Transcript for Piscataway Planning meeting on September 13 2023

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Speaker 1     00:00:05    My apologies. Madam chair, one more moment.  
Speaker 0     00:00:07    No problem.  
Speaker 1     00:00:10    Okay, they're ready. Thank you. Sorry guys.  
Speaker 0     00:00:12    No problem. The Piscataway Township Planning Board meeting will please come to order. Adequate notice of this meeting was provided in the following ways. Notice published in the Coer News notice posted on the bulletin board of the municipal building notice made available to the Township clerk notice sent to the Courier News and the star ledger. Ms. Buckley, would you please call the role  
Speaker 1     00:00:38    Mayor Wahler? Present  
Speaker 2     00:00:41    Ms.  
Speaker 1     00:00:42    Corcoran?  
Speaker 3     00:00:43    Here. Here.  
Speaker 1     00:00:45    Ms. Saunders?  
Speaker 2     00:00:46    Here.  
Speaker 3     00:00:47    Here.  
Speaker 1     00:00:48    Reverend Kinneally?  
Speaker 3     00:00:49    Here.  
Speaker 1     00:00:50    Mr. Atkins?  
Speaker 4     00:00:52    Here.  
Speaker 3     00:00:53    Here.  
Speaker 1     00:00:54    Mr. Foster?  
Speaker 3     00:00:56    Here.  
Speaker 1     00:00:57    Mr. Hammed and Madam chair here.  
Speaker 0     00:01:02    You. I. I. The flag is over my right shoulder. Can we all cross our hearts and recite the Pledge of Allegiance? I Pledge of Allegiance. Allegiance. To the  
Speaker 3     00:01:17    Flag. To the flag.  
Speaker 0     00:01:19    Of the United States. Of  
Speaker 3     00:01:21    States of America.  
Speaker 0     00:01:23    And to the republic. To the  
Speaker 3     00:01:24    Republic. To the Republic.  
Speaker 0     00:01:25    For which it stands There. Which  
Speaker 3     00:01:27    It stands. Which stands?  
Speaker 0     00:01:28    One Nation. One Nation.  
Speaker 3     00:01:29    Nation.  
Speaker 0     00:01:30    Under God. Under God. Indivisible.  
Speaker 3     00:01:34    Indivisible.  
Speaker 0     00:01:35    Liberty. Liberty.  
Speaker 3     00:01:36    Justice. For all. For all.  
Speaker 0     00:01:40    Can we have the professional sworn in please?  
Speaker 2     00:01:43    Yes. Can you please raise your right hand? Do you swear that the testimony you're about to give will the truth and nothing but the truth? I do. Thank you.  
Speaker 0     00:01:55    Mr. Barlow. Would you advise us of any, any changes in the agenda tonight? Yes.  
Speaker 4     00:02:00    Madam chair 23 PB 15 slash 16, which is 30 Duke Road, also known as Block 4 2 0 2. Lot seven has been carried and postponed until the October 11th, 2023 meeting. The applicant has to notice,  
Speaker 0     00:02:20    Okay,  
Speaker 4     00:02:21    The 10 Marion Court trust matter 23 PB 13 slash 14 V block 1, 2, 2 0 1, lots five and 6.03 also is postponed and carried until the October 11th, 2023, meaning the applicant will notice. So in terms of public hearings, we have the Rockefeller Group, which is 10 Vin D Drive. And then we have six items for discussion thereafter, starting with Mr. Morris's application for an extension to perfect the subdivision. And then there's some other items for discussion. Madam chair.  
Speaker 0     00:03:04    Okay. I believe that there, I'd like to have a motion to pay the duly audited bills from the board.  
Speaker 5     00:03:15    Madam chair. Madam chair.  
Speaker 0     00:03:18    Excuse me.  
Speaker 4     00:03:20    Dawn was the first that Mr. Kinneally se Reverend Kinneally seconded.  
Speaker 0     00:03:24    Okay. Thank you. Real quick, correct. Thank you. I must be  
Speaker 1     00:03:28    Mayor Wahler must be  
Speaker 6     00:03:29    Yes.  
Speaker 1     00:03:30    Yes. Ms. Corcoran.  
Speaker 5     00:03:32    Yes.  
Speaker 1     00:03:33    Yes. Ms. Saunders?  
Speaker 2     00:03:34    Yes. Yes.  
Speaker 1     00:03:36    Reverend Kinneally. Yes. Mr. Atkins?  
Speaker 0     00:03:39    Yes.  
Speaker 1     00:03:40    Yes. Mr. Foster? Yes. And Madam Madam. Madam chair?  
Speaker 0     00:03:46    Yes. Adoption item number eight, adoption of resolution to memorialize action. Taken on August the ninth. Ms. Saunders, please.  
Speaker 2     00:03:57    It is non aluko. There's not  
Speaker 4     00:04:01    Chair.  
Speaker 2     00:04:01    Yes.  
Speaker 1     00:04:02    Yeah, there are no minutes.  
Speaker 0     00:04:04    Okay. That was a resolution.  
Speaker 2     00:04:06    Yeah, it's, there's none.  
Speaker 0     00:04:09    There's no min minutes either.  
Speaker 2     00:04:11    Number nine is adopt. I like to adopt the minutes from the regular meeting on August 9th, 2023.  
Speaker 0     00:04:20    I have a second.  
Speaker 5     00:04:23    I'll second that one.  
Speaker 0     00:04:25    Call please.  
Speaker 1     00:04:28    Mayor? Wahler?  
Speaker 6     00:04:29    Yes. Yes.  
Speaker 1     00:04:30    Ms. Corcoran?  
Speaker 5     00:04:31    Yes.  
Speaker 1     00:04:32    Yes. Ms. Saunders? Yes.  
Speaker 0     00:04:34    Yes.  
Speaker 1     00:04:35    Reverend Kinneally? Yes. Mr. Atkins?  
Speaker 0     00:04:38    Yes.  
Speaker 1     00:04:39    Yes. Mr. Foster? Yes. And Madam chair?  
Speaker 0     00:04:43    Yes. Should we do the discussion items at this time?  
Speaker 4     00:04:50    No. We're gonna save them for after the Rockefeller Group Madam chair.  
Speaker 0     00:04:54    Okay. Item 10, which on my agenda is 10, which is 23 PB 18 Rockefeller Group Development Corporation. Preliminary and final site plan. Mr. Ro?  
Speaker 6     00:05:12    Yes. Good evening Madam chair, members of the board. My name's Anthony Ro. I'm an attorney with the law firm of Fagre Drinker Fiddle and wreath, Princeton, New Jersey. And we represent the applicant, Rockefeller Group Development Corporation. And we are here tonight seeking preliminary and final major site plan approval. And to be clear, there's no variances or waivers sought connection with this application. And so the property that's subject to this application is identified as block 37 0 2, lot 1.02 on the township's tax map, otherwise known as 10 Normandy Drive. It's a slightly larger track than 35 total acres and it's situated west of the intersection of Normandy Drive and Hancock Road. And so, just by way of brief background, the property was the former site A of a Union Carbide corporation processing facility. Property's currently vacant with some dilapidated structures remaining. So as the board may recall, the property was designated as an area in need of redevelopment in December of 22.  
Speaker 6     00:06:19    And a redevelopment plan was subsequently prepared to outline Piscataway intentions for planning development, revitalization of the site. And so that redevelopment plan was actually adopted by ordinance this past June. And so, and it supersedes the light industrial l i five zoning that was previously applicable to the property. And so through this application, we're proposing the construction of a 2, 2 41, let's see here, 241,200 square foot warehouse and accessory improvements. And so warehousing is a permitted principle use on the property. And the project was carefully designed to reflect that redevelopment plan that was just implemented. So stated differently. This is a fully compliant site plan, does not deviate from the standards and requirements of the redevelopment plan. And so with that said, our intentions first to begin our presentation with the applicant's representative to provide a really just first established standing for this application. And then to provide an overview of the applicant's experience as a redeveloper in New Jersey.  
Speaker 6     00:07:29    And we're gonna turn to our engineering team to provide an overview of our site plan and site circulation. Not gonna pro, we have our traffic engineer here. He is just gonna be discussing site circulation and answering any related questions. Since warehousing is a permit use, we don't want to necessarily get into the traffic impacts unnecessary here, unless the board has any other questions. And then lastly, we'll turn to our architect to discuss the actual site features, colors, materials that are gonna be used for the exterior, those types of items. And so before I turn it over to our first witness, just do I guess a quick housekeeping items. We have several review reports. And so after our most recent plans were filed, we have the September 8th planning review, memo number two, September 7th, 2023, revised fire approval, and the September 2nd, 2023 revised staff memorandum. And apart from the items that were already addressed in our submissions, our intentions to comply with all of the comments put in those reports.  
Speaker 6     00:08:46    And then the last item, we just want to know that in connection with our engineering exhibits, we wanna also show that the applicant's dedicated to being a great neighbor, addition to being a great redeveloper in the state. And by that there's, we identified one property that's on the corner of Normandy Drive and Hancock Road. And what we wanna do is provide that property owner with some additional buffering and screening to the extent that we can, while we don't have to do it, we, we want to provide any type of buffering that we, that we can for, for residential use. And so with that said, I'd like to turn it over to our first witness. I just wanna see if he's here. Mr. Abramson of Rockefeller.  
Speaker 7     00:09:41    Hi, can everybody hear me okay?  
Speaker 2     00:09:44    Yes. Hello. Can you please raise your right hand Mr. Abramson? Do you swear that the testimony you're about to give be the truth and nothing but the truth?  
Speaker 7     00:09:53    Yes.  
Speaker 2     00:09:54    Thank you.  
Speaker 7     00:09:55    Thank you. So, hi, my name's Heath Abramson. Spelling is h e a t h, last name Abramson, A B R A M S O H N. I'm the Vice president and regional director for the Rockefeller Group. The Rockefeller Group is a national developer with headquarters in New York City and our local office is in Morristown, New Jersey. Our history goes back to the development of Rockefeller Center with, in conjunction with the Rockefeller family. Although the family is no longer our owner, we have continued to grow as a development company nationally as well as within the state. We've been actively developing within New Jersey for the last 45 years and more locally within Piscataway. During approximately 2017 to 2019, we developed the neighboring property, five buildings, 2.1 million square feet. That was the former Union Carbide Dow Chemical site. And the 10 Normandy site, which is what we're talking about tonight, is right next door.  
Speaker 7     00:10:57    In addition to that, we are under a construction for an approximate 150,000 square foot building, 10 constitution within Piscataway. And then just more specific to this site, this project is a Brownfield redevelopment. It sat vacant for many years, starting I believe with Union Carbide Dow Chemical A, actually, I think it was Union Carbide before Dow Chemical acquired them. Then it was Georgia Gulf, Georgia Pacific Axial, and now Westlake. We're seeking approvals to develop an approximate 241,000 square foot warehouse distribution facility, which we plan to construct on a speculative basis with the potential for a 24 7 operations. We do not know who the ultimate occupier the space will be, but we have designed the building to attract a broad range of ultimate users for this space. Given the history of the site, it is a brownfield redevelopment. We ultimately will be following all working with ownership and D E p and we'll ultimately have an RA on the site at the end, which we could address at a later point. But that's high level background on Rockefeller as well as the site. If there's anything else that I missed, please let me know, Anthony, otherwise we can move forward.  
Speaker 6     00:12:16    That's it. Thank you.  
