Transcript for Piscataway Zoning meeting on November 9 2023

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Speaker 0     00:00:00    I'll start the zoning board meeting then. Okay.  
Speaker 1     00:00:02    She, she can't keep talking.  
Speaker 0     00:00:06    I'm gonna start it now. Zoning Board of adjustment meeting will please come to order. Adequate notice this meeting was provided in the following ways. Notice published to the Coer News notice posted on the Bolton board in the municipal building notice made available to the Township clerk notice sent to the Curer News and the star ledger. Will the clerk please call the roll?  
Speaker 1     00:00:22    Mr. Weisman  
Speaker 0     00:00:24    Here.  
Speaker 1     00:00:25    Mr. Hika. Oh, he is not here. Sorry. Mr. Mitterando. Here. Mr. Riley.  
Speaker 0     00:00:32    Here.  
Speaker 1     00:00:33    Chairman Cahill.  
Speaker 0     00:00:34    Here. Will everyone please stand for the to the flag.  
Speaker 3     00:00:42    The Flag States America Stand. One Nation under God, indivisible. Liberty. Liberty  
Speaker 0     00:00:51    And justice for all. Mr. Canis, do we have any changes to the agenda today?  
Speaker 2     00:00:58    We have many changes to the agenda today.  
Speaker 0     00:01:00    Please go slowly. Fred.  
Speaker 2     00:01:01    Matter of Hobson 2 6 0 2 Wade Street, that will be postponed to December 14th. The applicant must notice Alan Cruz Maple Avenue postponed until December 14th. The applicant must notice os hard not plead, postponed the December 14th, 2003 23. They must notice the towns as Beverly postponed until December 14th, 2023. No further notice, Ian, the party. 6 0 9 Runyon Avenue postponed until December 14th. They must notice the property owners on the property list Lnr properties 60 Normandy Drive postponed until December 14th. No further notice. Those are all the changes I have this evening.  
Speaker 0     00:01:51    Okay, Laura, I'm gonna need you to babysit me through this one 'cause I did not get a chance to mark off like two or three of these. So I'll start with the first one, which is number 5 23 dash ZB dash 90 v. Sheila Hobson.  
Speaker 2     00:02:05    That's adjourned.  
Speaker 0     00:02:08    Oh, please. I'm so sorry, sir.  
Speaker 2     00:02:10    I think, I think number eight is our first hearing. Number eight.  
Speaker 0     00:02:14    Thank you so much. I did not download the update that you, Sandy Laura saw. My apologies. Number eight, which is 23 dash zb dash 99 v. Marza Khalid by  
Speaker 2     00:02:29    Is Marza Khalid bag present?  
Speaker 4     00:02:33    Yeah. I  
Speaker 2     00:02:35    I need to swear you in. Could you raise your right hand? You swear that the testimony you're about to give should be the truth.  
Speaker 4     00:02:41    Yes.  
Speaker 2     00:02:42    Your name and address please?  
Speaker 4     00:02:45    Beck 99 Highline Avenue, Pisca Avenue, New Jersey.  
Speaker 2     00:02:48    Thank you. Mr. Beg, could you explain to the board what you'd like to do here?  
Speaker 4     00:02:52    I'm applying for variance to put a fence and my property, my property is at the corner lot. It's Highland Avenue and Deerfield Avenue. And on the side, I, I was asking where I can put defense by leaving six feet of off the street.  
Speaker 0     00:03:18    Mr. Chairman, Mr. Hinterstein has a report I think Mr. Chadwick is gonna go over. Yeah. Mr. Chadwick, could you address some issues here, sir?  
Speaker 5     00:03:25    Yes. The report was prepared by Mr. Hinterstein. It's dated November 1st and there are a comment with the regards to the fence. The front setback is required to be 35 feet and a solid six foot high fence is not permitted in that location. He and I both recommend that the applicant be given some relief and move the fence 15 feet from the property line, which is less than half the setback. If you've had a chance to look at the street, it's all open in the front yard areas. And to have a fence out at the street level would be a, a significant change to that road, road landscape. So I recommended the applicant you'd have to move the fence back in additional nine feet. You're proposing six, we're suggesting 15. And in addition, I have a note on your plan that you've agreed to move the shed to conform with these setback requirements. Is that correct?  
Speaker 0     00:04:42    Is that correct, sir?  
Speaker 4     00:04:43    Yes. I'm, I'm agreeing to move my shed, but I was requesting if I can get instead of 15 off the street, if I can get 10 feet at least  
Speaker 5     00:04:59    We're recommending less than half the requirement. I think that's a significant compromise and I don't wanna adjust that.  
Speaker 0     00:05:12    It's not a bad deal, sir. Yeah. Compared to what you, compared to what it could, it could be applied. It's actually quite a good deal, a good compromise I should say. I think if you agree to it, we can move forward and, and probably approve this application, sir.  
Speaker 4     00:05:34    Yeah, I mean maybe, probably I'll react it the same thing. Is there any room to get at least, you know, to 10 feet instead of 15,  
Speaker 5     00:05:45    You started 35 feet and you move into your variance sign, you're getting a significant variance. 10 feet does not do it. I suggest I suggest you take the proposal from the Chairman.  
Speaker 0     00:06:13    The way the board's gonna lean on this one, sir, I think it's a good deal, good compromise. And I would take it if I were you, if not, we can put it to vote now and I don't, from the, my opinion, I don't think it'd be approved.  
Speaker 4     00:06:28    Okay. So what if if I don't take this now, what do I have to do sir?  
Speaker 2     00:06:34    If you don't take the offer from the board, the board will vote on your application and your current application proposes a six foot setback instead of a 35 foot setback. The board never gives that much relief. They will give some relief, but not that much.  
Speaker 4     00:06:54    Yeah, well even I thought, and I was actually going with 35 only, but later on, on my same street, I had seen two houses which had, you know, six foot of fence on the Deerfield Avenue, the same street where I live. So by seeing that, I thought, okay, I might have to, you know, apply for variance and that's where I put an application for variance.  
Speaker 2     00:07:18    We don't know if those fences were put up with approvals or with permits, but we don't know if they're legal.  
Speaker 4     00:07:25    I see. Alright. So yeah, then I'll, I'll agree with this. I'll go ahead with 15.  
Speaker 0     00:07:35    Okay. Thank you sir. Any other board members have any questions for this application or comments? Hearing none, I'm gonna open it to the public. Anyone on the public have any comments or questions about this application? Buckley?  
Speaker 1     00:07:50    No. One Chairman.  
Speaker 0     00:07:51    Okay. Gonna close the public portion and I will make a motion to approve this application with Mr. Chadwick's and Mr. Hinterstein recommendations. I a second. Thank you. Weisman, please call the roll.  
Speaker 1     00:08:03    Mr. Weissman?  
Speaker 0     00:08:04    Yes.  
Speaker 1     00:08:05    Mr. Mitterando? Yes. Mr. Ley? Yes. Chairman. Cahill?  
Speaker 0     00:08:10    Yes.  
Speaker 2     00:08:11    Your application as amended has been approved. We will memorialize it in a written document at our next meeting and we'll send that document to you. You'll need that for your permits.  
Speaker 4     00:08:19    Thank you so much.  
Speaker 0     00:08:20    Have a good night sir.  
Speaker 2     00:08:22    Thanks.  
Speaker 0     00:08:23    Okay. I'm, I'm walking through Muddy Waters here. Number nine?  
Speaker 2     00:08:26    Yes, number nine.  
Speaker 0     00:08:28    Okay. Laura, read this to me 'cause I don't have the, after the zb, I don't have it.  
Speaker 1     00:08:34    Oh yeah 'cause you don't have the updated one.  
Speaker 0     00:08:37    Updated, right? I know. I forgot to download. I apologize.  
Speaker 1     00:08:40    Oh, you know,  
Speaker 0     00:08:41    I know, I know. You hate it When the Chairman does this. It's  
Speaker 1     00:08:43    23 ZB 98 V Gire NAE  
Speaker 2     00:08:48    Is 23 ZB present. Okay, you're muted. I need to swear you in.  
Speaker 8     00:08:54    Yes, I'm here. I'm here.  
Speaker 2     00:08:55    Could you raise your right hand? Do you swear that the testimony you're about to give should be the truth?  
Speaker 8     00:09:00    Yes, I  
Speaker 2     00:09:01    Do. Your name and address please.  
Speaker 8     00:09:03    Diet NAI 23 Red Bud Road.  
Speaker 2     00:09:06    Thank you. Could you explain to the board what you'd like to do here?  
Speaker 8     00:09:09    So I have a deck that my dad put in and I am requesting to keep the deck. It's 18 by 18 in size. I am removing the railing and the roof over it. And the deck is six feet off the ground.  
Speaker 1     00:09:32    Six inches.  
Speaker 8     00:09:33    I'm sorry, six inches. I'm sorry.  
Speaker 0     00:09:37    Mr. Chadwick, we would you please?  
Speaker 5     00:09:40    Yes, both Henry and I agree this is more like a patio than a a deck because it's almost at ground level moving all the other implements. So we basically think that could, you would prove it subject to removal of the railings, the roof, the siding, and leave it as a patio in, in the place where it now exists. Other than that, there's no other Chaill recommendation.  
Speaker 0     00:10:10    Okay. Thank you  
Speaker 2     00:10:12    Mr. Chadwick, can you address paragraph two with regard to the fence?  
Speaker 8     00:10:17    So that fence is not our fence, it's the owner behind us and he already moved his fence seven feet inside. So the fence does not exist anymore there.  
Speaker 2     00:10:29    Thank you.  
Speaker 0     00:10:32    Okay. Any other members of the board of any questions for this application? Any comments? No. Gonna open it to the public. Anyone from the public have any comments or questions for this application?  
Speaker 1     00:10:46    No. One Chairman.  
Speaker 0     00:10:47    Okay. Hearing now I'm gonna close the public portion and I'd make a motion to approve this application. May have a second. Yes. Steve? I second it please. Call roll.  
Speaker 1     00:10:58    Mr. Weisman?  
Speaker 0     00:11:00    Yes.  
Speaker 1     00:11:00    Mr. Mitterando? Yes. Mr. Riley? Yes. And Chairman Cahill?  
