Transcript for Piscataway Council meeting on February 27 2018


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Speaker 0     00:00:01    Are there any comments from the administration council regarding adjournment of any matters on this agenda? Item number six, which is open to the public. Are there any comments from the public of this regarding item number nine items? Item number seven is in ordinance on second to extend municipal budget appropriation and establish the cap bank, which is open to cover. Ms. Sea, can you please read the ordinance be resolved by the Township Council? Theca Township of New Jersey that an ordinance entitled calendar year 2018 Ordinance to exceed the municipal budget appropriation loans to establish a cap bank NJSA 48 4 dash 45.14 was introduced on the sixth day of February, 2018 and had passed the first reading and was published on the 10th day of February, 2018. Now therefore be it resolved that the after ordinance having had a second reading on February 27th, 2018 be adopted, passed, and after passage be published together with the notice of the date of passenger approval in the official. Be further resolved that this ordinance shall be signed under 18 dash four. Are there any comments? Witness motion? Second. Second. Mr. Buller? Yes. Mrs. Caho? Yes. Mr. Kahan? Yes. Mrs. Lombardi? Yes. Mr. Haw? Yes. Mr. Hard. Mr. McComb? Yes. Thank you. Item number eight in ordinance on first meeting 11. Chapter two, administration Section two dash six. Council meetings. Ms. Please.  
Speaker 0     00:01:33    Ordinance. Ordinance and Settle Ordinance to amend and supplement the revised general ordinances of the Contra Piscataway County of Middlesex, state of New Jersey amending chapter two administration. Section six, council meetings being is hereby adopted on the first reading that it be published in the official newspaper. And that a second reading in public hearing be held at 7:30 PM prevailing time at the Piscataway Municipal Building 4 55 Rose Lane, Piscataway, New Jersey on the 13th day of March, 2018. Be further resolved that a copy of this ordinance shall be posted in at least two public places within the Township prior to the day of the second reading and final passage. And a copy of this ordinance shall be made available at the office of the Township clerk for any interested member of the public. Thank you. Ms. Do have a motion? I motion. Second. Second. Ms, can you please call the roll? Mr. Bullard? Yes. Mrs. Cato? Yes. Mr. Cahn? Yes. Mrs. Lombardi? Yes. Mr. Haw? Yes. Mr. Rin? Yes. Mrs. McCollum? Yes. Ms. Item on first reading item number nine. These are the consent agenda items where efficiency items have been consolidated into the consent agenda to be voted on together. The materials for these items have been distributed to the council in advance of the meeting at this time. Are there any items that the council would like removed from the consent agenda to be discussed or voted on separately?  
Speaker 0     00:02:50    Do I have a motion? Motion Second Ms. Can you please move Bullard? Yes. Mr. Yes. Mr. Ka? Yes. Mrs. Lombardi? Yes. Mr. Ra? Yes. Mr. Arm? Yes. Mrs. McCall? Yes. Thank you. Item number 10. Are there any announcements and comments on these officials at this time? Mr. Bullard?  
Speaker 1     00:03:10    Yes. Just a quick one. I just wanted to let you know that next week we're going to celebrate the Chinese New Year, the spring festival. And unless I don't know how many of you know it, but it is the, the year of the dog. So anyway, we'll be talking a lot about who, what, when, how. So if any of you can come over there and senior you soon, we'd be more than happy to have you. And it starts at 10 o'clock, 11 o'clock. I'm sorry. And AMS at one.  
Speaker 0     00:03:41    Thank you. Councilman. Gabriel? None at this time. Thank you. Councilman. Cahn.  
Speaker 0     00:03:52    I would like to President of the council. Very happy birthday. I didn't want, you always wish everybody, so I didn't want that to go under the radar. Just thank you. So a happy birthday. Thank you. And I also want to state that we had a very successful town hall meeting here last week regarding the Piscataway ecological part of which it may change names, but it was a nice group of people with very positive dialogue and very great interesting comments and ideas. So I want to thank those people that came out and we hope to do it again. Thank you Councilman. Thanks Councilman. Frank. No problem. Our Business Administrator team Council. No comment. Thank you. I would just like to add to Councilman Lombardi's comment. If you have any ideas for the names of the name of the park that you would like, please feel free to let us know because we're looking for a good name. Okay. At this time we'd like to open the floor to the public. Please come to the podium. Please state your name and address and you have three minutes wish to speak.  
Speaker 2     00:05:09    Good evening. Bill Irwin 2 33 El Parkway. Mr. First of all, I'd like to thank and commend the council for their efforts in updating the parts of the OR ordinance that pertain to videotaping the meeting. I think it's a terrific step, you know, providing open and transparent government to the citizens of the SCA way. So thank you for doing that. We look forward to giving a good look and seeing it on the second reading. I did have one quick question regarding the audits. Last meeting I asked where I could find the 2016 audit and you very Kinneally directed me to the Township website. So I went Wednesday morning and found, not only was the 16 audit there, but all the audits back to 2004 were there with the exception of 2007, which was missing for whatever reason. And I was like, wow, that's great. You know, it was really like terrific to have all that information in one place. So I made, I was kind of busy. I made a note to check back the next day, so I went back Thursday morning and all the audits from 2004 through 2013 were no longer there. So I was just kind of wondering what happened to that.  
Speaker 1     00:06:15    Were leading cleaning up, obviously, you know, we're, we're making some changes to the website and the state DCA requires us to have the last three years of audits, budgets, et cetera on there. So we've taken anything prior to that off that we're not required to have on if you still like, certainly get it through a, either no request or come into the Department of Finance to see it.  
Speaker 2     00:06:37    Sure. I mean, I understand that you're not required to have more than three years, but like you had 'em there, you had, you had done such a good job. Like why, why, why have someone take the effort to take them down? Like that doesn't make any sense. Like they were, if  
Speaker 1     00:06:50    I may, one of the things doing right now is actually making the, the website and so forth more efficient and sometimes when you have too much information out there, it's not the right way. So we're trying to make it as efficient as possible.  
