Transcript for Piscataway Planning meeting on May 8 2024

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Speaker 0     00:00:00    The Piscataway Township Planning Board meeting will please come to order. Adequate notice of this meeting was provided in the following ways. Notice published in the Courier News notice posted on the bulletin board of the municipal building notice made available to the township clerk notice sent to the Courier News and the star ledger. Mr. Barlow, would you please read the open Public meeting Notice?  
Speaker 1     00:00:27    Certainly. Madam chair. This meeting is being done in conformity with the Divid Department of Community Affair Guidelines on virtual meetings. And it's appropriate to go forward in this fashion.  
Speaker 0     00:00:37    Thank you. Roll call.  
Speaker 2     00:00:40    Mayor Wahler. Present. Councilwoman. Cahill.  
Speaker 0     00:00:48    She's here. She must have  
Speaker 2     00:00:49    Gabby, you're muted. She's here. Ms. Corcoran? Here. Reverend Kinneally? Here. Mr. Atkins? Here. Mr. Foster's not here. Mr. Ahmed? Not yet. And Madam chair  
Speaker 0     00:01:06    Here. Could everybody to see the flag over my right shoulder? Please let us pledge allegiance to the flag in unison, please. I pledge Allegiance. Allegiance to the flag of the United States. United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice. And justice  
Speaker 2     00:01:36    For all. For  
Speaker 0     00:01:37    Thank you. We have professionals to be sworn in.  
Speaker 1     00:01:43    Chris Dne, if could just swear you in. You swear the testimony you'll give before this board this evening will be the whole truth, so help you God? Yes,  
Speaker 2     00:01:51    I do. Okay.  
Speaker 0     00:01:53    Thank you. Mr. Barlow. Are there any changes to tonight's agenda? Yes.  
Speaker 1     00:01:57    Madam chair items number 10, 11, and 12 are postponed until the June 13th, 2024. Meeting number 10 is a discuss  
Speaker 0     00:02:08    Discussion. I believe it's the 12th. I think Wednesday's on the 12th. If we'll check our calendars.  
Speaker 2     00:02:15    Yes, it's the 12th. My apologies.  
Speaker 1     00:02:17    All right. Is Wednesday June 12th. So item 10, which is deals with block 3, 7, 0 2, lot two. Whether or not it meets the criteria for an area in need of redevelopment is being moved to the June 12th, 2024 meeting. Item 11, which is the addendum to the redevelopment plan for block 1 7 0 1 lot 2.0 3, 4100 New Brunswick Avenue is being postponed until the June 13th, 2024 meeting and item 12, which is a discussion to authorize foresight to amend the redevelopment plan for block 9 2 0 1 lots. 46.20 is also being postponed until the June 13th, 2024 meeting. Any of those matters that have been noticed, there will be no further notice. The matters will be heard at that time. Thank you. Madam chair.  
Speaker 0     00:03:14    Thank you. Item number 13 DS 1525 Washington, LLC Preliminary and final site plan meeting. I mean site plan.  
Speaker 1     00:03:27    Madam chair. I think we have to pay the bills and adopt the minutes.  
Speaker 0     00:03:30    Oh, I'm sorry. Yeah, that's okay. I meant to do that too. Can we get and announce a motion to play the duly dually audited bills?  
Speaker 3     00:03:39    Madam chair, Reverend Kinneally, I make a motion that we pay the bills.  
Speaker 0     00:03:44    Do I have a second  
Speaker 2     00:03:46    One? Court grant. I'll second.  
Speaker 0     00:03:47    Thank you. Roll call.  
Speaker 2     00:03:52    Mayor Wahler. Yes. Councilwoman Cahill. Yes. Ms. Corcoran? Yes. Reverend Kinneally.  
Speaker 3     00:04:00    Yes.  
Speaker 2     00:04:01    Mr. Ahmed? Nope. And Madam chair?  
Speaker 0     00:04:05    Yes. Item number eight, adoption of resolution to memorialized action. Taken on April the 10th, 2024. Ms.  
Speaker 1     00:04:14    None. We'll have  
Speaker 0     00:04:15    It. There's none tonight. No. Okay. Item number nine, adoption of the minutes from the regular meeting of April 10th, 2024.  
Speaker 3     00:04:23    Madam chair. I make a motion that we adopt the minutes for April 10th, 2024.  
Speaker 0     00:04:29    Thank you. Do I have a second?  
Speaker 2     00:04:31    Dylan Corcoran. I'll second.  
Speaker 0     00:04:33    Thank you. Roll call.  
Speaker 2     00:04:34    Mayor Wahler. Yes. Councilwoman. Cahill. Yes. Ms. Corcoran? Yes. Reverend Kinneally. Yes. Mr. Atkins? Yes. And Madam chair?  
Speaker 0     00:04:46    Yes. And now we get to item number 13, which is 23 PB 11 dash 12 V as in Victor DS 1525 Washington, LLC for preliminary and final site plan.  
Speaker 4     00:05:03    Good evening. Madam chair. Yes, Mr. Sorry. It's David Persad from Bob Smith's office. Okay,  
Speaker 0     00:05:09    Thank you.  
Speaker 4     00:05:11    So good evening, Madam chair and members of the board. Name is David Psad, licensed attorney in the state of New Jersey here tonight representing DS 1525 Washington LLC seeking preliminary and final site plan with bulk variances. The property is located at 1525 South Washington Avenue, block 53 0 1 lot 1501 in the LI five zone. The property is 140 3080 square feet. It's a regularly shaped lot and it has frontage along South Washington Avenue in the amount of 179 point 80 feet. Currently there is a 28,405 square foot warehouse, and the rear yard is an uns stripped dirt and gravel area that's in the rear. The applicant tonight is seeking preliminary and final site plan approval with bulk variances to install parking or asphalt in the rear yard and striping for trailer storage spaces. And they're also proposing 24 parking sp passenger vehicle parking spaces throughout the site.  
Speaker 4     00:06:22    The applicant's also seeking a retaining wall with a fence above it on the south side of the property and proposing an elevated loading pier on the south side of the building. There are a few variances that we are seeking bulk variances that we are seeking tonight. A few of them are existing. The existing variances are for minimum lot area where 215,000 square feet is required in the zone and 140 3080 square feet is existing. We're also seeking minimum lot width where 300 feet is required and 7179.8 feet is existing and minimum lot frontage where 300 feet is required. 179.8 feet is also existing. There is an existing side yard setback variance on the north side of the property where 50 feet is required and 35.5 feet is existing. And we are proposing a change to the side yard setback on the south side of the property where 50 feet is required and 20.3 feet is proposed due to the loading area that we're proposing on the south side of the building.  
Speaker 4     00:07:30    The new variances that we are seeking is for a wall, a retaining wall and fence that's located behind the front yard setback and it exceeds eight feet in height. The total height is nine feet because it is a five foot retaining wall with a four foot fence above on top of it. We are seeing a variance for parking in the front yard where it is required to be 25 feet away from the parking line. And we are proposing 24.5 feet from the property line. And we're also seeking a variance for a freestanding sign, where's supposed to be 50 feet from the property line. We're proposing 25.4 feet from the property line. There's also an existing sign there that is the new sign and will replace the existing sign. We have three witnesses tonight. We have the applicant, Levi Drew, who's here to represent D DS 1525 Washington, LLC. We have our professional engineer, Mr. Thomas Mueller from Dynamic Engineering, and we have a traffic engineer, Craig Paraguay from Dynamic Traffic. We also will be addressing four staff reports that we re received from the town. We have the DNR engineering report dated February 27th, 2024. We have a planning report from CME dated February 26th, 2024. We have the Township of Piscataway report from Mr. Hinterstein dated February 29th, 2024. And finally, the traffic report from Dolan and Dean dated February 5th, 2024.  
Speaker 4     00:09:06    If the board has no questions for me, I would like to introduce our first witness and have him sworn in  
Speaker 1     00:09:13    Call your first witness, Ms. Madam chair. Just before we do that, I've been told that Ms. Dolan, the the board's traffic expert is on the call. I'm just trying to, oh, there she is. Here I am. I'm here. I'm just go Ms. Dolan, I'm just gonna swear you in. Oh, there you to comment on any of the applications going forward. I don't have to keep doing it. Okay, sure. Do you swear the testimony you give before the board tonight will be the whole truth, so help you God? Yes, I do. Perfect. And I'm sorry, your first witness, sir,  
Speaker 4     00:09:47    For the first witness, I'd like to call Mr. Levi Drew, who's here to represent the applicant.  
Speaker 1     00:09:53    Okay. Just gonna trying to find them.  
Speaker 5     00:09:57    Yes. Am I coming through?  
Speaker 1     00:09:59    You are orally, not visually.  
Speaker 5     00:10:05    See that?  
Speaker 1     00:10:10    Oh, there you are.  
Speaker 6     00:10:11    I can change it. Can you change? I  
Speaker 1     00:10:13    Can change. Okay, sir, if you could state your name, spell your last name for the record and give us your professional address.  
Speaker 5     00:10:22    Sure. Levi Drew. It's LEVI. Last name is Drew, DREW. And my address. What do you want the business, business address?  
Speaker 1     00:10:34    That's fine.  
Speaker 5     00:10:35    Sure. It's 1421 38th Street, Brooklyn, New York. It's 1 1 2, 1 8.  
Speaker 1     00:10:42    You may proceed. Ms. Do, I'm sorry. Your zip again, sir? The zip, sir?  
Speaker 5     00:10:49    1, 1 2 1 8.  
Speaker 1     00:10:52    Okay. Can you raise your right hand? Do you swear the testimony given before this board will be the whole truth?  
Speaker 5     00:10:59    Yes.  
Speaker 1     00:10:59    You're a witness, sir.  
Speaker 4     00:11:01    Thank you. Mr. Drew, if you can please tell the board your position at the company and your role with this project.  
Speaker 5     00:11:09    Yes. I'm partner in this property and, and 1525 Washington have LLC. We invested in this, in this building and the property, and we're trying to upgrade it according to the, you know, the, the zones and make it safe. And, and, and according to the, and we bought it, it was the original owner that put up the building. He was the, you know, the first owner of this and had it for 40 years. We took it over and we, you know, it was never upgraded to the, to the newest, you know, rules and regulations. So we're trying to bring it up to up to date and, you know, because we're gonna be putting in all the money and everything we need to do to bring it to that, we wanna make sure that it's gonna be rentable and feasible for any, any tenant that could use it for good use. So we're trying to, you know, make it, make it, you know, the best we can. We can rent it and, and the best, best possible scenario should be, you know, safe and and usable for, for, for that area and for that, for that usage for, for this property and this building. Okay.  
Speaker 4     00:12:23    Thank you. So for the proposal tonight, you are providing, or you are proposing 39 trailer storage spaces, is that correct?  
Speaker 5     00:12:34    Yeah, for the back of the building.  
Speaker 4     00:12:37    And also 11 off street vehicle passenger, passenger vehicle spaces. Is that correct? Correct. You're also going to be providing 10 passenger vehicle parking spaces in the front of the property, is that correct?  
Speaker 5     00:12:51    Correct.  
Speaker 4     00:12:53    And there's additional striping happening for three parking spaces on the south side of the building, is that correct?  
Speaker 5     00:12:59    Correct.  
Speaker 4     00:13:01    So a total of 24 passenger vehicle spaces will be provided as part of this proposal, is that correct?  
Speaker 5     00:13:07    Correct.  
Speaker 4     00:13:09    And also, there's a retaining wall and a fence above that retaining wall on the south side of the property, is that correct?  
Speaker 5     00:13:15    Yes.  
Speaker 4     00:13:17    And you're also providing a loading pier on the south side of the building, is that correct? Yes. Okay. And the proposed use for this property is going to continue as a warehouse, is that still true?  
Speaker 5     00:13:30    Yes. Yes. Was still warehouse.  
Speaker 4     00:13:33    Can you describe for me the cur, sorry, excuse me. The current use of the, the site right now?  
Speaker 5     00:13:39    Yeah, now it's vacant. It's all cleaned out. There's nothing there now.  
Speaker 4     00:13:44    Okay. And as you mentioned, you're seeking these improvements to optimize the space for a potential tenant to come in and rent the building. Is that true?  
Speaker 5     00:13:53    Correct.  
Speaker 4     00:13:54    Okay. And you don't have at this very moment a particular tenant in mind, is that correct?  
Speaker 5     00:13:59    No, no. Nothing it with, we may use it, you know, we're, we're expanding our businesses, but it's, if we don't use it, then we would look to, to extent, you know, to get a tenant. We also have a business in Brooklyn. We're thinking of moving it over to Thisaway, but if that doesn't work, we'd look for a tenant. Understood. Thank you. My class business, but if that doesn't work out we'll look for a tenant.  
Speaker 4     00:14:25    Okay. Thank you. I have no more questions for this witness. If the board has any questions,  
Speaker 0     00:14:30    Members of the board, do you have any questions of this witness? Mr. Levi? Hearing no questions, can we open it up to the public? Ms. Buckley, anyone in the public wishing to ask any questions of this witness? Would you signify by flashing your hand signal?  
Speaker 2     00:14:55    No. Madam chair,  
Speaker 1     00:14:57    Ms. You would that Mr. Ahad is now on.  
Speaker 0     00:15:04    We note that Mr. Ahad has joined the meeting. I'll have it.  
Speaker 2     00:15:07    Hi, bet chair.  
Speaker 0     00:15:10    Close to the public. You can call your next witness. Mr. Poso.  
Speaker 4     00:15:15    Thank you Madam chair. My next witness will be our professional engineer, Mr. Thomas Mueller from Dynamic Engineering. I'd ask that the board swear him in, please.  
Speaker 1     00:15:24    Okay. Mr. Mueller, if you could state your name, spell your last name, and give us your professional address. Sir.  
Speaker 8     00:15:32    Sir, it's Thomas Mueller, dynamic Engineering Consultants, 1904 Main Street, lake Como, New Jersey. 0 7 7 1 9  
Speaker 1     00:15:41    M-U-L-L-E-R?  
Speaker 8     00:15:42    Yes.  
Speaker 1     00:15:43    Okay. You raise your right hand. You swear the testimony you give before this board will be the whole truth?  
Speaker 8     00:15:47    Yes, I do.  
Speaker 1     00:15:49    You're a witness, sir.  
Speaker 4     00:15:51    Mr. Mueller, if you can provide your qualifications to the board, please.  
Speaker 8     00:15:56    Absolutely. I'm a licensed professional engineer in the state of New Jersey in good standing. I'm also a licensed professional planner in good standing in the state of New Jersey. I have my Bachelor's of Science and Master's of Science in Civil Engineering from Rutgers University. I have over 13 years of experience in the civil engineering field. Currently employed as a senior principal with Dynamic Engineering Consultants. I've been with the firm for over 11 years. I've designed many similar projects to this personally visited this site and we're, I was personally involved and directly overseeing the, the design of this project I presented in front of many planning zoning boards throughout the new j throughout New Jersey.  
Speaker 0     00:16:40    Thank you. You may proceed. Thank you Mr.  
Speaker 4     00:16:41    Muller. Thank you. Madam chair. Great. Mr. Mueller, if you can please go through the site plan description of the property and the proposed improvements, and then we can address the staff reports received by the township professionals.  
Speaker 8     00:16:56    Absolutely. I have two very simple exhibits that I'll just share my screen. Okay. Can you see the aerial map exhibit here? All right. So this is just an aerial  
Speaker 1     00:17:14    Map, Mr. Mr. Mueller. We're just gonna mark any exhibits that you put up as a one, the next one, a two, et cetera. And no, so this is a one and if you could just briefly describe what it is. Thank you. Yep.  
