Transcript for Piscataway Ems meeting on July 25 2022
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Speaker 0 00:00:04 Recording in progress. Speaker 1 00:00:05 Please join me in a pledge of allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God, invisible with Liberty justice. Thank you, please be seated. Hi, Mr. Dacey is present chief Moser Speaker 0 00:00:36 Here, Speaker 1 00:00:38 Green John Patricia Farmer, Ozzie Guzman. I see Ozzie Evans Speaker 0 00:01:01 Present Speaker 1 00:01:04 And Daniel Evan. Speaker 3 00:01:10 Dan, is that work's Speaker 0 00:01:11 Currently on call Speaker 1 00:01:12 Council member Cahn and member of Lombardi. I do see her. We do have quorum. Now last week I sent the meeting minutes via email to the advisory council is our motion on the Florida with the reading of the minutes and approved the minutes. Mr. Dacey, any objections? Speaker 2 00:01:43 I have a question on the meeting minutes. Speaker 1 00:01:44 Go ahead, Mr. Scarpa. Speaker 2 00:01:45 The only thing you have for the meeting minutes is that you read the announcement as far as the introduction, and then there's nothing else. Speaker 1 00:01:57 The in front of me here, Speaker 2 00:01:59 There's an open public and there was no comments or any of the stuff brought up from the last meeting. Speaker 1 00:02:06 Yeah, I don't believe there were any motions that were passed in the last meeting, correct me if I'm Speaker 2 00:02:11 Wrong, but there would still be discussion that would have to be noted on the minutes. Correct? Speaker 1 00:02:16 I don't think that's accurate. Let me ask chief or Mr. Baker, if he's on, Speaker 3 00:02:37 I I'm on then meeting do not need to be verbatim. They just give a sense of what happened at the meeting, Speaker 2 00:02:52 Right? Mr. Baker. But if there's still a discussion, there should at least be a notation of a discussion. There should be some, some record of the discussion, whether not verbatim, I'm not asking for a dictation, but there should be a, a highlights of, you know, much the same with any other meeting. It's it's not just the announcement and then no close, you know, it makes it seem nothing happened and there was nothing discussed. Speaker 3 00:03:18 So it it's a reasonable request. And Mr. Parent and your fellow EMS committee members can take that under advisement for and try that for the next meeting minutes. See how that works. Give a little bit more detail of what was said. Just it does not need to be verbatim. Speaker 1 00:03:40 Okay. Thank you, Mr. Baker, there's a motion on the floor to prove the minutes as they were distributed. Is there any other objections, all in favor of approving last month's meetings or last meeting? May 2nd meetings say aye. Aye. Aye. All opposed. The meeting minutes will be entered into the record. Speaker 4 00:04:05 Please note that I, I voted no as well as Ozzie and I'm not sure what Ms. Farmer said, Ms. Farmer. You're completely muted. Speaker 5 00:04:19 Sorry. I'll vote. No as well in that we can revisit these meeting minutes, revise them and then approve them at the next meeting. Speaker 4 00:04:30 Okay. I'm not sure what Ms. Green said as well. Speaker 6 00:04:35 I, I approve them for right now. We'll just do this for next meeting that it needs to be brought up for the discussions just to keep record of what's being brought up. Speaker 1 00:04:46 Okay. Thank you. The meeting minutes as emailed will be entered into the record. Is there any unfinished business? Speaker 4 00:04:58 I'm not sure the meeting minutes are blank. Speaker 6 00:05:03 Well, I have unfinished business. Speaker 6 00:05:07 So I'd like to bring out that July 12th with the Township council meeting, there was no mention of EMS council, no recommendations voted upon thus far. So it makes me feel as if the EMS council is simply happening because the mandate, but not being utilized as intended to encourage the flow of EMS assets in town are improved service delivery of also requested more than once for expectations from PD and JFK. So we can make changes as necessary. It's just hard to make adjustments without understanding what expectations are. So we keep being told baby steps, but September will be one year. North Stelton continues its effort as a taxpayer funded entity to be utilized more, to serve all residents, individuals needing emergency care within Piscataway. Saturday was a good shift. I got to see officers that I haven't seen in a while. I got to see residents that were grateful for us to be there. And that's why I volunteer. You know, that's why I'm part of the council, but if it's not being brought up, my question is, you