Speaker 2     00:07:07    Understood. I get you. I I, I just, I mean it wasn't one wouldn't have been difficult for me to wade through all the other ones to find 2000. Like it was efficient, it was good. It was, it was perfect.  
Speaker 0     00:07:17    So if there's something,  
Speaker 2     00:07:18    So I'm just wondering if we can put 'em back up there.  
Speaker 0     00:07:20    So it, it sounds like, I think based on what our Business Administrator stated that they're cleaning up so it probably won't happen. If there's something that you need, you're more than willing to put in an open request and we'll be treated for you. Okay, thank you. Anyone else? If you have a comment or question at this time, please come to the podium. State your name and address.  
Speaker 3     00:07:42    Oh, my name's Joseph Rosenberg, 81 Williams Avenue Rosenberg.  
Speaker 3     00:07:48    I'm here tonight as the captain of the Arbor Rescue Squad in Piscataway. I'm a second generation volunteer in this town as well as going to my 14th year as being an EMT for this town. Thank you. Thank you very much. There was a topic brought up about six months ago with some of the town council present and I feel it's not been resolved or even made any progress and it's the topic of the rescue squads covering each other. It was never an issue in the past. The past few years though, it has become and more of an issue nowadays. It allowed us to have stronger bonds because we worked, we had each other's back, we got to meet each other more often. We also gave the public quicker access to medical care when, when it was on a call or if somebody else was out service for whatever reason.  
Speaker 3     00:08:35    But now we're calling out of town and resources and they're usually much farther away than an in town resources, which might be just sitting at their building. And we really want to go back to the way it used to be and we were able to do it efficiently. And right now there's a policy as per the police department that doesn't allow for that to happen. But I believe for the township's own good, for the public's own good and the people that go through our town, it should be reinstated that we cover our own selves use in town resources. And this is as per a statement put in writing and signed by the Mayor of town. And also it's really hard for our members to gain experience, to exercise their skills that they spend so many hours in class and they're being wasted by not responding to calls that are going around in town. So that's what we are here tonight. We just really would like some kind of discussion moving towards that goal. That's really what's important to us.  
Speaker 4     00:09:46    I was at that meeting. Sure. I was at that meeting and there's been a couple of other meetings and I got some information on that today, at least from my loan perspective. I, I would like to reconvene that the group that we had that time maybe talk about those issues. I didn't think Arbor had an issue. I didn't think you guys had an issue going out on mutual aid. The issue is more mutual aid responses into our, but I would, I'm gonna talk to the Administrator and, and the chief, I mean place chief and maybe we can sit down and talk about those issues again. There's more than there's a couple of different issues.  
Speaker 3     00:10:27    Oh yeah,  
Speaker 4     00:10:28    Absolutely understand. But that one I, I understand clearly.  
Speaker 3     00:10:32    Oh no, absolutely. And it's a collective thing. It's not just us or Ella, it's everyone. 'cause I have members that would love to get more calls too. Even the nights that we are in the service. Right. Counsel and  
Speaker 0     00:10:43    Lobar with like make the comments on. Yeah, I'm def definitely gonna comment on this because I have been following this along also. This problem is multifaceted. There's a couple of problems I think that are, it's more than just one problem, but I am the biggest advocate for advocating for you. I know the training that you go through, I know what everybody has to put into it to get trained and the time and effort and if, if you're willing to put the time out to volunteer, then we have to figure out how to get the volunteers out there Being said that the backside of it is, is that we're having issues with some of the departments not being in service on a regular basis. Okay. And what we need is we need a notification from each department stating when you're going to be in service so that they can have it up at the dispatch office.  
Speaker 0     00:11:42    So I I'm hearing that they have not received updated list regarding who's in service and who's not. I don't think it's an issue of use could just cover for each other. I think that dispatch has to be aware of who is and isn't in service at a given time. I think it's only fair that dispatch knows that. Okay. Okay. You can't just go amongst yourselves and cover for each other. So I think we need to come up with a formal list of who is in service and out of service on what days and times. And I think that we can sit down and I think that we have no problem in getting that straightened out because as I say, if you have the time to take it to become a volunteer and get all of your emergency certifications that we should be calling you. And we, we definitely believe in that.  
Speaker 0     00:12:31    But like I said, there are times when I know certain departments are not in service on a regular basis and the other ones will have to cover. So, but we need to have that written and at the dispatch. Okay. So we will figure out a time and a date where we can all sit down and hopefully everybody can come up with a formal list because I'm hearing that there are no formal lists. They've been asking for them and have it been submitted. That's, this is what I'm hearing. So we have to sit down and figure out a time where we can all get together to solve that. Okay.  
Speaker 3     00:13:05    I can say for my department at least, we do send a monthly calendar that does state our service. Which nights and which night's not.  
Speaker 4     00:13:14    Okay. It usually comes over the town. Harper or  
Speaker 4     00:13:18    I, I, I agree with Michelle. I meanand an issue from a firefighter perspective as well as a council perspective. My personal view is that we should be using in town resources primarily for mutual aid calls in both, in both fire and rescue. And, but I think there's some other issues that have floated into the discussion. So I would, I would and I've, there may be some conflicting views on how that's working. I would like to be in the room with a meeting again so that we can, I I can see where things have gone since the last time we spoke. My personal view is, is the same as yours. I I agree. If there's a call in the River Roads district and they're not in service or out on another call that somebody in town should be the primary person that we're using at night. Yes. That's my understanding of the protocol. But I, I want to Tim hear is hearing the discussion. Let's get, let's get the Administrator and the chief and the head of dispatch to the guy who had dispatchers there last time together and see if we can figure out what exactly the different issues are and resolved.  