Speaker 8     00:17:28    Exhibit A one is an aerial map exhibit prepared by my office dated May 8th, 2024. It's simply a colorized aerial image showing the existing conditions on the site and the surrounding properties within generally 200 feet of the site. Just gonna quickly use this exhibit to describe the existing site and surrounding areas. David did a great job of, of explaining the existing site, so I'm not gonna spend too much time on this, but it's existing block 53 0 1 lot 15.01. It's identified as 1525 South Washington Avenue, which is also identified as county Route 6 65. We're in the township of Piscataway. We have about 180 linear feet of frontage on South Washington Avenue. That is our only public right of way frontage. South Washington is three lane roadway northbound, two lane roadway southbound with a centerized dual left turn lane. South Washington also chokes down to two, two lanes in each direction immediately south of our site site's, generally rectangular. It is a very narrow lot. It's about 3.3 acres in size. As was previously mentioned. The site's been historically developed as a warehouse since the early 1980s. Over time, it's become very dilapidated and the proposal here is to clean up the site and formally convert this building to a warehouse with trailer storage. In the back.  
Speaker 8     00:18:53    We are in the LI five lay industrial zone, which does permit warehousing and trailer storage. The existing site has one very narrow, full movement driveway to South Washington Avenue surrounding uses to the north. We have the LI five zone as well as the GB general business zone. There's a number of commercial uses and industrial uses to the north. We have a welder rental shop. We have the Popeye's and seven 11 development to north of that. And then immediately to north of that is Stelton Avenue to the east. We also have the LI five zone. We have a number of self-storage users and industrial users to the east to the south. Again, LI five zone commercial industrial uses. And then to the west we have South Washington Avenue self storage, and then some large warehouses to the west.  
Speaker 8     00:19:48    Like I mentioned, existing site is, is dilapidated. It's not, it's not well defined in terms of development. There's an existing building there, which we are converting that I'll touch on in a minute. There is a small parking area along the front, along the western portion of the building, all of which is being reconstructed and jumping right into the proposed site here, this will be exhibit A two. Exhibit A two is a site plan rendering prepared by my office dated May 8th, 2024. This is a colorized version of the site plan design, identical to what the board has received. Simply just shows the, the landscaping around the site, different hatches for the different covers of land that we have. The grays are asphalt, the, the tan colors, the, the existing building and it shows the striping and, and everything throughout the site.  
Speaker 8     00:20:52    So we are here seeking preliminary and final major site plan approval. As David mentioned, we did receive a series of professional review letters, all of which we are in full agreement with. There are a few items that we were requested to clarify, which I'll touch on quickly throughout my testimony. But we did review those, those review letters in great detail and we have no issue addressing those comments. We also had the benefit of attending a technical review committee meeting where we went through the review letters, and I believe we're on the same page as the board professionals. So just a high level summary of the development. Again, this is a simple warehouse conversion. The existing building will remain. The only addition to that building is a small three inches square foot loading dock pier at the southern portion of the building, which will serve tractor trailers, which I'll touch on in a minute.  
Speaker 8     00:21:43    The existing building is broken up into a, a front office portion, which is on the west side of the building. And then the rest of the rectangular portion of the back is warehousing. So the front portion of the office is about 5,640 square feet. And the rear warehouse component is approximately 22,765 square feet. We're proposing a total of 24 parking spaces, which includes a DA compliant parking spaces, as well as electric vehicles parking spaces. We are proposing two load, two total loading spaces, one of which is here at the, the loading dock pier, and the second of which is in the rear of the building with an existing loading dock door along the back of the building. And then we're also proposing 39 total trailer storage stalls in the rear of the site. As you could see on the east side, the right side of the, the exhibit, just to give you a general idea of, of our site plan design thought process, like I mentioned, the existing site has a very narrow driveway that serves the site.  
Speaker 8     00:22:52    It's technically a full movement driveway under existing conditions, but we recognize the fact that wet Washington Avenue is essentially a six-lane roadway in this area. And through coordination with the design team, with the township professionals and as well as the county professionals, we've designed this project to eliminate any lefts out or lefts into the site. So this is a simple right in right out project where vehicles will be required to travel from the south into the site, and then they'll be required to exit the site and go north back onto Washington Avenue. So we have a very narrow site, as I mentioned. So we are proposing a, an ingress in driveway at the northern portion of the site and egress only driveway on the southern portion of the site. So as vehicles enter the site, they could either exit or they could maneuver to the rear of the site, or they could maneuver to the front of the site. In the front we have passenger vehicle parking, so tractor trailers will be prohibited from this front area along the western portion of the building. But then our tractor trailer deliveries will be routed to the back of the site where they could utilize the trailer storage area or they could utilize the loading areas for the existing building. Then as vehicles leave, obviously they just exit out the driveway back onto South Washington Avenue.  
Speaker 8     00:24:16    In terms of zoning, we did review the CME review letter in, in great detail. We, we agree with the outlined variances and design waivers that they clearly out outlined in their letter. I'm just gonna touch quickly on, on, on a few of these items. But there are a number of bulk standards that this project complies with. Minimum lot depth, 300 feet, feet is required. We have 726 feet of depth, so we are compliant. The ordinance also requires an 80 foot front yard setback. This, this building is currently 81.2 feet from the front yard, so it is compliant. Then the rear yard setback is required to be 50 feet and we are well over 50 feet to the rear of the site. The building height maximum is 50 feet, where the existing building is well under 50 feet in height. Maximum building coverage is 50% and we're only at approximately 19.8%.  
Speaker 8     00:25:13    So we're more than less than half of what's allowed. And then minimum floor area required is 20,000 square feet, but we're at 28,000 square feet. So we meet that requirement. A few existing nonconformities, as David mentioned, lot area 215,000 square feet is required. We're proposing under existing emissions 140 3080 square feet. So that's an existing condition that will remain minimum lot width is 300 foot required. We have 172 feet existing that's not being exacerbated as part of this project. Lot frontage. 300 feet is required. We have 179.9 feet. And then the minimum side yard setbacks to the northern portion of the building ordinance requires a 50 foot setback. The existing building is 35.5 feet from that side property line. So that, that is an existing and non-conformity. And then to the southern portion of the building, again, ordinance requires a 50 foot setback. The existing building is 35.2 feet, but when we add this elevated loading dock, we're at 20.3 feet.  
Speaker 8     00:26:27    Apologize for parking. As I mentioned, we're proposing a total of 24 parking spaces. The board traffic engineer did confirm that they agree with our calculation, but I believe the, the board landscape architect and CME requested some additional information on that. Our original thought process was to use the warehouse parking calculation, which is one parking space per 2000 square feet for warehouse uses. But it was requested that we break out the office for this component. So once we break out the 22,765 square feet of warehouse and the 5,640 square feet of office, the parking requirement per the ordinance would be 40 total parking spaces required. And like I mentioned, we have 24 total parking spaces for a use like this. We look at industry standard, we look at ITE, we look at the Institute of Transportation Engineer Standards. What we see is that 0.37 parking spaces are required for each 1000 square feet of warehouse uses, which includes the what the office component. So using that ratio per ITE standards, we would only require 11 parking stalls. And like I mentioned, we're proposing 24 parking stalls, which is, in our opinion is a, a suitable number of parking stalls for use of this nature. So in the event the board does decide we do need a variance, is our opinion that this project is more than sufficient in terms of parking and that this, the site will certainly operate efficiently with the 24 parking spaces that are proposed.  
Speaker 8     00:28:10    All the parking spaces are nine by 18 in size. There was a mention in the planner's letter that obviously our a DA stall is eight feet wide. That does require design waiver technically because it's not nine feet wide. But once you include the, the hatched area for that a DA stall, the parking stall itself is actually 16 feet wide, which is more than what the ordinance requires. We also have a number of drive aisles throughout the buil throughout the site, there were comments from the board professionals to consider making the Southern drive aisle one way, considering the, the narrow nature of that drive aisle. The applicant and my office have no problem complying with that. So this driveway to the south of the building will become a one-way driveway that will not, that will not negatively impact the, the site operations sites being designed for a DA compliance.  
Speaker 8     00:29:04    We are proposing a sidewalk along the frontage. There are existing sidewalks throughout the site in front of the building to allow the parking areas to access the building. There is a design waiver required because there is no sidewalk provided for the 11 stalls along the north and then the three stalls along the south of the building. But again, it's a very small site. Those parking stalls are easily accessible into the building and throughout the site. So in our opinion, the additional impervious coverage and, and components associated with requiring a sidewalk or are not necessary. So we think the design waiver is suitable and reasonable.  
Speaker 8     00:29:46    Board professionals also did ask us to provide additional striping assignments throughout the site, which we have no problem with. And it was also requested that the refuse enclosure in the rear of the site be solid fencing, which we, we also have no problem doing the loading complies with the ordinance in terms of the number of stalls we are required to provide two and we are providing two. There was a request for clarification on the clearance for these loading docks. 14 feet required in the ordinance, which these are open air loading areas, so we do provide more than 14 foot clearance. And then the, the size of these loading areas, 12 by 50 is required by the ordinance. The proposed loading dock pier provides much more than 12 by 50 in size. And then the loading dock in the rear shares the dry vial in the rear of the site. So there's more than 12 by 50 feet easily available for, for tractor trailers to temporarily store in this area. But because there is basically an overlap between the dry vial and that loading area, technically a design waiver is required.  
Speaker 8     00:30:57    As I mentioned, the driveways are being reconstructed for right and right out out, this is being reviewed by the county. We have gone back and forth with them on their technical comments. We are expecting their approval very shortly. They are, they are accepting our driveway design at this point. We're just finalizing some few minor details. There was a request for us to clarify the, the angle of these driveways. The ordinance requires a maximum of a 60 degree angle, the northern driveway's at 75 degrees and the southern driveways at 110 degrees. So we, we are compliant with the ordinance there. We do need a, a design waiver for the setback for these driveways. 10 feet's required, but we have less than 10 feet. This is just a simply a function of the, the narrowness of the site and the, the driveway design that's required for the site. The driveways have been designed to accommodate WB 67 tractor trailers without conflict. And I believe your, your board traffic engineers in agreement with the truck circulation that was presented quickly. Just touching on grading and stonewater. This project is a major development defined by the state and local codes. We are completely compliant with the state and local codes with current regulations that were established as recently of as July of last year. So we are providing green tds green infrastructure throughout the site, which includes previous pavement, green filtration devices, and then underground storage compartments.  
Speaker 8     00:32:35    As David mentioned in terms of the grading on the site, we do have a small section of retaining walls along the southern portion of the building. That's just simply to accommodate the gray change between our site and the adjacent property. We do need to provide a four foot high fence on top of that wall just for safety, for fall protection. So that does that com, those components equal about nine feet in height. The ordinance allows a maximum of eight feet, so there is a variance required for that wall and fence combination. We did review the board engineer's review letter. There was a number of stonewater comments, which we have, have no problem addressing directly with the board engineer. We're not proposing any improvements to the, or modifications to the existing utilities for the building. There are fully all full utility connections to the existing right of way.  
Speaker 8     00:33:30    So we're not proposing any modifications to that. In terms of landscaping, just quickly, we're providing a substantial evergreen buffer around, around the rear of the site to, to buffer the existing site from the neighbors. Right now there are, there is essentially no landscaping whatsoever in the rear. It's just gravel and dirt. So we're providing that substantial landscape buffer around, around the side and rear of the site. And we're also providing a number of landscape features along the front of the site to help improve the aesthetics of the site. We're providing shade trees and evergreen shrubs along the front of the building. There are a number of comments from the landscape architect, which we have no problem addressing. We'll provide additional landscaping in the front and we'll provide landscaping around the proposed monument sign along the front of the building.  
Speaker 8     00:34:23    In terms of lighting, we're providing all new LED light fixtures in the rear of the site. They'll all be, they'll all be shielded, rear rear shields to help prevent lighting spillage to the maximum extent practical to offsite properties. The lights are all downward facing. They're at a fixed position. They're not floodlights, they cannot be adjusted. So they will be for focused downward. And the light, the light is not visible. It's a full cutoff light in the rear of the site. We are providing the minimum light required for safe and efficient maneuvers and and operations in the back of the site. The board professionals requested some additional lighting and and analysis in front of the site. So we, we are more than happy to provide that to them, hopefully as a condition of approval. Should we get approval tonight.  
Speaker 8     00:35:14    Signage is completely compliant with the ordinance. It was requested that we reduce the freestanding sign height from 15 feet in height to a 10 foot monument sign height. Considering the use of this property and the neighboring signage packages, we agree with, with that recommendation. So we have no problem doing that. The only variance associated with the signage is simply the, the setback to the right of way. I believe a 50 foot setbacks required. We have 25.4 feet. That's simply because we're removing the existing sign and replacing with a, a new sign. And as you could see, based on the nature of this design, it just would not be possible to, to provide us a sign with a compliance setback. And lastly, just outside agencies, as I mentioned, we're in the process of, of pursuing county planning board approvals. We're also working with the township planning department to obtain any necessary sole erosion permits. And then we will be required to get a 5G three permit from the N-J-D-E-P once we do get solar erosion approval from, from the township. That's really it from, you know, high level of everything. I'd be happy to dive into the review letters more or, or go through anything else in more detail if you'd like.  
Speaker 4     00:36:34    Thank you. Mr. Mueller. Madam chair. I don't have any questions for Mr. Mueller. If the board has any questions for him.  
Speaker 0     00:36:43    Members of the board, you've heard the testimony of this witness, do you have any questions of him at this time?  
Speaker 9     00:36:49    Madam chair? I I actually have one question and pertaining to the sidewalks, is the applicant gonna put striping as if the sidewalks going across the ingress egress on South Washington Avenue?  
Speaker 8     00:37:02    Yes, there will be striped crosswalks. Okay. Not on this exhibit, but we, we have agreed to do that. Yep.  
Speaker 9     00:37:08    And then also have towards the other, the southerly portion of the property line right there, the site, because folks are actually walking on the grass right now. So at some point your next door neighbor is gonna have to have installed sidewalks, so it'll connect up.  
Speaker 8     00:37:28    Understood. Thank you. Okay,  
Speaker 9     00:37:31    That's all. Madam, chair.  
Speaker 0     00:37:33    Any other board members have questions of this witness?  
Speaker 3     00:37:37    Madam chair, Reverend Kinneally. In regards to the trailer parking spaces, are those gonna be loaded trailers, empty trailers or, or depends on who's going to rent the warehouse.  
Speaker 8     00:37:50    Exactly. Correct. It depends on who rents the warehouse. They could be empty. They could be loaded. Okay. But it's, it's, it's open to the tenant's discretion.  
Speaker 3     00:38:00    Okay. And what, what, what type of material are you trying to seek for this warehouse? It's no manufac, no manufacturing. Right?  
Speaker 8     00:38:13    Yeah. According to the applicant's testimony, it's just a standard distribution warehouse. To my knowledge, there will be no manufacturing on site. Okay. But there is no tenant identified at this point until we get further along with these land use approvals.  
Speaker 3     00:38:28    Okay. Okay. Thank you.  
Speaker 0     00:38:32    I'm gonna open it up to the public now. Madam chair.  
Speaker 1     00:38:35    I just  
Speaker 0     00:38:35    Had a quick more questions. Go  
Speaker 1     00:38:37    Ahead, Madam chair. I just had a quick Mr. Prasad, with regards to the other items that Mr. Mueller didn't specifically address in the Hinterstein report of February 29th, 2024, the applicant's going to agree to, has agreed to comply with them, correct?  
Speaker 4     00:38:51    I do believe he will. He will agree and comply with all the other comments. Unless Mr. Mueller has any other information on those comments,  
Speaker 0     00:39:01    Any other members of the board have questions of this witness?  
Speaker 10    00:39:05    Madam chair. Dawn Corcoran, it's not a, it's not a question, but it's just in item 20 of the staff report, it indicates there's two spare four inch electrical conduits that should be fiber optic conduits. I just wanted to make the applicant aware of that.  
Speaker 11    00:39:24    Yep.  
Speaker 0     00:39:24    Understood. I don't see any issue with that.  
Speaker 10    00:39:26    Thank you.  
Speaker 0     00:39:30    Any other questions of this witness? Okay, Ms. Buckley, I'm going to open it to members of the public. Members of the public. You have an opportunity to quest this question, this witness. If you have any questions, please indicate by waving your hand.  
