item number 19. And your nurses said post September 14th, 2021, Ariana and second reading amending chapter seven, traffic section 7 29 we'd block crosswalk open to the public was Allison adipic audience. Any question? All my door question. Thanks, Oriana. Second learning consenting to the sale of the project from 800 cent meal or wonder you went there and, uh, renewal LLC to PSN nail and LCN authorizing to actually consent to his assignment, assignment and exemption of financing agreement amount, 817 under the new world, LLC, PA consult Centennial urban renewal in your LLC. And the township is open to the public. There's you listen, adopting ordinance, any comment or question non ordinary, second building  please pull up the, for the improvement of justice, it tells your second year, when you went to Centinela, when you opened to the public resolution adopting ordinance, any comment or question none ordinance secondary authorizing exclusion of roadway is meant in connection with property located at one centimeter. When you block 6, 7 0 2 there's load 3.02 open to public reservation, adopting ordinance, any comment or question and none ordinance secondary authorizing exclusion of financial agreement between the township of preschooler and nuclear circle drive urban renewal adults. You open to public adopting on this and you comment or question motion to accept the report of Clark county in July and August, 2021 second, one motion except report of division of revenue of 20, 21 and month and most Sunday Syrian entered in the minute. This is by men for the month of August, 2021. Any comment or question?  
Speaker 3     01:56:08    Thank you. Okay. I can tell number 20 open to the public. If you wish to speak at this time, please press star nine to raise your hand. When it is your turn to speak, you will hear it announce Brent that you have been unmuted at that time. Please state your name and address, and you know that you have two minutes in which to make your comments, the counselor Edmiston respond. If necessary after you have completed any comment or question  
Speaker 7     01:56:49    It tells the president. If I may just make comment, um, this is the type of attorney, um, just wanted to clarify. I think there's a misunderstanding from, um, some of the callers that, um, the councils blocking or voting against the petition. So I just want to make it clear that that's incorrect, um, that, that the public now that public hearings have been completed, that the two petitions are going on the ballot in November that no, the council, uh, the no council action needs to be made in order to put those, um, questions on the ballot. Um, and as, uh, as the council is not taking action today, that will occur  
Speaker 4     01:57:33    Council president I'm unmuting the first individual with their hand raised 7 6 0 4. Please unmute yourself. Thank you.  
Speaker 9     01:57:46    Good evening. It's baker burger, 2 33 Ellis Parkway. Raj, that may be true that the council's doesn't have to take action, but the council could, they could adopt the ordinance themselves tonight. And then that was so a lot of our problems, because if people would just know what is happening in our community, um, I would like to know from Mr. Gerber or whoever else might be familiar since everyone seems to have done a lot of due diligence on this matter, what the statutory citation is that allows the township to either a binding or non-binding referendum on the ballot. And if you could clarify whether the question is a public question that is binding or is non-binding, and that is the entirety of my comments. So you can have my time back for someone else,  
Speaker 7     01:58:34    Ms. Berger, the statute is, and just say 19 call and 37 dash one. And it's a nonbinding question. I think that should both  
Speaker 14    01:58:41    Your questions and good  
Speaker 4     01:58:47    Temple president I'm unmuting the next individual with their hand raised that's 4, 3, 1 6 7, please unmute yourself.  
Speaker 14    01:59:01    Yes. Well, can hear me not Phillips 11 or Canterbury court, um, talking in regards to the, uh, EMS, um, resolution that, uh, is up, um, back in August 13th, 1986, uh, president Reagan stated, um, the most nine terrifying words in English language or, um, from the government. And I'm here to help. Let me just tell you I'm terrified of the saddlery township government. Uh, first of all, just in this meeting tonight, the council president doesn't even seem to know the proper order of a meeting and he'd been collected numerous times. Um, so I think that's a joke. That's number one, number two, his attitude towards the taxpayers of the town, which by the way, are all of your bosses, um, is atrocious. Um, so I'd like to make that known, but in regards to the, to the EMS portion itself, I think that it's also horrible that there is nobody overseeing, uh, EMS to make sure that it is the best that could be served in staff.  