know, why are the recommendations not being brought up in Township council meeting? I would love the opportunity to either make a presentation or speak before the council, if that's how that works. But even now we've had more than enough meetings that something should have been mentioned. At least people put a lot of time and effort into this and we all come here. So we're trying to make something of this, Speaker 3 00:06:33 This, this is Mike Baker, just a suggestion since this is new to everyone. And since we're still operating remotely, do we wanna have a, a brief discussion about how this would be best talked about or raised at a council meeting? We do have a council member on, on board, the council president. If, if you know Michelle, if you have some thoughts about, do we talk about this at the, the good of the cause or some other portion of the meeting, just as an update or as committee reports, how do you think? Or, or do we have committee committee member make a presentation? What, and if you wanna talk to your fellow council members about it first or may, that that's fine, or the chief that's fine, but it would be good to see what the thoughts are of, of the other member. The Patricia's comment. Speaker 7 00:07:30 Yes. I, I don't think at the last meeting we had decided that unless something was voted upon, we were gonna bring it up at the meeting. But if we wanna do some sort of an update, maybe we can come up with some sort of update that can be read at a, at a meeting on what was discussed and those things also. But at the last meeting, I remember under your advice that things did not have to go to the council meeting if they were not voted upon at this meeting. And that, that I, I believe I remember Tim saying that things could be handled through the AMS council, but if they want some sort of update, I don't see that to be a problem. Speaker 3 00:08:15 Okay. Thank you, Speaker 2 00:08:17 Mr. Scarpa bringing back the January meeting, there was a recommendation voted on by this committee. There was supposed to go to the town council and reference to sending the closest available resource to any em, Ms. Simon in Piscataway, I was told for the last two meetings to be patient, well, now we're eight months removed from seven months removed from that meeting. What's the procedure for those recommendations to make it to the council, because obviously that recommendation has not made it to council because the council would've addressed it. So who's for providing that information to the town council, that there was a recommendation set forth for the town council to take action on. Speaker 1 00:09:06 Sure. I can answer that once the meeting minutes are approved, I then email them to the Township clerk to provide to the council. Speaker 2 00:09:15 Okay. So I will once again ask the recommendation that was made in January, as far as sending close available resource. Is it going to be addressed in the town council meeting? Cause that was voted on by this committee. Speaker 8 00:09:27 It was my understanding that if the town council members didn't feel the necessity to bring it up at a council meeting, then that wasn't going to be addressed at their meeting. These are recommendations to the council and if they don't feel the necessity to bring it up at a town council meeting, then that's their prerogative Speaker 3 00:09:52 Said, they're getting those recommendations in the, Speaker 9 00:10:02 I, I don't think the council members wanna be involved with the day to day operation of running ambulances. We've got the police department historically as is help manage it. We got this committee and I thought that the recommendations when we discussed this in January, I could be wrong. But I thought we said, if the, if it can be carried out administratively, then it's carried out administratively. There's nothing. There's, there's nothing in the council's organization that has them acting as the action agent for any department in town, they approve ordinances. They approve resolutions, but they don't take any action until D P w you know, you'd run the yard on every second Saturday or the construction of have to not really the role of the Speaker 4 00:11:03 I'm just gonna echo Ms. Green's sentiments then based on what, Mr. Based on what Tim said and based on what Tom said, and based on what Michelle said and what Mr. Baker said as well, if we're all here doing this, it feels like an act of futility. We all are contributing. We're all trying to push the ball forward, make sure things are best for this town, for the residents, for the visitors. And literally every comment that was just stated is the council