Transcript for Piscataway Zoning meeting on June 23 2022

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Speaker 1     00:00:44    Are we looking, Laura?  
Speaker 2     00:00:47    Sorry. I had to run somewhere. We are ready to go.  
Speaker 1     00:00:51    Good to go.  
Speaker 2     00:00:52    Yep. Seven 30  
Speaker 1     00:00:54    Zoning board of adjustment meeting will please come to order. Adequate notice of this meeting was provided in the following ways. Notice published in the Curry news notice posted on the bulletin board in aithal building notice made available to the Township clerk notice sent to the Curry news in the star ledger. Will the clerk please call the  
Speaker 2     00:01:10    Role Mr. Weisman here. Mr. Tillery here. Mr. Patel, here. MRIO here. Mr. Dacey  
Speaker 1     00:01:20    Here.  
Speaker 2     00:01:21    Mr. Dacey here. Mr. Mitterando here. Mr. Ellie here, Chairman Cahill  
Speaker 1     00:01:28    Here, will everyone please stand for salute to the flag, the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for  
Speaker 3     00:01:41    Which it stands  
Speaker 1     00:01:42    One nation Liberty there. Any changes to tonight's agenda  
Speaker 3     00:01:54    The application? Yes, there are the application of aithal Perza 1438 west fourth street is adjourned until July 14 two, and he must notice the application of Michelle Lombardi is postponed until July 14th, 2 22, and no further notice is necessary by the applicant. Finally, Lori vie is postponed to August 11th, 2022. No further notice is necessary. Those are all the changes I have for  
Speaker 1     00:02:23    Tonight. Thank you, Mr. Cahn, I would ask the general public. Could you please all remain muted until such time as I call for your comments, questions or any issues like that? We do appreciate you abiding by that situation. That being said, let's move on. Item number seven, ring Patel.  
Speaker 3     00:02:49    Patel.  
Speaker 2     00:02:50    Yes, that's me.  
Speaker 3     00:02:52    Okay. Could you raise your right hand? I need to swear you in. Do you swear the testimony you're about to give should be the truth?  
Speaker 2     00:02:57    Absolutely.  
Speaker 4     00:02:58    Yes.  
Speaker 3     00:02:58    Could I have your name and address please?  
Speaker 4     00:03:01    Rinke Patel 41, Lilian Terra. Piscataway.  
Speaker 3     00:03:04    Can you explain to the board what you would like to do here?  
Speaker 4     00:03:07    So we would like to install a fence on the side of the property and the backyard as well. We, we are trying to get over the easement because there is a 20 feet easement right? In between our property. So we would like to have a fence and protect ourselves and kids from the deer and other, other things.  
Speaker 3     00:03:29    And you understand that if the Township ever needs access to that easement, you would be responsible for removing that fence and replacing it.  
Speaker 4     00:03:36    Absolutely. Yes.  
Speaker 3     00:03:38    Mr. Chairman, I don't have anything else for the applicant  
Speaker 1     00:03:41    Is Mr. Hinterstein here?  
Speaker 5     00:03:44    Yeah, I'm here.  
Speaker 1     00:03:45    So any questions, all or, or comments about this, sir?  
Speaker 5     00:03:49    No, I think Mr. Cahn outline that one. It's really just the condition that if we need access, he's responsible.  
Speaker 1     00:03:58    Understood. Thank you very much. Anyone else on the board have any questions for this applicant? Any comments hearing none. I'm gonna open it to the public. Anyone in the public portion? Have any comments about this application? Miss Buckley? No, sir. Okay. Hearing none. I'm gonna close that public portion and I'm gonna make a motion to approve this application a second, please. Call  
Speaker 2     00:04:22    Mr. Weisman.  
Speaker 1     00:04:23    Yes.  
Speaker 2     00:04:24    Mr. Tillery.  
Speaker 1     00:04:26    Yes.  
Speaker 2     00:04:26    Mr. Patel?  
Speaker 1     00:04:28    Yes.  
Speaker 2     00:04:29    MRIO.  
Speaker 1     00:04:30    Yes. Mr.  
Speaker 2     00:04:30    Dacey.  
Speaker 1     00:04:32    Yes.  
Speaker 2     00:04:32    Mr. Dacey.  
Speaker 1     00:04:34    Yes. Mr. Hidaka. Yes.  
Speaker 2     00:04:34    And Chairman  
Speaker 1     00:04:35    Cahill. Yes.  
Speaker 3     00:04:37    Mr. Patel, your application's been approved. It has a condition attached to it that if the Township ever needs access to that easement, you're responsible for removing and replacing that fence. Good luck.  
Speaker 4     00:04:46    Thank  
Speaker 1     00:04:46    You. Thank you, Mr. Patel, have a good evening.  
Speaker 4     00:04:49    You too.  
Speaker 1     00:04:49    Let's move along to item number 8 22 dash ZB dash 44 V. And that's New York. SMSA Verizon wireless.  
Speaker 3     00:05:02    I believe Mr. Dacey is representing the a,  
Speaker 1     00:05:06    Are you Mr. You're muted, sir?  
Speaker 6     00:05:16    Good evening.  
Speaker 1     00:05:17    Good evening.  
Speaker 6     00:05:20    My name is Edward Perel. I'm an attorney at price. Me showman. Garo here tonight for New York. SMSA for Verizon wireless  
Speaker 3     00:05:33    And the, can you, the, the board is familiar with these types of applications. So if you could, they've they've seen paperwork. So if you could provide a summary of what's going on here, that's probably enough.  
Speaker 6     00:05:45    Sure. We do have our, our engineers here, but I'll just, you know, proffer to the board with respect to what's being proposed. Verizon has an existing tower at this location. 1 35 Fleming street that's block 18, 10 lot 1.01. Verizon is proposing to replace six and antennas to remove and replace six remote radio heads, remove remote radio heads and add other minor related ancillary equipment. Related to that tower, essentially what's happening is Verizon has to update upgrade some of its existing antennas. It's keeping the number of antennas that were permitted by way of the prior approval. In 2013, from this board, it's not creating a situation where an additional variance is required. And this is also is an application, which is subject to section 64 0 9 a of the federal telecommunications act, which requires that, that the board approve this application because it's not a substantial change. This is very minor. Co-location, it's a replacement. And we're before the board tonight asking the board to interpret the federal law, the local ordinance to, to require only administrative approvals for this colocation.  
Speaker 3     00:07:02    And you're not extending the height of the tower at all.  
Speaker 6     00:07:05    That's correct.  
Speaker 3     00:07:06    And you are complying with the emissions limits.  
Speaker 6     00:07:11    That is correct.  
Speaker 3     00:07:12    And the structure can handle it, handle the new equipment.  
Speaker 6     00:07:17    That is correct. And a structural analysis will be submitted with respect to the building permits when those are pulled  
Speaker 3     00:07:24    Mr. Chairman, I don't have any other questions.  
Speaker 1     00:07:26    Okay. I think that kind of covers it as well. Any other members of the board of any questions about this application or this applicant?  
Speaker 7     00:07:34    The only other thing,  
Speaker 1     00:07:35    Go ahead, John.  
Speaker 7     00:07:37    The ground coverage is basically the same, which is also comes those rules. And I did inspect the property's well maintained condition.  
Speaker 1     00:07:48    Great. Any comments hearing none. I'm gonna open it to the public. Anyone in the public have any comments or questions about this application?  
Speaker 2     00:08:00    No  
Speaker 1     00:08:00    Chairman, no one. Okay. Close the public portion. I'd make a motion to approve this application.  
Speaker 7     00:08:05    Hold a second.  
Speaker 1     00:08:06    Please. Call roll.  
Speaker 2     00:08:08    Mr. Weisman. Yes. Mr. Tillery.  
Speaker 7     00:08:11    Yes.  
Speaker 2     00:08:12    Mr. Patel.  
Speaker 7     00:08:13    Yes.  
Speaker 2     00:08:14    MRIO. Yes. Mr. Blount.  
Speaker 7     00:08:17    Yes.  
Speaker 2     00:08:17    Mr. Haka.  
Speaker 1     00:08:18    Yes.  
Speaker 2     00:08:19    And Chairman Cahill.  
Speaker 1     00:08:20    Yes.  
Speaker 3     00:08:22    We will memorialize this in a written document in our next meeting for Patel.  
Speaker 6     00:08:27    Thank you very much.  
Speaker 1     00:08:28    Thank you. Mr. Dacey. Have a good evening. Let's move on to item number 10 21, ZB five seven slash five, eight V 28 Howard street holdings  
Speaker 6     00:08:41    Muted.  
Speaker 8     00:08:44    Good evening, Mr. Chairman, Jason hark from Oland Feldman LLP. I am here along with my colleague Richard and Gasky Jr. Who we represent 28 Howard street, LLC. The owner of the property and the applicant for this application, please proceed. Okay. As I said, our app, we represent the owner and the, the applicant this evening with respect to a major preliminary and final site plan and use variance application. The property in question is located at 28 Howard street in the Township and is also known as block 1102 block 15.01. I know I'm probably gonna be the least important person that you hear from tonight concerning this application. But if you give me a few minutes, I just, just like to give you a brief background to explain why we're here this evening. My client purchased a property in April of 2021. The former property owner had entered into a memorandum of agreement with the Township of in April and of 2012, agreeing to clean up and remediate the property thereafter.  
Speaker 8     00:09:52    The former, the former property owner had obtained zoning board site plan and new experience approval on January 10th, 2013. However, the former owner never completed the required improvements with respect to the property, which resulted in a litigation between the Township and the, the former owner. That's when a couple years later, my client came into the picture when the litigation was still ongoing and as part of his agreement to buy the property, he agreed to enter into a new MOA with the Township and work with the Township to bring the property into compliance. So that's what my client's been doing for the last year. We entered into a new MOA with the Township on April 22nd, 2021. It was amended earlier this year in March of 2022. Additionally, I was before this board on April 22nd, 2021, in which the board granted four temporary use permits for four different tenants on the property.  
Speaker 8     00:10:53    I came back before you, in December of this past year, seeking extensions for two of those permits, two of the tenants had left the site two remained, and we got extensions for those. Additionally, my client obtained CCOs for all the active tenants last spring, and those CCOs were conditioned upon a final site plan approval. So tonight we come before you for the final piece of the puzzle, I would say we come before you seeking final, final prelim preliminary and final site plan approval, along with the necessary bulk variances, as well as use variances for two landscaping businesses on the property, which will be providing landscaping services to offsite customers. For the purposes of jurisdiction. I provided the board with an affidavit of publication on June 14th, showing publication in the star ledger on June 8th. Additionally on June 9th correspondence was sent via first class and certified mail to all property owners within 200 feet of the property, as well as the necessary public entities and utility companies. So I respectfully asked the board to accept jurisdiction.  
Speaker 3     00:12:06    Notice is proper and the, the board has jurisdiction to proceed.  
Speaker 8     00:12:09    Perfect. So before I call our first witness study is gonna be Mike Marinelli from Menlo engineering. But before I call him, I would like my client, Michael gore, who is the managing member of 28 Howard holdings. Just to give a brief introduction of himself and business  
Speaker 3     00:12:27    I need to him in, sir, can you raise your right hand? Do you swear the testimony you're about to give, should be the,  
Speaker 9     00:12:36    I do  
Speaker 3     00:12:37    Your name and address please?  
Speaker 9     00:12:39    Michael gore, 11 unami lane, scotch Plains, New Jersey.  
Speaker 3     00:12:45    Thank you. Put your  
Speaker 8     00:12:50    Good evening, Mr. Goomer. Can you just please give a brief introduction of yourself to the board?  
Speaker 9     00:12:56    Yes. Hi. Good, good evening. Everyone I'd like to thank you for your time today. My company contract leasing has been a, I guess, an occupant in Piscataway for approximately 15 years. We were on 1571 Washington avenue, the Avis property, and, and we were subsequently asked to leave because they, they were developing it and putting a warehouse. So we needed a place to go. And we found the new site that we're on. Currently. We currently, our corporate offices are currently in the old paychecks building, which we're also going to have to vacate, and we're gonna have to move to 3 71 hos because they're doing the same thing with the building we're in now, all, all, all albeit a albeit a guess, a prestigious position. I understand that your, your, your positions are unpaid. And so I thank you for your time and your service. And I look forward to, to working with you now and in the future.  
Speaker 8     00:14:18    Okay. Thank you, Mr. Gore. So with the board's permission, what I'd like to do is hold off on any questioning for Mr. Gore at this moment, as I said, my first witness is going to be Michael Marinelli, man engineering. Mr. Marinelli has been the engineer on this project, getting back to the former owner and actually even provided testimony back at the 2012 hearing. So he has more institutional knowledge about this site than anyone you're going to hear tonight. I think he'll be able to answer most if not all of your questions. And then if there are any outstanding questions left over at the end, Mr. Work can can chime in. But I think just for the sake of time, I think Mr. Marinelli would be the better person to handle most of the  
Speaker 1     00:14:57    Questions I, I would like to acknowledge Mr. Gore real quickly and thank him for acknowledging the board and the sacrifices that we make here. So I thank you for acknowledging that, sir, please proceed.  
Speaker 7     00:15:07    Chairman, Chairman, Mr. Chairman, Jason, you asked not to ask any questions. I think it would be helpful if he could just explain what his business is as it's outlined in your application and what he, he intends to do. Cause it seems to be he's seeking additional permits from the county.  
Speaker 8     00:15:32    I'm sorry. You I'm sorry. You broke up at the end. He's seeking additional permits for,  
Speaker 7     00:15:36    From the county to  
Speaker 1     00:15:39    The county.  
Speaker 8     00:15:40    Yes. Okay. Sorry. So that, that, that would be one of, one of his tenants. And as I said, I think Mr. Marinelli can best address all of those issues and he'll, he'll do his best to address everything during his direct testimony and answer all the questions. I think he's probably the best person to address most of those questions.  
Speaker 7     00:15:59    Mr. Core has nothing to do with clean earth.  
Speaker 8     00:16:02    He does not. That's just one of his tenants.  
Speaker 7     00:16:05    Will we have an explanation of that use?  
Speaker 8     00:16:08    Yes. Mr. Marinelli can, can touch upon that during his testimony.  
Speaker 7     00:16:11    Fine.  
Speaker 1     00:16:12    Okay. Please proceed.  
Speaker 3     00:16:15    Mr. Marinelli, could you raise your right hand? You swear the testimony you're about to give should be the truth.  
Speaker 10    00:16:22    I lower my hand on mute myself, but yes I do.  
Speaker 3     00:16:25    Thank you. Your name and address please.  
Speaker 10    00:16:27    Michael Marinelli, M a R I N E L L I of Menlo engineering located 2 61 Cleveland avenue, Highland park, New Jersey.  
Speaker 3     00:16:37    I believe Mr. Marinelli has appeared as an expert engineer before this board on prior occasions.  
Speaker 10    00:16:41    That is correct. I am still a licensed professional in the state of New Jersey and my license hasn't changed since last time I provided professional testimony here.  
Speaker 1     00:16:50    That's good to hear Mr. Marin, please proceed.  
Speaker 10    00:16:53    Thank you. If I may share my screen,  
Speaker 1     00:16:57    Please.  
Speaker 10    00:17:03    Okay. The exhibit you see where everybody should see is an arrow photograph of the subject site. It's entitled 20 Howard street holdings, LLC, existing conditions exhibit dated 6 23 22. I assume we'll be marking this exhibit a one.  
Speaker 10    00:17:25    Okay. As I said, it's an arrow representation of the subject site from, from Google north actually faces to the left. The site has frontages on three, right aways, south avenue runs up and down on the left side of the exhibit again to the left is north. So we're on the side of south avenue. On the Eastern side, we have frontages along Lev Gar street. And then to the, excuse me to the west, we have frontage frontage along Howard street. The site is bound on the south side by the Conrail railroad and the stream runs through the railroad at, at this location. The lot is designated as block 11.02 lot 51 0 1 on the tax maps of the Township of Piscataway. The property's commonly known as 58 Howard street. But as I said, it has frontages on Lev Gar, south and Howard. The primary building with, with that address is located on the third, excuse me.  
Speaker 10    00:18:36    Yeah. The third existing access on the Western side of this site where the, the primary building or office location is, you could see in the, the aerial and I'll zoom in a little bit to just so you can see the, the addresses for 28 Howard, which is the U-shape building on the Western side of the site. As I said, we have frontages on three, three avenues, but there's only access or primary access. On two of those along south avenue, there are three curb cuts. It, it used to be a long, continuous opening, a long south avenue, but the Township in the last three years did improvements along south avenue. And at the time we, we had an approval from our 2013 application that suggested that there would be ultimately three front, three openings or egresses. And those were constructed as part of the south avenue road improvements along Howard street.  