Speaker 0     00:11:05    Yes.  
Speaker 2     00:11:06    Your application's been approved. We'll memorialize it in a written document and send that document to you.  
Speaker 8     00:11:11    Thank you. Thank you.  
Speaker 0     00:11:13    Hi, thank you. Let's move on to item number 1423 dash ZB dash 64 slash 65 VDYO dash USA Inc.  
Speaker 2     00:11:26    Do did Mr. Patel appear?  
Speaker 1     00:11:29    No.  
Speaker 2     00:11:30    Okay. We do not have a quorum for that application yet. It's a use variance. We need five members present to start the application. I recommend that Maybe we should do the resolutions.  
Speaker 0     00:11:44    Resolutions. Sounds  
Speaker 2     00:11:45    Good. And try and reach Mr. Patel again to see if he's going to appear.  
Speaker 5     00:11:48    I agree. Thank you Mr. Kinneally.  
Speaker 2     00:11:52    Okay. First resolution. Walter Hernandez and Tars Lopez, which you voted to approve. Mr. Mitterando?  
Speaker 0     00:12:00    Yes.  
Speaker 2     00:12:00    Mr. Ali? Yes. Chairman. Cahill. Yes. Next is Samad Lilia. This applicant decided to withdraw the application during the public hearing. Mr. Mitterando? Yes. Mr. Ali? Yes. Chairman. Cahill. Yes. Next is John Minno, which you voted to approve. Mr. Mitterando? Yes. Mr. Ali? Yes. Chairman. Cahill. Yes. Next is Mohammed Ri. This was a application for front setback, which you voted to approve. Mr. Mitterando? Yes. Mr. Ali? Yes. Chairman. Cahill. Yes. And last is equity land. This was from a month ago. We had some delay regarding the language in the resolution, but it's now set to go. Mr. Mitterando? Yes. Mr. Ali? Yes. Chairman. Cahill. Yes. Those are all the resolutions I have this evening. Perhaps we can wait till we hear from Ms. Buckley to see if Mr. Patel is going to be able to join us. I  
Speaker 0     00:13:01    Just spoke to him. Steve Weisman. I just spoke to Kalpesh. She's joining us now.  
Speaker 2     00:13:06    Thank you.  
Speaker 0     00:13:08    Appreciate that.  
Speaker 9     00:13:22    Now how? I don't see Gie on.  
Speaker 1     00:13:24    He's coming now.  
Speaker 9     00:13:26    No, I mean my client.  
Speaker 0     00:13:28    Yeah. Gie RA's supposed to be there.  
Speaker 1     00:13:32    Well, he he's on as an attendee. He didn't use the link. So I will That's Ramesh. What was the name? I'm sorry. There's a bunch of people on here.  
Speaker 0     00:13:43    Goomer. R-A-J-I-V.  
Speaker 1     00:13:48    Shaw?  
Speaker 9     00:13:49    Yes.  
Speaker 1     00:13:49    All right. I will make him panelists. Yeah,  
Speaker 0     00:13:52    I think now he is on.  
Speaker 1     00:13:54    Yeah, I got him. I just sent him in. Thank  
Speaker 0     00:13:56    You very Laura.  
Speaker 1     00:13:57    You're welcome. Is there anybody else? 'cause there's a whole bunch of people. Are you missing anyone else while we're waiting?  
Speaker 0     00:14:03    No. I,  
Speaker 9     00:14:05    They just may wanna attend and view, that's all.  
Speaker 0     00:14:08    Oh yeah.  
Speaker 9     00:14:09    I mean, I didn't ask them all to be here, so  
Speaker 1     00:14:13    All  
Speaker 9     00:14:15    Thank you.  
Speaker 0     00:14:16    Okay.  
Speaker 1     00:14:18    Okay. We're almost there. Thank you for your patience everyone.  
Speaker 0     00:14:22    Thank you.  
Speaker 9     00:14:23    Thank you Laura.  
Speaker 1     00:14:29    Bye.  
Speaker 0     00:16:42    Kalpesh. What's up? What happened? He's, he's LinkedIn. I'm putting you on speed at Kalpesh, but say it again. What's happening?  
Speaker 10    00:17:00    No, like let's say IIII think I'm going at the public one. That's why.  
Speaker 0     00:17:05    Laura, can you help him?  
Speaker 1     00:17:09    I don't see him at all. Is he under a different name?  
Speaker 0     00:17:15    Logged in under a different name, sir?  
Speaker 10    00:17:18    No, no. Hold I, I go to the  
Speaker 0     00:17:23    Sht  
Speaker 1     00:17:23    So you could just,  
Speaker 10    00:17:27    I go to the public notice one, I click the link.  
Speaker 1     00:17:32    Yeah, but if you click the link, are you on your phone or your computer?  
Speaker 10    00:17:35    I'm on my phone. It says an email address is Patel. I'm just printing typing again.  
Speaker 1     00:17:42    Yeah. Mr. Kinneally, I don't know. I I sent them the link. I could resend it. I don't know what else to do.  
Speaker 0     00:17:50    Maybe you should try resending it  
Speaker 7     00:17:53    Can, can you resend me one more time  
Speaker 0     00:17:54    Please? Yes, they're doing that. We're gonna do it now. Kalpesh.  
Speaker 1     00:17:57    Yeah, but I have to open the whole thing again, so gimme a second. Alright,  
Speaker 0     00:18:00    We, we got time.  
Speaker 1     00:18:02    Do we? No kidding. Well,  
Speaker 0     00:18:04    We, we finished those first two applications in 15 minutes though. That's  
Speaker 1     00:18:08    True. We'll give you that. Okay. Thank you. Webinars, zoning, board. All right. I just resent him the link.  
Speaker 0     00:18:22    Let's give him a couple of minutes to set it up. Yep.  
Speaker 1     00:18:25    And then what I'm gonna do what I, this, I sent it to him two different ways. Chairman. So one of them should  
Speaker 0     00:19:03    We  
Speaker 1     00:20:19    He is almost here he comes. Yeah. Hi  
Speaker 0     00:20:22    Kalpesh.  
Speaker 1     00:20:23    Hey. Sorry.  
Speaker 0     00:20:24    No, no, no, no. Don't worry about  
Speaker 1     00:20:27    I have to change my device, so that's fine. Okay. Import  
Speaker 0     00:20:31    These you on? Okay, let's start. Let's proceed. Mr. Stahl.  
Speaker 9     00:20:39    Oh yes, I'm sorry. Jim Stahl. S-T-A-H-L per Ms. Boris Foley HL in North bru of New Jersey. I've had the pleasure of being before you previously Laura and Jim. Laura or Jim, do we have jurisdiction? Have we had the good? Yes, I  
Speaker 2     00:20:58    Reviewed the notice. It is adequate. We have jurisdiction to proceed.  
Speaker 9     00:21:01    Thank you very much, Jim. Alright, I'm gonna, I have a reputation, which I hope to keep tonight of being efficient yet quickly, quick in order to get my application through for the convenience of the board. This is an application I must admit, I'm rather privileged to be working on. And it's a, it's a Hindu temple at the former flower shop at the s-Curve on Mettler's Lane. I'm sure all of you who've lived in Piscataway remember the curve and remember the flower shop. I, I have about five witnesses, but they will, they will move quickly. This project is a, a result of a Township and applicant partnership if you will. Not financially, but we spent a lot of time with your professionals and our professionals and modified and revised the proposal two times to reduce the size that everyone was concerned about. We think so do the professionals but they can speak for themselves, feel that it's a very good fit.  
Speaker 9     00:22:08    And when you see the elevations, I mean it is an absolutely beautiful facility that I think you all be proud to, to be a part of. Assuming we obtain the approvals. Of course. My first, I have, I'll give you my witnesses. I have Rajiv Shah who is a volunteer but principal of the international organization of this temple. I then have the preeminent engineer, Chris Sole from Menlo Engineering who will do the engineering testimony. I then have Nal Harari, an architect specializing in temples. I then have the other preeminent that I use Mr. Jay Troutman with regard to traffic. And finally coming up the backside will be Ed Coing, the professional planner who will tie it all on a nice knot. We think we comply, we think we should get this approval for the reasons that Ed will give you. We do not think we're making any impediments to traffic based upon what I'm gonna elicit from what Rajeev, there is an issue that Chris will deal with later with regard to an additional 25 spaces, which we, I think we're gonna look for a waiver from, but bank them in the event we need them in the future so we don't have to come back again.  
Speaker 9     00:23:29    But I think Chris will very adequately describe that. Rajiv, would you please raise your right hand and do you like to be affirmed or swear? Affirmed. Okay. Mr. Who?  
Speaker 2     00:23:47    I'm sorry. He, he broke up. I didn't hear his answer.  
Speaker 9     00:23:49    Affirm.  
Speaker 2     00:23:50    Okay sir, do you affirm that the testimony you're about to give shall be the truth?  
Speaker 11    00:23:55    Yes sir.  
Speaker 2     00:23:56    Your name and address please?  
Speaker 11    00:23:59    RAHA 28 31 Taylor Crest, Missouri City, Texas 7 7 4 5 9. Thank you.  
Speaker 9     00:24:03    Slow down. You have to slow down a little bit. Your first name is Rajiv. R-A-G-I-V. Your last name is Shah, is that correct? Yes,  
Speaker 11    00:24:12    That is correct.  
Speaker 9     00:24:14    Okay.  
Speaker 11    00:24:15    Yes, that is correct.  
Speaker 9     00:24:17    And you are associated with an organization called AVYO. Please tell the board what VYO stands for and please for my benefit, 'cause I'm not gonna pronounce it, spell the v ji. We're having technical  
Speaker 11    00:24:39    Difficulty. So it's youth organization, it's, can you hear me?  
Speaker 9     00:24:46    Yeah, but you do break up so just check it out.  
Speaker 11    00:24:50    Okay. I represent youth organization, also known as VYO. It's an international organization providing facilities across the globe for the betterment of the youth and the Hindu zone.  
Speaker 9     00:25:10    And you, how many do you have worldwide?  
Speaker 11    00:25:14    We have got, we are in 15 countries and currently we've got over 80 centers across the globe.  