Speaker 7     00:12:18    Okay, thank  
Speaker 6     00:12:18    You. Move to the board if, unless there's any questions, we'll just have first  
Speaker 0     00:12:23    Members of the board. Do we have any questions of this witness hearing? No questions. I'd like to open it to the public. Ms. Buckley, would you check and see if there are any requests to be heard? Request to be heard?  
Speaker 1     00:12:39    Y y you would have to ask Madam chair. And are we gonna open it to public after each witness or are we gonna wait until after testimony? 'cause we have about 12 people on  
Speaker 4     00:12:49    Madam chair. I think it makes sense to let the applicant put his whole case on. And then if anyone has any questions that way, some later expert may answer a question someone might have right now.  
Speaker 0     00:13:00    That's fine.  
Speaker 6     00:13:01    That makes sense to us as well. We think that it would probably be dur deferring to the next professional anyway.  
Speaker 0     00:13:08    Thank you. You may call your next witness then.  
Speaker 6     00:13:11    Thank you. I'd like to call Franz Lakey of Sesi Engineering. Have him sworn in.  
Speaker 2     00:13:19    Okay. Can you please raise your right hand? Do you swear that the testimony, you're about to give you the truth and nothing but the truth?  
Speaker 8     00:13:27    I do. Can  
Speaker 2     00:13:28    You please state and spell your name for the record?  
Speaker 8     00:13:30    Name is Franz Lackey. F R A N Z L A K I.  
Speaker 2     00:13:35    Thank you.  
Speaker 6     00:13:37    Thank you. And could you just provide your, some of your credentials and qualifications for the board?  
Speaker 8     00:13:45    Yes. I am a principal at S E S I consulting engineers, located in Parsippany, New Jersey. I am a professional engineer licensed in the states of New Jersey, New York, and Pennsylvania. I have appeared before multiple planning boards, zoning boards throughout the state over the past several years. I have roughly 12 years of experience in this field.  
Speaker 6     00:14:16    This Hamm as an expert. Unless there's any objection,  
Speaker 0     00:14:19    There's no objection to his credentials.  
Speaker 6     00:14:22    Thank you. We're you brought on to prepare a site plan in connection with this application?  
Speaker 8     00:14:32    Yes, I was.  
Speaker 6     00:14:33    And would you be able to explain to the board what that site plan actually looks like and what some of the engineering features look like?  
Speaker 8     00:14:41    Yes, I certainly will. I am going to share my screen with a exhibit rendering that was prepared by my office.  
Speaker 4     00:14:50    Mr. RA will mark the exhibits A one and then just keep going. Okay.  
Speaker 6     00:14:56    Absolutely. And can you just explain to the board what they're looking at?  
Speaker 8     00:15:07    Yes. So this here is a colorized rendering of our site plan of the 10 Normandy site. So the our, the proposed property is located at 10 Normandy Drive. It is block 3 7 0 2 lot 1.02 in the Township of Piscataway. It is located directly off of Normandy Drive between Lakeland and Hancock Road. It's currently a vacant site. We're proposing to redevelopment per redevelop it per the 10 Normandy drive redevelopment plan. We are proposing a 241,200 square foot warehouse with loading trailer storage and parking associated with that building. This building has a two interior offices for a total of 14,500 square feet. There are 39 trailer dock doors, two ramps 60 trailer storage spaces. There is approximately 162 parking spaces located to, to the east and the south of the building of those parking spaces, there are seven electric vehicle make ready spaces as well as seven a d a spaces. One of those a d a spaces is also an electric vehicle space.  
Speaker 8     00:16:47    There is a loop road that comes off of Normandy, runs through the trailer truck court and around the back of the building and loops back to Normandy Drive. This serves as emergency access as well as circulation for the cars and trucks on site. The drive the driveway to the west, the western most driveway coming directly off of the truck court will have a right turn in a left turn out and that will serve for the, the trucks and trailers on the others. The other eastern side driveway will be a right turn out and a left out only. There will be no trucks permitted to turn right out of that driveway. We are proposing in the way of stormwater, we're proposing two large bioretention basins, which will treat the stormwater runoff, detain it, and reduce the peak flows off the site.  
Speaker 6     00:18:13    And then in terms of the basins are, I just wanted to stop you there. I just wanna make a point real quick. We will be installing both guardrails and fencing. A top of those, those basins correct.  
Speaker 8     00:18:27    There is the required fencing at the top of the basins. We are proposing, we have several, or there's a few retaining walls scattered throughout the site. Those will have guardrails as well as four foot tall fence on them. As in addition, the fence will be an more ornamental aluminum type fence and not a chain link fence for the retaining walls. The fence around the bioretention basin is proposed to be a wooden split rail fence.  
Speaker 8     00:19:09    So we are proposing adequate lighting throughout the site. Dark sky compliant, no light spillage at the property lines, which would impact any of the neighbors. We're proposing landscape screening throughout the site. Special bio retention plantings in the bio retention areas, some shade trees lining the streets, the the roadways here, some more shade trees and lower brush shrubs to help to screen the building slightly from the neighboring properties. I will note that the Township professionals have made a few comments on the landscaping. We plan on adhering to all of those comments and satisfying them. There's also a request, a requirement for a tree replacement all tree survey and a tree replacement plan. We will meet the ordinance and replace all the trees as required.  
Speaker 8     00:20:29    So the, as part of our site, we recognize that there is a single family home right in the corner of our site that shares a property line on in that area. There is a retaining wall that ranges, it's about four feet off the property line. It varies from starts at about a foot and a half tall, goes about eight feet tall. That is a proposed to have a fence on top for the length of the property line and little bit beyond it, we propose to attach a turf like privacy screen to the fence to help to screen more of the traffic and the building from that neighbor. There are, the majority of this existing condition in the middle of the site is old building pads, broken up pavement, that sort of thing. We have substantial forested areas that are remaining as we're showing in this rendering. And majority of this panhandle in the in the back is all remaining the same where we are not touching any of the forested property on that end.  
Speaker 6     00:22:01    Great. And so I just wanna make clear that the areas on exhibit A one that are within the property boundaries that aren't shaded, those areas will remain forested and we're not proposing any tree removal in those areas, is that correct?  
Speaker 8     00:22:18    Correct.  
Speaker 6     00:22:19    Okay. And and so that is all screening and buffering that we will be able to utilize because it will stay on site?  
Speaker 8     00:22:25    Correct.  
Speaker 6     00:22:26    Great. And you mentioned something about a fence along the retaining wall Chaill adjacent to the one property owner property addresses to Hancock. Do you have an illustration of what that fencing would look like to help buffer any potential visual impact?  
Speaker 8     00:22:47    Yes. Let me pull up that exhibit here. Okay. All right. I'm going to share this exhibit, which will be exhibit A two I believe.  
Speaker 8     00:23:10    So this is, this here is an enlargement of lot two and where the, the shared property line with our proposed site. So this here is the property line we have highlighted in with a red line, the area in which we propose to attach a turf like screening to the fence on the retaining wall, along with some sample pictures on the right hand side here of something that it may, may resemble. In addition to tho that screening on the other side of this roadway, we do have some lower, lower bushes, evergreen type bushes along with some larger deciduous trees. And we will also be mixing in a little bit more of some taller evergreens as well.  
Speaker 6     00:24:15    I just wanna make it clear that this proposed fencing, this is not a requirement of the redevelopment plan, is that correct?  
Speaker 8     00:24:27    Correct.  
Speaker 6     00:24:28    It's a requirement, it's neither nor a requirement of the township's ordinances, is that correct?  
Speaker 8     00:24:34    Correct.  
Speaker 6     00:24:35    Alright, thanks. I just wanna make sure that I understand that one. I didn't mean to interrupt your flow. Please proceed.  
Speaker 8     00:25:00    Let's see, let me, I guess pull back to the site rendering here. Our main entrances, there's two proposed office locations on the north end and the south end. Our parking lots are directed around those office locations. And we have two in order to facil facilitate a one or two tenant warehouse. Should this be subdivided? The preference is for a one tenant, but we have the second office location for that flexibility. There are fire exit doors surrounding a site per code and I believe that that covers everything I wanted to say at this time.  
Speaker 6     00:25:55    Thank you. Now we will just leave it with this. I know that it, we already acknowledged the fact that we were going to comply with all of the comments and contained in the professional reports and resolve any issues with the Township staff and professionals. But there, I, I know in, in some applications there's one item that still comes up sometimes. So I just wanna make sure that it's clear that there's an emergency repeater system that we're going to be installing. Is that correct?  
Speaker 8     00:26:22    Yes.  
Speaker 6     00:26:24    Okay, great. It's figure sometimes I, I like to call that one out. So once the, the board has any questions we'll put on our next witness.  
Speaker 0     00:26:39    Thank you. Kristen, you may proceed.  
Speaker 6     00:26:43    Thank you. I will call Lee Klein KLE engineering.  
Speaker 10    00:26:49    Can I, can I just before we go onto here, because I have a couple items that can be addressed really quick. Sure. On the E V SS E is, are you, you said make ready, I I just always put this comment in, are you gonna make any live right now? Because prior to the E V S C state ordinance, the, the Township had a ordinance that required E V S C installation. You know, I'll defer to the board if they wish to see any live, but right now they're saying they're gonna just make great make ready and they're not making them live. But I'll defer to the board if you don't, if you're fine with make ready, then they're gonna make make ready. But there's not gonna be any live EV stations installed with the current proposal.  
Speaker 11    00:27:43    Well they, it's as far as I'm concerned, Madam chair, they would have to make 'em live. That's the,  
Speaker 10    00:27:50    That means seven ordinance Mayor, that means seven live, that should be a conditional approval.  
Speaker 11    00:27:54    Correct. That's the reason why we had Aithal ordinance put in effect.  
Speaker 12    00:27:58    I agree with Ron and the Mayor. Otherwise we really have no timeframe when these have to go live. So I'd like to see it done now as well.  
Speaker 10    00:28:06    Okay. So that clarifies item five in my letter. Item seven is just a minor thing with just putting the, the, the, the loading space requirements. And I think the rest of these, I just, I I'm just trying to clean it up more for a resolution compliance later on item nine had to deal with the fencing and if, if Dawn's happy with it, I'm good. I, because most of these are partially satisfied, I just wanna clean it up. Item 13 was the height. I mean, you said the response was, we'll make it a condition of approval. What's the, what's the height gonna be if there was a discrepancy between the architectural plans and, and the, and the site plans. So are we, you know, I just want to, I just want it to be consistent. It was 47.1 with the zoning table and 49 within the elevation drawings on the architecturals.  
Speaker 13    00:29:11    I, I could get to that in the testimony or I  
Speaker 10    00:29:13    Could Okay, that's fine. You know, th these are minor things I just wanna, and signage details. I mean if, if, if, if, if, if the township's happy with that, that they will give the details later, I'm good with it. And number 18 was the major one. 'cause I, I read the review letter from miss from, from the Township about the landscaping and they just felt it was deficient. So I'm just gonna leave that as an open item. If, if the, if, if, if the Township and the board wishes to incorporate our, our comments in here because they said we'll make it a condition of approval, but they didn't address anything on our letter about the different specific recommendations we had. So that, with that, I probably won't speak again tonight. I can't promise that, but I, I'm, I'm, I'm fine with listening for the rest of the evening.  
Speaker 6     00:30:14    Well, the intention obviously is to comply with what's in the redevelopment plan in the ordinance. So that's what we're intending to do.  
Speaker 10    00:30:20    Okay. And, and, but because I mean, again, I think myself and the township's on the same page where they said they just felt the landscaping plan, I, if I remember the quote today was woefully in insufficient. So we gave suggestions and I will defer to the Township and, and the board to, you know, address the landscaping plan.  
