Transcript for Piscataway Zoning meeting on October 24 2024

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Oct 24 2024 · Zoning
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Meeting Sections
  • 00:00:02 — Meeting Opening
  • 00:00:10 — Agenda Adjustments and Postponements
  • 00:00:40 — Item 7: Case 24-ZB-52V - Daniel Harris Canola (Shed Variance) 24-ZB-52V
  • 00:05:21 — Item 6: Adoption of 2025 Zoning Board Calendar
  • 00:05:30 — Item 9: Case 24-ZB-49V - JRJ Fence Installation 24-ZB-49V
  • 00:07:18 — Item 12: Case 24-ZB-51V - Ann Nor Academy Temporary Use Permit 24-ZB-51V
  • 00:25:47 — Adoption of Resolutions from October 10, 2024 Regular Meeting 24-ZB-51V
  • 00:27:27 — Minutes Adoption and Adjournment
Meeting Opening AI  00:00:02 – 00:00:10
Chairman opens the Zoning Board of Adjustment meeting and requests agenda changes from staff.
Speaker 1Sorry about that. My dog tripped me while I was getting up. Mr. Kinneally, are there any changes to the agenda this evening?
Agenda Adjustments and Postponements AI  00:00:10 – 00:00:40
Staff announces four cases postponed to November 14th: Juan Torres Sunburst Land (notice required), Case Field (no further notice unless application changes), All Switch (no further notice), and 4 29 Bell Street (notice of one property owner required).
Speaker 0Yes, there are. Juan Torres five sunburst land is postponed until November 14th. They must notice the property owners surrounding them case field is postponed until November 14th with no further notice unless the application changes. All switch is postponed until November 14th with no further notice. And finally, 4 29 Bell Street is postponed until November 14th. They must notice one property owner.
Item 7: Case 24-ZB-52V - Daniel Harris Canola (Shed Variance) 24-ZB-52V AI  00:00:40 – 00:05:18
Applicant Daniel Harris Canola seeks zoning ordinance approval to authorize a shed at 1107 Eva Street, with staff noting the location is characteristic of the neighborhood. Public testimony from a neighboring property owner clarified the notice requirement. Application approved unanimously.
Speaker 1Thank you Mr. Kenley. Let's start with item number 7 24 dash ZB dash 52 V. Daniel Harris Kola. Correct. Oh good. I'm glad I got it.
Speaker 0Could you raise your right hand? Do you swear that the testimony you're about to give should be the truth?
Speaker 3Yes.
Speaker 0Your name and address please?
Speaker 3Daniel j Paris Canola. 1107 EVA Street, Piscataway, New Jersey.
Speaker 0Thank you. You can put your hand down and explain to the board why you're here.
Speaker 3I'm here for a zoning ordinance for my shed to get it authorized, you know, for approval.
Speaker 1Mr. Chadwick, are you on the
Speaker 2Yes I am. You
Speaker 1Are. Is there any issues that we saw here with the site? Impact
Speaker 2The, the site impact in terms of its location is characteristic of the neighborhood, but the recommendations are that if or when a the shed would be replaced, it would be replaced in conforming location. And the same for the existing garage. The cross? No, I'm sorry, I got that mixed up. Those are the two recommendations.
Speaker 1Are you okay with that Mr. Paris Gondola?
Speaker 3Yes I am.
Speaker 1Okay, good. Any other members of the board have any questions or comments for this application? Hearing young, I'm gonna open it to the public.
Speaker 4Absolutely.
Speaker 1Anyone in the public have any comments or questions about this application?
Speaker 4Yes, I do.
Speaker 1Laura, do you recognize
Speaker 5It's a phone number ending in three? One. Three one.
Speaker 1Okay.
Speaker 0Phone number? Three. One. Three one. Could I have your name and address please?
Speaker 4Mrs 1115 South Washington Avenue, Piscataway 0 8 8 5 4.
Speaker 0Could you spell your name for us?
Speaker 4Last name? N as in Nancy, WAF as in Frank, U as in unicorn, L as in Larry, U as in unicorn, M as in Mary, E as in Edward.
Speaker 0Okay, I need to swear you in. Could you raise your right hand? Do you swear that the testimony you're about to give should be the truth,
Speaker 4Nothing but the truth? Yes.
