Transcript for Piscataway Zoning meeting on December 14 2023

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Speaker 0     00:00:16    Chairman  
Speaker 1     00:00:16    Will do Zoning. Board of adjustment meeting will please come to order. Adequate notice of this meeting was provided in the following ways. Notice posted in the Curer News notice posted on the Bolton Board of Municipal Building Notice made available at the town Township Clerk and notice sent to the Curry News and the star ledger. Will the clerk please call the roll?  
Speaker 0     00:00:38    We got Mr. Weisman.  
Speaker 1     00:00:40    Here.  
Speaker 0     00:00:40    Mr. Tillery?  
Speaker 1     00:00:42    Here.  
Speaker 0     00:00:43    Mr. Patel?  
Speaker 1     00:00:44    Here.  
Speaker 0     00:00:45    Mr. Regio?  
Speaker 1     00:00:47    Here.  
Speaker 0     00:00:48    Mr. Blanc?  
Speaker 1     00:00:49    Here.  
Speaker 0     00:00:50    Mr. Heka?  
Speaker 1     00:00:52    Here.  
Speaker 0     00:00:52    Mr. Mitterando  
Speaker 1     00:00:54    Here.  
Speaker 0     00:00:54    And Chairman Cahill  
Speaker 1     00:00:56    Here. Well, everyone please  
Speaker 0     00:00:58    Excuse. I'm sorry, Chairman. One second. Mr. Ali, will you be joining us this evening or are you gonna, I know you have to go.  
Speaker 2     00:01:06    Yes.  
Speaker 0     00:01:07    Okay. So Mr. Ali is here.  
Speaker 1     00:01:10    Thank you. Mr. Ali. Will everyone please stand for a salute to the flag allegiance the United States of America and to the Republic for widget stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Mr. Kinley, do we have any changes to tonight's agenda? Yes, we have a number of changes to tonight's agenda. The application of NBAD one on Park Avenue is adjourned until February 9th with no further notice. The SU party application on Runyon Avenue has been withdrawn and will not be heard. 100 Lakeview is adjourned until January 25th with no further notice. And Mr. Chairman, I I must note that this has been adjourned quite a few times. Would you like me to send them a letter? Yeah, I think that we should dismiss this without prejudice. Okay. I'll tell them that if they're not ready to go on the 25th, we'll entertain a, a motion to dismiss. Yes. I appreciate that Mr. Kingley. Thank you. The last change we have is LNR properties on Normandy Drive that's adjourned until January 25th, 2024, with no further notice. Got it. Thank you very much, sir. Let's move ahead to item number 6 23 dash ZB dash 81 v. Alan Cruz. Is Mr. Cruz present?  
Speaker 2     00:02:34    Hello everyone? Yes, I'm present.  
Speaker 1     00:02:36    Sir, I need to swear you in. Could you raise your right hand? Do you swear that the testimony you're about to give should be the truth?  
Speaker 2     00:02:43    Absolutely.  
Speaker 1     00:02:43    Your name and address, please?  
Speaker 2     00:02:45    Alan Cruz. 7 81 Maple Avenue, Piscataway, New Jersey.  
Speaker 1     00:02:50    Thank you. Can you explain to the board what you'd like to do here?  
Speaker 2     00:02:53    Yes. Hello. Thank you everyone for your time. First of all, I would like to, I have a fence on the side of my house that is on Hamilton Boulevard, and it's a short fence on the back half of the property, and I wanted to bring that fence outward and then also forward on Maple Avenue, which is the front side of my property. Just to wrap around it to the left, if you were facing that, the, the house in that direction or north on the north side,  
Speaker 1     00:03:24    Did you receive, receive Mr. Stein's report of October 26th?  
Speaker 2     00:03:29    Yes. Yes, I did.  
Speaker 1     00:03:30    And can you comply with those items?  
Speaker 2     00:03:34    Yes. My one request, and on this the list was also a mention of the shed, which I just want to acknowledge that was only a 0.2 difference deviation from the required three feet. And it, according to the notice, he deemed it minimal. So I appreciate that if that's acceptable. But with the proposed side on Hamilton Avenue, I, I believe his proposed, his proposal says 15 feet from the Hamilton Boulevard side. And obviously, you know, I wanting to maximize safety and, and, and space, I, I was requesting to have it closer to our property line, possibly 10 feet or, or six feet or whatever I could possibly get.  
Speaker 1     00:04:19    And Mr. Chadwick, can you weigh in on  
Speaker 3     00:04:21    That? Lemme just, lemme just comment. The board has had requests for fences in the front yard area and has almost unit, almost always has required a minimum of 15 feet or more. And that all has to do with the maintaining a road scape as opposed to fences out under the roadway. And I support Henry's recommendation.  
Speaker 1     00:04:52    And Mr. Stein's report also notes that your current proposal places defense in the site triangle easement. That would be a safety issue,  
Speaker 3     00:05:02    Correct?  
Speaker 2     00:05:04    Yes. No, I I, and if, if I may ask is, I'm sorry.  
Speaker 1     00:05:12    No, that was, sorry, person speaking.  
Speaker 2     00:05:15    Apologies. So yeah, Neil again, and, you know, first time homeowner, so forgive me, you know, for, for not knowing and, and forgive me in advance for any additional questions, but, you know, I have seen,  
Speaker 2     00:05:26    You know, my family and I were asking, I was asking also in addition to that far out being that, you know, in, in, in, in our neighborhood or in and around our neighborhood, you know, I've seen also corner properties with the, the fence pushed out as, you know, 10, 12 feet from the curb line. So that was one part of the nature of my request. And of course, I wouldn't want anything to hinder any safety. And I don't pretend to know the details of, of the site triangle, but would it, would it make a difference if, for our front fence, the maple side, if we were to be 25 feet back from there, would that gain us any additional on the Hamilton Boulevard side? I, you know  
Speaker 3     00:06:07    No, no, they're not related.  
Speaker 2     00:06:10    Okay. Okay. Well, again, I I, I, I leave it to you, but I, you know, I, I'm requesting to have as, as much as I possibly could. Of course,  
Speaker 3     00:06:19    There's a, there's a process in getting a variance that you haven't addressed at all. I don't expect you to do that because you would add, to attend a number of zoning board meetings to understand that you have to show a specific hardship or that there's something particular to your property that, that you can't comply. And that just isn't the case. So they, they, you getting a variance, significant variance as it is. So, I mean, it, it, they could make you put the fence at the front yard setback and now it's, you know, tight up against, almost against the house. So I, I would suggest that you agree with the report and let's all move on.  
Speaker 2     00:07:07    Thank you, Kinneally. I appreciate it. And again, thank you for your patience. But yes, again, you know, I, I, you know, I I heat to their recommendations that way, you know, again, that we can all move on.  
Speaker 1     00:07:19    Okay. So if you, you're okay with that 15 feet, I'm pretty sure we could, we could approve this to be honest with you.  
Speaker 2     00:07:25    Okay.  
Speaker 1     00:07:26    Okay. Mr. Cruz, any other members of the board of any questions? Mr. Cruz, any comments about this application? Hearing none, I'm gonna open it to the public. Anyone in the public have any questions or comments about this application?  
Speaker 0     00:07:39    No. One Chairman  
Speaker 1     00:07:40    Okay. Close the public portion and I'd make a, a motion to approve this application. Thank you, Ms.  
Speaker 0     00:07:49    Mr. Weisman? Yes. Mr. Tillery?  
Speaker 2     00:07:53    Yes.  
Speaker 0     00:07:53    Yes. Mr. Patel?  
Speaker 5     00:07:55    Yes.  
Speaker 0     00:07:55    Yes. Mr. Regio? Yes. Yes. Mr. Bla?  
Speaker 3     00:08:00    Yes. Yes.  
Speaker 0     00:08:00    Mr. Heka?  
Speaker 1     00:08:02    Yes.  
Speaker 0     00:08:02    Yes. Mr. Mitterando?  
Speaker 3     00:08:04    Yes.  
Speaker 0     00:08:04    Yes. And Chairman Cahill?  
Speaker 1     00:08:06    Yes. Mr. Cruz, your application as amended has been approved. We will memorialize it at our next meeting in January. We'll send a copy of that document to you and you'll leave that for your permits.  
Speaker 2     00:08:17    Okay? Thank you very much everyone. Greatly appreciate your time and your energy. Thank you very much.  
Speaker 1     00:08:22    Good luck. Have a good night, sir. Appreciate you.  
Speaker 2     00:08:23    Thank you. Good night. Good night, everyone. Let's  
Speaker 1     00:08:25    Move on to item number 7 23 dash zb dash 93 B. Azar. Naqui is Azar Nfe. Present?  
Speaker 5     00:08:37    Present here.  
Speaker 1     00:08:39    Alright, sir.  
Speaker 5     00:08:40    I'm good. How  
Speaker 1     00:08:41    I need to swear you in. Could you raise your right hand? Do you swear the testimony you're about to give be the truth?  
Speaker 5     00:08:48    Absolute truth.  
Speaker 1     00:08:49    Thank you. Your name and address, please.  
Speaker 5     00:08:51    My name is Zarna ve and I live at 75 Wall Street, Pisca, New Jersey 0 8 8 5 4.  
Speaker 1     00:08:57    Thank you. Could you explain to the board why you're here,  
Speaker 3     00:09:00    Mr. Chairman? Maybe I can speed this along to the applicant request. I see that Chadwick the only request. The only request here is to the applicant to agree to allow for access through the easement in the back. Otherwise, there are no recommendations. Are you agree?  
Speaker 1     00:09:17    Yes. Can you agree with that, sir?  
Speaker 5     00:09:19    Yes.  
Speaker 1     00:09:20    Good. No other save a lot of time and energy. Any other members of the board of any questions for this applicant? Any comments? Hearing none? I'm gonna open to the public. Anyone in the public have any comments or questions about this application?  