Speaker 2     00:39:47    Can you please unshare your screen, Mr. Mueller? Yep. Thank you. There we go. I can see no one is raising their hand. Madam chair.  
Speaker 0     00:40:01    Okay. Close to the public. Mr. Poso, do you have another witness?  
Speaker 4     00:40:06    Yes, we have one more witness. It is our traffic engineer. Mr. Craig Parago from Dynamic Traffic. I've exited the board. Swear in.  
Speaker 1     00:40:16    Right. Sir, if you could state your name, spell your last name for the record and give us your professional address.  
Speaker 11    00:40:23    Sure. My name is Craig Peregoy. P-E-R-E-G-O-Y. Business address is 2 45 Main Street in Chester, New Jersey. Home address is here in Piscataway.  
Speaker 1     00:40:35    Okay. You raise your right hand. You swear the testimony you give before the board will be the whole truth?  
Speaker 11    00:40:40    I do.  
Speaker 1     00:40:40    You're witness.  
Speaker 4     00:40:42    Thank you Mr. Barlow. Mr. Parago, can you please give the board the benefits of your qualification please?  
Speaker 11    00:40:48    Sure. I have a bachelor's degree in civil engineering from Virginia Tech, a licensed professional engineer in New Jersey. I've been working as a traffic engineer for 24 years now. I've testified hundreds of times pretty much on a nightly basis throughout the state As an expert in traffic engineering,  
Speaker 0     00:41:06    You, you may proceed as a expert in traffic. Thank you.  
Speaker 4     00:41:11    Thank you. Madam chair. Mr. Pergo, if you can please describe the site circulation, the movements, ingress egress, and if you can address the traffic report by Ms. Betsy Dolan.  
Speaker 11    00:41:23    Sure, I'll keep it brief. I know you got a big good couple applications behind us. Really nothing but good things to say about this in terms of traffic impact and, and cleaning this up, you saw that the driveway configuration that Mr. Mueller pointed out is, is greatly improved from what there is today. And part of the goal of that, and this was in consultation with the county, was to make it so trucks can enter and exit the site from the rightmost lane rather than the, what they have to do today and swing out across multiple lanes of traffic to get in or out. So that's, that's what's behind that design, which is a big improvement as far as actual traffic generation, you heard it's the, the, the building staying the same. It's a warehouse today and it's gonna be a warehouse tomorrow. So the way we typically do traffic generation projections is based on the building square footage and the use, which is the same.  
Speaker 11    00:42:09    So really the trip generation potential or traffic generation potential of the site stays the same. The only difference is sort of formalizing that trailer storage in the back rather than just having it on dirt. It's, you know, formalized trailer storage. So just to sort of quantify how much traffic that generates, if it were, its its own standalone. I took a look at some research accounts that we did. The ITE considers trailer parking as part of the warehouse and, and some have it and some don't, but we took a look at sites, three sites in New Jersey that actually are just strictly trailer storage and did some research counts for them. We're trying to actually get in New Jersey, DOT to adopt these rates. And based on those research counts for trailer storage of this size, that would generate at most, during a, during a peak hour, nine trips, a trip is a vehicle either entering or exiting.  
Speaker 11    00:42:59    Typically you're looking at a significant increase in traffic being a hundred or more trips. That's what New Jersey, DOT says is a significant increase. So we're less than 10% of that. So to the extent that there would be any additional traffic generation beyond what's already could potentially occur, would the building be occupied? It's very insignificant and I think the improved access and just cleaning up the site far outweighs you know, that, that minimal increase in traffic generation. And that's really it. Like I said, I I, I drive by this side pretty much every day. I, I live here in town, so glad to see it getting cleaned up.  
Speaker 0     00:43:35    Oh, thank you. Members of the board. Do you have any questions of this witness? Ms. Oh, go ahead. Sorry.  
Speaker 1     00:43:45    I was just gonna say, does Ms. Dolan have any comments with regards to the traffic testimony?  
Speaker 0     00:43:52    Ms. Dolan, is she, maybe she, she's muted. I'm, I'm,  
Speaker 12    00:43:57    I'm here. Can you hear me now? Yeah, yeah. I'm fine with all of the testimony from both the engineer and the traffic engineer. I concur with the findings and I'm satisfied that they have addressed our comments.  
Speaker 0     00:44:10    Okay, thank you. I'm going to open it to the public hearing, no questions now from the members of the board, Ms. Buckley, members of the public, I'm opening up the questioning of this traffic engineer in this matter. If you have any questions, would you indicate your willingness to ans ask a question by waving the hand?  
Speaker 2     00:44:32    No. Madam chair.  
Speaker 0     00:44:33    Thank you. Close to the public. Mr. Paso, would you like to sum up or have anything else to say?  
Speaker 4     00:44:42    I have no comments for my professionals and their, their testimony that they provided tonight. I think they did a good job addressing all the staff reports and addressing any concerns of the board professionals and answering the questions of the boards board members. Excuse me, I have no further questions for them. And I would, I would ask the board, look favor upon this application.  
Speaker 0     00:45:02    Members of the board, you've heard the testimonies in this application. What is your pleasure? With reference to a motion?  
Speaker 10    00:45:09    Madam chair. Dawn Corcoran, I'd like to make a motion. We approve the application subject to the board. Professional reports sub also subject to the additional striping I was, was brought up at the, where the, there's a discontinuance of sidewalk sidewalks and I believe, I believe that is it.  
Speaker 0     00:45:35    Okay. Do I have a second?  
Speaker 8     00:45:37    Reverend Kinneally Madam chair. I'll second that motion.  
Speaker 0     00:45:40    Thank you. Roll call please.  
Speaker 2     00:45:41    Mayor? Wahler? Yes. Councilwoman Cahill? Yes. Ms. Corcoran? Yes. Reverend Kinneally. Yes. Mr. Atkins?  
Speaker 0     00:45:50    Yes.  
Speaker 2     00:45:51    Mr. Ah, hammed. Yes. And Madam chair.  
Speaker 0     00:45:55    Yes. Thank you everyone.  
Speaker 4     00:45:58    Thank you members of the board and Madam chair. I hope you guys have a great night.  
Speaker 0     00:46:01    Thank you. Thank you.  
Speaker 2     00:46:03    Thank you.  
Speaker 0     00:46:06    Item number 1424 PB zero one Kalpesh Biosciences, LLC for a preliminary and final site plan.  
Speaker 1     00:46:17    Just gimme one second. Madam chair.  
Speaker 0     00:46:20    Okay.  
Speaker 1     00:46:21    Back up and unpack.  
Speaker 2     00:46:25    I didn't send you that much stuff to  
Speaker 0     00:46:27    Mr. Christopher erd. Is  
Speaker 8     00:46:30    That is me. That's, I lemme know when you're ready to, when everybody's all set and ready to go.  
Speaker 0     00:46:36    Okay.  
Speaker 1     00:46:37    All good.  
Speaker 0     00:46:38    You may proceed, Mr. Er. Okay.  
Speaker 8     00:46:40    Good evening everyone. Good evening. As I'm chair said, my name is Christopher erd. I'm an attorney at Norris McLaughlin in, in Bridgewater, New Jersey. And I'm representing the applicant here, Cahill Vi Biosciences, LLC. And this is an application for preliminary and final site plan approval for some relatively minor additions to their existing operation, which is currently located on New England Avenue 20 New England Avenue. It's block 46 0 1 lot five. It's approximately a lot that's approximately five acres, an area they've been in operation for a while. They're a biopharmaceutical company as their name would suggest. The, the, the gist of the application is in what I would call the rear of the building. So the opposite side from New England Avenue. They want to put on a roughly 6,000 foot one story edition and approximately 77 qua 7,700 square foot, two story edition plus an emergency backup generator in the rear of the building.  
Speaker 8     00:48:03    They also have some minor improvements and changes to the landscaping and parking. And also, as we discussed at the workshop meeting, they're going to install a sidewalk along the frontage of New England Avenue, which is currently not there. There really are no variances here that are new. There's one that's existing previously approved for freestanding sign on a New England Avenue that was approved previously. The, the problem with that sign or the variance that was granted was because it's within six feet of the right of way and the setback is supposed to be 50 feet. So that variance has already been granted previously. So we're not really in the need for applying for it again, but we just draw it to your attention as your professionals did in your reports. There are a couple of minor waivers that we'll get to with regard to parking and landscaping.  
Speaker 8     00:49:13    Mostly having to do with the configuration of the lot and how those things can be, can be best dealt with. Of course the applicant would work with the professionals to, to fine tune things, but those are relatively minor and they're pointed out in the board's reports. And just before we head, head into testimony, I do have a few reports here. Just wanna make sure that we're all on the same page here. I have a report from the fire department that was dated January 30th, 2024. There's a memo from the division of Engineering and Planning dated March 12th, 2024. Oh, and by the way, I'm not going through the superseded reports. So some of these coming up are superseding reports. So the next one is May 1st, 2024 from Dolan and Dean. Then after that is from Delaware, rare and Engineering dated May 3rd, 2024. And the last one is from CME dated May 6th, 2024.  
Speaker 8     00:50:35    So we are not planning on going through every single item in all the reports. I'm sure nobody here wants to go through them line by line. Generally speaking, there's gonna be a, a will comply to every item, which is very helpful. Having workshop meetings. I wish every town would have those. As you know, as you probably know, a lot of towns don't. But that helps work through a lot of those issues ahead of time. So there may be a couple things that we need to just generally discuss, but they're, they're almost entirely gonna be, we'll comply with just some minor discussion on a couple of the items. Just for clarification purposes. So  
Speaker 10    00:51:19    Matt, I'm sorry, Madam chair, if I may, I just wanna, I apologize, this is Dawn Corin. Yeah, go ahead. The staff did issue a revised report dated April 22nd, 2024 based on the revised site plan drawings.  
Speaker 8     00:51:35    April 22nd you said?  
Speaker 10    00:51:37    Correct. There's nothing new in the report. If anything, several of the items were addressed and removed from that original March 12th report. So there, there is nothing new within this report. Oh,  
Speaker 8     00:51:51    I don't, yeah, I do not have that. That's okay. Strange. So the, when you say the staff, that would be the engineering department,  
Speaker 10    00:52:03    Myself, the landscape architect and our supervisor of engineering.  
Speaker 8     00:52:08    Okay. So that was dated what, April 22nd?  
Speaker 10    00:52:10    April 22nd, 2024. And again, it was just based on the revised site plan drawings that were submitted to our office. I think there's, there's 17 items within the report. Number 18 is just a requirement for Middlesex County.  
Speaker 8     00:52:29    Hmm. I, I apologize. I don't, I don't have a copy of that one. I don't know if sometimes those things happen when, when we is, when we get to, I usually do them a chronological order when we get to that one. Is it possible for, for you to  
Speaker 10    00:52:46    Yeah, I just resent it. Mr.  
Speaker 8     00:52:47    Herd what? Sorry, that again,  
Speaker 10    00:52:49    I just resent  
Speaker 8     00:52:50    It. Oh, okay. Thanks. Thanks  
Speaker 10    00:52:52    Laura. You're  
Speaker 1     00:52:52    Welcome. I, I think essentially what Dawn is saying is if you look at the March 12th, 2024 report of divisions of engineering planning and development, where there were 26 items your new site plans addressed, it sounds like eight of the items. So they took them out  
Speaker 8     00:53:12    Okay.  
Speaker 1     00:53:13    And left with 18 that were probably things like the sidewalk and the conduit line and the items that still would be conditions of approval  
Speaker 8     00:53:24    Or, okay. You know,  
Speaker 1     00:53:26    So they didn't add anything. They just, there's eight less things you had to worry about.  
Speaker 8     00:53:30    I gotcha. And they're all, I'm looking at it right now and thank you for sending that to me. It looks like they're all gonna be comply, but since literally this is the first time I'm seeing it and the other professionals who are on here haven't seen it at all, which is what I'm gonna do next is send it to them. If you don't mind, just gimme one second if you bear with me so I can do that. The wonders if technology  
Speaker 0     00:54:01    Hmm. It's fabulous.  
Speaker 1     00:54:04    Or the curse.  
Speaker 8     00:54:06    Yeah, or the curse. Exactly. Occasionally. Yeah. See if we were there in person, we would just pass it around. Right. Just there's a, there's a bunch of people I have to copy and paste all their email addresses. So I'm sorry, just bear with me. And just for those of you who are on here that are on my team, the, the Raylon just says staff when it comes through, almost there. Sent. Okay. So now everybody has it. Just let me go to my printer so I can get a copy of it. Thanks. That's one of the reasons why I like to go through at the beginning, the litany of reports because sometimes that happens. Okay. So are, with that being said, the first witness that I have is gonna be, unless anyone, unless the board has any other questions or or anything else for me, I, I'll like to move on. I  
Speaker 0     00:55:52    Believe we're ready for the  
Speaker 8     00:55:53    Witnesses. Sure. Okay. So the, the first witness is going to be from Cahill to just give a little bit of background on their company and why they are proposing what they're proposing. So that person should be mahu Sharma. Mahu. Yes. Are you there? Yeah.  
Speaker 13    00:56:20    Good evening to all member of the board. Thank you. I'm here. Good evening.  
Speaker 1     00:56:25    Can you turn on your camera sir?  
Speaker 8     00:56:26    Yeah, I don't see your video. Yeah,  
Speaker 13    00:56:28    Hold on.  
Speaker 8     00:56:30    Oh, okay. You're coming off right now. It's just still a gray screen. Yeah,  
Speaker 13    00:56:36    Yeah. Hold on.  
Speaker 8     00:56:51    Oh, and also, while we're waiting for that, if I recall from the, the vote on the last one there were seven eligible voting members.  
Speaker 1     00:56:59    Yes. There are seven members currently hearing this application. Chris,  
Speaker 8     00:57:03    Thanks a lot. I don't think it'll be an issue, but I just always like to know. Just let us know when you're ready. We're waiting for your video.  
Speaker 13    00:57:39    Hello Chris, can you see me?  
Speaker 8     00:57:43    Nope. Still your video's not on net. There you are.  
Speaker 13    00:57:51    Better? Yes. Welcome. Sorry.  
Speaker 8     00:57:55    Yes. Okay. So Mo if you could, you know, introduce yourself, spell your name, you're gonna have to be sworn in. Now you can describe who you are with the company and, and then what, what we're here for sir,  
Speaker 1     00:58:06    If you could state your name, spell your last name, and give us your professional address.  
Speaker 13    00:58:11    Sure. So my name is Mehul Sharma from Casu Bioscience 20 New England Avenue, Pisca, New Jersey. I did my bachelor's in mechanical.  
Speaker 1     00:58:21    I gotta swear you in first. Hold on. Raise your right hand. Swear The testimony you give before this board will be the whole truth.  
Speaker 13    00:58:27    Yes, I'll do. Alright.  
Speaker 1     00:58:29    You're a witness, Christopher.  
Speaker 8     00:58:31    Thanks. Okay, so Mahu, you were about to get rolling on what, what your company does and why you're here. So just take it slow so everybody can follow along. Sure. I need to rush. All right. So just, but it, you don't have to go into tremendous detail about all your different products just in general.  
Speaker 13    00:58:49    Sure, sure. So again, good evening to all member of the bots. My name is Mayor sma. Business address is 20 New England Avenue, castle Bioscience, New Jersey. Professionally, I did my bachelor's in mechanical engineering and I did my master's in business administrations. I hold a position of Vice President Global Engineering and facility for Casu Bioscience. Casu Bioscience is a fully integrated biopharmaceutical company with capabilities in both development and CGMP manufacturing of large and complex small molecules and provide next generations of drug delivery technologies and biosimilar vaccines and specialty bioproducts to support our future products and business de demands. Our existing facility, which is somewhere around 46,000 square feet, we are expanding up to 58,000 square feet. The existing structure shall have a selective building and interior renovations. So this future expansion will include a proposed around 7,700 square feet of two story GMP Edisons to the south side of the building, as well as around 4,000 square feet of warehouse and approximately 2000 square feet of utility areas. So the expansion will cater, our existing current manufacturing facility is 500 liter bioreactor capacity. This new expansion will support us up to scale up up to 2000 liter bioreactor capacity, which will forecast and which will cater our overall future requirements in terms of product manufacturing.  