doesn't feel that these things need to be brought to the council. Because if, if they did, if I understand this correctly, they would've addressed it as Mr. Baker's take Mr. Dacey just said that administratively day to day that the town council does not need to be involved. And that everyone's this Tim is, Tom is agreed to the chief of police, the BA legal counsel, and a council member, all stating that none of these recommendations are really worth anything. Speaker 9 00:12:09 And that's, that's not true. None of, of the five people you quoted said that Evan, that you just made up, Speaker 4 00:12:15 I, I don't think I made it up it's Speaker 9 00:12:17 So you made that up, Evan, you made that up. So, so again, what I said is that if we can do, if the recommendations we can do it administratively, you do it administratively. When I have a discussion with the director of public works on how we're gonna be paving certain road, I don't take it through seven members of the council's ask them to approve something that says how we're gonna be paving the road. We just work it out. That's the idea, the Township council, if you learn about the former government, you'll find out what the council was, the council, I, the charge operation, any department. Speaker 4 00:12:48 And I, I understand that, but what I'm getting at is that if that's the route that we choose to go as a, as a municipality, not that I choose, cause I'm not a member of the, the governing body and we haven't gone forward with it. Then the inaction speaks for itself. And that's where I'm echoing the screens concerns that this really just feels like an of futility at this point. It's like, we're just going through the motions. Speaker 6 00:13:14 Can we, can we discuss what's wrong with EMS and Speaker 9 00:13:17 Al let's let's I have no problem with that. Speaker 6 00:13:21 Oh, okay. So I'm gonna take this for a second. JFK is doing an awesome job. I'd like to call out that Friday. Jamie, your RN, dispatcher, as well as Mike Henderson, the S E T nurse was phenomenal. Hands down without question. Every crew that I meant, they are all great. We are a taxpayer funded entity where we're sitting in the building and not being utilized. And I think it would like behoove, JFK to have flexibility with that third unit where we're still maintaining three units in Piscataway at all times, but let JFK have flexibility in moving that unit. When we're in service, you know, where you're getting two calls, where we went from having like eight or nine calls. And we're trying to, to be part of that, to be included, you know, volunteerism like our crew are just as competent. We have the same equipment. It's not about equipment, time response we're in building so we can provide the same level of care. So why can we not be utilized? And it's not disrespect. It's just trying to move forward where we can be recognized and work alongside JFK, that we can even like speak to them because we can't even communicate at this point. So now baby steps a year later, you know, almost a year later, what can we do to move forward? Speaker 4 00:14:39 I echo that sentiment at the last meeting, I believe, or one prior, we were told that river road that I have a propensity to make this about river road and not about the town river road has been been here for 61 years. It was founded by residents of the town. This ordinance enabling ordinance was written by residents of the town, voted on by residents of the town, overwhelmingly adopted by residents of the town and even protected in court. River road is written into this river road is part of this. The residents continue to donate the residents, continue to support us in the streets on the road. They see us out. They ask us about this. We may not, we are not tax taxpayer funded as open. We agree. We understand, but the residents they have will they, they, they are who we all eventually answer to. Speaker 4 00:15:28 And you know, again, what Ms. Green said, we completely agree. We don't have a single qualm with JFK, their level of care, their ability to serve. But you know, the entire state is in the entire state. The entire country's EMS system is in collapse in free fall collapses and collapsed before COVID. This was just a straw that camel broke the camel's back. We've already serviced this year. More. We service 18 different municipalities in four different counties month over month. Our call volumes growing last month alone was 193 charted responses. The month before that was 150 before, that was 110 before, that was 98. You know, it's growing end over end. As people realize that we're here, that we're answering