Speaker 0     00:09:36    No. And Chairman  
Speaker 1     00:09:37    Okay. Close the public portion. I make a motion to approve this application. Can I get a second? I'll  
Speaker 3     00:09:42    Second it.  
Speaker 0     00:09:46    Mr. Weisman? Yes. Mr. Tillery?  
Speaker 1     00:09:50    Yes.  
Speaker 0     00:09:50    Yes. Mr. Patel?  
Speaker 3     00:09:52    Yes.  
Speaker 0     00:09:52    Yes. Mr. Regio?  
Speaker 1     00:09:54    Yes.  
Speaker 0     00:09:55    Yes. Mr. Blan?  
Speaker 3     00:09:57    Yes.  
Speaker 0     00:09:57    Mr. Heka?  
Speaker 1     00:09:58    Yes.  
Speaker 0     00:09:59    Mr. Mitterando? Yes. And Chairman Cahill?  
Speaker 1     00:10:03    Yes. Mr. Nvi, your application's been approved. We will memorialize it in a written document at our next meeting and send that document to you. You'll need that for your permit.  
Speaker 5     00:10:11    Appreciate it. Thank you so much for your time. Good  
Speaker 1     00:10:13    Luck, sir. Good luck. Have a good night.  
Speaker 5     00:10:14    Appreciate it. Thank you. Be well.  
Speaker 1     00:10:15    Item number 8 23 dash ZB dash 90 v. Sheila Hobson. Is Sheila Hobson present sir?  
Speaker 7     00:10:24    She  
Speaker 0     00:10:24    It's Shelia Hobson.  
Speaker 1     00:10:26    Alia. I apologize ma'am.  
Speaker 7     00:10:28    It's okay.  
Speaker 1     00:10:29    Thank you. I need to swear you in. Could you raise your right hand? Do you swear the testimony you're about to give should be the truth?  
Speaker 7     00:10:35    Yes, I do. Your  
Speaker 1     00:10:36    Name and address, please?  
Speaker 7     00:10:37    Shelia Hobson. 2 6 0 2 Wade Street, Piscataway, New Jersey 0 8 8 5 4.  
Speaker 1     00:10:45    Thank you. Could you explain why you're here?  
Speaker 7     00:10:48    Yes. I'm applying for a variance. My property, when I purchased my home, there was a, a shed, a pool and a fence. That was 20 years ago. I put up a new fence about three months ago and I didn't apply for a permit because the fence person told me that it was in kind and that I didn't need one. But apparently I did. So I came to DPW and I applied for a variance for all the items, items that's on my property, because I didn't know that there was never a, a permit for any of them because I bought the property in 2004.  
Speaker 1     00:11:47    Mr. Chadwick, chime in for a sec.  
Speaker 3     00:11:54    Officer. Have, did you see the report of a Mr. Henry? Interesting.  
Speaker 7     00:12:02    Are you, I'm sorry. Are you speaking to me, sir?  
Speaker 3     00:12:05    Yeah, I am.  
Speaker 7     00:12:06    Okay. What, what was the question?  
Speaker 3     00:12:08    Did you see the report from the, it's from Henry. Interesting. It says Division of Engineering and Planning and Development. Did you see that report?  
Speaker 7     00:12:19    No, I didn't.  
Speaker 0     00:12:21    I I mailed it out to you, Ms. Hobson, about a month or so ago.  
Speaker 7     00:12:24    Oh, I'm sorry. But I, I don't recall.  
Speaker 3     00:12:28    There's a number of things that he's recommending that you adjust the location of various sheds. Nothing would happen if we carried this to the meeting in, in January. Everything would stay the same. You don't have to take your fence down. You don't have to do anything. But I think you should read this report and contact Mr. Hinterstein so that you can either agree or disagree with his recommendations.  
Speaker 7     00:13:01    I, you know, I, I just remembered, I I when you said about the, the shed, I think in his report he talked about moving the fence back. I think that was what he said, but  
Speaker 3     00:13:12    Well, that's why I'm suggesting that you talk to him. I did a reconnaissance before this meeting and the fence is there.  
Speaker 7     00:13:20    Yes.  
Speaker 3     00:13:21    So to move it, I think you might wanna discuss that with Mr. Hinterstein. The other adjustments to the sheds. I think it would be better off if you spoke with him directly. Nothing will fall off this edge of the world here if you push it back to January. And I'm sure the board would let, let this go forward with no further advertising.  
Speaker 1     00:13:46    I, I absolutely agree. Ms. Hobson, I think it's in your best interest to deal with Mr. Hi, Mr. Interesting one-on-one so you can better ascertain your options.  
Speaker 7     00:13:55    Okay.  
Speaker 1     00:13:56    And I, we don't wanna move ahead if you don't agree to the stuff that we're talking about right now, we don't want to go ahead with a vote now. 'cause it wouldn't probably be in your best interest. So, Laura, can we put this on for the January, late January meeting?  
Speaker 0     00:14:09    Well, we could do January 11th.  
Speaker 1     00:14:11    Oh, okay. That's even better. Does anyone know Henry's back?  
Speaker 0     00:14:17    He's back on Tuesday.  
Speaker 1     00:14:19    Okay, good. I'll just have Ms. Hobson try and get in touch with him. If you would get in touch with Laura and she'll put you over to his office and then you can coordinate, you know, a meeting.  
Speaker 7     00:14:29    All right. Thank you. I appreciate it.  
Speaker 1     00:14:31    So, anybody here on the Hobson matter 2 6 0 2 Wade Street, that matter is going to be adjourned until January 11th, 2024 with no further notice by the applicant. The only notice you're receiving is my announcement here tonight. Okay. Thank you Ms. Hobson.  
Speaker 7     00:14:47    Okay. Thank you. I appreciate it.  
Speaker 1     00:14:48    See you next month. Item number 9 23 dash ZB dash 98 v Shiv Patel.  
Speaker 8     00:14:55    Good evening. Members of the board, board professionals. This is Tim r I'm an attorney licensed in the state of New Jersey, and I'm here representing Shiv k Patel for a property located on 1 65 Caso Street. The purpose of this application is the, the applicant is looking to build a second story addition to the house. There are a number of variances that were called out, although none of these are caused by the second story addition. These are all existing variances that were put in place by the previous owner of the property. If you look at those variances, I'll just highlight some quickly. They're all related to setbacks and they're all rather di minimis. Some of them are, are as low as basically half a foot. And as I said, they are existing. The only one that is not setback related is a fence that is in the current right of way.  
Speaker 8     00:15:49    I do have a report from Mr. Hinterstein that's dated December 11th, 2023. There's really only three comments on that. And just taking the tenor of the, of the, the evening. I think I'll just address the quickly. And I think that'll go, that'll be the quick way to go about this. The, we will agree to all of Mr. Stein's comments. The his first comment is to basically remove the fence from the right of way. So that does eliminate one of the variances that we were requesting. We were hoping to keep it there, but I had had a conversation with the applicant and we do agree to, if we are approved to condition that on removing the fence, there's also a call for some screening and buffering around the existing garage. We will comply with that as well. And finally, there's a call for a five foot temporary construction easement with, with which we will agree with as well. I Shiv, Patel is present. I don't believe he would need to directly testify, but he is here if the board has any questions of him. Apart from that, I have one witness that would be our architect, Mr. Steve Drea, who is present and is just going to briefly take us around the, the proposal. And then I think, I think that would be it for us.  
Speaker 1     00:17:00    Please proceed.  
Speaker 3     00:17:02    There are no variances associated with the building construction.  
Speaker 8     00:17:08    That's correct. Mr. Chadwick, these are all existing variances. Nothing is being triggered by the additional second story.  
Speaker 3     00:17:16    And I think the pictures speak for themselves. It's up to the board.  
Speaker 1     00:17:19    Yeah, I think we can move forward with this at this point. I don't think we need to hear any further testimony unless any other members of the board have any questions or comments.  
Speaker 8     00:17:28    I you're putting down Mr. Cahill, I, I will leave it to the board to make their decision.  
Speaker 1     00:17:34    Appreciate you and you  
Speaker 3     00:17:36    To Cahn to confirm you've agreed with all of the recommendations of the report.  
Speaker 8     00:17:43    Correct. All of all three comments of Mr. Hinterstein will be agreed with Will Beed. Perfect.  
Speaker 1     00:17:48    Any other members of the board have any questions? Hearing none, I'm gonna open it to the public. Any member of the public have any questions or comments about this application?  
Speaker 0     00:17:56    Anyone in the public if you would like to comment, you'd have to raise your hand so I could see that you have a question? No. One Chairman  
Speaker 1     00:18:07    Okay. Close the public portion and I'd make a motion to approve this application. And I got a second. I'll second. Please call the roll.  
Speaker 0     00:18:16    Mr. Weisman?  
Speaker 1     00:18:17    Yes.  
Speaker 0     00:18:18    Yes. Mr. Tillery?  
Speaker 1     00:18:20    Yes.  
Speaker 0     00:18:20    Yes. Mr. Patel?  
Speaker 6     00:18:22    Yes.  
Speaker 0     00:18:22    Yes. Mr. Regio?  
Speaker 1     00:18:25    Yes.  
Speaker 0     00:18:25    Yes. Mr. Bla?  
Speaker 1     00:18:27    Yes.  
Speaker 0     00:18:28    Mr. Heca? Yes.  
Speaker 1     00:18:29    Yes.  
Speaker 0     00:18:30    Mr. Mitterando?  
Speaker 1     00:18:31    Yes.  
Speaker 0     00:18:32    And Chairman Kale?  
Speaker 1     00:18:34    Yes. Thank you so much. We'll, it in January. Okay. Moving forward, let's go to item number 10 23 dash ZB dash 64 slash 65 VBYO dash usa.  