Speaker 9     00:25:20    Alright. And you have selected on behalf of the VYO, the Piscataway location, is that correct?  
Speaker 11    00:25:26    That is correct.  
Speaker 9     00:25:27    And you believe that there is, there is a need for it in this community and immediately adjoining communities, is that correct?  
Speaker 11    00:25:36    That is correct.  
Speaker 9     00:25:38    Oh yeah. We're not reaching out for, for people in outer counties, but really the, the central Jersey Piscataway area, is that correct?  
Speaker 11    00:25:47    That is correct, yes. Jamie,  
Speaker 9     00:25:48    Now I'm gonna try and until Mr. Kinneally tells me I'm doing too much leading, I'm gonna try and help you out here. We have a structure which is going to be the temple. Is that correct?  
Speaker 11    00:26:01    That is correct, yes. And how  
Speaker 9     00:26:02    Many deities are there?  
Speaker 11    00:26:05    There is going to be seven deis in there. Each one of them are different forms of Krishna.  
Speaker 9     00:26:10    Alright. And with regard to those seven, periodically their ornaments and their clothing is changed depending on the holiday, is that correct?  
Speaker 11    00:26:21    Well Jim, it'll be changed on daily basis. The ornament and the dresses and everything that changes on daily basis depending, it's based on the practices that we follow.  
Speaker 9     00:26:32    And there's gonna be food that is prepared for these ities, is that correct?  
Speaker 11    00:26:38    That is correct, yeah. So our priest will be preparing the food that we serve on daily basis.  
Speaker 9     00:26:43    And that is from a kitchen in the temple, is that correct?  
Speaker 11    00:26:48    Yes, that is correct, yes.  
Speaker 9     00:26:50    And there will be two priests and in the, in your religion you're, they're allowed to marry the lower priests if you will. But, so you may have two, you will have two priests on site possibly with a, a wife, is that correct?  
Speaker 11    00:27:05    That is correct, yes.  
Speaker 9     00:27:07    And there are two apartments we've knocked off. Excuse the phrase, we've eliminated one. So there'll be two apartments with two bedrooms each, is that correct?  
Speaker 11    00:27:17    That is correct, yes.  
Speaker 9     00:27:20    Bathrooms but no kitchen, is that correct?  
Speaker 11    00:27:23    Yes. They'll be using the primary kitchen that they to prepare the food?  
Speaker 9     00:27:27    Correct. And the, the role of these priests is to take care of the deities on a daily basis, is that correct?  
Speaker 11    00:27:35    That is correct, yes.  
Speaker 9     00:27:36    Alright. Now the Mr. Javari will tell us about the floor plan, but in terms of this operation, you and the other devotees will come into the temple area and you go in a semi-circle viewing area to pray to the deities. Is that correct?  
Speaker 11    00:27:59    That is correct, yeah. We go and do the services from there.  
Speaker 9     00:28:03    Now with regard to that, I'm gonna get to the services and these numbers are approximate, but I'm trying to use the larger numbers so everyone understands. Now there are services on Saturday and Sunday, is that correct?  
Speaker 11    00:28:19    That is correct, yes.  
Speaker 9     00:28:20    And that can be anywhere from 30 to 50 people over a six or seven hour period, is that correct?  
Speaker 11    00:28:28    That is correct, yes.  
Speaker 9     00:28:29    You'll have approximately six services, so you could have zero one, well you'll always have the priest, but you may have one to six or seven participants each of the hours over a six or seven hours, is that correct?  
Speaker 11    00:28:44    That is correct, yes.  
Speaker 9     00:28:45    Now at the same time that we are doing the tempo prayers in the assembly in the big area, you also are gonna have a small school being operated in a social hall. Is that correct?  
Speaker 11    00:28:59    That is correct, yes.  
Speaker 9     00:29:01    And the maximum, again, and, and I'm using larger numbers than Mr. Coing may have had anywhere from 30 to 60 people will be in the educational area, but these 60 people are consistent with the other 50 that are at the service. So there could be a hundred over the course of a day, six hours. But the parents may be at service, the kids may be in a religious education area or the parents and the children could be together. So it's not as if there's a double up. Am I being accurate?  
Speaker 11    00:29:42    Yes. You have been very accurate, Jamie.  
Speaker 9     00:29:45    During the week you expect anywhere from 15 to 30, I think I said this already on a weekday basis, a Monday through Friday spread over a day, correct?  
Speaker 11    00:29:56    That is correct, yes.  
Speaker 9     00:29:57    Now you also intend to use a social hall from time to time, not for gigantic parties or anything, but for smaller social events and following services, you may have refreshments in the social area, is that correct?  
Speaker 11    00:30:13    That is correct, yes. But  
Speaker 9     00:30:15    These are the same people who have gone to the services and now move into the social room to social to talk and maybe discuss certain religious topics, am I correct?  
Speaker 11    00:30:26    That is correct, yeah.  
Speaker 9     00:30:28    And you also intend to use, to the extent it works for you community purposes, whether it's going to be vaccinations, if there's a program or yoga, you're not gonna use this for profit, but you're gonna use it for community outreach and to assist the community to the extent they, they need your help. Is that correct?  
Speaker 11    00:30:54    That is correct, yeah. And we'll be doing something for stress management and avoiding some depressions and other kind of things as well to help the community so that we can be better  
Speaker 9     00:31:03    Like meditation, et cetera. And primarily you're interested in, in capturing the youth of the community, is that correct?  
Speaker 11    00:31:11    That is correct, yes.  
Speaker 9     00:31:13    Now you have to help  
Speaker 11    00:31:14    The  
Speaker 9     00:31:15    I'm doing okay so far, right. Alright. Now we have four high holidays a year. Those are in different months because of the calendar that your organization that the church follows, is that correct?  
Speaker 11    00:31:29    That is correct, yeah. We use different calendars. So which does not align with the Western plan  
Speaker 9     00:31:33    And it's usually a quarterly four times a year, is that correct?  
Speaker 11    00:31:38    That is correct, yes.  
Speaker 9     00:31:39    Now I, the amount of devotees that come to the high holidays could be as many as two to 300 people, is that correct?  
Speaker 11    00:31:55    That is correct.  
Speaker 9     00:31:56    Now that sounds like a lot of people and it is if you're going to pack them in in an hour, but those two to 300 people will be spread over services over a six to eight hour period, is that correct?  
Speaker 11    00:32:09    That is correct, yes.  
Speaker 9     00:32:11    And, and this is a condition that, and in between each service, each 45 minute service, there'll be another 30 minute open period where you're gonna have your volunteers control traffic. So after 45 minutes, let's say one 15, the service is over, your volunteers will go out to make sure that cars safely leave and new cars safely enter. Also, if there's any traffic issue as indicated by the Piscataway Police Department, we agree to hire any necessary police department personnel for those holidays to control any traffic. Is that correct?  
Speaker 11    00:32:57    That is correct, yes.  
Speaker 9     00:32:58    Now, in your experience, you really, it it, this has worked out for you, has it not?  
Speaker 11    00:33:03    Yes, it, so currently we have got like four other locations like this in USA and all of them has been working pretty well, especially from the traffic as well as the people flow perspective.  
Speaker 9     00:33:13    Right now I'm gonna, one of the conditions we have and I have to tell the board, I'm pretty proud that it was my idea in a different town and a different town accepted this a different type of temple. It what's gonna happen is when you have the high holidays, you'll control how many people are in each service. Is that correct?  
Speaker 11    00:33:37    Yes.  
Speaker 9     00:33:38    And you and someone's gonna say, well how do you do that? And how do you do that? Is they will have to sign up on the website and they will get a timed ticket and that is when they are going to go to that service. Is that correct?  
Speaker 11    00:33:52    That is correct, yes. We're using in a special application so that people can register and we give them the timings when, which service that they need to attend.  
Speaker 9     00:34:00    And you believe that this will satisfy any, I'll call it any crunch that may occur from too many people coming. Is that correct?  
Speaker 11    00:34:09    That's true. Right? Yes.  
Speaker 9     00:34:11    Now I'm gonna give you, to the extent I forgot anything, there is a, the cooking, there is a cooking kitchen for the priests and the deities and then there is a hot table in the social hall, a warming table. Is that correct?  
Speaker 11    00:34:28    Yes. There'll be warming table because we'll be serving the food to the volunteers as well as the participants from time to time.  
Speaker 9     00:34:35    Yes. Alright, so it's not a full kitchen, it's really warming table, it's not  
Speaker 11    00:34:39    Table? No, it's just warm  
Speaker 9     00:34:40    Tables. You don't intend to cook there. If you were going to do any cooking or food handling, you understand that the organization will have to obtain the necessary food handlers licenses from either Piscataway or I believe it's really the county of Middlesex. Do you understand that?  
Speaker 11    00:34:57    Yes, I understand that,  
Speaker 9     00:34:58    Yes. Now, with regard to there is no call to worship, I'm sure the board understands the call to worship, we have no, no, we have no, forgive me, no horns, sirens, or sounds that emanate outside to that would affect the public indicating worship times. Is that correct?  
Speaker 11    00:35:20    That is correct, yes.  
Speaker 9     00:35:22    So we, we just, we don't have it the, as Mr our architect may say, we have certain, I'm gonna call them spiritual or religious additions to the building, which there's a discussion whether they are height or not, but that is part of what you have there, is that correct?  
Speaker 11    00:35:44    That is correct, yes.  
Speaker 9     00:35:45    Now one last question and then I'll ask you if you have anything else. The priests that live on site now, I don't know whether you're familiar with how some other religions work that being in the Catholic faith, you know, having a rectory nearby the church and the Jewish faith having a parsonage and the Protestant also having some type of a, a house provided to the minister. Is it essential that the two priests live on premises?  
Speaker 11    00:36:19    Yes, it is essential and it's must have requirement for us because it's just like, I'm using a simple analogy that when doctor goes for the surgery, they need to be prepared just before they go to the operations theater. Similarly, when they're serving the day, our priest needs to be, go through a special process and hence they need to be on site in the same building.  