Speaker 10    00:19:43    There are four existing curb cuts that are spaced fairly evenly, along that Western frontage. We're proposing to actually eliminate one of those frontages as part of our memorandum of agreement, which Mr. Har spoke of earlier overall, the proper is approximately 26.2 acres and is located within the M one manufacturing zone. There is a small section in the Northeast corner of the site, where there were, was an existing residential parcel that was subsumed within this larger site that old residential parcel used to lie within the R seven dash five zone. So the, the zone line actually bisex the property slightly in that north Northeast corner on our lower frontage of Lev Gar street, we actually have two frontages along Lev Gar. It it's 935 feet. And then there's a gap of single family homes in a, in a short 25 foot frontage as well, which of course doesn't meet the Township standard.  
Speaker 10    00:21:04    And we were granted relief from that in our 2013 approval. Now you'll see, there is an access point on the Eastern side of the building or Eastern side of the site on Lev Gar street. However that's to be is in its existing condition just in emergency egress. And it will be continued to be an emergency egress based off of our proposal this evening. I'm, I'm gonna switch to the second exhibit, which while mark as exhibit a two, it's entitled 20 Howard street holdings, LLC site plan exhibit dated 6 23, 2 2022. This is the same aerial representation you saw in exhibit a one except we've rendered and shown the proposed site improvements that were in the submitted site plan, as well as the lighting and landscaping turned on for a little bit of clarity, which you'll see in this exhibit is there, there were improvements that were proposed as part of the 2013 approval for both the Lev Gar street and Howard street frontages that included on the, and as part of that approval, it was required or allowed to be phased and be constructed in phases.  
Speaker 10    00:22:27    The Western side Howard street plans were, were put together based on the M memorandum of agreements submitted to the Township engineer and subsequently approved. The applicant has contracted a contractor to do those improvements. As I stated earlier, and I'll zoom in on that Western side, Howard street frontage, as I said earlier, the northernmost access is being eliminated. All of the curbing along Howard street is going to be repoint. And the side sidewalk is going to be added along with curb ADA accessible curb ramps, along that frontage. Again, that's, that's not necessarily part of tonight's approval. It was previously approved and part of the memorandum agreement, but I just wanna give the board or note to the board that, that, that work is, is going to be constructed actually in the near future, a contractor is online. We also, as a condition of that approval, been required, were required to improve the Lev Gar street frontage.  
Speaker 10    00:23:32    And that, that again is along the Eastern side of this site. And I'll zoom into that area as well. We had provided similar improvements, some landscape fencing and, and sidewalk, and that to the Township engineer as well. When we found out that the Township is currently contracted with TNM associates to actually completely redo Lev Gar street, and because their improvements are more significant than the curb and sidewalk that we, we were proposing, it couldn't be done at this time. So the applicant has entered into an agreement with the municipality to do their fair share costs for those future improvements based on what would've been required as part of that 2013 approval. So what we're here this evening for though, again, that's a little bit of history, so that the board who may not have been here 10 years ago, or eight, nine years ago when we were in front of the board, have some understanding of why improvements were shown there, but aren't necessarily part of this application this evening, what we are proposing though.  
Speaker 10    00:24:43    And I'll zoom in now to the Northern most building. And we, we call building a, on our submitted site plans. These are, this is the building along south a, the south avenue frontage on the north of the, of the property. What you, what you'll see here is we're proposing to formalize what is, and if I can flip back quickly to exhibit a one and zoom into the, a similar area, you'll see that there's a lot of paved area out in front of building a, but there's not really a lot of formalized parking in the area. And historically, a lot of trucks have, have been, you know, have staged here and cars parked more haphazard. What we're proposing this evening though, is to formalize a parking area, including, you know, the re necessary ADA spaces, as well as electric vehicle spaces and provide appropriate striping and for circulation as well as landscape buffering and, and lighting.  
Speaker 10    00:25:50    The other thing that we're proposing this evening is to add to the existing masonry building on the south side of the building, there are ex two existing garage doors. Those garages have been used historically to, to repair tractors. They're just deep enough to get a tractor in there and do any repair work that that would be necessary in the past. Actually, there was an autobody shop that, that re resided here that tendon has since left. However, what Mr gore would like to do is bring him, have a, a space available to repair his trailers as well. So we're proposing this evening of 40 by 40 garage extension. So again, there are two garages there. Now we're just extending them out 40, 40 additional feet. So you can get a full trailer in there and they would be able to work on those trailers indoors during times of winter and inclement weather, as part of the improvements to the parking area in the front, you'll see a lot of green area.  
Speaker 10    00:26:55    We, we highlighted that because that's all space that was, is existing pavement. In fact, we're removing approximately 7,000 square foot of existing pavement and providing a 25 foot landscape buffer along the south avenue frontage. You'll see that we've landscaped, we've landscaped that area as well to, to beautify and, and make the, the site itself more aesthetic in all we're pro we're proposing from a landscape perspective, 12 shade trees, two ornamental trees, nine evergreens and 38 evergreen shrubs to, again, along the parking area and along the, the fenced in paved area with re with respect to the fencing, what we're proposing, and this creates a vari condition. We're proposing a six foot vinyl solid fence along the area to better screen the, the, the operations of the industrial use. This is actually going to be true, not only on the, the south avenue frontage, but we're all the applicant's also proposing to replace the existing Chaill four foot high chain link fencing along the Howard street and Lev Gar street frontages wi with a, with a solid fence to provide a more solid and adequate screen.  
Speaker 10    00:28:17    There is, as I said, in the Northeast corner, there were some existing residential lots. The applicant is proposing to expand into that area since it's now part of the industrial, the overall industrial site with some additional trailer storage in the, the stone area. Now, to talk a little bit about the, the tenant CLC is the primary user. And again, the owner of, of the 28 Howard street holdings, they actually occupy building a, and they're gonna utilize this new, new parking area for their, their offices on this site. If you've been out to this site recently, you'll see that the Eastern side of this site has a, is now utilized it wasn't at the time of this aerial, but is now utilized for tractor trailer storage. We provided a tenant document that shows that they can store, you know, 200 trailers at this location and still provide safe egress in and outta this site, along this Eastern side, if I may flip to my third exhibit, since we're on the topic of tenants, this was a submitted document.  
Speaker 10    00:29:32    So I don't think it has to be edited to the record as an exhibit. This is the 10 tenant exhibit dated December 6th, 2021. As you, when we gained approval from this board, along with all the use variances back in 2013, there were 16 tenants on site, and a majority of them were fly by night landscape companies. You could see that the current owner has dwindled that number all the way down to seven existing tenants, four of which are 10 tenants with long leases from the original owner, including Abby Hart, which is Don designated in the center of the exhibit as, as area four, that's the block company. They also utilize most of the office at 28 Howard street and the, and the parking in existing parking in that area star cycle, which is now clean earth or associated with clean earth. It continues in, in space six it's the Southern Southwestern most tenant.  
Speaker 10    00:30:50    I think Mr. Chadwick had, had, had requested a little bit more testimony regarded to their operations. What they do is they, they bring containers, drums really in tractor trailers to, and from this site and, and then distribute them or bring them to places where I, if it is either contaminated soil and or historic fill, they can then test it and ship it back out or dispose of it offsite in appropriate manners. The application before the county and D E P was just to not intensify their existing use, but to just broaden the spectrum of materials that they can have on site to include more solid waste, not just dirt, but more solid waste, that those applications were actually approved on both of those levels by those agencies and were, they're just looking to continue to operate the way they do today, where they bring in tractor trailers with barrels of material test and find out what, what the material is, and then export it offsite in the same containers that they came in in via tractor trailer.  
Speaker 8     00:32:05    So, Mr. Marinelli, I'm just gonna, I'm just gonna jump in real quick and just ask you a few questions about this, if you don't mind. So it it's true that this is, this is a, a transfer station only, correct? Yes. For them. So it's a, and it's known as what they call a, a 10 day facility, correct?  
Speaker 10    00:32:20    Yes.  
Speaker 8     00:32:21    Which means that all, any waste that comes on the facility must be rerouted to another approved location within 10 days, correct?  
Speaker 10    00:32:27    That's  
Speaker 8     00:32:27    Correct. Okay. And, and they come and seal containers and the containers remain sealed. I don't, I, I, I think you might have said that they're tested, nothing's tested on site, correct. It's more of just a transfer station.  
Speaker 10    00:32:39    I'm sorry. I misspoke in, in testing. Yes. They, they transfer them from this location.  
Speaker 8     00:32:43    Okay. So yeah, they, yeah, they come, they come sealed. And so the only, my understanding is the only, the only real change here with respect to the clean earth applications that clean earth made was just the types of materials that are in those containers, but nothing else is gonna change with respect to their operation as far as you know,  
Speaker 10    00:33:03    That's correct. And again, they have been reviewed and approved by the county and DP, and they, from what I understand, they've received those approvals already.  
Speaker 9     00:33:13    I'd also, I'm sorry to interrupt you, Mike, but I'd also like to add that that actually, what, what their, their, their permit is to store temporarily store, as Jason had said, non-hazardous non risible retail waste. So it's not even hazardous dirt. It's just retail waste.  
Speaker 8     00:33:36    All right. Thank thanks Mr. Go. I appreciate that. Okay, Mike, I think, I think that hits the, the clean earth, if you wanna.  
Speaker 10    00:33:44    Okay.  
Speaker 7     00:33:45    So, so question barrel,  
Speaker 10    00:33:54    The question,  
Speaker 7     00:33:55    John barrel. Okay. Do you take the barrels off the trucks? Are they steward someplace on the ground?  
Speaker 10    00:34:02    Not in internal to the building from my understanding. Yeah. They're, they're not stored outside. They're brought in on trucks, brought in and then transferred to different trucks. And, and as Mr hark said earlier, it's a 10 day facility. So they can't stay on site longer than 10 days.  
Speaker 8     00:34:18    It's  
Speaker 10    00:34:19    If they come off the truck at all,  
Speaker 7     00:34:21    Because your application seem to indicate there's quite a volume involved here, large number of trucks.  
Speaker 8     00:34:31    So the, so Mr. Chadwick, this, this is, this is, this is with respect to this 10, this tenant only they're, they're not involved with any of the trailers or, or the trucks. This is a separate tenant. That's, that's operating, just bringing these, bringing these containers in, stirring them inside only. And then it's a 10 day facility and they flip them back out to another facility within that 10 day period. This is separate. And apart from the trailers that that contract leasing and or the Gilbert company may have on the site,  
Speaker 7     00:35:03    Does Township, this particular use  
Speaker 8     00:35:15    The, the, the it's, the memorandum agreement does not deal with any of the particular uses. Other than that, we would need to get use variance approval for the, the non-permitted uses, which would be the, the landscaping companies. And I, my colleague, Richard OWK, who is, is here this evening, as well as I introduced him at the beginning. He can also speak this as  
Speaker 1     00:35:36    Well. Good. Hi, everyone. Mr. Dacey. And I worked on this application together and we've been, it's a large application. So I just, I suspect I know who you are, but could you identify yourself for the record? I apologize, Jim Richard Jayski Jr. For Molin Feldman LLP for the applicant. Thank you. So, as it relates to clean earth and Stericycle, I can understand the board's concerns as a sitting board member, myself and another municipality. We deal with things like this all the time. And it's one of the things that Mr go and I spoke about at length. It's a transfer station. And one of the benefits to the Township is that it's highly regulated above anything from the Township or even the county and the state it's, it's federally regulated when you're dealing with waste and fill. So what they do is in my understanding is that it's simply a transfer station, as it relates to the memorandum of understanding. This is a permitted use to the memorandum of understanding, dealt with the improvements to the perimeter of the property. And that's what we're here for today, but it is a permitted use on the site and has been a permitted use for many years. So Mr. Chadwick, the concerns that you have about them storing any fill outside they're they're well understood, but those aren't concerns. They do everything internally. It's actually a, a nice facility and they even beyond us as a landlord, have to comply with all state and federal regulations.  
Speaker 7     00:37:01    My basic concern was we were gonna have hazardous waste, which you've just said is that it does not involve some form of liquid hazardous waste, which is a prohibited activity in Township.  
Speaker 1     00:37:16    That's correct. Mr. Chadwick, it does not inform some form of liquid hazardous waste. We're not dealing with  
Speaker 7     00:37:23    The memo of agreement, doesn't address this. So the board's resolution, if they approve, should  
Speaker 1     00:37:30    Mr. Chadwick, I, I would only tend to differ in that. It, it is a, it is a permitted use in, in terms of if, if Stericycle's applying for additional permitting then, and the board wants to resolve to, you know, make note of it. We always accept the board's resolutions. I, I agree with that. But one thing I would say is that it's our understanding that this is not a hazardous facility where waste is coming on site and being opened from barrels and being tested on site.  
Speaker 7     00:37:59    I would you describe is what the permits in, you know, business model that they have. Let's just make sure we detail what you are.  
Speaker 1     00:38:13    Very good. So, I mean, Mr. Mr. Marinelli, do, do you have anything to add? I mean, I think your understanding was what you testified to, correct.  
Speaker 10    00:38:25    That's correct. And it, I just would like to note that it, it was Stericycle was part of the 2013 application and what IST is an approved use on site. And again, we're not, we're changing the types of materials on site, but they're still nontoxic, but it's still the same use in operations that has existed for the last 15 years at, at this site.  
Speaker 0     00:38:52    Okay.  
Speaker 5     00:38:57    Mr. Marinelli, Henry here. Quick question. The, the additional materials that you're looking to bring on with the expansion of the permitting you talked about, I think it was retail waste or industrial waste that is not hazardous material. That's more just standard retail waste. And will that be sealed containers as well and only  
Speaker 10    00:39:22    That's correct. It's, non-hazardous, non-toxic retail material that is transported to, and from the site, but not opened or stored external to the building.  
Speaker 0     00:39:39    Thank you.  
Speaker 10    00:39:42    So again, we're here, the CNNs talk about the improvements along south avenue. I just kind of wanted to go through again, the history of the, the tenants that did exist on site, the tenants exist today and then the future operations. Again, Mr. Gore runs a company that has tra trailers track the trailers that he leases across the country. And as he's stated, he's been in multiple locations in Piscataway and likes it here and found the opportunity to buy this particular property. Even though he knew he was gonna have to do some work to, to dress it up and, and make it more aesthetic. Getting back to the lighting landscape. I went through the landscape. We're also providing proposed lighting for this proposed formalized parking area on the north side of this site. It, it includes three pole mounted fixtures. It has been asked by your professionals that we make those dark sky compliant, L E D down casting fixtures.  
Speaker 10    00:40:44    Of course, we, the applicant agrees to comply with that. The, the submitted design called for a seven foot candle minimum and a 2.43 average. So it's a, you know, a safe light lighting condition is not over, over lit in this area. They would be on timers, of course used only when necessary. And during hours of operations in this area from a stormwater management perspective, as I said, we're removing 7,000 square feet of existing asphalt and providing landscape. So there no stormwater management is required. Generally speaking, the, the, the drainage in this area of improvement drains from the, the building a on the Northern side towards south avenue, we're not changing the drainage pattern on site. In fact, most of this is parking lot is existing pavement. That is gonna be milled and overlaid to provide a nice clean surface and then adequately striped, you know, for safe parking totaling, 25 parking spaces in this area, a building of this size requires 16 parking spaces. So we're actually above what would be required, but making sure that we have adequate space for the applicant. I don't know if you, the board wants me to go through all of the nonconforming or nonconformances the site has in the existing condition, because they were approved as part of our 2013 approval as existing nonconformances. And I just wanted, wanted to confirm whether you wanted those to rehash that, or if it, if they would just be continued, continued variance conditions,  
Speaker 3     00:42:36    If the board previously approved it, then I don't think there's a need to go through that, that detail  
Speaker 10    00:42:43    And just to highlight them quickly. There were, there, there are a few structures on site that had existing setbacks. I spoke to the short 25 foot Lev Gar frontage that caused both a width and frontage issue. And then as you can see from the aerial, the existing site is stone. In most of most areas where there's loading the parking areas are in fact paved, but the, the loading areas are stone. And that was a waiver that was again, approved back in 2013 and will be a continuing condition.  
Speaker 0     00:43:18    Good  
Speaker 7     00:43:26    Was the detail of the, in the Skype plan.  