calls and that it really was never a question of reliability. It was just something else. At some point, we have to move beyond this. JFK deserves to have the flexibility, whether they ask for it or not, because people deserve to have that care. And if we can go somewhere else, that's fine. If they can go somewhere else, that's fine. But we're here. And we all answer to the residents. And that's all we're saying. We're not saying that anything's inherently broken beyond fixing. We're not bashing JFK. We're not bashing their performance. We're not saying they're doing anything wrong or right. That's not the question right here. We just wanna do right by the people that fund us and support us. Speaker 8 00:16:50 So what this meeting, what this meeting boils down to in its most basic form is that this isn't about improving EMS in Piscataway. It's about river road rescue squad, responding to calls and north Stelton responding to calls has nothing to do with the quality of EMS in Piscataway. And I begged to differ on your point, Evan, because EMS in Piscataway is not broken. The camel has not. The straw has not broken the camel's back. If those other 18 municipalities have done what Piscataway had done for the best of their residents to, to go out to a, a, a contractual three ambulances, 24 hours a day, then they would be in the perfect situation that we are in right now. Speaker 4 00:17:33 Again, there's a petition. There's an ordinance we're written into it on both ends. I think the residents disagree. Speaker 3 00:17:40 Let, let me address Speaker 4 00:17:40 That. We're just here. Speaker 3 00:17:42 If I can. The petition in the ordinance created a committee that was advisory and it advises the administration. It advises the Mayor on policies and it's as the Business Administrator pointed out it's this is an administrative function, your, your policies, you know, Councilwoman Lombardi can, can talk about them as the council wants to talk about them, but these are the purview of the Mayor and the administration. And, and as I think I said many times at the beginning of this process, we have a long term contract with a provider. I think everyone acknowledged they're doing well. And I think the course of this, these meetings there, we have been working with north Stelton and that we are integrating them more and more into the system, but this is advisory. And because your recommendations are not always accepted, doesn't does not mean that this is a waste of time or that we're ignoring that the administration may disagree. That that's all it is. Speaker 4 00:18:56 At least we can agree that we can disagree. And maybe we see differently as the purposes, the advisory council at the end of the day in advisements and advisement. And if we all agree on it, that's what the community wanted. And I Township doesn't have to agree with us, but we're here. Speaker 1 00:19:18 Ms. Farmer, Speaker 3 00:19:19 Go ahead. I'm glad Speaker 5 00:19:22 I'm Speaker 3 00:19:31 To hear. River road is que and other communities Speaker 1 00:19:34 Got Ms. Farmer. Speaker 5 00:19:37 So I just wanted to clarify. So we've made these recommendation. We had two that were passed by unanimous consent, both in January. And then again, there was another one in February. Those were given to the Township clerk who presented them to the council and the council chose not to hear them or discuss them, but they would like someone to perhaps come and talk about in general, what this, what this advisory board does. I just wanna clarify the process for myself, Speaker 3 00:20:07 Recommenda that the minutes. So your recommendations officially for the ordinance are to the Mayor and the administration, but the Township council does get a copy of your minutes. So they've read them and apparently have decided there's nothing that they, they wanted to discuss further. And I think it's pretty obvious that the administration has chosen to take those recommendations, but not to act on them. Cuz they obviously, I, I don't wanna speak for the chief for, for Tim, but they disagree with them. What I think Councilwoman Lombardi was saying is that she doesn't have a problem giving an update at some point in the meeting as to things we're discussing that again, don't wanna put words in the Councilwoman mouth, but that's what, Speaker 1 00:21:07 I don't see any hands, any new business, go Evan Speaker 4 00:21:14 Again, you know, Mr. Baker, you know, we don't wanna be painful here. So I do have some questions that I was given. They're pretty much. Yes, no. I wanna run through them so we can all just get on with with our day. So forgive me. It's really