Speaker 8     01:00:43    Okay. Thank you for that summary. Does anybody have any, any questions about what IV does or why they're here? Who could answer those? Now? Obviously he's already been sworn so he can come back and and fill in blanks later. But if you have any questions now, please ask.  
Speaker 0     01:01:04    I'd like to know myself how these bio scientific products are going to be manufactured. Is it by chemical interaction or, or how This is a manufacturing plant, right?  
Speaker 13    01:01:18    Yes, correct.  
Speaker 0     01:01:19    Could you give us some idea as to what that process is?  
Speaker 8     01:01:23    Sure. And just keep in mind that they've already been operating and this is just an addition. So it's  
Speaker 13    01:01:28    It is some  
Speaker 0     01:01:29    Okay. But I I'm, we'd like to get some idea of exactly what goes on there.  
Speaker 8     01:01:32    Understood.  
Speaker 13    01:01:35    Yeah. So this is a biological facility. So we develop the cell in a small scale bioreactor from one liter to five liter to 20 liter to 500 liter. And that cell has been harvest, it grows in millions. And then with a different purification process, we harvest that cell and extract the protein from the cell. And that final product will be our drug substance product, which will be eventually transferred to the drug product facility, which will be our PFS and, and, and while where we can fill the final drug substance into the, into the PFS pre.  
Speaker 0     01:02:18    And when it reaches this, there is no  
Speaker 13    01:02:19    Chemical, there is no chemical reactions. Okay. There is no chemical used in this product? No.  
Speaker 0     01:02:25    Is it in a vial or is it in a can or is it in a plastic When it, it's reached, its the end of the process. When you're finished with it, it's in what kind of container or form?  
Speaker 13    01:02:36    It'll be in PFS prefilled syringe.  
Speaker 0     01:02:40    Could you explain that a little more to me please?  
Speaker 13    01:02:43    PFS prefilled syringe.  
Speaker 8     01:02:46    The prefilled syringes.  
Speaker 0     01:02:47    Oh, prefilled syringes. Okay. Okay. Prefilled syringes. Okay. Yes. They'll be packaged in some way then? Correct.  
Speaker 13    01:02:55    Okay. In our Chicago facility.  
Speaker 0     01:02:57    Okay.  
Speaker 13    01:02:58    Yeah.  
Speaker 0     01:03:00    That will take place here in Piscataway?  
Speaker 13    01:03:02    No. So Piscataway facility will be drug substance manufacturing facility and we have our, another commercial approved FDA approved facility in Chicago where we have full Finn capabilities. So the drug substance will be manufactured here in Picard and that's drug substance will be transferred to our PI Chicago facility for Field Finn.  
Speaker 0     01:03:25    Okay. Thank you. Any questions from any other members of the board? Hearing none, I'd like to open it up to members of the public, anyone in the public wishing to ask any questions of this witness. Please signify by raising your hand. Ms. Buckley, do you see anyone?  
Speaker 2     01:03:47    No. And Madam chair.  
Speaker 0     01:03:48    Thank you. Close to the public. Okay. Mr. erg, you can call your next. Thank you.  
Speaker 8     01:03:53    Okay. Our next witness would be our civil engineer. Who is Rudy Ach. Rudy, you out there?  
Speaker 2     01:04:11    Oh, gimme one moment. He came in as an attendee. He didn't use the link, so hold on.  
Speaker 8     01:04:16    Oh, sorry about that. He was the late ad. Oh,  
Speaker 2     01:04:20    It's fine.  
Speaker 8     01:04:22    More, more technology.  
Speaker 2     01:04:23    That's okay. All he has to do is accept. All right. He should be  
Speaker 8     01:04:32    Name. Thank you. Because I, I didn't see his name on the attendees list. I got a little concerned.  
Speaker 2     01:04:36    Oh, he's here. He should be signed.  
Speaker 14    01:04:38    I'm here. I'm here. I just, you're right. This is too much technology for me.  
Speaker 2     01:04:44    We got you. It's okay.  
Speaker 0     01:04:45    So complicated. Yeah,  
Speaker 8     01:04:47    When the engineers start saying there's too much technology, we have a problem.  
Speaker 14    01:04:53    Right here. Right here. I see myself. You're  
Speaker 2     01:04:56    Here.  
Speaker 8     01:04:56    Okay. So we're gonna have Rudy testify, but to the extent we have drawings to show, I don't believe we have any new exhibits. There's just documents that have been present that have already been filed. And that's why Tyler Fox is showing up here. 'cause he's gonna be the one in control of the exhibits that Rudy May, may discuss. Just to avoid confusion on why they're both on. So you wanna get him sworn in first and then's, that's, that was gonna my next thing. Thanks. So it might be a good idea to swear both of them in just in case there's some explanation that Thatty needs to give to. That's fine.  
Speaker 1     01:05:33    Mr. Barlow. So Rudy, if you could state your name and please spell your last name and give us your professional address.  
Speaker 14    01:05:44    My name is Rudolph Middle initial S. Last name is Shatara, S-H-A-T-A-R-A-H.  
Speaker 1     01:05:54    And your professional address, sir?  
Speaker 14    01:05:56    6,500 Jericho Turnpike, suite one W New York. 1 1 7 9 1.  
Speaker 1     01:06:07    Okay. Raise your right hand. You swear the testimony you give before this board will be the whole truth.  
Speaker 14    01:06:11    I do.  
Speaker 1     01:06:12    Okay.  
Speaker 8     01:06:14    Thank you. And did you wanna swear Tyler in just in case, and since he's gonna be shown the exhibits,  
Speaker 1     01:06:20    Is, is he gonna be testifying and answering any questions or is he just putting up the picture? He  
Speaker 8     01:06:25    Might be because he was also involved in preparing the plans along with Rudy. Okay. Since he's gonna be showing them, it's probably a good idea to swear him in so we don't have to worry about later.  
Speaker 1     01:06:34    Okay. Mr. Fox, if you could state your name, spell your last name, give us your professional address.  
Speaker 15    01:06:41    My name is Tyler Fox, last name is Fox, FOX. And my professional address is 24 10 North Ocean Avenue in Farmingville, New York. 1 1 7 3 8.  
Speaker 8     01:06:55    Thank  
Speaker 1     01:06:56    You. Raise your right hand. Swear the testimony you give before this board will be the whole truth.  
Speaker 15    01:07:01    I do.  
Speaker 1     01:07:02    Okay. Your witnesses, Mr. Okay.  
Speaker 8     01:07:05    Rudy, if you could please briefly describe your professional qualifications as a professional engineer that would be appreciated.  
Speaker 14    01:07:14    I am case, I'm a professional engineer. I have approximately 43 years of experience between civil, structural and mostly civil and structural both. And I've been on my own as a business for 32 years, I believe. Yeah, 32 years. Been on my own. The projects that we have been accomplished, we're working on a new BMW dealership. We've done like nine or 10 other dealerships. We've done several projects and I'm doing actually a very exciting project right now start to build, which is a surf park out in Shirley Long Island.  
Speaker 8     01:08:17    Okay. Well, thank you. And you were actively involved in preparing the plans and have reviewed them and are prepared to testify tonight about the plans for this application?  
Speaker 14    01:08:28    Yes, I worked very closely with Tyler, you know,  
Speaker 8     01:08:32    So Thank you. So I, I'd offer Rudy it, it is just easier to say his first name, I apologize. No, no. Rudy's good as, as a professional engineer expert.  
Speaker 0     01:08:43    Yeah, I'm, I'm sure he has all the educational degrees to go beyond that 43 years of experience, sir.  
Speaker 8     01:08:50    Thank you. Okay. So now this kind of be a team effort between Rudy and Tyler. You could, if you could, Rudy, go through what is planned at the site and sort of give the board the benefit of the layout and, and dimensions and what exactly is planned at this site. So Tyler, sharing his screen to show the plans that were previously submitted, Mr. Barlow, I, I don't think these need to be remarked, but that's up to you because they're already been submitted  
Speaker 1     01:09:24    As long as there's been no changes, alterations, coloring, or anything else to 'em. No. If they've been,  
Speaker 8     01:09:32    And Tyler confirm,  
Speaker 1     01:09:33    Altered in May  
Speaker 8     01:09:34    That, that these are exactly the same as what was submitted?  
Speaker 15    01:09:37    That is correct. These are the same plans as submitted.  
Speaker 1     01:09:40    Okay. Thank you. If then, if someone could just, you know, describe what it is and, and the, the date they were prepared as they're using, utilizing them.  
Speaker 8     01:09:49    Okay. So Rudy, can you go ahead and do that? You might need to zoom in a little bit, Tyler. It's a little hard to say. I would,  
Speaker 14    01:09:57    Yeah, I would give that to Tyler. Let them go ahead and I'll make any comments along the way.  
Speaker 8     01:10:02    And Rudy, if you could turn your volume up, that might be helpful. You're pretty,  
Speaker 14    01:10:08    It's a secret  
Speaker 8     01:10:09    Or, or closer to the microphone. I'm not sure.  
Speaker 14    01:10:12    Okay. Is that better?  
Speaker 8     01:10:13    That's better, yes. Thank you.  
Speaker 14    01:10:14    Okay. That's the secret of the trade, you know, four, three years. You, you learn a lot about these things, so I, I would like to defer to Tyler to let describe it and I will chime in as needed.  
Speaker 1     01:10:31    Well, what are Tyler's qualifications then?  
Speaker 8     01:10:34    Okay, well, Larry, Tyler, can you, can you set, set forth your qualifications then?  
Speaker 15    01:10:40    Yes, absolutely. So my name's Tyler Fox,  
Speaker 8     01:10:42    My, as a professional architect,  
Speaker 15    01:10:45    I am a licensed architect and I'm a junior partner at JM two Architecture. And we are the design consultants hired directly with Rudy Shatara for the design of the site and the construction documents for the building.  
Speaker 8     01:11:00    Okay. So I'd like to offer Tyler as a, a professional architect, the expert as well to help Rudy with his testimony here. He also, Tyler, you were involved in preparing these plans as well?  
Speaker 15    01:11:14    That's correct.  
Speaker 0     01:11:17    Tyler, can I give some of your little educational background please?  
Speaker 15    01:11:20    Absolutely. I have a Bachelor's of Science in architecture from Alfred State College in New York state.  
Speaker 0     01:11:28    And how long have you been practicing?  
Speaker 15    01:11:30    I've been a licensed architect for over two years and, and I'm good standing.  
Speaker 0     01:11:37    Okay. Thank you.  
Speaker 15    01:11:38    Thank  
Speaker 8     01:11:38    You. Okay, so Tyler, since these plans are actually on your title block, you can help Rudy to describe the date and what each sheet generally shows. Then he can go through the engineering aspects.  
Speaker 15    01:11:53    Yeah, gladly. So these plans were prepared last dated April 1st, 2024, submitted to the township of Piscataway on April 5th. The set is comprised of 11 sheets of site plans and proposed building plans and elevations for the project. Our first sheet here, it includes a dimension site plan showing the proposed nature of the development we have on this site as Mr  
Speaker 8     01:12:29    Mr this is, this sheet is just so when you go through the different sheets, if you could say the name of the sheet for the record. This is C 100  
Speaker 15    01:12:36    Sheet C 100. Absolutely. As Mr. Sharma had stated, the scope of the work here is a proposed 7,700 square foot manufacturing addition to the south of the, of this building. And to confirm when I say south, it's to the right of the page and also a warehouse addition of about 4,000 square feet to the east and a utility and equipment room addition also to the east. The site improvements shown here, just very generally speaking is, is very minor. The, the major site improvements here would include repaving and res striping of the parking lot, which is indicated on the sheet.  
Speaker 15    01:13:21    Proposed a proposed retaining wall and proposed five foot sidewalk along New England Avenue as well as some proposed increased lighting, which is included in this plan as well, which was submitted to the township as well. She C 1 0 1 defines the demolition areas of the site, which you can see as well is relatively minor what we're proposing here along the perimeter of the building on the south side, there's currently some sidewalk and curve that will be removed in for construction of the addition to the south. And on the east side we have demolition of an existing partial curb for an equipment pad, which will house compressed air gasses, which are used for their processes as well as a dashed red line along the east, which is their existing limit of their edge of asphalt, which will be replaced for new Belgium block curbs all along the south to south and the east end. And then the eastern corner, the northeastern corner is where we're proposing a backup generator. So there's some small demolition area on the site in that corner. She C 200 is mostly an existing and proposed grading and drainage site plan. Rudy can, can speak a little more to this as well, but considering the nature of the application, most impervious, impervious surfaces are being maintained to what's existing. What is changing of course is the actual roof area of the additions that will be replacing. Of course some of the grass areas and sidewalk areas, existing drainage inlets are all in good working condition. We proposed to protect them during construction.  
Speaker 15    01:15:25    Just a note about the retaining wall, I did provide a detail within the right of way of New England Avenue. It was suggested based on the existing grading of New England in the front yard that we propose a, a retaining wall, which is only 20 inches high and that's a split face block, you know, kind of like a versa lock style retaining wall of about 20 inches high.  
Speaker 8     01:15:51    And the purpose of that retaining wall was to accommodate the sidewalk. 'cause originally the plan didn't call for a sidewalk, you didn't need the retaining wall, but now with the sidewalk, you need the retaining wall. Is  
Speaker 15    01:16:02    That correct? That's exactly right. Correct.  
Speaker 1     01:16:08    On sheet. Can I just Mr. Fox or Mr. Yes.  
Speaker 1     01:16:12    I, I really don't think the board needs you to go through all 11 sheets of the plans. I mean, if you just wanna kind of either hit the highlights as to the scope of the work or Okay. Right. You know, I, I don't think you need to, they can look at the plans and if the board members have any specific questions, you know, I I think if the architect wants to talk about what it's gonna look like in terms of the, the, the renderings of it or something that might be appropriate and if, and if Rudy's gonna offer actually any engineering testimony, you know, that's fine, but Sure. I don't think it serves the board's time this evening Okay. To just go through the plans.  
Speaker 8     01:16:54    That's that's fine. And he's really already hit all the highlights. I don't think that really needs to go into much more detail unless the, the board has specific questions about this as you know, I I'm assuming that everyone that has reviewed the plans and if they have questions that haven't already been answered, we can do that. But if not, we could go through the reports just to confirm that we're gonna be complying with everything. If that's the board's pleasure, we'll we'll move ahead with, with that aspect. And the only other witness that we would have is our traffic engineer, which we do have on the line. There's not really any traffic issues to discuss, but he is here just to introduce himself and be available for if there's any questions after this testimony's finished.  
Speaker 1     01:17:41    Well, I mean, for instance, can Rudy agree to comply with any of the on behalf of the applicant, the DNRR and engineering May 3rd, 2024 report? Yes. If you can, you can just say yes, we'll comply with everything unless there's a specific item you'd like to address.  
Speaker 8     01:17:57    Yep.  
Speaker 14    01:17:58    Yes. We, we will comply with everything.  
Speaker 1     01:18:02    Okay. And if they're going, is the applicant willing to comply with the items set forth in the division of Engineering and Planning and development report? I realize you have 1st of March 12th, there's a subsequent one in April, but again, didn't add anything. Yep.  
Speaker 8     01:18:21    That's a will comply with the, with those items as well.  
Speaker 1     01:18:28    Again, I don't mean to short circuit your application, but I know we have another one after this. No, and this, this doesn't have any variances associated with it. Exactly. The, the only question I have is the, you're not proposing any changes or moving of the sign that has already been granted a variance, correct?  
Speaker 8     01:18:51    That that is correct. Ow. And, and Rudy, can you confirm that?  
Speaker 14    01:18:55    Yes.  