Speaker 14    02:00:07    Instead of we just hand off contracts to, uh, you know, whoever bids, Robert Woodard, JFK, whomever, I can just let them have free reign and not have any oversight. I also think that the joke that we have a self-proclaimed, um, public safety director that only made himself that, so he gets a cool little car with licensed sirens and his own radio call sign like Adam one, um, who has no, absolutely no education or experience in fire, EMS police, anything. So there's no right to be in that position on the fact that abuse power. Um, and I think that it's common sense as there needs to be some oversight for EMS. I also think it's horrifying that you guys just took it upon yourself to send out a RFP to take over 24, 7 coverage and not, you know, at least reach out to the township, the existing township, EMS departments, first one of which is taxpayer funded, um, and discuss with them what they would like to see what they would like to do, how, how, how they can help, um, and what they can offer.  
Speaker 14    02:01:10    Um, but then again, this is no nothing new with, uh, our current mayor, um, because he's always tried to undermine the volunteer departments and the volunteers of disorganized of this town, um, most, most, mostly. So the EMS departments, cause you know, his son's on the fire department, he won't undermine them. Um, but we can't forget when he tried to stand district two fire company after home's Marshall, buyer's gonna be burned down. So that's always interesting, but anyway, getting back to EMS, I don't think we need better oversight and I think we need to do a public record as well. Um, so that's all I have to say.  
Speaker 8     02:01:45    Thank you.  
Speaker 4     02:01:54    That's the president, I'm asking the next individual with their hand raised to unmute themselves 2 7, 7 1, please on mute yourself. Thank you.  
Speaker 8     02:02:05    Thank you, Ms. Cedar. I greatly appreciate it. Evan. Shugar see again, honestly, at this point, I don't know what address to give. Um, I don't know if I want to talk as a resident or the chief officer, I guess take the comps as they apply. Uh, hopefully they don't get misconstrued. Um, I would greatly appreciate an answer as to where the $643,000 ago in order to support four meetings a year, I'm still at a loss on that. I do appreciate the time to speak earlier. Um, uh, council president stated that, uh, an answer would be given if needed. I believe this requires an answer that aside there's due diligence, there there's, um, so many different clauses out there. What are in promulgated law, whether it be CFR, whether it be or a code of federal regulations, whether it be a New Jersey state, um, statute, uh, whether it be just a local residents.  
Speaker 8     02:02:54    Um, there is a general duty causes things on the such. If someone came to you and told you they had an issue logging into this call, there are issues with technology. Uh, it does happen. I appreciate the ability to talk. I do not appreciate the fact that people came after myself, residents, people, apparently there are volunteers as well within the town and they were yelled at by the council president and told they can't speak. It would have been very simple to just figure out between eight or nine and then move forward. There was obviously an issue and you set a precedent by allowing two people to speak in a row. Um, I just, I just don't understand if I went to work and I did something like this, I would be in a world of hurt. Um, because there, there are statutes and laws that govern what I do and I would be, it doesn't matter.  
Speaker 8     02:03:40    Um, it's very, very upsetting. So again, $643,000. I don't, I don't understand. Um, and I would really just like some enlightenment, you know, maybe there's something I just don't know about because this does not create any new positions that don't already exist. It's it's literally just the meeting and I can speak on behalf of river road. So this is a chief's hat right here. We would love to work with JFK. Um, they have a lot to offer and they've offered things over time that the previous contractor never did. So we, we really do look forward to working with them and we look forward to hopefully taking care, taking advantage rather of this venue to speak and, um, speak with our peers as well and to move forward. Uh, that's, that's really all. I have $643,000. If someone can explain to me how that's divvied off, even in a gross way, I greatly appreciate the time.  
Speaker 7     02:04:41    Thank you.  
Speaker 4     02:04:46    I'm president I'm unmuting the next individual with their hand raised. Please unmute yourself. Thank you.  