Speaker 10    00:43:35    I heard you, I heard Mr. Chadwick. I'm just trying to see what page it was on so I can refer to it. It was included on page 10 of the submitted site plans, construction details, one it's in the upper left corner. It calls for a six foot hi, solid vinyl  
Speaker 5     00:44:00    Making that color other than white don't know how good white gonna blend with an industrial site.  
Speaker 7     00:44:11    That's exactly where I was going. Emory also that don't when headlights them don't shine, they're muted. And if we disagree that we'd have a  
Speaker 5     00:44:28    Agreed  
Speaker 7     00:44:30    Non-white non-reflective fence.  
Speaker 8     00:44:32    Yeah, we are completely, we are completely fine with, with non-white fence.  
Speaker 1     00:44:39    I believe non-reflective was also  
Speaker 8     00:44:41    That's. Yeah.  
Speaker 1     00:44:43    Okay.  
Speaker 7     00:44:46    There's one other question. While you have this chart, that triangular area next to the new driveway access, how are you gonna get in and outta there?  
Speaker 10    00:45:00    It it'll be just an, basically an expansion. Instead of being the parking area with south, with south avenue, it'll be part of the trailer storage area, and we're running the fence along the 25 foot front yard setback  
Speaker 7     00:45:17    Trailers are gonna be out there. Now.  
Speaker 10    00:45:20    That is correct. Similar how they are on the Eastern side of the, of that second egress on south avenue.  
Speaker 7     00:45:31    Okay.  
Speaker 1     00:45:35    Anything else, John?  
Speaker 7     00:45:37    No.  
Speaker 1     00:45:37    Okay.  
Speaker 7     00:45:38    Oh, well, clean up, you got a list of tenants eight and you got seven sites on the, on the plan.  
Speaker 10    00:45:47    I'm not sure the confusion there, Mr. Chadwick. Again, I, I, I had up the third, the third exhibit I showed, there are seven tenants  
Speaker 7     00:45:57    Listed.  
Speaker 10    00:45:58    I can,  
Speaker 8     00:45:59    Mr. Mr. Chadwick, I can actually speak to that. The original submission when we made this last year in the fall, there were eight tenants. If I, in my opening, I talked to you about the four use variant temporary use variances that we got in the fall. Two of the tenants left the site, which brought us to six. We, we, we took on a new tenant, which is the other trailer company east, the Gilbert group that became tenant seven. So that's, that's the disconnect. If you're looking at the original list, you'll see, you'll see, eight tenants. There was a resubmission made in the fall with a new list of the seven tenants.  
Speaker 7     00:46:44    Has these delineated different, the board assume the board approves its plan. Is this what you're gonna have to live with in the future? Or could some of these be further subdivided? And does the memorandum agreement limit your number of tenants?  
Speaker 8     00:47:09    The memorandum agreement does not limit the number of tenants. This is not a subdivision. We're not contemplating any subdivisions. The Township professionals just asked us to provide the, to prepare and provide this plan just so we can give a rough outline as to where the tenants are located and how we would, how people would would get around this site. This is not meant to be a representation of limits on anyone's property. It's just a, an idea of where they're located. There, there may be tenants that leave. There may be tenants that come in. Obviously if they're permitted uses proper, the proper channels with respect to getting cos or getting approvals for new tenants. If, if it's a not permitted use, obviously we'd have to come back before you for, for a use variance of some kind. But for the, for the sake of this exhibit, it's mainly just to show kind of the location of each tenant, roughly, and how, how they would traverse the site.  
Speaker 10    00:48:07    And if I may add Mr. Chadwick, the, the two tenants that currently are nonconforming are the two landscape tenants, which are seven, which is the area on this, on the Eastern side of this site on Howard street and five, which is Daz. Those are the two tenants that are, are that we're the reason we're here for use variants. Those two tenants are non-compliant uses within, within the zone. And those are the two specific tenants that we need approval for this evening.  
Speaker 7     00:48:38    And this site's been bouncing around in front of the Township now for decades. Now, your client is obviously seems to have stepped up to the plate, done something. You know, somebody goes and looks at the records 10 years from now and says, wait a minute, these locations don't bear any relationship to what's going on out there. And now we're back in a big mess trying to figure out. So this map is going to be, it's included in the site plan application, but is not binding on tenant location.  
Speaker 8     00:49:16    Agreed your Mr. Mr. Chadwick, my client is looking to make this there for lack of a better term forever home. He he's looking to make this, his, his, his space in Piscataway. Obviously he talked at the beginning about being a Piscataway for some time, it's gonna be his flagship flagship location, and he's inherited some of these tenants. Mr. Marly can talk about the history and I'm sure a lot of people on the, a lot of members of the board know the history of the site back in 20 12, 20 13, there were upwards of it's like 16 tenants. And I would say eight to 10 that were either landscapers that needed use variances were down now to the two. They and truthfully in a, in a perfect world, he would have fewer tenants, not less. And he is looking to deal with with more national, larger companies. But obviously he has the, the hand he's been dealt with some, with some of his tenants that have on preexisting leases. So I'm not gonna stand here before you and say that the tenants may not change over time, but this map is just, like I said, a, a kind of a general location of where people are to date and things may, may in fact change over  
Speaker 7     00:50:26    Time. But hopefully only for the better we're beating this to death, this map is not finding on two tenants or existing tenants in terms of their allocated space. It is show what existed on 6 23, 22. Exactly. Perfect.  
Speaker 10    00:50:52    And that concludes my direct testimony.  
Speaker 1     00:50:54    Great. Anybody on the board have questions for Mr.  
Speaker 5     00:51:00    Dacey  
Speaker 1     00:51:07    Impact?  
Speaker 10    00:51:11    Surely item one is re regarding the affordable housing obligation. Obviously the, the applicant would agree to comply. We spoke in depth related to testimony for the use variance, although it's not a use variance for the stereo cycle cleaners, that's a permitted, that's a permitted use, but we clarified what that use is all DP permits shall be secured. In fact, the site already has a flood hazard verification, as well as a wetland LOI. None of the proposed improvements are impacted impacted by those or the buffers included in those. We, we agreed to have the creating and drainage plan reviewed by the Township engineer, Charlie Carley, and DNR route route in engineering. Again, it's an overall reduction in previous coverage, so still more management wasn't necessary, but we will definitely confirm that with Mr. Mr. Carley item five, relates to Mr. Herrera's memo in Mr. Herrera's memo.  
Speaker 10    00:52:14    I'd just like to clarify, he speaks to some of the Howard street improvements. Again, those are part of the MOA and have already been approved in our, our slated to be constructed. So other than those comments with Mr Herrera's memo, we, we would agree to comply. He had some comments related to the types of curbing striping and pavement utilized on the site. And we of course, would provide those details as, as a condition to the approval. We did receive approval from the fire commissioner. It was submitted. It was given to us this week from the Township representatives. I provide testimony that we, we will meet the EV parking requirements in this new parking area, title 39 will be granted. The, the applicant agrees to that condition. I believe item nine is a comment related to the old site plan and the south avenue improvements I'm unaware of any future south avenue improvements considering they were just done in the last five years, but should there be any  
Speaker 5     00:53:17    For the leftover I  
Speaker 10    00:53:18    Think, yeah, I think so. So in item nine, obviously the south avenue improvements have already been completed and we wouldn't need to address that item 10. I spoke to the improvements as part of the MOA and the Lev Gar street improvements and our fair share contributions. Those are in conformance with that curb and sidewalk construction plans provided to the municipality. I provide testimony that we would provide L E D lighting on site, and the applicant agrees to provide additional buffering along the Western side. I'm sorry, along the Eastern side of the proposed parking area to further buffer the existing residences on that side. And then these documentation from Middlesex county shall be provided upon approval.  
Speaker 1     00:54:05    Okay. Henry, any other questions, Henry? We good? Okay. Jason, any other witnesses?  
Speaker 8     00:54:20    Yes, our planner, Mr. Paul Greel.  
Speaker 1     00:54:23    Okay,  
Speaker 11    00:54:25    Good evening, Mr.  
Speaker 3     00:54:25    Greel, could you raise your right hand?  
Speaker 11    00:54:27    Yes. You  
Speaker 3     00:54:28    Swear the testimony you're to give should be the truth.  
Speaker 11    00:54:30    I do.  
Speaker 3     00:54:31    I believe Mr. Greel has been accepted as a professional planner before this on prior occasions.  
Speaker 11    00:54:37    Thank you for this particular site a year or so ago.  
Speaker 1     00:54:41    Please proceed. Can we unha the screen please? Yes. Thank you.  
Speaker 3     00:54:45    Yeah. Mr. Marinelli, can you unha the screen?  
Speaker 0     00:54:48    Thank you,  
Speaker 1     00:54:52    Jason. Hi, Mr. Greg.  
Speaker 8     00:54:55    Okay. Mr. Mr. Regel, I'm assuming you're familiar with the C you said you testified, you testified in the fall of the temporary use permit. So I will, I will turn the mic over to you.  
Speaker 11    00:55:06    Great. Thank you. Good evening. The purpose of our review here in this application is again for the second phase, if you will, if at least in my involvement for the use variance. So it's such, I've reviewed the application and documents visit the site and surrounding area reviewed the township's master plan and zoning ordinance. As we've heard the properties and existing developed site, that's over 26 acres in the area. I won't belabor the details of the property. The board's been discussing. It is very familiar with it. Thank you, sir. For the record, the issue with regard to the uniqueness of the site is it has frontage on multiple streets on Howard street, south avenue, LeVar street, as well as the Lehigh valley railroad. And we have a variety of non residential uses on it as well from the surrounding area. It is located in the M one zone industrial district, which permits a wide range of non residential uses, including all uses in the BP and I one zones.  
Speaker 11    00:56:00    So we're talking about offices, manufacturing, warehousing, shipping, and receiving as well as board of other uses. The board of adjustment may approve that are similar in character. So we, however we do have the requirement to get a use variant for this property for the current proposed uses for the landscaping, as well as other commercial uses, as we mentioned, there was temporary use for granted previously. So now we're seeking to essentially formalize everything. The physical changes aside are limited to what you've heard about earlier this evening. So I'll go right to the abuse variance proofs that we can come back to. Any other issues that you like, in my opinion, as a planner, I believe that they can be addressed as the board as I'm sure, well aware a use variance applicant needs to deal with both the positive and negative criteria. So the positive relates to the particular suitability of a site.  
Speaker 11    00:56:49    That's one of many, a few different ways that you can demonstrate the positive criteria in this case. I believe that is the instance. We also have to address the negative criteria that there's no substantial detriment to the public good or to the master planner zoning ordinance. So I'll focus first on the positive criteria that we need to address. In my opinion, the subject property is certainly particularly suitable for the proposed uses, given the site's size shape arrangement location. It's 26 acres has the street frontages. I mentioned as well as large interior areas. Having multiple access points allows for the variety of uses that exist and are proposed that helps disperse traffic as well. In fact, one of these also south avenues, a a main road that is also characterized by other industrial uses. So from a land use character point of view, we certainly are, are dealing with a very similar type of uses.  
Speaker 11    00:57:43    It also connects to the broader road network south avenue. So we have good access for the proposed mix of uses. The existing overall use of the property has been well established. We've heard that the Township is very familiar with it, but we're also looking though to improve it as has been discussed through adding fencing and landscaping to help mitigate visual impacts. We're also limiting our physical changes to really improve the site within its setting. So I think for those reasons, the property is certainly particularly suitable for the, for the use that's proposed and exists today as to the negative criteria. Again, this is relatively straightforward, I think from a planning point of view, given all the testimony you've heard in the prior discussion of this site, I think there'll be no substantial detriments to the public good given that the site's currently developed for multiple uses, including those, for which the variances are being the variance is being sought.  
Speaker 11    00:58:32    It's my understanding. There's been no big issues with the operations on the site, but even where there have been any, you know, potential problems we've been trying to address them and are looking to address them going forward through the mitigation that's been discussed with the Township and has proposed this evening. And even though the uses are not maybe strictly permitted the M one zone, they're essentially the same in terms of layout and potential impacts. For that matter. Again, neighboring properties are used to the property being developed with multiple similar commercial uses and industrial uses, which are permitted in this zone. So I think by upgrading the parking design, improving the conditions on the property, adding landscaping and lighting and other improvements, there would be no substantial negative impacts. In fact, there'd be, I think some positive impacts on the surrounding area to essentially formalize the arrangement and to improve its conditions.  
Speaker 11    00:59:21    Lastly, in terms of the use variance, the zone plan and zone or its impacts, again, the M one zone permits, a range of uses that are essentially the same in terms of layout and potential impacts. The Township determine this is an appropriate location for co industrial and commercial uses. And we're just simply looking to improve what you have there today. I think given the uniqueness of the site, it's longstanding history and the history of the applicant trying to improve it. I think that the, from a planning point of view, there may no substantial detrimental impacts on Piscataway master plan or zoning efforts. So in summary, with regard to use variance being sought, I believe it can be granted in accordance with the applicable criteria. Just briefly, if you like Mr. Uck, we can do what the C variance is, but they're limited in nature, but I believe they can also be granted in accordance with the statutory criteria for C2 variances regarding the benefits outweighing the detriments and furthering the purposes of zoning. If you like, I can continue or  
Speaker 8     01:00:17    Yeah, if you can touch, if you can touch upon those quickly, Mr. Bridal.  
Speaker 11    01:00:21    Yes, certainly again, we're, again, the proposal is really, again, limited to trying to improve what we have there today. So we're dealing with, for example, the fencing for six foot solid vinyl fencing, as opposed to four foot, that's 50% solid. This is to intended to provide better screening than with permitted fencing. Likewise, with regard to, you know, in terms of the site itself, we have multiple long front yards, so it is difficult to comply with the standard, given the arrangement of the property in terms of one other variance for parking area that we're looking to add stone trailer storage area, which essentially continue what exists in terms of the surfacing. That is the case that we will be continuing that and not looking to really expand the area greatly, but just to essentially better accommodate the use that's on the property. And then lastly, we have the issue of the parking stall size with regard to that the nine by 18 spaces that are proposed are standard for residential uses statewide, but even also for pretty much all our uses other than high turnover retail. So I don't think there's any reason to provide larger spaces for the types of uses we have here would only increase paved area without, without any benefits. So I think in summary, again, those C2 variances can be granted under the applicable criteria.  
Speaker 8     01:01:36    Perfect. So just to sum everything up in your professional opinion, does this application satisfy the necessary criteria for approval for the board for both use and both variance standards?  
Speaker 11    01:01:46    Yes. For the reasons I've stated it based on the prior testimony. Yes, I do believe so.  
Speaker 8     01:01:51    Any questions, Mr. Greg? Sorry. Mr. Dacey. I stepped on you.  
Speaker 1     01:01:55    That's okay. Does anyone on the board, any questions ORs, Hey, Mr. Dacey this application  
Speaker 5     01:02:08    Questions have some questions. Sure. My questions would be regarding these landscaping uses that nothing was really brought up about bulk storage or materials that the landscape operations maintain on the premises. They have bulk storage, soil mulch Diaz does tree removal. I think I don't see a real big issue with the, the uses other than the fact that I believe that, you know, any type of bulk storage on the premises probably should be prohibited, should be limited to, to, I think, material that are contain in, in bags. We don't need, I think decaying, mulch smells affect mul smells of affecting the neighbors or, or, or again should be disposed of by these tree companies, inappropriate manner, not brought to this site to be stockpile. And those would be my, I think biggest concerns is that, you know, any PED or bulk storage be contained in, I height as a or any limitations that perhaps of the tenants bulk  
Speaker 3     01:03:32    That. Okay.  
Speaker 8     01:03:33    Okay. Mr. Interesting. I, I don't believe there's, there's currently any bulk storage going on. I know that that Diaz may keep their mulch in some trail dump trailers or in containers, but no, no piles, as far as I know, I, I don't believe that's what the site's ever been used for. It's mostly garage and for their, for their equipment within, like I said, the mulch in, in trailers.  
Speaker 5     01:03:56    OK. Would have a problem with that being a condition of the approval. Correct?  
Speaker 8     01:04:02    I do not. I don't, I don't believe so  
Speaker 3     01:04:04    Great,  
Speaker 10    01:04:06    Mr. Hinterstein if I may, two of the conditions of the previous approval were exactly that, that no outdoor storage of wood chips or paving material piles would be permitted and any storage piles will be limited to the 12 and a or height of a trailer so that we would be consistent with that previous  
Speaker 3     01:04:29    Proposing. Are you proposing bulk storage in piles up to 12 and a half feet on the ground?  
