Transcript for Piscataway Zoning meeting on December 8 2022
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Speaker 0 00:00:08 Come to order. Adequate notice of this meeting was provided in the following ways. Notice published in the Courier News notice posted on the Bolton Board in the municipal building notice made available to the Township clerk notice sent to the Curry News and the star ledger. Will the clerk please call the roll? Speaker 1 00:00:24 Mr. Weisman? Here. Mr. Tillery? Here. Mr. Patel? Here. Mr. Reggio. Mr. Blan? Here. Mr. Hay? Daca. Here. Mr. Mitterando? Here. Mr. El here. And Chairman Cahill. Here. Speaker 0 00:00:47 Will everyone stand for a pledge Allegiance? Speaker 2 00:00:51 The pledge allegiance to the flag flag of United States America to the Republican Justice for all. Speaker 0 00:01:06 Mr. Kinneally, are there any changes to our agenda this evening? Speaker 2 00:01:09 Yes, there are. There are quite a few changes. The application of Mr. ERUs Stelton Road is off until January 12th, 2023 with no further notice. The application of N Y S M S A Verizon on South Randolphville Road is off until January 12th, 2023. They will notice the application of 100 Lakeview Avenue is off until January 26th, 2023 with no further notice by the applicant. The application for Stool 10 Dunbar Avenue is off until January 12th, 2023 with no further notice. And finally, the barber application. Three. Jenny Place is off until January 12th, 2023 with no further notice. Those are all the changes that I Speaker 0 00:01:55 Have. Thank you, Mr. Kinneally. Let's proceed to item number 5 22 ZB 86 V. Kevin Wilson. Speaker 2 00:02:03 Mr. Wilson, are you present? Speaker 4 00:02:04 Yes. Speaker 2 00:02:05 And need to swear you in? Could you raise your right hand? Do you swear the testimony you're about to give should be the truth? Speaker 4 00:02:12 Yes. Speaker 2 00:02:13 Thank you. Your name and address and explain to the board while you're here please. Speaker 4 00:02:17 Kevin Wilson. 7 0 7. So Lane Piscataway. I was doing a covered front porch, but with the zoning setback problems, I'm not doing it anymore. We're just gonna do a, a platform and a set of steps down to the sidewalk and try to retain the back patio cover. Speaker 0 00:02:39 Mr. Wilson, I believe you were working with Henry on some issues. Henry, you have any comments on this? Speaker 3 00:02:47 Yeah, this, as you may recall, from the time he came in previously, I dunno how much testimony at that time was given, but the application was for a pretty, you know, rather large covered porch that it protruded into the front yard setback quite substantially. And also with the existing covered rear patio, the impervious coverage, I think resulted in a total impervious coverage amount of over 25%. In speaking with Mr. Wilson and going over some of the issues with the application and some of the problems that I, that I saw with the coverage and the setback variances, Mr. Wilson offered to revise his application in order to maintain the existing patio coverage to the rear of the property and just go with a covered landing in the front with a set of steps relocated to the front. In doing so, his impervious coverage variance will be modified or revised to a 23.5%, and the front yard setback will now be reduced to 33 feet for the landing and 29 feet for the steps. So with those revisions, and he had sent me the, some sketches of what the revisions would look like, I don't have really any issues with those revisions. I think he did a good job in taking the comments and the discussion that we had and trying to pair down that impervious coverage to a manageable amount. And now the, the front yard setback, I think of 33 feet for that covered front porch area. Front landing is acceptable with the 29 feet to the steps. I think he's accomplished a much better plan for the project. Speaker 0 00:04:46 Awesome. Thank you, Henry. Any other members of the board have any questions for Mr. Wilson or any comments? Hearing none, I'm gonna open to the public. Anyone in the public have any questions or comments about this application? Speaker 5 00:05:00 Yes. Hi, my name is Joanna Drennan. I am a neighbor to the Wilton family. I'd just like Speaker 2 00:05:08 Ms. Drennan, I need to swear you in. Could you raise your right Speaker 5 00:05:11 Hand? That I will, Speaker 2 00:05:12 The testimony you're about to give should be the truth. Speaker 5 00:05:14 Yes. Speaker 2 00:05:15 Thank you. Speaker 5 00:05:16 You're welcome. This family is, we're very lucky to have them in our neighborhood. Number one, they're very efficient about their property as far as maintaining it. Their family is, the, the children they have are, are very helpful to the other neighbors, like especially me in my garden helping me pull weeds. I mean, really, we got a wonderful family here and it's nice to see that things worked out between Henry and Kevin Wilson and hopefully this would be a good thing for them to have Speaker 1 00:05:57 What they're asking for. Speaker 0 00:05:59 Thank you, Joanna. We appreciate you making an appearance. Speaker 1 00:06:02 Thank you. Speaker 0 00:06:03 An anyone else in the public have any questions or comments? Buckley, you're muted. Sweet. Speaker 1 00:06:11 I just saw that, sorry, no one's raising their hand. Speaker 0 00:06:14 Okay. Thank you. At this point, I'm gonna close the public portion and I'll make a point of thanking Mr. Wilson for working with the Township to, to get to this place where we are. And I, I think it's a good application. I'm glad that Henry is, is seeing it as well. And I'd make a motion to approve this application. I'll take, please call roll. Speaker 1 00:06:40 Mr. Weisman? Yes. Mr. Tillery? Yes. Mr. Patel? Yes. Mr. Blan? Speaker 0 00:06:46 Yes. Speaker 1 00:06:47 Mr. Hay. Daca? Yes. Mr. Mitterando? Yes. And Chairman Cahill? Speaker 0 00:06:53 Yes. Speaker 2 00:06:54 Mr. Wilson, you're a revised application has been approved. We will memorialize it in a written document at our next meeting. You don't need to be present for that. We'll send that document to you. Speaker 0 00:07:03 Okay? Thank you very much. Thanks. Have a good night. Thank you. See you Joanna. Speaker 1 00:07:09 Okay, bye. Speaker 0 00:07:10 Take care. At this point, we gotta move, skip over a couple of pieces and go over to item number 9 22 dash ZB dash 90 V. Michael Kearns. Speaker 2 00:07:23 Mr. Kearns, are you present? Speaker 0 00:07:25 You're muted. Mr. Kearns. Mr. Kearns, you're muted, sir. Yep. That, there you go. There you go. Speaker 2 00:07:33 Okay. Mr. Kearns, I need to swear you in. You your right hand. Do you swear the testimony you're about to give should be the truth? Speaker 0 00:07:40 Yes. Speaker 2 00:07:40 Your name and address please? Speaker 6 00:07:42 Michael Kearns. 