Speaker 1     00:18:55    Mr. Chairman, Jim Stahl, I, I really have nothing to say. I'm really here just to receive the decision. You will recall that there were five members present at the hearing last month. And, you know, to protect my client, although I trust the board, I elected to wait until this month where additional members could read and certify the transcript. If you have any questions, any member has a question. Mr. Kenley? I have Mr. I have my engineer on this phone call Chris Zale and will answer any questions if there are any. All of the members present tonight. Were either present last month or have certified that they read the transcript. Thank you very much. Do any members of the board of any question need to open it to the public? Yes. Do any members of the, of the board of any questions or comments about this application? Hearing none. I'm gonna open it to the public. Any member of the public have any comments or questions about this application? Ms. Buckley?  
Speaker 0     00:20:03    Okay. Mr. Chairman, I'm gonna unmute all of them just to make sure sometimes they have a problem if they're on their phone raising their hand. Understood. Gimme one moment. Understood.  
Speaker 1     00:20:13    Thank you. Thank you.  
Speaker 0     00:20:26    Okay. Members of the public, does anybody have any questions or comments on V-Y-O-U-S-A? Nope. No. One Chairman.  
Speaker 1     00:20:37    Okay. Close the public portion. I'd make a motion to approve this application with all the conditions that we put on it at the last meeting. Can I get a second?  
Speaker 3     00:20:47    I second  
Speaker 1     00:20:49    Please Call the roll.  
Speaker 0     00:20:51    Mr. Weisman?  
Speaker 1     00:20:53    Yes. Yes.  
Speaker 0     00:20:54    Mr. Tillery? Yes. Yes. Mr. Patel?  
Speaker 3     00:20:57    Yes.  
Speaker 0     00:20:57    Yes. Mr. Reggio?  
Speaker 1     00:20:59    Yes.  
Speaker 0     00:21:00    Yes. Mr. Bla?  
Speaker 3     00:21:02    Yes. Yes.  
Speaker 0     00:21:02    Mr. Heka?  
Speaker 1     00:21:04    Yes.  
Speaker 0     00:21:04    Yes. Mr. Mitterando?  
Speaker 3     00:21:06    Yes. Yes.  
Speaker 0     00:21:07    And Chairman Cahill?  
Speaker 1     00:21:08    Yes. Mr. Sta we'll memorialize this at our next meeting. Thank you very much.  
Speaker 3     00:21:13    And all of you have a  
Speaker 1     00:21:14    Very, very happy holiday and a happy New year. Will do, will do.  
Speaker 0     00:21:17    Thank you. You too. Mr. Sta  
Speaker 1     00:21:18    Thank, thank to you. Thank you, Laura. Okay, let's move on to item number 1123 dash zb dash 95 E. Caz. Beverly. Is Cass Beverly present?  
Speaker 9     00:21:33    Yes, I'm present.  
Speaker 1     00:21:36    Mr. P Beverly, I need to swear you in. Could you raise your right hand? Do you swear that the testimony you're about to give should be the truth?  
Speaker 9     00:21:43    Yes.  
Speaker 1     00:21:44    Thank you. Could you explain to the board about your first, give us your name and address. Sorry.  
Speaker 9     00:21:49    Sure. Cass Beverly. 3 58 Hazelwood Place, Piscataway, New Jersey.  
Speaker 1     00:21:54    Thank you  
Speaker 3     00:21:56    Mr. Chairman. Before Mr. Hazel. Mr. Beverly, this is a condition that's been longstanding and they report Mr. Hinterstein indicates that adequate parking is available at the site, which is one of the reasons you have a garage. But the way it was done is that the garage still appears to exist from the street. So it's, it's more of a storage area now. But I think all the aesthetic considerations and off street parking considerations comply with ship requirements. And just Stein's report doesn't make any other recommendations.  
Speaker 1     00:22:46    Yeah. In the ex, in the interest of expediting this process, I, I honestly think that we can move ahead on this Mr. Beverly, right now.  
Speaker 9     00:22:54    Fantastic.  
Speaker 1     00:22:55    Okay. Any other members of the board of any questions or comments about this application? Hearing none, I'm gonna open it to the public. Anyone in the public have any questions or comments about this application? Ms. Buckley?  
Speaker 0     00:23:08    No. One Chairman.  
Speaker 1     00:23:09    Okay. Close the public portion and I'd make a motion to approve this application. I'll second Thank you. Please call the roll.  
Speaker 0     00:23:16    Mr. Weisman? Yes. Yes. Mr. Tillery? Yes.  
Speaker 1     00:23:20    Yes.  
Speaker 0     00:23:20    Mr. Patel?  
Speaker 3     00:23:22    Yes.  
Speaker 0     00:23:22    Yes. Mr. Regio?  
Speaker 1     00:23:24    Yes.  
Speaker 0     00:23:24    Yes. Mr. Blanc?  
Speaker 3     00:23:26    Yes.  
Speaker 0     00:23:27    Mr. Heka? Yes. Yes. Mr. Mitterando?  
Speaker 1     00:23:30    Yes.  
Speaker 0     00:23:30    Yes. And Chairman? Cahill  
Speaker 1     00:23:32    Got yes. I'm sorry, Beverly. Your application's been approved. We will memorialize it in a written document at our next meeting and send that document to you.  
Speaker 9     00:23:41    Thank you so much. Have a good evening everyone.  
Speaker 1     00:23:43    Good. Let's move on to item number 1223 dash ZB dash 100 V. Robin Shepherd. Is Ms. Shepherd present?  
Speaker 10    00:23:54    Yes.  
Speaker 1     00:23:56    I need to swear you in. Could you raise your right hand? Do you swear that the testimony you're about to give should be the truth? Yes. Thank you. Could I have your name and address please?  
Speaker 10    00:24:05    Robin Shepherd. 180 1 Lakeside Drive, north Piscataway 0 8 8 5 4.  
Speaker 1     00:24:11    Thank you. Could you explain to the board what you would like to do here?  
Speaker 10    00:24:15    We'd like to replace our back porch with a new porch that has a portico, a roof over it.  
Speaker 1     00:24:29    Mr. Chadwick,  
Speaker 3     00:24:32    The site impact report doesn't do any comments as to the re reconstruction of the report, but there are some questions. The survey doesn't show the fence that's on the property now, so it's should be updated. The is a fence easement necessary from the prior resolution when you were before the board previously. And that easement shown is also in terms of relocation. The walkway and the walkway easement don't coincide. And that was one of the prior conditions, right? To correct that updated survey showing that the easement has been relocated in the proper documentation, anybody in the future. And there's the last issue is observed. There's bamboo on your property  
Speaker 10    00:25:51    By the, by on the opposite side, by the woods on the opposite side of the easement.  
Speaker 3     00:26:00    It's, it is an invasive species. It's by town subordinates. And the recommendation is either remove it or build a trench 24 inches deep around it. So it'll be contained. Otherwise it's just gonna spread and spread and spread the 24 inches. Is there a low rooted plant and you have your choice of either taking it out or putting a trench around it to stop it from spreading?  
Speaker 10    00:26:37    Okay. We'll put a trench.  
Speaker 3     00:26:39    Okay. And the get the updated survey, which you need to do anyway.  
Speaker 10    00:26:47    Okay.  
Speaker 3     00:26:47    Because it's the prior condition was you relocate it. You can talk to Mr. Hinterstein on how, how it should be done and give it to your surveyor and then you'll give the easement to the Township and you'll record it.  
Speaker 10    00:27:07    Okay. Mr. Hinterstein?  
Speaker 3     00:27:09    Yes.  
Speaker 10    00:27:10    Okay.  
Speaker 3     00:27:11    And he, he call Laura's office and she'll get you in contact.  
Speaker 10    00:27:16    Okay.  
Speaker 3     00:27:17    So you agree to those items?  
Speaker 10    00:27:19    Yes.  
Speaker 1     00:27:21    Jim, John, is there anything to mention about a, a driveway, any issue there? I don't see it on the side impact, but I was, I was led to believe that there was some issue.  
Speaker 10    00:27:34    The back porch is not near the driveway at all.  
Speaker 1     00:27:37    No. We're aware of that. But there are other conditions on the property that need to be addressed once you're in front of us for the porch.  
Speaker 10    00:27:44    Okay.  
Speaker 1     00:27:44    I'm just, I'm just trying to get to the bottom of it. Ma I'm trying to expedite the process.  
Speaker 3     00:27:47    Yeah, the driveway, when they relocate the easement, the driveway will no longer be in the easement. Right now it's,  
Speaker 1     00:27:56    Yeah, but I think the issue is whether or not she needs a paved driveway.  
Speaker 3     00:28:01    Oh, is it driveway in poor condition?  
Speaker 10    00:28:05    No, it's gravel.  
Speaker 1     00:28:07    Is it gravel?  
Speaker 10    00:28:09    Yes. But it's edged with the, the Belgian block.  
Speaker 1     00:28:14    I think the recommendation normally is from the road, the road itself. There should be a paved 10, at least 10 feet of pavement off the main road to prevent stones from getting out onto the, the road to be kicked up into other vehicles and whatnot. You could,  
Speaker 3     00:28:28    You could do that. You can dump epoxy on it. It that'll work just as fine. Just as well, that's what I did in my driveway.  
Speaker 10    00:28:36    Or put what?  
Speaker 3     00:28:37    It's an epoxy. You just pour, mix it up and it looks like the gravel driveway, but it's solid surface, no stone bouncing off the street.  
Speaker 1     00:28:52    Yeah, man. The interest is, the interest is to keep the, the gravel off the main road. 'cause the tires kick it up and you break windshields and whatnot. So the Township, when a situation like this comes in, you, you come in for something totally unrelated, we have an opportunity to correct an a problem on your property. So if you want go to, is it like a Home Depot, John, where she can get this? It's just a no  
Speaker 3     00:29:13    Aport  
Speaker 1     00:29:14    No, no.  