Speaker 1     01:18:56    Okay. You're not enlarging the, the, the non-conformity in any way. It's staying exactly the same,  
Speaker 14    01:19:02    Correct?  
Speaker 1     01:19:03    Yes. Okay. Madam chair, I didn't mean to to jump in there, but I just thought we could maybe No, I, I, I appreciate. No problem.  
Speaker 8     01:19:15    That's fine. And I can, I can just whip through the other reports too. Sure. Perfect. The fire, the fire department report was really, it was already approved and that was the one from January 30th. So that one's taken care of. You already hit on the March 12th revised April 22nd one that we're gonna comply with. There's another report from the supervisor of engineering with one item on it from April 29th. We will comply with, with that there's the traffic engineer Doen and Dean's report from May 1st. There's really nothing to comply with. It was, it was all comments. And the, the DNR report from May 3rd we've already talked about and we'll comply. And then there's the last one was the May 6th, 2024 that will comply. There's a couple of items that they'll have to work with the township professionals with regard to landscaping primarily because of the berm in the front and just to make sure and that that's a will comply, just, you know, with consultation with the board's professionals.  
Speaker 1     01:20:26    Dawn, do you have any issue if the applicant works with the board's professional staff to resolve any landscaping issues?  
Speaker 10    01:20:34    Not at all.  
Speaker 8     01:20:38    Okay. So if that being said, I don't have any other further questions for either Tyler or Rudy I was  
Speaker 0     01:20:46    Referring to. Okay. If the board member no Bo none of the board members have any questions, we can open it up to the public please. Board members, you heard the testimony, I mean members of the public, you heard the testimony of these two witnesses. Does anyone in the public have questions of these witnesses? Would you indicate so by waving your hand?  
Speaker 2     01:21:05    No. And Madam chair.  
Speaker 0     01:21:07    Thank you. Close to the public. Okay. Thank  
Speaker 1     01:21:09    You. Madam chair, if I may just, yes, interject. Ms. Dolan, do you have any concerns or issues with regards to traffic as to this matter?  
Speaker 12    01:21:19    No, our comments were generally in concurrence with this submission. We're fine.  
Speaker 0     01:21:25    Thank you. Thank you  
Speaker 1     01:21:26    So much.  
Speaker 8     01:21:26    Thank you. So I think that one heads off the need for our, our traffic engineer, unless the board does have its own questions for our traffic engineer, then I will not even introduce him for testimony if that's the board's pleasure.  
Speaker 0     01:21:43    Ms. Dolan, is that all right with you?  
Speaker 12    01:21:47    Yes.  
Speaker 0     01:21:48    Thank you all members of the board, you've heard this application. Mr. Er, if you don't have a summary, members of the board, what's your pleasure?  
Speaker 10    01:21:59    Madam chair. Dawn Corcoran. I'll make a motion. We approve the application subject to the board. Professional reports.  
Speaker 0     01:22:06    Do I have a second?  
Speaker 3     01:22:08    Madam chair, Reverend Kinneally. I'll second that. Providing he makes, he's in compliance with all the professional reports.  
Speaker 0     01:22:15    Thank you. Roll call please.  
Speaker 2     01:22:18    Mayor? Wahler? Yes. Councilwoman Cahill? Yes. Ms. Corcoran? Yes. Reverend Kinneally. Yes. Mr. Atkins? Yes. Mr. Hammed? Yes. And Madam chair?  
Speaker 0     01:22:32    Yes. Thank you.  
Speaker 8     01:22:34    Well thank you very much and thank you for moving along so quickly. I'm sure that the applicant behind us will appreciate as well. Have a good night everyone. Thank  
Speaker 2     01:22:41    You. Have a good  
Speaker 0     01:22:42    Night.  
Speaker 8     01:22:43    Thank you.  
Speaker 13    01:22:44    Thank you so much to all the members of the board from Kasu Bioscience.  
Speaker 0     01:22:48    Well you're welcome. Enjoy your evening.  
Speaker 13    01:22:51    Thank you. Thank you.  
Speaker 0     01:22:54    Item number 1523 PB 23 slash 24 V as in Victor, spark car Wash, LLC, preliminary and Final Cycl plan. And both variances.  
Speaker 16    01:23:06    Good evening, Madam chair Board members, good evening board board professionals. My name is Jeff Chang from Law Firm Fox Rothchild outta Princeton. I have the pleasure of presenting Spark car wash this evening. I just wanna confirm with Council Barlow that notice was proper and acceptable to the board. It's acceptable. Okay, perfect. So I, I'll just introduce the, the application, identify the variances and some of the, and the most recent reports so that we're all on the same page. I know we wanna provide a robust record for obvious reasons. So with that being said, I'll go to my direct spar. Car wash is a less C for block 54 0 1 lot, 8.00 8.01. And the township of Piscataway property is located at 10 38 Stelton Road, Piscataway, New Jersey. The property is 2.17 acres in size and located the GB general business zone. The property is currently approved with a vacant bank building with three ATM drive-through lanes.  
Speaker 16    01:24:04    The applicant is seeking preliminary final site plan this evening with bulk variances to construct a 4,841 square foot automated car wash structure with 26 parking spaces. It'll be comprised of 21 vacuum spaces and five employee spaces and related signage. There's a number of variances that we've compiled based on township reports, both from CME and Don Corcoran-Gardella. So the eight I believe that I counted were the following. So section 21 dash 1 2 0 2 location, maximum number of facade signs. One on front facade is permitted where four fronts, four facade signs are proposed. Section 21 dash 1 2 0 2 0.2 maximum percent of front wall area where 10% is permitted and 16.3% is proposed. Section 21 dash 1 2 0 2 0.3. Maximum size of freestanding sign 32 square feet is permitted where 50.10 square feet is proposed. Section 21 dash 1 2 0 2 0.3. Minimum distance of free standing sign from street 25 feet required where 10 feet is proposed. Section 21 dash 12 seven minimum setback for signs under 10 square feet. 10 feet from property line were required where directional sign of zero feet from side yard property line is proposed. Section 24 dash 7 0 4 0.2 point B three, minimum width of parking islands six feet is required where 5.29 feet is proposed. Section 21 dash 5 0 1 proposed 39 foot and 57 front yard setback from an accessory structure. These are the two vacuums where 60 feet is required. And the last variance I believe is section 21 dash 2 0 7.  
Speaker 16    01:25:56    Proposed directional sign is located zero feet from the property line and all signs are 10 square feet must be set back a minimum of 10 feet from the property line. So just to clarify, those are the variances that are being requested this evening. In addition to obviously site plan and just to make sure that we're on the same page, the reports that we last received were the DNR report dated March 7th, 2024, report from Joe Herrera dated March 5th, 2024 CME Planner's report dated May 6th, 2024 and then Dawn Corcoran's, planning memo March 5th, 2024. And then Henry Henderson's memo of March 8th, 2024. Those are the ones that will be commenting on through my professionals this year.  
Speaker 1     01:26:40    Did did you also, you may have said it, I missed it. Yep. The Dolan and Dean report from the traffic expert dated January 22nd, 2024.  
Speaker 16    01:26:50    That, yes. Okay. My, my traffic. Yeah. Thank you Mr. Carlo. Yep, that's also identified. Okay. So with that being said, I have number professionals this evening. I'm gonna start with Matt Canal, who's the real estate director for Spark Car Wash. He's gonna walk us through the operations, you know, the history of Spark carwash, why they wanna invest in this town and build this what we think is very nice, beautiful, and gonna be something that's Pisco will be proud of. I'll have Paul, much from Stonefield Engineering, who's the design engineer who's gonna walk through a site plan the variances, show the existing site, what is being proposed, and then Oliver Young out of GKA as the architect who's gonna show you the design and materials and the signage on the property. And then Andrew cio, who's also an engineer, traffic engineer outta Stonefield who will be discussing the traffic justifications parking circulation. And then we'll wrap up with John McDonough, the professional planner who will go through the C two variances positive, negative criteria. With that being said, if I could, I'd like to have my first witness,  
Speaker 1     01:27:56    Madam chair bef Mr. Chen, before you do that, I, I and, and Jeff, I'm, I'm just doing this. Yes. By way of an abundance of caution. Yes sir. And just on the record, just so the board's aware, there was an issue with regards to jurisdiction. When this application was originally filed, there was an objector who filed an application prerogative writ complaint in Superior Court in New Brunswick, challenging whether or not the planning board had jurisdiction or this matter should go to the zoning board at Judge Buca in New Brunswick referred the matter back to the zoning board as they have the right to interpret whether or not azo a use variance would be triggered. While that application was pending, the objector, Mr. Liston ultimately chose to withdraw that application and dismiss the pending prerogative writ complaint.  
Speaker 1     01:28:55    And as far as I'm concerned, and I believe Mr. Chen will agree consenting or agreeing that the planning board had jurisdiction, that a use variance was not needed. So that's how, just from a little procedural history, if someone reviews this later on, you know, I don't want it to be said that we did this in a vacuum. I believe the planning board is the appropriate venue for this matter, as I do believe a use variance is not required, thereby giving the planning board jurisdiction over this matter. There had, there was an objector who was represented by Mr. Liston, who I don't see on this. If, if he does appear or or another attorney on his behalf appears he will have the right to cross examinee any of Mr. Chang's witnesses and offer any of his own witnesses. As of this juncture, I don't see him, but if he does pop in or another attorney on behalf of the objector, just so the board's aware, he will have his opportunity to cross examine and then present if he so chooses. So with that being said, Mr. Chang, I turn it back over to you and you can call your first witness. Absolutely. Thank you.  
Speaker 16    01:30:10    Unless you have  
Speaker 1     01:30:11    Anything you'd like to add?  
Speaker 16    01:30:12    Yeah, no, that's it. And the one thing that Mr. Liston sent to us, the case that he was relying on was the dash versus Tasha Spar zoning board matter and Diamond Chip Realty, LLC. I'm looking at the case in front of me and that's what he gave up his jurisdictional challenge and that's why we're here this evening before the planning board. So with that being said, I'd like to have Matt Canali a Spark car wash, be sworn in and give his qualifications.  
Speaker 17    01:30:37    Certainly. Thanks Jeff. Hi everyone. I dunno if you turn  
Speaker 16    01:30:41    Out your video, Matt.  
Speaker 17    01:30:43    I I don't appear to have a video option. I don't know if there's a, something that needs to take place on, need to be added with panelists maybe?  
Speaker 1     01:30:52    No. 'cause I think we're all panelists.  
Speaker 17    01:30:56    Okay, well  
Speaker 2     01:30:57    Yeah, on your bottom left on your computer it should say stop video or start video. Click on that. It'll give you your video.  
Speaker 17    01:31:05    I don't have that. Tap your screen. I'm sorry. Are you on  
Speaker 1     01:31:11    A phone computer?  
Speaker 17    01:31:12    Might I'm on the computer, yeah. Okay. Let's see here. I've, I've been on for a while now and I, I think there may just be some, something wrong with my display. I you're on. Perhaps I could try on my phone to see if I can get video that way. One second. Oh, I have to join us.  
Speaker 2     01:31:33    You'd have to call it back in  
Speaker 17    01:31:38    Again. Go. There you go. Thank you very Matt, you good? You got it. I'm in business. Appreciate that very much.  
Speaker 1     01:31:46    Alright sir, if you could state your name, spell your last name, and give us your professional address please.  
Speaker 17    01:31:53    Absolutely. Matt Canal, M-A-T-T-H-E-W-C-A-N-A-L-E. And we're located at 30 Maple Street Summit, New Jersey.  
Speaker 1     01:32:06    All right. Raise your right hand. Do you swear the testimony you give before this board will be the whole truth?  
Speaker 17    01:32:11    Yes, I do.  
Speaker 1     01:32:12    Mr. Chang, your witness.  
Speaker 16    01:32:14    Sure. So Matt, I'll give you, I'll, you can testify in the narrative, but I want you to introduce the board, you know, what is Spark Car Wash? You know, why are you targeting this site? Why do you believe that this market is perfect for your company to expand? I want you to, if you could give the board some market data, emphasize, you know, you're investing significant amount of dollars to the company here. Yeah. So we want to work and flourish. We also want to de highlight modern operations, environmentally friendly, you know, in terms of recycling the water. And then just to describe that this site makes sense for us in design. We have no variances actually about the, the intensity of use. It's actually a lot of it sign is related. So if you walk the board through a narrative and hit those points, that'd be greatly appreciated.  
Speaker 17    01:32:58    Yeah, absolutely. Happy to. Thank you Jeff. First and foremost, thank you all for your time this evening. We're very excited to be presenting here before you all. So as, as already introduced, I'm the director of real estate at Spark as director of real estate. One of my primary responsibilities is to identify locations that would put us as a business in a position to thrive over the long term. So, you know, we are making a very significant investment in these redevelopment projects. The car washes are quite expensive, so we do spend quite a bit of time diving deep into the analysis of a market, understanding its strengths, how the trade area actually works and functions ultimately to make a decision to, to move forward. So when I was first introduced to the site on Stelton Road, what you know, was obvious and stood out was just the, the strength of the retail corridor.  
Speaker 17    01:33:53    You know, at this location, as you all know, you're surrounded by a multitude of national and local retailers, fast food grocery stores, including the brand new ShopRite on the other side of the street. Super stores like Walmart and Target gyms, sit down, restaurants, you name it. And the reason for that, as we understood with our analysis, is that the trade area here really extends far beyond the actual township of Piscataway. This is largely due to the accessibility that is provided on 2 87. So the Piscataway Stelton road trade area is very easily accessible via 2 87, and that provides accessibility to a multitude of other markets as far west as Bridgewater, as far east of Chen. And additionally, route 18 provides easy access from the south, which is a, a very dense residential population to the south, down as far south as North Brunswick. So all, all of these things, and it's exactly why you have all the other retailers and a multitude of those retailers in this market is because it, it provides you one location that gives you access to various other markets via 2 87.  
Speaker 17    01:35:11    So for those same reasons, we actually selected Piscataway as one of our top target markets to be in and Stelton road being the primary quarter within that market. So as we approached this market, this site stood out due to the fact that it was really flanked by two large retail trade centers. One is anchored by Target, the other we, we found that up at the shop, right going across the street and then Walmart's down on the other side. So you're really kind of right in the middle of that trade area providing for accessibility to a lot of the different customers that, you know, ultimately come and shop here in Piscataway. So for all those reasons, it, it was, it made a lot of sense to this actual location and the size of the property too. The size of the property works perfectly for our operation.  
Speaker 17    01:36:04    It actually is almost exactly as we designed our prototype. The, the three pay stations and E 21 vacuums are what we target on our prototypes. It allows for efficiency of processing cars and also allows for a high likelihood of customers that utilize the operations to have the ability to utilize the vacuums and facilities with less vacuums. We could run into an issue where, you know, they were all occupied at the same time, provided for a less optimal customer experience. So again, the size of this property worked really well. All of these things came together to make us feel very confident and ultimately the decision that this would be a location that would put us in a position to be successful and be really immerse ourselves in the community here over the long term.  
Speaker 17    01:36:58    So as, as far as Spark as a business and operation, what we're proposing here is a, a modern express car wash facility. We are open to the public, but we do focus on a membership based business model. The public can, anybody can come off steal in, utilize the facilities and pay per wash. Along with that wash comes the free use of vacuums or the use of the vacuums at no additional cost. However, we do promote our membership model, which enables customers to utilize the facilities as often as they like on a monthly basis for a very fair price based upon the, the, the amount of use that you would potentially get out of it. We combine a state-of-the-art technology within our facilities with a very, we think a very beautifully designed building in overall landscape, including the landscaping. And we have a highly trained staff of three to four employees who have various jobs to do while on site, including engage with the customer to make sure they understand how to use the vacuum equipment to understand how they, to use the pay stations to make sure they understand what wash they're getting and so forth.  