Speaker 19    02:04:58    I thank you. Um, so he won't pull president of river road. I am also just curious as to where the 643,000, um, number coming from. And I would appreciate an answer.  
Speaker 7     02:05:20    Thank you. And this is an attorney again, um, that document will be operable, um, shortly. So, um, you know, I would be we'll see those calculations. Yeah. Um, that'd be calculated by the atonic professionals.  
Speaker 4     02:05:42    I'm the president. I'm asking the next individual with their hand raised to unmute themselves three to four eight to the mute yourself. Thank you.  
Speaker 20    02:05:59    Good evening. This is Dr. Tom Connors, 34 year resident of Piscataway. And I reside my family at 10 Seward avenue. I want to thank the township council for all your service or town on the topic of broadcasting meetings and being transparent, whether it's item seven or item 17 F F I feel that there's a lot of confusion in our town about what people are after me. It's pretty simple. People are, uh, they want, uh, open lines of communication with the people that they elected as their, uh, public officials. They want open communication with you, Jim, you Frank Gabrielle and Michelle. Steve, congratulations, Mr. Rouse, you Brian. And, uh, you could appeal, um, tonight it seemed the had lots of discussions on these items, 17 Fs. And before we discussed item seven, the table ordinance me that the cart was put a little bit before the horse, but, uh, the resolution 17 FF authorizes a public question for 2021 November general election ballot with a cost proposal.  
Speaker 20    02:07:31    That and reading from what I heard it, it creates it's going to create fear. It's going to cost taxpayers money to broadcast these meetings, whether it be $500,000, whatever the figure was. My question is, and this is not to, to, to, to, to, to poke at anybody, but I've been here 30, 40 years. And my question is, how much does PCTV program? I am Piscataway already cost the taxpayers. You know, why can't you broadcast council meetings and afford the same tax paper allocation for that program for broadcasting your meetings, um, $80 million and so half a million and it's a half a million that's 0.6%. I think it be pretty fiscally responsible when people can live with that. Uh, just think about it when you go after this meeting. And it seems like it's already a foregone conclusion that it's just going to go straight to the November ballot as question, but being fiscal responsibility. No, Mr. Connor. All right. Well, the last, lastly, it's just what people want is open lines of communication and, uh, that's it. Thank you.  
Speaker 12    02:08:51    Thank you, Mr. Gunn.  
Speaker 4     02:09:00    I, the president I'm asking the next individual with their hand raised to unmute themselves. I'm 6, 9, 7, please. I'm here yourself. Thank you  
Speaker 12    02:09:13    Evening. Once again for Al's crowd Advil on May 15th, 2018, Piscataway police officer Todd Ritter pleaded guilty to falsifying public records. It's three days later, hundreds, if not thousands of Piscataway police department records were taken ransom in a cyber attack, and many were never recovered. I brought this up now three council meetings ago, and your attorney told me to take that discussion offline and offline. He told me a bunch of stuff that wasn't true. He told me that all requested records had been recovered, but at the same time, I was having conversations with the Piscataway police department, specifically Sandra Wiley, the office manager. She told me on June 17th, quote, the PPD did suffer a ransomware attack. And to my knowledge, a small percentage of records were able to be retrieved and others not at this point in time, the PPD does not expect to have any of the missing M VA's retrieved, meaning motor vehicle accident, crash reports.  
Speaker 12    02:10:27    Um, this is in response to an Oprah request that I had made. And, uh, you know, when I started to interrogate and question the disconnect between what the police were telling me and what your counsel told me, your counsel shut down and stopped answering questions altogether. The public deserves way, way better than this. Uh, we deserve answers about this cyber attack and just how many records you lost forever, still being held for ransom more than three years later. It's my understanding. It's 15 months worth of worth of records that were taken ransom due to the township's poor cyber security and lack of proper backup procedures. Can we hear from the public safety director who many people might not know is also the mayor, Brian Waller throughout all of our discussions at the council. He hasn't said a word about this. When are the people at Piscataway and the people of Middlesex county going to hear from this double-dipping public official about how a cyber attack happened on his watch?  