Speaker 0Thank you. Could you tell us what your comment or question is?
Speaker 4I received a letter in the mail about the shade. I'm not really understanding the main reason why I'm in here because I don't, I don't know. I do not understand what the letter was saying.
Speaker 0You received the letter because you own property within 200 feet of this property. The applicant was required to send you a letter as he was required to send to all property owners within 200 feet.
Speaker 4Okay? I asked who the applicant is, please.
Speaker 0The Applicant is Mr. Paris Granola. Who just testified.
Speaker 4I'm not agreeing. I'm not agreeing. I'm not in agreement with that because my shed is in my yard inside my fence and my property. I'm still not clear of what the problem is all about.
Speaker 1It's nothing to do with your property, sir. Ma'am, this is, this is informing you that one of your neighbors was, was coming in to have a hearing about his shed. We've heard it and we're not concerned about your shed or your property, sir. By law he has to inform the people that are surrounding the property within 200 feet that he was coming in for a, for some relief. You're okay? Okay.
Speaker 4Yes. Okay. Alright. Just thank you sir for clarifying.
Speaker 1No problem,
Speaker 4Sir. Thank
Speaker 1You. Laura.
Speaker 5Anyone else within 200 feet for this application for Eva Street? No. One chairman.
Speaker 1Okay. Close the public portion. I'd make a motion to approve this application. Can I get a second?
Speaker 5I a second
Speaker 1Please Call the roll.
Speaker 5Mr. Weisman? Yes. Mr. Tillery?
Speaker 1Yes.
Speaker 5Mr. Patel? Yes. Mr. Regio? Yes. Mr. Blo? Yes. Mr. Heka? Yes. Mr. Ley? Yes. And Chairman Cahill?
Speaker 1Yes.
Speaker 0Your application has been approved. We'll memorialize it in a written document at our next meeting and we'll mail that document to you.
Speaker 1Thank you very much. Thank you sir. Good evening,
Item 6: Adoption of 2025 Zoning Board Calendar AI  00:05:21 – 00:05:30
Board adopts the 2025 zoning board meeting calendar by unanimous vote.
Speaker 5Mr. Chairman. Cahill real quick. Yes. We skipped number six. That was the discussion item just for the calendar for next year.
Speaker 1I apologize.
Speaker 5I just thought,
Item 9: Case 24-ZB-49V - JRJ Fence Installation 24-ZB-49V AI  00:05:30 – 00:07:17
Applicant Joel Coria seeks approval for fence installation around property with an easement running through the yard, with acknowledgment that the property owner is responsible for removing and replacing the fence if easement access is needed. No public comment received. Application approved unanimously.
Speaker 1Yeah, just myself. The same thing. Let's go back to item number six, adoption of the 2025 zoning board of adjustment calendar. All fa All in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. Okay. Let's move on to item number nine, which is 24 dash zb dash 49 VJRJ fence installation.
Speaker 0Is it representative of JRJ present? Yes. I'm
Speaker 4Here.
Speaker 0Your name sir? Joel Coria. Spell your last name please.
Speaker 6C-O-R-I-A.
Speaker 0Okay. I need to swear you in. Could you raise your right hand? Yep. Do you swear the testimony you're about to give should be the truth?
Speaker 6Yes.
Speaker 0Could you ex tell the board while you're here?
Speaker 6Yeah. I have my customer's house at 11. Ley is looking at fence around her property on the right side. There's an easement going through her yard. We're just looking for relief. For relief for that.
Speaker 0And you understand or your client understands that if access to the easement is necessary, they would be responsible for removing and replacing the fence.
Speaker 6Yes.
Speaker 1Any other members of the board of any questions or comments for this individual? Hearing none. I'm gonna close. I'm gonna open it up to the public. Anyone in the public have any questions or comments for this individual?
Speaker 5No. One chairman.
Speaker 1Okay. Close the public portion. I'd make a motion to approve this application. Can I get a second? I'll set it. Make the call.
Speaker 5Mr. Weisman? Yes. Mr. Tillery? Yes. Mr. Patel? Yes. Mr. Regio? Yes. Mr. Blo? Yes. Mr. Heka? Yes. Mr. Riley? Yes. And Chairman Cahill?