Speaker 0     00:14:24    So Mr. Broberg, thank you for bringing it up and you'll hear from us. Alright, thank you very much. Are there any other comments or questions at this time? You please come to the podium, state your name and your address.  
Speaker 5     00:14:36    I really do appreciate it. Forgive me, I'm not public speaker, some nerd.  
Speaker 5     00:14:41    Good evening. My name is Shaki and I'm the chief of the River Road Rescue Squad. For the purpose of address, you may use our squad's rec address, which is 1 0 1 Shirley Parkway here in Piscataway. I'm here today to address the Town council, the Mayor and all others presiding over this meeting. In addition to the public, I would like to state facts. They're followed by questions that may be answered at the end of my presentation. I feel my concerns are just and have no and have direct impact on the lives of every citizen and visitor to our fine Township and that they can no longer go unanswered. On June 1st, 2017, Mayor and public safety director Brian Wahler signed a letter to be provided to New Jersey Department of Revenue, division of Fraud for River Road Rescue Squad's Medicaid provider application stating the following, the River Road Rescue Squad is the primary 9 1 1 EMS provider to the River Road area of Piscataway from 1800 to zero 600 hours seven days a week. The River Road Rescue squad, along with the Arbor and North Star and Rescue squads provide primary mutual aid to each other during these hours when they require resources beyond their capability.  
Speaker 5     00:15:44    The question for that is why it's not being followed. The next thing that I would like to bring up is on August 22nd, 2017, a meeting was held with the following present, discussing the previously stated policy and its lack of implementation. Among other items present was Ba Dacy Councilman Cahn Councilman Ern Councilman Public Safety Chair, Lombardi Police Chief Carmel Police Captain McLaughlin Police, Lieutenant Emergency Services Liaison, Moser Police Lead Dispatcher, cap Arbor Rescue Squad, captain Rosenberg, north Stelton, chief Lan North Stone EMS, captain Dieterman, myself and my deputy from River Monroe Rescue Squad, deputy Chief Ban. Why is this issue not been remedied in the more than six months that this has passed? Further, I'd like to state that on December 26th, 2017, Robert Wood Johnson Mobile Health Services was dispatched for a motor vehicle accident with a car into a house. At 360 2 Williams Street was reported on unconscious person on the ground.  
Speaker 5     00:16:41    The first two ambulance responded from Franklin Township and it took 15 minutes to arrive. The car in reality was found to have struck a pole and the patient was found indeed to be lying on the ground unconscious. On January 22nd, 2018, Robert Wood Johnson, MHS as Mobile Health Services, was dispatched to the area of West fourth Street, near Klein Place for an unknown traumatic arrest. The first two ambulance responded from Franklin Township and took at least 13 minutes to arrive. Our crew called dispatch called the dispatch desk and confirmed they knew that River Road and North Dawn had crews available in house. This call resulted in a death on February 20. On February 2nd, 2018, R-W-J-M-H-S responded to a cardiac arrest on New Brunswick Ave. At 0 4 29 hours, the responding ambulance was of unknown origins and took in excess excess of 15 minutes to arrive on scene. During this time, river Rescue had one crew staffed in house in North Stalin had not won. But two, this call ultimately resulted in a death. Is the town council aware there are residents lives or possibly be putting at risk due to this protocol?  
Speaker 5     00:17:50    The last thing that I'd really like to address is the, the scouting Township has a line item appropriation for first aid squads. This is how the appropriations read from fiscal years 2010 through 2017. And I'm really happy I looked this up previously because at that time those financial audits were still online. Year 2010 appropriated for first aid squads, $83,689 and 20 cents dispersed to the River Road Rescue Squad $21,675. Thank you very much. We appreciate the support. 2011 appropriated $94,800 dispersed against the River Road Rescue squad, our sheriff, $22,549. Thank you again for the support. 2011 in 2012, 94,800 appropriated 21,600. A little bit less, but still grateful for the support. 2013 94,800 Disbursed River Road. Nothing. 20 14, 90 4,800 appropriated Disbursed River Road. Nothing. 20 15, 90 6,000 it went up. Thank you. Disbursed River Road again. Nothing. 2016 94,800 went down. Not really sure why it went up that one year dispersed River Road, nothing.  
Speaker 5     00:19:07    2017 appropriated $100,000. Really went up, dispersed nothing. Why is this money not being dispersed as appropriated and collected? Why did the Township audits show funds being reserved for our use and being placed in reserve? These facts I have brought before you are legitimate and documentation can be provided upon request. The questions brought before you are repeated sentence. That's okay. The questions brought before you are legitimate and should not exist. The fact that this much time has lapsed and we have allowed our residents and visitors to possibly have unfortunate circumstances unduly is unacceptable. Our willingness to allow our emergency services to go unfunded is also unacceptable. The emergency services community of Piscataway Township openly invites any open dialogue to ensure that we move past our barriers and solve the issues in the media future, the ball's in your court. And we really do thank you for your time.  
Speaker 0     00:20:10    So before you leave, so I, you're the chief of River Road? Yes ma'am. But I couldn't get your last name.  
Speaker 5     00:20:15    Shaki  
Speaker 0     00:20:16    Shaki  
Speaker 5     00:20:18    Spelling. Yes. S-H-E-G-O-S-K-I. My apologies.  
Speaker 0     00:20:22    So, so first and foremost, thank you for coming. I mean, I know you exceeded your three minutes, but I think it's really critical that we heard the information that you  
Speaker 5     00:20:28    Thank you for allowing me  
Speaker 0     00:20:29    Communicated. And to me you did a a great job  
Speaker 5     00:20:32    Ley. It's gone. Oh,  
Speaker 0     00:20:34    It's okay. My voice goes constantly. That's why I'm constantly drinking water here. But I just wanted to, to mention, and I'm looking over at Tim to just make sure that we can maybe get a meeting probably sooner than later to kind of cover some of these questions that the Rescue squad has. And what I'd like you to do, 'cause you had a few questions there, maybe you can follow up with Tim and you can give him your direct number and he can provide you with some of these answers that you're seeking.  