Speaker 4     00:30:43    Ron, when it comes to landscaping, what we would always do as a condition of approval is they have to work with Mr. Hinterstein to his satisfaction. So  
Speaker 10    00:30:51    Sounds good to me. It it, it  
Speaker 4     00:30:53    Will not be inadequate when, when Mr. Hinterstein is done with it. I can guarantee you that. Well,  
Speaker 10    00:30:58    And, and I'm sure that, which is why I always say we put our AS recommendations and ultimately defer to him. Thank you. Yep.  
Speaker 4     00:31:05    Okay.  
Speaker 6     00:31:06    Right. And I just wanna go back to the initial comment regarding the make ready spaces. I mean, we are providing the make ready spaces, that's what's required by statute. So I want to be clear, I mean to provide them all alive now, I mean electrical output that we can't commit to.  
Speaker 4     00:31:30    Well the, the state statute unfortunately that came down supersedes the municipal ordinance and that's directly in the state statute. So if they comply with the state statute, I think that is the best that we're going to get with regards to the ev.  
Speaker 10    00:31:51    So Mi mi, Mr. Barlow, I also would, you know, just say what it's why I always put it in my letter. The state statute also says you can encourage more in, you know, installation above and beyond what is required. So the board certainly could encourage them to put seven live stations instead of seven e make ready. That again, that's, I'll defer to the board on that.  
Speaker 11    00:32:25    I think Madam chair, we'll, we'll c we'll circle back to this one. We'll let the applicant move along with the application, but more importantly, I'm more concerned the fencing next to the neighbor. I'm assuming it's one thing to put it up and have that different scheme, but it's maintaining it that counts. I just wanna make sure it was part of board of approval that the applicant has to continually maintain.  
Speaker 6     00:32:48    It's absolutely that we can comply with.  
Speaker 4     00:32:53    And if I, if I can Madam chair just real quick, e evidently some residents are, are raising their hand to speak and I just wanted to assure anyone who's on the hearing after the applicant puts all of their testimony on the record and the board asks any questions, there'll be an opportunity for anybody from the public to ask any questions. So if you can just hold any questions until after the applicant finishes.  
Speaker 0     00:33:23    Okay. Then  
Speaker 12    00:33:24    Madam chair, if I may just one thing, I apologize. Dawn Corcoran, Mr. Todaro, I, on the revised plans we see that there's sidewalks along where we drive along Hancock Road. I just wanna be sure that there's no objection to the right of way dedications that the Township is requesting. It's not on the, they're not shown on the revised plans. I know you said you that your client agrees to the staff report, but again, I just want that on the record  
Speaker 6     00:33:54    That the, that we will be provided the dedication for the right of way  
Speaker 12    00:33:58    Correct. Along both Normandy and Hancock Road to bring those to the house with as required by the master plan.  
Speaker 6     00:34:05    Yes. Okay. But the one aspect of that is I just wanna defer to our engineer in regards to how that sidewalk will be configured with the right of avoid dedication. I wanna make sure that we're not dedicating a par portion that we're also going to be putting a sidewalk on. That would also be part of the road. So let me just,  
Speaker 12    00:34:30    There wasn't any rightaway dedication shown on those revised plans, so I wasn't sure how it, in fact it was going to impact, impact your project. So if your engineer could just go over that briefly, that would be great.  
Speaker 11    00:34:45    Madam chair, if I may, just as an side note, the Township engineering department is under engineering design for nor Normandy Drive and I believe they're at halfway through the design stage on end.  
Speaker 0     00:35:01    And so will they be able to comply  
Speaker 6     00:35:07    With providing the de the right of way dedication,  
Speaker 0     00:35:10    Right?  
Speaker 6     00:35:11    Correct.  
Speaker 0     00:35:13    Okay. Okay. Thank  
Speaker 12    00:35:14    You.  
Speaker 0     00:35:18    You may proceed with your next wi next witness.  
Speaker 6     00:35:21    Thank you. And I believe it might be our next witness might be someone who is raising their hands as a attendee. Don't see him. Is  
Speaker 0     00:35:30    That a person in the public?  
Speaker 6     00:35:32    It's Lee Klein.  
Speaker 0     00:35:36    Is that person a, a member of the public?  
Speaker 14    00:35:39    Good evening. Can everyone hear me?  
Speaker 6     00:35:42    Perfect.  
Speaker 2     00:35:46    Can you please raise your right hand? Do you swear that this testimony you're about to give will be the truth and nothing but the truth?  
Speaker 14    00:35:54    I do.  
Speaker 2     00:35:55    Thank you.  
Speaker 6     00:35:57    Fantastic. Okay. Can you just explain to the board, really provide the board some of your qualifications and credentials?  
Speaker 14    00:36:03    Certainly. My name is Lee Middle initial D as in Daniel Klein, K l e i n. I'm a professional engineer in the state of New Jersey. My license is current and good standing. I'm also a nationally certified professional traffic operations engineer. And that national certification is also current and a good standing. I've been accepted before well over a hundred boards planning and zoning boards throughout New Jersey as an expert in traffic engineering. And back in 20 15, 20 18, I actually consulted to this board in Piscataway.  
Speaker 2     00:36:35    Great.  
Speaker 0     00:36:36    MS. Credentials are accepted to be testified as an expert.  
Speaker 14    00:36:40    Thank you. Thank you.  
Speaker 6     00:36:42    So Ms. Klein, were you able to review the site plan application and this actual site plan that we submitted in connection with this application?  
Speaker 14    00:36:51    Yes, I did.  
Speaker 6     00:36:53    Alright. And what were your observations in regards to TR onsite circulation?  
Speaker 14    00:37:00    Well, I, I want to speak first about my traffic report if it's okay. So I, I prepared a traffic impact study, a traffic engineering evaluation dated June 16th, 2023. It was reviewed by Dolan and Dean, your consulting traffic engineers. They found it to be prepared in accordance with recognized standards and appro appropriately analyzed the weekday AM and PMM traffic volume. So I don't know if we could just sort of put that to bed if you'd like, but I, we did the trip generation numbers. We did traffic counts at the intersection of Lakeland and Normandy back in June of last year. We found the peak hours, we analyzed the peak hours for the existing condition, the future no build condition with the background growth. And then we applied the traffic volumes from the proposed warehouse. The Trip Generation Institute of Transportation Engineers Trip Generation 11th edition was used.  
Speaker 14    00:37:57    The 241,200 square foot warehouse will generate approximately 41 cars during an a m peak hour, 32 in nine out 43 cars during the PM peak hour, 12 in and 31 out. We also have the trip generation numbers for the truck traffic. We're looking at approximately five trucks during the AM peak hour four in and one out seven trucks during the PM peak hour, four in and three out. We found that the levels of service at the intersection of Bayland and Normandy Drive operate at levels of service a in the existing conditions. That's the best levels of service service you can get. And they continue to operate at levels of service a in the future no build with the background growth and then the future build with the background growth and the trips from the warehouse As far as the site circulation goes, that was also commented on an adult and dean letter.  
Speaker 14    00:38:52    We've got two separate driveways where we're able to try to keep the passenger cars separate from the trucks and they thought that was a good idea and I also think that's a good idea. And I looked at the, the widths of the drive aisles, the parking space sizes. We meet those standards and it's the ability for passenger cars to move in and out of the PA parking spaces and trucks to move in and out of the loading spaces. The loading docks and circulate throughout the site is certainly accommodated by those, by the geometry that was proposed on the site plan.  
Speaker 6     00:39:25    So there's adequate space for both passenger vehicles and trucks and trailers to navigate safely on site.  
Speaker 14    00:39:33    That's correct.  
Speaker 6     00:39:38    And then can you just discuss briefly the, the right in, or I'm sorry, the left out right in those types of ingress and egress from those driveways?  
Speaker 14    00:39:50    Yes. We're proposing that exiting the site, you'll make a left to go towards bayland coming in. You'll be coming in from the bayland intersection and making a right turn in. We're gonna try to keep, the trucks are gonna be coming in their own driveway. Passenger cars will be coming in the easterly driveway to keep those, to keep that separation. No, no vehicles will be turning right to go down Normandy to go into the neighborhood.  
Speaker 6     00:40:14    Fantastic. Thank you. That's all I have for this witness. I'll bring on our, our architect, I believe  
Speaker 11    00:40:25    Madam chair. Can I, can I jump in on the traffic gentlemen? I I just wanna make it crystal clear that down past that section, it is a light traffic street, so there shouldn't be any trucks going down there. From what I understand from speaking with some of the residents out there, there is on the, on the Middlesex borough side of Bayland Avenue, there evidently is a car carrier business there. And evidently, supposedly what's happening out there that when some of the deliveries are waiting to be delivered offloaded some of the vehicles park on that section of Normandy Drive where they're not supposed to be. I just wanna make sure on the record that any of the facility vehicles coming on site, that they're not gonna be loitering on any of the adjacent streets and that there will be no overnight parking for any of the drivers on the site.  
Speaker 6     00:41:21    That's correct. There's offsite parking.  
Speaker 11    00:41:25    Okay. And, and for the record counselor, you, you, I I think I saw in the packet that there is gonna be Title 39 enforcement for our police department on your, on the property  
Speaker 6     00:41:42    For ticketing. That's correct.  
Speaker 11    00:41:45    Okay, thank you. Those folks that are listening, title 30 nines allows the police department to come on and issue traffic summonses on the site.  
Speaker 6     00:41:53    Correct? It's number 19 in the September 12th report.  
Speaker 11    00:41:57    Okay, thank you counselor.  
Speaker 0     00:42:02    Is that the, have you completed the testimony of that last witness?  
Speaker 6     00:42:06    That's correct. Madam,  
Speaker 0     00:42:08    Do you have any other witnesses?  
Speaker 6     00:42:09    Do we have one? Bill Mandra vile. He has my name on his as well. There we go.  
Speaker 13    00:42:19    Sorry about that.  
Speaker 6     00:42:20    Just have him sworn in please. Okay.  
Speaker 2     00:42:22    Can you please raise your right hand? Do you swear that the testimony you're about to give with truth and nothing but the truth?  
Speaker 13    00:42:28    I do.  
Speaker 2     00:42:28    Can you please state and spell your name for the record?  
Speaker 13    00:42:31    Name is William, w i l l i a m, Manda, m a n d a r a.  
Speaker 6     00:42:39    Alright. Can you provide the board with some of your qualifications and credentials please?  
Speaker 13    00:42:44    Sure thing. I'm a partner at Mand Duffy. I'm a licensed architect in New Jersey. I'm,  
Speaker 15    00:42:49    I'm sorry, this is system. Yeah, it's, it's way too low.  
Speaker 2     00:42:54    Yeah.  
Speaker 13    00:42:55    How about now? Is that better? Just  
Speaker 15    00:42:58    Turn it up as high as possible.  
Speaker 13    00:43:00    How about now?  
Speaker 15    00:43:02    Let, let's try it out. It's still a little low, but let's try it out.  
Speaker 13    00:43:07    Okay. So William Mandera w you may have to  
Speaker 10    00:43:10    Shout.  
Speaker 2     00:43:11    Yeah, it's still low.  
Speaker 10    00:43:16    Sound like the Godfather really low.  
Speaker 13    00:43:18    That's really odd. Is any better now? Any better? Now  
Speaker 4     00:43:30    Let's give it a try. Just keep your voice loud and we'll see if the court reporter  
Speaker 13    00:43:34    Can Yeah, sorry about that.  