Speaker 10    01:04:37    Well, I think Mr. Hinterstein spoke to Abby Hart has bulk materials, including block and brick stored out outside. So this is in pile. We, we would not have piles of loose materials, including MULD wood chips or PA pavement, you know, millings of asphalt, things of that nature. But there is bulk storage of materials that exist on site and have for the last 20 years with limitations on height.  
Speaker 3     01:05:08    So Mr. Hinterstein, are you suggesting that the bulk storage of mulch be limited to in trailers only, but otherwise they could store it on the ground up to 12 and a half feet?  
Speaker 5     01:05:21    No, I'm saying there should be no loose material storage on the ground only material that could be stack block material stuff that could be palletized. Even when I say loose, I mean, you know, as was described soil, fill things of that nature, salt that could be either in bags or parameters or some of contain containers,  
Speaker 3     01:05:51    But you're okay with block.  
Speaker 5     01:05:53    Yes, I'm okay. With most critical bulk materials, long as they're not loose in nature, like was stated piles of stone, black mulch, wood chips, things of that nature that could  
Speaker 1     01:06:13    So, so Mr. Kinneally and Mr. Gayle, the applicant is fine with that. We understand. And Mr. Kinneally will work on any resolution language if necessary that's satisfactory to the  
Speaker 3     01:06:23    Board. Sounds good.  
Speaker 1     01:06:26    Does that include the language that Mr. Chadwick used about the liquid materials  
Speaker 3     01:06:32    That that would be included? Yes. Yes.  
Speaker 1     01:06:34    It would be. Okay. Any other members of the board of any questions for this application hearing? None. I'm gonna open it to the public. Anyone in the public portion have any questions about this particular application?  
Speaker 2     01:06:49    No one  
Speaker 1     01:06:49    Chairman, no one. Okay. Would it close the public portion? And I would make a motion to approve this application with the language put forward by Henry Hinterstein and John Chadwick. Can I get a second?  
Speaker 7     01:07:02    There's one there's one. The prior resolution you're not asking to modify any of those conditions, correct?  
Speaker 3     01:07:12    I'm sorry, John, can you say that again  
Speaker 7     01:07:14    In the prior resolutions of, for the various either site plan or temporary use, or what have you, you're not asking to modify any of those conditions, correct.  
Speaker 3     01:07:28    Those conditions remain in full force and effect unless specifically changed by this application.  
Speaker 7     01:07:33    Okay. And they didn't offer anything to that extent, then I, as I get it, other than the  
Speaker 8     01:07:40    Mr. Mr. Marin, Mr. Marinelli, I'll defer to you on that respect to the tactical nature.  
Speaker 10    01:07:46    No, we didn't provide any testimony to, to change any of the conditions of the prior approval.  
Speaker 7     01:07:51    Okay.  
Speaker 1     01:07:55    My approval still is on the board. Did Mr. De Kalpesh second? Yes, he did. Good. Let's call the role  
Speaker 2     01:08:05    Mr. Weisman. Yes. Mr. Tillery.  
Speaker 7     01:08:09    Yes.  
Speaker 2     01:08:10    Mr. Patel.  
Speaker 7     01:08:11    Yes.  
Speaker 2     01:08:13    Mr. Blount?  
Speaker 1     01:08:15    Yes. Mr. Hidaka. Yes. And Chairman kale. Yes.  
Speaker 3     01:08:20    We will memorialize this approval at our next meeting in a couple of weeks. And I'll be in touch with you over certain language to discuss for the resolution.  
Speaker 1     01:08:28    Thanks. Mr. Dacey. Have a great night, gentlemen. Thank you board. Thank you. Let's move along to item number 1122, ZB dash 11 slash 12 V DF Osborne construction.  
Speaker 12    01:08:44    Thank you, Mr. Chairman, my name is Mike Bonner from the firm of JBA. Warga cetera. We're here tonight for a preliminary and final site plan approval, which will include continuation of existing bulk variances and new variances related to the charging station installation as permitted accessory structures, properties located in the se shopping center zone. And it is currently operated as a shopping center by Kimco the applicant plans to install transformer, charging stations, power cabinets, switch gear, signage, and to reconfigure four parking spaces reconfigure the parking. So there are four designated EV charging stations. They'll be relocating one light pole, which is near the equipment, adding some landscaping and screening of the equipment being installed. And I would point out that this use is permitted for New Jersey statute and your local ordinance as a permitted accessory use. Before I get to our witnesses, I would like to mention that we received a staff report and, and then a revised staff report last month, just before the meeting and we elected to adjourn.  
Speaker 12    01:10:01    As we tried to get Kimco and the Township to work out a couple of the issues that were mentioned in Mr. Hinterstein report, those two issues are construction of a sidewalk. And I guess, rejuvenation of some of the landscaping on the site, it's our understanding that Kimco has been in touch with the Township and they have, again, we're being told by Kimco that they worked out an understanding that the landscaping could be taken care of within the next year. The sidewalk issue is a much larger consideration. It's not part of their capital budget for this year, but they are working with an engineer and with the local utility companies, because there's possibility that some items might not be relocated, but they're willing to sit down with the Township and work out the details of the schedule to put that sidewalk in, in the future. But they can't commit to a timeline right now after our witnesses, we do have a, a representative of Kimco on the call tonight. If you had any questions for him regarding what I've just stated, I would like to introduce, we have three witnesses tonight. We have a representative of the applicant, Mr. Steven Osborne. We have the surveyor of the property and we have a professional planner. Mr. Kinneally. We can swear them all now, or we can do them one at a time, whatever. He I'll  
Speaker 3     01:11:35    Go one at a time. Who do you wanna  
Speaker 12    01:11:36    Call first? Okay. Our first would be Jim Watson, the surveyor on the property, and I see him on the screen.  
Speaker 3     01:11:46    Mr. Watson, can you raise your right hand? Do you swear the testimony you're about to give me the truth?  
Speaker 1     01:11:50    Yes, I do  
Speaker 3     01:11:52    Your name and address  
Speaker 1     01:11:52    Please. Sure. James Watson, Eka associates 3 28 park avenue, scotch Plains, New Jersey.  
Speaker 3     01:11:59    Thank you.  
Speaker 12    01:12:00    Can you go through your qualifications, Jim? And sure. Describe your familiarity with the work you did on the site.  
Speaker 1     01:12:06    Yeah, not a problem. I'm a licensed professional land surveyor in the state of New Jersey, as well as New York. In addition to that, I'm a licensed planner in the state of New Jersey appointed positions. Over the years, I've been the planner for the borough of Carter at the Township of union and the public advocate of the Township of Warren I've appeared probably last count was over 1100 times. I've never been turned down as an expert, familiar with Mr. Chadwick,  
Speaker 3     01:12:32    Mr. Chairman, I believe Mr. Watson,  
Speaker 12    01:12:33    Mr. Watson's credentials are, are, are  
Speaker 1     01:12:36    Perfect.  
Speaker 12    01:12:37    Thank you. Proceed  
Speaker 1     01:12:38    You  
Speaker 12    01:12:39    Rather than ask Mr. Watson questions, I will let him describe the existing site and what the plans are in the area that's affected by our applications.  
Speaker 1     01:12:51    Sure. If I can, I'd like to share my screen, see if I can get the sheet three up of the site plan. That's probably the easiest thing to talk with. Okay,  
Speaker 3     01:13:02    Go ahead.  
Speaker 1     01:13:04    We go, come on. Oh, there it is. Okay. Can everyone see that? Yes. Okay. Yep. There you go. This is sheet three in the site plan application. It's probably just easier to have a picture and just leave it here. Tonight's application is at Piscataway town center. It's 9.57 acres in the SC zone. As Mr. Bonner alluded to we're on the Southeast corner of Centennial and Washington avenues in this strip mall, for lack of a better word. ShopRite is the main anchor store and it's flanked by the Applebee's in the smash burger. We are near the Applebee's restaurant. You can see part of the building to the east of where the proposed parking stalls are proposed. The site we're discussing tonight is located in the westerly corner of the property and is visible from Washington avenue. We're re striping and adding about a hundred square feet of pave pavement. And that's down in this area here where my cursor is, there's a hatched. And the reason we're doing that is because of the handicap accessibility. We're sliding the paved area down so that we can get the same number of parking spaces that are there now, which is 13.  
Speaker 1     01:14:25    The project consists of four charging stations in front of four parking spaces, one handicapped accessible spaces. There we have one transformer pad proposed and a switching pad with associated landscaping and lighting. The new variances that come along with this application are all for the switch gear and, and the like we are asking for front yard setback, variances for the switch gear, the transformer and the charging stations. And we're also asking for a side yard setback for the transformer. There was some questions and, and some  
Speaker 12    01:15:03    Discussion, excuse me, Mr. Watson. But just to be clear, none of the existing variances are being affected by our installation,  
Speaker 1     01:15:10    Correct? Correct. Nothing is changing. The number of parking spaces remains the same before and after this application goes through. Thank you. Go ahead. Sure. We had a couple of rounds of discussions about where to put this. There was some discussion about the orientation of some things. Basically we set this whole thing up to avoid a multitude of easements that are in the area. That's the reason the transformer pad is angled at, as it is because it's parallel with the easements. There's a Verizon easement. There's also a gas easement and utilities in the area, and everything is parallel with this pad. That's why we oriented it the way we did also. There's some floodplain issues out there. We did this out of to keep mainly everything we're doing out of a flood way, which is on south Washington avenue and wraps around the southwesterly portion of our property and goes along the back of this strip wall.  
Speaker 1     01:16:13    We also wanted to keep it away from the main mall building and close to accessible power supply. The, unfortunately we left off the pole location when we showed this, but there is a main power pole that's right in this area that we're going to use for our power. We also didn't wanna be intrusive to the businesses in the center. Sometimes you'll see malls have these charging stations right up front or on the outskirts, right near the main entrances. We wanted to push this off to the side. And one of the benefits is it's visible from was south Washington avenue. With that being said, it's also a plus and the planner will touch on this. People can come here and access the site just for the charging station while they're waiting, they can make use of the mall. So it's a benefit for the mall and the businesses in the mall itself with that. That's basically what we're doing. If you have questions about what you see,  
Speaker 12    01:17:14    One, one thing, Jim, in the staff report, memorandum and revised memorandum, there was mention of the, of the poll that will be added. The relocation of that poll will be added to the final plans, correct? Correct. And I don't think there was anything else in the staff report that had to do with the plans other than the possibly the landscape buffering and, and adding some, maybe additional plant things around the, the equipment.  
Speaker 1     01:17:43    Yeah. And, and we can work with, with your professionals, we'll put in whatever you need. It's not a big deal. It's a small, we're just trying to screen this thing as much as possible. So it's not an eyesore.  
Speaker 12    01:17:54    And I believe in Mr. Chadwick report, he mentioned that there's an ID sign shown in the construction details. That's not shown on the plans that will be added in the final plans too, correct?  
Speaker 1     01:18:05    Correct.  
Speaker 12    01:18:06    Okay. Thank you. I have nothing further for Mr. Watson.  
Speaker 1     01:18:09    Do any of the members of the board have any questions for Mr. Watson? No questions.  
Speaker 7     01:18:17    I brief briefly, do you know the size of these pieces of equipment?  
Speaker 12    01:18:22    Well, we have a representative of the applicant who will be able to give that type of testimony. Okay.  
Speaker 7     01:18:27    Okay.  
Speaker 1     01:18:30    You can proceed with your next witness. Thank you. Thank you.  
Speaker 12    01:18:34    Thanks Tim. Our next witness is Steven Osborne principle of the applicant and the contractor for this project. So he will do the same thing that Mr. Watson did and make a nice narrative presentation. And we'll, we'll leave him open to the board. Mr. Dacey. Would you like to swear him in?  
Speaker 3     01:18:54    Yes. Mr. Osborne, can you raise your right hand? Do you swear the testimony you're to give to me the truth?  
Speaker 13    01:18:59    Yes.  
Speaker 3     01:19:00    Your name and  
Speaker 12    01:19:01    Briefly state your position with the company that you're familiar with this project and what your role is in the application.  
Speaker 3     01:19:09    Hey, could we get his name and address please?  
Speaker 12    01:19:11    I apologize.  
Speaker 13    01:19:12    My name is Steven Osborne. I'm the president of DF Osborne construction in Topeka, Kansas. The address is 3 3 1 south three, Southwest Topeka Boulevard in Topeka, Kansas.  
Speaker 12    01:19:30    And you are familiar with this project and you've done numerous installations of this type around the country, correct?  
Speaker 13    01:19:36    Yes, sir. That is correct. I have been involved and heavily engaged in the infrastructure upgrades for electric vehicle charging projects all over the country. I am personally licensed professionally through the national association of state contractor licensing in about 20 states. And I have various state and local licensure in another 10 states. So we're currently operating in about 30 states. I have personally overseen the installation of over 600 DC fast charging stations. Like we'll be talking about tonight or DC fast chargers. And this year alone, we are contracted to install roughly 400 more in multiple states,  
Speaker 12    01:20:23    Including New Jersey,  
Speaker 13    01:20:26    Many in New Jersey. So it's a wonderful growth. I'm very excited. This is the future. We're right on the cutting edge here. So I'm, I'm very excited and I appreciate you having me here and, and I, I do very much appreciate your service to your community as, as a serving your community. That means a lot to me. And so thank you for having me here.  
Speaker 12    01:20:46    Why don't you tell us about the project? Describe the machines, how they are operated, maintained their size for Mr. Chadwick.  
Speaker 13    01:20:56    Sure. And if, if it's okay, I'd like to share my screen here and show you a picture of a rendering of what this site will look like. There we go. So hopefully you can see my screen here.  
Speaker 3     01:21:09    Okay. Let me ask you if this has been submitted as part of the application pro package, or we need to mark this separately.  
Speaker 12    01:21:17    It, it has not, I, I don't believe that it has, so we might as well mark it, Mr. Cahn.  
Speaker 3     01:21:23    Okay. So this will be marked as a one with today's date and you'll have to supply a paper copy to the board.  
Speaker 12    01:21:30    Okay.  
Speaker 13    01:21:31    We can do that. This is a, this is a typical site that we've been installing in multiple areas. This one is discussed just previously with the prior witness, took a lot of planning to get this one place just right, so that we make maintain certain clearances. We have, this is for the company EV go incorporated. They are a national provider of electric vehicle charging. One interesting note here is they found that eight out of 10 of their survey, respondents indicate they shop while they charge. These are the high powered DC fast chargers. So I certainly don't want to insult anyone's intelligence here, but just quick educational on this, you have three types of chargers. You have a, a level one home charger that might take six to 12 hours to charge. You have level two convenience chargers that might be at a doctor's office or hospital.  
Speaker 13    01:22:29    Those are more the three to four hour plus chargers. And then you have your DC fast chargers like we're discussing here today. And these can charge depending on the car, depending on the capacity can charge a vehicle anywhere from 15 minutes to maybe an hour electric vehicle charging users, they operate very differently. You're you're not in very good shape. If you run out of battery on the side of the road, you can't walk to the gas station. So EV charger or charging drivers, electric car drivers, they're utilizing stations this by convenience, they're going into an Applebee's, which I believe is right next to this, having their meal. And when they come out, their car is charged up and ready to go. So they're not really delaying any more than normal for normal parking. These are UL certified pieces of equipment. For those of you who may not be completely familiar, this is the underwriter laboratories.  
Speaker 13    01:23:31    It is the oldest safety standards company in the United States. Very, very high, very strict safety standards. And we completely comply with UL safety standards. You'll also notice in the middle of the screen, we have a nice light here. We have a, a few different types of light fixtures. We like to use it's based on inventory right now. We have a lot of supply chain issues, as I'm sure you're aware, but the ones that we use are generally speaking, a dark sky, downward lighting, L E D fixture. So it illuminates just this site here. We have a good diffusion on 'em and we're not illuminating buildings or disturbing any neighboring areas. So it creates a nice, safe place for drivers to come in here while they're having going in and shopping. They can park and charge their vehicle up very quickly. As you can see from these vehicles chargers here, a typical parking stall, and I don't have the plans right in front of me, but a typical parking stall is about nine feet wide.  