quick, Mr. ISTA, I guess you're here on behalf of JFK, sir. Speaker 8 00:21:35 Correct? Speaker 1 00:21:36 I have a question for you. Is this an open public comment or is this a new business? Speaker 4 00:21:43 I can ask a question and you can determine how you'd like to classify it. If you'd like me to wait. I, I guess I can wait. I didn't know. I was commenting as a member of the public. Speaker 1 00:21:53 Well, is this a question on your behalf or is it a question you received on someone else's behalf? Speaker 4 00:21:57 No question on behalf of river road, I promise you like I probably need like three, Speaker 8 00:22:12 I don't wanna ask JFK questions that they're pressured into answering at this meeting when they are invited here as guests. I would, what? Yeah, they're not part of the advisory council. I, I would suggest that you forward those questions and Speaker 4 00:22:32 I can ask you if you'd like I'm, I'm sorry. I Mr. Dacey that I didn't mean to, to pressure you in any way, shape or form, sir. Speaker 8 00:22:38 You, as long as the, as long as the coordinator is okay with it, you can, you can ask the questions under, I guess under this, Mr. Baker can comment on out, whether it's Speaker 4 00:22:51 They're really simple. I'm not trying to entrap anyone. So I, I, there's just simple questions, Speaker 3 00:22:57 Evan, go ahead with questions. Speaker 4 00:23:01 Okay. Are BLS ambulances, JFK once posted at the, the approved points by the Township? And if so, what are these locations Speaker 8 00:23:15 Know that JFK is at those posted locations at, at all times, but they're definitely in flux throughout the town. There was never a hard and fast rule that they had to be at those locations at all times. Speaker 4 00:23:29 Okay. How many times a month? Because I believe we had spoken about this previously, how many times a month do one of the three BLS units is provide mutual aid service outside of the Township. Speaker 8 00:23:41 I don't know. Speaker 4 00:23:42 We don't know. Okay. And that these are, that, that was all I was gonna ask. Mr. Zeta for the, for the Township does the division of E sorry is the division of EMS formed under the police department, Speaker 3 00:23:59 Tim public. And the Mayor has delegated the chief to be his chief administrative officer. Speaker 4 00:24:08 Okay. Thank you, Mr. Baker. I appreciate it. This question was asked about how the recommendations were sent to the Township. I think we beat that one up. We spoke about the minutes so I can skip most of this. We were wondering what the status of in-person meetings are. Mr. Now, I can't remember your name, EMS coordinator. My apologies, Mr. Or detective parent. My apologies. Any means you forget your name, sir. Detective parent read that whole portion out in the beginning, stated that the health emergency dictates that we do this. The health emergency has since seized. And we were just wondering from the Township, at what point we're gonna, you know, start resuming in person meetings so that we can plan to attend them. Since this is during the day Speaker 8 00:24:58 We, we will follow, we will follow the lead of the Mayor and what his decisions are as to when meetings are back in. Speaker 4 00:25:07 Got it. So it's up to the, the Mayor Mayor. And then there was one, one portion. I believe Mr. Dacey and, and PO possibly Mr. Baker earlier a lot has gone on in the last year. My apologies. If I, I get the people wrong, we were told that we need to clean up our act before the Township would consider even working with us. I know at the last meeting, Mr. Moser stated the Township does not currently wish to work with us. We understand this. We had asked for a list of concerns, the same as Ms. Green has spoken about, you know, what's needed just in general from EMS in the Township we have yet to receive a list of concerns. Is anyone planning to forward such a list? Speaker 8 00:25:47 How does this go towards improving EMS in Piscataway? Speaker 4 00:25:50 Because again, we're part of this community. This Speaker 8 00:25:52 Is a rehash of things. So I'm not, I'm not yelling Speaker 4 00:25:55 Five times. I'm not yelling at you. Speaker 8 00:25:58 I'm not yelling, but we've hashed this out five times. And these are the same things that continually Speaker 4 00:26:03 Come up. Correct? You're absolutely correct. So, and Speaker 8 00:26:05 We will not address them here. So you're Speaker 4 00:26:08 What point, when are we gonna get the list of concerns? That's all, you're Speaker 8 00:26:11 Not, you're Speaker 4 00:26:12 Not. So you're not gonna give us a list of concerns. Speaker 8 00:26:14 No, you are not an EMS entity