Speaker 10    00:43:38    Probably gonna have to shout. Hate to say it, but,  
Speaker 13    00:43:46    All right. Sorry about that. How about now? Okay. Is that any better? All right, well I'll, well just  
Speaker 4     00:43:54    Start, start testifying and we'll tell you.  
Speaker 13    00:43:56    Alright, sounds good. Anyway, licensed architect New Jersey testified before many, many boards across the state of New Jersey. I'm also licensed in about 35 other states as well.  
Speaker 6     00:44:09    License in good standing.  
Speaker 13    00:44:11    Yes, it's,  
Speaker 0     00:44:13    He's accepted, qualified, he's qualified to testify as a expert in architecture.  
Speaker 6     00:44:19    Thank you. And I see you just pulled up site plan sheet. Can you just explain to the board what we're looking at?  
Speaker 13    00:44:26    Sure. What you're looking at here is the building, as you'll see on the left, this was previously explained. All of the loading to the building comes in on this side of the, of the, of the building. You'll see we have indicated some space, well, to, to, to take a break for a second. You'll see there's two office spaces and each of the corner on the right side of the building over here totaling about totaling 14,500 square feet. The rest of the spaces was previously testified as two 241,200 square feet. We have spaces designated on the roof for potential H V A C equipment that will comply with the, or the ordinances buffering requirements. We move, move towards the elevation. One of the questions, and  
Speaker 6     00:45:15    I'll tell you what, can we just back up for a second, Mr. Pa, we mark that as a three?  
Speaker 4     00:45:19    Yes sir. Okay. Please keep going. Mr. Mend. So this is a four. One of the questions,  
Speaker 13    00:45:30    One of the questions previously asked was the building height. I'm gonna zoom in a bit here. Hopefully. The, the, the top of the parapet is 49 feet and the top of the roof ridge is 47 feet one inch. So hopefully that, that should clarify the design of the building is a, is it's going to be designed using tilt up panels that will have a mix of painted and natural concrete along with metal panels in storefront. We have some renderings in the following page that will further show what that looks like. A monument sign here is proposed, again, all compliant with the ordinance. Going into the next exhibit. You see the design, again, a combination of concrete panels, aluminum panels, metal panels, as well as glass doland, where the office areas are. That's, that's, that's our final exhibit.  
Speaker 6     00:46:59    Nice. Neutral colors is what we're proposing. Correct?  
Speaker 13    00:47:02    Correct. Nothing's gonna stand out.  
Speaker 6     00:47:09    And then signage will be compliant with the,  
Speaker 13    00:47:12    The signage signages hundred. It's 120 square feet maximum signage, which we're compliant with.  
Speaker 6     00:47:21    And so we just don't know yet who the tenants will be and what that exact letter and will be obviously. But this  
Speaker 13    00:47:26    Exactly as, as, as, as the tenant comes in, that signage would come in and then proper permits will be pulled for those.  
Speaker 6     00:47:33    I  
Speaker 13    00:47:36    Just figure out how to,  
Speaker 6     00:47:43    I have no further questions for this witness. And concludes our initial proffer.  
Speaker 0     00:47:49    Okay. Do we have any questions from the members of the board? Hearing one?  
Speaker 11    00:48:01    Yeah. Madam chair. I just wanna make sure, make sure that I know they have neutral colors up there at this point. I just wanna make sure that in the IO beholder that you submit the colors to the board and let the staff sign off on it, because I don't want any obnoxious colors out there.  
Speaker 4     00:48:23    We agree with that.  
Speaker 11    00:48:24    Okay.  
Speaker 3     00:48:28    Madam chair, it's Reverend Kinneally here. I'm just concerned about how many handicapped spot spaces do you have there? I didn't hear anything in regards to it. Maybe I missed it.  
Speaker 6     00:48:41    We'll, defer back to Franz. Can you just  
Speaker 8     00:48:46    Yes, there are seven handicap, a d a spaces.  
Speaker 3     00:48:51    Okay. I I, I missed it because some or another I didn't catch what you said. Thank you.  
Speaker 6     00:48:57    No worries.  
Speaker 0     00:49:00    Any other questions from the board hearing? No questions. So let's open it up to the public please. Members of the public, you heard several witnesses. If you have any questions, this is your opportunity to ask questions. Would you please signify by making a, making us know that you're raising your hand?  
Speaker 1     00:49:21    Okay. Madam chair, the first one, raise your hand is Tenorio. Zeno?  
Speaker 16    00:49:28    Yes. Hi. Good evening.  
Speaker 4     00:49:30    Okay, just Ms. Tenorio, just so you, and this goes for anyone else who wants to, if you could state your name, spell your last name, and give us your address. And then the board secretary will swear you in and then you can tell the board or ask whatever questions you want. Okay?  
Speaker 16    00:49:52    Okay. Thank you. My name is Lydia Zeno and Rio. We're a family that lives at two Hancock Road, Piscataway and it's a two family home.  
Speaker 4     00:50:05    Okay. And you're a two Hancock. Okay. And then Ms. Saunders will swear you in.  
Speaker 2     00:50:12    Can you please raise your right hand? Do you swear that the testimony you're about to give will be the truth and nothing but the truth?  
Speaker 16    00:50:19    Yes.  
Speaker 2     00:50:20    Thank you.  
Speaker 4     00:50:21    What would you like to say, ma'am?  
Speaker 16    00:50:24    I wanna thank you for giving us this, this time with, for the concerns. I represent our home, which you spoke about earlier. The coin house on two Hancock Road in Norman. This is an earthquake situation for us and we are devastated, sincerely devastated with a three PL building bill behind us. I work for one and I know what comes with this. The project raises several issues such as noise and light pollution from construction, increased traffic along with congestion for imports, exports and employees. Considering these claims are based on the proposed per position of the 162 parking spaces and everything that you just spoke about. And as a result of the increased traffic congestion and with that congestion, when River Road floods, we get the congestion of all the warehouses that are there behind us that come down on Normandy Avenue and Lakeland. The traffic of the cars becomes horrendous.  
Speaker 16    00:51:25    We have families and we have a lot of children and a lot of pets in our area, and it will be affected. And since we live right on the corner of Hancock and Normandy, this project encompasses us completely with the exception of the front of our home. And I am, I, I'm very nervous and concerned about all these things. I know you said you would build walls, no walls are gonna hold pollution, no walls are gonna hold the noises. And we're very, very concerned and upset for our family. And I've seen in the diagram, it looks like on the one side on the left of us is gonna be the entrance to the facility and a hot box positioned on the other side of our home. This will be in safe proximity to our home and our neighborhood. And as of now, we have a lot of turkeys, deers and wildlife running in our area as it is.  
Speaker 16    00:52:20    What happens when they start digging and another species come up from the ground and it's going to disturb our home? What happens when they start digging and the chemicals rise due to the previous union carbide plant that was located there Earth. And I'm just concerned, did anyone ever consider the families that live in that area that have children and pets for themselves? How destructive this will be to our neighborhood? We have children that play outside and we really have a big concern. We care about our neighborhood, we care about our families. We supported Piscataway and in many ways throughout elections, backing the police and fire departments. And they are wonderful. And now we're looking for some support for us. It's all about people, it's about families and children. And the other, one last thing is that once this building goes up, our property values are gonna drop. And I don't think that that's fair to anyone in the neighborhood. So I, I hope you know, I thank you for giving us this opportunity and I hope you consider everything that I did say because we love our neighborhood and we've been here over 18 years. Thank you.  
Speaker 4     00:53:34    Thank you Madam. Anyone else? Are  
Speaker 0     00:53:39    There any other members of the public who'd like to come forward? Do you see any indication, Ms.  
Speaker 1     00:53:51    Buckley? No. If anybody else would like to speak, you could just raise your hand on the corner and I did unmute you so you can give us your name if you'd like to speak on the application.  
Speaker 0     00:54:02    Hello? Hello? Hi, this is Laura Liebowitz. I'm the county committee representative for Stelton Town Neighborhood at two 11. Okay. Represent ma'am without that neighborhood specifically that block  
Speaker 4     00:54:21    O Okay ma'am, if you, you said Laura Lebowitz, is it l e i b o w i t Z?  
Speaker 0     00:54:29    That is correct.  
Speaker 4     00:54:30    And what is your address ma'am?  
Speaker 0     00:54:33    1 0 2 Stratton Street South.  
Speaker 4     00:54:40    Okay. Ms. Saunders, I'll swear you in. Okay.  
Speaker 2     00:54:42    Can you please raise your right hand?  
Speaker 0     00:54:45    Yes.  
Speaker 2     00:54:46    Do you swear that the testimony you're about to give give will be the truth and nothing but the truth?  
Speaker 0     00:54:51    Yes.  
Speaker 2     00:54:51    Thank you.  
Speaker 0     00:54:54    So I'm just here. I'd like to applaud and send my support to the previous caller. She truly is just one singular voice for many voices in neighborhood. It's a beautiful neighborhood, especially at the back there and I can only support what she said in addition to noise and light pollution. The diesel fume pollution is a serious concern with the number of trucks and traffic right at the back of that neighborhood and River Road in conjunction with all of the other truck traffic that we have in town. There are other warehouses back there. The Best Buy warehouse, the Amazon warehouse, it's really quite a collection of warehouses and really a centralized location for any number of trucks in and out besides the ongoing traffic. It is a serious concern and I just really want to voice knowing that this one family spoke, but I have also spoken with many neighbors in the community. People are not happy and I hope that we will consider this. Thank you.  
Speaker 4     00:56:11    Thank you ma'am.  
Speaker 0     00:56:14    Are there any other members of the public who would like to come forth and ask questions at this time?  
Speaker 4     00:56:21    I, I see someone named the mag. The mag?  
Speaker 17    00:56:25    Yes, this is, can you hear me?  
Speaker 4     00:56:27    I can. If you could state your  
Speaker 17    00:56:29    Name is Yes, this is Margaret Ball at 77 Hancock Road and I've been in the area for 40 plus years.  
Speaker 4     00:56:37    I'm sorry, just I slow, slow down. One second ma'am. I have to write as fast as you talk. Okay, Margaret. And what's your last name?  
Speaker 17    00:56:46    Baal. B a l l.  
Speaker 4     00:56:49    Oh, okay. 77 Hancock Road.  
Speaker 17    00:56:52    Right. So I'm, I'm on the other side of Hancock, has a division in the middle. Okay,  
Speaker 4     00:56:58    Just hold on one second. Ms. Saunders, you wanna swear in? May you please  
Speaker 2     00:57:01    Raise your right hand. Yes, Ms. Wolf? Yes. Do you swear that the testimony about to give you the truth and nothing but the truth?  
Speaker 17    00:57:08    I do.  
Speaker 2     00:57:08    Thank you.  
Speaker 17    00:57:09    So I've lived in at 77 for over 40 years. So when Georgia Pacific was here, there was a lot of pollution that occurred. So I'm really concerned when they start digging the acetone, the phenol could create some major contamination in the environment for the people living, you know, very, very close to the building. So I, I just wonder if there's been a lot of consideration on this brownfield with the volatile organic compounds that can reenter the atmosphere. Is there gonna be a capping of any sort because of all the pollution that occurred here that I'm sure is not ever gonna be remediated in our lifetime? So that was one question and I have a second if you can answer that. I just wanted know whether, I heard some mention about the D e P is going to be brought in at some point, but I am very concerned that we will know and be reassured that we're not gonna have too much contamination when the building occurs.  