Speaker 13    01:24:33    The physical chargers are about two foot by two foot square, and they'll stand about five, maybe six feet tall. So roughly the size of a, of a large adult maybe. And then there's two smaller dispensers here that stand about maybe four foot talls, a little bit shorter here. We also behind this equipment, this charging equipment, we have what we call a DC or AC to DC inverter or power cabinet, and a switch gear. And off to the left, we have a utility transformer. Now there has been a utility pole that was set that was placed by the utility company after the surveys were done. And that poll is just right over here. And it's in line with several other polls in the area. We do propose to have landscape screening. This is what it would look like essentially right after construction. But as that landscaping fills out, you really wouldn't see more than just the tops of this equipment best we do have. We're very proud of our finishing crews and we are installers as well. And our finishing crews come in and perform just incredible line striping, seal coating and cleanup of the site. So reality is this is what the site will look like when it's done. Even though this is just a rendering, it'll really look beautiful when it's finished.  
Speaker 12    01:25:57    And Steven, and just, just to confirm something that Mr. Watson spoke about. Yes, sir. The location of the equipment was largely dictated by the number of easements running through the area.  
Speaker 13    01:26:08    It was, yeah, it was actually very difficult to find this exact spot here. And we were down to essentially inches making sure that this one fits inside of existing easements. And we found that this was a very, just a perfect spot right here. It's not intrusive. It doesn't really create an eyesore. It's just a, it's a nice little spot for the equipment. And it does need to be close to the chargers. These, these power cabinets need to be close to the chargers for a, so we don't have a, a significant voltage job. It is important to note that EV go as a network is committed to a 95, 90 8% uptime across their entire network. So they, they want less than 2% downtime. And we also use local electricians to support us and installs of these. So if there was an emergency, if there was downtime, we're able to get 'em back up pretty quickly.  
Speaker 13    01:27:06    So from a safety standpoint, we don't really find that there's any danger to the public. We have utility vehicle warning Ballards that are placed right in front of the chargers here for car strike protection. We do have signs that are placed. They're, they're kind of a dark blue, so they're not intrusive or anything. They're, they're subtle just identifying the location, but this is a nationally accepted equipment layout types of equipment used across many providers. And personally, I think EV go has one of the more beautiful layouts on these. They are also ADA compliant, the screen sizes, and the placement of the chargers away from the curb are ADA compliant. And we have ADA compliant, stall spacing here, which is also a van accessible compliance. So there's been just countless hours poured into this site specifically. It's I think laid out by some very intelligent individuals. And we're just really excited to get in on this project or some,  
Speaker 1     01:28:12    Excuse me, what's the difference between the two smaller charging units and the two tall ones?  
Speaker 13    01:28:17    Sure. So the two smaller charging units are 100 kilowatt chargers, and they have internal AC to DC inverters. And so they feed from the transformer to our switch gear and directly to the chargers, these slightly slimmer, but taller chargers are three 50 kilowatt chargers, and they feed each from a power cabinet. So they're providing three and a half times as much juice. If you will, for charging a vehicle very, very quick charging here, this would be common for somebody that's just running into a store for a quick, grab something for 10 minutes and back out. And they're, they're probably gonna get about a 50% charge on their battery and off they go. These 100 KWS might be more appropriate for somebody going in to grab lunch, maybe taking a little bit more time with their shopping.  
Speaker 1     01:29:09    Okay. So thank you.  
Speaker 12    01:29:15    Anything else, Steven?  
Speaker 13    01:29:16    No. The only other thing that a lot of people ask us is how long will it take to get 'em installed? And from the time I receive a formal notice to proceed, our construction schedules are typically about 30 days. So other than a construction fence up for a little bit of an ice, or there they're very, very quick installations and we're done and gone and people can start charging pretty quickly.  
Speaker 1     01:29:40    Okay.  
Speaker 12    01:29:41    Thank you. I have no questions for Mr.  
Speaker 1     01:29:44    Any members of the board, have any questions for this witness hearing none. Please proceed to your last witness.  
Speaker 12    01:29:53    Thank you, Mr. Chairman, our next wi excuse me. Next witness is Nicholas Grano professional planner in new where's Nick. There he is.  
Speaker 3     01:30:04    MRO. Could you raise your right hand? Do you swear the testimony you're to give should be the,  
Speaker 14    01:30:10    I do  
Speaker 3     01:30:11    Your name and address please?  
Speaker 14    01:30:13    Yes. My first name is Nicholas with an H last name GRA G R a V as in Victor I a N O with a business address of one, one Crawford's corner road in Homedale New Jersey.  
Speaker 3     01:30:26    Have you appeared before the, the Piscataway zoning war before as a planner?  
Speaker 14    01:30:30    Yes, I have.  
Speaker 3     01:30:31    I believe you have. And your, your credentials remain unchanged.  
Speaker 14    01:30:35    Yes, I am still currently licensed in the state of New Jersey. I last appeared before this board in relation to an application at 40 Stelton  
Speaker 3     01:30:46    Chairman  
Speaker 1     01:30:47    IEDs. Fine. Let's proceed please.  
Speaker 14    01:30:50    Chairman engineer. And the applicant did a great job of describing a background of the site. I'll keep it basic. The applicant is requesting preliminary and final site plan approval for a specific piece of property. Otherwise known as block 56 0 1 lot. 1.02 would address of 1280 Centennial avenue. As Mr. Watson indicated, this is an existing shopping center with a, a mix of uses that you customly see in a shopping center, such as a grocery store, other restaurant and personal service type uses. You heard the applicant and the engineer describe the improvements on site. They're relatively modest. The goal is to install transformers, charging stations, power cabinets, switch gear, and to re reconfigure some parking spaces in a very limited area of the existing parking lot. It is roughly a 10 acre site. So as you can see, this does not occupy a large portion of the site.  
Speaker 14    01:31:58    Electric vehicle charging stations are an inherently beneficial use so that they they've been deemed to promote the general welfare of the community. The Township requires them by ordinance. And, and as you all know, there's now state regulations that mandate the installation of, of electric vehicle charging stations on, on new projects. There are numerous existing bulk variances on the site, which are not augmented by this application. They're not being changed specifically with lot area front yard setback, rear yard setback, building coverage in a number of parking spaces. There are the existing variances on site. What the applicant is proposing are variances for the charging stations and the equipment specifically the front yard setback for accessory structures requires variance ranging from 11.8, three feet to 30.92 feet. Those are the charging stations. A hundred percent is required. Additionally, there's another side yard, accessory structure variants, whereas 50 feet is required and 18 is proposed.  
Speaker 14    01:33:16    That is for a transformer as well. These variants certainly can be granted under both the C1 and C2 criteria. In terms of the C1 criteria you heard Mr. Watson indicate that there are a bunch of easements that are affecting the property was very difficult to find a suitable location for the equipment. Additionally, the existing parking field does not meet ordinance standards, although it's, you know, enough parking to service the needs of, of the shopping center, certainly with respect to the C1 criteria, there are extraordinary situations affecting the specific piece of property and the granting of those variances can be done under the C1 criteria without substantial impairment to the zone plan or zoning ordinance. They can be also granted under the C2 criteria. Whereas hardship may not be demonstrated, which one shows that the application relates to a specific piece of property here. You have an existing shopping center without electric vehicle charging sta stations, which are now mandated and have gained currency since the construction of the shopping center, while this is an inherently beneficial use, which in its own right satisfies the positive criteria. I would just like to note that this application does in its own right advance purposes of zoning in the municipal land, use law, specifically purpose a municipal action, guiding the appropriate use of lands in a matter, which will promote the public health, safety and general welfare.  
Speaker 14    01:35:01    We have the electric vehicle charging stations themselves, which of course improve regional air quality, reduce petroleum usage and mitigate greenhouse gas emissions. It promotes green green economy and clean technology and infrastructure. But as Mr. Watson send his testimony, it also helps the general welfare in that, you know, in the struggling brick and mortar retail economy sector, it certainly gets people to the site and provides them time to enjoy the shopping centers, restaurants, or, or other retail stores or personal service establishments. Additionally advances purpose G sufficient space and appropriate location for variety of commercial uses to meet the needs of New Jersey citizens. This is certainly needed in this shopping center. Lastly, it helps advance purpose, eye desirable, visual environment through creative development techniques and good civic design and arrangement. And it's good civic design and arrangement to have these type of facilities in, in shopping centers. There's certainly not a substantial impairment to the zone plan or zoning ordinance with granting these variants under the C2 criteria.  
Speaker 14    01:36:20    And additionally, it, it advances items in the master plan. The 2020 reexamination specifically calls for the reduction of the use of carbon based fuels. So the encouragement of renewable energy resources and the use of electric and hybrid vehicles, the master plan also states that the Township now mandates electric car charging stations by ordinance. And additionally, the master plan says that the continued use of renewable energy sources in the Township will help to serve the reduction of the dependence of non-renewable energy sources, such as gas and oil. So with all those factors combined and the relatively modest nature of these variances, I believe that they could be granted under both C1 and C2 criteria without substantial impairment to the zone plan zoning ordinance and without substantial detriment to the public. Good. The applicant is proposing an extensive landscape package to shield any of the associated equipment to the charging stations from public view.  
Speaker 12    01:37:30    Thank you, Mr. Grano. I have no further questions for Mr. Grano. I would like to make a short statement before the board opens to the public, but if you have any questions for Mr. Grano, go  
Speaker 1     01:37:41    Ahead. That's my job. Does anyone on the board of any questions or comments for Mr. Gabriel? Okay, Mr.  
Speaker 5     01:37:54    Cahill. I, I know that the, the issue about the sidewalk and the landscaping was brought up, he said, he's under discussions with the Township. I'm not aware of any. So that extent I still, that any approval should be conditioned upon the sidewalk and the, the replacement of landscaping from the original approvals that I could be more than happy to work on or work out with the applicant. And as far as the, again, the sidewalk, it could be conditioned. And if Township administration has, you know, been working on an agreement, perhaps the resolution could think that timing will be based on, you know, as approved by the administration, as far as the timing goes for the,  
Speaker 1     01:38:53    I agree. Anyone else on the board have any questions or comments?  
Speaker 7     01:38:58    Sean? I have question Henry. They show one single plan type around the two equipment sites. Don't usually get a variety.  
Speaker 5     01:39:11    I'm sorry, John, I missed the beginning of that. Did  
Speaker 7     01:39:12    They show one single plant type is the buffering to,  
Speaker 5     01:39:15    Yeah, I think my comment was, I wasn't satisfied with the proposed landscaping that they were providing anyway, so that would've to get worked out and I would've to look at that and approve that. It definitely wasn't wasn't that,  
Speaker 7     01:39:30    That Michael does that agreed too.  
Speaker 12    01:39:36    The applicant's willing to work with the Township professionals on the types of plantings around the equipment.  
Speaker 5     01:39:44    Thank you.  
Speaker 1     01:39:46    Okay. Mr. Dacey. You can have your closing argument.  
Speaker 12    01:39:51    I wanna thank you for your time. I think we made a compelling case for approval this application, but I would, I would ask that if the board is inclined to make the sidewalk and the landscape condition of approval, that they carry this matter, because that is, is not something that the applicant himself is willing to undertake. As I explained, this is the landlord's responsibility and the cost of putting in a sidewalk would overwhelm this project. It would be in excess of the entire cost of the project. The applicant, the landlord has represented to us that they've spoken to people in the Township. As I mentioned, there's a representative on tonight. He's the one I spoke with earlier today. I would. So I would say that if you are inclined to put a condition of approval on this applicant, that this be carried so that the landlord has time to work it out, we would be willing to accept conditions that the landlord act in good faith to work these issues out with the Township, but, but not the applicant. Thank you,  
Speaker 1     01:40:58    Mr. Kinneally.  
Speaker 3     01:40:59    Yeah. Mr. Chairman, you have two options here. You can either carry the matter if you're inclined to impose those conditions as the applicant requested, or you can impose the conditions on the applicant, not on the landlord, because the applicant, the landlord is not before the board. You could impose those conditions on the applicant and the applicant would either have to comply with those conditions or back to board for, from a, if those circumstances  
Speaker 12    01:41:33    Possible, ask Mr. Kinneally, if it would be possible, if there's a way to construct the resolution, to impose the conditions over a certain period of time, but not impede the applicant's ability to go ahead with construction of its project.  
Speaker 3     01:41:48    A as I understand it, the conditions have to be satisfied before the cos issue.  
Speaker 12    01:41:55    Then my understanding from my, my client is that they would, and Steven, you can speak to this as well that they would rather that this matter be carried and the landlord have time to work these issues out with Township because they're not the up against responsibility.  
Speaker 1     01:42:13    I would be in agreement to carrying this until the landlord had the opportunity to address this with  
Speaker 12    01:42:19    The Steven Township. Steven, do you agree with me to carry? I do.  
Speaker 3     01:42:25    And Mr. Bonner, how long, a period of time are you requesting the board to carry it?  
Speaker 12    01:42:30    If he is still on there's Jay Adams? I don't know if he's still here. He was here before. He's a representative of Kimco. Jay, would you maybe fill us in on, on the conversations that have been had between Kimco and the Township and where you think it might take?  
Speaker 3     01:42:49    I need to swear him in.  
Speaker 12    01:42:50    I apologize. Mr.  
Speaker 3     01:42:51    Dacey. Could you raise your right hand? Do you swear the testimony you're about to give should be the truth?  
Speaker 15    01:42:56    Yes,  
Speaker 3     01:42:56    Sir. Your name and address please.  
Speaker 7     01:42:59    Jay Adams. I'm sorry to interrupt. Wouldn't he make more sense to just strike six months. They get it worked out in five days. Great. But just do it because to know what the activity is taking place right now could change tomorrow is still,  
Speaker 12    01:43:20    And, and I would, I would, to that Mr. Chadwick Chadwick that I believe it would be acceptable to the applicant to put a time limit on as long as there were built in extension. If it weren't worked out, Jay, do you have any comment?  
Speaker 15    01:43:39    We would be amenable to that six months with a built in extension.  
Speaker 1     01:43:43    Okay. Let's do that.  
Speaker 3     01:43:46    Okay. So we're not gonna conclude an automatic extension, but the board would, if in six months you notify the board that you would like an extension, it would be granted as long as it appears that all of the parties are cooperating.  
Speaker 12    01:44:01    Thank you. And the, and the condition. So we're we're so we're clear the condition and the resolution would be that the application would be approved subject to the condition that within six months, whether it's the applicant or the landlord works out the sidewalk and landscaping issues with the Township. Perfect.  
Speaker 3     01:44:21    So, so you're asking the board to vote on this tonight  
Speaker 12    01:44:25    With the six months subject to extension. Yes.  
Speaker 3     01:44:28    Okay. With, with an agreement that the, the condition is that the landscaping and sidewalk be resolved within six months, or you come back to the board  
Speaker 12    01:44:40    That's yes. As long as it's not necessarily attributable to the applicant, but that it be resolved, whether it's with the landlord or the applicant within,  
Speaker 3     01:44:50    Well, I believe the board is, is looking at a condition that requires the applicant to take care of the landscaping and the sidewalk. And if the applicant can get the landlord to take care of the sidewalk, that's not our, that's not our problem.  
Speaker 12    01:45:10    First of all, I would point out somebody's got their hand raised. I'm not sure what that is about. We,  
Speaker 3     01:45:13    We have not opened to the public yet.  
Speaker 12    01:45:15    Okay. Could I ask for about five minutes so we could get on a quick conference call and I could discuss this with my client and our team.  
Speaker 3     01:45:24    Mr. Chairman, do you wanna take a five minute break? Yeah, let's  
Speaker 12    01:45:26    Take a five minute recess. Thank you. No more than five though. Please.  
Speaker 3     01:45:32    Everybody. Five.  
Speaker 16    01:46:53    My mouths going unless wants and  
Speaker 3     01:49:32    Yes. Mr. Chairman, we are hold, hold on. Let's make sure Laura Buckley is here. She unmute, there she goes. I'm ready. We're recording. Okay. Now we're ready. I, we, I spoke to the applicant and they would  
Speaker 12    01:49:46    Prefer to take a 30 day carry if that's okay with the board and see where Kimco gets in 30 days and come back report to the board and request a vote at that time, if the issue's been resolved.  
Speaker 3     01:50:00    So you're asking for an adjournment to the second meeting. Do we have a second meeting in  
Speaker 17    01:50:05    July? We're already packed in July. Could do August.  
Speaker 12    01:50:09    We'd be looking for,  
Speaker 17    01:50:10    We have nine applications on in July already.  
Speaker 12    01:50:12    The end of July.  
Speaker 17    01:50:14    We only have one meeting, only  
Speaker 1     01:50:15    One meeting in July. Okay.  
Speaker 17    01:50:17    One in August, one July. It'd be next. Available would be August 11th.  
Speaker 12    01:50:21    Okay. Gives us a little bit of extra time.  