Speaker 3     00:29:14    You know what? Just do the asphalt now beat simply No,  
Speaker 10    00:29:20    I thought we were like, there's no,  
Speaker 3     00:29:22    Well, why don't you do this? Why don't you discuss it with the engineering planning department that you know about a epoxy that can be mixed in with each stone and it makes a solid surface. There aren't gonna be any rocks flying any place. And if they agree with it, then do that.  
Speaker 10    00:29:43    Okay. Now I was under the impression that the driveway would need to be dealt with if we were selling the house.  
Speaker 3     00:29:50    You Well, it's, you're unmistaken.  
Speaker 10    00:29:52    Oh, okay. That's okay. So then if  
Speaker 1     00:29:56    You, if you make that a condition, I think we can move ahead with this, ma'am.  
Speaker 10    00:30:00    Yeah, I can. All right. So I have to discuss, call the planning department to discuss what to do  
Speaker 3     00:30:07    Again, Mr. Hinterstein is the Go-to guide.  
Speaker 10    00:30:11    Okay? Okay. I got it.  
Speaker 1     00:30:13    Do you wanna move this back or make it a condition, Jim? How should I be able to, we, we can make it a condition. Okay. Any other members of the board of any questions or comments?  
Speaker 10    00:30:24    What do you mean make it a condition  
Speaker 1     00:30:27    Alternative is that we adjourn your matter to another date and let you talk to Mr. Hinterstein in the interim. But if we don't do that and we act on the matter tonight, just make talking to Mr. Hinterstein a condition of the approval you could move forward sooner.  
Speaker 10    00:30:45    Okay. I'll do that.  
Speaker 1     00:30:48    Okay. You wanna wait to speak to Mr. Hinterstein or do you wanna move ahead tonight?  
Speaker 10    00:30:56    How? With  
Speaker 1     00:30:58    One of the conditions? With one of the conditions being the 10 foot of asphalt?  
Speaker 10    00:31:03    Yes, I will do that. That's fine. Okay.  
Speaker 1     00:31:05    Well, fantastic. Any other members of the board have any questions or comments?  
Speaker 10    00:31:10    Excellent.  
Speaker 1     00:31:10    Hearing none, I'm gonna move it to the public. Anyone in the public have any comments or questions for this application?  
Speaker 0     00:31:16    No. One Chairman  
Speaker 1     00:31:18    Okay. Close the public portion and I will make a motion to approve this application with the conditions we just stated. Can I get a second? I'll second it. Roll please.  
Speaker 0     00:31:28    Mr. Weisman? Yes. Yes. Mr. Tillery?  
Speaker 1     00:31:31    Yes.  
Speaker 0     00:31:32    Yes. Mr. Patel?  
Speaker 10    00:31:35    Yes. Yes.  
Speaker 0     00:31:36    Mr. Reia?  
Speaker 1     00:31:37    Yes.  
Speaker 0     00:31:38    Yes. Mr. Blanc?  
Speaker 3     00:31:40    Yes.  
Speaker 0     00:31:40    Mr. Haka?  
Speaker 1     00:31:42    Yes.  
Speaker 0     00:31:42    Mr. Mitterando? Yes. And Chairman Cahill?  
Speaker 1     00:31:46    Yes. Yes, Ms. Shepherd, your application has been approved with some conditions. We'll memorialize this in a written document at our next meeting in January. We'll send that document to you. You'll need that to get your building permit.  
Speaker 10    00:31:58    Okay? Great. Thank you very much.  
Speaker 1     00:32:00    Thank you, ma'am. Have a great night.  
Speaker 10    00:32:02    Have a nice holiday.  
Speaker 1     00:32:03    You too, ma'am. Item number 1322 dash ZB dash 69 V. Derek Bradshaw and Ida Gonzalez. Yes. Good evening.  
Speaker 11    00:32:14    Good evening, Mr. Chairman. Erica Edwards appearing on behalf of the Bradshaws.  
Speaker 1     00:32:20    Good evening.  
Speaker 11    00:32:24    So we have Mr. Hinter Epstein's report here as well. And in the interest of keeping this moving because it's, we know the board has a lot of business on the agenda. We, we note that Mr. Hinterstein noted that we purchased the property, our property at 1500 Quincy Street. We've purchased it with the existing conditions. So in other words, the, we, we haven't done anything to the exterior, but paint and replace that old wooden fence that was there. However, when we replaced the wooden fence with the vinyl fence that is now there, we pla we placed it in the precise same location. It's the same height, identical dimensions. It's just vinyl rather than wood. When we did that, we unfortunately did not realize that we needed a permit to replace it. We thought we didn't because there was an existing fence, but we made a mistake. And when, when it was brought to our attention, we went and applied for the permit, tried to, but we were denied because there are variance conditions that are apparent from, from, you know, largely as a function of, of our, our fence. So we see Mr. Hinterstein it's recommendation here. Candidly, I wish we had reached out to him to speak with him directly because I'm, I'm not sure that we're clear on exactly what he's recommending here, but perhaps Mr. Chadwick can help us understand that,  
Speaker 3     00:34:08    You know, I think this is the case, the expenses there, you come to a resolution. Mr. Stein's report is pretty clear. You obviously want to further discuss it. And I would suggest you carry this matter and speak with Mr. Hinterstein directly before the meeting in January.  
Speaker 11    00:34:32    You think he would meet us out there, Mr. Chadwick?  
Speaker 3     00:34:35    I can't speak for him. Sure. I'm sure he would, but it's just a matter of scheduling.  
Speaker 11    00:34:42    Okay.  
Speaker 1     00:34:45    All right. That's the recommendation. You think you okay with that Ms. Edwards?  
Speaker 11    00:34:49    Yes. I think that's a fine recommendation.  
Speaker 1     00:34:51    I think that'd be prudent to be honest with you. Okay. Laura, is the 11th becoming packed now or no,  
Speaker 0     00:34:59    Not yet. January 11th.  
Speaker 1     00:35:01    Okay.  
Speaker 0     00:35:02    Let, and if any revised plans are to be given, they have to be in 10 days before the meeting.  
Speaker 11    00:35:07    Understood. And would you like us to extend the time for the board to make a decision? Because I believe the time expires at the end of this month. Yes,  
Speaker 0     00:35:16    Please. I'll, I'll, I'll look tomorrow and I'll email it to you.  
Speaker 11    00:35:19    Okay, very good. Thank you for your help.  
Speaker 1     00:35:21    Have a great evening.  
Speaker 11    00:35:23    You too. Thank you. Happy holidays.  
Speaker 1     00:35:25    Same man. So anybody here on the Bradshaw and Gonzalez application? 1500 Quincy Street. This will be continued to January 11th, 2024 with no further notice by the applicant. Thank you very much. Thank you, ma'am. Have a good evening. Let's move on to item number 1523 dash ZB dash 1 0 3 v BJ Singal.  
Speaker 8     00:35:49    Thank you Mr. Chairman and Esteem members of the board and board professionals. My name is Tim Arch attorney licensed in the state of New Jersey here representing VJ Singhal. This is for 4 46 Second Avenue. I believe the board is familiar with this application. This is an, an amended prior approval to, for Mr. Singhal to construct a house. You may recall this house was designed specifically for his handicapped daughter. She's wheelchair bound. She has a, a very serious condition in which her skin is like crepe paper and, and a braids very easily. And so part of the design of the home is to allow, is to maybe make more ample space to allow her to, to move around freely. So I don't think I need to go into all that testimony o over again with Mr. Singhal, although he is here if the board has any direct questions.  
Speaker 8     00:36:42    As you may recall, we were in front of the board not too long ago as a discussion item because when construction of the house was going to be done, it was discovered that the water table was higher than, than re than was previously suspected. So because of that, that led to the design of the house having to be not changed at all, but basically lifted up. And at that time we were asking to lift it up five feet to account for that water table. Mr. Hinterstein was at that meeting and he actually pointed out that raising it would trigger a variance. He was actually mistaken about that. He has since checked and there were no variances that were triggered in terms of numbers of floors and we are not exceeding or even meeting the maximum height for that area. So what we were proposing did not trigger any new variances, but Mr. Stein was indicating that it would, that it may exacerbate existing variances.  
Speaker 8     00:37:42    So we filed this, this amended application. We actually were able to, with our architect, Mr. Mark Marcel, we were able to actually reduce it again slightly so that we are now raising the home only about three feet from what it was. So even slightly less than what we were proposing at the discussion meeting. I think really the only question for the board is whether or not is, is essentially if the board's decision to grant the variances at the original hearing would have been different had the building been three feet higher. It doesn't trigger any new variances. It's still underneath the maximum height for that zone, which is 35 feet. We are significantly under that. And really it comes down to, and the only comment that Mr. Hinterstein has on his report is that, is that the necessary testimony would have to be put on the record to justify this.  
Speaker 8     00:38:42    Well, frankly, it's because of the water table. That's a topological feature of the undersized lot, I think would fall under a c one hardship argument. But again, I don't think that we have to go through the rehashing all the testimony of Mr. Al and Mr. Marcel. Mr. Marcel is here and he's available in, in case there is any questions from the board of the board professionals. But I think it really just comes down to the question of, if that home design was three feet taller at the original application, would that have changed the board's unanimous vote to approve this or would the board still have voted? And I'll also point out no members of the public voiced the objection at the, at the initial hearing. And although we haven't opened it up to the public yet, I would hope that there's no members of the public objecting to this. So I  
Speaker 1     00:39:33    Are there any members, I I got it from here, Tim. Are there any other members of the board that have any questions or comments about this? Mr. Arch? Did Henry shoot you an email or send you a letter say, stating that that statement you just made about there being no variance on the, on books or anything? Yes,  
Speaker 8     00:39:49    He, he did. I actually, I actually emailed him after that meeting to ask if he could actually direct me to the, to the part of the ordinance that, that he was citing. And he emailed me back to say that he was mistaken that he was actually thinking of, I believe another town potentially that he had worked in. So he did, he did confirm that. I think it was an honest mistake, obviously. No,  
Speaker 1     00:40:10    I agree. Yeah.  