1 91 Dunnell Avenue. Piscataway. Speaker 2 00:07:46 Thank you. Could you explain to the board what you'd like to do here? Speaker 6 00:07:49 Well, I have already put a fence up in a shed up over an easement. That was 32 years ago. I just realized now that I'm in violation. Speaker 2 00:08:02 And do you understand that if the Township ever needs to access that easement, you would be responsible for removing and replacing the fence on the shed? Speaker 6 00:08:09 Understood. Speaker 2 00:08:12 I don't have any other questions for Mr. Kurt. Mr. Speaker 0 00:08:14 Chairman, Mr. Hinterstein. And muted as well. Speaker 3 00:08:18 Yeah. No. Mr. Kinneally stall my thunder and there's no other conditions. Speaker 0 00:08:25 Okay. Any other members of the board have any questions or comments? Hearing none, I'm gonna open it to the public. Anyone in the public have any comments or questions from Mr. Kiens or this application? Ms. Buckley? Speaker 1 00:08:42 Sorry, my recording device isn't working. I'm playing around. No one Chairman. Speaker 0 00:08:45 No one's there. Okay. I'm gonna close the public portion and bring it on back and make a motion to approve this application. A second. Please call the roll. Speaker 1 00:08:55 Mr. Wasteman? Yes. Mr. Tillery? Yes. Mr. Patel? Yes. Mr. Bla? Yes. Mr. Hay daca? Yes. Mr. Mitterando? Yes. And Chairman Cahill? Speaker 0 00:09:08 Yes. Speaker 2 00:09:09 Mr. Kerns, your application's been approved. We will memorialize it in a written document at our next meeting. You don't need to be present for that. We'll mail that document to you. All right. Thank you very much. Speaker 0 00:09:18 Thank you. Have a good night, sir. Thank you. Let's keep the party going on item number 10 22 dash zb dash 21 v. Calvin. So Speaker 2 00:09:29 Is Calvin Sora present. Speaker 0 00:09:33 You're muted, sir. Mr. Summer Speaker 2 00:09:43 Mr. Dacey, I need to swear you in. Could you raise your right hand? Do you swear the testimony you're about to give should be the truth? Yes. Thank you. Could you explain to the board what you'd like to do here and how it's different than the last time you were here? Speaker 7 00:09:56 Yes. Well, I'm doing a variance for addition for extension of, because of the family, which I readjusted drawings less than three feet. More, less. So, you know, I went back a minute. I, I leave a voicemail for Mr. Henry a few days ago doing a response from him. So, but Laura make me to, you know, want me to come here to see my next options. Speaker 0 00:10:21 Okay. Henry, would you address the current status of this Speaker 3 00:10:26 Application? Yeah, Mr. Chaill did revise the plans. He submitted the revised plans. The, the revised plans did pair down the addition slightly. I believe it was just confirm. I believe that the addition actually was pared down approximately two feet. But again, regardless, it it, it pared it down so that the coverage went from what was being asked to, which, let's see here was two pages of balances. So I apologize. Went from 28.15% in coverage to 26.15%, which was approximately 2% less. In looking at this, you know, it's still a little bit severe. I think my recommendation to Mr. So was I think he just needs to get rid of that, the canopy in the backyard, the, the shed could stay just, it, the shed has to be limited to the shed. So you can't attach any additional, you know, roofs to the side of it. Speaker 3 00:11:34 If, if you just keep the shed, I think that's acceptable. If you agree to just take out that canopy. And then I think you would also offer to relocate the fences a little bit further back, feet further back so that there's a little bit more visibility in the, in the front yard, in that front sort of site corridor. I think that this application could be approved by removing that canopy, Mr. Kinneally. The, the coverage variance would be reduced to 24.35%. So from where we started at 28.15 on this, you know, quite substantially undersized it's marked improvement. Definitely a marked improvement. Yeah, it would be a big improvement. So as long as the applicant's willing to remove the, the canopy and the, and just keep the shed to the shed footprint and not attach any extra roofs to it or, or keep anything outside of it, I think we're, we're in good shape and moving the fence. Correct. Okay. Speaker 7 00:12:38 But I move the fence. The fence is already moved already. Speaker 3 00:12:40 Okay, terrific. Great. Speaker 7 00:12:41 Are you only, my question is, right, I have the 10 by 10 canopy, which is a hundred square feet. You know, summertime you need to sit down outside. Only my last option to bring the drawing, do a new drawing smaller instead of seven feet out. I come to five feet, which is gonna be less two feet width and or two by 44, which gonna bring me close to a hundred square feet to, to accomplish the, the canopy, you know, Speaker 3 00:13:10 Is the canopy, the canopy's not something that's permanent Correct. Out there? Speaker 7 00:13:16 No permanent. It's movable. It's, you know, it's something in the summertime. You sit down outside the rain, its the house, it's movable. It's 10 by 10, you could take it whatever is very light. It's not heavy. I bolted down. Well, it's not like a temporary, it's permanent, it's temporary. Just a summertime, you know, you need to hang out outside like where the watch the kids play, you know, it's sun or rain, you outside, you know, have a coffee, which is very nice. So, you know, I remove the canopy, you know, would be my option. My living there. I've been there six years and when I bought it out, I did a full renovation. You know, so my last option will, you know, if you guys agree, I could bring a drawing a little more smaller, make the extension a little more smaller by, I don't know how much square footage by your calculation. Speaker 3 00:14:02 Yeah, I mean I have no, it's up. That's really up to you to make that decision. If you'd like to reduce the addition even further to get your, you know, your coverage down to that 24.35, so another a hundred square feet, that's up to you. Or you could just remove the canopy. And then in the summertime, if you need some, you know, temporary shade, you put up a temporary canopy or something that you could just put up and then take down. But I'll leave that up to you to determine whether you prefer to have, you know, a canopy that's a little bit more permanent. You know, lemme just take a quick peek at this. One of the, I am on your, your, your drawing here. Yeah. I mean, again, you have a, it's the backyard's tight. So the canopy also requires a, another variance for the rear yard setback for an accessory structure. Speaker 3 00:14:57 So it, it's not a shed, it's, it's a canopy. So it's considered an accessory structure. And I think it's noted in here that you would need a, a variance for that rear yard setback for an accessory structure. So by removing the canopy, you not only improve the, the coverage, but you're also eliminating another variance, which I think is something that the board then would look upon, I think, more favorably than you just, you know, reducing the addition and, and keeping the canopy out there. But I'll let you make that decision. I mean, the variance isn't great. Six feet versus eight feet. I think the Township could live with that. I think the more important issue is the, the coverage. So you just need to tell us, you know, which you prefer. But I think that 24.15 number is the nu or three five number is the number that we would shoot for Speaker 7 00:15:55 As of how much square footage I need to come down with your calculation, how much square footage Speaker 3 00:16:00 The canopy is. The canopy is a hundred is 10 by 10, it's a hundred square feet. So if you leave the canopy, then you need to take another a hundred square feet away from somewhere, whether it's a combination of the shed and your addition, just the addition. I'll leave that up to you. What, what's more important Speaker 7 00:16:18 To you? As of now, I will do, I will reduce the drawings to five feet, which is gonna bring me around a 1992 square or less. I dunno if that's gonna be, because if I take two by 44, that's 88 square. It doesn't be enough. Speaker 3 00:16:35 92 square feet you said? Speaker 7 00:16:37 Yes. If I took, if I took only two feet, I have the drawing already immediately adjustment with a new drawing just to stand by to submit it. Speaker 3 00:16:44 Yeah. The problem is, is I need a number in order to, to provide a coverage, what the coverage is gonna be. We can't just, you know, create a, a made up number. So I need to know what the revision is. So if you're telling me you're going down Speaker 7 00:17:03 92, I have 92 square down, I have the new drawing too. Standby and Speaker 3 00:17:07 That, so that's on top of the other