Speaker 9     00:36:41    Right. And I wanna ask a question which, well, it's, it's a, it's a necessary question. Under no circumstances you understand, is anyone to use those two apartments except for the priest? You understand that?  
Speaker 11    00:36:57    Yes. Yes.  
Speaker 9     00:36:58    And no one is doing, under no circumstances do you lease or allow anyone other than the priest to reside in those apartments.  
Speaker 11    00:37:08    That is absolutely correct and we won't be doing it either anyway,  
Speaker 9     00:37:13    Is there anything I have omitted from my extraction of information from you?  
Speaker 11    00:37:19    No, I think you've done, everything that we discussed has been covered.  
Speaker 9     00:37:23    Only the only the board can say that, not you. Okay, Mr. Chairman, subject to questions I give Mr. Shadi, you  
Speaker 0     00:37:32    Thank you, appreciate that. Any members of the board have any questions for Mr. Shah? Mr. Stall, you can proceed with your  
Speaker 5     00:37:39    Next I have one, two questions, Jim. Oh,  
Speaker 0     00:37:42    Please. Mr. Chaill,  
Speaker 5     00:37:43    Sorry, the, the festivals four times a year. Would you notify the police department in advance so it doesn't all of a sudden is a, you know, a traffic jam then the cops have to run up there That's just don't know how, how safe it would be to have parishioners out in Met Lane directing traffic?  
Speaker 9     00:38:07    No, no. I will answer John. 'cause I know that absolutely. In fact, I'm sorry I didn't think of that first. But we will notify the police department quarterly. We'll give them the dates that we're gonna have holiday. Yeah.  
Speaker 5     00:38:20    Josiah is not surprised. That's all right.  
Speaker 9     00:38:24    They may, may have to stop a football game just for this celebration. That's a joke. I  
Speaker 5     00:38:36    Oh the, there's no call to worship, but is there any outside parade or anything that takes place outside or is everything in the building?  
Speaker 11    00:38:48    Everything inside the building. We don't do anything outside of the building. Yeah,  
Speaker 9     00:38:52    Well there, I just wanna clarify that Rajiv, there is that courtyard outside, is there time periods when people may sit out there?  
Speaker 5     00:39:01    That's about what I'm talking about.  
Speaker 11    00:39:04    Yeah, it means they, they might be coming through there as a small position, but they won't be making any sound during that time. It's just basically they're just coming and doing, you know, coming in together from there.  
Speaker 9     00:39:15    Okay.  
Speaker 5     00:39:17    Each  
Speaker 11    00:39:17    One and won't be making any louder noise noises.  
Speaker 5     00:39:22    Each one of these temples has its own character and sometimes there is outside events and sometimes there are not. You do not.  
Speaker 11    00:39:30    We do not.  
Speaker 5     00:39:33    Do you have weddings there?  
Speaker 11    00:39:36    No. We are not planning to have weddings there. No weddings,  
Speaker 5     00:39:40    Funerals in  
Speaker 11    00:39:41    The community hall. We might allow somebody to come out and do wedding, but again, it would be internal. Won't be outside.  
Speaker 5     00:39:49    Okay,  
Speaker 0     00:39:52    Thank you John. Any other members of the board have  
Speaker 5     00:39:55    Any questions? The number of parking space is gonna be done by Mr. Trout.  
Speaker 9     00:39:59    John, I'll have to leave that for Chris.  
Speaker 5     00:40:02    Okay.  
Speaker 9     00:40:02    Chris and Jay Troutman have the calcs?  
Speaker 5     00:40:04    Yes. Okay.  
Speaker 0     00:40:06    Okay, great. Okay, Mr. Stahl, call you next please.  
Speaker 9     00:40:08    Thank you very much. Chris Sole. Chris  
Speaker 12    00:40:14    I'm here.  
Speaker 9     00:40:15    Please raise your hand. Right hand.  
Speaker 2     00:40:16    Raise your hand  
Speaker 0     00:40:17    Mr. Sta That's Mr. Cane's job to do that? He'll, he'll raise his hand.  
Speaker 2     00:40:21    Do you swear that the testimony you're about to give should be the truth?  
Speaker 12    00:40:25    Do  
Speaker 9     00:40:27    Is your volume on Chris?  
Speaker 2     00:40:29    Yeah. I can't hear Mr. Sole.  
Speaker 9     00:40:33    Chris, fix your hear at all. It's better. Go ahead.  
Speaker 12    00:40:37    Can you hear me now?  
Speaker 9     00:40:39    Yes Jim. And can you hear him now?  
Speaker 2     00:40:40    Yes, I can hear him now.  
Speaker 12    00:40:42    Okay, thanks. Sorry about that. I,  
Speaker 9     00:40:45    Chris, I do, you were engaged by the applicant, your firm for site engineering, is that correct?  
Speaker 12    00:40:58    That's correct.  
Speaker 9     00:40:59    Are you please give the board the benefit of your education and licensing.  
Speaker 12    00:41:07    Yes, my name's Christopher Sole. Last name is S as in Sam, Z as in Zebra, ALAY. I currently work at Menlo Engineering Associates located at 2 61 Cleveland Avenue in Highland Park, New Jersey. I received a bachelor's degree in civil engineering from the University of Rhode Island in 2008. And I've been a licensed professional engineer in the state of New Jersey since 2013. I've testified in PIs before.  
Speaker 9     00:41:32    I asked that he be qualified Mr.  
Speaker 12    00:41:34    Mr. Sole's qualifications. We're good. Chris,  
Speaker 9     00:41:37    Please proceed. Mr. Mr. Weisman has his hand up. I don't know whether that's a mistake or I just wanted Laura to know. It's alright. Alright, Chris, you know how I like to do it. I'd like to do the following. I'd like you to present to the board A, the existing conditions, what it is today, B, what the proposal is for the development and C if the Chairman agrees, we can then respond to staff comments or do that later. Okay?  
Speaker 12    00:42:09    Sure. Sounds good. Now I have prepared two exhibits, actually three exhibits for you this evening. Is it okay if I share my screen? Yes. Yeah, please do. Can everyone see the exhibit on my screen? Yes, it's, it's up there. Okay, so first exhibit is titled 4 64 Mets Lane, existing conditions exhibit dated 11 9 20 23. This exhibit I can mark into evidence as a one. A one.  
Speaker 9     00:42:46    Thank  
Speaker 12    00:42:46    You. And this is an exhibit depicting with an aerial background depicting the site and the surrounding areas. It shows the existing conditions and it has the property boundary highlighted. And the second exhibit, which I'll mark as a two, is entitled 4 64 Mettler's Lane Overall plan Exhibit also dated 11 9 23 and this is a colorized rendering of the submitted overall plan with zoning landscaping turned on and over top of that same aerial background. And the third exhibit, which I'll introduce if we get to it, but it, it shows where the land bank parking will will be introduced. But the, to go through the site description, the property is designated is a rectangle shaped lot designated as block 97 0 1 lots, 28.01 and 28.03 as a designated on a tax map of the Skyway Township. The site contains approximately 327 linear field frontage on Metler Lane, which is a county road, also known as county Route 6 0 9. The address is 4 64 Metler Lane, which is on the south side of Mettler's Lane, approximately 300 feet from the intersection with Sutton's Lane. And overall the property is approximately 5.6 acres and is located entirely within the r dash 20 residential zone Surrounding the property, you'll see that we have single family residential pretty much on all sides of, of the property, only met early frontage and some wooded area to the north and northwest of the property under existing conditions. Lemme lemme ask  
Speaker 9     00:44:39    You question Chris, lemme ask you two questions before I forget. Nor in the northern corner, the northeastern corner, that was a house that BYO acquired in order to square off the property, isn't that correct?  
Speaker 12    00:44:55    Correct.  
Speaker 9     00:44:56    And that was because there could have been issues with regard to driveway exit, et cetera, and it made sense to acquire the property, correct? Yeah, correct. And one last question before I forget. I had indicated in my introduction working with the Township, we reduced the, the footprint of the buildings about 24%. Is that correct?  
Speaker 12    00:45:22    Yes, that's correct because  
Speaker 9     00:45:24    We, we, we wanted them, we wanted to respond to the township's concern on size. Okay, go right ahead now.  
Speaker 12    00:45:32    Okay, thank you. Okay, so the site is current, currently developed, it's occupied by two single family dwellings as well as a former retail building or Mettler's florist. And they're, they're all located along the front frontage along Met Lane, there's currently three curb cuts. There's one to the northern most dwelling and then two to the Metler florist. And the second dwelling has driveway has access off that, that parking area for the florist. The remainder of lot is mostly open space and Woods. Woods with a small stone or gravel parking area. And then there's two areas of wetlands. One at the center of the site you'll see, which is an isolated wetland with a buffer. And then there's a second wetland that runs along the southern property line. It's a, there's an existing ditch there that has a wetland buffer and 50 foot repairing buffer. So although the site is 5.6 acres, the environmentally restrictive areas reduces the site developable area to about 4.2 acres from that 5.6.  
Speaker 12    00:46:45    Now, what we are proposing for the site moving to exhibit A to the applicant, see an approval to demolish all of the existing buildings and features on site outside of that environmentally restrictive area in order to construct two new buildings and associated parking. That site will function as religious facility as previously discussed by the client. The front building is a three story 10,460 foot footprint located about the midpoint of the site. And it meets all the required setbacks for front yard, side, yard, and rear yard. The first floor of the building will contain an exhibition hall and classrooms and through the buildings a little bit more, but I just wanna give a little bit of a rundown. The second floor will be the prayer hall and the third floor will be where the living quarters are. The, the two apartments with two bedrooms each for the priests.  
Speaker 12    00:47:45    This building is where a few of our variances are focused and created. So the, the use of this site for religious purposes for worship and Sunday school type use is a conditional use and permitted the fact that there are living quarters for the priests for religious purposes creates the use variance that we're seeking tonight. The, the fact that there is, this is a worship hall also allows for a maximum of five acres for the site. And since we are at 5.6 acres variances required, but again, as I described, due to these environmental environmentally restrictive areas, you'll see we really kept disturbance out of a large swath of the southern portion of the site and reduced the developable area to 4.2 acres where again, the site permits a maximum of five acres. And one, one more variance focused on this front building is for building height, where a maximum maximum of 35 feet is permitted, 38 feet is requested.  