Speaker 3     00:40:13    Mr. Chairman, I think you ought put on the, the maximum height allowed in the zone is Mr. Arch,  
Speaker 8     00:40:19    Maximum height in the zone is 35 feet. And we are actually Mark, if you're here, do you have the, do you know the height that we are at  
Speaker 3     00:40:31    What Yes, I did propose now, and  
Speaker 12    00:40:35    There's third I proposed is 30.45 feet,  
Speaker 8     00:40:39    30.45.  
Speaker 3     00:40:40    And what was it when the original application was approved?  
Speaker 12    00:40:44    27.53.  
Speaker 1     00:40:48    Yeah, that's the three feet that Mr. Clark is talking about. Yeah, exactly. Three feet. Yes. I I don't think that's an issue.  
Speaker 3     00:40:55    But it's considerably less than the maximum allowed.  
Speaker 1     00:40:57    Correct? Correct. Agreed. Agreed. Any other members of the board have any questions or comments? Okay, hearing none, I'm gonna open it to the public. Anyone in the public have any questions or comments about this application?  
Speaker 0     00:41:09    I have one Chairman, hold on one second. Sure. His name is Rob.  
Speaker 1     00:41:16    Rob, can you raise your right hand? I need to swear you in. Can you see me or hear me? Your name? We can hear you, sir. Okay. Do you swear that the testimony you're about to give should be the truth? Yes. Your name and address please? Rob Crito 4 29 Patton  
Speaker 13    00:41:32    Avenue, directly behind the lot.  
Speaker 1     00:41:35    Thank you. Go ahead, sir.  
Speaker 13    00:41:38    My, my only comment, I I missed the original. We were away and couldn't see it, but I, I don't have a problem with the house and, and all that. It's just, it by raising it. I just wanna make sure the grading does not put any water towards my property.  
Speaker 1     00:41:54    Fair enough questions, sir. That's my only,  
Speaker 13    00:41:56    Only issue. And, and if you know the history of those few houses, there used to be a drainage dish through there that has been, as work was done on each house was filled in over the years. So I think that's your water issue.  
Speaker 8     00:42:14    If I could address that Chairman, we don't have our engineer, John DuPont here. I can say that I did confirm with him that the raising of the home does not change anything to do with the grading or the stormwater or the, or any of the engineering that was originally proposed. And in designing and building this house, I believe there's actually going to be improved stormwater management on the site because of our proposal. I believe there's a, a I think there may be a dry well or, or some stormwater management measures that are taken. But again, I'm not an engineer, so I can't spec I can't testify specifically to that. Okay.  
Speaker 1     00:42:50    Thank you Ms. Do any other questions, sir?  
Speaker 13    00:42:55    No, that was all. Just,  
Speaker 1     00:42:56    Just Okay. Thank you for your, thank you for your input. Any other members of the public out there have any questions about this application?  
Speaker 0     00:43:04    No. Chairman.  
Speaker 1     00:43:05    Okay. Close the public portion. I make a motion to approve this application and I get a second. I'll second it. Ms. Coroll?  
Speaker 0     00:43:16    Mr. Weisman?  
Speaker 1     00:43:17    Yes.  
Speaker 0     00:43:17    Yes. Mr. Tillery?  
Speaker 1     00:43:19    Yes.  
Speaker 0     00:43:19    Yes. Mr. Patel?  
Speaker 1     00:43:23    Yes.  
Speaker 0     00:43:23    Yes. Mr. Regio?  
Speaker 1     00:43:25    Yes.  
Speaker 0     00:43:26    Mr. Blot?  
Speaker 1     00:43:27    Yes.  
Speaker 0     00:43:28    Mr. Heca?  
Speaker 1     00:43:29    Yes. Yes.  
Speaker 0     00:43:30    Mr. Mitterando?  
Speaker 1     00:43:32    Yes.  
Speaker 0     00:43:32    And Chairman Cahill?  
Speaker 1     00:43:34    Yes. We'll memorialize it in January.  
Speaker 8     00:43:38    Thank you so much.  
Speaker 14    00:43:39    Can I say something Mr. Chairman?  
Speaker 1     00:43:41    Take care. Have a good evening.  
Speaker 14    00:43:43    Yeah, no, my daughter was waiting for that day and you gave her that Christmas grip, so  
Speaker 1     00:43:47    We we're glad to help out. You does our hearts warm when we help sit, you know, residents out with situations like that. So you're more than welcome. Thank you. Thank you for the bottom of my, oh my, no, my blessing. Don't worry about it. Item number 1623 dash ZB dash 20 v CZ Piscataway.  
Speaker 8     00:44:07    Thank you Mr. Chairman. This is still Tim arch, still licensed attorney in the state of New Jersey. I am here representing CZ Piscataway, LLC. This is a bifurcated use variance. I'm sure the board is aware, but just, just to reiterate, a bifurcated use variance, we're here asking for a, a use that is not permitted. If granted, we would then be coming back to the board with a full site plan. So there may be some aspects or, or some specific questions that really are more appropriate to be addressed at the site plan rather than the, the bifurcated use variance. But we are asking for the use in order to construct a self, self-storage facility in a residential zone. There are some additional variances that we've also identified, but again, all those will be addressed at the site plan. But we, we are addressing maximum building height, maximum building coverage.  
Speaker 8     00:45:03    Those are the main ones. Obviously the use of the use as a self storage. And then there is a parking deficiency required. Is 256 spaces proposed are 17 spaces. That sounds like it is a astronomical difference. But what you will find, and I think what you'll find through our testimony and actually what is backed up by your own experts, your report from Dolan and Dean, is that the needs of parking and the traffic generated by self-storage is extremely low. And the ordinance and the parking calculations in the town are really not designed with self-storage in mind in any regard. So that's why you get that big disparity between what is required in parking and what is the reality actually required in parking. And again, I've, I've, I've alluded to, we have some reports. We have Mr. Hinterstein report from December 11th. We have EPW member memo from October 23rd that essentially just says there, they will not comment until the site plan.  
Speaker 8     00:46:04    We have a, a Dolan and Dean's report from November 6th, which I alluded to, which indicated that our parking variances can be granted with no negative impacts. There will be no additional traffic impacts and that we are actually providing more parking than what the, the standard, the not RSIS, but the equivalent of RSIS standard would be for self storage in that area. And then finally our last report is Mr. Chadwick's report of November 17th. So tonight I do have three witnesses. I have James Coley, he's the representative of cz, just getaway. I then have Mr. Matt Shero, he's from Dynamic Engineering. And then finally Allison Coffin is our professional planner. We also have our architect here as well, if the board has any questions. But again, I think, I think the architecture will be more directed towards the site plan application, although we do have, i, I believe a signed detail that was, that was presented just to address one comment in Mr. Hinter Epstein's report. We are agreeing, I believe to all of Mr. Hinter Epstein's comments. The only one that I think really we needed to address was moving of the, moving the sign. We have an ex we we're presenting a freestanding sign or a monument sign that we were proposing at eight feet from the right of way, he wanted it to be 10 feet. We will comply with that. Okay. So without any further ado, I believe Mr. Coley is, is ready to be sworn in and testify.  
Speaker 3     00:47:42    May I interrupt one second before we start the testimony. Mr. Arch, have you gonna have testimony relevant to the rip question?  
Speaker 8     00:47:53    Yes, Mr. She will, Mr. She will address that. But I but just as a, as a,  
Speaker 3     00:47:57    Lemme ask you the question. Have you had an approval from DEP yet?  
Speaker 8     00:48:03    I, no, I don't believe we've had an approval from DEP, but I can tell you there are no wetlands on that property. Again, I, Mr. Chaill can address that.  
Speaker 3     00:48:10    That has nothing to do with it. You got a stream next to your property, you, you get impacted by the riparian.  
Speaker 8     00:48:18    My understanding is that there is no riparian buffer. But again, I'll have Mr. Charo address that because he's much more qualified to address it than I am. Mr. Chadwick.  
Speaker 3     00:48:27    Could I I suggest we have that testimony first to be convincing because if there is a rip buffer required, it'll have significant impact on the use of the pro, well not the use, but how much you can use on that lot. So if I want, I don't wanna go through, you know, whatever time it is and we find out that, oops, we can't do it.  
Speaker 8     00:48:57    Understood if, if it's the board's pleasure, I can start with Mr. Chaill of dynamic engineering and I think we  
Speaker 3     00:49:01    Should get dispose of that issue.  
Speaker 1     00:49:03    Thank, thank you John. I appreciate that. Yeah. Mr. Archer, I'd like to proceed that, that way as well.  
Speaker 8     00:49:08    Certainly Mr. Charo is available and I believe his right to be sworn in.  
Speaker 1     00:49:13    Could you raise your right hand? Do you swear the testimony you're about to give should be the truth?  
Speaker 15    00:49:19    I do.  
Speaker 1     00:49:19    Your name and address please.  
Speaker 15    00:49:21    It's Matthew Shero, dynamic Engineering 1904 Main Street in Lake Como, New Jersey.  
Speaker 1     00:49:29    Thank you.  
Speaker 15    00:49:31    No problem. Thank you.  
Speaker 8     00:49:33    Mr. Charo, if you could just briefly give us the benefit of your credentials and let us know if you've ever been accepted as an expert in front of Piscataway boards.  
Speaker 15    00:49:41    So I have been practicing engineer for over 20 years now, PE since 2016. I'm a principal at Dynamic Engineering. I've been accepted at the planning board in Piscataway and then multiple municipalities around Piscataway and throughout.  