Speaker 17    00:58:09    So that would be one of my bigger concerns. But also, why can't the direction of the traffic be along the other corridors where the other warehouses? Why does it have to come out on a residential street where there's a house within feet of the, of the driveway where we know that you, they're gonna only come into the right and out to the left, but it's still very close to a lot of our houses with the noise, the pollution they're gonna create. Why aren't they allowed to be redirected and have it directed by where the other warehouses go, come and go off to Bayland. And there's another road over, over there, I can't remember the name that it's, it's, what's it called? Ridge, Ridge Road. I don't understand why that wasn't used as their entry and exit. So that that's a bigger, that's even a bigger concern with traffic and noise and pollution. Thank you.  
Speaker 4     00:59:05    Mr. Ero, do you want to address that or have any of your experts address that?  
Speaker 6     00:59:11    If we have to get more in depth for environmental, we can. However, I just wanted to note again for we're proceeding with an r a O for this site and so that outcome will be predicated upon what the N J D E P says in terms of remediation cleanup of the site. But I I I will go ahead.  
Speaker 7     00:59:34    Yeah, let me just add a couple things and I hope to answer all your questions first as it relates to the environmental, and just as a general comment, we are under a confidentiality agreement here. There's a lot of information that is public. The site does go back and I want to, we may have to, we have Justin Peritz on the line as well, who is our environmental engineer who could speak a little bit further to this, but we are, we could speak to certain things, but as Anthony was just referring to, we will be, we d e P already has, is involved in the site history on the site does go back many years. There will be a cap solution here. There will be an r a o ultimately as well at from during the course of construction, we will be complying with all environmental laws.  
Speaker 7     01:00:24    Most of the remediation that's happened to date, I mean, I guess a, a good portion of the remediation has already happened to date. There is still more to be done, which ultimately will get us to that r e o point, which is an in our, basically a, a cap solution here. There will be a deeded notice and a couple other measures taken in place. But as far as how we control everything, we will be absolutely compliant with all applicable laws and ensuring that there aren't any discharges from that perspective. But historical, the companies on the site from the, from a historical perspective, have been operating on the site for many years as was just indicated. And there has been ongoing remediation for several years. Anthony, I don't know if it makes sense for Justin to give a little bit more of a technical explanation than I just gave, which we are more than happy to open up to him just to give a high level of where we are from an R e O perspective and all the capping perspective. Does that make the the most sense? And then we can answer the other questions that we just asked?  
Speaker 6     01:01:28    I do, I do. Let's, let's just briefly provide some professional environmental testimony. Hopefully that'll address any of the public comments in that regard. So we'll see. Where,  
Speaker 2     01:01:44    Can you please raise your right hand? Can you please raise your right hand? Is  
Speaker 18    01:01:46    That Justin? Yes, there you go.  
Speaker 2     01:01:49    Do you swear that the testimony you're about to give give will be the truth and nothing but the truth?  
Speaker 18    01:01:53    I do.  
Speaker 2     01:01:54    Can you please state and spell your name for the record?  
Speaker 18    01:01:57    My name is Justin Peritz. That's j u s t i n Peritz, P R O T a, SS I E W I C z. It's just above my name, my head. Okay,  
Speaker 2     01:02:07    Thank you. Yeah,  
Speaker 18    01:02:11    I'm with SS e s I consulting engineers. I've been practicing engineering for 15 years, licensed in New Jersey since 2016. And I've testified in front of several boards in New Jersey in the past.  
Speaker 6     01:02:23    I'd like to just submit him briefly as a professional.  
Speaker 0     01:02:26    Yes, go May proceed. And  
Speaker 6     01:02:30    Please go ahead and  
Speaker 18    01:02:32    Sure. So, you know, as he's indicated, the the site has been under remediation since the 1980s. There has been significant investigation and remediation completed at the site by the past companies that were, were operating. The, the, the, the site there was significant soil removed from, from the project and the source contamination has been removed from the site. There is remaining groundwater contamination, which is being managed by the, under the observation of N J D E P and, and the licensed site remediation professional. And the remedial action permits for the site have been submitted to the state of New Jersey. So as, as heath indicated, once, once those remedial action permits are issued from the state, a a response action outcome will be issued for the project from, from a redevelopment perspective, we will be managing the project under a site management plan. So we will be making sure to manage the soils and groundwater appropriately during, during the, the redevelopment. And we will be taking into consideration, you know, keeping the surrounding community safe during, during that time period. So there will be monitoring and observations made during construction. We did design the site to, to, to consider the existing conditions at the property. So we, we will be, to the extent possible, mostly only filling at the, at the, at the project there will be some minor cuts and pills, but the, but the site was designed to take into consideration the, the underlying contamination.  
Speaker 6     01:04:20    Thanks. And to sum that up, the intent is to actually make better the site from an environmental standpoint. Is that correct?  
Speaker 18    01:04:29    That is correct. You know, a a as, as I'm sure the, the adjacent residents have, have noted the site is, is, is a blight and, and it is in need of redevelopment. And this will absolutely improve the quality of the site from an environmental perspective.  
Speaker 6     01:04:45    And the remediation efforts will are under the oversight and governments of the N J D E P, correct?  
Speaker 18    01:04:53    That is correct.  
Speaker 6     01:04:54    Thank you. Thank you for just providing that clarification.  
Speaker 0     01:05:04    Is there any other member of the public who have a question at this time  
Speaker 6     01:05:09    And Yeah, I have a question. We, we just wanted to just address that second point as well regarding Okay. Good access in front that, that was important as well to address that. So I'll just have our or civil engineer, Franz, just pop back on just to reiterate a few aspects and just remind yourself that, that you're still under oath, correct?  
Speaker 8     01:05:32    Yes. Okay, so pull  
Speaker 6     01:05:35    Back up Exhibit A one. Correct.  
Speaker 8     01:05:37    I have pulled back up Exhibit A one.  
Speaker 6     01:05:40    Okay.  
Speaker 8     01:05:42    So there's comment about us not accessing what it's Ridge Road. So our site is bounded by Normandy Drive, the adjacent properties in Hancock to the east. It's a kin cashier property to the, the west and then the KISS distributors to the south. So we have no direct frontage on Ridge Road. Also Ridge Road is a private road that's not owned by the Township and it's not owned by the developer. So we have no access to any other streets other than Normandy and Hancock. So we are prepare proposing our traffic to enter exit off of Normandy.  
Speaker 6     01:06:36    Okay. And so again, and that, that's why we have the, we have adequate frontage on Normandy and we're going to construct two driveways for ingress and egress for both trucks and passenger vehicles.  
Speaker 8     01:06:48    Yes.  
Speaker 0     01:06:54    Are there any other questions? Any other witnesses at this time?  
Speaker 19    01:06:59    I have a question as a member of the public.  
Speaker 4     01:07:02    Okay ma'am, you just have a phone number there. So if you could state your name, spell your last name and give us your address please. First  
Speaker 19    01:07:09    Name, of course. My name Jessica.  
Speaker 4     01:07:14    Yeah, you're gonna have to spell the last name.  
Speaker 19    01:07:18    Sure. That's kr a T as in Tom, O V as in Victor. I l as in  
Speaker 4     01:07:28    That on Normandy and  
Speaker 15    01:07:29    Hancock. Excuse me. Excuse me. Can we have the members of the public that aren't speaking put themselves on mute? Thank you.  
Speaker 4     01:07:38    And, and if you could spell your last name again, you kept cutting out  
Speaker 19    01:07:43    My apologies. It's k r a T as in Tom, o V as in Victor, i l as in Lima, Kratovil.  
Speaker 4     01:07:55    Thank you. And your address ma'am?  
Speaker 19    01:07:58    It's 1247 Brookside Road.  
Speaker 4     01:08:04    Okay Ms,  
Speaker 2     01:08:07    Can you please raise your right hand?  
Speaker 19    01:08:10    Sure.  
Speaker 2     01:08:11    Do you swear that the testimony you're about to give we the truth and nothing but the truth? Yes.  
Speaker 19    01:08:15    Yes.  
Speaker 16    01:08:16    Thank you.  
Speaker 19    01:08:19    So I had a question about the environmental impact Piscataway has is listed in the New Jersey Department of Environmental Protection as an overburdened community for environmental reasons. And the American Lung Association, as of my reading right now, gives us a a d in terms of air quality. I understand that you just stated that the environmental state of the property was going to be improved, but to my understanding, the property is currently vacant and I'm wondering how occupying it with a warehouse and, and truck traffic will improve the air quality and in the, the overall environmental quality of the overall community in Piscataway. That was my question.  
Speaker 18    01:09:25    This is Justin. So from, from an, when we're talking about environmental, I'm specifically discussing the, the remediation that's been ongoing at the project. The, the, the, the redevelopment of the site is going to further essentially cover the, the, the property with buildings and asphalt and, and, and landscape and clean fill that is going to be imported into the project from a, from a air quality perspective, we are going to be monitoring the air during construction to confirm that the levels of, of, of dust remain below standards and, and that there's adequate dust control during construction. I I'm not specifically referencing truck traffic or the like that you, that you indicated.  
Speaker 19    01:10:21    Thank you. I, I think that's something that the, the planning board needs to consider is not just the, the impact during construction, but the long-term environmental impact on the communities and families in the immediate vicinity. Thank you for taking the time to hear my comments and questions.  
Speaker 4     01:10:40    Thank you ma'am. Is there anyone else from the public that would like to speak?  
Speaker 1     01:10:50    Don't see anyone Chairman  
Speaker 10    01:10:53    It.  
Speaker 16    01:10:55    Thank you. Hi. I'm sorry, this again, I had one other question. I didn't see anybody, if they can address me about this hot box, what it's supposed to supposed to be. That's on the diagram to the right of our house.  
Speaker 6     01:11:21    I'm not sure number. There's a few things. I'm not sure if public portion of the meeting's been closed regardless. I'm not sure what the question is in terms of a hot box  
Speaker 0     01:11:31    Closed public portion.  
Speaker 4     01:11:33    In fairness, her i, her hand was up while the Madam chair was falling forward. So if you could just quickly just tell us what this box is that she's asking about.  
Speaker 6     01:11:44    Sure. Where is it on? I, I'm not sure what this box is,  
Speaker 8     01:11:48    I can speak to that, Anthony. Okay. So that hot box is off of Hancock Road. It is a water connection. So the water will connect into the water main located on Hancock Road. The hot box itself is an above ground structure that houses the backflow, preventers meters, that sort of thing. That will feed the proposed warehouse. It's completely located on our property. And it will be screened from public eye with vegetative screening as well.  
Speaker 16    01:12:31    So that's gonna have electricity going through it to the new building.  
Speaker 8     01:12:36    It will have a, a low electrical line, just enough to keep the water meter and water valves warm in the winter so it doesn't freeze. But other than that, it is for water service from Hancock to the building. It's not for electrical service.  
Speaker 16    01:13:02    Where exactly would that be placed?  
Speaker 8     01:13:07    It will be placed in the location that the diagram you are referring to.  
Speaker 16    01:13:14    What I mean is how far from our house  
Speaker 8     01:13:18    It is currently proposed to be roughly 125 to 150 feet.  
Speaker 16    01:13:28    You might as well put it in our front yard.  
Speaker 6     01:13:32    I'm gonna object. I'm, I'm  
Speaker 4     01:13:34    Not sure. I don't even know who that is, so whatever.  
Speaker 8     01:13:38    Right.  
Speaker 4     01:13:38    You can move on Mr. Today. Does anyone else from the public have any comments? Otherwise, we're gonna close the public portion. Madam chair, do you wanna call for  
Speaker 0     01:13:52    Madam chair? Yes. Close to the public with this portion of the question. Members of the board, do you have any final comments?  