Speaker 12    00:48:56    And again, I'll let the architect discuss this a little bit more, but as Mr. Stall stated, we did reduce the, the overall building footprints of both buildings by about 24%. But, but the height is, is certainly required and again, partially for religious purposes. Now the second building is a two story 6,570 square foot multi-purpose building that's ancillary to the, to the place of worship or the, or the temple. It's set directly behind the front building. And the two buildings are connected by about a 5,000 square foot paver patio between the two buildings. Now the two, and again, this, this rear building meets all required setbacks as well. The two buildings total of building co total building coverage is 7% of the site where 20% is permitted. So we're well with under the permitted building coverage. And again, we worked with the Township to, you know, make sure that everyone's happy with the proposal and reduce the building square footage by quite a bit, even though, as you can see, we're well under the committed building coverage.  
Speaker 12    00:50:14    Access to the site is by way of a right in, right out driveway. We consolidated the three curb cuts along Mettler's laying down into one. So the entrance to the site leads to a front parking area. There's also 24 foot wide drive aisles around both sides of the building that lead to parking on the sides of the building and also to the rear of the building. There's a total of 168 parking spaces proposed where 240 parking spaces are required. This, of course, is a, a, a variances required for this parking. And we do have our traffic engineer who will touch on that a little bit more. But really we have a shared parking condition here. The two buildings work, you know, they're ancillary to each other. We're not gonna have one function at the front building and a whole separate function at the rear building.  
Speaker 12    00:51:05    So if you look at the parking requirements for each building, the front religious facility requires 125 spaces and the rear facility requires 115 spaces. But really they're working together. And so that, that total, I believe is, is consolidated. And due to the fact that we have multiple worship times throughout the day, we're really reducing the max, the maximum use of the site at any one given time. So we feel that there, there's more than enough parking on site, but there was a comment from our planner or from the township's planner in to introducing land bank parking in order to possibly, you know, address the parking situation should an issue arise in the future. And so I did lay out where we would propose 20, you know, about 25 to 30 additional spaces along the northeast driveway. You can see we, we kept parking out of this area even though it's, it's obvious that we could add more parking and that's due to a 50 foot parking setback from adjacent residential properties.  
Speaker 12    00:52:14    So you'll see on this additional exhibit i I created, what would, where this additional parking would be located. This is a copy of the overall plan that was submitted, but it has a modification to it to show these additional parking spaces. Now, I showed 30 spaces here, but of course we, we may have landscape islands or, or may wanna reduce the limits of the parking. So I'd say 25 to 30 spaces could be added to the, to this aisle. And at worst, I'd say the, the parking setback would be 31 1 0.5 feet from the adjacent residential property where 50 feet is required. So should the Township like us to land bank these parking spaces, we would require a parking setback variance for these additional spaces of that 31 and a half feet where 50 feet is required.  
Speaker 12    00:53:12    Now, moving on to, so the spaces are all nine by 18, which is meets Township requirements and dry vials are 25 foot wide. Also meeting Township requirements. We did make a modification based on fire official comments. The fire official wanted 25 foot interior radio, which we accommodated and wanted us to. We previously had a one-way drive VI angle parking. We widened up the dry vial to accommodate the fire officials comments and provided 90 degree parking here. So we did, we did some additional impervious coverage, which was offset by reducing the building, but feel this actually works better with, with flow throughout the site and meets all the Township requirements. We'll be providing EV parking spaces as required by the state statute. And seven handicapped spaces are provided at the north northeast corner of the front worship building to provide accessibility to these religious facilities by way of sidewalk that interconnects around around the two buildings. And we also provided sidewalk along, met the Metler lane frontage along its entirety, which again is, is going to be under county reveal.  
Speaker 0     00:54:44    Can I ask a quick question, Chris? Sure. How many EV stations are you providing?  
Speaker 12    00:54:52    I, I believe it's, it's 4% when, when you get over 150 spaces. So we'll meet the statute, but it's 4% of 168. So it's, it'll be seven EV spaces.  
Speaker 0     00:55:07    Okay, thank you. Please proceed.  
Speaker 5     00:55:12    The recommendation, they're operable when you open the facility. Is that your intent?  
Speaker 12    00:55:22    We have not discussed that. I believe we're only required make ready by the statute, but if the Township would like  
Speaker 5     00:55:34    By statute, but some would've to be opera too, I suggest that you just do put 'em in and have them work  
Speaker 9     00:55:43    Well. What is the request, John? What's the request from the board  
Speaker 0     00:55:48    To have the EV stations up, up and working for the opening of the center?  
Speaker 9     00:55:54    Well, I think that, I don't You think that's a problem, Chris?  
Speaker 12    00:55:59    No, no, not at all. It's, it's no really the, whether it's make ready or it's operational, we're we have to run the electric conduit to the space. It's really just installing.  
Speaker 0     00:56:12    I think we'd prefer that if you accommodate that, that'd be great.  
Speaker 9     00:56:17    Thank you.  
Speaker 0     00:56:18    Please proceed.  
Speaker 12    00:56:20    Thank you.  
Speaker 0     00:56:21    Thanks Chris.  
Speaker 12    00:56:24    There is a dumpster enclosure provided along the Northern Drive aisle, right about the midpoint and adjacent to the existing buildings that will be enclosed and landscaped for screening purposes. And again, due the environmental constraints in some of the, the grade change along the site, were providing a retaining wall along the southwestern portion of the parking area. And this is where one of our variance is required for the fence, the safety fence that sits at top of the retaining wall since the retaining wall is tall. Point is about nine feet and there's a four foot high fence on top of that. The fence is considered to be 13 feet high, where six feet is permitted within residential zone. And again, that's really driven by the fact that we have this environmental constraint along the, the property where we're trying to provide as many parking spaces as we can while also, you know, reducing any environmental impact. And I think that hit all of the proposed  
Speaker 9     00:57:32    Right Chris, just to the board understands  
Speaker 12    00:57:34    One more. Is a a monument sign? Yes.  
Speaker 9     00:57:38    Well, before we do the monument sign, we have obtained a, a, a a sewer easement from a neighbor. Is that correct?  
Speaker 12    00:57:47    Yes, that's correct.  
Speaker 9     00:57:49    And if Mr. Kinneally wants to see a copy, I can get it to him. But we we have access to sanitary, correct?  
Speaker 12    00:57:58    Correct. Yes. And I, I'll touch on that, about to get to the storm stormwater and utilities, but the sanitary easement you'll see runs off the rear of the property through the adjacent lot and connects into the existing sanitary source system within Ley Avenue. But just to touch on the monument sign, we're proposing a monument sign. It meets all the required setbacks. The, the setback is 25 feet and a maximum of 32 square feet. And there, there was request to, to submit a detail, I believe we, we have a, a, an exhibit or we'll submit a, a copy of what the sign will look like to the zoning board for the, for the permit. But permit, I believe we have a, a similar one used on the LA facility that we'll be providing.  
Speaker 5     00:58:48    Is that sign lit?  
Speaker 12    00:58:54    Yeah, I believe there's going to be uplighting either uplighting or, or the sign will be back lit. We, we have not, not in,  
Speaker 5     00:59:01    Not in not internal lit lighting.  
Speaker 12    00:59:05    Okay. So, so up lit. We, we can accommodate whichever the Township prefers, but up, up lit would be fine.  
Speaker 0     00:59:15    The sign's just a standard sign. It's not digital or, or moving, I should say  
Speaker 12    00:59:20    That  
Speaker 9     00:59:22    Ock, but  
Speaker 12    00:59:25    Correct. Moving on to some of the more technical items. The storm water management. Since this is a major development due to the amount of disturbance and increasing impervious coverage, we are required to address storm water management, which we are handling via conventional stormwater management system of catch basins and underground pipe as well as porous pavement. The, the new green infrastructure requirements, porous pavement is being provided, it provides water quality and the stone bed beneath the porous pavement provides quantity reductions in a an environmentally friendly manner and meets all green infrastructure requirements where we'll meet Township requirements. And we're also discharging within the wetland buffer area, which requires ADEP permit and we're filling the isolated wetlands. So not only will the Township be reviewing the stormwater management, but the DEP will be reviewing the stormwater management along with the wetlands permits. So we'll get a thorough review of the design, but I'm, I'm confident it meets all requirements of the municipality, the county solar erosion, DEP to handle somewhere in using green infrastructure and maintaining the existing drainage pattern, which is from Mettler's Lane towards the rear of the property, towards the, the ditch along the southern portion of the property.  
Speaker 12    01:00:58    And that's where our discharge point is to continue to maintain that existing drainage pattern. The sewer connection we discussed through the, via the easement off the back of the property and gas, electric water is all to be serviced from the existing infrastructure within Mettler's Lane. The applicant is proposing a substantial amount of landscaping in order to provide some screening as all as well as beautify the site. There's a heavy buffer, a double row of evergreens along the northern per portion of the site, Northern Property line and along Mettler's Lane there's a double row of evergreens along the southwest property line. And then we're utilizing the existing trees and environmental area to provide some, some screening to the south. You can see off the property line to the southwest, there's there's some existing woods that exist there today as well. Overall, we're providing 58 shade trees, 142 Evergreens, 31 flowering trees, 429 shrubs and 511 ground cover dispersed throughout the site as well as internally and along the the buildings we have a, a, a request to provide some additional foundation plantings, which we are happy to do and we can, we can do so to satisfy the council professionals.  
Speaker 12    01:02:32    And in regards to lighting, finally we're designing the site to be safe and adequate utilizing LED light fixtures. We have 13 pole mounted fixtures mounted at 18 and a half feet high with an average of 1.39 foot candles, a minimum of 0.4 foot candles in the drive aisle and parking areas and average to minimum U uniform, the ratio of 3.48 to one. And again that, that all Township requirements to provide safe and adequate lighting and we have no spillage often to the adjacent residential properties. And the only slight spill is to light the intersection of the site with Mettler's Lane, which is really a, a safety concern and is recommended really to, to provide a safe entrance for for everyone. And that really summarizes my testimony unless there's any questions.  