Speaker 3     01:50:26    Yeah. And it's not really that much extra time. So you you're willing to go to August 11th,  
Speaker 12    01:50:31    August 11th? Yes. Mr. Cane. Okay. I don't. If, if the board requires an extension of time, we're willing to grant that I haven't looked at the date, but Laura, you can let us know  
Speaker 17    01:50:41    You do. Yeah. I'll email to you tomorrow.  
Speaker 12    01:50:43    Okay. Thank you,  
Speaker 1     01:50:45    Jim. Do I open it to the public now or wait until,  
Speaker 3     01:50:48    Thank you. It's your choice, Mr. Chairman. It sounds like there's additional information that may be coming. So if, so, you may want hold off until I'm  
Speaker 1     01:50:57    Gonna hold off on the public portion until the next time we get together. So all, so we're gonna carry this. I'll move on to the next application.  
Speaker 12    01:51:05    Thank you all for your  
Speaker 3     01:51:06    Time. So this matter is gonna be carried to August 11th, 2022 with no further notice by the applicant. The only notice you're receiving is my announcement here tonight.  
Speaker 12    01:51:17    Thank you.  
Speaker 1     01:51:19    Thank  
Speaker 17    01:51:21    You.  
Speaker 1     01:51:22    Let's move on to item number 1222 dash ZB dash seven dash 23 V mark Bannet.  
Speaker 18    01:51:29    Thank you. Chairman members of the board and board professionals. My name is Tim arch. I'm an attorney license in the state of New Jersey. First, let me say, I appreciate your efficiencies tonight. And I will try my best to follow suit. I am here representing mark Bana. He is the owner of 1790 west seventh street. You probably know it better as the former Arbor rescue squad site. I'm going to assume that the board is, is quite familiar with that site as it's been around for I'm. I'm just gonna say forever. So I don't think we have to go into too many details about, about the site. Just for general housekeeping. I would ask Mr. Cahn, if we are, have proper jurisdiction in front of the board.  
Speaker 3     01:52:17    Yes. Mr. Arch and the notice was proper and the board has jurisdiction and proceed.  
Speaker 18    01:52:21    Thank you, Mr. Cahn, we have four, four reports or memos that I have in my possession. One is Mr. Chadwick's report dated May 27th, 2022. One is Mr. Stein's report dated June 23rd, 2022. I have a D P w report that indicates no comment. And I have Ms. Corcoran's list of, of applicable variances. That's from February 11th, 2022. I don't believe there are any additional reports that I'm missing. I would just ask for confirmation.  
Speaker 19    01:52:52    Go ahead.  
Speaker 3     01:52:53    I'm not aware of  
Speaker 18    01:52:54    Any, thank you. We are here tonight seeking use variance relief in order to have a wrestling club with a, a weight lifting or gym weight, gym component associated with that, as well as storage of personal vehicles in the garage section of the, of the building and of the site. In addition to that, there's several bulk variances and existing nonconformities on the site. I I'll note that all of those are just, as I said, existing nonconformities we are not proposing any additions that will affect those existing nonconformities. Again, they've been around forever. I do have three witnesses tonight. And my first witness is Mr. Mark ban, who is the owner of the, the property. I would ask that he be come forward to be sworn.  
Speaker 3     01:53:59    Mr. Bann can you raise your right  
Speaker 19    01:54:00    Hand? Yes, I can.  
Speaker 3     01:54:02    Do you swear the testimony you're about to give should be the truth?  
Speaker 19    01:54:04    Yes, sir.  
Speaker 3     01:54:05    Your name and address please?  
Speaker 19    01:54:07    Mark Bonna 5 61 Johnston drive. Watch on New Jersey.  
Speaker 3     01:54:13    Thank you,  
Speaker 18    01:54:15    Mr. Bonna you are the, the owner of the former of a rescue site, 1790 west seventh street. Is that correct? Yes. Yes. And approximately how long have you owned that?  
Speaker 19    01:54:25    Eight months. Nine months. Something like that.  
Speaker 18    01:54:27    So you purchased it in 2021? Yes. And when you purchased it, all of these bulk variances and nonconformities in terms of setbacks and the, the radio antenna that's that's present there, those were all present. When you purchased the property, you didn't add them, correct?  
Speaker 19    01:54:42    Yes. Correct.  
Speaker 18    01:54:43    Okay. And what you're here tonight? The, the main crux of what we're looking for tonight is to use the property for a wrestling club. There's also a lifting component to that, and there is a, a garage storage component. Is that correct? Yes. Okay. If I could just share my screen real quick, I think it'll help with the, with my questioning. So, Mr. Bonna, this is the, this is a floor plan of the site, correct? Yes. Okay. And when we're talking about using the site for a, a wrestling training gym, that would be that section, this large section here that I'm highlighting, is that correct?  
Speaker 19    01:55:28    Correct.  
Speaker 18    01:55:29    Okay. And the weight lifting component that I'm talking about, that's located here in this section that's marked Jim, is that correct? Yes. Okay. And then again, the, there is this three bay garage where I'm assuming the, the Arbor rescue squad had their vehicles three bay garage. That's over here on this side. That's where we're talking about the storage of, of your personal vehicles. Is that correct? Yes. Yes. Okay. Now, in terms of the ability or the, the suitability of this site to those uses you've actually, before you knew that you needed a use variance for this site, the wrestling squad was actually operating in there, is that correct? Correct. Okay. And, and you personally had had occasion to, to see the usage of the site and see how it was operating, correct? Yes. Okay. And during that time period that it was operating there, there were no issues in terms of, in terms of parking, in terms of overflow parking or anything along those lines? No. No problem. Okay. To your knowledge, there had always been adequate parking there for all the activities that we're, that we're going on that we're presenting tonight. Is that correct? Correct. Okay.  
Speaker 18    01:56:47    As far as, and we're gonna hear more about the, about the wrestling program from our next witness. So I don't wanna belabor the point too much at this time, but one of the, one of the conditions that were listed in Mr Hinterstein memo was a possible restriction on the hours of usage and the overall number of, of members of the club. And you have no issue, obviously with conforming to that, as long as the tenant is also okay with that, who will be testifying in a moment, is that correct? Correct. Okay. So let's talk about the car storage over here. So this is a three bay garage that is approximately 1700 square feet. Is that correct? Yes. Okay. And what you're looking to, to put there is your personal vehicles, you collect, basically collect your cars, is that correct? Correct. Okay. Now, whenever anybody here is garage, or when you think about garage, the first thing that comes to mind is mechanics, garage doing oil changes, you know, pneumatic air compressor tools and all those sorts of things. We're not looking to have a mechanics garage there, is that correct? No, only my personal vehicles. Yes. Okay. We're not looking to do any vehicle repairs there or modifications or anything along those lines, is that correct? No. No. Okay. And I wanna be clear, we are only asking for passive static storage of motor vehicles in that garage, correct? Yes. Okay. You're not asking to store them outdoors or out front or anything like that. It's in the garage just to utilize that space?  
Speaker 19    01:58:42    Yes.  
Speaker 18    01:58:42    Okay. Now, if you weren't allowed to do that, you would have essentially a, a 1700 square foot dead space in this, in this building that isn't being utilized by the, by the potential other uses in that building. Is that correct? Correct. Okay. And if the board were to look favorably on this application and the board were concerned about the possibility of, of this going beyond just normal car storage there, you would be agreeable to restrictions where there wouldn't be any repairs. There wouldn't be anything more than just storage of your personal cars, is that correct? Correct. Okay. And you understand that that would be enforceable and that the town would certainly enforce that if they were to look favorably on that app on this application, correct? Correct. Okay, mark, we went through the, the reports and the memorandum specifically on Mr. Stein's memorandum. He did indicate under site impact, I think approximately 11 different comments about improvements to the site. Overall, you've had an opportunity to look at those and we've discussed those, correct? Yes. Okay. And you agree to all of those comments and conditions that Mr. Hinterstein indicated about repairing resing providing more landscape, all those conditions outlined in his report, correct?  
Speaker 19    02:00:10    That's fine. Yes.  
Speaker 18    02:00:11    Okay. And that also includes the state requirement for a single make ready EV charger there? Yes. You would apply. You would obviously you have to, it's a state statute. Okay. I have no further direct at this time. I would. And I would ask, or Mr. Bonna is available for questioning to the board.  
Speaker 1     02:00:40    Well, Mr. Bonna let me ask you a question. Since in the eight months, since you acquired that property was the three bays being used for automotive repair.  
Speaker 19    02:00:48    I had some vehicles in there. Yes. That I, I, I changed some oil and stuff on them. Yes.  
Speaker 1     02:00:54    Okay. I don't, you're doing it yourself. Or you had hired people or family members  
Speaker 19    02:01:01    Or I don't have anyone hired.  
Speaker 1     02:01:04    Okay.  
Speaker 19    02:01:05    Yeah, just me and my son. And once in a while, a friend of his would help him with some stuff. That was it.  
Speaker 1     02:01:12    Okay. And that would cease obvious.  
Speaker 19    02:01:16    I could cease that. Yes.  
Speaker 1     02:01:17    If this was  
Speaker 5     02:01:19    Okay, Mr.  
Speaker 1     02:01:20    Anyone else? Any questions  
Speaker 5     02:01:25    Mr. Cahill, Mr. I was the today and there was full mechanic work going on in the garage. So  
Speaker 19    02:01:32    Missed, I missed  
Speaker 5     02:01:33    Vehicles in the bays mechanics or people working on 'em that was outside without license plate. Some looked like they were, you know, worked on. So you're saying this is, you know, this work is stopped, but I was out there today and it was going on.  
Speaker 19    02:01:50    I could, I mean, I probably had some stuff going on in here today, but I could cease to do that if that's what you know,  
Speaker 18    02:01:57    And to be clear and to be clear, Mr. Hinterstein when we, we did get your report today, we went through it. And, and the, I think the pledge that Mr Bonna is making is that, is that if this is looked favorably upon and approved, it will absolutely cease going forward. This wasn't an indication that it hadn't been going on before, but that  
Speaker 3     02:02:16    Even if the application is not approved, it's got a cease going on.  
Speaker 18    02:02:21    Yeah, well, correct. Obviously in  
Speaker 5     02:02:22    Violation, the other issue that wasn't brought up in the staff report is that somebody had painted these garage doors with some logos. And, and like, I don't know whether it's vehicles or mechanic type stuff, but any approval regardless of his vehicles or parking is, is allowed or not. Those garage doors should be painted a neutral color. There's no, no logos, no, no identification or any type of anything that should be on those doors. That's basically akin to sign that no application has been provided for any signage. And so those doors should be returned to just a neutral color, solid color, without any logos or writing on them.  
Speaker 19    02:03:10    That's not a problem.  
Speaker 1     02:03:14    Any other, anyone else? Any questions hearing none, please proceed. Ms. Dodge.  
Speaker 18    02:03:24    Thank you. Our next witness would be Mr. Donny, D Fallis. I hope I pronounce that correctly. He can correct me if I did that incorrectly, but he is available for, for swearing it,  
Speaker 3     02:03:37    Sir. Could you swear, raise your right hand? You swear the testimony you the truth. If you answered, I could not hear you.  
Speaker 1     02:03:49    Yeah, we didn't hear you.  
Speaker 20    02:03:52    I  
Speaker 18    02:03:54    Okay. Mr. DPU, you are first of all. Am I pronouncing that correct?  
Speaker 20    02:04:00    Yes, you are. Thank  
Speaker 18    02:04:01    You. Excellent. Thank you.  
Speaker 3     02:04:02    Let's get his name and address please. Mr.  
Speaker 18    02:04:04    Oh,  
Speaker 20    02:04:05    My name is Donny Deus. I live at 17 Yale street in summit, New Jersey.  
Speaker 3     02:04:13    Thank you,  
Speaker 18    02:04:16    Mr. DFAS, you are the owner of Yale wrestling club. Is that correct?  
Speaker 20    02:04:20    Yale street wrestling club.  
Speaker 18    02:04:21    Yes. Yale street wrestling club. In addition to that, you're also a, a summit police officer. Is that correct? Yes. Yes. Okay. Yeah, if you could just do it audibly, you are looking to be the prospective tenant in this former Arbor rescue building. Is that correct?  
Speaker 20    02:04:39    That's correct.  
Speaker 18    02:04:40    Okay. And in fact, before, before Mr. Bonna and yourself were aware that a use variance was required, you actually had, had already operated out of this site, is that correct?  
Speaker 20    02:04:52    Yes. For approximately three months.  
Speaker 18    02:04:55    Okay. Why don't you tell us a little bit about what the Yale street wrestling club is and, and sort of what you do there or what you wanna do?  
Speaker 20    02:05:05    Okay. We've been operating since 2013. We started in my garage. We outgrew my garage. We went to a building in scotch planes, and we, we since have, have outgrown that we work with kids all the way from the ages from five, all the way up to college. And again, we've been operating since 2013. We've, we've put kids into college that are, that have wrestled on, on the division one level. And we continue to, to work with children of all ages.  
Speaker 18    02:05:36    And now that three months that you were, that you were operating out the building in terms of site circulation or parking, did you have any issues with having adequate parking there for all of your events, not events, but coaching classes training?  
Speaker 20    02:05:53    No. No, we did not. Our, our site in scotch planes on route 22 actually had less parking than what was available in Piscataway and, and we never, we never really had an issue in scotch planes and, and the, the way we operated in Piscataway was, was very comfortable.  
Speaker 18    02:06:12    Okay. Now, as, as part of what you're doing there, you're proposing that you're gonna do this club with, with training and essentially classes. Is that correct? Yes. Okay. You're not proposing any, any sort of meets or any sort of spectator events to, or events to draw people in? No. No. And in fact, any sort of meets or any sort of events like that, that you, that you do you do that offsite at another location, is that correct? Right? Yes. Okay. And in terms of scheduling your classes, if the board were to look favorably on the application and impose a, essentially a, a time limit that you would have to work around, if you wouldn't have any classes after 9:00 PM, would that be acceptable?  
Speaker 20    02:06:57    That would be very acceptable. Yes. We, we, we, perhaps  
Speaker 18    02:07:01    We can ask what exactly the proposed hours are. Certainly Mr. DLIP what, tell us when your earliest class would be and when your latest class would be  
Speaker 20    02:07:11    Okay. Generally we, we operate on average six o'clock to 7:30 PM, Monday through Thursday. And on Sunday morning, we operate from 10:00 AM to 12:00 PM. So we're really only operating eight hours a week. Sometimes during the wrestling season, we may operate more hours maybe right after school, three 30, but we'll, we'll never be in there past 9:00 PM. And we, we most likely won't be in there any, you know, during the week earlier than school starts, because most of our members are in school during that time.  
Speaker 3     02:07:46    And could you just gimme that weekend time again? Cause I didn't  
Speaker 20    02:07:50    Practice is 12.  
Speaker 3     02:07:55    Thank you.  
Speaker 18    02:07:56    And Mr. G Felipe, in terms of these, these classes, would you estimate the average number of people that are in a class at any given time?  
Speaker 20    02:08:09    Sure. We average throughout the year, I would say 25 to 40 kids per, per class right now in the month of June, we probably had about 30 kids in class. That number goes up during the wrestling season, but it, it only really goes up for a month or two, probably from January to February early March. And then it drops off in, in mid-March the most kids that we've ever had in class is, is probably capped off at about 50, but that's very rare and it doesn't last long.  
Speaker 18    02:08:43    And in terms of these classes, these are generally the majority of people that take these classes. These are sort of dropoff pick style things where individuals are not staying on site it's parents that are picking, dropping off their kids and picking them back up again. Is that correct?  
Speaker 20    02:08:58    Correct? Yes.  
Speaker 18    02:08:59    Okay. And, and again, all the, the times that you had been operating out of the, the aithal rescue, there had never been any issue that you're aware of in terms of inadequate parking on the site?  
Speaker 20    02:09:11    No, never.  
Speaker 18    02:09:12    Okay. I believe that is it for my direct of Mr. Depu.  
Speaker 1     02:09:25    Anyone have any questions on the board, Mr. De? So Mr. Dacey Phillip, so engines or anything at this location. Did Jamie,  
Speaker 20    02:09:39    I'm sorry. Can you repeat that?  
Speaker 1     02:09:41    I'm sorry. You wouldn't be scheduling like a rival wrestling club versus your wrestling club at this location. Some type of competition or anything.  
Speaker 20    02:09:51    No.  
Speaker 1     02:09:51    Strictly training strictly, you know, just the kids learning the, the, the art and, and the skills of wrestling.  
Speaker 20    02:10:00    Yeah, just, just our members, friends of our program. Just, just training practices. That's that's it.  