reduction. You did already? Yes. Speaker 7 00:17:11 Yes. I have a standby copy. Speaker 0 00:17:14 Henry, do you want him to submit this to us? And we can put this off to a vote at a later point? Speaker 3 00:17:19 Well look at me. Gimme three seconds here. Okay, so he's saying 92 square feet, Speaker 0 00:17:25 But he has revised drawings that we have, you haven't received yet, correct? Speaker 3 00:17:30 No, I received one set. So I would imagine he's, he's, he's moving in the entire side of the, the addition. So he, the, the addition is, is going out 1, 1 6, lemme Speaker 7 00:17:45 See it was 10 feet. Now I bring it to seven feet, one inches. Speaker 3 00:17:49 Right, but your, what your latest plan was how far the revised plan, Speaker 7 00:17:57 The revise seven feet, one inches out more. So I, I take out at least three feet. So if I, if I removed it two other feet, you know your, Speaker 3 00:18:07 No, listen, your, your addition was is that six feet, 10 inches is the new, new addition. So the, the first floor was reduced from nine something down to six 10. Are you saying you're gonna go down even further? Speaker 7 00:18:24 Yes, I could go down my, you know, something further. Yes. Speaker 3 00:18:28 So, but you said it's 92 square feet. What's the width of the addition? Do you know? Speaker 7 00:18:34 Yeah, five feet right now is five feet, one inches out. Speaker 3 00:18:38 Okay, Speaker 3 00:18:42 So that's basically one foot nine inch reduction, right? 6 10, 1 foot nine inch. Yeah. So 1.19 inches. Right. So nine inches is 1.7 5 44. Just gimme one second. Take your time. Yeah, that's only 77 feet. So that's not a, you know, again, I, I think your better solution is, to be honest with you, is the, is the canopy. But you would have to go a little bit further in to get to that a hundred square feet, the one foot nine inches by the depth of the, the property only gives you an additional 77 square feet. And you know, I think, I think the number you need to get to is that 24.35 at a minimum or at least close to it. So, you know, 92 might have been okay, but you're not in year 92. You're, you know, Speaker 7 00:19:47 So I will do, I will, I will do the adjustment for the addition. And also I'll try to reduce the shed a little smaller, a 10, maybe 20 square or less. Because canopy is like, you know, I'm gonna put it back. Even if I remove it, I'm still gonna have it in the future. It's because this canopy is, it's temporary, not like permanent either. Or I'm gonna have a canopy because it's, it's, you know, it's summertime, it either outside. So if I take it out now in the summer, I will put it back. So that does not even, you know, gonna cooperate Speaker 0 00:20:22 If permanent, if it's not considered a permanent structure, could, could he do that? I mean, Speaker 3 00:20:28 I believe so. Mr. Kinneally, what would you consider that canopy to be? How, how we need a building permit, I think to be a permanent type structure and some type of anchoring system. I Speaker 2 00:20:38 I agree. The permit and the anchoring system would make it permanent. Speaker 7 00:20:42 Yeah. If Speaker 8 00:20:43 It's, if it's a 10. If it's a 10, it's not, not a, doesn't require a building permit. Speaker 3 00:20:49 I think Speaker 8 00:20:50 It's, our ordinance doesn't really regulate 'em. Speaker 3 00:20:52 Yeah. Speaker 8 00:20:53 I don't think. But if it gets into what, what Jim is talking about, one of these mechanical things with a canvas cover that does need a building permit. Yeah, Speaker 3 00:21:04 I think it's like a fancier version. Speaker 8 00:21:06 I think Sean's comment was more, it seems to be right on point. You're going all around in circles here. I think you have just sit down and just take an extra month and, and make sure you, he gets what he wants and you're satisfied. Speaker 3 00:21:23 I think you're right because there's just too many versions of this floating around at this point. Speaker 8 00:21:27 That's correct. Yeah. Speaker 0 00:21:29 Mr. Summer, I'm gonna recommend that we put this off you, come up with some more ideas and get them into Henry and we'll come to a better place with this application at one of our next meetings. Because right now with that, with you not wanting to remove that canopy, I don't think that your application would vote favorably tonight. Speaker 7 00:21:47 I could remove it, but then in the summertime I will put it back. So it doesn't really, you know, it's not like it's gonna be permanent removed because summertime you need something I could take it apart. It take me 10 minutes to take it apart and put it in the ground. Then after the, after the summertime, I'll have to reinstall it. O off and on, take it off winter the time, put it on summertime, like, so it's not something, you know, I think we 10 minutes, I'll let you get a block. Speaker 0 00:22:09 Well, I, I don't have a problem with that because quite honestly I take my umbrella on my patio down as soon as it comes to October and I put it back up in April. So I understand where you're coming from, but I don't have a 10 by 10 umbrella. I mean, Henry, is that something we could do? Speaker 3 00:22:28 I mean, I think we can make it that there'll be no permanent canopy out there strictly a, you know, poor Multicar Speaker 0 00:22:35 365 needs Speaker 3 00:22:36 To be. Yeah, that needs to be, you know, removed. It can't be out there permanently. Speaker 0 00:22:41 Okay, Mr. So Speaker 7 00:22:44 Yes, Speaker 0 00:22:44 That's, that's the language of this application is that it cannot be out there permanently. 365 a year cannot be out there. Speaker 7 00:22:52 Okay. So, okay, so if I remove it, I'll remove it tomorrow, put it in the ground and then put it back some time that's, you think that should be okay? Speaker 0 00:23:00 I I, I don't have a problem with that. I have a question. If it's, if there's an anchoring system already in place, does the anchoring system have to come out? Speaker 3 00:23:14 I depends on what the anchoring system in, if we're just talking about, you know, some stakes so it doesn't blow away in a, in a breeze. I think we're fine as long as it's nothing permanent footings something that requires I think a building permit, I think we're fine. But you know, if I go back and, and you know, I see this canopy and the building department when they come out says that they, that needs a, a building permit and permit, it's gonna have to be removed Speaker 0 00:23:48 Mr. Summer, how do you Speaker 8 00:23:50 That's why I suggested, I I think they should sit down and get a plan and know what Speaker 0 00:23:54 This Yeah, I'd like to know anchors and holds this canopy down. It it, the Cahn the dialogue that we're having here is Ted convoluted. I don't know exactly what we're dealing with. I'm gonna suggest to you, Mr. Soma, what I said earlier and that is we put this off to another meeting. In the meantime, get in contact with Henry and see if we can't come up with a more viable solution. Henry, I can meet you. I think it's in your best interest to be honest. Maybe Speaker 3 00:24:23 I can meet you at the site, Mr. Samran, Speaker 0 00:24:25 That'll be perfect. Speaker 3 00:24:26 You could show me the canopy and, and how it, you keep it anchored to the ground Speaker 0 00:24:31 And the mechanism and whatnot. I think that's the better solution. Speaker 7 00:24:34 Yes. Yeah, I was trying to get you out this week I believe, but I didn't get return my call, so that was one of my concern, you know, before I come here, because I work second shift. I work, I'm on work right now when I can't keep taking off, you know, so I'm at work right now, so, Speaker 0 00:24:51 But I'm sure you can come to, I'm sure the two of yous can come to a date where it's amicable and then we can vote on this application with all the facts