Speaker 12    02:11:38    He's the director of public safety, and he has not answered for this there's concerns about, uh, prosecutions, whether or not chain of custody, uh, uh, was part of the records that were, uh, that vanished. And I think there's real questions about one second blast. And there's real connection questions about whether this is connected to that crooked cop Todd Ritter, who not only falsified records, but also assaulted someone and lost his job over it, and pleaded guilty to a crime mayor wall, or do your job speak up and answer the questions about this devastating cyber attack and what it's done to Piscataway and the police department we deserve to hear from you on this.  
Speaker 7     02:12:21    Um, this is the time of attorneys. I request the administration and council not to make any comments. And they asked me, Mr. Credible was actually filed some litigation against the township in regard to this issue. Um, and as a pending litigation, I request the council and administration not to make any comments. Um, uh, I w I will say just simply, and I don't want to go into it because of pending litigation that, that some of Mr credible statements, um, are inaccurate, um, at best. Thank you. Think about  
Speaker 4     02:12:51    Probably president. I'm asking the next individual with their hand raised to unmute themselves 1 6, 4, 6, please unmute yourself. Thank you.  
Speaker 18    02:13:02    Hello. Uh, once again, this is Daniel president of the middle rescue squad. Um, I would like to say that listening in on this meeting, uh, being a single father, looking for a house in Piscataway, this is actually an eye-opener. The talent council is unorganized, very unprofessional. And I may not be looking to look for a house in the township anymore. Unfortunately, if this is how you treat your residents regarding the, uh, order number eight, uh, item number eight, my apologies. There's been multiple requests for someone to respond to. Do you have an EMS coordinator? Where are you getting the money from? And there has been zilch nada. I find that egregious, I find that unprofessional, if the council can not provide what the people are asking since they, so it's not a problem, nobody's going to hold you really that much accountable. We would like to know the transparency.  
Speaker 18    02:14:01    That's all they're asking. That is literally it. They want to know where do you stand on this issue? What is the progress? It progress is being made. You have made zero attempts at satisfied that, that hunger for knowledge. So you have angry residents, and then you want to sit up here and I'm going to call out the council president be quite disrespectful. I'm sorry, but if that's the sway me to become a voter in your next election, congratulations, I wouldn't be voting for any, um, I'm the township of the Netherlands rescue squad president. My name is Daniel. I yield my time. Thank you,  
Speaker 4     02:14:48    Council president. I'm asking you the next individual with their hand raised to unmute themselves 3 8, 6, please unmute yourself. Thank you.  
Speaker 13    02:15:05    Hi, this is Jessica  1247 Brookside road again. Uh, can you guys hear me?  
Speaker 4     02:15:12    Yes. Thank you.  
Speaker 13    02:15:14    I just wanted to, uh, speak on the, uh, the council president cutting off the people who were interested to speak on, on the item agenda item number, item eight. Um, when there was clearly a technical error, when multiple people said that they had been attempting to call in and speak on the issue, it was a public, uh, it was a petition submitted, so it's more likely people are interested to speak on that. And for the council president to allow two people to speak and then start yelling at people who were interested to speak after that, who claim to have the same technical error? I think it's really inappropriate. And I wanted to add, I don't know if you all realized we had 30, 45 seconds, maybe a minute of extremely loud feedback noise is to and from occurring from the, um, the, the counselors, the people who cannot be muted by the public shows a level of technical expertise that would expect there might be an error. And to allow those people who were claiming that there was an error and that they were disallowed from on an issue that they were passionate enough about to go out and have people sign a petition. I think it's really, really rude. And you're saying that you're okay with transparency. You want transparency, you have nothing to hide.  