Speaker 4     01:14:07    Mr. Ero? Do you wish to have sum up in any way or,  
Speaker 6     01:14:11    Yes, we would. So thank you for that last opportunity. To summarize our application, and again, it's a, this is an application, it's a fully compliant application for preliminary and final site plan approval. I'm not asking for any variances, waivers, exceptions. There's no deviations from the redevelopment plan that's already been adopted and put in place. So we're proposing a warehouse, which is a permitted use by that redevelopment plan, discussed the circulation site access, the make ready spaces that we're going to be putting in compliance with New Jersey law. And it's a, it's a Brownfield site and the remedial steps that we're taking and the remediation is subject to the d e p oversight and comply with the site plan ordinance. Believe that it's appropriate to approve our application. So thank you for your time tonight.  
Speaker 0     01:15:09    Members of the board, you've heard the application in all the, the witnesses that have appeared before us. What is your pleasure for a motion  
Speaker 11    01:15:19    Madam chair before we take a motion? I just wanna clarify with Mr. Barlow about the whole charging stations here. I know, I know I under, I understand the state statute, but you know, the intent of, and I know the state statutes supersedes are missable ordinance, however, I think it would be incumbent upon the applicant and that at least that they have half of them actually active in a good faith effort.  
Speaker 4     01:15:48    Did Arrow, would your client agree to that?  
Speaker 11    01:15:52    Pardon me, Ms.  
Speaker 6     01:15:55    I'm trying to see, am I on mute? I mean, it's gonna be an issue only because of the utilities. I mean, putting in the conduit can commit at this time.  
Speaker 11    01:16:07    Well, the way I look at it, if you get fully operational, you're gonna have the utilities right there. Correct. Counselor. I mean, there's one thing to stump 'em out, but once you have a tenant there or two tenants, there's no reason not to have them built out. Correct?  
Speaker 6     01:16:33    That's correct. But again, so I guess at this point, while we  
Speaker 11    01:16:37    All right, how, let's counsel, how about we do it this way, when you have half the building occupied, you have half the charging seats filled, and if you get the other half occupied and you have the other half filled, simple as that. This way you don't have to do all seven at at once. That's a reasonable request.  
Speaker 12    01:17:00    Unless they have one tenant at night or then they're gonna,  
Speaker 11    01:17:03    Or if they have one tenant and they, they, they get their co then there's no reason why they can't have that built out because all idea counselor, you know, I, I understand what the state was trying to do. However, I don't think they had the intent of companies coming in getting a free pass, just installing the stub out there and never intent to build it out. I don't think that was the intent of the legislature or the statute. All I'm saying is that there's other buildings in our town, they, they have no problems installing 'em.  
Speaker 6     01:17:39    Tell you what, I'm looking at the plan now. We have a dual station, so what we could agree to is make two of those parking spaces now.  
Speaker 11    01:17:57    Well, I'm not asking to until Mr. Barlow until they get a, they get a tenant and it's actually occupied. Nobody's asking to have it operational during construction or anything like that. When you, when you get a tenant that actually in, in the building.  
Speaker 6     01:18:14    So at the time of CO will have two stalls, is that something that  
Speaker 11    01:18:20    You gotta have at least 50% counselor? I know how much to, I know how I relatively have a good idea how much he's called and the stall and the grand scheme of things, Heath, it's not a big ticket item as you know. So  
Speaker 7     01:18:38    Yeah, this is all coming down to ensuring that we could coordinate appropriately with the utility companies and making sure that they have the capacity to provide the power that we need. And as we all know, getting utility companies are not guaranteeing us power until we could substantiate what the require, what the requirement is for the building. We could put that as you, as you suggest, it's not a matter of cost, it's just a matter of coordination with the utility company to ensure that that could happen. So I'm sure we could figure something out from that perspective. It's just really coming down to will the utility companies cooperate?  
Speaker 11    01:19:16    All right. I I I get that Keith, we have the same problems at the municipal level dealing with Yeah. Right. However, I think what we'll do, Mr. Barlow always said as part of the condition of approval that they have to come in and demonstrate to us with PSEG that there's an issue out there on why they can't build it out. My my take is if you have one tenant there for the facility, there's no reason why all seven can't be built. If you have half, if it occupied, it should have half. There's, there's no reason.  
Speaker 4     01:19:45    Well, Mr. Abrahamson, would the applicant be willing to agree that once you have your, you know who your tenants are and therefore your power needs, that you will make the appropriate, take the appropriate steps necessary to work with the utility company to effectuate the installation of the seven EV stations?  
Speaker 7     01:20:11    Yeah. Yes.  
Speaker 4     01:20:13    Okay. And I can, I can frame that in a way. Mayor, Wahler, I think that pro protects the applicant, but also accomplishes what you're seeking, which is when the doors open that there's, people can plug in their EV cars. Okay.  
Speaker 0     01:20:35    Members of the board, are you ready to propose to present a motion noting all the subjects that were discussed tonight?  
Speaker 3     01:20:52    Madam chair, Reverend Kinneally, I make a motion that this application be approved and that the applicant meets all the conditions that set forth by the various different boards of Mr. Interesting. And, and in compliance with everything in regards to this application.  
Speaker 0     01:21:18    Do we have a second? I second it. Thank you. Roll call. Do we have somebody to ate to, to enumerate what those conditions are please? Mr. Barlow?  
Speaker 4     01:21:33    I have about four pages of notes. Madam chair, it's all of the conditions set forth in the board's professional staff reports, including the seven EV stations based on the timeframe that was discussed, the additional fencing and screening for the property at two Hancock, the right of way, dedication along Title 39 enforcement, the repeater system, and the additional conditions that the applicant agreed to on the record.  
Speaker 11    01:22:04    Hold on. Matt Madam chair and Mr. Barlow. Also the, as the build out of Hancock and Normandy, since we're like 50% along with the engineering plans, that that should be working in conjunction with our Township engineering department. So when the curbing goes in out there, has to mimic the plans from Remington and Verdict.  
Speaker 4     01:22:28    Okay. Absolutely. The applicant, I'm sure will work with the, the township's professional staff to make sure that goes very smoothly.  
Speaker 7     01:22:36    We will,  
Speaker 0     01:22:38    Thank you. Can we have the roll call Ms. Buckley?  
Speaker 1     01:22:42    Mayor Wahler?  
Speaker 11    01:22:43    Yes.  
Speaker 1     01:22:43    Yes. Ms. Corcoran? Yes. Yes. Ms. Saunders?  
Speaker 0     01:22:49    Yes. Yes.  
Speaker 1     01:22:51    Reverend Kinneally? Yes. Mr. Atkins?  
Speaker 0     01:22:54    Yes.  
Speaker 1     01:22:55    Yes. Mr. Foster?  
Speaker 0     01:22:57    Yes.  
Speaker 1     01:22:58    Mr. Ahmed? He's here. And Madam chair.  
Speaker 0     01:23:05    Yes. Yes. There you've had Mr. Chadro. The motion has passed. Thank you very much. Thank you. Every night,  
Speaker 4     01:23:21    Everyone. Gimme one second. Madam chair. Let me just to the, so the next thing on the agenda would be the 30 Duke Road that we as indicated before was adjourned,  
Speaker 0     01:23:34    Right?  
Speaker 4     01:23:35    Till the October 11th meeting. Right. We have the 10 Marion Court again, that was adjourned till October 11th. The first discussion item, Madam chair was Mr. Morris, who's the applicant's attorney on 21 PB 40 and 41 V, the Revolutionary housing group, L l C. He's seeking a one year extension of time to perfect the minor subdivision for the property at nine Water Street. He forwarded correspondence indicating that they've been diligently pursuing with the NJ D e P for the permits they need. It's taking longer than I think everyone anticipated, and he has sought a extension of time to perfect the subdivision. If anyone has any questions regards  
Speaker 0     01:24:30    To, do you have any questions or objections, would someone make a proposal to grant the extension requested by Mr. Mark on this application?  
Speaker 3     01:24:41    Madam chair? Reverend Kinneally, I, I make allow this to make the extension for one year. Is it correct, sir? For one year?  
Speaker 0     01:24:51    Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Go ahead, Ms. Second.  
Speaker 2     01:24:54    Carol Saunders Second Saunders Second  
Speaker 0     01:24:56    Roll call. Roll call.  
Speaker 1     01:24:58    Mayor Wahler.  
Speaker 0     01:24:59    Yes. Yes.  
Speaker 1     01:25:00    Ms. Corcoran? Yes. Yes. Ms. Saunders?  
Speaker 2     01:25:04    Yes. Yes.  
Speaker 1     01:25:05    Reverend Kinneally? Yes. Mr. Atkins?  
Speaker 4     01:25:08    Yes.  
Speaker 0     01:25:09    Yes.  
Speaker 1     01:25:09    Mr. Foster? Yes. Mr. Ahmed and Madam chair?  
Speaker 0     01:25:15    Yes.  
Speaker 4     01:25:16    Madam chair. There's a resolution that was prepared in keeping with that, that Ms. Saunders has, so it's one less thing we have to worry about for the October meeting.  
Speaker 0     01:25:25    Mr. Cahn, just review and proceed.  
Speaker 2     01:25:28    Okay. Hold on. Let me just get it here. Sorry.  
Speaker 0     01:25:32    Gimme one.  
Speaker 2     01:25:33    Gotta go to my email. Oh, I could just read it from here. I like to moralize the applica resolution for an extension time for application 21 PV dash 40 slash 41 v Revolutionary housing group L L C for a one year extension to Perfect The minor subdivision.  
Speaker 0     01:26:01    Do that sec. Second. Second. Roll call please. Roll call please.  
Speaker 1     01:26:06    Mayor Wahler? Yes. Yes. Ms. Corcoran? Yes. Yes. Ms. Saunders?  
Speaker 4     01:26:12    Yes. Yes.  
Speaker 1     01:26:14    Reverend Kinneally? Yes. Mr. Atkins? Yes.  
Speaker 4     01:26:17    Yes.  
Speaker 1     01:26:17    Mr. Foster? Yes. And Madam chair? Yes.  
Speaker 4     01:26:23    Madam chair. The next matter is a discussion item for 18 PB 38 and 39 V Corporate Park Associates. Mr. Arch is here and they have a request with regards to this matter which the board is previously heard back in November 7th, 2018. Mr. Arch.  
Speaker 21    01:26:47    Good evening everybody. Everybody hear me? Good evening. Members of the board, board professionals. My name is Tim Arch attorney licensed in the state of New Jersey. The reason that we're here today for this discussion item, there was a letter that was sent in to Ms. Corcoran that I believe the board has in front of them. The reason for this request is that we have a new prospective tenant that is coming in to the building. Previously, there was a already site plan approval granted for this site. As part of that site plan approval, there was a parking variance that was granted back at that time, it was 138 spaces required and 127 spaces were provided. This new tenant that's coming in is requesting a reallocation of the interior use of the building, literally where we have permitted use for warehouse and office. They want to use more area for office use than was previously.  
Speaker 21    01:27:43    Granted, there's no changes that are being proposed to the existing site from what was previously approved in the site plan. It's literally just a reallocation of that interior space. So normally that would be a a, a very simple thing. But because of that, and because of the way parking calculations are done per your ordinance, because there is an increased use of office space and a decreased use in the warehouse space, the parking count gets recalculated and changes what the parking variance would be. There is a provision in your ordinance that allows for exemption from site plan review. And there's four criteria that have to be me met for that, for that exemption to apply. And so what I'm here tonight asking is that you essentially grant your zoning professionals your blessing to treat this as an exempt appli exempt from site plan application under the ordinance.  