in order at the next meeting. So Laura, where can we fit him on for the next meeting? The Speaker 9 00:25:05 January 26th. Speaker 0 00:25:07 Can can you go there? January 26th? Good. Mr. Samara? Speaker 7 00:25:11 Yes. Yes, Speaker 0 00:25:12 I sounds good. And I'll send you the link. Thank you, Jim. Speaker 7 00:25:14 No problem. Thank you. Speaker 3 00:25:15 And I'll reach out to you Mr. Samara. We'll, we'll try to take a look at that canopy. Little bit closer out of the property. Speaker 7 00:25:22 Yeah, definitely, definitely. I think can you look, stop by, you know, we make arrangements, you come by and you can take a look and, you know, gimme some idea on your part. We can up an idea. Speaker 3 00:25:32 Okay. Speaker 2 00:25:33 So anybody here on the sorun application is being carried to January 26th, 2023 with no further notice by the applicant. Speaker 0 00:25:43 Thank you Mr. Soran. See you. We'll see you next month on the 26th. Thank. Next item. 1322 ZB 85 Macedonia FreeWheel Baptist Church. Speaker 9 00:25:57 Good evening. Diane Dubs appearing on behalf of the applicant. We are here for final major subdivision approval. We were here previously on 4 22 21 and the board granted the subdivision as well as the preliminary and final site plan. The ME resolution was memorialized in May and we are here now for final approval of the major subdivision. Speaker 2 00:26:29 Thank you. Do you have witnesses, Speaker 9 00:26:32 Mr. Tr Trudo is here. We weren't anticipating having any testimony, but if you have any questions, he's certainly capable of answering Speaker 1 00:26:42 The engineer. Tom Trudo is here. Speaker 0 00:26:46 Any members of the board have any questions about this application? Pretty much all You were on the panel when this was approved? I, myself included Speaker 1 00:26:57 Yes, sir. Speaker 0 00:26:59 Henry, any issues with you? And Speaker 3 00:27:01 I don't believe so. I believe for a final major, I think, I don't think the zoning officer would've put this on the agenda unless all the conditions of the, the Speaker 0 00:27:12 Resolution Speaker 3 00:27:13 Of approval were met. So I am pretty comfortable, I think, stating that I think all the conditions of the resolution have probably been met or bonded for, or whatever is needed in order for this to get onto this agenda. I, I'm pretty comfortable that the, the final major can be Speaker 0 00:27:35 Granted. Thank you. I agree. Any other members of the board have any questions? Hearing none, I'm gonna open it to the public. Anyone in the public have any questions or comments about this application? Speaker 1 00:27:48 No. One Chairman Speaker 0 00:27:49 Okay. Close the public portion and I would make a motion to approve the, the Speaker 1 00:27:56 Final major subdivision, Speaker 0 00:27:57 Final major subdivision. Thank you. Welcome. I'll second. Speaker 1 00:28:02 Who's second? I'm sorry, Speaker 10 00:28:04 Artie. Speaker 1 00:28:05 Thank you. Thank Speaker 0 00:28:06 You. Hardie, please call roll. Speaker 1 00:28:08 Mr. Weisman? Yes. Mr. Tillery? Yes. Mr. Patel? Yes. Mr. Regio. Oh, sorry. Mr. Blan? Yes. Mr. Hay daca? Yes. Mr. Mitterando? Yes. And Chairman Cahill? Speaker 0 00:28:24 Yes. Speaker 2 00:28:25 We will memorialize this in resolution at our next meeting and send it to you. Speaker 1 00:28:29 Thank you very much. Have a great night. You too, ma'am. Thank you. Speaker 0 00:28:33 Let's go to item number 1422 ZB 93 V Infinity Biologics, llc. Speaker 2 00:28:42 Is Mr. Butler present? Speaker 10 00:28:44 Yes, I am. Speaker 2 00:28:46 Go ahead Mr. Butler. Speaker 10 00:28:48 Good evening. Thank you Mr. Chairman and members of the board. My name is Michael Butler. I am the attorney on behalf of the applicant tonight. And we're here asking for a D six use variance for property that's located at 30 Knightsbridge Road in it's block 20, sorry, block 62 0 1 lot 4.02. Just before I begin, I did, I did serve notice and I sent the affidavit of service and publication up to Laura. I just wanna make sure that that was all in order and that the board can accept jurisdiction. Speaker 2 00:29:27 I reviewed your notice. It is in order and the board has jurisdiction to proceed. Speaker 10 00:29:31 Perfect, thanks. And then just also before I begin, I think I, I think I have three memorandums on the application. One was the review memorandum deeming the application complete. That was dated November 18th, 2022. I received a memorandum from Henry dated November 30th, 2022. And a memorandum from Mr. Chadwick dated December 5th, 2022. I don't think that there are any other memorandums except for those three. Speaker 2 00:30:08 I believe that's all of them. Speaker 10 00:30:09 Okay, perfect. All right. So once again, my name is Michael Butler and I'm, we're here tonight on behalf of my client to ask for a D six use variance. And as the board knows, that is a height variance. This is for a mechanical equipment that's going on top of an existing building at 39th Bridge. It's a very specialized me mechanical equipment. It's air venting equipment that's associated with my client's lab use I in the property. And I have three witnesses tonight. Do you, and I forgot, I don't know if I've ever been before this board before. I've been before the planning board. Do you swear all your witnesses in at one time or do you swear them in as they they come up one by one? Speaker 2 00:30:58 We'll go one at a time. Speaker 10 00:30:59 One at a time. Perfect. Okay. So my first witness tonight is a representative from the applicant. Her name is Mary Stella. Please ignore, she, I guess she used my link. And so it looks like she's Michael Butler. There are two Michael Butlers tonight. But my first witness is Mary Stella and like I said, she's a, she's a representative of the applicant and I just wanted to bring her in tonight to explain who the applicant is and why they're excited to come into Piscataway. And, and a little bit of background on why we're asking for this relief. Speaker 2 00:31:36 Ma'am, I need to swear you in. Could you raise your right hand? Do you swear the testimony you're about to give should be the truth? Speaker 11 00:31:42 I do. Speaker 2 00:31:42 Your name and address please? Speaker 11 00:31:45 Mary Stella, 180 1 Green Village Road, Madison, New Jersey. Speaker 2 00:31:49 Thank you. Could you tell spell your last name please? Speaker 11 00:31:52 S t o r e l l a. Speaker 2 00:31:54 Thank you. Speaker 10 00:31:57 Good evening. Mary, could you just tell the board, skip the board a little bit of background on who you are and what ibx and samples, what, what, what, what they are? Speaker 11 00:32:08 Sure. I I apologize for my voice. I've, I've seemed to have lost my voice as the day has gone on. So sampled is really what we are as a next generation laboratory. We support most, if not all of the large pharma industry throughout New Jersey and the country, helping them to conduct preclinical and clinical research to develop drugs. We do largely genetics and genomics testing on biospecimens or samples. So tissue samples. We store those tissue tissue samples at 30 nights bridge in one of the la largest biorepository. So places where you store biosamples or tissue samples in the world. And then we do corollary analytical laboratory services largely consisting of genetics and genomic services on those samples. And in connection with other services, we're asked to provide from our whole host of clients, which are range from the federal government to large pharma to biotech startups up. Speaker 10 00:33:19 Perfect. And you, right now you are leasing some space at 39th Bridge and the owner of the property, we've spoke to them and they consented to this application, correct? Speaker 11 00:33:31 Yes. Speaker 10 00:33:33 Okay. And the, the, the equipment that, that