Speaker 5     00:20:59    I appreciate that. And I just wanna make sure it's on the record that you are stating as president of his president, correct? President of the town council that I may directly contact Mr. Dacy?  
Speaker 0     00:21:09    Yes, please. I  
Speaker 5     00:21:10    Can. Yes.  
Speaker 0     00:21:11    Awesome. Thank you. And you, and right after the meeting, if you just wanna give him your phone number, that would be great.  
Speaker 5     00:21:16    And this is not something that has to go through our EMS liaison. We can contact him directly. The whole council's okay with that. Mr. Dacy, you're okay with that?  
Speaker 1     00:21:25    I'm not gonna talk about why they're not being called out. I'm not, I'm not in the chain of command for their being called out. I'm glad to set a meeting like we had, we've had two meetings on the issue already and my understanding is the police department has not provided the information that the rescue squads have agreed to give them. But We'll, we give  
Speaker 5     00:21:43    Monthly we will calendars because they asked us to.  
Speaker 1     00:21:46    Okay. The issue came up last Thursday when an email came out with the police department late the afternoon at one company was covered for the, that's on a monthly calendar. So we will meet for a third time. And I thought that I email that Lieutenant Moser sent to Captain Rosenberg was a clear email. So we'll meet again on the third time to discuss that stuff on the money issue. I'll be glad to meet with you, but I don't know how long have you been the, the captain?  
Speaker 5     00:22:14    Three  
Speaker 1     00:22:14    Years. Okay. So I would suggest that you bring in whoever was captain beforehand, other ever handling finances for the rescue squad to come in and find out. I've only been here for less than a year. I can't explain why you have not received the money for the last four years. Either you haven't requested it or, or there's a paperwork issue or something. I'll be glad to try to clear it up that you're not to and assist instead of coming here and just, you know, being accusatory towards everybody. If you want to work it out, you need to find out why your predecessor didn't request it and why you in turn haven't requested it for the last three years.  
Speaker 0     00:22:51    So, so,  
Speaker 1     00:22:52    So I'm glad to talk to absolute about that.  
Speaker 0     00:22:54    Sorry, Mr. Rosenberg, you were, had your hand raised, but I just realized that you had just spoken so I unfortunately I can't have you come back up and speak again, but if you  
Speaker 5     00:23:01    Could, I have an answer that's why up to that question,  
Speaker 0     00:23:05    You know, we're going, we will talk about it offline. Thank you. One other at the meeting, one other quick  
Speaker 5     00:23:10    Question. Absolutely. Ms.  
Speaker 0     00:23:12    River Road Rescue has started billing in my right?  
Speaker 5     00:23:17    Correct. Okay.  
Speaker 0     00:23:18    And what, in what year did you start with your billing?  
Speaker 5     00:23:20    Billing year? That I started You said billing to started billing was in two th 2010. Okay.  
Speaker 0     00:23:26    Just wanted that  
Speaker 5     00:23:27    For clarification. And your money was used to ensure that no one received a bill because as per Medicare we're required to collect co-insurance. Anyone that's a doctor here would  
Speaker 0     00:23:35    Understand that. I just wanted to clarify when  
Speaker 5     00:23:38    That started. So we have to build them harder now because of that. Okay.  
Speaker 0     00:23:41    Thank, thank you very much. I appreciate it. Thank you. Look forward to, to the meetings. Are there any other questions or comments from the public? If so, if you could please come to the podium, state your name and address. If not, I'd like to, oh, sorry.  
Speaker 6     00:23:57    Good evening. Staci  
Speaker 0     00:23:58    Berger two thirty three  
Speaker 6     00:23:59    Rose Parkway at birthday.  
Speaker 0     00:24:01    Thank you. Good evening, Ms. Berg. Evening.  
Speaker 6     00:24:03    So I wanted to just, oh, I brought, brought the wrong paper, but I wanted to thank you all for the first reading of the videotaping ordinance. I had thought that it might not happen today, so I didn't have a chance to make all of the recommendations, but it looks like you took out a couple of things. So that's great. The registration that had been originally proposed requiring folks to tell you who they were was in the, the first draft that we got two weeks last week. So I'm glad to see that that's out because it's not really the public's responsibility, although as you can see there are many people here doing it. It's not really the public's responsibility to provide a transcript.  
Speaker 0     00:24:35    Right. And so, so one of the things that we have done, I think you were at the meeting previously when it was a lady who did not want to give us her name or we didn't, we didn't ask you to do that. So sometimes she has,  
Speaker 6     00:24:43    But what, what was in the ordinance was a specific language request requiring people to identify who they were if they were videotaping. Got it. Right. And so I'm glad to see that that's taken out. So thank you for doing that. But I do think that part of why people did want to videotape, because the council has chosen not to produce those, those videotapes on their own or provide any kind of way for people who are not able to physically come here to see the, the video, see the activity is because there are lots of questions. And one of them is, why is the Township this collecting money and not dispersing it? I was unaware that there was money that would have supported the River Road rescue squad, which I, I understand you're gonna have a meeting, but I think everybody else is either here or watching at home, is really curious about where that money's going and why we would not have every audit that was available to us on the website.  
Speaker 6     00:25:27    It does, it does seem that, well it may, it, well it may be a little bit more difficult to list six years than two years or three years that you could actually do that. And so if you can err on the side of transparency, I would encourage you strongly to do that. You seem to keep having the same conversation it feels to people. I think that that something is not quite kosher. I don't know how else to describe it, but there's just not an open sense of transparency. I didn't, I didn't think the river road rescue squad director was in any way being accusatory. But every time people come and ask questions, they're told they're being accusatory. Part of why they have to ask questions is because the information. So can I, Barbara,  
Speaker 0     00:26:05    Do you have, do you have a question that you wanted?  