Speaker 17    01:38:15    Ultimately to provide a pleasant experience for everybody who visits the facility and that all those pieces coming together will enable us to create an experience for these customers, which helps with the, the business model of memberships. So further, we are eco-friendly. We, we have three, 2000 gallon reclaim tanks that are state-of-The-art equipment used to filtrate the water we use in order to, so we can reuse it on site. So it recycles between 70 and 80% of the water that we do use in additionally. In addition to that, we use kitchen grade cleaning agents that are non-hazardous to the environment. So those, those pieces are important as we kind of expand through these various territories as well. Hours of operation on site. May best to, to kind of walk you through if everybody could see this, the plan that's on the screen here. So, and  
Speaker 16    01:39:19    Let's, and Mr. Barlow, we could, we'll mark this as a one, this is a rendering prepared by GAK and a associates. Too small for me to see the, the date. I don't know if Paul or Matt or you, oh, there we go. Ten three twenty three A one,  
Speaker 17    01:39:40    So easiest to,  
Speaker 16    01:39:43    Oh, last revised May 7th, 2024. Sorry.  
Speaker 17    01:39:50    Yeah, so easiest to kind of talk through the, the, the operations and the circulation of the site by, by way of looking at the, the rendering alert in here. So as you know, a customer would enter the site, they would be guided by directional signage into the stacking lanes. The stacking lanes wrap the vacuum park, and so every customer that comes in through the site would be guided to the stacking lanes, the vacuum park, excuse me, the, the stacking lanes lead to the pay stations. The pay stations, there will be three different pay stations. One is for members only, the other two will be for pay per wash or the public or off the street customers. The off the street customer kiosk will be attended by a customer service attendant will help facilitate a transaction for the customer and help make sure they understand how to use the kiosk and what wash to select and so forth.  
Speaker 17    01:40:49    It's really there to engage with the customer and also just ensure an efficient transaction. The third will be a membership only lane, which would be designated by signage. And those lanes are equipped with a license plate reading technology similar to epass to enable the member to process through the kiosk and enter the car wash facility very quickly, very seamlessly and so forth. We, we will at probably some point modify, you know, two paper stations to go from two pa paper wash stations to two member stations depending on, you know, where we are in that buildup process of membership. But usually when we open it's two pay per wash, one member, after you pay, after you exit the kiosk pay station area, the next step would be to enter the tunnel, the tunnel of the car wash, which is on the far side of the building of the rendering you're looking at.  
Speaker 17    01:41:49    That's where you'll encounter the second customer service associate on site. They're there to help guide the vehicle onto the conveyor and help load it. Once loaded, the car is put into neutral. Once the car is put into neutral, the conveying system will take control of the car and pull the car through the car wash facility that will enable it to receive the wash from the various mechanicals and machines that we have throughout the, the tunnel. Upon exiting the tunnel, the tunnel itself is 135 feet long. So at any given time, on a busy day, there could be four, maybe even five cars within that tunnel. It's a very efficient processing of cars built for, you know, processing cars on a busy day. But as you, as you approach the exit of the tunnel, there are state-of-the-art blowers and blowing equipment that are designed to completely dry the car.  
Speaker 17    01:42:41    So there's no manual dryers or manual laborers needed at the exit of the tunnel to further drive the car, it the, the equipment is designed to fully drive the car. Upon exiting that tunnel, you will regain control of your vehicle and then the customer will have an opportunity to either a ac access the vacuum park and utilize the vacuum equipment or b exit the site. The, the third customer service associate would be monitoring the vacuum park area at all times. They're there to engage with the customer, make sure they know how to use the equipment and make sure the area is clean. It's car wash after all. So there's a lot of trash in the cars that are emptied out. Each of the vacuum stalls are equipped with their individual trash receptacle. One of the car wash, the car wash employee who does occupy the vacuum park's responsibility is to empty those receptacles out during the day as needed and put them into the, the dumpster.  
Speaker 17    01:43:43    The trash pickup is once a week or earlier as needed. And it is done usually right before opening around seven o'clock in the morning. But it can be scheduled, it can be scheduled earlier or later to, depending on preference the deliveries we get to the site. So we only have, we only have deliveries once every two weeks typically. And those deliveries come via Sprinter van. There's no large trucks needed to be moving around on site. Those come via Sprinter van and they come on off hours when employees are on site. So either before we open in the morning when employees have arrived, the wash is not yet open or after hours, once the wash is closed and the employees are cleaning up the facility hours of operation are 8:00 AM to 8:00 PM employees generally arrive on site about an hour before we open around seven o'clock and they will stay on site approximately an hour after we close. So 9:00 PM So I think that addresses most of the operational items that I had on my checklist here. I'm certainly happy to address any questions that there may be in regards to operation business or, or anything else, or Jeff if there's anything on your list as  
Speaker 16    01:45:10    Well. No, no, I think you covered everything. I wanted you to introduce to the board, Madam chair board members, I open Mr. Canal up to you for any questions that, or, or clarifications you may want. Any questions from the board? Jeff? This witness?  
Speaker 9     01:45:27    I, I actually have one Madam chair just outta curiosity. Mr. Canal was saying that, you know, pisca marketing conditions for Piscataway, but you know, isn't it unusual to have four car washes within two miles of each other? I mean, I, I I don't know. I mean, you got one up by Freedom Avenue on Stelton Road, you have another one in Celia Avenue. You have one further down on, you know, Stelton Road, whatever. I just having born and raised in this community, I find it very perplexing business wise, and I've seen a lot of applications coming for this board over the last 30 years where it's this, this is not like a fast like a restaurant industry here. This is for car washes. So I'm, I'm just outta curiosity how your thought processes in your company on this, on why a, a another car wash business would financially make it in theory.  
Speaker 17    01:46:28    Yeah, no, it's, it is a great question and in looking at competition is one of the first things that we do when assessing a market. And you know, what we, what we know is that there is a, a very true distinction between the modern express car wash that we are proposing here and a full, so a full serve or older express only, you know, the, the market largely I believe, I believe there's only one other full modern express like ours. And so I think, I think there truly is a distinction between the two having studied, you know, this business and seen other markets throughout New Jersey and the country where currently this product can coexist with the others as well. There are, there are a lot, there is a lot of data showing that what is needed in a market for per express car wash is about 20,000 people in a three mile radius.  
Speaker 17    01:47:36    So in Pisca at this location in a three mile radius, you have a hundred thousand people. So that tells us, that gives us comfort that there's more than enough demand with the right product. And when I say product, I mean the actual experience that we're providing as a business with the right location, which we believe strongly this is the right location and the right market where you're really just exposing yourself to enough people. So I certainly understand, you know, the perspective that you have and I feel most probably have a similar perspective, but what we, what we know having, you know, been building this product out throughout New Jersey and really studied, studied other markets around the country is that the drivers are population density, the retail trade area. And as long as you aren't saturated from a, a express car wash standpoint that the two can coexist, it is truly two separate customers between the Express car wash customer and the full service customer.  
Speaker 18    01:48:52    Madam chair, this is Councilwoman Cahill, unless the mayor has any other questions?  
Speaker 9     01:48:57    No, I don't. Madam chair.  
Speaker 18    01:49:02    So I do have a, a question here because you're differentiating yourself from some other car washes, but would you say that a car wash like, like this or the location would be even a more valuable closer to, let's say the interchange at of 2 87?  
Speaker 17    01:49:30    It's hard to say. I think there's like a lot of variables within the, the question, but you know, I think, I think there theoretically is a lot of good real estate within Piscataway, most of which is currently, you know, occupied with, you know, various existing uses. But yeah, I mean theoretically there could be, you know, other, other locations that could also work. I think just lack of availability is, is a, is a tends to be a, a theme in some of these stronger markets.  
Speaker 18    01:50:04    Right. And and I I I started to say you differentiate yourself because in fact we have a car wash that is this very same model on Sealy, which is right next to 2 87, which is not busy. I don't know if it's a bigger facility in this when, when it was approved. I think the stalls like where the vacuum stalls are, I think they may have more, I'm not sure this and that sort of in that general vicinity, you have a small business that obviously cannot serve the amount of cars that your car wash can, but is, and I don't know if they now have a membership now, but they, you know, it is vacuums outside, et cetera. They do have people who though do dry the car outside, which, I mean, I'm a labor person, so the more people you hire, the better. It's not a selling point for me, not having an extra people there to wipe the car down.  
Speaker 18    01:51:08    That set aside. That's just my opinion. I also am inclined to feel as though, I mean with the facility right off of 2 87 where you have next to a Walmart, pretty high traffic there is pretty slow and they closed at six o'clock on the weekdays. So I'm not so sure, and they may have started when they initially opened up with, with bigger, you know, with longer hours, you know, we have I think a couple of hotels right on the other side of 2 87 people coming and out. I I'm just really concerned like, you know, what is the sales volume that you need to have in order to keep this facility open knowing that the facility that's in a very high traffic area is getting very little traffic in there and is the identical model. It's a membership, it's a paper. I mean it's this same setup as I look at at your plan, quite frankly. Yeah,  
Speaker 17    01:52:18    I I I, I'm very familiar with the, the location you're speaking about. I can't, you know, I can't speak to their operations or how they run business obviously, but I can speak to from a location standpoint, that location in my, in our opinion, you know, is more of a destination. I think it's, it's more of a destination because it's, it's tucked off Stelton and yes, it, you know, that the Walmart does quite well and, and all that, but what's what we know being experts, you know, in the industry is that more than 50% of the customers that we engage with are impulse not destination. So most of 'em are impulse and being front and center easy accessibility to the largest amounts of high quality traffic is paramount. So I don't think, while yes, it is next to Walmart and it does, it is next to 2 87, it's only a destination or very, it's very much a destination location and from, from our, you know, point of view that's, that's a, a major factor as to why I think, you know, it, it, it could be slower than you would expect  
Speaker 16    01:53:31    Also, Mr. Canal. I mean, isn't it true that, that that site is probably two to three times the size of yours, your proposed model, if I, if I recall, the vacuum stalls are well over 50 stalls if I recall?  
Speaker 17    01:53:44    That's correct. Is that accurate? Yes, that's correct. They have more than 50 vacuum stalls. I believe they have more than one tunnel as well. It's, it's, I believe the facility is built to be a destination because of how they build them. But again, just you, my opinion is that our location puts us in a much better position to have a very strong performing store being right on Stelton within that corridor or being able to capture impulse customers.  
Speaker 0     01:54:19    Any other questions from the board? Yeah,  
Speaker 18    01:54:21    Well, Madam chair, my, I just, my last comment is that okay, it is just very close to that car wash and a similar model. It, I mean it just, I don't know. I-I-I-I-I for one, I just, I don't see how the, how they both, well like I said, you're trying to point out that the one site is very big. This one's not as big. I'm trying to point out that the one site is not busy in, in a very tr high, highly trafficked area. So those are all my comments. Madam chair. Thank you.  
Speaker 0     01:55:01    Any other members from the board wish to comment or ask questions?  
Speaker 3     01:55:05    Madam chair, Reverend Kinneally, he was talking about the picking up the trash in off hours when they're not busy working. Where is that trash dumpster gonna be at located in the back or where is it gonna be located?  
Speaker 17    01:55:22    It's, it's located, if you, if you look at the, the site plan rendering, it's a little bit blocked by the, the tree in the front. But if you can see the, the cursor, it's, it's, it's right as you make the right hand turn into the Q lane. Can you zoom? So white buildings Reverend Kinneally,  
Speaker 3     01:55:42    Right metal there? Yeah, I I I'm looking at it's, that's unusual being a, in the front of a building. Okay. I, I'm, I'm seeing it  
Speaker 0     01:55:56    Reverend we'll have the engineer testify and, and explain  
Speaker 3     01:55:59    The, the reason. Yeah, I understand that Mr. Chang, but most of the time it's always in the rear of the building or off side of a building to be in the front, you know, off the main dry you, I don't know. Okay, I got it.  
Speaker 17    01:56:16    One other thing I'll add just before we move off here, just regarding the, the research we did on like the actual trade area itself. So there is a platform that you be utilized, it's called Placer ai. It's a location intelligence platform that enables us to really dive in and understand the true strength of a trade area. And what it, what it tells us is that directly on Stelton Road, that trade area alone draws more than 12 million customer visits on an annual basis, which is very, very strong. And I think, you know, it's evidenced by, you know, the retail activity you have, you know, in the area as well. So again, just the, the positioning of this site amongst the strong trade area keep puts us in a position to, to know that, you know, we'll, we'll ultimately have a very successful business here.  
Speaker 0     01:57:10    Well, I'd just like to add another footnote since I do live in the area that all four of those car washes are in proximity to the Stelton Road area. Two three of one is here. It's a singular small car wash down here by the school street area. Then the proposed one that you're talking about. And then as we go then the one that we are talking about this near Walmart and on the other side of the 2 87 corridor is another one on the left hand side. And I don't think I've ever seen them crowded. Three have been quite a lot in this area and it's just a note, just a note from a resident that I hope your demographics are correct, but I've never seen them crowded. Yes,  
Speaker 17    01:57:56    No, I I I very much so appreciate the, the comment as well. And again, I do think that what, what our experience tells us for certain is that the product offering matters. It matters a lot. The experience that we provide matters a lot. You know, you can wash your car in your driveway, right? Like you, anybody could wash their car in the driveway. They come to us because of convenience, because of the experience they receive on the facility because we have a beautifully designed building. 'cause we're a convenient location, we have engaging customers, all of these things very much so matter. I would agree completely that if we were just recreating an existing product, you know, in a not so good location that I probably wouldn't do well. I think, I think  
Speaker 16    01:58:41    From our view this is, this is quite different.  
Speaker 0     01:58:48    If there's no other questions from the board members, I'd like to open it to the public members of the public. If you'd like to ask a question of this witness under his testimony, would you please indicate by raising your hand, Ms. Buckley, do you see anybody I  
Speaker 2     01:59:10    They need to unha the screen. I can't see Madam chair.  
Speaker 0     01:59:13    Okay, would you please? Thank you.  
Speaker 2     01:59:15    Anyone in the public have any comments or questions? Noah Madam chair.  
Speaker 0     01:59:21    Thank you. Do you have any other witnesses?  
Speaker 16    01:59:24    Yeah, so my next witness, Paul much professional engineer from Stonefield Engineering, if I could have him sworn in and qualified. He's obviously, he's designed a number of car washes. I work on him with him on number of projects throughout the state. He is been, he's testified as an expert engineer in multiple municipalities. I'm not sure Paul, if you've ever been to Piscataway though?  
Speaker 4     01:59:45    I don't think so. Okay,  
Speaker 16    01:59:48    Well,  
Speaker 1     01:59:49    Well he can, he can give us the benefit of that. Sir, if you could state your name, spell your last name and give us your professional address.  
Speaker 4     01:59:56    Yeah, certainly Paul much M as in Mary, UTCH from Stonefield Engineering located at 15 Spring Street in Princeton, New Jersey.  
Speaker 16    02:00:06    So Paul, if you, could you raise your right hand? Certainly  
Speaker 1     02:00:09    You swear testimony give before this board will be the whole truth.  
Speaker 4     02:00:12    I do.  
Speaker 1     02:00:13    You're a witness. Mr. Chang,  
Speaker 16    02:00:15    Can you provide your qualification, education, your licensing and confirm everything is still in good order?  
Speaker 4     02:00:21    Certainly. I'm a licensed professional engineer in the state of New Jersey and my license is in good standing. I graduated from Roan University with a bachelor's degree in civil engineering. I have 11 years of experience on applications similar to the one you're hearing this evening. And I've been accepted by more than a hundred land use boards in the state of New Jersey as an expert witness.  
Speaker 16    02:00:42    So ask if Madam chair, we accept him as a  
Speaker 0     02:00:46    Yes, he's accept.  
Speaker 16    02:00:47    Yeah. Thank you Mr Mu, can you walk us first, mark the exhibit your plans, your civil design drawings. So  
Speaker 4     02:00:56    We're gonna start, we can start with with the aerial exhibit Exactly  
Speaker 16    02:00:59    And then walk us, you know, so, so I'll just gonna let you go. But in the narrative, you know, mark your exhibits, discuss the existing conditions, proposed layout, walk the board through how all of this is supposed to function and discuss any variances. The variances that we're asked about this evening.  