Speaker 1     00:49:56    That's fine. So you, you, your qualification. So again,  
Speaker 15    00:49:59    Thank you very much. Appreciate that.  
Speaker 8     00:50:01    All right, Matt, I'm gonna just give you the, the floor if you can please address Mr. Chadwick's concerns, I guess initially.  
Speaker 15    00:50:06    Sure, no problem. So, because this is not a ca can I share my screen so everybody has an idea of what we're talking about here? Sure. Can everybody see  
Speaker 1     00:50:19    Yes. Yes.  
Speaker 15    00:50:20    All right. So this is the colorized version of the site plan that was submitted sematic site plan that was submitted as part of this application. So this could be marked as a one since it's different from the submittal. Sure. It's I'll just for the record, it's site and schematic landscape planning rendering prepared by Dynamic Engineering dated 1214 2023.  
Speaker 15    00:50:44    Thanks. So the, the, the, the question here is we went out and did a walk of the site to determine if there was wetlands. It was determined that there was not wetlands associated with this, with this brook dottie's brook. But there is a, there is a buffer to the top of Bank of the Brook. So that's what was flagged was the top of Bank of the Brook. So that is what these, on the map that you see, and I'll zoom in a little bit for everybody to see. So you see these flag, these, these markers, A one, A two all the way up through a 11. And there was more that went off the property. That is the top of that is the top of bank for Dottie brook. And associated with that is a 50 foot buffer. And that 50 foot buffer is this line right here.  
Speaker 15    00:51:37    If you can all see on my screen that I'm, I'm, I'm traveling along, it's the multi dash with the dot line that's the 50 foot buffer to the top of bank associated with the Dottie brook. So as you can see, it basically falls off the property for most of it except for the, the southwest or northwest corner and the northeast corner of the property where we are not impacting that area at all. And just to further the DEP questions, there is also a flood hazard area associated with the brook and that elevation is ranges between 67 and 68 flood elevation. And this, the improvements of this site are about 10 feet higher than that elevation. So there's no impact from the flood hazard area as well. So from, from our perspective, from DEP perspective, there's no impact on, on the brook or the flood hazard area With the improvements of this project,  
Speaker 3     00:52:34    You didn't address riparian requirements?  
Speaker 15    00:52:36    This is, yeah, this is, this is not a, this is not a category one. So there's no 300 foot riparian here. It's gonna be, it's open water. So it's based on the top of bank.  
Speaker 3     00:52:48    I'm not talking about 300 feet. Well you're talking total, total width of the riparian. But I'm just talking about generally the applications I've seen last several years. DEP lays or rip buffer of 150 feet on intermittent streams.  
Speaker 15    00:53:09    Not, not because this is state open water. This is, this is based on the top of bank in associated with the flood hazard area. So we're looking at a 50 foot buffer here to the top of bank.  
Speaker 3     00:53:24    Mr.  
Speaker 8     00:53:24    Chadwick, if I may, as you had indicated before, really that would, if there is a riparian impact that would impact the site plan more so than it would impact really this bifurcated use variance?  
Speaker 3     00:53:37    I I think it would re I think it would relate to your proposal. Well because you're asking for coverage variances and various other variances. They might all go away if we had to deal with rip period. But I'm not gonna get argumentative about heard the testimony. The expert says he's, this is open state waters and doing from top of bank and I'm not gonna comment on whether DEP is always consistent or not.  
Speaker 15    00:54:13    I won't comment on that either, Mr. Chadwick  
Speaker 8     00:54:18    And it's safe to say, Mr. Chaill, just to piggyback on that, obviously DEP would have jurisdiction and we will obviously have to follow whatever DEP regulations are imposed. Is that correct?  
Speaker 3     00:54:29    Yeah, I think, yeah. I mean we don't, nobody wants to get caught flatfooted on this thing. Have you got any permits from DEP at this point?  
Speaker 15    00:54:41    We have not.  
Speaker 3     00:54:43    Have you approached them?  
Speaker 15    00:54:45    No, because we would need full site plans for that.  
Speaker 8     00:54:53    Okay. What are the reasons that we're requesting the bifurcating?  
Speaker 3     00:54:55    I mean we've had, we've had several applications where we had use variances and all of a sudden DEP gets into the ACT and the  
Speaker 8     00:55:15    Mr. Chadwick, if, if I could, I, I,  
Speaker 3     00:55:17    I, no, I accept, I accept. Is that for me?  
Speaker 1     00:55:24    No, somebody's got a feedback. The phone's too close to their mic. But John proceed,  
Speaker 3     00:55:32    I think we can accept the testimony and they go with their own risks. I mean, they haven't approached DEP, they're going from their experience and their knowledge of the regulations and accept that.  
Speaker 15    00:55:48    Okay. Thank you.  
Speaker 1     00:55:51    Proceed this.  
Speaker 8     00:55:53    So Mr. Chaill, since you already have the the floor, if you can just take us to the rest of your testimony and then I'll, I'll double back to Mr. Coley for the, for his testimony.  
Speaker 15    00:56:06    Sure thing. So real quick, I just want to, you know, go through some existing conditions, some proposed conditions of the, of the property and I, I'll make this, I'll make this quick 'cause everybody knows, you know where we're at here. This is block 5 6 0 1 block 2.055. The address is 1659 South Washington Avenue, Aithal, also known as County Route 6 55. Lemme share my screen again. Screen share. Can everybody see this? The screen? Yep. Yes. Yes. All right. So this is, this is a colorized version of the Aerial Map exhibit prepared by Dynamic Engineering dated this will be a two, this will be a two yes prepared by Dynamic Engineering dated 1214 2023. The, the property in question is located at the center of the screen. For the purposes of this presentation, north is to the left of the screen noted by the North arrow at the top right corner to the north of the site is the Piscataway town center. To the east of the site is count vacant, county owned land that's wooded up here to the south of the site is more county owned land with a residential use and municipal land owned land beyond to the west is South Washington Avenue with the industrial, the South Washington, a industrial park across the street.  
Speaker 15    00:57:38    And moving on to a more detailed look at existing conditions, this is an aerial map exhibit at 30 scale prepared by Dynamic Engineering dated 1214 2013. I'll call it Exhibit A three. This just shows you a better view of what's going on on site today. There are some multiple structures on site with a driveway, a couple curb cuts along South Washington Avenue. Some sheds, some two story residential structures garage, some equipment stored in the back, but mostly, you know, you know, cleared for the, for the residential portion and then some wooded area. The brook, just so everybody is aware, the brook is located basically along this zone line between the, the town center and the property in question. Moving on to proposed conditions, this is again, exhibit A one I believe we, we called it site and schematic landscaping plan rendering. I'm just gonna walk you through the plan really quick.  
Speaker 15    00:58:40    As you enter the site through a full movement driveway along South Washington Avenue, you have a 24 foot drive aisle that circulates around the entire building for full, full circulation, full two-way circulation around the building. As you come up to the, the front corner of the building, you have eight parking stalls for access to some units as well as the office. Then you have a security gate, which allows you to access the rest of the property. Behind that security gate, you have nine parking stalls located here. Those are for, you know, patrons to use while they're there. And then we have a 30 foot wide loading zone along the, the south side of the building. At the end of that loading zone is your 10 by your 10 by 20 truck trash enclosure. As we work our way around the site, you see the 24 foot wide drive aisle that has full movement in both directions as well as the 10 foot striped area along the building.  
Speaker 15    00:59:36    This is for loading and unloading of the at grade units as well as gives a little bit more room for trucks, you know, moving trucks or vehicles to pass each other. As you work your way around the site and back towards the front, there's another security gate. And then, then you can exit the site from this, this driveway. You know, this is schematic landscaping, but obviously we would plant some evergreens along the front and sides of the, the, the improvements to buffer the, you know, supplement and buffer the existing, the existing trees and landscaping to remain. There's some decorative landscaping as you enter the site around the proposed ID sign, the ID sign would be set back to 10 feet as suggested and would obviously be out of any site triangles as suggested. And then we have a little bit of landscaping as you enter the site to pre-up that front office area. It's a, you know, pretty straightforward storage application here. There's nothing, nothing too crazy about it. And you know, as noted before, it's a four thou, a 42,574 square foot footprint, three stories high for a total of 127,722 square feet.  
Speaker 8     01:01:00    Thank you Mr. Sherrow. And just to just confirm, you've had an opportunity to look over all the reports, correct?  
Speaker 15    01:01:05    I, I have, yes.  
Speaker 8     01:01:07    Okay. And you don't see anything in those reports that we can't comply with, correct?  
Speaker 15    01:01:10    Not at all, no. Alright.  
Speaker 8     01:01:13    I have no further direct questions for Mr. Sherrow.  
Speaker 1     01:01:15    Do any members of the board have any questions? Mr. She,  
Speaker 13    01:01:19    I have a question.  
Speaker 1     01:01:20    Please do.  
Speaker 13    01:01:23    Is there any hydrants around that, that building or that short shirt at all and invent a fire?  
Speaker 15    01:01:29    You know what, I will look for that. I know there's a water main that runs through South Washington Avenue, so let me, lemme take a look while you go to the next witness and I will, I can come back. We can double back. Good. Yeah, we can double back. I don't wanna waste time looking and appreciate it. Yeah, no problem. We'll  
Speaker 1     01:01:46    Come back to you Artie.  
Speaker 13    01:01:47    Okay.  
Speaker 1     01:01:47    Alright, Mr. Arch, please go to your next witness.  
Speaker 17    01:01:50    Yeah, no, I have a question.  
Speaker 1     01:01:52    Oh, I'm sorry, Steve.  
Speaker 17    01:01:53    Yeah, e entrance and exit are gonna be only from the now northbound side of traffic or is it gonna be people heading southbound as well? Well, people go to drive across the two lanes and take a, a left turn coming out.  