Speaker 13    02:16:43    I think it's really, really unfortunate. And it's not a good luck, honestly, if you're trying to say that we're bullying you, you yelling at people and not letting them speak because of a technical error committed most likely on your behalf. I really like, I don't know what to say about, so I just want to say that, um, it would be really nice to have an answer to that question that all of those AMS people who work really hard and volunteer on our behalf want to know the answer to where did you come up with $643,000. And also you lost all of our police records. If you could work on that too. I know it's a subject of litigation only because you're not being transparent about it. If you were being transparent, we would know the answer and no one would have to see you. So thanks so much. Have a great evening.  
Speaker 17    02:17:37    Thank you, Jessica  
Speaker 4     02:17:45    Uncle president, I'm asking the next individual with their hand raised to unmute themselves last four digits  
Speaker 2     02:17:52    1 8 8 8 1 8 8 8.  
Speaker 4     02:18:13    Can you please unmute yourself?  
Speaker 17    02:18:27    Hello? Can you hear me?  
Speaker 4     02:18:28    Yes, I can hear you now. Thank you.  
Speaker 17    02:18:30    Yeah, good evening. Sorry about that. Uh, my name is Darrell Williams. I'm at 57. Will they drive? And I just wanted to comment on, uh, number seven, which was I wanted to build off or piggyback off what adopter Connor were saying earlier. You know, as a resident, I just want access. I want access to our council members. And I think that it's unfortunate that we needed a petition to get this, uh, this, this subject of just moving these meetings to zoom video, uh, forward. Uh, although the petition may have not been perfect. It seems like everybody assumed that the scatter we TV portion of it must be where the bulk of that $500,000 costs, uh, resides. I'm assuming. So it seems as if that portion, the piece of Skagway TV portion of that petition will be used to sway the residence because that's what it costs.  
Speaker 17    02:19:21    So that's my, that's my, that's my comment. But again, it's just unfortunate that we have to go through all this, just to go to zoo. I, firstly, don't care to watch it on Piscataway TV. I would like to watch it on zoom, uh, and participate on zoom. And honestly, it'll be easier to raise my hand and unmute the phone. Uh, the question I have is do any of our council members host or offer any questions and answers a set of any sort of forum prior to these meetings so that we can talk to our council members prior to these meetings and figure out what's going on. And, and, and once our opinion prior to these, uh, these meetings  
Speaker 11    02:20:08    Counsel present, just to clarify, I think every council president has a published telephone number. Um, also our addresses are published too. So, um, there is accessibility that way to the public via phone, um, also written letter to, but I know most people use phones nowadays.  
Speaker 15    02:20:34    Yes, this is council woman Lombardi. Um, we are all available by phone. I feel several calls per week. I'm speaking with residents on various issues and, um, have no problem whatsoever. Um, getting back to any of the residents on any of the issues.  
Speaker 21    02:20:55    Yeah, this is Councilman R and I also deal with them a lot of residents during the week with phone calls and our numbers are all listed on a website too.  
Speaker 17    02:21:08    I'm president, I'm asking the next individual with their hand raised 20th and south.  
Speaker 10    02:21:17    Uh, hello, Brian rag, 1247 Brookside road as usual. I haven't moved. Um, so I mean to address that, does the council have email addresses? Do they respond to emails? Like I don't always have time to pick up the phone and have a 15 minute conversation with someone during business hours. I mean, I think, I think that's kind of ridiculous to say, oh, you can call us, but we're in the year 2021, but you can't email us on that note. I was wondering if the town had any plans to upgrade off of a Microsoft exchange 2007, that's currently 14 years old has been end of life for over four years. At this point, I, I don't know what kind of software you're running, but most of my software needs security updates more than once every four years. Um, maybe that's why you got ransomwared. I really don't know.  
Speaker 10    02:22:08    Um, I was wondering if you could address the cost of enforcing the parking laws on private property. Mr. Gummer tried to sidestep that by talking about what kind of laws wouldn't, wouldn't be enforced, but nobody said, Hey, it's going to cost us X thousand dollars to do this, but you are all over talking about those costs for transparency and broadcasting public meetings. Um, I would ask that the council president actually stick to the agenda this time and not allow the mayor, his unofficial rant after the public section. I know that's usually how it goes, but I don't see it on the agenda. And he was very focused on the agenda earlier. Uh, let's see.  