Speaker 6     00:26:07    Well, yes. I wanted to know what, when you're going to report back to the public what the, the findings are from, why there's money being collected in the budget that is not being dispersed.  
Speaker 0     00:26:16    So I think you want to know when, but at this point we haven't scheduled a meeting. So at that point, every  
Speaker 6     00:26:20    Meeting, every time someone comes here, they ask you questions and there has to be another meeting. Can can, can you give us a report in two weeks?  
Speaker 0     00:26:25    Okay. So at this time we have not scheduled the meeting. So unfortunately we're not able to state when we will have the information at that time  
Speaker 6     00:26:32    After that meeting.  
Speaker 0     00:26:33    But it, but I think that it's, I think it's, we've been pretty clear stating that we would not have a problem in meeting. And as you can see, we have quite a few rescue squads here. We have the police department that we have to meet with as well. And different people have different opinions, so we have to try to get to the bottom of it. So sometimes it's not just one. Well,  
Speaker 6     00:26:50    Right, but the but the budget items are the, I'm sorry, I don't  
Speaker 0     00:26:53    Want you wanna be able to out facts.  
Speaker 6     00:26:56    Right. So the facts are what the, what's in the audit shows that there was money that was collected from taxpayers who believe that those funds were going to support their rescue squads. Whether or not somebody billed for those, the Township still has an obligation to make sure those funds are going somewhere. So I'm sort of wondering, the fiscal committee we talked about  
Speaker 1     00:27:15    On the agreement that the Township presented into, I'm not aware of any agreement right now.  
Speaker 6     00:27:20    So then why are you collecting money for that?  
Speaker 1     00:27:22    Can I answer? No, we're not. I don't know. You're the, can I answer a question for you so I can help clarify it for you? We we're not collecting money from anybody for the first state squad. Whatever money comes in with taxpayer money, whatever's not spent as you well know at the end of the year, falls a surplus. There should be an agreement if there's any nonprofit organization that we have are giving money to. There should be an agreement between us and the nonprofit organization spelling out what the money needs to be used for, how it's to be reimbursed. But  
Speaker 6     00:27:53    It it appears in your audit.  
Speaker 1     00:27:54    Can I answer the question please? Evidence suggested that the money was to be used to make sure that they don't have to bill patients that may or may not be legal in New Jersey. I'm not necessarily sure. So what we need to do is we need to do our research, which I think you would, you heading a a a non-profit would understand. We need to do our research, find out what the, what the issues are, what agreements are. This is an issue that apparently has been around for four years that Evan's bringing to us tonight for the very first time. So I think for you to say, what is the answer now?  
Speaker 6     00:28:27    No, I'm asking when you might know when the answer is. Can I, can I get my three minutes? Okay. So I think that actually  
Speaker 0     00:28:33    We'll probably have about 30 more seconds and then at that point  
Speaker 6     00:28:36    Well you, you're taking his time off of mine. No,  
Speaker 0     00:28:38    Actually I, 'cause I'm, I'm looking at the clock. Okay. There's a clock right there so I can kind of keep track of what's actually happening. So you have, I'll let Ms. Berger finish.  
Speaker 1     00:28:44    Daniel, Daniel knows the answer motion, but Daniel, the CFO, he's not here. Daniel can explain with  
Speaker 6     00:28:54    That. No. All all I'm saying. All I'm saying. Okay. Thank you council president. All I'm saying is that as a nonprofit director, if there were a line item that I had been accumulating over a period of time, my auditor would wanna know why. And my board members or the people who I work for, well would want, can you please let me finish my sentence? I I'm not interrupting you.  
Speaker 1     00:29:13    You're confusing the terms. I don't, you brought up, I know Mr. Irwin said it's in the audit. It's not in the audit. This is in the budget on our website. We have the last three years of audits and budgets posted. I understand there would not be money. You don't see money allocations in audits. You see them in the blood,  
Speaker 6     00:29:30    But the auditor goes back and make sure that the money that you allocated actually gets spent. That's how people do an audit.  
Speaker 1     00:29:36    That's not  
Speaker 6     00:29:37    Necessarily, that is how, well that's how most nonprofits do an audit. Maybe that's different from you what  
Speaker 0     00:29:41    Dealing can 30 seconds. Yeah. So yes. So go ahead. 30 seconds.  
Speaker 6     00:29:46    Can I repeat my time please? Yes.  
Speaker 0     00:29:47    Thank, go ahead.  
Speaker 6     00:29:48    Thank you. I appreciate that. My, my point, whether or not you agree with it is not really the issue. My issue is with the council and, and whether you all are aware that that's happening and what you're planning to do about it. And when you're planning, especially for the River Board Rescue squad and I think Director Chaill Gorski, I might be not pronouncing his name right, that Chief Chaill Gorsky, captain Chaill Gorski, I'm not sure what his tech is called, did a great job and is doing a great service. So whether it's been going on for four years or four minutes, he came and brought an issue to the council. And I expect and hope that the council's gonna take that seriously and report back to the rest of us who are watching at home and hear in attendance in person about what the results of that were. Because a private meeting, which I'm glad to see has been, those have been exed out of this ordinance also. So way to  
Speaker 0     00:30:30    Go. So Ms. Berger, let me answer your, your question right, because I think we're, the 30 seconds has been exceeded, but I just wanna let you know that we are going to schedule a meeting that you can count on. We appreciate the services that our volunteers in Piscataway as well as our paid police officers here in this town provide us with. We  
Speaker 6     00:30:48    All do. And  
Speaker 0     00:30:48    You also can count and believe that the Township cares about the lives of our residents. So you have our word this evening that we will have a meeting and we will get back to those involved as well as the residents of  
Speaker 6     00:31:00    Pisca. Right. And that's what I'm saying is one, one private meeting with people is great to get to the end, to get to the issue, but the rest of us want know. Okay.  