Speaker 15    01:02:11    They, they can, but yeah, no, it's, it's the, the south, the south, the northbound side of the road.  
Speaker 8     01:02:25    I'll also indicate that that is a, a county roadway. So yeah, on that roadway and those sorts of things are gonna be obviously under the county jurisdiction when we make that, that application to them if we are approved. And you'll also have an opportunity to see that more fully fleshed out during the site plan if we are approved for this. Do  
Speaker 1     01:02:42    You know off the top of your head if that's a double yellow line there? Where would be illegal?  
Speaker 15    01:02:46    It's not right there. That's, that's why we, that's why we placed it down that way. Yeah.  
Speaker 1     01:02:50    Okay. Thanks. Okay. Yes. Thanks. Thanks Steve. Any other members of the board of any questions? Hearing none, move on to your next witness, Mr. Star.  
Speaker 15    01:03:01    Okay, great. Thanks guys.  
Speaker 1     01:03:02    Appreciate it. You'll get back to us, right?  
Speaker 15    01:03:04    Yep. I'm gonna look right now. Thanks  
Speaker 1     01:03:06    Chair.  
Speaker 8     01:03:06    Yeah, Mr. Sheriff, you can just stop sharing your, thank you. There we go. Next witness would be, let's go back to Mr. James Coakley.  
Speaker 1     01:03:15    Mr. Coakley, are you present?  
Speaker 18    01:03:16    Yes.  
Speaker 1     01:03:17    Would you raise your right hand? Do you swear the testimony you're about to give should be the truth?  
Speaker 18    01:03:22    Yes, I do.  
Speaker 1     01:03:23    Your name and address, please?  
Speaker 18    01:03:24    Sure. James Kley on behalf of cz Piscataway, 1 34 West 29th Street. New York. New York one Triple zero one.  
Speaker 1     01:03:33    Thank you  
Speaker 8     01:03:34    Mr. Kley. If you can just briefly tell the board a little bit about yourself, about CZ Piscataway and about why it is that, that this site is so suitable or that Piscataway is so suitable for this use.  
Speaker 18    01:03:46    Sure. Thank you. Good evening Chairman and members of the board as mentioned, James Coley. On behalf of cz Piscataway, we appreciate the opportunity to be here tonight. You know, our firm is a private privately owned developer and operator of self storage facilities. We've been doing such since about two year, 2000. We've been developing class A facilities, you know, throughout the New Jersey metro, New York City area. In that time, we've developed probably an excess of 3 million square feet of similar projects to what we're proposing here tonight in Piscataway. We make long-term investments in the communities where we develop, oh,  
Speaker 1     01:04:31    Sorry about that.  
Speaker 18    01:04:32    No, that's okay. And ultimately, we think that the residents and business owners of Piscataway will be very happy and pleased with what we can bring to the community here. We've performed significant diligence and market analysis, and we're very pleased with what the strong business fundamentals that we've, we've uncovered here in Piscataway. We've taken into account existing storage facilities that are operating now in addition to anything that has been, you know, proposed or under construction. And in our analysis, we still believe that this particular trade area is significantly underserved, especially when compared to other trade areas. And on a national level, we think we're gonna be a very complimentary fit along South Washington Avenue, especially with some of the current development that's going on across the street, the JLL project, you know, and, and for that we think that we're gonna be, you know, it's gonna be a successful operation.  
Speaker 18    01:05:34    You know, the flexibility that storage ads, you know, it really fills the need of both local residents and, and small businesses. You know, we're proposing to develop a class, a modern storage facility. The facility will have a mix of different size storage units that will all be housed within a climate controlled environment. We are not proposing any outside storage at this particular facility. The site will have, you know, modern safety and security features, which will include, you know, site lighting, digital security cameras, computerized access control systems, as well as on-site staff for support purposes. We anticipate that the facility would be staffed by three to four employees seven days a week. Our store, or, you know, office hours typically range between 8:00 AM and 6:00 PM Monday through Saturday. Usually a little shorter day on Sunday. You know, customers, we would expect to have grant access from 6:00 AM to 10:00 PM at night, and that would be done via the controlled access systems. You know, I know we, you know, we have other professionals here that can, you know, continue to provide other insight, but I'm happy to answer any questions that the board may have.  
Speaker 8     01:06:55    Thank you. Mr. Cosla, just real quick to piggyback on your testimony, so just to touch upon the parking, based on your experience with self self storage, and based on what you just indicated with the, the number of employees that you anticipate being there, do you, do you see that the, the amount of parking that we're offering is more than adequate for both customers and for employees at the site?  
Speaker 18    01:07:21    Absolutely. Probably, probably in my experie I double of what we really need, but  
Speaker 8     01:07:25    In excess we're,  
Speaker 18    01:07:26    We're fortunate to have the area that we can provide it, so, so we will.  
Speaker 8     01:07:30    Okay, excellent. And there's not gonna be any boat or RV storage there. You had indicated outdoor storage, but does that include that,  
Speaker 18    01:07:36    That, that's correct.  
Speaker 8     01:07:38    Okay. I have no more further questions of Mr. Copeley. Any members of the board have any questions or comments?  
Speaker 3     01:07:48    I have one question of board members. Go ahead, John. The individual units, are they gonna have any electrical outlet, lights, anything in there, or are they open the door and you give the light from the hallway?  
Speaker 18    01:08:04    Yes. Mr. Chaill? Yeah, typically there won't be any outlets inside. There would be outlets for in the, in some of the hallways for staff, for cleaning purposes, they typically have a key lock over 'em so people can't plug electric cords and things like that in 'em. And then the, the lighting in the hallways would be on a, a sensor system so that they don't stay on all night if, if nobody's there. Obviously some of the larger units will have a convenience light located in it. But again, that would also be tied into the hallway lighting system as well on a sensor. So it's, they're raised up pretty high so people can't get into 'em.  
Speaker 3     01:08:48    Okay. And you have all the other standings, no fuel, no. Any, you know, no guns, not any of that stuff  
Speaker 18    01:08:54    Can go in? No, no e-bikes, no lithium batteries, none of, none of those good things. Absolutely.  
Speaker 3     01:09:00    Okay.  
Speaker 1     01:09:01    What would the hours of operation be?  
Speaker 18    01:09:04    So, so again, the office hours for staff customers would be 8:00 AM to 6:00 PM Monday through Saturday and then yeah, again, maybe, maybe the same or a little shorter on Sunday. And then access hours for clients would be 6:00 AM to 10:00 PM seven days.  
Speaker 1     01:09:19    Okay. Thank you. Sure. Any other members of the board have any questions?  
Speaker 13    01:09:23    Yeah, just one. Is the building gonna be sprinkled in any way, shape or form?  
Speaker 18    01:09:29    Absolutely. It'll be fully sprinkled.  
Speaker 13    01:09:31    Okay.  
Speaker 1     01:09:32    Thanks Hardy. Any anyone else? Okay, Ms, do you can move on.  
Speaker 8     01:09:37    Thank you. Our final witness tonight is Ms. Allison Coffin, our professional planner.  
Speaker 1     01:09:43    Ms. Coffin, could you raise your right hand? You swear the testimony you're truth.  
Speaker 19    01:09:48    Yes, I do.  
Speaker 1     01:09:49    Your name and address please?  
Speaker 19    01:09:51    Allison Coffin, spelled C-O-F-F-I-N. I work for James w Hagens Associates. We're at 14 Tilton Drive in Ocean Township, New Jersey.  
Speaker 1     01:10:00    I believe Ms. Coffin has been accepted as a professional planner before this board on prior cases? I believe so.  
Speaker 19    01:10:06    My license and certification are still in good standing.  
Speaker 1     01:10:08    That's good news.  
Speaker 8     01:10:11    Mr. If you can, the floor is yours. Please give us the benefit of your expert analysis.  
Speaker 19    01:10:16    Sure. The property that we're looking at tonight is a 3.7 acre irregularly shaped lot. It's got 455 feet of frontage on South Washington Avenue, which is a four-lane road. The lot contains two detached structures, which tax records indicate were both dwellings. The surrounding area is not developed residential residentially, the lot to the north is a large scale retail center across Dotes Brook. The area to the west across South Washington is developed with a large industrial park. There appears to be a tree recycling operation of some sort south of the site also on South Washington. And surrounding the site itself on three sides is county open space with municipally owned lands further to the south. The applicant is requesting the board's permission to develop the site with a three story self storage use that's supported by 17 parking spaces, landscaping, lighting, fencing, and a freestanding sign.  
Speaker 19    01:11:11    Although the site is in the R 20 residential zone where this use is not permitted, so the applicant is requesting D one variance relief. There's some other bulk variances that will be associated with this application. A height where 35 feet is the limit and the building is 38.33 a building coverage where 20% is permitted and they're requesting 26 and change parking, which again looks significant on paper at 256 spaces. And they're proposing 17 parking and driveways accessing a commercial use in a residential zone fence, height, and freestanding sign. Again, commercial uses in a residential zone. It's my opinion that special reasons exist for the granting of the use variance and that the site is particularly suited to the proposed use and there's no significant detriment to the zone planning or the surrounding properties that would result from this variance. This subject site is exceptionally large for the zone, having an area that's like 12 times the minimum required for the zone, it's extremely deep.  
Speaker 19    01:12:19    It is the only property in the R 20 zone that is north of the traffic light on South Washington that that traffic light that serves the industrial park across the street. A location which distinguishes the site from the remainder of the R 20 zone, and it is not currently served by public sewer. The proposed self-storage use is ideal for the site, which is located in an area of transition from high intensity residential use and industrial use, I'm sorry, high intensity retail and industrial use to the county open space and the municipally owned parcels to the south. The use itself is quiet and has low traffic volumes. The shape and depth of the site allows for the building to be placed at an angle to the frontage, which combined with landscaping and fencing, will soften the appearance of the structure from the roadway and the indoor nature of site activity limits impacts in terms of noise and any potential impact on Dottie's brook. Therefore, the proposed self-storage use on this site makes an effective and appropriate use of what is a unique property. And in so doing this variance advances the purposes of the municipal land use law with regard to providing space in an appropriate location for this type of commercial use. Now, this is a bifurcated application, but if the board would like to have some comfort with the bulk variance relief that's being requested, I can address that in broad strokes. If, if that would be appropriate at this time.  