Speaker 0     01:03:29    Chris, in the northern back of the property, you said there, you putting in a whole bunch of evergreens and I see that, do you know what size they're gonna be planted at and what's They'll they'll grow to Any idea?  
Speaker 12    01:03:44    I can, I can take a look real quick if you bear with me. Lemme take a look at my, just  
Speaker 0     01:03:50    Wonder what the height would be at maturity to buffer it with the neighbors.  
Speaker 5     01:03:57    Mr. Gale, they're basically always spruce in the, what is it? There are no green giants in there. I forget what it is. They're all gonna go up 30, 40 feet.  
Speaker 0     01:04:09    Oh, okay. Then. Then Chris, consider my question answered.  
Speaker 5     01:04:13    Yeah. If the board approves this application, what I suggest Mr. Stall, is that there is a number of recommendations in Mr. Stein's report dated November 3rd, 2023, relevant to landscaping and a couple other improvements on the property. Have you reviewed those and can you agree  
Speaker 9     01:04:41    I was gonna get to Mr. Yeah,  
Speaker 12    01:04:42    We review those comments, objections  
Speaker 5     01:04:47    Would,  
Speaker 12    01:04:48    I'm sorry, one at a time please. I,  
Speaker 5     01:04:49    Yeah,  
Speaker 9     01:04:50    I know. I seldom disagree with Mr. Hinterstein. I was gonna ask Chris if he can just indicate that all engineering comments and staff reports can be complied with. Do we have any issues, Chris?  
Speaker 12    01:05:05    Yes. No, we, we don't have any issues. I think there was a few comments that required some additional testimony, which I believe I have touched on. Yes, you did. Unless I missed anything.  
Speaker 9     01:05:19    Thank you. The picture is yes, John, the  
Speaker 5     01:05:22    Okay. The dedication of on Mets lane, that's really a county jurisdiction, but are you willing to do that?  
Speaker 9     01:05:34    What? Well that's subject to the county.  
Speaker 5     01:05:37    I  
Speaker 9     01:05:39    If they say, so do  
Speaker 5     01:05:40    It item item 12 is county jurisdiction. And you would like that not included?  
Speaker 9     01:05:46    Chris, your call.  
Speaker 12    01:05:50    Yeah, I think an e if we were going to say yes right now, I would say an easement would be better so as not to impact, you know, coverages and, and setbacks.  
Speaker 5     01:06:04    Okay. All  
Speaker 12    01:06:05    Right. But again, I, I think the county is pretty thorough with the, with everyth review the right of way.  
Speaker 5     01:06:11    Okay. And the only last item I didn't, maybe you did say it. Do you ever lights out provision on this plan? We generally re ask when the, you know, the temple is not occupied on service hours, whatever most of the park parking lot lights would be out other than the intersection you described as driveway that you described.  
Speaker 12    01:06:36    We have no objection to that and we have all of our lights on a timer, so, okay. Whatever the requirement is, we can.  
Speaker 5     01:06:42    Alright.  
Speaker 0     01:06:44    John, what would that time be? 10:00 PM 11?  
Speaker 9     01:06:50    Well I don't have the lights. 10 would be, 10 would be fine unless during the holidays it's still being used, you know, for some late services.  
Speaker 0     01:06:57    Okay.  
Speaker 5     01:07:00    My report is dated November 6th and Chris addressed most of the items that were of an engineering nature. So we won't drag this out any longer.  
Speaker 0     01:07:12    Okay. We can move forward. Any other  
Speaker 5     01:07:13    Comments?  
Speaker 0     01:07:15    Any other, any other board members have any questions or comments from Mr. Sole? We're good. Mr. Stall, you can move forward.  
Speaker 9     01:07:24    Yes sir. Na, where are you  
Speaker 0     01:07:28    Mr. Sole? Take you. Thank you.  
Speaker 9     01:07:30    There you go. All right. Na,  
Speaker 13    01:07:32    I'm here.  
Speaker 9     01:07:33    All right. Mr. Cornelia, here he is.  
Speaker 2     01:07:36    You raise your right hand. Do you swear or affirm the testimony you're about to give be the truth?  
Speaker 9     01:07:41    I do.  
Speaker 2     01:07:42    Thank you.  
Speaker 9     01:07:43    Please state your name, spelling your last name.  
Speaker 13    01:07:45    Sure. My first name is Nehal, N-E-H-A-L. Last name is Veri, J-H-A-V-E-R-I.  
Speaker 9     01:07:55    And what are, what are you engaged as?  
Speaker 13    01:07:59    I'm an architect, I'm a licensed professional in the state of New Jersey and a couple of other states.  
Speaker 9     01:08:04    How long in New Jersey?  
Speaker 13    01:08:06    13 years.  
Speaker 9     01:08:08    And it's still valid in full force?  
Speaker 13    01:08:10    That is correct sir.  
Speaker 9     01:08:11    Have you appeared before this board before?  
Speaker 13    01:08:13    No.  
Speaker 9     01:08:14    But other boards in New Jersey,  
Speaker 13    01:08:16    Absolutely Mr.  
Speaker 9     01:08:17    His  
Speaker 0     01:08:17    Credentials. Fine. Mr. Sa, we can move forward.  
Speaker 9     01:08:20    Thank you. Alright, you Hil, now you can, you're my friend and I respect you, but don't take a lot of time on this. Okay? I know you're proud of your work, but I just, the board  
Speaker 0     01:08:31    Appreciates that ahead of time, by the way.  
Speaker 9     01:08:34    No, he's very good. But I know the hell I, I want you to describe a elevations with material, the floor plans. You don't have to go through each element because I think Rajiv did. So just, you know, I want the board to know what's going on, but we wanna respect your time. Okay. Go to it Abso  
Speaker 13    01:08:56    Absolutely. May I share my screen please? Yeah.  
Speaker 0     01:08:58    Yes, please do.  
Speaker 13    01:08:59    Thank you.  
Speaker 13    01:09:03    Okay. Yes, you can see my screen. Okay. First off, I have this sheet number Z one dated 10 20 2023 at its first floor plan, what we have is two buildings. On the right side is the first floor of the main temple building. And to the left is just the portion of the second ancillary building. You would enter from the right side here on the first level, you go to the floor, you go towards the, I mean this is normally everybody will have to do it. They go, they take off their shoes, clean up their feet or wash their hands. Come inside this lobby, go upstairs through elevator or you would take the stairs to go to the second floor. That's primarily the main function of the lobby at the four area. If there is an exhibition of educational religious purposes in this exhibition hall, they would proceed to the exhibition hall and walk around and get out to the back. On the first floor. We have four classrooms distributed along the entire back along with the, you know, the men and women or boys and girls bathrooms so that they don't have to cross the exhibition hall all the way to the other side of the front. And then you can get out from the back door, go towards the courtyard and  
Speaker 9     01:10:36    Stay. Stay for a minute, stop for a second. The, yes sir. The indication patio play area, I mean that is not for a childcare, that's just an outdoor area where some of the youngsters can be when the parents are at services. Is that correct?  
Speaker 13    01:10:50    That is correct.  
Speaker 9     01:10:51    All right, go ahead.  
Speaker 13    01:10:52    Thank, thanks for clarification. And then you could go to the ancillary building. So that's how they're connected through this patio. Open patio. I'd like to say that when you get up to the second floor through the elevator and staircase, I'm gonna go to the second sheet. That's the second floor. It's called Z two, again dated 10 22. It is a second floor. That's where we have the main worship hall. Now the worship hall has about 20 foot ceiling. I'll get to that why I mentioned that. And the primarily, you could come up the stairs, the monumental stairs on either side, they're open stairs. You can come up to the covered entry porch area and you can enter the lobby or you come through the elevators or stairs, come through the lobby into the prayer hall. 'cause you've already taken off your shoes downstairs for the most part.  
Speaker 13    01:11:50    You'd be in the prayer hall area. That's an altar is something. And all the space behind the altar is completely restricted just for the priest. Nobody else can go there. Again, this is very different than most of the other Hindu temples. We have this seven deities altogether, the five being the gods shines and the high priest area. And the other side we have the offering room. So that's how they consider the seven, you know, deities there. Behind the altar area, again, it's primarily restricted area through this staircase. From upstairs, the priest are gonna come down. They would come down here, and then the, that's where they have various rooms here, mainly for storage and kitchen area. You may wonder why we have three different kitchens. Again, this is the way everything works. That one, one part of the, one type of the food cannot really test the other type, meaning the wet food, the dry food, and the daily food.  
Speaker 13    01:12:58    Everything has to be separated. That's why we have these three different kitchens. And then you have all these different storages that we have for ornamentations and decorations and things along that line. Now the priest has to come and they will take the shower every time that they are worshiping or they are preparing things for God. So they have to take, come here, take shower, and then go inside the altered area. Only the high priest, whenever they come in, they have the access to the back again. They also have to, he will also have to take shower and go in the back. So very, very restricted area. Nobody goes there. There's two STA gases on either end, Staca two and Staca three. On the other side, it would be used by the priest, and in case of emergency, it would be used from the third level.  
Speaker 13    01:13:52    Now you can go up to the third level through elevator and stairs. When I call third level, and I mentioned 20 foot ceiling height, also, that ceiling height allows us to have some sort of a mezzanine area. But since, because technically speaking, it exceeds the building code requirement, we had to call it a third floor. Otherwise, it's merely a mezzanine because of how it's tucked in within the overall two story space. So you have all these open area. In the middle, you have a viewing area, a small viewing area, and then you have a smaller corridor on either side, what we call pilgrimage corridor. Again, they have restriction. They cannot go behind here for the most part because it's a priest area. And then a lot of these ceremonial storages that we gonna need, we had to take it from the second floor and put it up here.  
Speaker 13    01:14:53    So we have two apartments for the priest. We do not have any kitchen in there. Again, they have to cook downstairs, only use that food only. Whatever they're offering to the gods. We also have a high priest resting room. Whenever he comes here once or twice a year, whenever he decides to come here, that's where he is gonna rest. And public can have access to him from this corridor. With appointments mo, mainly as far as the second building is concerned, hopefully this is explanatory by now. I'm gonna go to the second building, ancillary building. We call it dining hall. Sorry, I'm moving too much. Dining hall, multipurpose hall. That's where again, all these social activities are gonna occur for the most part. We do have a kitchen that's a warming kitchen. The fruit is brought here, and then we are gonna warm it up and serve again.  