we're gonna be putting on the roof, that, that's directly associated with the lab that's being fitted out currently? Speaker 11 00:33:46 That's exactly right. We're building a new state-of-the-art laboratory in on one of the floors in the space that we lease. And this equipment is necessary for the operation of that laboratory. Speaker 10 00:33:59 Great. And I think I, I don't know if I heard you say it, did you originally sampled, originally started as a, as a product and a project in the Ruckers and you are currently moving slowly but moving out of the Rucker space and bringing all of your, all of your equipment and expertise over to Piscataway at, at the 39th Bridge location, correct? Speaker 11 00:34:22 Yeah, that's correct. We used to be a laboratory that operated and was owned by Rutgers University. It was spun out in August of 2020. And we still la largely operate throughout the Ru Rutgers campus. And in the first second quarter of next year, we'll be moving all of our laboratory operations that are scattered throughout Rutgers and consolidating them in that new state of state of the art laboratory in the building for which we need the, the mechanical on top of the building in order to, to support. Speaker 10 00:34:56 Perfect. I don't have any other further questions of Mary. I don't know if anyone from the board had any questions. Speaker 0 00:35:03 Any members of the board have any comments or questions for this witness you can put on your next witness? Speaker 8 00:35:10 I just have one question, sorry. John Chairman the equipment on the top, does that have an exhaust to it or is it some other type of function? Speaker 10 00:35:21 Yeah, the next witness will talk a little bit more about the, the, the, the type of equipment. But yes, it, it what Speaker 8 00:35:27 It does. Okay. Speaker 10 00:35:28 Yeah. It, it, it, yeah, it it is an exhaust system. Part of it. Speaker 8 00:35:34 Is this similar to a clean room? Is that the type of lab we're talking about? Speaker 11 00:35:42 No, it's, it's not, it's not a clean room, but there needs to be, it's not exactly a clean room, but that needs to be set up in certain areas of the laboratory to have special pressure to make sure that there's contaminants out of certain areas so that samples that we're working on aren't contaminated by other samples that we're working on in, in the same area. Speaker 2 00:36:07 Okay. Speaker 10 00:36:09 And, and the storage of the samples, Mary, what's, what temperature are they they stored at, Speaker 11 00:36:15 We store samples at a whole variety of temperatures, but we store samples as low as a hundred negative 196 degrees. So it's a whole host of different temperatures that we, that we store. Speaker 10 00:36:30 Okay, perfect. Thank you Speaker 2 00:36:36 Mr. Butler. You can proceed. Speaker 10 00:36:37 Okay. Thank you. Thank you, Mary. My next witness is our architect Patrick. Patrick. I see him there. I guess please swear him in and then I'll, I'll qualify him. Speaker 2 00:36:52 Could you raise your right hand? You swear the testimony you're about to give should be the truth. Speaker 12 00:36:57 I do. Speaker 2 00:36:58 Your name and address, please? Speaker 12 00:37:01 30 Prospect Avenue, basking Ridge, New Jersey zero Speaker 2 00:37:05 Seven. Could you spell your last name please? Speaker 12 00:37:07 P e t r i c. Speaker 2 00:37:09 Thank you. Speaker 10 00:37:14 All right. Good, good evening pet. Mr. Petrick, if you could, could Speaker 12 00:37:18 You just, Speaker 10 00:37:18 Could you just provide the board with some of your qualifications, your education, your background, your New Jersey license? Speaker 12 00:37:25 Sure. I, I'm New Jersey licensed a I also called licensed in Pennsylvania in New York. I, I'm certified and I work from Adelphia Architects and Capacity Associate senior project manager. I graduated in 1999. School architectural, be university. I'm in construction architectural business for over 20 years, serving as a register for 11 years. Speaker 2 00:38:04 And I think the board is happy with your qualifications. Mr. Frederick, you can proceed. Speaker 12 00:38:09 Thank Speaker 10 00:38:10 You, Mr. Chairman. We're gonna share our screen to show some exhibits. I don't know, Patrick, if, if, do you want me to share or do you wanna share? Oh, he's sharing. Speaker 12 00:38:23 Okay. Yeah, I'm sharing right now. Speaker 10 00:38:26 All right. And just for the, the record, are we, mark, do we mark these as exhibit one or do we mark as exhibit A one? I just want to be consistent. This, Speaker 2 00:38:37 This was part of your submission, your application package, so it's already part of the record and does not need to be separately marked. Speaker 10 00:38:44 Okay, great. Perfect. Yeah, I wasn't sure cause we, we picked it up and put it on its own exhibit, but if, yeah, Speaker 12 00:38:49 So we, yeah, we pull this as an exhibit from the, the application exhibit one basically shows location map where the building is situated South east from interstate to 87, Northwest from Route 18 along my switch a road. And on this exhibit two, basically this is the enlarged location map. It's a site plan, present this smart, showing the subject site and building a location relationship to surroundings. As you can see on this map, on one side of the property, we have a residential development with, with the buffer zone of trees. Then on the other two sides we have a parking lot and conversion properties with the solar coverings and entire pro property is hidden behind this, you know, wooden buffers. On this exhibit, you can also see approximate distance from the nice bridge road and from the other properties. Subject property is situated on flat terrain and essentially located Speaker 10 00:40:22 And could you just, it may maybe a little small for the board. Can, can you just go through some of the distances from the building to the, the surrounding property lines? Speaker 12 00:40:32 Yeah, sure. So to, to the buffer zone with the trees to the residential, it's approximately 453 feet. As you can see on this exhibit to the property on the northwest end, it's like 400 feet, two ninth Bridge Road, it's 255 and to Ericsson Drive it's 626 feet. Speaker 10 00:41:07 Perfect, thank you. And, and, and it is an existing building that, that's been there for probably at least 30 years now? Speaker 12 00:41:14 That is correct. That is correct. Speaker 10 00:41:16 Okay. There's also another thing and I, and I forgot to mention, mention this before. What zone is the, the zoning districts? Is the property located in, Speaker 12 00:41:27 This is life industrial five zone, actually property is running on two different zone BP one zone and l i five zone. You will see this dash line, green dash line actually give us an approximation how property lays in terms of the Z. Speaker 10 00:41:53 Perfect, thank you. And, and all, all of the work that's being proposed is located within the l l I five light? Speaker 12 00:41:59 That is correct. That is correct. And I would like to go on the next slide. It's basically from our application, which shows surrounding area views from the streets. It's each of these pictures noted enumerated on the, on the site map that you can see on the screen. So what we are proposing to do is basically to and mechanical equipment, precisely that's the energy recovery unit that, that goes on the roof. And we started with design, which was over 27 feet high. We reduced that to 40 feet, 10, which is obviously about two feet taller than what ordinances allow us to do here. But unfortunately we have to put this unit on a damage and we have to have access of at least two feet underneath for the maintenance purposes. Okay. So, Speaker 10 00:43:14 So just just to clarify, so originally when this equipment, when you