Speaker 0     00:31:06    So if you're at the meeting when we discuss it, then we're more than happy to make sure that you're are aware. Thank you very have a, I just say  
Speaker 6     00:31:12    This problem is  
Speaker 0     00:31:13    A little multifaceted. Exactly. Thank you.  
Speaker 4     00:31:17    The answer to the question is, I mean I, there's some legal issues involved that I don't think we should discuss is the answer to the question, but I won't make sure that Daniel gives us the budget to the question. I think some of the, I'm not gonna discuss it, but there are some legal reasons why this is occurred related.  
Speaker 0     00:31:37    Okay. Are there any other comments or questions from the public? If so, please come to the podium, state your name and address. Three minutes to speak. Okay. At this time I'd like the motion to adjourn. Motion. Do I have a second? Second. All in favor? Aye. Aye. Meetings adjourn. We'll move on to our agenda meeting, but I wanted to give the chief an opportunity, I don't know if you're staying for a next agenda meeting, but if you are that's fine. You can from River Road.  
Speaker 5     00:32:05    You want me to talk to you like gentle? You want me to stand up to the podium ma'am?  
Speaker 0     00:32:09    No, no, no. I wasn't sure if you wanted to give him your information unless she was staying. I just wanted to give you that. I  
Speaker 5     00:32:13    Mean I, I can hang up. Sure. Have someone covering me.  
Speaker 0     00:32:15    Okay. Alright, great. Thank you. Sure. At this time I'd like to call the meeting to order. Adequate notice of this meeting has been provided as required under chapter 2 31 PL 1975, specifying the time, date, location and to the extent known the agenda by posting a copy of the notice on the municipal building municipal court and the two municipal library bulletin courts providing a copy to official newspapers in the Township and by filing a copy of the office of the Township clerk and a Accord to the certification by the clerk, which will be entered in 10 minutes. Could you please stand for the blacksmith,  
Speaker 7     00:32:53    The United States of America Nation? Yes. Here. Here. Mr. Cahn? Yes. Mrs. Lamar. Mr. Haw? Mr. I, your honor. Mr. Thank you.  
Speaker 0     00:33:23    Item number five is a resolution authorized refund and overview taxes due to tax court judgment not to exceed $30,100. Are there any comments or questions at this time? Item number 10, a resolution authorizing raffle license RA 1 3 5 5 and RA 1 3 5 6 New Jersey Coalition for battered women. Are there any comments or questions at this time? Item number 11, a resolution authorizing appointment of Bonita Ogborn McLean to the Municipal Alliance Committee Substance Abuse Task Force. Are there any comments or questions at this time? Item number 12, resolution authorizing return of performance, security and cash bonds at I A eight lock 6,003 lot four at 4 45 pose length. Are there any comments or questions at this time? Item number 13, a resolution authorizing return of street opening bond at Centennial Industrial Park Block 48 0 1 Lot one 11 Colonial Drive. Are there any comments or questions at this time? Item number 14, a resolution authorizing return of escrow Gibson PC Block 56 0 1 block 1.02 at 1,200 Centennial Avenue. Are there any comments or questions at this time? 15 of resolution authorizing return of Sterling Village Security deposits. Are there any comments or questions that this state recording  
Speaker 7     00:34:50    Is  
Speaker 0     00:34:52    Item number 16, which is a resolution authorizing return of engineering and inspection fees at one Erickson Drive. Are there any comments or questions at this time? Item number 17, a motion to accept the minutes for the reorganization and agenda meetings January 2nd, 2018. Are there any comments or questions at this time? Item number 18, announcements and comments from officials. Mr. Bullard  
Speaker 7     00:35:21    This time? Thank you. Sure,  
Speaker 0     00:35:23    Ms. Cahill.  
Speaker 8     00:35:25    Happy birthday. I'm sorry I didn't say the first time around. So no. And also wanna remind folks that March is a women's history month. So all power to women and no offense to my male colleagues, but I'm sure there'll be various events happening in town to support women through history.  
Speaker 0     00:35:47    Thank you. Mr. K second. Somebody? None. Thank here. Mr. Sean? No thank Mr. Er Mayor. Any comments? Our Mr. Administrator Tim counsel Mike? No, I don't have any comments either. At this time I'd like to open it to the public so at this time, even if you spoke at the prior meeting, you are welcome to come to the podium and please state your name and address and you a few minutes. And Mr. Seat.  
Speaker 2     00:36:16    Hello. And Bill two Parkway. I didn't want to overindulge the council's patients before by going over my three minutes, but I wasn't quite done and I'm glad I didn't because folks that far more important. But I did wanna say that I, I was just, I'm a little disappointed in the, in the response of not putting back up the stuff that was previously there. It was great that it was there. It was, it was just fundamentally good that that information was there and then to take it down and not want to put it back up and then have folks have to file Oprah requests for information that was previously available to like the day before. It is like stuff like that just antagonizes people need the safe, there's no reason to do it. I mean, I don't have to file the over request. I, you know, I have the audits in my pocket.  
Speaker 2     00:36:59    Like when, when I went there on Wednesday, I downloaded all the PDFs 'cause I figured they wouldn't be there on Thursday. They weren't. But the point is, I shouldn't have to do that. I mean, I can just share 'em on a Google Drive. Nobody has to file an open request. But you know, the point is I shouldn't have to do that either. Like if you had done it, you had done it right and then, and then for some reason stop. I, so I don't understand that I am going to file an open request from the audit nonetheless. And when I do, please be sure that the prior year ones are actually complete because there were a number of missing pages from the ones that were posted on the website. So we'll have to make sure all those get in file.  