Speaker 1     01:13:46    The more we get on the record, the better. I think  
Speaker 19    01:13:48    You got it then. So some of these variances, the bulk variances being requested are direct directly related to the application of residential zoning standards to what is a non-residential use. So those would be subsumed within the use variance requested, and that's the height. The ordinance height limit of 35 feet is intended to control single family residential use in the zones where self storage is permitted. The LI one and the LI five zones, the height allowed is 40 to 50 feet, which indicates that the height proposed is appropriate for this use. The building coverage also as with height, the building coverage is intended to control residential use and the coverage that's proposed is appropriate for this use the parking in a residential zone, if the board sees fit to grant, the use variance, then the parking associated for this use and the, the access for this use would also have to be located in the same site and same with the freestanding sign. Signage that's proposed is appropriate and it's required for the use to function.  
Speaker 19    01:14:48    The biggest variance that the applicant is requesting is for the parking, but the parking that's proposed is appropriately scaled to the use the it's fifth edition parking generation manual would indicate a demand for a self-storage facility of this size of 13 spaces. As is, you know, stated in your board's traffic expert review letter. So the 17 parking spaces that the applicant's proposed is more than adequate and can be granted in a manner that would not have an imposition on the public. In fact, I think over parking it at 256 spaces. While this operator has said that they have no interest in outdoor storage of vehicles as part of their business model, having too much parking on a self-storage facility does create that sort of temptation. So we're, we're far better having the 17 parking spaces than more than 200. If 17 is is enough to operate the facility, there's also a six foot high fence in the front yard, and that's for security purposes.  
Speaker 19    01:15:49    The applicant is proposing to screen that fence fully with seven to eight foot cedars at least on this concept plan. And that may become more extensive landscaping at the time of site plan. So this fence will not be viewed publicly. These variances can be granted also under the C two standard. They allow the site to be developed in a manner which advances the purposes of the municipal land use law, providing adequate light air and open space, and providing sufficient space for a commercial use in an appropriate location. And the benefits of these variances would outweigh the detriments. The benefits include permitting the applicant to properly develop the site and there would be no significant detriment that results from the bulk variances. The variances, in my opinion, would not substantially impair the intent and purpose of your master plan and zoning ordinance. A site itself present contains non-conforming uses, or was in the past developed with two residences on one lot. And the site is unique and distinct from the remainder of the nearby R 20 zone. The proposed use in this case is uniquely suited to this unique property.  
Speaker 1     01:16:52    Okay, thank you. Members of the, I'm sorry, Tim, go ahead. Oh, I'm gonna ask if anyone, members, any members of the board have any questions or comments? We good, John? Yes. Okay. Hearing none, I guess you can make your summation, Mr. Arch,  
Speaker 8     01:17:12    If I can just, I'll just double back. We did get confirmation from Mr. Shower. There is a, a fire hydrant on the property or on the, I guess on the, along the roadway. And obviously any sort of issues with fire will be addressed at the site plan. I don't know if Mr. Sherrow, if we need any more information for Mr. Sherrow to answer that. I forget which member of the board asked that question about the hydrogen. It  
Speaker 1     01:17:37    Was already hika. Could you put that picture up and and tell us where the fire hydrant is on the, on the property shorthand?  
Speaker 15    01:17:45    It's not on, it's not on the property? Yes. Can you ever see my screen?  
Speaker 1     01:17:49    Yes. Yes.  
Speaker 15    01:17:50    So it's not on the property. This is the right in entrance to the industrial Okay. Facility across the street. There is a fire hydrant right here across the street.  
Speaker 1     01:18:02    So it's on the opposite side of the south wash.  
Speaker 15    01:18:05    It's on the opposite side of South Washington, directly across from the facility.  
Speaker 1     01:18:09    Audrey does that, does that answer your question, sir?  
Speaker 13    01:18:12    Yeah, I would prefer that if they put one on that property in the event of a fire, you're gonna shut down all of Washington Avenue, create a major traffic problem.  
Speaker 8     01:18:27    Yeah, as I said at at, at, at site plan, I think this will be more thoroughly looked into, especially by, you know, fire safety and all that, all that sort of stuff. That's certainly something that I think will be addressed during site plan.  
Speaker 1     01:18:39    Okay.  
Speaker 3     01:18:40    Your client indicated that this building would be fully sprinkled?  
Speaker 8     01:18:47    Correct.  
Speaker 3     01:18:48    So there's gonna have to be, you know, public water brought onto the site for sure.  
Speaker 15    01:18:54    Yeah. They'll, there'll be domestic water and, and a fire service.  
Speaker 1     01:19:02    Okay. We can address that down the road. Any other members of the board of any questions, comments? It's all to you. Tim summations.  
Speaker 8     01:19:13    I, I don't think there's really much need to, to I  
Speaker 1     01:19:16    Totally agree. You're, and we're totally in agreement with Henry Stein's side impact, correct? We said that  
Speaker 8     01:19:21    Yes.  
Speaker 1     01:19:22    We're gonna agree with all the reports. Got it. Okay.  
Speaker 8     01:19:24    Agree to all the reports and, and move the sign. That was the, the,  
Speaker 1     01:19:27    Let's keep it short and sweet. I'm gonna open it to the public. Anyone in the public have any questions or comments about this application?  
Speaker 0     01:19:36    No. One Chairman  
Speaker 1     01:19:37    Okay. Close the public portion and I would make a motion to approve this application. Can I get a second?  
Speaker 13    01:19:42    I'll second it.  
Speaker 1     01:19:43    Okay. Call the roll.  
Speaker 0     01:19:46    Mr. Weisman? Yes. Mr. Tillery? Yes. Mr. Patel?  
Speaker 15    01:19:51    Yes.  
Speaker 0     01:19:52    Yes. Mr. Regio?  
Speaker 1     01:19:53    Yes.  
Speaker 0     01:19:54    Yes. Mr. Bla?  
Speaker 3     01:19:56    Yes. Yes.  
Speaker 0     01:19:57    Mr. Hidaka?  
Speaker 13    01:19:58    Yes.  
Speaker 0     01:19:58    Yes. Mr. Mitterando?  
Speaker 15    01:20:00    Yes.  
Speaker 0     01:20:01    Yes. And Chairman. Caho?  
Speaker 1     01:20:03    Yes. We will move.  
Speaker 20    01:20:06    I'm sorry. Who, who seconded the motion  
Speaker 0     01:20:09    Already? Hi, daca.  
Speaker 20    01:20:11    Thank you.  
Speaker 1     01:20:15    Got Jim. We'll memorialize it in January.  
Speaker 8     01:20:19    Thank you so much everybody. Everybody have a, a wonderful, great holiday and a happy New Year, and thank you for being so efficient tonight too.  
Speaker 1     01:20:27    Thank you.  
Speaker 3     01:20:31    Do we put thank the resolution that the board retains jurisdiction on the site plan?  
Speaker 1     01:20:37    Well, the board does. Okay. You have to come back here for the site plan. That's jurisdiction.  
Speaker 3     01:20:42    Good. Yeah. Policy wise, I don't know whether the resolution at this time, I'm concerned that DEP may act different than your expert believes. And I think there should be a restriction of filing the site plan. Assume you have approval that you have DEP at least tentative approval of all of the permits that you need before you go forward.  
Speaker 8     01:21:27    Mr. Coakley, is that something that you would agree to or, or  
Speaker 3     01:21:30    You're gonna have to get 'em?  
Speaker 8     01:21:32    Well, I, I understand you correct. I, I'm just, I just for timing purposes, I wouldn't want to be prevented from per proceeding at our risk with site plan on a Township level if we are still held up with DEP. So perhaps just confirmation that there is no hundred 50,  
Speaker 3     01:21:49    What timing you can't get by DEP. What, what are you talking about? Timing. What, what does that,  
Speaker 8     01:21:57    I'm saying because going in front of the Township with a, with a site plan, obviously, obviously the goal would be to submit those both simultaneously in front of the Township while we're pur pursuing our DEP approvals as well. So I wouldn't want one to necessarily hold up the other. And again, it would be at our risk to proceed forward. I, I, you've  
Speaker 3     01:22:14    Heard my rec you've heard my recommendation. Your board's heard your comments as well.  
Speaker 1     01:22:19    Okay. Thank you. I'll be in touch with you for some line agenda. Thank you, Ms. Starge.  
Speaker 8     01:22:28    Thank you.  
Speaker 1     01:22:29    Have a great night. Let's move on to item number 20, adoption of resolutions from the regular meeting of November 9th, 2023. First resolution, Marza Colette Big, which you voted to approve. Mr. Weisman,  
Speaker 0     01:22:43    You went out. Jim,  
Speaker 1     01:22:46    Mr. Weisman? Yes. Mr. Patel. Mr. Mitterando? Yes. Yes. Mr. Chairman Cahill. Yes. Next one is Gare Nye, which you voted to approve. Mr. Weisman? Yes. Patel? Yes. Yes. Chairman. Cahill. Yes. Those are all the resolutions I have this evening. Item number 21 is adoption of minutes from the regular meeting of November 9th, 2023. All in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Item number 22 is a German. All in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. Always the pleasure. Ladies and gentlemen, I thought we'd be here a little bit longer, but you got a great Chairman. Yay. Alright. Happy and healthy New Year everyone. Happy holidays.