first started looking at this equipment, it was much higher, but we brought it down to as close to the building deck as possible and still allow for maintenance and, and, and the proper footings to be put in. Speaker 12 00:43:31 Yeah. Speaker 10 00:43:32 Okay. And you, and there was a question before for Mr. Chadwick about the actual equipment. Can you just explain quickly about what the equipment will be doing? Speaker 12 00:43:45 So this is the energy recovery unit. Basically the energy from build up from the laboratories will be recovered through this unit and reused in the, in the building. So basically we are lowering the impact to the environment. As a matter of fact, there is no impact on the surrounding. It is really environmentally friendly system and it, it's, it's necessary for operation of this laboratory. This equipment will be screened, mechanical equipment will be, you can see building elevation here and angles position of the, you know, from the sidewalks how that, what they can see actually on the building. And you can see that it's, you know, it's, it's not gonna be even visible from the, from that distance. Speaker 10 00:44:56 Okay. Let's, can, can you scroll back up a little bit to the, to the shot down the, the top down shot. Generally how far away from the edge of the property it will the equipment be? I, I see a, a number there, but I, even with my glasses, I can read if, you know Speaker 12 00:45:14 From the edges of the prop of the building will get about 20, 90, 95 feet from, from the nice bridge road is gonna be over 300 feet. Speaker 10 00:45:25 Okay. So approximately 95 feet, a little over from the edge of the prop. So the edge of the building, I apologize. Speaker 12 00:45:32 That is correct? That Speaker 10 00:45:34 Is correct. Okay. And you, you had stated before that the, the height of the proposed height of the equipment would be 14, Speaker 12 00:45:42 14 feet. Speaker 10 00:45:42 10 10, 10 inches. And that the, the code is, there's a little cork in the, the, the Township land use code where 12 feet would be permitted we're over 12 feet by, by two feet 10 inches, correct? Speaker 12 00:45:57 That's, that is correct. Speaker 10 00:45:59 Okay. And you stated just before that I thought this was pretty cool part of the equipment up there. It it's actually a, an energy recovery unit that, that re that captures the heat and, and reci recirculates it back down as as energy for the, the lab. Yeah. And then another part of it would be, would be venting the venting systems and you also, Speaker 12 00:46:28 We have a series of exhaust here, which in, in a way that dilute the air that is coming accessor that is coming out from the, from this unit. Speaker 10 00:46:45 Perfect. And then you also had said that the unit would be screened? Speaker 12 00:46:52 That is correct. Speaker 10 00:46:53 And there was a question from, I think it was from Henry about with the screening blend in architecturally with the colors of the buildings. I know that a final, a final vendor for the screening is not yet set, but o obviously the, the screening, it would blend in with the, the building, it wouldn't stick out. You're not, we're not gonna put pink screening around it or anything like that. It would, it would blend in or match Speaker 12 00:47:22 That? That is correct. And you can see on my screen, this is the type of the screen that will go around the unit. Oh, perfect. Our intention is to enclose this unit and connect visually overall architectural form of the building with proposed addition on this roof, this mechanical equipment. Speaker 10 00:47:42 Perfect. And, and just, just for the record, maybe we should mark that as exhibit A one? Speaker 0 00:47:48 Yes. I don't recall seeing that one before. So a one with today's date please. Speaker 10 00:47:51 Yep. So that, so that it would be the screening, I guess screening example, A Speaker 12 00:48:02 One visual screen example. Yep. Speaker 10 00:48:04 Okay. And Speaker 12 00:48:09 I think another question was about noise of these units. So I have a table here I can share with you. Basically show you the, this sound pressure level at certain distance as we know the audience is written to, you know, maximum 65 disbel and, and at the 50 feet from, from the unit we are at 60 feet and we have to the nice bridge road we have over 300 feet. Speaker 10 00:48:44 Perfect. And, and just, just for the record again, we should probably mark this as a two i I, I guess we would call it sound, sound exhibit or sound power levels. And just to dig in a little bit, a little bit on, on, on this exhibit, at at 50 feet it would be 65. If you were standing 50 feet away, it would be a 65 decibel level. That's, I'm reading that correctly. That Speaker 12 00:49:13 Is, that is correct. And as we discussed before, we have from the unit to the edge of the building over 95 feet. Speaker 10 00:49:23 And, and this, does this chart take into effect the fact that there will be screening around the Speaker 12 00:49:31 No. That this is without screening. Speaker 10 00:49:34 Perfect. Okay. So even, even, Speaker 12 00:49:38 Even better. Speaker 10 00:49:39 Yeah, without screening at the edge of the building, you're looking at a 58, if I'm reading that correctly. Speaker 12 00:49:44 That that is Speaker 10 00:49:45 Fine. Okay. Speaker 8 00:49:48 Question that reflects without screening. Speaker 12 00:49:51 Without screening, yeah. Speaker 8 00:49:52 Oh, okay. Speaker 0 00:49:54 Can I ask a quick question Mr. Butler? Sure. Do we know if these numbers are within the, the township's ordinance in terms of decibels, what's acceptable? Speaker 8 00:50:08 They are, Speaker 0 00:50:09 They are. That was you John? Yes. Speaker 8 00:50:12 Our our ordinance reflects state STA statute and that these numbers conform. Speaker 0 00:50:18 Thank you, sir. Good, Speaker 10 00:50:20 Good. Yeah, it would be, it would be 65 at the property line. Speaker 12 00:50:26 No, that is correct. Speaker 10 00:50:29 And then there was a a, there was a question, I think it may have been from Mr. Chadwick about illumination. Is there any proposed lighting that would be associated with the equipment? Speaker 12 00:50:43 We, we are anticipating only l e D lights that we serve the maintenance purpose. It's not gonna be visible from the outside. Speaker 10 00:50:53 Okay. So it would be behind the, the the screen also Speaker 12 00:50:57 That that is correct. Speaker 10 00:50:58 Okay. So not no, no light, no light beacons in the air, no blinking lights, everything would be behind the screen. Speaker 8 00:51:06 Are they on all the time or just when they have to go up there? Speaker 12 00:51:11 I'm sorry, can you repeat Speaker 8 00:51:13 Please? Are they on all the time or just when they have to go up? Speaker 12 00:51:18 I, this is something that can be managed to go on only when unit is in service. Speaker 8 00:51:29 I think that would be preferable, wouldn't it? Speaker 12 00:51:31 Okay. Speaker 13 00:51:32 That says a lot of 'em just look what opportunity. Speaker 10 00:51:35 Yeah, I, I would, the only thing I I would add Mr. Chadwick is if it needs to be on, and I don't know this for a fact, I just don't, if there needs to be on for any type of, you know, safety reasons, obviously it would agreed would have to be on. Agreed. Speaker 8 00:51:50 I mean, to me, to me the only, only people are gonna see this long distances away and the noise obviously has no impact, but the light's just up there. Who knows. Speaker 10 00:52:03 Yep. Yep. Agreed. Agreed. And Mr. And Patrick did, is there any impact on the storm water management for the building associated with the, the equipment being on the roof? Speaker 12 00:52:19 No. No. Speaker 10 00:52:20 Okay. And I, I'm just asking the question. I think it's an obvious question. There's