Speaker 1Yes.
Speaker 0The application's been approved. We'll memorialize it in the written document at our next meeting and mail that document to the property owner.
Speaker 6Beautiful. Thank you. Have
Speaker 1A great night sir. You have
Speaker 5A good night.
Item 12: Case 24-ZB-51V - Ann Nor Academy Temporary Use Permit 24-ZB-51V AI  00:07:18 – 00:25:47
Ann Nor Academy seeks a 6-month temporary use permit for approximately 150 K-4 students to use the Muslim Center of Middlesex County during renovations to their permanent location. Testimony covered fire inspector capacity certifications, staggered drop-off/pick-up schedules coordinated with Friday prayer times, and traffic safety improvements including speed humps. Approved 6-0 with one board member recused.
Speaker 1Shoot on down to item number 1224 dash ZB dash 51 V and no Academy.
Speaker 7Thank you. Good evening. Members of the board, board professionals. My name is Tim Arch, attorney licensed in state of New Jersey here representing Ann Nor Academy. You will recall that we were in front of you not too long ago asking for a, or getting a, an application for 3 99 hose lane, which will be the location that houses their K through four students. Although that location needs to be fitted out before the students can start going there. And so because the school year has already started, the reason that we're here tonight is that we are asking for a six month temporary use permit to allow the and nor Academy students to temporarily use the Muslim Center of Middlesex County located a thousand hose lane as the school at during the time the 3 99 hose lane is being fitted out. So as you're aware, the temporary use permit standards as per your ordinance, is that it?
Speaker 7We need to demonstrate that there's not gonna be a substantial detriment to the uses or activities in the zone and that it it that a grant of this will contribute materially to the welfare of the township, particularly during emergent matters. So I do have two witnesses tonight. One is Mr. Chma Chama Malik, who's the director of Ann Nora Academy, who you've, you've heard before testify. And I also have John Ray who's our traffic expert. And I think through both of those testimonies we'll be able to show that it's not gonna have any substantial detriment and that it will contribute materially to the welfare of the township. So we do have a memorandum that is dated September 20th from your professional staff. It has seven different items and conditions outlined in it. And I think probably the best way to elucidate the testimony is going to be to just go through that memorandum with our witnesses. So unless there's any Hi
Speaker 0Ben.
Speaker 7Hello. Unless there's any other questions for me or any other matters, we can begin with the testimony. You can proceed please.
Speaker 2I, one, one moment. I did see yes, John a report on July 20, dated July 23rd. A number of the items are similar to those in the site impact statement just spoken to. So if I think there's something else that should be discussed, I'll bring it up.
Speaker 7Oh, thank you Mr. Chadwick. Okay, so Chma Malik would be our first witness. Sure,
Speaker 0Please. Mr. Malik, could you raise your right hand? Do you swear that the testimony you're about to give should be the truth?
Speaker 8Yes.
Speaker 0Your name and address please. You can put your hand down.
Speaker 8Chael Malick 60 Timber Hill Drive, Franklin Park, New Jersey. 0 8 8 2 3.
Speaker 0Thank you.
Speaker 7Okay, so excuse me, Chael. So you've been before this board not long ago. I just want you to confirm that you are a representative of and nor Academy. You're familiar with the program and familiar with the MCMC location having run and nor from that location for many years. Is that correct?
Speaker 8Yes, that's correct.
Speaker 7Okay. So let's go through the staff memo and start answering the questions individually and see where that takes us. So question number one or the first comment was to provide some testimony on the proposed construction schedule for 3 99 hose lane. Can you tell us a little bit about what that schedule is?
Speaker 8Sure. We have received several bids from contractors that we brought to the site. Most of them average about 12 to 14 weeks. So we anticipate about a four month build out to be able to move in if you factor in permits, which generally the state of New Jersey requires or allows up to 20 business days. You're talking about between four to five months, which I think will overlap nicely with our Ramadan break. And then for us to be able to move in around March to early April of 2025.
Speaker 7Okay, great. So number two on the list is to confirm the burn number of students enrolled the number of K through four students that are gonna be accommodated at the facility. So can you tell us us a little bit about that?