Speaker 4     02:01:17    Yeah, certainly we'll get into that. This is the redevelopment of what is a defunct bank site with the associated improvements you'd expect parking areas drive through lanes as well as lighting. I think it's important to note and it's highlighted by this aerial that half of the site is currently undeveloped and that will continue in the proposed condition and that's really a condition that will go unchanged for the future of this property. If there are any development here, because there are wetlands that are located to the west. Basically all of the wooded portion, there's a little bit in the back that is not encumbered. And then Doty's brook is located along the south side of the plan, the bottom of your page and the riparian zones and associated buffers there would prevent any expansion of the existing footprint that you're seeing on the screen and seeing associated with that bank use.  
Speaker 4     02:02:06    So that is what our development will be. And you'll see in a proposed condition, we're essentially reusing the existing footprint and obviously making some significant upgrade that you saw in that 3D rendering. And you'll certainly see as we move through the application, we have frontage on Stelton Road, which is a county road 5 29. We also have frontages and they're not labeled on this plan, but they will be in the site plan rendering on two paper streets, which is Walker Lane, which is on the west side of the street. And then Howard Grand Boulevard, which is located on the southern side of the street. I think I might add that backwards. But there are two paper streets that encumber on the, the two, the westernmost and the southern side of, of this property. Those again, likely could never be developed because of the presence of wetlands and Doty's Brook runs through where that paper street is to the south. So really what you're looking at is what you get from this site from a development yield. And we're gonna be working within that as we, as we've sort of discussed a little bit, the uses in this area are consistent along the corridor commercial uses in the GP zone. So this fits in well with the character of that neighborhood as well. And with that I'll get into my next, next exhibit and the proposal,  
Speaker 1     02:03:21    Well this is eight two, right Mr much?  
Speaker 4     02:03:23    Yeah, I labeled the aerial exhibit, which is prepared by my office and dated May 8th, 2024. I labeled that a two. Perfect,  
Speaker 1     02:03:32    Thank  
Speaker 4     02:03:33    You. And then we'll do is we'll may we'll move to a three, which is a site plan rendering exhibit prepared by my office prepared on May 3rd, 2024. And this is simply a colorized version of the submitted site plan that's included as your package. We've taken the liberty of adding color landscaping and other features just to highlight for the board in the 2D sense at the very least what the intention of the application is. And you'll see some more 3D renderings as we move through our architect this evening. So the subject tonight is this state-of-the-art car wash. This 4,841 square feet. It comes with 21 vacuum spaces and six employee spaces. One of those employee spaces will be labeled an EV space and the parking proposed is compliant for code. What comes along with these state of the art car wash uses as we get through the use and operations is the state-of-the-art reclamation system.  
Speaker 4     02:04:28    So these are, this is a car wash that reclaims water, a substantial amount of water to limit the burden on the public utilities, but also serve it its own building. We've actually started to introduce some roof leaders into the system because the, you know, the reuse is a very important piece of not only washing cars, there's about 10 gallons of new water that goes into each wash, but it's also used for the various internal components of the, of the car wash. It's treated, it's disinfected with UV lights, there's reverse osmosis filtering as well. So that water is used throughout the building and and certainly reduces the load substantially on the public utility system as far as water and sanitary usage for this site. Access is proposed for this site along Stelton Road in similar location to what is existing. It is a write-in write out driveway as it is a median divided roadway on the county roadway.  
Speaker 4     02:05:24    We have an active county application currently for this site. We've addressed all of their comments, the remaining conditions as post bonds and, and pull a, a road opening permit. So we have, we have essentially a full approval from the county at this point, which is, which is very positive for the application. You've heard some of the circulation, but I'll just cover it again for this. Customers enter the site and are encouraged to go into the pay station. There's always the option to enter the vacuum stations as well for those, for those member U users. But generally the operations is you enter the queue area, which is located on the northern side of the site. That queue capacity from, from the building all the way back is more than 30 vehicles, which you'll hear from our traffic consultant this evening. But 30 vehicles is, is far more than you would expect for this kind of very, very efficient use and this fully automated car wash use, as you've heard, there is that trash enclosure located at the front of the site.  
Speaker 4     02:06:24    It's pulled out of the accessory setback, but we located it front to the site to allow for easy operations. That trash truck can pull in back up and then leave the site very simply. If there's a strong preference of the board to move it further into the site, we're happy to explore that and kind of shift around those six employee spaces that are located to the west. Those employee spaces are low turnover, you know, one shift per day. So the interaction of the employees and the drive through lane certainly won't be anything significant here. And we, this is a, this is a standard type situation for this type of use as Spark car wash as far as their prototype goes. As you move through that queue, you enter into the pay stationary. These are fully automated and high tech pay stations that are meant to efficiently process vehicles and get them through the tunnel.  
Speaker 4     02:07:16    As you've heard, there is a member's only lane license plate reading technology that allows for members that will be in upwards of 60 to 70% of the customer base to move quickly and efficiently through without having to actually perform a transaction. So that allows this carwash to really process vehicles. And then the interior two lanes at the, at the onset are pay per wash. There'll be an employee stationed in this area to assist with those transactions. I can say from experience the Spark car wash kiosks are extremely easy to use. Large buttons, not a lot of options or confusion there. So pretty simple operations that the pay stations allow for very quick transactions, but there's always, you know, there's always questions and things that, that pay station attending is there to make sure that the safe and efficient operation of that pay station area generally continues throughout.  
Speaker 4     02:08:08    There's also, in addition to that 31, 30 plus car queue that we're providing for this pay station to, there's, there's other levels of redundancy that we've incorporated here and specifically that is what we'll call a bailout lane or an escape valve that's located just as you come out of the pay stations that gore strip the area that see that leads to the vacuum area. That's allows for, if there is a situation where the tunnel or, or something occurs at the pay station where the person does not want to get a car wash for whatever reason. An emergency situation where we need to move people out because the tunnel is down. Those very rare scenarios, we're able to get vehicles out without having to back them through the pay station. That escape valve is just an added level of redundancy to ensure that this site operates efficiently, even in those rare emergency moments.  
Speaker 4     02:08:58    You know, just to make sure that we, we have all of our base covered here. As you move through the pay station, you, you enter into the tunnel that is 135 foot tunnel, you can fit about five cars in there. So, again, very efficient processing. You can speed up that conveyor belt. If it's a busy day, you need to process cars, but really the transaction time moving from pay station through the tunnel is less than two minutes. So overall, this automated state-of-the-art car wash is extremely efficient. It's meant to provide convenience and an experience for the customers and specifically the members. And that's where you kind of come out of the tunnel and that's where some of those features come into play. You hear a little bit more from our architect on some of the building mounted features, but as you exit the car wash, really the experience we're trying to provide here is the aesthetics, which you can see in, in our architecture as well as the landscaping, but also just the usability of the vacuum park.  
Speaker 4     02:09:50    Each one of those vacuum arms has multiple nozzles. There's spray bottles provided on site so you can clean your mat. There's automatic mat cleaners and, and other features here that allow for the members to get that experience that we're talking about and, and make them come back and be return customers here. We also provide radiant heating at the building mounted situation for washing your mats as well as the egress a tunnel to ensure that even during the winter months, if we're open the same hours, the same amount of time, there's not, there's not that condition where maybe a couple of drips of water freeze things off. You know, we're, we're, we're making an investment in this site and we're looking to make sure it operates efficiently and safely in all conditions. So, you know, the experience is what we're looking for for our customers, and we're trying to convert everybody to a member. So the return customer, the experience, the friendly employees, it's all part of the Spark Car wash model, which you've heard from Matt this evening. It, it, it sets spark apart in the industry and that's why they think they'll be successful at this site.  
Speaker 1     02:10:51    Mr. Mr. Much if I can just, I don't, I hate to interrupt anyone when they're on a roll, but Mr. Chang, I just wanna let you know the board doesn't hear any witnesses after 10 30. Okay. So if you're attempting to try and get everything in this evening, I would probably hit the highlights and any questions the board has and also, you know, obviously address the professional reports. Sure. If you, if you, you know, if you, Mr.  
Speaker 9     02:11:19    Barlow, I wanna, Mr. Barlow, I wanna cut one at a time. We're, we're not voting on this application tonight. Okay. Because let let the counselor finish his application as best he can, but we're not voting on this tonight. Okay.  
Speaker 16    02:11:34    Understood.  
Speaker 9     02:11:35    All right.  
Speaker 16    02:11:37    Yeah, so we, and we're making a methodical record as well, for obvious reasons, so I,  
Speaker 1     02:11:42    Yeah, and I perfectly understand that, Mr. Chang. I just, like I said, I, I didn't wanna blindside yet. 10 26.  
Speaker 16    02:11:49    No. Understood. I appreciate it. Thank you, Paul. Continue.  
Speaker 4     02:11:56    Absolutely. So, moving into the zoning for the site, we are generally a bulk compliance site. The only real variance is from a dimensional standpoint that we're asking for this evening, and you'll hear from our planner, and you'll hear as we move through the application on the variances are there are two vacuum arms, one located here, and one located here at the entrances that are located within the 60 foot accessory structure setback. We have had some discussions with professionals and, and, and we've identified those variances. Part of this, those vacuum arms you'll see in the renderings as we move through our architect, but we are requesting relief for the locations of those, and they just happen to be inside that, certainly outside the, the principle setback of 25 feet and within the site, but within that accessory structure setback. So, just something I wanted to highlight.  
Speaker 4     02:12:42    As we move through the application, we are reducing the impervious coverage in a modest way, but certainly as you can see in the colorized rendering, we're upgrading the landscape and trying to bring kind of a more open and green look to the site as compared to the existing. And then obviously the rear portion of the site that really, it's, it's a, it's a full acre of wooded area that will be remain undisturbed due to the wetland impacts of this site. We do have both a wetland, LOI, that, that confirms the extent of the wetlands, and also we have confirmed that our development does not extend into the wetlands or transition areas. So no wetland permit is required as part of this application. There's also riparian buffers as well as flood hazard areas associated with Doty's brook. Those have been confirmed, the extensive, those have been confirmed via verification with the DEP and we're currently submitted to the DEP for an individual permit for the flood hazard area.  
Speaker 4     02:13:40    That does clip the building in a, in a, in a slight way. Everything designed here is, is in conformance with DEP regulations in that permit will be provided as we move through the application. But again, no expansion of the existing pavement, no ex expansion of the, the existing development footprint just fitting within the DEP regulations and certainly those new flood regulations that increase the flood elevations in fluvial flood zones throughout New Jersey. So looking to comply there, this layout will comply and we'll provide those permits as we move through. One other item I'd like to identify as far as variances as far as site plan, is that we do have a proposed freestanding sign. In the original application, it was a more of a pylon sign. We've moved to a monument sign, which is reduced in area 50.1 square feet, where 32 square feet is, is proposed.  
Speaker 4     02:14:35    And you can, and our architect will show that on the renderings. And you saw a little bit of it on Exhibit A one this evening. We are asking for a variance for the setback from the property line. We're proposing 10 feet where 25 feet is required. But it's important to note the uniqueness of this site. There is kind of this triangular jog in the property line where, you know, we are roughly 35, 36 feet from the, from the physical street line, but we're only 10 feet from the property line. This sign is actually set back two feet further than the existing bank sign. It will be a little bit larger as it extends further into the site, but we have a couple of extra feet of setback here. And if you look up and down the corridor, we're generally consistent with the setback from the curb line.  
Speaker 4     02:15:19    I'm not sure what the other sites of how their property line sets up, but that 30 to 40 foot range of setbacks of signs is kind of borne out in this corridor. And I don't wanna step on my planner's codes and still go through that, but it's consistent and it's one, it'll be one of the smaller signs in this corridor as while there's a lot of multi-tenant pile on signs to the north and south of site. So I'll let our planner get it more into that. But I wanted to highlight the location and the specif specificity of that sign. Even if you look at a 25 foot setback off that prop line, there's not a lot of room to locate that sign in an area that would identify the customers where the driveway is, but also comply with that 25 foot setback. But we're happy to discuss that positioning with the board as we move through the application.  
Speaker 4     02:16:05    Landscaping investment and plantings here is a core value of the spark model. They look to accentuate their architecture with the landscaping. So as you can see here, we're providing a, a robust landscaping plan. And what this plan does is it kind of brings the, some of the landscaping to the front of the site where the bank building is front. Currently, we're trying to open that up, provide a more open and airy and green field to the site in the proposed condition, bringing all season interest with multiple perennials and grasses and shrubs provided. We have 31 trees, more than 200 shrubs, and more than 300 perennials and grasses provided for this site. In addition to the green areas that you see as far as grass areas located along the frontage and, and, and the exterior of the site, stormwater management is relatively simple for this site.  
Speaker 4     02:16:57    We are modestly reducing the impervious coverage, which allows us to naturally comply with the various DEP and local stormwater regulations. But we will, we will be installing all new conveyance system, but discharging at the same point. There's a, there's a manhole and a head wall that heads off into Doty's book that this site will, will also discharge to. So the dps getting to look at that stormwater, your professionals, we intend to comply with their comments, but naturally meeting the, the regulations by increasing impervious coverage in landscaping plantings, overall lighting for theis provided via state-of-the-art LED lights, those lights are all back shielded as far as the aerial lights and focused around the vacuum park as well as the key features, the entrance, the circulation, the pay stations, and the tunnel. There's near zero light spill at all sides of this site. And that doesn't not take into account any of the buffering plantings.  
Speaker 4     02:17:54    So we, we really focused it on this site and, and limited lights spill off the site. There was some comments in your professionals review letters about dimming lights overnight and turning off the vacuum, the vacuum arms. Those are acceptable conditions as part of this application. And I should just mention, each one of those vacuum arms has an LED strip on it that really is meant to illuminate inside your car door after hours in those kind of winter months when, when it gets darker a little bit, bit early and then we'll dim the lights overnight. We're happy to comply with, with those conditions that were outlined. Finally, utilities for this site are all relatively simple as well. There's public utilities provided along Stelton Road. We're gonna look to reuse the water and gas connections as we can for the bank. We have to confirm the viability and the sizing of that, but there's existing valves and existing lines that we'll try to reuse. We'll establish a new sanitary connection to the main along Stelton Road. We did receive comments from the sewer department. We intend to comply with all of those. A new underground electrical service will be provided to the bank or provided to the car wash from the, from Stelton Road as well. So all, all relatively simple utility makeup here. And with that, I'll turn it over, Jeff, if you have anything else you'd like me to cover, but that, I think that covers the highlights of the site. Yeah,  
Speaker 16    02:19:11    I think you covered the highlights and I just wanna be, you know, for the sake of the, the record, your, your testimony is based on the obviously exhibits that you've just shown, but also the plans that were entitled. Preliminary final major site plan for Spark car wash, proposed car wash block 54 4 0 1 lot 8.0 1 10 38 Sullivan Road Township of Piscataway Mills County Jersey Consist of 18 sheets prepared by Stonefield Engineering dated August 11th, 2023, revised through December 1st, 2023. And then last revised March 1st, 2024. Does that sound accurate?  
Speaker 4     02:19:41    Yes, that's correct.  
Speaker 16    02:19:43    Good. Would that be said Madam chair board members? I, I open Mr. M up to you for any questions or clarifications you may require, require  
Speaker 0     02:19:53    Members of the board. Do you have any questions of this witness?  
Speaker 9     02:19:56    Madam chair, this is Mayor Wahler real quickly, during Hurricane Ida, that area was substantially impacted. Matter of fact, so much that we actually, somebody unfortunately was deceased right there because of the raging waters of the Doty brook and the impact that came on the property. Question it right there. What, what is the Deps comment on that? Did they mention anything that there was a fatal right there and matter of fact, there was two people that were sucked under there, right, right, right there on that site. One was deceased and one person miraculously lived right on that site because it became a raging river right there over your, the property in question right now.  