no impact on parking or, or landscaping or tr traffic circulation on the property? Speaker 12 00:52:31 Absolutely not. Speaker 10 00:52:33 Okay. I think that that's all the questions that I have for this witness. Speaker 0 00:52:41 Okay. Any other members of the board have any questions for this witness? Any comments on this testimony? Speaker 3 00:52:49 Just quickly, Mr. Chairman? Yes, sir. Is this equipment operated 24 7 i is the lab in operation 24 7 or is it more typical business hours and then the equipment basically is, you know, running sort of congruent with the hours of operation? Speaker 12 00:53:15 I Michael, would you like to I Speaker 10 00:53:19 Would, I would, I would defer to, if Mary's still on, I would defer Mary, but my, it's my, it's my understanding that it would be running, you know, at least the air handlers would be running 24 hours a day because those are associated with the refrigeration equipment for the samples and obviously that that has to run so that the samples stay at the, the temperatures that they need to stay at. Speaker 11 00:53:44 Yeah, Mike is exactly correct. The lab doesn't operate 24 7. We operate typically with normal business hours, with some weekend work for certain very specific analytical work that has to be done very quickly. But we do need, because we're storing samples 24 7, we do need those to be operational for purposes of the, of that, the all the storage equipment. Speaker 8 00:54:14 Okay. Speaker 0 00:54:16 Thanks Henry. You can proceed. Mr. Butler. Speaker 8 00:54:20 I I have one other question. Mr. John, the architect mentioned that you pushed it down as far as you could in order to make the variance as small as possible. Did you make it so it's going to be difficult to service and if you did, I mean to me, you're, you're in the middle of the building, you're almost ahead a half a football field from everything or more than that? Well, we, four inches it might be makes sense to ask for it now? Speaker 12 00:55:04 Well, Speaker 8 00:55:04 Are you feel comfortable with the two feet clear? We Speaker 12 00:55:07 Ba based on conversation we had with our engineer and, you know, preparing this application and design for, for this equipment two feet is sufficient for them. Speaker 8 00:55:19 Okay. Speaker 0 00:55:23 Thank you John. Mr. Butler, Pauling your court. Speaker 10 00:55:26 Oh, perfect. Thank you Mr. Chairman. All right, I'm gonna move on to my next witness. James Kyle, I'm here. I saw him on before. Oh, there he is. Speaker 2 00:55:39 Mr. Kyle, could you raise your right hand? Do you swear the testimony you're about to give should be the truth? Speaker 14 00:55:43 I do. Speaker 2 00:55:45 Mr. Chairman, Mr. Kyle has appeared before this board as a professional planner on a number of prior occasions. Speaker 0 00:55:50 I agree. Please proceed, Mr. Butler. Speaker 10 00:55:52 Perfect. Thank you very much. All right, Mr. Kyle, I'm, I'm not gonna ask a lot of questions. I'm just gonna let you let you do your testimony. Can you please, you know, talk to the board about the, the, how the application meets the standards for the variance requests that we're, we're asking for? Speaker 14 00:56:11 Sure. And I think we've sufficiently described the property and, and what's there and the zoning and all that. So I'll just skip right to the good part, which is the reason we're here, the D six height variance. So this is a little bit different than a typical D one. The standard is, I'll say relaxed from a legal perspective. And really the case that we're focusing on with a D six height variance is one called Grasso V of Spring Lake Heights. And that was an appellate division case where the board, the court said that the board should use a test similar to the Coventry Square view Westwood for a D three conditional use variance. And it's not the heightened standard that we have with D one where we have to make the Medici enhanced, quality approved. Essentially the board has to be satisfied that the increase in height that we're seeking here, which is more than 10 feet or 10% above that permitted, which is 50, doesn't offend the purpose of the height restriction in the first place. Speaker 14 00:57:07 And the court in Grasso noted that's mainly adequate light air and that the increase won't have a substantial impact on adjacent properties and that it's reconcilable with the governing body's intent behind imposing that height limitation in the first place. So in terms of the positive criteria, I think there is a purpose of zoning or the municipal law promoted here. That's purpose A, to promote the general welfare. As we heard, the increase in height allows for the installation of equipment that services the lab below. And as we also heard, sample provides important services to a variety of businesses, which are in the healthcare space. So this really helps provide for advances in healthcare and that's a public welfare benefit. Granted, the variance in this case doesn't offend the purpose of the restriction, mainly because of the proposed location of the equipment as our architect testified to. Speaker 14 00:57:59 This is well in from the roof edge that's gonna really limit disability from the ground immediately surrounding the buildings. And we have significant distance from most of the property lines. And as you've seen from the aerial, a lot of the perimeter of the property is well vegetated. So even in a leaf off condition, I did go out to the property, I drove around all sides of it. I did go back into the residential neighborhood that's to our west. And also on blueberry court looking, just seeing what I could see, there's buildings that are intervening in a lot of those views. And then we also have significant vegetation there that even in a leaf off condition does provide screening. We're also gonna screen the installation so the bear equipment won't be visible. We'll have, you know, an architecturally appropriate screen that'll wrap this so the equipment won't be visible and it'll be more of an architectural feature. In terms of the negative criteria, I believe this can be granted without substantial impact to surrounding properties. As noted, the equipment's in the middle of the roof, that's gonna help reduce visibility. We have buildings that intervene and really the focus of my assessment of this was to look at the residential properties to the west. So I just wanna pull up really quickly. Speaker 14 00:59:18 So this was the exhibit that our architect used. So you can see we have about 453 feet to the building edge here from the west. This property that's to the southwest that did go on the d e P geo web. Most of this is wetlands. So this forested area should remain intact. There's also a tributary to Ambrose Brook that runs off of this property along the boundary in, I'll call it the northwest corner. So a lot of these trees are here because there's a stream corridor there. And those trees, along with those that are located immediately west of this existing building, there's some large evergreens that are immediately to the west of this building, which is just to the west of building three. So that's gonna do a pretty good job of hiding this in conjunction with the screening that, that we're also proposing. Speaker 14 01:00:14 So for those houses to the west, my assessment was that visibility will be pretty limited. And then the screening, as I said, will, will look more like an architectural treatment than, you know, than anything else. And it will be consistent with the building. So based on the limited visibility that we have of this facility, the distances overall, I don't think there'll be any substantial impact to adjacent properties. And really that's the easiest way to reconcile the grant of this relief. And the governing body's intent behind