in Piscataway. Speaker 4 00:26:18 Okay. Period. Speaker 1 00:26:19 And, and we're getting completely off topic for new business. Speaker 8 00:26:23 Exactly my point. Speaker 4 00:26:24 Okay. And that, that was actually it pretty much. Speaker 1 00:26:28 I thank you, Evan. Is there any other new Speaker 4 00:26:29 Business? Thank you, sir. Speaker 1 00:26:33 I don't see any hands. I have one announcement. The next Ms. Advisory meeting dates, October 31st at three 30 in the afternoon. I'll send over the minutes for this meeting as well as invitation to that next meeting within the next month or so. Okay, go ahead, Mr. Scarpa Speaker 2 00:26:52 As a person with a seven year old, I don't think I'm gonna be able to part with a Halloween with my son for a meeting. Can we move that meeting back a week? I can't make a motion. So if anybody wants to help me out, that'd be fantastic. Speaker 4 00:27:13 I would love to make a motion to move that meeting back a week. Speaker 5 00:27:17 I'll second Speaker 1 00:27:20 By Mr. Baker. We're out of new business, but is this appropriate? We can have the advisory council vote on a new date. Speaker 3 00:27:26 A a absolutely. And, and let's see if there's usually these things are done by consensus without having to take a, a vote. So you might just wanna see if anybody has the problem with moving the date. Speaker 4 00:27:40 Mr. Scarpa would you like a later meeting? I know that's been an issue as well. Speaker 2 00:27:44 I just want it not on Halloween. I'd like to stay at a divorce court. Speaker 9 00:27:48 We wanna do the 24th is nobody. You said you're pushing it back. That could mean forward or backwards. So we're going back. Speaker 8 00:27:57 We have to go. We have to go backwards. I have many conflicts. You move Speaker 2 00:28:01 Forward. I was thinking like that was that November seven, somewhere in that range. Speaker 8 00:28:05 Yeah. I, I can't do November 7th. We have to Speaker 1 00:28:08 Go back. Speaker 2 00:28:09 Oh, Speaker 1 00:28:10 October, Speaker 2 00:28:11 Monday. Speaker 9 00:28:13 Yeah. It's Monday the 20. Speaker 8 00:28:17 Okay. That's good. Speaker 3 00:28:20 Okay. Now you can make the motion for the 24th. Since there seems to be consensus Evan, where you making that motion. Speaker 4 00:28:27 Sure. Then my motion to move. Our next meeting to I believe was the 24th of October Speaker 5 00:28:36 A second. Speaker 1 00:28:38 Who was that? Seconding? Cal green. Speaker 5 00:28:40 Patricia Farmer. Speaker 1 00:28:41 Okay. Thank you, Ms. Farmer there a motion to move the next EMS advisory meeting to Monday, October 24th. The time would be normal time at 3:30 PM. And there's been a second without objection. So moved. Okay. I will update the zoom meeting and send out a new invitation. Any announcements. This is now the time for public comment. I'm gonna mute everyone. Speaker 4 00:29:14 Oh, I'm sorry. My apologies. You have announcement. I don't know if this falls under this specifically. Forgive me if I'm wrong. Go ahead. We will be hosting future food drops for the community. We just like anyone that's tuning into follow our social media for those in need, with everything changing. Please follow us. We're more glad to help beat some hunger now. Speaker 1 00:29:37 Okay. Thank you, Evan. This is now the time for public comment. If member of the public wishes to speak, please raise your hands. This can be Dawn either through the zoom app or by pressing star nine on your phone. I will unmute members of the public individually. If they have their hand raised, when it is your turn to speak, you will get a prompt or request to unmute. Please click on the prompt or press star six on your phone to unmute yourself at that time. Please state your name and address and know that you will have three minutes in which to make your comment. The EMS advisory committee or administration will respond if necessary after you have completed any comments or questions, we have one hand. Go ahead. Speaker 12 00:30:25 Yes. Good afternoon. Members of the commission. My name is Charlie Kratovil. I'm a resident of new Brunswick and the editor of new Brunswick. Today. I had some questions for the commission and some concerns to share first and foremost, about a former dispatcher for Piscataway Ronald Jones. I want to make it clear that he's no longer a dispatcher because of a crime. He committed in connection with his position. He was incarcerated and is now released. And I wanna read into the record excerpt from a January 19th letter from chief Moser, I regret any lack of oversight that allowed Mr. Jones to utilize his Piscataway police sign into the website. After