Speaker 0     00:37:39    Thank you. Are there any other comments or questions please? So you can leave an address.  
Speaker 9     00:37:48    Fred White. Good evening. Good evening. Mr. White. 6 0 7 Owen Parkway. This is directly to Mr. Cahn and I think a couple of months ago you were trying to negotiate with infer group to see if they'd be willing to turn the bays facing towards Centennial Avenue rather than the neighborhood. Can you update us on Sure. If anything has happened and what that would be?  
Speaker 4     00:38:12    Sure. The answer, the answer to the question is, is that they've expressed a willingness to make modifications. However, the, the modifications and what will really be needed and how it will play out are largely dependent upon who the tenant is. And several months ago there was no answer to that question. There's no definitive answer today. But there is, we're aware of, of what they're attempting to do with respect to tenant and that will answer the question about what modifications they can make and what are really actually needed. I don't want to, they're involved in negotiating the, the deal now. And I don't want to screw that up to be Blount because the, if they're able to negotiate what a tenant to fill the space that be the Township have been encouraging, the, been encouraging, I think the issue out there with the residents would be eliminated. That may not happen. And I don't want to be making statements about that in any definitive way. So the answer is, we had a couple of discussions with them. They are, they, they would like to make some changes, but we want to see who's in that space before we can definitively decide that and see what it would cost. So  
Speaker 9     00:39:44    Can I conclude you  
Speaker 4     00:39:44    Made some progress? I'm not trying to be, I'm not trying to not answer your question, but I don't want to interfere with the negoti the negotiation as to what they're trying to achieve. And once we know that, then we'll be able to have a more definitive discussion with them about what the Township would like them to be able to do. And they'll, and they'll have a better understanding of who's gonna be in that space and what the space needs. They're gonna build it to suit a particular tenant is what I'm getting at.  
Speaker 9     00:40:15    So then I can conclude from what you're saying that the tenant has to decide what they want before. Well  
Speaker 4     00:40:23    We start building. We, if we, if we get our way, we may not, and I don't wanna say too much if I already have already, if we get our way, it's gonna be a very low intense use facility. May not. That's, that's been, that is been the township's objective in working with the developer that comes to fruition. I think the problem will be resolved, but it may not. And I don't have, I personally have no control of that, nor does the Mayor other than other than encouraging the developer in those efforts. But these are two big businesses that are negotiating with each other and there's not much more we can do about it. So the answer is we have been working on it on a regular basis and that's where it sits right now. It may take, it may take a month or more for them to have an agreement or not, and then we'll know the answers to those questions.  
Speaker 9     00:41:24    Would it be too much of an imposition once, do you know any news that you would contact me?  
Speaker 4     00:41:31    I have, I have regularly communicated, not with you, but with a couple of other folks, including Mr. Wheel, who I understand is in Iceland told me he was in Iceland. So they, they, those folks know privately the same thing that I'm saying now. The mayor's gonna probably scold me saying more than we should 'cause I don't want to mess the thing up. But that's what's the public's interested in it and that's what's going on. One of the big questions in the beginning was, well what's gonna go in there? The developer, the developer got approval for something that could be bigger than life. And that's because developers always want to get as much as they can out the approval. But the reality of it is what's gonna go in there is gonna determine what its, its use and impact are. And at that point in time we will know what modifications we really need them to make and what we need or are willing to pay if necessary to do that. There's several different things that have been in discussion, your orientation of the building, the ingress, egress of the site for trucks and, and the buffering aspect of it. And we can't really finalize any of that until we know what's gonna be in that facility is what I'm getting.  
Speaker 0     00:42:37    So I can depend on you  
Speaker 4     00:42:38    To call Mr. Williams as soon as you have some notes. I I, I've talked to both Tony and Mr. Brennan on numerous occasions. I talked to Mr. Bre Saturday, think I emailed Tony the other day, have a good trip to Iceland and gave him a head idea of what was up. I don't know that I'll know more than that for what I was told today was perhaps 30 days from now, we'll know the answer to that question. I mean these are complicated contracts, you know, that involved, I'm a lawyer, I don't do that kind of work but you know, 75 lawyers looking at everything Mike's this morning, not me. So it did may take a while for it develop or fall apart and it could be the opposite, it could be a more intense use in the problem. But we've been encouraging the particular outcome. The mayor's been proactive in encouraging a particular outcome like he's done in other parts of town to bring economic developments.  
Speaker 4     00:43:32    We're looking to put the best we can. A low intense tenant in there that can create upwards of 175 well paying jobs and have really very little impact that may not happen. But that's the story. So the story is, I would get a guess to sum it up that it's gonna take at least a month or so for we, for us to know whether they've been able to work out an agreement may. And once that happens then we can follow up with them and say, here's what we would like you to do. Here's what the town can contribute to to make that happen. So thank you for your answer. Thank you  
Speaker 0     00:44:08    Mr. Roseberg. I'm not trying to put you on the spot if you wanted to say something now, but you don't have to, but I just wanted, just so that you're aware, since this is another meeting, I know you were about to come, you were gonna come up, give an answer to get an answer something. But you don't have to, I was just, I was just giving you the option. You  
Speaker 4     00:44:23    Can talk to us after the meeting. I  
Speaker 0     00:44:24    Mean we, okay, it's up to you. I would like to say something. Okay.  