the 50 foot standard substantial screening, substantial distance from properties and, and the use of screening panels is really gonna address that, that intent. So I don't think there's any substantial impairment to the intent of the standard as well. Mr. Chairman, that's all I had. I'm happy to answer any questions the board may have. Speaker 0 01:01:06 Any members of the board have any questions for the plaintiff? Speaker 10 01:01:09 No. None. Speaker 0 01:01:13 Okay. Mr. Dacey, I have a question. Sure, please, Steve. Yeah, since this is gonna, we've had many fire calls over 39th bridge, obviously nothing on the roof. There's nothing, nothing up there. Do we know if there's any water, any kind of fire suppression hyping up there is, we're not going to hit this with the, with the ladder it's, the ladder's not gonna be long enough, so we'd have to pull hoses up the stairwells to hit it. But we need to know whether we have a fire suppression piping out there. Speaker 10 01:01:48 I don't, I don't know if there is. Jim, can you go back to your, the exhibit that you just had up? I don't know if you can scroll down. I, I think that Could you just zoom in a little bit? Oh, Speaker 14 01:02:10 On this Mike? Speaker 10 01:02:12 No, I was looking at the, the, the one, the one with the, the actual picture. The, the satellite overview. Oh, from, from the top. Yep. There you go. I don't, I don't think, if I remember correctly, I don't, and I don't know the answer a hundred percent to the, to the question. And we can, we can figure that out if, if that, if that is a, if that's a question, I don't believe that there is any fire suppression equipment up on the roof, but I would defer to Patrick if, if he was aware of, of anything. Speaker 12 01:02:49 No, I I don't believe that there's any kind of suppression system up there. This can be addressed in a further design as we proceed to with a construction limitation. And we can ask with that question. Speaker 10 01:03:04 Thank you. Speaker 0 01:03:05 Thank you Steve. Any other members of the board have any questions? Mr. Butler? You can close it up if you'd like. Speaker 10 01:03:15 Sure. I, I don't, I have no further witnesses tonight. You know, I don't know. Do you open to the public or do you Speaker 0 01:03:21 Yeah, we do, but I'd let you have your final words before we do that. Speaker 10 01:03:25 Okay. So I, I would hope that the board would look favorably on our application as was explained by Mr. Kyle and my other witnesses, basically. And Mr. Mr Chadwick, you know, this, this equipment that's going on the roof is really gonna be very difficult to see from any vantage point. And it's very, very far away from any type of, any type of border. I think Mr. Chadwick said it's almost half a football field away from, from any of the, from one of the borders. So it's gonna be very difficult to see. And the equipment is needed for the use and the reuse of the building as, as office space. And as you heard Mr. Kyle say, it does meets all the standards for granting the D six variance. So I would, I would ask for the board to, to grant the variance request. Speaker 0 01:04:17 Thank you again, no other members have any questions on this. I'm gonna open it to the public. Anyone in the public have any questions or comments at this time about this application? Speaker 10 01:04:31 No one Speaker 0 01:04:32 Chairman. Okay. Hearing none, I'm gonna close the public portion. I believe that the applicant has met the two areas of criteria that I was concerned about. The, the vis, the visibility. I believe you've satisfied with the amount of distance that I think the, the site is from residence and whatnot. My main concern was the sound and with Mr. Chadwick jumping in and the testimony provided by Mr. Petrick about the, the decimal levels being beyond adequate. I'd make a motion to approve this application. Mr. Speaker 3 01:05:08 Mr. Dacey, Mr. K, just before you go ahead and do that, I just wanna, there was a couple things in my report Speaker 0 01:05:13 That really, oh, I'm sorry. Speaker 3 01:05:14 We, we touched on 'em, but I just wanna make sure that the applicant's clear what I think we would be requiring. And that is that, you know, we'd like to see just, you know, with the submittal for the building permit, you know, some catalog cut and a little bit more detail on the, on this equipment screening. So we could just confirm that the color is acceptable and that the type of screening, if you don't stay with the, the type that you have proposed on the architectural plans changes that we're, we're okay with that. The other condition would be is that again, you previously had another application come before this board for a nitrogen tank Not too long ago. There were some conditions in imposed on that application and those conditions, which I'm pretty sure and I understand are almost have been all resolved. They would be piggybacked on this application as well. So it's wouldn't be able to permit this application until those conditions are also met. So they would sort of, I think have to be piggybacked on for this application so that we can get those resolved in a resolution compliance prior to permitting. Speaker 0 01:06:19 Thank you Henry. Both of Speaker 2 01:06:20 Those are acceptable. Speaker 0 01:06:21 Okay. Thank you. Mr.? Speaker 2 01:06:22 Dacey? Speaker 0 01:06:23 Well, based on what Henry just said, I can further reiterate the point that I'd like to approve this application based on the edit conditions at Henry. Just doing it Speaker 2 01:06:35 A second. Speaker 0 01:06:35 Thank you. Please call roll. Speaker 1 01:06:39 Mr. Weisman? Yes. Mr. Tillery? Yes. Mr. Patel? Yes. Mr. Blan? Yes. Mr. Hay daca? Yes. Mr. Mitterando? Yes. And Chairman Speaker 0 01:06:51 Cahill? Yes. Speaker 2 01:06:53 Mr. Butler, we will memorialize this at our next meeting and mail a copy to you. Perfect. Thank you very much. I appreciate you. Everyone. Speaker 0 01:06:59 Have a good evening night. Speaker 2 01:07:00 Gentlemen, ladies. Thank you. Thank you. Speaker 0 01:07:03 Let's move on to item number 15, which is the adoption of resolutions from the regular meeting of November 10th, 2022. Speaker 2 01:07:09 First resolution is Anne Molossia, which you voted to approve. Mr. Weisman? Yes. Mr. Reggio Mr.. Dacey. Yes. Mr.. Dacey. Yes. Mr. Ali? Yes. Chairman. Cahill. Yes. Next is new singular on Ethel Road, which you voted to approve. Mr. Weisman? Yes. Mr. Blount? Yes. Mr. Hay Duka? Yes. Mr. Ali? Yes. Chairman. Cahill? Yes. Next is new singular on Centennial Avenue, which you voted to approve. Mr. Weisman? Yes. Mr. Blount? Yes. Mr. Dacey? Yes. Mr.. Dacey. Yes. Chairman. Cahill. Speaker 0 01:07:46 Yes. Speaker 2 01:07:47 Next is Fa, which you voted to approve. Mr. Weisman? Yes. Mr. Blount? Yes. Yes. Mr. Yes. Chairman. Cahill. Yes. Speaker 0 01:08:00 Next, Speaker 2 01:08:00 Che Fox, which you voted to approve. Mr. Weisman? Yes. Mr. Dacey? Yes. Mr.. Dacey. Yes. Mr. Ali? Yes. Chairman Kale? Speaker 0 01:08:11 Yes. Speaker 2 01:08:11 And Lance is the Francis Parker extension of time, which you Speaker 0 01:08:14 Voted, voted to grant. Mr. Weisman? Yes. Mr. Dacey? Yes. Mr. Dacey. Yes. Mr. Dacey. Yes. Chairman. Cahill. Yes. That's all that I have for this evening. Okay. Item number 16, adoption of the minutes from the regular meeting of November 10th, 2022. All in favor? Aye. Aye. Aye. Item number 17, notice of Ad German. All in favor. Aye. Once again, people, thank you for coming out and dedicating your time to the betterment of Piscataway. Township. Take care. Everybody have a Merry Christmas, right? We're not gonna see each other. Happy hour holiday everybody. Happy holiday everybody. God bless you all. I'll see you tomorrow, Santa. Yeah. On my cover. Nice. I'll see you Monday. Goodnight. You too, everyone.