Speaker 4     02:20:53    Yeah. And, and certainly and the, the DEP did not mention the fatality there, but the newly introduced flood hazard rules associated with all fluvial waterways, which Dodi's brook is increased the flood elevation that we have to design to by two feet. So basically it, it took the da, the DEP took the data that they got from the IIDA storm and revamped their entire interior flood hazard areas in New Jersey. So the proposed development that we have is elevated above that two foot increase in the flood hazard area. And that'll all be reflected in the DEP permits, but we are confidently outside of that flood hazard area and the proposed condition as far as our improvements and, and in complete conformance with DEP regulations as far as flood storage. So understood that, that during a, an emergency storm like that Doty's brook is, is going to be sub a substantial flow of water. But we've designed our site in accordance with all DEP regulations and we'll have a permit reflecting the same for that two foot increase. That was basically a direct response to the conditions that they observed in in ida.  
Speaker 9     02:22:04    No other questions. Madam chair.  
Speaker 0     02:22:07    Thank you. Any other members before I open it to the public? Okay, we'll open it to the public now. Anyone in the public wishing to,  
Speaker 16    02:22:15    Can you remove screen share, Paul?  
Speaker 0     02:22:18    Yes. But could you take that, the exhibit  
Speaker 4     02:22:21    That Oh, that's fine. Yeah, I was, I always forget you can't speak. There you go.  
Speaker 0     02:22:25    Thank you. It  
Speaker 2     02:22:25    Just makes my life easier. Thank you. Yeah,  
Speaker 0     02:22:27    That's all I'm trying to do, Laura. That's  
Speaker 2     02:22:29    It. Appreciate it. Anyone and two on her feet. Have anybody, anybody in the public have any questions or comments? Noah Madam chair.  
Speaker 0     02:22:38    Thank you. Close to the public. Well, I, if you have any more witnesses, I guess we will save them for the next time. Or you have, you think you can get them through tonight?  
Speaker 1     02:22:52    We lost Jeff for a second there. I don't know who he's calling as his next witness. I think he got disconnected. Madam chair.  
Speaker 2     02:23:09    Let's give him a moment. The, oh, he's coming back on now I see him. Okay.  
Speaker 17    02:23:16    We said, we said the stop was at 10 30, correct?  
Speaker 0     02:23:20    Correct. You have another witness? Okay.  
Speaker 2     02:23:23    He's coming on now, Mr. Chang. Yeah,  
Speaker 17    02:23:24    We do have a couple others. I'm just Okay. Just wondering if it makes sense to,  
Speaker 1     02:23:30    Oh, there he is.  
Speaker 16    02:23:31    Apologies. I I got booted off my iPad for some reason. I, I'm sorry  
Speaker 0     02:23:36    That happens.  
Speaker 16    02:23:37    So I I was like, that was a little weird. So we, I I'm sorry, where do we leave off? I, I know Paul's taking off screenshot to make sure the public was heard. Was there any public comment?  
Speaker 1     02:23:50    Nope. You were asked who your next witness was.  
Speaker 16    02:23:53    Sure, yeah. You know, knowing there's a cutoff at 10 30, I would ask if we could do the architect. I, I think we can accomplish that in 30 minutes, if that's okay with the board. Sure,  
Speaker 0     02:24:01    Certainly. Go ahead.  
Speaker 16    02:24:02    With that said. So Oliver Young at GKA architecture is my next witness. If I could have him sworn in and qualified as a professional architect in the state of New Jersey.  
Speaker 1     02:24:13    Certainly Mr. Young, if you could state your name, spell your last name, and give us your professional address for the record.  
Speaker 19    02:24:19    Yes, good evening everyone. My name is Oliver Young, last name spelled Y-O-U-N-G. I'm a principal at GK NA Architects, our business address is 36 Ames Avenue on Rutherford, New Jersey.  
Speaker 1     02:24:33    Okay. If you raise your right hand, swear the testimony give before this board will be the whole truth.  
Speaker 19    02:24:37    Yes, I do.  
Speaker 1     02:24:38    Your witness, Mr. Chang.  
Speaker 16    02:24:40    Sure. Oliver, could you give your professional qualifications ed education and confirm your licenses are all in good standing?  
Speaker 19    02:24:49    Sure. Good evening everyone. I hold a bachelor's degree in architecture from Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute located in Troy, New York. I have practiced in the field of architecture for over 25 years. I've been a licensed architect in the state of New Jersey for over 18 years and my license is current and my qualifications have been accepted at over 60 planning and zoning boards throughout the state of New Jersey, including the zoning board in Piscataway, not the planning board.  
Speaker 16    02:25:19    I would ask Madam chair if we could accept Mr. Y as a professional. Yes. Accept it as a perfect, yes. Thank you. So Oliver, if you could walk us through, first I'd like to just confirm the architecture plans that you submitted and you're relying on are entitled Proposed Car Smart Car Wash Block 54 0 1 lot 8.0 1 10 30 Sell Road Township of Piscataway consisting of four sheets prepared by GK and a architect's PC date is September 29th, 2023. Revised through March 1st, 2024. Is that accurate?  
Speaker 19    02:25:48    That is accurate, Jeff. Okay.  
Speaker 16    02:25:50    Alright. And if you could walk the, I know you have some exhibits this evening to share as well. If you could just walk in the board through in the narrative, the design building materials, colors, finish elevation, compliance floor plan and signage.  
Speaker 19    02:26:06    Gladly. Will do. I'm gonna share my thank you screen right now. And these drawings here are an electronic copy of the drawings Jeff just referenced. So I'm not sure if I need to mark those as an exhibit per se. There we go. This is the first sheet, A 1 0 4. It's the standard spark building layout floor area. Footprints 4,841 square.  
Speaker 1     02:26:31    I just have your screen.  
Speaker 19    02:26:34    Hmm.  
Speaker 1     02:26:34    Not a picture.  
Speaker 19    02:26:36    Lemme try again. Yep.  
Speaker 16    02:26:38    There you, you had it earlier and then you went to your file of just the name of the file for some reason  
Speaker 19    02:26:50    Now it should be working. Yep,  
Speaker 16    02:26:52    Yep.  
Speaker 19    02:26:53    All right.  
Speaker 1     02:26:54    Just for completeness sake, why don't we just call it a four and we'll just keep going.  
Speaker 16    02:26:58    Yep, sure. Thank you.  
Speaker 19    02:27:06    This is the floor plan. It is 4,841 square feet in footprint, overall dimensions of 36 by 1 39. It's not a true rectangle, it's actually two shifted rectangles. The tunnel, which you see here in Plan South, which is actually the south side of the site, takes up the entire length of that building. It's 21 feet wide and the northern most section of that is all the ancillary or support for that. That's the office, the employee bathroom, oh, employee bathroom, break room, storage room, equipment room and electrical room going from west to east. And for reference purposes on the right hand side of the sheet, that's the tunnel exit. That face is east, which is Stelton Road. And that's what we consider the front of the building and the building sits perpendicular to Stelton Road. And now Jeff, I'm actually going to introduce the, the new exhibit now I think it's the appropriate time. We're going to introduce a new architectural plan for spark changes that have occurred since we originally designed this site.  
Speaker 19    02:28:16    In in summary, what we're doing is we're mirroring the entire building and the tunnel, instead of facing the outside or the south of the site, the tunnel is now going to face the interior of the site, the vacuum spaces. And the main reason being is there's a decent amount of glass in the tunnel right here. And we want that glass, we want that to face the vacuum spaces. So I'm going to share this new exhibit here. I'll have to mark this, I believe as a five. Yes sir. This is prepared by GK and A under my direction. It's floor plan and elevation updates dated May 7th, 2024. And all we've done is flip the building. So now the tunnel is on the north side of the property as opposed to the south side. No other changes to the building. In terms of the, the offsets that I mentioned, it's approximately a four foot offset on the east and west sides between the tunnel and the ancillary supports dimensions, overall footprint, no changes whatsoever and I want to keep, keep emphasizing that as I introduce the exhibits. I'm going to switch now to the elevations and I'm going to pull up the original rendering package we prepared based on the original design first. This is actually five sheets.  
Speaker 19    02:30:00    I believe I can mark them all as a six.  
Speaker 16    02:30:04    Correct.  
Speaker 19    02:30:06    And I'm not going to show all the sheets. I'm going to go to some of the, the rendering views. And this is what Matt started off. Mr. Canal started off with his testimony. This was R two. This is an existing view of the site. And then we have on the next page at the proposed view of the site. This is the original design that was submitted to the board. So it looks slightly different than exhibit R one, which is actually the new design. I just wanna walk the board, show the board the original and the new. So you can see that we're literally flipping the building in place. In terms of the massing of the building, the parapet heights vary between 18 and 18 foot eight inches. They step up on the short sides of the building on the east and west, that eight inch transition, there's also a taller section at the rear of the building. I'm highlighting it with my cursor right here. That steps up to 22 feet, two inches. Then at the front of the building we have what was originally designed as a wedge element. It's an eye catcher, which also presented an opportunity for signage. That wedge element was angled and pitched. It topped off at 25 foot six inches to the highest point, which is on the south side and sloped down if you follow my cursor to a low point of 20 feet, one inches.  
Speaker 19    02:31:28    Now I'm going to pull up the same rendering, which is what we referenced during Mr. Canal's testimony. So you can see the differences and that I'm going to walk the board through the materials at that time. Bear with me a second while this opens. Now this is R one, sorry, exhibit A one, which was introduced at the start of the hearing. So you can see if I, I, I don't want to confuse the board and flip back and forth. The building sits in the same spot. We've simply pulled the tunnel to this side to face the vacuum spaces and you can see the glazing along the tunnel. The heights of the building have not changed. The 22 foot, two inch bump out is now at the south side facing the other property. We have redesigned this wedge element. We've removed the slope of it. It's now a standard height of 24, sorry, 23 feet, four inches.  
Speaker 19    02:32:31    So it's actually two feet lower than originally designed. And what with this new design, flipping the tunnel to this side, it presented us an opportunity for a more uniform signage package here in regards to colors and materials, no changes to the colors, no changes to the materials. With this architectural revision I'm referring to, it's a sleek modern design, no matter what way you look at it. The finishes are contemporary and we have a tasteful yet eye-catching use of of color. There's three prevalent materials on the building. We have metal panels in both the blue and white finishes. This looks a little gray. It's just a shadow from the rendering. We also have gray corrugated metal siding and a white exterior porcelain tile. You'll also see an orange accent band prevalent along the tunnel side. That accent band is also present on the south side of the building.  
Speaker 19    02:33:31    And that band turns into a projecting canopy of three feet over the tunnel entrance, which you can't see here, it's at the rear of the site. But we have the same flat three foot orange canopy at the tunnel exit over the tunnel itself. That orange canopy projects out one foot, one foot. In regards to glazing, the majority of glazing is along the tunnel elevation. We also have a small amount of glazing at the office area, which is at the back of the property. You can't see it here. Plus one small window at the break room for the employees to have some natural light.  
Speaker 19    02:34:12    In regards to building signage, we originally proposed four signs for the building. I'm going to pivot back to exhibit A six, which was our original rendering package. And I'll pull up the first sheet of that, which was the colorized building elevations. You could see the four signs here in the original design. We had one on the east elevation facing Stelton Road. We had another sign and it was a Spark logo with the word spark car wash below it. Then on the north elevation, which faces the vacuum spaces, we have again a Spark logo with the words spark car wash. We also have a smaller sign at an area called the Spark Park, which I actually wanted to touch upon. That's a, a mat cleaning area where customers can take the car mats out of their cars, walk up to this and get their mats washed.  
Speaker 19    02:35:10    That area is called the Spark Park. It has additional cleaning materials and supplies, but that's a, an identification sign and that's 8.8 square feet. And then we had one additional sign on the south elevation, which was the Spark logo. So our original signage package had four different signs totalling 144.9 square feet with our updated building design. And again, I apologize for pivoting back and forth between exhibits. I'm pulling up the first page of the revised architectural. This was dating, this is exhibit A one. This is the first page of it. It's updated colorized building elevations, again dated May 7th. We're down to three building signs on the east elevation. Same exact sign as we originally proposed on the north elevation, we have the same type of sign, but it's actually larger. It matches the, it matches the sign on the east elevation and size. The original design, those two signs on the east and north didn't match.  
Speaker 19    02:36:15    The north elevation was slightly smaller. However, with this newly designed element, we felt it was important to have the signage match. We still have the same Spark Park signage at the same size. However, we've eliminated the fourth sign, which was that Spark logo on the south elevation. So we've gone from four signs to three signs. However, the signage square footage has increased and that's due to this Spark car wash sign in the north elevation now being the same size as the Spark car wash sign on the east elevation. So we're proposing three total signs at a total square footage of 160.8 square feet. The Spark Park sign is only 8.8 square feet. And the two other Spark and Spark logo signs are 76 square feet each. I wanna make one important distinction about the size of those two spark signs. When we do our calculations, we're drawing a rectangle around the outermost extents of those signs. So that includes the logo and the word spark car wash. And we're essentially drawing a rectangle. I'm not gonna try to draw it here. I'll, I'll screw up the program.  
Speaker 19    02:37:32    We're drawing a rectangle as big as possible per ordinance. What that means is there's a lot of dead space to the right and to the left of this logo that we have to count in our square footage calculations. When we take the area of that dead space, it's actually 24 square feet per sign of not logo and not lettering. There's 12 square feet here and 12 square feet here. On the right hand side of that. You do that times two. That's 48 square feet of dead signage area in our opinion, which factor in to the total proposed facade signage of 160.8. If you do some simple math and subtract that 48 square feet of dead space, that actually gives us 112.8 square feet of signage. And that is important to address because we are allowed of total maximum area of 88.9 square feet of building mounted signage. And I'll leave it at that. In regards to the signage. I believe our planner at a future hearing will delve further in to the need for relief for signage. Jeff, I've covered everything I wanted to address in my direct. Is there anything else you wanted me to hit upon?  
Speaker 16    02:38:48    No, I, I think that you, you touched upon everything, Madam, chair board members, I open Mr. Young, up to you for questions and clarifications.  
Speaker 0     02:38:58    Members of the board, do you have any questions individually for this witness  
Speaker 1     02:39:06    Hearing?  
Speaker 0     02:39:07    No answer. I'd like to open it up to the public for any questions that they may have. Okay. You've taken it down. Members of the public. Do you have any questions of the witness that you've heard tonight of this witness? The architect?  
Speaker 2     02:39:25    No. And Madam chair.  
Speaker 0     02:39:26    Thank you. Close to the public, I believe. Then this will conclude your testimony for this evening.  
Speaker 16    02:39:36    Yeah. E exactly. Madam chair. If we could be carried to the next hearing date. I think it was June 12th.  
Speaker 0     02:39:43    June 12th, yes.  
Speaker 16    02:39:44    So that we could finish  
Speaker 0     02:39:45    We, based on our, our 12th agenda. Mr. Barlow? Yes.  
Speaker 1     02:39:50    And, and any members of the public that are here, there won't be any further notice. The notice you already were served with, and we're announcing it here that the meeting will be, it'll be carried to the June 12th planning board meeting at seven 30.  
Speaker 16    02:40:07    Thank you for your time.  
Speaker 2     02:40:08    Thank you. Can I just make for the public the Zoom information will be different. It will be on our website a few days prior to the hearing for you to sign on the meeting.  
Speaker 0     02:40:18    Alright, thank you. Thank you everyone. Thank you. Thank you. Mothers Day weekend. Everybody alright? Yep. Every mother's days. Bye-Bye bye. Have a good night, Jeff. Thank you. Take care, Mr. Marlow. All right. We just need a motion to adjourn. We need a motion to adjourn. Oh, good thing I didn't sign off. Can I get a motion to adjourn from the board, please?  
Speaker 3     02:40:46    Madam chair. Reverend Kinneally. I make a motion to adjourn me  
Speaker 0     02:40:50    Here or second? Second. Councilwoman. Cahill. All in favor? Aye Favor. Have a good night everyone. Good night. Happy Mother's Day. Good, thank you.