Speaker 10    02:22:48    So if we lost 15 months of police records, that's 0.4% of the police budget, but we're concerned about the cost that it will cost half a million dollars to broadcast the meetings. So the police department this year has a budget of $12 million. The cost of broadcast the meetings is I'm sorry. I misspoke earlier the cost of the, to broadcast the meetings versus the police budget is 0.4% of police budget. So I don't know, maybe a better use of our time will be broadcasting the meetings rather than paying the police to do reports that we got lost. And, um, um, I was wondering if the town had also updated their best practices questions to the state. I know they said they were going to, I never heard back from that. Uh, I also note that we have not had a anti-nepotism policy listed on the agenda since then.  
Speaker 10    02:23:45    So apparently we've just decided that having it in the handbook is fine and we don't actually need an ordinance on that. I mean, I would think that would be a pretty straightforward thing if the state's asking for the towns to have anti-nepotism ordinances, but we haven't managed to do that. That seems kind of ridiculous to me. And then I was wondering if you could elaborate on which of Charlie Credible's comments were incorrect because I mean, you made the statement that some of them were incorrect, so by my clock. Yeah, that's right. Uh, yeah, I'd be curious to know which of Charlie Prattville statements were incorrect. That's it? Thanks.  
Speaker 7     02:24:20    Thank you, Mr.  attorney because of the pending litigation and, and that encompasses, um, you know, those issues, you know, I'm not going to make that statement, um, and go into detail about that. Thank you,  
Speaker 4     02:24:43    Council president, I'm asking the next individual with their hand raised to unmute themselves 0 4 0 8. Please unmute yourself. Thank you.  
Speaker 16    02:24:55    Hi, my name is Gabrielle core through 202nd street. I'm the vice president of non rescue squad. And I want to start with a opening comment of I'm not impressed by this council and I'm not impressed by the way. It has represented the people that sat away. Am I impressed by the manner is used towards the past tax paying residents. I want to follow up with another comment regarding item number eight, which concludes that the volunteers of river rescue squad take on the noble EMS. Cause it wasn't very hard and sacrifice their time and energy towards serving the community of . And I also want to have a followup question concerning item number eight, which is, uh, where is the $640,000 going? And I was told that there was going to be a document, but I want to know where, and when that document is going to be accessible, thank you.  
Speaker 7     02:25:50    As the council passed the resolution, that's based on the document, uh, it should potentially be operable tomorrow. Um, once it, uh, once the final form is issued,  
Speaker 4     02:26:08    I'm the president I'm asking the next individual with their hand raised to unmute themselves, State your name and address. There seems to be a lot of status. Get your name and address. There seems to be a lot of static on your line, but I just don't know if you can hear us, but we cannot hear you. Council president. There are no other individuals with their hands raised.  
Speaker 3     02:27:31    Thank you. So I'm closing the public portion at this time.  
Speaker 6     02:27:41    Thank you council prize there. I thought it was very interesting tonight that about 90% of the folks that called in Raul tied in with the progressive club here in town. They've either run for office before, or are currently running for office or one-on-one for office. Um, you know, the council and myself go to great lengths to make sure the talent government is run financially fiscally. Correct. And you don't get to play plus community by in pores audit by not watching over the dollar and cents. We have a great community here. We have programming, seniors who are nationally recognized by ARP. We have a great recreational program. Uh, we're improving the infrastructure of our community as we should. Uh, we built a wonderful community center with no impact on the tech taxpayers, and we're continuing to move forward and bringing jobs into our community and making our town physically, physically stable.  