Speaker 13    01:15:54    We have this accessory, bathrooms, and, you know, women and men's bathroom, you can go again. This one, this hall has a monumental about 20 feet ceiling height. Similar thing that we have done here, just above the kitchen area and the bathrooms. We have partial second floor only, which has the administration office, another office, and some storage area that's, they're gonna require vessels and things along that line if they need to put it up there on the second level. I'm gonna go to the, oh, first of all, I, I guess the first building temple building is about 25,800 square feet in total for all the floors. And the second building is about 8,000 square feet. The ancillary building, I'm gonna go to the building elevations. What we have is a monolithic building, monolithic color, more or less throughout. It's gonna be more, more or less a beige, a sort of stone or stone looking stucco.  
Speaker 13    01:17:02    We still have to figure it out what kind of material that we are gonna have at the end of the day, but it's gonna be the earth tone. And most, most of the things are gonna be only one color, not multiple colors, or not very vibrant colors or anything like that. There is a lot of unionization that we had to do here. Some of these, some of these spears that you see here, they are more or less required. We have seven of them, mainly because it represents the seven, seven, the, the dots that we have inside. So it represents that, and that's why we had to have those seven, you know, spears up top, the height of the building is to, the roof is 38 feet, and all the way on the top of the sphere, the, the highest tallest sphere we have is about 46 feet.  
Speaker 13    01:17:58    You have the corridor all around with, again, the more like a traditional Indian architecture is what we try to present here. Most of the time you don't see all around, but that's what we are trying to present here, so that it, it, it does feel like very authentic, still grounded, not too tall, not too big, but that's what we feel that this represents. Under the front. Same thing happens all around. So all the other sites also similar colors, similar material except for two materials, most likely we will not have any other materials. We may have the, what they call it, fiberglass decorations. So a lot of these decorations or the roofs and all that could be made out of fiberglass that we have used on other temples in the area and outside of New Jersey as well. So we feel confident about that, how they're gonna look and how they're gonna fit in.  
Speaker 13    01:19:01    Again, it's same thing on the other side. So pretty much the building is mirrored and identical on both sides. This is the rear of the building where the first floor is tucked in, and the second floor and third floor are, or hanging the second, you know, the portion of the first floor here, this is the courtyard side. I'm gonna go to the second building. It's, it is not as eminent as the, the front building because first of all, it hides behind completely heights behind the first building. And it's, we didn't make it too elaborate as the first building because it's just an ancillary building and it supports the activities that's going on on the first building, on the temple building. These are all the other sites, similar materials all around. So no, no variations in that. Even if it's hiding behind lots of windows. Again, you know, we try to put a lot of natural lights and all that. That's what we have. Jim, is it okay if I go to the renderings  
Speaker 9     01:20:10    Real quick?  
Speaker 13    01:20:12    Yes, I know I took a long time.  
Speaker 0     01:20:14    Thank you Mr. Stahl. Again,  
Speaker 13    01:20:16    Sorry about that. So this, you can see the overview of the, you know, the, the bird's eye view of the building, how they sit on the property and how they look. Again, the colors you can see and the materials more or less, you can see what we try to achieve here.  
Speaker 9     01:20:33    Okay, looks good. Thank you.  
Speaker 13    01:20:36    Thank you, sir.  
Speaker 0     01:20:39    Any members of the board have any questions or comments?  
Speaker 5     01:20:44    One quick question, Mr. Chairman,  
Speaker 0     01:20:45    Please. John,  
Speaker 5     01:20:47    Are the sugars gonna have lights in 'em or are they gonna be dark?  
Speaker 13    01:20:52    I'm sorry. No, no, they're gonna be dark. Okay. Yeah, we won't have lights above. Those  
Speaker 5     01:20:57    Are, those are the projections above the deities?  
Speaker 13    01:21:00    That's correct.  
Speaker 0     01:21:01    Okay. Okay. Thank you Mr. Chadwick. Any other members? No. Mr. Stall, put on your next witness.  
Speaker 9     01:21:07    Okay. Where's, where's my preeminent traffic? Here. Thank you. Oh, he's got his hand up already.  
Speaker 14    01:21:15    Can you hear me?  
Speaker 9     01:21:16    Yep.  
Speaker 2     01:21:17    Could you raise your right hand? You swear the testimony you're about to give should be the truth?  
Speaker 14    01:21:21    Yes, I do. Your  
Speaker 2     01:21:22    Name and address please.  
Speaker 14    01:21:24    Jay Troutman McDonough and Ray Associates. 1 0 5 Elm Street, Westfield, New Jersey. Thank  
Speaker 2     01:21:30    You.  
Speaker 9     01:21:31    Hi, Jay. You are what? You are a traffic engineer, is that correct?  
Speaker 14    01:21:35    Yes. Licensed professional engineer specializing in traffic appeared before this board recently actually.  
Speaker 0     01:21:42    Great. Yes, your credentials are fine. You can proceed. Mr. Stelton,  
Speaker 9     01:21:46    Go ahead Mr. Jay, just, you know the drill. Give us your analysis and take care of this board.  
Speaker 14    01:21:54    Yes, go Going. Basically working from the outside in, we have a simple write-in right out access to the county road. So high control turning movements, no difficulties involving left turns or anything like that because of that right in right out, we only really have to have gaps to get right turns out. Onto that two lane section of Mettler's, we did what I'll call a worst case peak hour analysis. We took the, the Saturday traffic volumes, which is the highest day use day for this facility. And we, we assumed actually more of a church type event where everybody comes into a service and that everybody leaves a lot different than what actually happens, but it, it's a worst case traffic event. And we came up with a good grade on the level of service at level of service B in the Saturday peak hour. And again, operationally, I think this works in, in our favor from a traffic standpoint, just because of the, the flat traffic pattern of having six different services you can attend to see the gods.  
Speaker 14    01:23:02    So all the people are spread throughout the day day instead of focusing on one event. In terms of parking, I think the parking supply is generous. You could actually, with 168 spaces at three people per car, you could actually get 500 people on this site if that ever happened. Those are not the numbers that you heard earlier. That's a way higher number than what they would expect even on their largest festival day. The website scheduling for those larger, more intense days is an important condition just again, to keep the loading flat. And ha and those turnover times in between as well are very important in terms of getting that parking lot empty before the next event comes. With all of that in place, we could anticipate smooth traffic operations in terms of the parking variance. T typically at religious facilities, while the buildings may have a lot of different spaces, the spaces are never used simultaneously for big events.  
Speaker 14    01:24:10    And what I mean by that is the, the worship space may be active and then the same people are gonna go to the, the exhibition hall and the same people are gonna go to the classrooms and the same people are gonna go to the dining hall. So it's really just all the same people moving around to the different uses depending on what's on the schedule, so that you really don't need to park a site like this for, for simultaneous groups in each space, I believe that the parking variance can be justified. The amount of parking can handle the, what I think would be the largest event here. And just as a, as a safety precaution, I would endorse the banked parking space is in case the Township were to see something that they didn't like in terms of parking. They could always, they could always go to those bank spaces and require those to be constructed. And I think that's all I have.  
Speaker 9     01:25:07    Well, I just wanna clarify the, we're looking for a variance for the 25 spaces, but we would bank them in the event the Township required them. Is that what I just wanna clarify that  
Speaker 14    01:25:22    Yes, it would, it would be banked parking, meaning it's, it's, it doesn't, you don't construct the spaces, but you reserve it. If the Township were to, to require them to be constructed, they would only be constructed under that scenario. Okay.  
Speaker 0     01:25:38    Any members of the board? Mr. Chadwick, do you have any questions or comments?  
Speaker 5     01:25:45    Jim Kinneally the screen that showed the 25 spaces was not part of the submission. We should make that an exhibit.  
Speaker 2     01:25:57    Yeah, I believe Mr. Zalay said he was gonna mark it as a three, but I don't think we did. I will mark that as a three.  
Speaker 9     01:26:03    Thank you. That we Yeah. Craig, Chris had put that up.  
Speaker 2     01:26:07    Yes.  
Speaker 5     01:26:09    And any other members of the board have any questions? I agree with Jay's testimony. I think the 45 spaces probably will not be needed given the numbers that they talk about. But you never know who did the congregation it might grow  
Speaker 9     01:26:27    True. Alright. Alright, Mr. Chair. Mr. Chaill. Alright, Mr. Coing, Edward Coing.  
Speaker 2     01:26:35    Mr. Coing, are you present?  
Speaker 15    01:26:37    Yes, I am. Could  
Speaker 2     01:26:38    You raise your right hand, swear or affirm that the testimony you're about to give should be the truth?  
Speaker 15    01:26:43    Yes, I do. Thank  
Speaker 2     01:26:44    You.  
Speaker 9     01:26:45    Alright, ed, give a quick overview of your life's experience.  
Speaker 15    01:26:49    Okay, well I'm a graduate of Rutgers University in 1974. I've been licensed as a planner since 1984. I've appeared in before boards throughout the, the state of New Jersey. I have a, I appeared once in Piscataway more than a few years ago at the planning board, but I have appeared lo more locally at New Brunswick in New Brunswick and Franklin Township, I've,  
Speaker 2     01:27:17    I I believe Mr. Colling can as an expert. Thank you. Yes, I believe as well. Mr. Stall, please proceed.  
Speaker 9     01:27:23    Alright, Mr. Cole, please, you were engaged to do a professional planning testimony with regard to the required variances. Let's hear you.  
Speaker 15    01:27:33    Okay. And I'll try not to be too redundant because a lot of this has been covered by the other professionals, but I do want to point out this is an R 20 zone that, that's primarily designed for single family homes and 20,000 square foot lots. The proposed use of a house of worship temple church, whatever we wanna refer to it as, is a permitted conditional use. We will need a couple of variances from the, the conditions the proofs for AD three conditional use variance are really centered upon a, a proof that the deviations from the criteria will not diminish the property suitability for the conditional use. And that's what we're going to be discussing. We do meet most of the conditions or standards for the, for this use. However, we do exceed the maximum permitted lot area, which is five acres, as the engineer mentioned, we're 5.6 acres.  