Speaker 3     00:44:32    To emphasize back on what I was saying previously, we're not trying to be disruptors, we're not trying to cause trouble or anything like that. We had a system that worked, now we have a system that doesn't work as well. So for us at least, and we just wanna find a medium something more than what we have. Maybe not everything we get but something better that that's all we want. We wanna work together to do it. We're not trying to be, you know, bashing against the wall, but we wanna come to some kind of medium. I mean, you know, there's gotta be some middle ground. Yeah. So, and I just feel it's not being pursued when you,  
Speaker 5     00:45:10    When you  
Speaker 0     00:45:11    Got up prior you said you had an answer to something. So I thought that you wanted to give an answer for  
Speaker 3     00:45:15    Something. Well no I did but I wanted say that too just because I didn't want look it we're passionate we're, you know, we're a little frustrated too. So I understand that came out. I just want everyone to know what we really feel just because some feelings might have came to the service tonight, that's all. It's okay and that's fine. But for the answer was, at least for River Road is back when Andy Marucci was captain, sorry. And he's the one who went, he went billing the Business Administrator at the time. I do not know who that was at the time. Said that you go billing, you're not gonna get anything because at the time them going billing was a huge scandal because they had almost no money left and they had to do something and it took them years to get outta debt. And that's kind of like how we were, except the town actually told us go billing this time around. So, and it's helped us. It does. But that at least for the road is why they haven't gotten their money. Okay,  
Speaker 0     00:46:16    Thank you. No, thank you. And are there any,  
Speaker 5     00:46:20    I'll give you, I'll give you some answer if you want. Hello again. It's been a long time. Talk to you guys less. I wasn't privy to that. And you know, we, we had gone building in 2010 and three years continued to go on. So I didn't know that that was necessarily a thing. And that's okay.  
Speaker 0     00:46:37    That's why we want to have this meeting and bring everybody together. 'cause sometimes you find out things, so that's  
Speaker 5     00:46:42    Okay. But Medicare, the federal program, it has like some, some different caveats that any other building program, any other insurance program rather would have that Medicaid doesn't have and no private insurance has either. And there is a decision from the OIG, the federal office of, I can't remember what it stands for right now, inspector General, the OIG, that states that if we were to utilize a contribution from the municipality that is equivalent to roughly what is expected for the patient liability portion, then we can do what we have been doing, which is on the bottom of our, we don't even, they're not even bills. It actually says statement of account on top and on the bottom it says you are not liable for any of this. If you have any insurance, please remit it to us. You know, no patient that we ever care for, that we transport because we only bill people that are transported and that's it.  
Speaker 5     00:47:35    Well we don't even bill them to bill their insurance. No patient is ever gonna be a dollar signed to us. We do what we have to do to exist in this day and age and we do what we have to do to try to keep the budget line item down so that you guys can keep everyone's taxes down because we want to help our community in every way possible. So, you know, that money would help us to continue to build the way that we do. If we don't, we're gonna have to change that verbiage and that's why we need that answer at some point. Is that  
Speaker 0     00:48:02    Issue that you're talking about, just Medicaid,  
Speaker 5     00:48:04    Medicare, it's a Medicare thing but it's also common and you know, in most instances, legal practice to bill everyone equally. To Bill, you know, you different than one of the people sitting next to you would just simply be unfair. Especially since it is a captive market. You know, no one gets the choice of like, oh you know, I'm having an MI but I I would really like to, you know, call JFK, right? You can't do that. You get what you get. So again, you know, no one's a dollar sign to us and that's why it does matter. If the Township would like to stop collecting as First Aid squad that appropriation, then we wouldn't ask for it. We can do whatever the case may be with the question becomes, you know, if you are collecting it, where does it go? Why is it rolling into reserve? Did we not fill out paperwork? Do you guys need an audit that we failed to provide? What  
Speaker 0     00:48:49    Do we do? All of those bring all of those questions when that meeting is set up, it's very, very simple. We haven't submitted the audits because the, the, the indictment and conviction of somebody's that's so,  
Speaker 5     00:49:02    You know, we put ourselves up here publicly. So if you have anything to say, it's always welcome.  
Speaker 0     00:49:05    Right. That's, I didn't wanna, you didn't wanna  
Speaker 5     00:49:07    Say that you're more than welcome to, you know, everyone has a you  
Speaker 0     00:49:10    No. So, right. So we right, we we will bring up some of this at the meeting if, if, if we can, if you have any questions that you want to answer. Absolutely.  
Speaker 5     00:49:18    Okay. And just, you know, recently Arbor did we, we provide schedules every month and we have at the request of Lieutenant Zammudo, he's no longer with us. Arbor provides schedules and North Stone stated that they would be willing to if asked and I don't think, I don't, I can't, you know, I really shouldn't speak on that 'cause I'm not North Stone. So in  
Speaker 0     00:49:36    Order to have a good meeting, we'll tell you what we're gonna  
Speaker 5     00:49:38    Need. And we were specifically told that we cannot in email, we were specifically told that we cannot request anyone's coverage and that it will not quote be tolerated. So that's, so that,  
Speaker 1     00:49:48    That email was for a specific afternoon that came in on a very short notice. So we've had two meetings to discuss this. That's  
Speaker 5     00:49:56    All. Okay, we thank you sir.  
Speaker 1     00:49:57    That occurred so that everybody understands what we're looking for. Our responsibility to our residents is that when they call 9 1 1, somebody gets dispatched and our dispatcher can't sit there and start at Arbor and go through all the first aid companies to see who's available to answer call. I absolutely agree. So we don't know that you're ready to roll, we're not going to do the inspection and that's been expressed to you twice. But I'll be glad to set a meeting up. Lieutenant Moser is now Lieutenant Phil, retired Lieutenant Moser's charge. I'll be glad to set up a meeting that like we did before so that we can all be aware of what's required so that we can work  
Speaker 0     00:50:34    With each other. And you guys will have our schedule for March tonight. So we continue that practice looking forward to it. So I have to cut you because you're at your over again. I'm really at it. We can ask. I ramble. You'll be able to talk about everything. Thank you so much ma'am. Sure. Any other comments or questions from the public at this time? Please come to the podium. Okay. Could I have a motion to adjourn? Motion Still? Have a second. Second, second. Second. All in favor? Aye. Aye. Adjourn. Have a good evening. Thanks.