Speaker 21    01:28:44    And the reason, and, and the way that we're achieving that is that we are proposing to convert six of the existing parking spaces that are on the site to make ready EV spaces. And by doing that, we are actually gaining those credits, which will then offset the change in the variance and actually result in a net better variance or, or a, a net better. Yeah. Essentially a better variance than what was originally granted, our deficiency will be less, we'll only have a 10 deficiency in instead of an 11 deficiency. So the four criteria just to briefly go through and, and I'll just, I'll just paraphrase them and go through as they are in the letter. Number one, we are not, our proposal does not include greater than a thousand square feet of disturbance. Number two, we are not proposing any changes to signage, to draining, to site circulation, anything along those lines.  
Speaker 21    01:29:38    And so there's no, no changes there. There is no negative impact to the site functioning. In fact, we're not changing anything in, in terms of how the site functions. We're actually arguably improving it because we're improving upon that variance. And then the last criteria is that this does not require additional parking spaces because of the offset of those spaces. We are actually not proposing to build any new spaces merely convert the existing spaces. So we believe that we meet all four of those criteria to, to qualify for site plan exemption. Quite frankly, I think it is a, it, it's improving upon the site. It's providing make-ready spaces where there were no make-ready spaces. And quite frankly, if we were just to point out, if we were to come in for a site plan, a revised site plan application, because there is no proposal of new parking spaces, we would actually not fall under the state EV statute. And so there wouldn't be no requirement to even put in any make ready spaces if we were to come back for a full site plan. So because of that, we're actually going above and beyond what the, the state statute would require us to do if we were coming in for an amended site plan. So with that said, I, I would ask you to please look upon this favorably and and authorize your, your professionals to treat this as an exempt proposal from the site plan application. And I welcome any questions,  
Speaker 4     01:31:14    Madam chair. I, I've reviewed Mr. Arch's submission and the ordinance, and my opinion would be that, that the exemption would apply and that it would not require a formal application to do it. And the zoning officer should be allowed to proceed as Mr. Arch requested. But as he indicated, he or I are happy to answer any questions, but I would think the exemption applies.  
Speaker 10    01:31:41    But Mr. Barlow just, I have one item. Mr. Arch is right that they're not required to put in E V S E 'cause this particular question came up on applications I've done elsewhere. And I asked, I'm driving Maria Connolly craze at D C A. When I ask clarifications, the municipality be in the ordinance, in in the state statute. They don't have to grant the credit. However, the municipality may do this. This is what D C A told me to encourage installation of E V S E. So it's well within their purview to do that. Now, I, you know, he said, you know, make ready, I'll defer to the board if they wanna make it lie. But, you know, to give them these credits would be within the state statute according to D c a  
Speaker 0     01:32:31    Members of the board. Would anybody like to make, make re make a motion to grant this request?  
Speaker 3     01:32:43    Madam chair Reverend Kinneally. I, I grant this request to move forward in regard to Mr. Tim attorney Tim arch's request for the, a large office space for a new tenant.  
Speaker 0     01:33:03    Do I have a second? Carol Saunders Saunders. Thank you. Roll call.  
Speaker 1     01:33:10    Mayor Wahler.  
Speaker 11    01:33:12    Yes. Yes.  
Speaker 1     01:33:14    Ms. Corcoran? Yes. Yes. Ms. Saunders? Yes. Yes. Reverend Kinneally. Yes. Mr. Atkins? Yes.  
Speaker 0     01:33:22    Yes.  
Speaker 1     01:33:22    Mr. Foster? Yes. And Madam chair?  
Speaker 0     01:33:27    Yes. Yes. Mr. Barlow. Next, next time.  
Speaker 4     01:33:31    Madam chair. The next matter for discussion is 1690 South Washington Block 5 7 0 1 lot two. I believe Mr. Wolfson is here on that matter and, and can explain to the board what he's here for.  
Speaker 18    01:33:47    Thanks Mr. Barlow. I'm listed on your screen as Ron Beck 'cause he sent me the link. So there's two Ron Becks this way if I say something that makes you mad, I can always tell him it was Ron so the boss will blame him instead of me. Ron's used to that. I'm sure he'll tell you. So we're here because as you know, this board about a year ago granted us an approval for warehouse. And we've been involved for the last year and putting together resolution compliance. And I think what's happened here is that we've, we've requested building permits to move forward. And I think the zoning and, and building officers are uncomfortable in granting the building permit and zoning permit because the county planning board issue with the town for the putting in the traffic light, it, it sounds to me like a very good request to put in that traffic signal to allow for the safe ingress and egress to the ecological park is in discussion.  
Speaker 18    01:34:49    So the Township has made I think, a request to include that. And I think the county, I'm not saying they're acting in bad faith, but they're certainly not acting quickly in terms of that. So we are requesting clarification from the board as much to help us as it is to protect the zoning officer and building code official that there's nothing in the resolution of approval or the conditions that would prevent or prohibit the issuance of those building permits and zoning permits. And that's really all we're doing here, so that we're not, you know, hurt or prejudiced because the county isn't enacting as quickly as we would all like with regard to that issue. And certainly we understand that, you know, that issue's gonna be resolved long before the question of COS comes, comes up. But we would like to get started. As you know, it's been a full year already since we've had that approval.  
Speaker 18    01:35:42    And as you know, and your professionals know, we've worked very hard to try to get to the resolution compliance. And I think there was, and a, a letter or a checklist sheet issued, which I think was supplied to Mr. Barlow by Mr. Hinterstein as to resolution compliance with all the other issues. The only thing in the resolution I've looked at very carefully and I alerted Township representatives to that issue that related to building permits or cos was that no CO would issue until the deceleration lane was completed. But there is no other prohibition, the resolution against building permits. So we would like the board to confirm and clarify that there is no problem if the building code officer and zoning officer issue their permits if it's otherwise appropriate. That's really why we're here. Ron and Ron Beck is here. Should there really be any questions from the board? Although I'm hoping there are or not. It's pretty straightforward what we're asking.  
Speaker 4     01:36:45    Mr. Just to be clear, the Piscataway reached out to the county because Piscataway wants that light in there.  
Speaker 18    01:36:53    Right.  
Speaker 4     01:36:55    Safety, I think it probably extend to me safety into the ecological preserve.  
Speaker 18    01:36:59    Right. And they requested that and I, and we're obviously not opposing that, but it's not within our jurisdiction or unfortunately yours. Yeah. So they're sort of taking their sweet time as to deciding whether or not to accommodate this request that the Mayor and the town have made. And we're just asking protect us, protect his zone officer and the building code officer with our permits, make it clear that the resolution does not prohibit the issuance those permits.  
Speaker 4     01:37:25    Okay. And you, you're acknowledging that, you know, you're proceeding at your own risk,  
Speaker 18    01:37:29    Of course  
Speaker 4     01:37:29    You do something and then the count, okay.  
Speaker 18    01:37:32    Yeah. I can't imagine what that would be. But as a matter of legal principle, you're absolutely correct. If, if the county did something that required a change in terms of the building design that was approved as part of the site plan, we'd have to fix it, no doubt about that. But I don't see the issue that's pending where the town is requesting the county to, to do, if I could be so bold, is to say the right thing is not something that would affect the structure or the internal roadways or anything like that.  
Speaker 12    01:38:02    Mr. Wolf, Mr. Wilson? I'm sorry. Dawn. Corcoran. Just one question. Hi, how you doing? The, the permit that you're making reference to, is that, will that just be for footing and foundation only?  
Speaker 18    01:38:15    I don't think we were so limited, but Ron is here and he can better speak to what actually is is, you know, up for doing right now. That's, that's outside of my, my area. I don't get out there with the shovels too often,  
Speaker 12    01:38:29    Nor do I.  
Speaker 22    01:38:32    Yeah. Thank you. Dawn. I'll run all back. You know, Dawn, to answer your question, you know, we're at the point now where, you know, we're at the mercy of the Township. We really take whatever we can get. I mean, obviously we'd like to get full, full permit. There is obviously restrictions in there for co for a desal lane. Hopefully this will be resolved long before that. But, you know, we want to keep moving forward. So we would, we would ask for full billing permits, but obviously I'd like to hear from the other members of the board.  
Speaker 18    01:39:06    Yeah, that's really it. Dawn and, and, and Tom, we, we just don't think there's anything in that resolution that would prohibit this. And we wanna make sure that, well, it's not being just overly friendly, but I wanna make sure that nothing happens bad to the zoning officer or building permit persons who issues it by say, having someone say, Hey, you shouldn't have done that. So we're at a abundance of caution here to request confirmation that my reading of the resolution and the conditions is correct.  
Speaker 4     01:39:35    And, and having read it, I would, I would tend to agree with you Mr. Wolfson, so appreciate that. We appreciate you coming before the board. Always better to ask for, for blessing than forgiveness. So  
Speaker 18    01:39:47    I I know some people who think the opposite. True, true. Not the ones involved in this particular application though. Yeah.  
Speaker 4     01:39:56    So if, if the board has no objection, essentially he's just seeking acknowledgement that there's nothing in the resolution and, and having drafted it, I don't see anything in the resolution that would prevent the zoning officer from issuing the building permits,  
Speaker 18    01:40:18    Zoning permit and building permit,  
Speaker 4     01:40:19    Zoning permit and building permit. Any board members have any questions or objections? Yes. Hearing none.  
Speaker 0     01:40:35    Hearing none, there is no objections by the board to, for, to the proposal that's been presented  
Speaker 18    01:40:41    Could, I'm not sure how formally or informally the board would, would handle the decision or the confirmation, but perhaps, I don't know, maybe Dawn or the someone else could help Mr. Barlow in directing what it is that he should say, perhaps in a letter or the board should say in a letter to them that there there is no prohibition or they're authorized or something to protect them as well.  
Speaker 4     01:41:05    I I'll be happy to, to draft a letter and forward it to Dawn. Thank  
Speaker 18    01:41:10    You. Works for me. I appreciate that. Mr. Barlow and Dawn. Thank you Mr. Mayor, members of the board. Madam. Chairman. Appreciate it very much. Do you have any questions? You reach out. I'm available.  
Speaker 4     01:41:22    Absolutely. Thank  
Speaker 18    01:41:23    You. Have a good night. Thanks much.  
Speaker 4     01:41:25    Okay. The next discussion item is an ordinance to amend and supplement the revised general ordinances of the Township of Skyway amending and supplementing chapter 21 zoning in reference to data centers. Dawn, if you wanna,  
Speaker 12    01:41:42    I can quickly go through that. So as the ordinances today, data centers aren't addressed whatsoever. As you are aware. We have numerous data centers throughout the municipality. We've always treated these as permitted uses. So basically this is just an amendment to the zoning ordinance. First to define what a data center is and to list it as a permitted principle use in the I one l, A five, M one, and M five zoning districts.  
Speaker 4     01:42:15    Does anyone have any questions?  
Speaker 0     01:42:18    No.  
Speaker 11    01:42:18    Mr. Barett, basically this is, this is codifying what's already out there.  
Speaker 4     01:42:23    Absolutely. It just gives more guidance to the borough's profession conscience professionals with regards to what is in is not a permitted use. So there no, no ambiguity going forward.  
Speaker 12    01:42:36    Exactly.  
Speaker 0     01:42:39    Board members, do you have any objection to us describing what that data centers are indeed permitted, specifically hearing? No objection from the board members.  
Speaker 4     01:42:55    I believe there's a, we need to do a vote.  
Speaker 0     01:42:59    You wanna make a motion, please?  