Speaker 1     02:10:08    Okay. I have any questions. I have a question, please.  
Speaker 21    02:10:13    It sounds like most of the people be drop off in pickups. Will there be people needing to park for the hour or two that their children will be participating?  
Speaker 20    02:10:24    Sure, we do have, we do have parents that wanna stay and watch practice. Not every parent wants to do that, but some do. So we, we do have an, you know, a number of parents that do like to stay and watch their kids practice.  
Speaker 21    02:10:39    And where will they be parking?  
Speaker 20    02:10:41    I'm sorry. What's that?  
Speaker 21    02:10:42    When will they be parking?  
Speaker 20    02:10:45    So again, the practices are six o'clock to 7:30 PM. So they would be parking during those times.  
Speaker 18    02:10:51    I, I think he had indicated where they would be parking. And just to clarify, there is, there is parking spaces provided on site on the correct Mr. Depu.  
Speaker 20    02:11:03    Yeah, there there's a, a very large parking lot compared to the building that we just occupied in scotch planes that we moved from the parking lot at Piscataway is significantly bigger than the parking lot that we had in scotch planes. And we never had any issues in scotch planes. So I don't anticipate having any issues in Piscataway.  
Speaker 18    02:11:23    I believe it's indicated that there's 42 spaces on site. So there's, there is a number of parking spaces,  
Speaker 20    02:11:29    Correct? Yes,  
Speaker 1     02:11:31    We good. Steve,  
Speaker 21    02:11:33    The, the 42 parking spaces, is that part of the aithal fire company or is it open for anyone?  
Speaker 18    02:11:38    It is not the, the, the fire company has a adjoining lot. That is not part of the 42 spaces. Okay. There are several other, obviously large parking fields over in the firehouse.  
Speaker 1     02:11:52    Thank you, Mr. Deus, prior to the shutting down of the Yale street club, how many members did you have? How many students?  
Speaker 20    02:12:03    So we, we currently have over a hundred members. We've had that number for, for the last two years or so, but we have our classes split up by age group. So not all 100 members are scheduled to be there at, at the same time, Monday and Wednesday, we have our youth group and Tuesday and Thursday, we have our high school group. So we, we, again, we, we average probably between, you know, 25 and 40 kids per practice. That's, that's our, our, our average throughout the year. It, it goes up sometimes during our busy season, during the winter. But again, that only lasts for a month or two.  
Speaker 1     02:12:40    Would you say the, the split 50 50 between the, the younger kids than teenagers? Or is it more teenagers?  
Speaker 20    02:12:49    It's split? I would say was split. Yeah.  
Speaker 1     02:12:56    Okay. Any other members have Mr. Archie can proceed?  
Speaker 7     02:13:01    I have a couple questions.  
Speaker 1     02:13:03    Oh, sorry. Jim  
Speaker 7     02:13:04    Is the interior, this equipped with lockers or showers or bathrooms or any of that stuff?  
Speaker 20    02:13:15    We have lockers. We, we do not provide showers. We have bathrooms, we have bathrooms and lockers. We don't have any existing showers in the building, but most, most of our, most of our members are young kids and they usually shower when they get home from practice. They don't, they don't generally high school kids and youth kids. Don't usually shower on site.  
Speaker 7     02:13:37    Okay. How about bumps and bruises that takes care of that?  
Speaker 20    02:13:45    We have a first aid kit available on, on location. And again, we've been operating since 2013. We have not had any, any, any major injuries. One, one injury that we have had that happened in, in our old location in scotch planes was a sprained ankle, or that happened on, on location. And the, and the, the, the child's parent was there to take him to the hospital, to, to get an MRI and, and, and find out that the ankle was sprained. That's usually how, how it works in, in the club situation, bloody noses, things like that, you know, jammed fingers. Like those are common injuries in our sport. And we have tape, we have nose plugs, we have a first aid kit that's fully stocked, and we're equipped to handle that. I'm also certified in CPR being my job as a police officer. So I'm, I'm, I'm ready to handle any of those situations that, that become serious if, if it were to happen, but we haven't. Luckily we haven't had to deal with that in, in the recent past.  
Speaker 5     02:14:55    Thank you got a questions. How many instructors are at the site at any given time?  
Speaker 20    02:15:03    So we have four coaches on staff, and usually we have one coach, one to two coaches on scene at, during practices  
Speaker 5     02:15:19    And of the high school kids that attend the classes. Do any of them drive themselves to the facility? I imagine high school aged kids. Yes. There are some that do,  
Speaker 20    02:15:34    Yes.  
Speaker 5     02:15:40    You have an approximate number perhaps of the high school kids that would  
Speaker 20    02:15:43    Drive. I don't, it's, it's not a very big number because most of our kids are, you know, under 17, by the time they become seniors and they turn 17, they start to drive, but it's not a, it's not a big number. You know, our, our, most of our members are five years old, up to 17, 18. So it's, it's, it's not a, a, it's not a big number of kids that actually drive themselves. And even the kids that are able to drive themselves, their parents still like to like to bring them and, and, and still stay involved with their development.  
Speaker 5     02:16:19    Well, ahead,  
Speaker 7     02:16:21    I have one follow up question. The younger kids that get dropped off twice a week, what do you do about the parent that doesn't show up at nine o'clock?  
Speaker 20    02:16:33    I'm sorry, can you repeat that? The parents that don't show up  
Speaker 7     02:16:37    The younger kids that are twice a  
Speaker 20    02:16:39    Week. Yes.  
Speaker 7     02:16:40    And the, and the session is over at nine?  
Speaker 20    02:16:44    No, our sessions are over at seven 30.  
Speaker 7     02:16:47    Okay. What, what do you do when the parents don't show up?  
Speaker 20    02:16:52    We have not had to deal with that. Often. Most of our parents are, are pretty responsible in, in, in, in picking up their children. On, on, on time. I I've said I, maybe I could count probably on one hand, the amount of times that a parent hasn't been there, a kid, and we stay there until, until they're, they're picked up. And it hasn't been longer than maybe 15 minutes after the practice ended where we had to stay.  
Speaker 7     02:17:23    It's  
Speaker 20    02:17:28    I'm sure. Luckily, luckily we, we, we haven't had to, to deal with that too often, so.  
Speaker 1     02:17:35    Okay. Any other member of the board have any questions hearing? None. Ms. Archer, please proceed.  
Speaker 18    02:17:43    Thank you. Our last witness tonight will be Ms. Allison coffin, our professional planner.  
Speaker 3     02:17:50    Can you raise?  
Speaker 22    02:17:52    Yes, I can.  
Speaker 3     02:17:53    Do you swear T you give the,  
Speaker 22    02:17:56    Yes, I do  
Speaker 3     02:17:57    Your name and address please.  
Speaker 22    02:17:59    Alison coffin, C F I N. I work for James w Haggins associates at 14 ocean Township New Jersey  
Speaker 3     02:18:07    Coffin has been accepted as a expert planner by this board on numerous occasions.  
Speaker 18    02:18:13    Please  
Speaker 22    02:18:13    Still have my license.  
Speaker 1     02:18:15    Good.  
Speaker 18    02:18:16    Thank you, miss coffin, if you could. I know that you're familiar with the site and the proposed activities. If you could please take us through your, the benefit of your expert opinion.  
Speaker 22    02:18:27    Sure. The applicant is proposing use and occupancy of the former Arbor rescue building. It's located at the intersection of Walnut and west seventh streets. The uses proposed for this building are some for the applicant's personal use office space and personal storage for their car collection, and then used as associate with the wrestling school and the weight training gym. The property in question was developed as the a aithal rescue squad building, which consists of a three bay garage meeting and office space. In addition to housing, the rescue squad, the building had been used for public gathering space for decades. My NEMA would go there to play bingo dragging my father along when he was a child. So I know that building has been there for quite some time. In addition to the building itself, the fully developed site has an existing radio antenna and 42 parking spaces to support the use in occupancy of the building, the applicants proposing no physical alterations to the site, other than what they've agreed upon that in Mr.  
Speaker 22    02:19:28    Ken's report, the properties located in the R 75 residential zone and that zone permits single family dwellings and governmental parks and playgrounds, governmental buildings and uses the proposed uses in this building are not permitted in the zone. Therefore D variance of relief is requested. The applicant is proposing no new bulk variances, but there are a number of existing variance conditions that remain and will be unaltered. And those include maximum building coverage, front yard, setback, side yard setback, side yard setback to the accessory structure that radio antenna and the accessory structure height that radio antenna is permitted to be 18 feet. And it exceeds that height. Although I don't have the exact number, but we're not proposing any changes to it. It's my opinion. That special reasons exist for the granting of the requested D one variances and the variances for these uses can be granted with no detriment to the health, safety, and general welfare of the public.  
Speaker 22    02:20:26    The special reasons concept is advanced in this case, and that the site is particularly suited to the uses. Proposed. This site is fully developed with a non-residential structure. That's supported by a large parking field. The site and the existing structure are not well suited for conforming single family. Residential use the site is ideally and particularly suited to the uses as proposed. The site contains a large structure that has a three bay garage space with higher ceilings. And the space is ideal for the storage of the owner's car collection. The structure has office space adjacent to this garage, which the owner is using. The site has meeting room space. That is ideal for the resting wrestling club in another room. That is well suited to the weight training gym. These are complimentary uses with some overlap between members and the site provides 42 off street parking spaces, which is adequate to support the uses proposed.  
Speaker 22    02:21:21    There is, in my opinion, no substantial detriment to the granting of the requested use variances. The proposed uses are not significantly different in character and impact from the original rescue squad use, at least in terms of noise, odors, traffic, and aesthetics, far less likely to have ambulance sirens. The property itself can accommodate the parking for the uses on the site with no parking impact, the surrounding area. And the site is located in intersection with a cluster of other non-residential uses, including the firehouse, an automotive garage, and the fairgrounds up the street beyond the firehouse. The proposed uses are compatible with this, this area right around it. The proposed variance would not substantially impair the intent and purpose of the master plan and zoning ordinance. This is a unique site that was developed with a non-residential use that historically included public gathering space. The proposal makes efficient and appropriate use of this preexisting unique site and structure, which is not suited to conforming uses. And for those reasons it's my opinion that the board would be justified in granting the requested use variances for this application.  
Speaker 1     02:22:31    Thank you. I have no further questions. Any member of the board have any questions or comments for this witness hearing none. Jim, can I ask Henry to go over the zoning impact before we open it to the public? Yes, I think that's appropriate. Sure. Henry, please go over the zoning impact on your site impact report.  
Speaker 5     02:23:00    Sure. I mean, item number one of my zoning impact comments, I think just that the appropriate testimony needs to be provided. And I, I, I think that that Mrs. Coffin, you know, did that again during my site visit, again, one was being used basically as a mechanic shop. When I was there, there was vehicles parked outside. The, the applicant had stated that, you know, this, this work had stopped, but it obviously had not because again, I was there today and this work was actually going on use of, of a storage for vehicles its own, I think constitutes a, a private garage when it's not accessory to a residential use. And that's, I think that's a problem, especially in this particular case because the building was previously used or had garages again, the use was for a, a public use as is allowed in the, in the, in zoning, in residential zone, because it was for a rescue squad as far as the assembly area.  
Speaker 5     02:24:15    Again, I really don't, you know, looking at the previous assembly use and I think there was bingo there once a month that took place for a couple hours. I don't think that really with any kind of nuisance to the neighbors, but to then allow, I think uninhibited assembly. I don't think the assembly component is necessary in order to run the wrestling school or training center, weight training. So again, I, I don't see the assembly component being necessary just because the building is, is large and because somebody may have taken place there prior, it also now has other uses that are being associated with the building, the training center and, and the weight, the weight training and the, and the resting training. So I don't necessarily feel that the building has to be suited for, you know, 600 uses or, or five uses or whatever, if there's one or two suitable uses for the building to repurpose it, which I believe the wrestling training and weight training facility does do a good job of repurposing this building.  
Speaker 5     02:25:31    And, and doesn't really create a, a detrimental impact to the surrounding neighborhood. But my biggest issue is, again, the assembly area, you know, more than I think what previously or historically took place at that building, which was, you know, once a month is an issue, as well as the car parking. Again, it's been shown that, I don't know if a, you know, the applicant can be relied on to say that, you know, no work is gonna take place. I know mechanical gonna take place. Cause again, the track record has been that this has been going on and continues to go on at site. I think that the garage phase or that area in that building could be repurposed for something else, perhaps whether it's something associated with the training center or the weight training center or the wrestling training. But in my opinion, I don't see how that's not gonna be using that as a garage is not a detrimental impact to surrounding neighborhood when private garages aren't, aren't allowed in the residential zone.  
Speaker 5     02:26:42    I think that basically sums it up again. I believe the, the training center, both weight, you know, which I imagine is accessory to this wrestling training. I really didn't hear any testimony that, you know, the weight training would be a standalone where people would have memberships just for, for that maybe that could be touched on, but, you know, as an accessory use to the, the wrestling training center, again, I don't have any issue with either of those. And, and again, with the, with the stipulation that I think the hours are limited to 9:00 PM, then agreeing to the other conditions of the, of the staff report. I, I definitely believe that, you know, those uses could be looked upon favorably, but again, I just don't see that the, the, or see how the municipal use law is advance in the town zone plan is advanced by allowing assembly and that garage storage on that site.  
Speaker 18    02:27:50    If I can just briefly just to, to address Mr. Stein's comment as to assembly, I took the assembly aspect to be addressed that we are not having spectator events there. So we certainly agree. Totally agree. Yeah, we're not, we are not proposing anything to that extent. So I just wanna make sure clear, and again, I just wanna stress that I believe Mr. Bono's testimony was that that activity would not continue. I don't think he specifically said that it was not happening currently in terms of the, in terms of possible repairs at the, at the site. But again, the only, the only comment that I would make is it's a, it's an area that otherwise would be dead space. And whether it's a car that's being stored in there, or whether it's a stack of cardboard boxes, that's being stored in there as long as it is passively and passively and statically stored in there, it, it wouldn't make a difference either way what it is, but I understand certainly your concerns, Mr.  
Speaker 3     02:28:51    Interesting, Mr. Arch, let me ask you a question. The assembly use, what is the applicant proposing for that? Cause I have not heard any testimony with regard to the assembly use.  
Speaker 18    02:29:04    I'll defer to Mr. Bonna. I don't think we are proposing any, any sort of assembly use in the building, but I'll ask Mr. Bonna if he has any, anything particular in mind. I think that was, I, I think that that, that word got worked into the application at some point. And quite frankly, I don't know when it got worked into the application, but  
Speaker 3     02:29:25    Well, and what I will say is if we don't have any details on that, we're not gonna grant an approval to an open ended assembly use with no,  
Speaker 18    02:29:33    And we're not. And we are not asking for that. I think, and again, that was my comment to Mr. Hinterstein is that I think it, our testimony is that we are not asking for a, an open-ended assembly use. We are asking for the wrestling, we are asking for the weight training, we are asking for the, the storage garage. Those are our three use variants requests.  
Speaker 7     02:29:55    Chairman, if I could just comment briefly, I agree with Henry on the wrestling and weight training, I think it's a use that is particularly suited to this location. You had no testt whatsoever on assembly use. So there's no basis to grant it in any case. And the garage parking is really a Cahn to Mr. There's no particular basis meets a use standard. I don't think Allison tried to represent that she focused on the main room. That's all I have to say.  
Speaker 1     02:30:43    Thank you, John. Any other, any other questions? Any other members have questions hearing none. I'm gonna open it to the general public. Anyone in the public portion have any questions or comments about this application? I would ask that there are a lot of residents on hold right now. So if you could keep your comments to a minimum of three minutes, Ms. Buckley, you could help me out with that. Thank  
Speaker 17    02:31:09    You. All right. The first one's a gentleman named mark. He's raising his hand  
Speaker 3     02:31:15    Mark mark hand, and I need to swear you in mark. You muted. You unmute yourself. Please. Unmute mark unmuted. There  
Speaker 23    02:31:33    You go. How's that?  
Speaker 3     02:31:35    That's much better. Okay, mark. I need to swear you in. Could you raise your right hand and do you swear the testimony you're about to give should be the truth?  
Speaker 23    02:31:42    Yes.  
Speaker 3     02:31:43    Could I have your full name and address please?  
Speaker 23    02:31:46    Mark Hardenberg 1838 Brun avenue, 1838 Pisca 1838 Brun avenue, Piscataway New Jersey. Oh, got screwed up. Cause my camera got pointed in the wrong direction.  