Speaker 8Yeah, currently Anor has 282 students enrolled at the MCMC 1000 hose lane location. An additional 150 students will be accommodated temporarily at the mosque and, and the building, which is effectively the school. And this is temporarily until 3 99. Hose lane is completely fit out. Inspections have passed and we can officially move in after the co. There's also 99 seminary students that are a part of anor who utilize the MCMC site as well as a hundred what we call ECL Early Childhood Learning students. So those are the younger students. However, the ECL students are housed in a separate facility on the site. So the max number of occupants in total, that'll be utilizing the MCMC building as 531.
Speaker 7Okay. And so in your opinion, can the site accommodate that many students?
Speaker 8It can. As a matter of fact, one of the requirements was to have the fire inspector come to the site. So the fire ins department was on site to determine the capacities for the existing classrooms as well, as well as the gym and the cafeteria and the existing classrooms combined can accommodate 401 occupants. The gym can accommodate up to 395 occupants and the cafeteria can accommodate 101. So we plan on reconfiguring some of the existing large areas such as the gym and the cafeteria as temporary classroom settings for the older students.
Speaker 7Okay. And, and if needed, will the township fire inspector be allowed to come and inspect the, the property again to ensure adequate capacity?
Speaker 8Yeah, absolutely. We've already invited the inspector to come in last month and where we were able to get our capacity numbers that I just mentioned and those certificates were provided to the township staff, but we're happy to have the inspector visit again to confirm that everything's compliant as we implement accommodating the additional students.
Speaker 7Okay. So we indicated that in terms of drop off and pickup times at the MCMC site, that we're gonna stagger those to avoid having too much impact on traffic at any given time. Can you explain what the proposed schedule is?
Speaker 8Yeah, so the proposed schedule in terms of drop off, because most of the parents are coming from Piscataway itself, there is a school bus also that comes. But in terms of the timings, we've got the seminary students, which I mentioned is about 99 students. They come to the main building that's between 7 25 to seven 40. So we give each segment about 15 minutes to come and exit the parking lot. And then there is a 15 minute gap to then allow the parking lot to effectively empty out. And then elementary, middle school and high school students that come to the main building is from 7 55 to eight 10. And then we allow some time for our younger students, the infants and toddlers who the parents, they park their cars and they actually, you know, handhold them and walk them into the buildings. They're coming from eight 15 to eight 30 as for pickup, similar type of a situation where it's staggered two 40 to 2 55 for the seminary students. And then we allow some time for the parking lot to empty out. Elementary middle school high school is three o'clock to three 15. And the infants and toddlers and preschoolers, they're also two 40 to two 50, same as the seminary students. However, they're on two completely separate sides of the parking lot with two different egresses to be able to, to leave.
Speaker 7Okay. And there's also a Friday prayer schedule that occurs. Correct. And so one of the things that you've done is to actually coordinate it so that dismissals are not going to in any way conflict with, with those, those prayer service times. Is that correct?
Speaker 8That that's absolutely correct. So we are, we're doing early dismissal to up until 1230 every single Friday, which ensures that staff and students vacate the premises and then they can go to, you know, their Friday prayers and their respective hometowns. The first prayer doesn't start till one 15 and it goes till 1 45. But, you know, the, the school is more or less completely emptied out well before that.
Speaker 7Okay. And
Speaker 8We're also just one other thing I wanted to add is we're also hiring cops to assist with traffic controls on Friday during the first and second prayers, which are the two prayers that fill up the most and have the most occupants.
Speaker 7Okay. And so one of the, one of, one of the, the things that you would mentioned is to hire Piscataway police to help just make sure that there isn't any additional congestion or traffic issues during those peak times, correct? That is
Speaker 8Correct, yes.
Speaker 7And one of the things that you did mention that I do wanna bring up is just that those prayer schedules throughout the year are subject to slight changes because they're based on, I guess the length of the day, the the, you know, when sunrise and sunset is, are you're willing to also coordin to continue to coordinate those dismissal times so that if any of those prayer times start to shift, you can shift your dismissal time so that they're not conflicting with one another? Correct. Yeah,
Speaker 8That's a hundred percent correct. We'd be willing to do is continue to coordinate the dismissal times on those Fridays as the year progresses. And by just, you know, explanation are prayer times changed throughout the year in relation to the sundown. So the days are gonna get shorter. So there are times throughout the six month period where we will be making adjustments to the dismissal times to make sure that no dismissal occurs during the start of the prayer session.