Speaker 4     01:43:01    Yeah. Dawn, you wanna make a motion or  
Speaker 12    01:43:04    I'll make that motion  
Speaker 1     01:43:10    A second please. Reverend Kinneally. I'll second it. Let's  
Speaker 0     01:43:17    Roll call. Mayor Wahler.  
Speaker 1     01:43:18    Yes. Mayor Wahler. Yes. Ms. Corcoran?  
Speaker 12    01:43:22    Yes.  
Speaker 1     01:43:22    Yes. Ms. Saunders? Yes. Yes. Reverend Kinneally. Yes. Mr. Atkins?  
Speaker 0     01:43:27    Yes. Yes.  
Speaker 1     01:43:28    Mr. Foster? Yes. And Madam chair.  
Speaker 0     01:43:32    Yes. Next  
Speaker 4     01:43:36    Item discussion. Yeah. Of the resolution  
Speaker 0     01:43:39    Is a resolution  
Speaker 2     01:43:41    Madam Madam chair. I like to moralize the resolution for the ordinance to amend and supplement the revised general ordinance of the Township for data centers.  
Speaker 0     01:43:55    Do I have a second? Second  
Speaker 23    01:43:57    I second it.  
Speaker 0     01:43:58    Call  
Speaker 1     01:44:01    Mayor Wahler.  
Speaker 11    01:44:02    Yes.  
Speaker 1     01:44:03    Yes. Ms. Corcoran? Yes.  
Speaker 12    01:44:05    Yes.  
Speaker 1     01:44:05    Ms. Saunders?  
Speaker 2     01:44:06    Yes. Yes.  
Speaker 1     01:44:07    Reverend Kinneally. Yes. Mr. Atkins? Yes.  
Speaker 4     01:44:10    Yes.  
Speaker 1     01:44:11    Mr. Foster? Yes. And Madam chair.  
Speaker 0     01:44:14    Yes.  
Speaker 4     01:44:17    Next is an discussion on the ordinance to amend and supplement the revised general ordinances of the Township of Piscataway amending and supplementing Chapter 24 site plan review in reference to off street parking for dental and medical uses.  
Speaker 12    01:44:33    So within a site plan ordinance, we only have a parking standard for doctors and dentists, as Tom just said. This is, this is to add an off street parking requirement for physician assistants, nurse practitioners, or other medical personnel.  
Speaker 0     01:44:50    We need any discussion on this. Members of the board.  
Speaker 3     01:44:56    I make a motion that this be granted for, for nurses and, and other than the medical and dental use,  
Speaker 23    01:45:04    I second it.  
Speaker 0     01:45:05    Roll call  
Speaker 1     01:45:08    Mayor Wahler.  
Speaker 11    01:45:10    Yes.  
Speaker 1     01:45:10    Yes. Ms. Corcoran?  
Speaker 12    01:45:12    Yes.  
Speaker 1     01:45:13    Yes. Ms. Saunders?  
Speaker 2     01:45:14    Yes. Yes.  
Speaker 1     01:45:15    Reverend Kinneally. Yes. Mr. Atkins?  
Speaker 4     01:45:18    Yes.  
Speaker 1     01:45:18    Yes. Mr. Foster? Yes. And Madam chair?  
Speaker 0     01:45:22    Yes.  
Speaker 4     01:45:23    I believe we have a resolution for that also. Madam chair? Yes.  
Speaker 0     01:45:27    Ms. Ms. Saunders.  
Speaker 2     01:45:30    Okay. Madam chair. I'd like to memorialize the resolution for the amended ordinance and supplemental for chapter 24 site plan review for off street parking for medical and dental uses.  
Speaker 0     01:45:45    I have a second.  
Speaker 4     01:45:47    I can Second. Second sir.  
Speaker 0     01:45:48    Roll call.  
Speaker 1     01:45:50    Mayor Wahler. Yes.  
Speaker 11    01:45:52    Yes.  
Speaker 1     01:45:52    Ms. Corcoran?  
Speaker 12    01:45:54    Yes.  
Speaker 1     01:45:54    Yes. Ms. Saunders?  
Speaker 2     01:45:56    Yes. Yes.  
Speaker 1     01:45:57    Reverend Kinneally. Yes. Mr. Atkins?  
Speaker 4     01:45:59    Yes.  
Speaker 1     01:46:00    Yes. Mr. Foster? Yes. And Madam chair? Yes.  
Speaker 4     01:46:06    The last step on the HIT parade is discussion for the amended or second Amended redevelopment plan for block 1 1 9 0 1 lot 22.15. Also known as 8 57 Hose Lane West. And I believe Mr. Clarkin is here for that.  
Speaker 24    01:46:23    I am. Good evening members of the board. I'll try and quickly go over this. I'm gonna share my screen. So I originally, well actually I forget when I originally did it. Probably 20 17, 20 18. But the latest revision was done in February, 2021, right after your master plan reexamination. So we just need to make a couple of changes to this redevelopment plan in order for the redeveloper to move forward with the site plan. And so I'm just gonna quickly go over those. I'm gonna skip to page nine. Or sorry, it's not on the P D F page six in the report at the bottom is the first change. So under accessory permitted uses for under swimming pools instead of rear rear yard areas, we're putting rear side yard areas. There's a couple lots where the side yards are sometimes a little bit bigger than the the backyard. So there may be space for them to put a pool there, but it still would be mostly the rear of the lot.  
Speaker 24    01:47:23    And then we're just adding storm water management facilities to be, to be clear that obviously those are permitted or accessory. And then moving on to page eight, we have a couple changes here. So first at the top, it's just clarifying that there is one lot in the subdivision that will be exclusively used for stormwater management. So this is basically saying it's that lot does not have to follow the bulk and accessory structure requirements because it's really just for stormwater. Then under building height, we're changing it from 35 feet to either 43 or 38 feet. And there's a little asterisk there. And that's because three of the homes will have walkout basements. So if you measured from the ground level at the basement and all the way to the top, it would be 43 feet. So it's just for those three buildings. But the rest will be 38.  
Speaker 24    01:48:15    And then under maximum building coverage, we just added a little clarification that that does not include swimming pools in that calculation. And then finally you'll see this little blurb here. So there is one lot, I believe it's a flag lot where it won't be able to comply with the minimum lot frontage. So basically it's saying minimum lot frontage shall be the same as minimum lot width, which as you can see is a hundred feet, a hundred feet except where road access occurs from a side yard. So that's where the flag lot comes in. It can only provide 20 feet of lot width. So that's why that is there. And then I think it's right on top of page 10, we're just making the storm water improvements be in accordance with R S I S.  
Speaker 24    01:49:05    And later on on that page, there's just also clearing up the R S I S standards for parking. So your minimum standard perpendicular is nine by 18. Your parallel parking space on the subdivision roadway roadway will be seven by 22. And then the width for the roadways will also follow R S I S guidelines. So 50 foot right away, 30 foot cart, way 16 foot travel way, no bike lane and a five foot sidewalk on both sides of the street. And I just wanna roll through and make sure I'm not missing anything. But I think yeah, that is the, those are all the changes. So we will get this cleaned up into a more formal format and send it over for the next council meeting.  
Speaker 11    01:49:56    If I, if I may Madam chair for Mr. Clark. And I wanna make sure that we have, as Dawn Corker knows for fiber optic lines in the development that there'd be underground conduit lines going to all the houses for fiber optic. You're gonna have to put a blurb in there, Jim, for that.  
Speaker 24    01:50:20    Sure. I can throw that out. The utilities,  
Speaker 11    01:50:21    It's being required with all the houses now that are being built.  
Speaker 24    01:50:25    Got it. Will do.  
Speaker 4     01:50:28    And Jim, I just have one question. Can you go back to page six?  
Speaker 24    01:50:31    Sure. Yeah.  
Speaker 4     01:50:36    So, okay. The only reason I ask is, you know, I know there was a different, there was another, there were changes that were going on and I just didn't have that rear side yard in B. Okay. Okay. So private residential swimming pools can be in the rear or side yard.  
Speaker 24    01:50:56    Yeah, when I was looking at the subdivision, I, I think there's only three lots where that could realistically happen and I think they're more like corner lots like you know, kind of along the cul-de-sac.  
Speaker 4     01:51:06    Okay.  
Speaker 24    01:51:08    But we can clarify that to make sure that's right.  
Speaker 4     01:51:11    Okay. I just wasn't sure but I just wanted to jot that down. Okay. So otherwise, other than those few changes you went over, the redevelopment plan is essentially the same one that this board had previously indicated to the Township council that they felt was consistent with the master plan, correct?  
Speaker 24    01:51:39    That's correct. Yep. Still single family only 14 units. None of that's changing. Just couple minor changes to bulk standards.  
Speaker 4     01:51:47    And none of the changes cause you to change your opinion that it's consistent with the master plan. Does it?  
Speaker 24    01:51:53    Yeah, it doesn't change that in my opinion. Okay.  
Speaker 0     01:52:05    Do we need a motion?  
Speaker 4     01:52:08    If the board doesn't have any questions, there would be a motion to recommend that the Township council adopt the second amended redevelopment plan for block 1 1 9 0 1 lot 22.15  
Speaker 0     01:52:22    Members of the board, do you have any objections or any questions about this request? Therefore we'll take a motion. Madam chair. Dawn Corcoran. I'll make that motion. Do I have a second? You'll sign Reverend Kinneally. I'll second it. Roll call Mayor Wahler.  
Speaker 11    01:52:45    Yes.  
Speaker 1     01:52:46    Yes. Ms. Corcoran? Yes. Yes. Ms. Saunders?  
Speaker 2     01:52:49    Yes. Yes.  
Speaker 1     01:52:51    Reverend Kinneally? Yes. Mr. Atkins?  
Speaker 0     01:52:54    Yes. Yes.  
Speaker 1     01:52:55    Mr. Foster?  
Speaker 11    01:52:56    Yes.  
Speaker 1     01:52:56    And Madam chair? Yes.  
Speaker 0     01:52:59    I believe we have a resolution of memorialize that also Madam chair respond.  
Speaker 2     01:53:07    Excuse me. Yes. I'm Madam chair. I'd like to memorialize the application for ordinance to amend and supplement, oh, wait a minute. Sorry. Reading on, on the wrong sheet. I'm going back and forth. I'd like to memorialize the amended redevelopment plan for block 1 1 9 0 1 lot 22.5.  
Speaker 0     01:53:31    Second. We have a second. Second. Second. Roll call.  
Speaker 1     01:53:38    Mayor Wahler.  
Speaker 0     01:53:39    Yes. Yes.  
Speaker 1     01:53:40    Ms. Corcoran? Yes. Yes. Ms. Saunders?  
Speaker 2     01:53:43    Yes.  
Speaker 1     01:53:44    Yes. Reverend Kinneally. Yes. Mr. Atkins?  
Speaker 0     01:53:47    Yes.  
Speaker 1     01:53:48    Yes. Mr. Foster? Yes. And Madam chair?  
Speaker 0     01:53:52    Yes. I have nothing much. We have, we have completed our agenda for the night. Remind everybody that our site division meeting is on September the 27th. And everyone be safe and happy.  
Speaker 11    01:54:07    Madam chair, if I may add before we adjourn, I wanted to switch those celebrating Rosh Hashanah. Happy New Year  
Speaker 0     01:54:15    And likewise. I wish the same. Okay, you  
Speaker 11    01:54:20    In October?  
Speaker 0     01:54:21    Yep. Yes. Bye-bye.  
Speaker 2     01:54:23    Bye-bye.  
Speaker 0     01:54:24    Bye-bye. Have a good night, Al.  
Speaker 2     01:54:27    Thanks. You too.