Speaker 3     02:32:04    It's all good. No worries.  
Speaker 23    02:32:06    Okay. Hey, how about removing the Arbor rescue squad sign? It's been months and months and it's not a rescue squad. Get rid of it. And I understand that there are certain things that, you know, you probably don't have much of a choice. I mean, the setbacks he's asking for bulk variance relief, did the applicant try to purchase adjacent land to possibly meet the bulk requirement specifically? Did the applicant try to purchase the adjacent land on Walnut street?  
Speaker 18    02:32:45    To my knowledge, there was no attempt to purchase any additional land. I will note that the lot itself in terms of overall lot size, I believe is conforming.  
Speaker 23    02:32:58    Why you asking for a bulk variance because your coverage is too much for the size of the lot. I'll answer the question. Yes. The coverage is too much for the size of the lot.  
Speaker 18    02:33:14    Correct? My, my comment was though that the lot itself, the lot size itself, which is what triggers the municipal land use laws requirement to seek purchase of adjacent property to bring it into otherwise conformity that has to do with the lot size.  
Speaker 3     02:33:32    Go ahead, Mr. Hardenberg. Please address your questions to the board.  
Speaker 23    02:33:36    Okay. Yes, I will. The, the next question that I have deals with the assembly area. When I read that it was not clear if it was a meeting room, if it was a light manufacturing area where they were gonna do some assembly work, or if it was an outside space where maybe they were gonna have car shows, I thought that whole thing was too vague. And I also feel that they're trying to throw too many uses into one building. If, if you grant what they're, if you grant everything they're asking, that will be the most intense use that building has ever seen. And I've lived here since 1972, and we have been very lucky that we have been able to see the area go from a very busy, noisy area to a nice, quiet residential area. And, and I'm, I'm concerned that that's changing because when people meet there and I guess it's the wrestling club, they go flying down the street, drag racing, speeding noise. Some of these cars sound like a fart machine. They on purpose, they just make as much noise as they can. And when it's 10 o'clock at night, you know, people are trying to sleep. We would like to live in a nice, quiet area.  
Speaker 3     02:34:57    Mr. Hardenberg there's been no testimony before the board about the assembly use. I, I don't believe that that's gonna be approved by the board.  
Speaker 23    02:35:06    Excellent. The garage talks about in, in the, the literature that you send out, it talked about storage and repair of personal vehicles whose personal vehicle, my personal vehicle, your personal vehicle, his personal vehicle, if there should be no repair of vehicles. I mean, I know that there was a rescue squad there and they had ambulances, but they didn't repair the stuff there. They took it to a repair facility and had it done there.  
Speaker 3     02:35:36    There there's no application for a repair business at that site.  
Speaker 23    02:35:41    Well, when I read it, it said that he was applying for a garage storage and repair of personal vehicles. And I wanna the  
Speaker 3     02:35:50    Testimony here tonight is no repairs.  
Speaker 1     02:35:53    Mark. If you listen to Mr. Hinterstein, he, he kind of addressed those issues.  
Speaker 23    02:36:00    Yes. But I wanna highlight what  
Speaker 1     02:36:01    Mr. Mr. Hinterstein  
Speaker 23    02:36:03    Good job. And, and I want highlight those and make sure that his, his comments are not vain.  
Speaker 1     02:36:12    Thank you. Thank you, Ms. Berg, Ms. Buckley.  
Speaker 23    02:36:16    I, I think that's all I had. Just lemme look real quick. Sure. I talked to him about two things that I thought were a problem. And I would say to the zoning board, please remember the negative criteria when you vote. As some of these things are probably not useful for the neighborhood and are detrimental.  
Speaker 1     02:36:37    Okay. Thank you. Thank  
Speaker 3     02:36:39    You,  
Speaker 1     02:36:40    Miss Buckley. Next person.  
Speaker 17    02:36:42    Next one. Is Patty Patty stronger glasses. Patty. An Paul. Yes, that's correct.  
Speaker 1     02:36:48    And Paul, thank  
Speaker 3     02:36:48    You. And could you raise your right hand? You swear that testimony you're about to give should be the truth.  
Speaker 17    02:36:54    Yes, sir.  
Speaker 3     02:36:55    Your name and address please.  
Speaker 17    02:36:57    Patty anal, a N T O L 1775 west fifth street, Piscataway rear property line, basically from where we're talking about.  
Speaker 3     02:37:06    Thank you.  
Speaker 17    02:37:08    I just have a few simple questions. Is there any proposed change or enhancement to the outdoor lighting?  
Speaker 18    02:37:18    Do you want? I can certainly address that. One of Mr. Stein's comments was a, which we agreed to incorporate. If there is a, as a condition, if there is a approval was to address the lighting with L E D lighting and to provide appropriate lighting, no more flood lighting, cuz I think there's an existing flood light on the site and I'll defer to Mr. Hinterstein if he has anything else to add to that.  
Speaker 17    02:37:43    Yeah, that actually reminds me, I wonder is Mr. Stein's memo available to the public for view or is that something just between you guys just, I mean, it may not relate to anything that would be of interest to me, but I don't know. We just, you just mentioned, you know, there's a bunch of stuff on it that we're not addressing here.  
Speaker 5     02:38:00    You know what maybe, maybe I'll just briefly go over it this way. Thank,  
Speaker 18    02:38:04    Thank you Henry smart  
Speaker 5     02:38:05    Move questions. Yeah, it may. It may, may answer some of the questions the neighbors have. So basically all missing and damage curbing and sidewalk along both road frontages need to be replaced while damaged sidewalk around the building needs to be replaced and provide safe and ADA accessible access. The existing parking lot is in poor condition needs to be adequately repaired. The parking lot striping does not meet standards for angle parking. It should be reevaluated. So conforming striping and circulation plan can be provided the appropriate ADA space spaces and signage should be provided. The applicant needs to conform to the state's electric vehicle charging station ordinance, which again, they agreed to all of these at a minimum 10 feet of pavement should be removed from the rear of the property to provide an area for landscape buffering, which consist of six foot high evergreen conifers, six foot solid fence should be installed along both the westerly and northerly property lines for screening and buffering of the site.  
Speaker 5     02:39:07    The existing site lighting needs to be detailed for the site. Existing pole Heights and fixture descriptions should be provided along with the intensity plan so that the existing lighting for the site can be evaluated. The existing lights appear to be flood lights, which are not permitted. The light fixtures should be replaced with the efficient L E fixtures pavements should be removed from the front and size of the building where possible to provide landscape and Chaill trees as required in the site plan ordinance. Currently the site is void of all landscaping and trees and is rather unattractive the existing side plant. There should be aesthetically landscape. The appropriate site should be provided as required that that's basically the stamp report. So all of those items I'll be addressed in some form to our satisfaction.  
Speaker 17    02:40:02    Okay, thanks. Just two more quick ones then. Thank you for that. The Sunday flea market still occurs through from April through November, December. I wonder if the parking was taken into consideration with Mr. Dip use from 10 to 12 on Sundays, if he's run into any, any issues with that, cuz typically that the flea market fills up that parking lot. Pretty nicely. The whole thing,  
Speaker 3     02:40:32    Mr.  
Speaker 18    02:40:33    I'll certainly indicate that the, the, again, there are two separate parking lots. There was at the suggestion, I believe of the Township early on in the application that a, that a rollable or closable fence to section off our side of the parking lot from the, from the fire side of the parking lot be implemented so that when those, when those meets occur or when those flea markets occur, that we can ensure that our parking and the, the flea market parking is kept separate so that we still have adequate parking. And we show that on our, we show that on our plan.  
Speaker 17    02:41:11    Great. All right. Last one. I promise as far as the auto storage and all of that, I'm just wondering about the hours there being that it's really Mr. Bon's personal vehicle, his son's work, whatever they're doing there. I wonder if they're gonna be going in and outta there, like Mr. Hardenberg mentioned, you know, running vehicles late at night, as opposed to just the normal use that Mr. Deus is proposing for his classes.  
Speaker 18    02:41:40    I would ask Mr. Bonna if, if those cutoff, if that 9:00 PM cutoff time for activities on the site, would you agree as well? That that would also apply to accessing that garage as well.  
Speaker 19    02:41:53    These are gonna be dead storage vehicles. These are not cars that are used, that are, these are like high valued cars that are not used. Probably maybe once every two weeks, one, maybe one of the cars are used once every two weeks. They're not, these are not everyday used cars. So they are putting that garage and they're stored in there. It's locked and it's not gonna be the door's not even gonna be opened. They're just,  
Speaker 17    02:42:17    They're not, it's not accessible to the kids in the gym or anything like that.  
Speaker 19    02:42:20    There's, there's a firewall that separates the, the, the storage garage from the office and the wrestling club. The very high value Japanese imported cars that are not, they maybe 200 miles a year on the car is put on that car.  
Speaker 17    02:42:38    Can I come over and look at these cars? They look  
Speaker 19    02:42:41    Whenever you want, whenever you want.  
Speaker 17    02:42:42    You're in my backyard. All right. Thank you.  
Speaker 19    02:42:45    You're welcome. Thank you, Patty. Thank you, Patty. Miss Buckley.  
Speaker 17    02:42:51    No one else is raising their hand.  
Speaker 24    02:42:52    Ronald. No problem. I have a question. I don't know how to raise my hand on the thing. Sorry.  
Speaker 19    02:42:57    That's  
Speaker 24    02:42:58    Okay. Oh, my name is,  
Speaker 3     02:42:59    Can I get your name and address please?  
Speaker 24    02:43:00    Yes. There Nikki Jones, 1 21 bond street, Bridgewater, New Jersey.  
Speaker 3     02:43:08    Thank you. Could you raise your right hand? I need to swear you in. Yes.  
Speaker 24    02:43:11    Have my right hand raised.  
Speaker 3     02:43:13    Do you swear the testimony you're about to give should be the truth?  
Speaker 24    02:43:16    I will. I do.  
Speaker 3     02:43:18    Thank you. Go ahead.  
Speaker 24    02:43:19    Only two questions. One question is, will there be any loitering of students outside the rescue squad of the building?  
Speaker 19    02:43:29    No,  
Speaker 24    02:43:31    No. At all.  
Speaker 19    02:43:32    No, they, they, they immediately go into their cause and they leave.  
Speaker 24    02:43:36    Okay. Second question. Can students from children from the neighborhood or high school students, can they join this club?  
Speaker 19    02:43:45    Yes, they can.  
Speaker 20    02:43:46    Mark, if,  
Speaker 19    02:43:47    Let Donny answer that, I guess.  
Speaker 20    02:43:50    Yes. So we, we have been getting a lot of local kids from Piscataway and South Plainfield and, and the surrounding areas that, that, that are showing interest in joining our club. And one of the things that, you know, as a police officer in, in, in, in, in my community, one of the things that I do have to point out that I feel is, is important is that we, we are not, we are not doing this just to make a profit. We're not doing this just to, just to run a business. If, if it was about making a profit, I, I probably wouldn't even be doing this. I, I could work overtime. We have plenty of overtime in summit as a police officer. I, I, I could, I could work every day if I wanted to, I'm doing this because I, I love coaching wrestling. I love coaching kids.  
Speaker 20    02:44:36    And I love giving back to the community. And we have a lot of kids in, in, in the surrounding towns that we give free memberships to a lot, you know, underprivileged kids that, that, that can't afford going to a wrestling club, but love wrestling nowadays in, in all type, in, in all sports, not just wrestling, but baseball and, and, and, and lacrosse and all, all these sports. I mean, it, it's starting to become specialization and, and club club sports is starting to take over soccer. I mean, you're, you're, you're seeing it happen on a national level. And there's a lot of kids that are really good at wrestling that can't afford a wrestling club and we give free memberships to kids that can't afford it. So we're not, we're not just here to make a profit, we're here to try to give back to the community. So it's again, I mean, to answer your question, like, yeah, there's a lot of kids from the local community that, that, that, that we provide a service to. And, and we don't, we don't do it just to get their money. We do it sometimes for free for a lot of kids, so.  
Speaker 24    02:45:35    Okay. Thank you. Appreciate really beneficial in that for the students. Thank you very much.  
Speaker 1     02:45:41    Sure. Thank you. Ma'am appreciate it. Miss Buckley,  
Speaker 24    02:45:46    Don't see anyone. Else's hands  
Speaker 1     02:45:48    Seeing none. I'm gonna close the public portion. Mr. Kinneally. I will need some instruction. I am in favor of the two aspects of this application, the wrestling and the weight lifting.  
Speaker 3     02:46:05    You have four use variances before you. Number one is the garage, the public garage. Number two is the assembly, which you've heard no testimony about. Right? Number three is the wrestling club. Number four is the weight lifting. If you feel that the wrestling club and the weight lifting are permissible, then you can vote in favor of that. If you don't believe that there's been adequate testimony on the first two, then you can vote against those.  
Speaker 1     02:46:44    I would make a motion to vote against the assembly and to vote against the private garage and in favor of the weightlifting and the wrestling. Can I get a second out a second? Thank you. Kalpesh can I pull the roll,  
Speaker 2     02:47:11    Mr. Weisman?  
Speaker 1     02:47:15    Yes.  
Speaker 2     02:47:16    Mr. Tillery.  
Speaker 18    02:47:21    Yes.  
Speaker 2     02:47:22    Mr. Patel. Yes. MRIO  
Speaker 1     02:47:26    Yes.  
Speaker 2     02:47:29    Mr. Dacey. Did we lose Rodney? MRCA Mr. Haka?  
Speaker 1     02:47:40    Yes.  
Speaker 2     02:47:41    And Chairman Mateo.  
Speaker 1     02:47:44    Yes.  
Speaker 18    02:47:48    I, I thank you all for your, for your time and for your patience tonight. And I thank you for, I, I, I think the, the attention and the, the thought that you put into this one thing that I will ask or that I will add is that I know that we're trying to get the, the wrestling club up and running as soon as possible. And with the additional site improvements that we are, that we are agreeing to do. I know it's gonna take some time to put together the, to show those on a, on an approved site plan. And to go through that, I would like to ask the board's permission to, to be able to operate that wrestling club on a, a as part of a, a TCO sooner than, than being able to complete all of those, those, those site approvals. And I don't know if that has to be done by way of a developer's agreement or what the mechanism would be, but  
Speaker 3     02:48:42    Yeah, Mr. Arch, I don't believe the zoning board has that authority. You'll have to take that up with the Township,  
Speaker 18    02:48:48    But certainly no objection. If we can enter into a developer's agreement with the Township to, to hash those out, those issues out  
Speaker 3     02:48:54    Mr. Cahill, you don't have any objection to that.  
Speaker 1     02:48:57    None whatsoever.  
Speaker 18    02:48:59    Thank you.  
Speaker 1     02:49:00    Thank you, Mr. Arch,  
Speaker 18    02:49:05    Have a wonderful evening.  
Speaker 1     02:49:06    Everybody let's move on. You too. My friend, let's move on to item number 13, which is the adoption of resolution from the regular meeting of June 9th, 2022.  
Speaker 3     02:49:15    First resolution is Paul Coro. This application based upon the amended application was approved. Mr. Weisman? Yes. Mr. Tillery. Yes. Mr. Patel. Yes. Mr. O'Reggio. Yes. Mr. Blount. Yes. Mr. Dacey. Mr. Mitterando  
Speaker 1     02:49:43    You muted? Yes.  
Speaker 3     02:49:44    Mr. Dacey. Yes. Chairman Cahill.  
Speaker 1     02:49:49    Yes.  
Speaker 3     02:49:50    Second resolution is Carl Walton. This application was approved. Mr. Weisman? Yes. Mr. Tillery? Yes. Mr. Patel. Yes. Mr. O'Reggio. Yes. Mr. Blount, Mr. Haka? Yes. Mr. Mitterando. Yes. Mr. Ali. Yes. Chairman Cahill.  
Speaker 1     02:50:16    Yes.  
Speaker 3     02:50:17    Those are all the resolutions. I have  
Speaker 1     02:50:19    Item number 14 is adoption of the minutes from the regular meeting of June 9th, 2022. All in favor. Aye.  
Speaker 3     02:50:26    Aye.  
Speaker 1     02:50:30    Like to make a motion to adjourn all in favor, say aye.  
Speaker 3     02:50:34    Hi.  
Speaker 1     02:50:34    Once again, you guys impressed me that long meeting tonight. Lot, lot of material to cover and thank you all for your volunteering. Have a great, great couple of weeks, and we'll see you in July.  
Speaker 3     02:50:46    Happy 4th of July. Happy fourth.