Speaker 7Okay. I think six on the memo talks about traffic testimony, so we'll leave that for Mr. Ray. And I think finally the last one was providing, providing letters and, and indicating dates, times, and services to perform by the Piscataway pd. We agree that, we'll, that we will provide basically a list of when we're going need those, those individuals. Correct.
Speaker 8Right.
Speaker 7Okay. I believe that is all my direct testimony from Mr. Malik.
Speaker 1Okay. Thank you. Anyone else on the board? John, did you have any jump in with
Speaker 2John? Only one question. I maybe Mr. Rays gonna address it. The parents dropping in off and picking up their kids. The plan showed, it appeared to show that the drop off pickup area was being removed as you moved to phase two of your project.
Speaker 7I th I think Mr. Chadwick, you might be looking at the 3 99 hose proposal. Yeah, that's which is, which is what is being fit out. Which is why we need the relief tonight for the temporary use moving a thousand home lane.
Speaker 2We'll do that later.
Speaker 7Yes.
Speaker 2Okay. In terms of the everyday practice, do you have teachers or others directing parents in terms of the kids getting in and out of the car or Yes. Along?
Speaker 8Yes we do. So right at the entrance we have both teachers and a security guard both at the ECL building sites as well as the main building.
Speaker 2Alright, so you have experience in that.
Speaker 8Oh yeah. It was actually requested by parents years ago. So we've had that running system for as long as I can remember.
Speaker 2It works.
Speaker 8It does.
Speaker 2Yeah. That's the only question. Mr. Chairman,
Speaker 1Thank you. Thank you John. Any other members of the board of any questions for Mr. Malik? Okay, Mr. Arch, put on your traffic expert then please.
Speaker 7Thank you. I would call Mr. John Ray.
Speaker 0Mr. Ray, could you raise your right hand? Do you swear the testimony you're about to give should be the truth? I do. Your name and address please.
Speaker 9John Ray, REA, a principal with McDonough and Ray Associates, traffic Engineers 1431 Lakewood Road, Manasqua, New Jersey.
Speaker 0I believe that Mr. Ray has been accepted as a traffic engineer before this board on prior
Speaker 9Occasions. Absolutely agree. Please proceed. Thank you. Thank you.
Speaker 7Mr. Ray, you've had the opportunity to visit the site, observe the circulation, the traffic during the busiest times. Can you let the board know your opinion is how to, how the site currently operates and if you believe it can still operate effectively with the temporary influx of more students?
Speaker 9Yes, I have. And I spent a considerable amount of time, probably an hour and a half, one afternoon to observe the pickup procedure. It was the last week of September and what I observed was that all of the smaller children, toddlers, the early learning school kids, they were all accompanied by a parent. There were no small kids wandering around the parking lot. The parents all had the little kids in tow taking care of them, being careful, you know, walking throughout the parking lot, getting to their cars. And I can tell you that in general, the whole parking lot and everything for the hour and a half that I was there functioned safely and efficiently. The one thing I did notice was that some of the traffic coming in from hose Lane West, there are two ways to get into and out of the facility. One is the right in, right out on hose lane and then there's a full access to Hose Lane West, which is at the west end of the site.
Speaker 9I did notice that some of the parents or the guardians coming in from hose lane west were going a little too fast. I wouldn't characterize it as speeding, but probably going a little bit too fast for a parking lot that that had some parents and kids, you know, looking for their cars waiting to, to get into the car and leave the facility. They do have speed bumps. They're kind of the portable kind of speed bumps. They, they are scattered throughout the site, particularly over on the hose lane west entrance and exit. And what I've recommended to my client and what they've agreed to do is to remove the speed bumps because they're quite abrupt and quite jarring. And I think that, you know, there's a difference between a speed bump and a speed hump. The speed bumps are quite jarring. They can cause a person to, you know, perhaps lose control of the car if they're going too fast.