Speaker 6     02:29:02    Unlike some of the other communities during the pandemic, notably Bridgewater, next door, we're going to bond out property expenses. So I find it interesting that with these two referendums that are being proposed by the progressive, that they don't want to let the residents know what the potential cost is of it. Now, this is the same group of folks, Stacy Berger, Tom Connors, bill Herman, Ralph Johnson, um, whoever else in the cannabis run for office, all promoted the energy, energy aggregation. Um, the last go around 2019 saying the rate payers are going to save an awful lot of money. If we go this route and to Mr. Credible argument, who now is a lobbyists for food and water watch tied in with Mrs. Berger, who's a high density lobbyists out of Trenton. The only debacle here was the debacle of the aggregation referendum. You hoodwinked the township residents about approximately two thirds of the residents have opted out of the aggregation because they've seen their, their bills skyrocket skyrocket because you're, you're in competency.  
Speaker 6     02:30:24    And so it's in the interest of the council members to make sure that the residents know the impact of a referendum that is being promoted by these folks. We do have a cap expenditure that 565 towns in the state of New Jersey have to abide by including all 21 counties. So simple math. If it's over the cap, you have to cut something. That's the bottom line you could check with any finance officer in the state of New Jersey DCA. This is not being made up. And I think it's disingenuous of the 90%. We're on a call tonight to suggest that the town government is not looking at the finances. Again, we have a AA plus stable town rated. There's probably maybe three dozen counts tire state in New Jersey that have that rating financially. And that is because of the great stewardship of the township council members and the finance department and myself.  
Speaker 6     02:31:38    And as far as the one gentleman attacking my son because of the volunteer firemen, listen, we have six skin in the wall or family I'm used to Stacy Berger and the Progressive's attacking my wife. As a matter of fact, Tom Connors attacked her verbally factor at the 4th of July parade when she was standing, talking to somebody on their lawn and to Mr.  with the complex, I think his nickname is conflict credible. I don't know which, which has he, is he wearing a lobbyists hat? Is he wearing the reporter hat? Is he, is he wearing a party leader? Hat? Is he wearing the candidate hat? So that is the gentlemen. I mean, you know, it's just, they, they, they attack my, all my children, which is fine. There used to be back cause it's part of the game. It's fair game. It's called free speech. They didn't even attack my two labs, Duncan and calf.  
Speaker 6     02:32:38    And it was awesome. Now are griping because I replaced my 40 year old driveway. So it's very disingenuous when these folks get on here in harangue, the council members in and out, all I can say is that you have big skin. It goes with the territory being an elected official. But you know what, when we go to point out the inaccuracy of what you say, all of you go crazy about, we're not, we're not allowed to voice our opinion. Our opinion does count. We're not allowed anything that's incorrect. And to the gentlemen who live in Allen, we paid substantially less taxes than you do. I'll take our tax rates any day of the year, over the road to Ellen. As a matter of fact, the prior mayor wants to merge Janell and back into Piscataway because of the tax savings. So I respectfully disagree with his assessment of the scattering township.  
Speaker 6     02:33:42    We have a fine community in here. We have a lot of people really take heart to serve community. And I think it's downright discussing sometimes that somebody's folks who are running for office are basically either attacking me please, or attacking the volunteers. You know, we're, we're expected as officials to be, have our slung at us for good or bad, but not to the volunteers. I'm sorry. I, I just totally disagree with that. As a matter of fact, I think during the last election, both during the primary and the general election, overwhelming by three to one, the residents 70% voted in 70% reelected, Cahill, Shaw, Emma collum, and myself because they appreciate the dedication that we do for the township residents. And it's several of the council members said tonight, we're always available, always accessible. And we feel a lot of calls see people throughout the community. And you know what, no matter what you say, we do have a Greg great township. It's just like, you just don't like living here. That's the bottom line. So with that council president, I want to wish everybody a balanced to the August, enjoy the rest of the weather. And as council president Charles said, we looked forward to seeing the fireworks and hopefully the pandemic will do any worse and impact that. So thank you, council, president,  
Speaker 3     02:35:35    And pay with the eye. Alright, thank you with the agent. Thank you.  
Speaker 6     02:35:50    Goodbye.