Speaker 15    01:28:32    I think that we, the property though, we have to recon consider that the, it is impacted by the wetlands and the buffers. And so the resulting usable or functional area is more like 4.2 acres. And this is within the permitted lot area. And as such, I think that the proposed project is consistent with the intent of the zone plan and the intent of that particular reg regulation and the granting of the variance would not have any detrimental impact on that intent of the zone plan, nor would it have any substantial detriment to the general welfare and public goods. In fact, I think the additional lot area does allow for a functional lot area and still allow for the wetlands and buffer areas to be protected. So I think that, again, the conditional use and variance in this regard can be, can be granted. The other condition has to do with a building containing a hospital, church, or other place of worship Sunday school or church school shall not be used for any other use.  
Speaker 15    01:29:44    And in, in my own personal, my professional opinion, I think that the temple actually does meet, meet that criteria. I know there's some question about some of the other ancillary uses that are within the temple, but I would, I would say that these functions are really ancillary accessory and essential to the function of, of the temple. So that I think we do fall within what the definition of a, of a church is or temple in this, in this regard is a is a building or structure or groups of buildings and structures or structures that by designing construction are primarily intended for conducting organized religious services. And that's what the, the temple is. Any of those other functions, whether it be the church office meeting rooms, the, the priest residents for instance or other preparation areas are all accessory and subordinate to and customarily incidental to the church or temple use.  
Speaker 15    01:30:49    Having residents as part of a church is really rather common. Whether you call it a parsonage, a parish house directory, residential component as part of a church is very common. So I think that this is really accessory to customary and incidental. However, if you're, if the variance is, is required, I see that I, I don't believe that that would result in any substantial detriment. The, the, the, the residents, the offering, offering areas and all those other sort of functions are all within the church with, within the temple are all essential to the function of the temple. And I don't think that they really resulted any detriment to the intent of the zone plan again. And I also think that the, the inclusion of those uses would have any detrimental impact on the general welfare of public, public good. Again, they're all within the, the building.  
Speaker 15    01:31:56    They don't, they, they are not standalone uses. They're not standalone residences. So I think that the impact would be rather slight, if any at all. And in fact, this use is inherently beneficial. So I think you have to look at that from any impact on the general welfare or the public good. That same sort of discussion about the accessory versus principal uses, I think plays into the parking variance. There is a parking requirement found in the conditional use requirements and that is simply one space or for each three seats or 72 inches of seating space within the house of worship. So that would be 125 parking spaces. And we have 168 parking spaces. So there's no variance from the conditional use standard. And I think that that's written that way because there's a recognition that these are accessory functions and that as the traffic engineer pointed out, these uses don't compete, don't compete with each other.  
Speaker 15    01:33:05    They share the, the, the parking essentially so that, you know. So I don't think that there'd be any detriment by granting the variance to the department requirement at is that is found in section 24 7 0 2 0.2, which is in the general in the, in the, I think it's the site plan ordinance. It's not part of the conditional use standards. There is a provision in that portion of the ordinance that talks about the parking requirement for each use shall be computed separately and then, then added together to compute the total number of required parking spaces. And I think for, as a professional planner, that that, that requirement is really more aimed at where you have a combination of principle uses where each use is going to have its own requirements and its own parking demand. In this case, there really is only one principle use the temple.  
Speaker 15    01:34:05    And the other uses, again, are ancillary and they, they're intended to function together to compliment each other. And they don't really have a, a, an increased say, parking demand for each use. They share that demand. So I think that by granting this varies, there would be no substantial detriment to the intent of the requirement, the parking requirement. And there would be no substantial detriment to the public good or general welfare because although we don't meet the full level of 240 parking spaces, if you did it as a combined requirement, we do exceed the 125 spaces by an additional 43 parking spaces and that that certainly should be enough to accommodate any, any parking demands or, or impacts.  
Speaker 15    01:35:00    And then also, as was described, we can create a, a banked area for additional 25 parking spaces should a, a demand, you know, be created at some point in time. The last variance that I will be addressing has to do with the building height. This, this variance also is not related to conditional use standards. It's a bulk standard applicable to the R 20 zone. And as I was saying, the principal use within the R 20 zone are for single family homes. So this height requirement is really more applicable to a single family home. Clearly a church or a temple is going to be larger than a single family home. Those types of structures serve a special type of need, a special type of purpose. They're a gathering place. They have, they have a certain larger size inherent to just the, the, that type of, that type of use.  
Speaker 15    01:36:00    Still, even though this is larger, the building itself is only three feet taller than what the re permitted 35 foot height per single family home would be. And when you add the ornamentation, it does reach 46 feet. But this is not any different than the height differential that you would typically expect, say from a steeple on a church or a minet on a mosque or any other type of religious ornamentation on a any place of worship. So I, I think, I believe that this variance can be granted because the added height of the building and, and the rooftop ornamentation are really inherent to the use of the building as a house of worship.  
Speaker 15    01:36:41    I don't see, there'll be that this will result in any detriment to the intent of the R 20 zone, which is really geared to the height of a single family home. And likewise, there'd be no substantial detriment to the public or the general welfare. The building is scented in the property, it's set back a hundred over a hundred feet from either side. It's set back 200 feet from the 250 feet from the rear. So I think there would be very little impact on, on surrounding property. So there's no substantial detriment to the public good or general welfare. And given again, apparently beneficial nature of the proposed development, I think this variance can also be granted. And that can concludes my testimony.  
Speaker 0     01:37:25    Thank you. Any members of the board have any questions or comments? Mr. Chapman? Chadwick. Sorry, I'm done. Sean, I, I have a question. Sure. Are there any plans for solar panels particularly on the roof?  
Speaker 13    01:37:51    Yeah, we, we haven't planned for it yet, but there was a discussion about it to make it energy efficient as much as possible because of the building codes that we have. It does make it pretty close to energy efficient, but we can certainly consider that thing.  
Speaker 0     01:38:10    Okay, thank you.  
Speaker 9     01:38:11    Yep.  
Speaker 0     01:38:13    Any other comments or questions? Okay, Mr. Stall, I was gonna suggest that we carry this so I could produce a full board to you sometime in December.  
Speaker 9     01:38:26    Yeah, the only thing I had Mr. Kay, was can we close and I'm really gonna, Mr. Camille's gonna have it to answer. I mean I was hoping we could go to the public, close it, close the presentation and then the only thing that occurs in December would be a  
Speaker 2     01:38:46    Decision's fine. My concern, my concern with that is if the members who listen to the tapes or read the transcripts have questions of your professionals, then we're gonna have to bring your professionals back and reopen the public again.  
Speaker 9     01:39:01    You're right, I defer to Mr. Kinneally. He's correct.  
Speaker 0     01:39:06    Okay. I think MS has to  
Speaker 9     01:39:11    Meeting.  
Speaker 2     01:39:13    Yes, it is.  
Speaker 0     01:39:14    Alright.  
Speaker 9     01:39:15    So they could be available, we can work something out.  
Speaker 2     01:39:20    Yes. So are we gonna carry this to December 14th, 2023 with no further notice?  
Speaker 9     01:39:27    That would be my request.  
Speaker 2     01:39:29    Okay. Anybody in the public, the board only has five members this evening. The applicant is entitled to seven members. When a vote is taken on a use variance like this, the applicant has elected to carry this matter to December 14th with no further notice. The only notice you're receiving is my announcement here tonight with the hope that seven members are eligible to vote at the December meeting. The members who are missing tonight may ask questions at the conclusion of that any member of the public that wishes to speak for or against this application will have an opportunity to do so. And then the board would vote on the matter.  
Speaker 0     01:40:11    Thank you Mr. Kinneally.  
Speaker 9     01:40:14    VYO team. I just wanna tell, I'll speak with the VYO team. It's not my intention to have everybody at that next meeting. I'll, we're gonna work something out to be efficient. So on the 14th, hope I would, we'll see what happens on the 14th.  
Speaker 0     01:40:34    Well, Mr. So I could speak to the two other members that are missing and find out if they have any questions once they've listened to the transcripts and if they had any particular questions for your planner or for your engineer architect. I would, I'd let Mr. Canino ahead of time.  
Speaker 9     01:40:50    Mr. Ca I'm gonna ask that, but I thought it was presumptuous of me to suggest that, so I kept my big  
Speaker 0     01:40:57    Shut. No, a presumptuous lawyer. No. Fuck.  
Speaker 9     01:41:00    I know a couple, but I'm not gonna mention  
Speaker 0     01:41:02    Her name on one hand. Well anyway, have a great night and we'll see you on the 14th. All have a  
Speaker 9     01:41:07    Great Thanksgiving everyone.  
Speaker 0     01:41:09    You too. You too have great. Okay, byebye, very much. Let's move up to item number 15, the discussion of the adoption of 2020 zoning board, the calendar. I have no issues if anybody see us for a copy of it. All in favor of the calendar, say aye.  
Speaker 16    01:41:32    Aye.  
Speaker 0     01:41:33    Aye. Aye. All opposed? Okay, let's move on to item number 17. The adoption of minutes from the regular meeting of October 26th, 2023. All in favor say aye.  
Speaker 16    01:41:45    Aye.  
Speaker 0     01:41:47    All opposed, make a move to adjourn. Once again, everyone, thank you for your volunteering. Have a great Thanksgiving and we'll see you back here second week of December.  
Speaker 16    01:41:56    Thank you. Thank you. Thanksgiving.  
Speaker 1     01:41:59    Bye everybody. Everyone. Thank you for coming, everyone.  
Speaker 0     01:42:03    Yeah, same. You  
Speaker 1     01:42:04    Recording stopped.  
Speaker 16    01:42:06    Hey Laura. Sorry. You okay?  
Speaker 1     01:42:08    It's okay. No, you made it. We're good. Kalpesh things happen. I appreciate it very, very much. Thank you. Have a good week.  
Speaker 16    01:42:16    Okay, have a Thanks Gabe.  
Speaker 1     01:42:17    You too. Thanks. Bye.