the termination of his employment, it is a universally accessible website that the police department uses. Police dispatchers have access to many sources of information. And as a full-time dispatcher, Mr. Jones properly had that access. Although not sworn personnel, he was obligated to follow the same rules and regulations. Speaker 12 00:31:32 His ever in judgment was a criminal act. And my department took swift action to charge him with a crime and quote. And I do wanna also read another sentence into the record. This is to post the victim of, of the crime quote. I wanna assure you that steps have been taken to prevent this type of breach from occurring again. And I have reached out with questions, but have not gotten the answers I'd like to hear from chief moer. If he can tell us whether dispatcher Jones resigned or was fired. And he mentioned that steps were taken to prevent this type of breach from occurring again, can he tell the public what steps actually have been taken to prevent those kinds of breaches? Speaker 9 00:32:26 I try, you know, this is an EMS advisory board meeting, EMS advisory board meeting. We do not discuss personnel. The board itself does not do anything with personnel. So this is an inappropriate for you to bring up at this meeting. Speaker 12 00:32:44 I'll defer to the chair on what's appropriate or inappropriate to bring up. I, Speaker 9 00:32:48 We have Speaker 12 00:32:50 Dispatchers. Speaker 9 00:32:51 We have our lawyer with you, Charlie. I'll Speaker 12 00:32:54 Defer to the chair. I'll defer to the chair and think that the dispatcher, the dispatchers who handled the calls for EMS assistance is a very relevant topic to bring up at this commission. Speaker 3 00:33:08 Charlie, this is Mike. You've been asking this question for six months. You're gonna get the same answer. We're not comment on a personnel matter, but I think you very artfully pointed out the fact that the police department pressed charges against this individual as a result, he was convicted and spent time in jail. That's the comment. You've that's the only comment. You'll what's your next question? Speaker 1 00:33:34 The three is expired. Speaker 13 00:33:43 Yes, I can hear me. Speaker 1 00:33:46 Yes, go ahead. Yep, go ahead. Okay, Speaker 13 00:33:48 Perfect. So Matt Phillips Canterbury court Piscataway just a couple questions. The first one is I know in the beginning, during the first meeting, detective parent stated that, you know, he was an EMT and that's obviously one of the requirements to hold the position on the board. After there was a over request that was posted@overmachine.com to Piscataway Township requesting, you know, copies of the certifications of medical certifications that detective parent holds. They stated they, that they no record of any EMT, CPR, first date, et cetera. I'm just trying to find out because it is public record. What detective parent's EMT number is for the state of New Jersey to determine that he is EMT in good standing. The other question that I have, I guess this would be for the Township Administrator or for the attorney is at what point in time does chief Moser's yelling and berating of people on the committee get shut down. Speaker 13 00:35:05 I, I feel like this is an unprofessional tone for somebody in a position that he holds. And it, it really sets a, a bad, a bad image for the police department. The last thing is to clarify a misnomer that the chief mentioned about EMS and not having issues with staffing that is completely incorrect as an EMT in the field for over two decades, I can assure you that even the largest EMS providers hospital based or not across the country are experiencing extreme issues with staffing of emergency ambulances. Whether it be JFK, Robert Wood, Atlantic care, you name it, everybody's having an issue. And if somebody's saying that they're not having an issue, I can assure you gentlemen and ladies that that is false. Everybody is having an issue. I know this firsthand and I can assure you that the information that the chief provided is in fact inaccurate while I understand he served the fire service. And I appreciate his years of service. He has no clue what EMS, what what's affecting EMS these days, which is the reason why there's this advisory council. If I could get the answers to my first two questions answered. I'd appreciate that. Thanks. Speaker 1 00:36:35 Okay. There any other public comments, all don't see any answers or motion to adjourn the meeting. So move Mr. Dacey, any objections? So move the motion is passed. The meeting is adjourned at 14, 10 hours. Thank you everyone. All. Thank you, everybody. See you.