Speaker 9I've recommended that they remove the existing speed bumps and replace them with speed humps, which are a little bit more gradual in terms of a vehicle ramping up and going over the speed hump and coming down. They're not quite as jarring and a a little bit more comfortable for motorists to navigate. So I've recommended that they replace all of the speed bumps with speed humps. And I've also recommended that on the, on the four aisles that are all one-way aisles that access the angled parking in the parking lot, that additional speed humps be placed. And I would recommend they be placed at the midpoints of those four, the four aisles that serve the parking lot. If, if those four additional speed humps were placed right at the midpoint of those four aisles, I think it would contribute to the safety of the situation and I'm confident that it would work out fine even with the additional students.
Speaker 7Thank you. So Mr. Ray, so it's your opinion that, that the influx of additional students can be accommodated with any, without any substantial detriment to the functioning of the site?
Speaker 9I do believe that. And again, we need to remember that it's only for a short period of time, I believe 12 to 14 weeks before 3 99 hose lane is fitted out. And I think that when all is said and done and the, the other students are over at 3 99 hose lane, the additional speed humps I recommended will, you know, be a benefit to this facility as well too.
Speaker 7Thank you. I have no further direct questions of Mr. Ray,
Speaker 1John Chadwick, anything?
Speaker 5I have no
Speaker 1Questions. Okay. Anyone else on the board have any questions or comments? Hearing none. Mr. Arch, I believe you put on your two experts. I'm gonna open it to the public at this point. Certainly anyone in the public have any questions or comments about this application this evening? Ms.
Speaker 5Buckley? No. One chairman.
Speaker 1Okay. Close the public portion and I'd make a motion to approve this application. I'll second. I'll second. Okay. Please call the roll.
Speaker 5Mr. Weisman? Yes. Mr. Tillery? Yes. Mr. Patel? Yes. Mr. Regio,
Speaker 1Give us a thumbs up. Roy. Yes. There he goes.
Speaker 5Mr. Mr. Blo? Yes. Mr. Heka?
Speaker 1Yes.
Speaker 5Mr. Ali had to recuse himself. So MI Chairman Cahill? Yes.
Speaker 0And I did prepare a resolution at the request of the applicant. It contains all of the information in Mr. Ray and Mr. Malik's testimony because Mr. Arch was kind enough to provide that to me today. So we, we will memorialize that this evening.
Speaker 7Thank you so much. Thank you Jim.
Speaker 5Thank you.
Speaker 9Thank you. Have
Speaker 7A wonderful night everybody. Thank you.
Adoption of Resolutions from October 10, 2024 Regular Meeting 24-ZB-51V AI  00:25:47 – 00:27:27
Five resolutions from October 10, 2024 were formally adopted by roll call: Karl Lockin and Paca, Glin Sue, Deandre Hamilton, Wafi Es (all unanimously), and Ann Nor Academy temporary use permit (approved 6-0 with one recusal).
Speaker 1Okay, let's move on to item number 14. Adoption of resolutions from the regular meeting. October 10th, 2024.
Speaker 0First resolution, Karl Lockin and Paca, which you voted to approve. Mr. Weisman? Yes. Mr. Tillery? Yes. Mr. O'Reggio? Yes. Mr. Blount? Yes. Mr. Haka? Yes. Chairman Cahill? Yes. Second resolution? Glin Sue, which you voted to approve. Mr. Weisman? Yes. Mr. Tillery? Yes. Mr. O'Reggio? Yes. Mr. Blount? Yes. Mr. Haa? Yes. Chairman Cahill? Yes. Deandre Hamilton, which you voted to approve. Mr. Weisman? Yes. Mr. Tillery? Yes. Mr. O'Reggio? Yes. Mr. Blount? Yes. Mr. Duka? Yes. Chairman Cahill? Yes. Wafi Es Which you, you voted to approve Mr. Weisman? Yes. Mr. Tillery? Yes. Mr. O'Reggio? Yes. Mr. Blount?
Speaker 1Yes.
Speaker 0Mr. Duka? Yes. Chairman Cahill? Yes. Last is on Nor Academy. This is a resolution granting a temporary use permit for a period of six months with deletions as agreed to by the applicant. Mr.
Speaker 1Yes.
Speaker 0Mr. Tillery? Yes. Mr. Patel. Mr. Regio? Yes. Mr.
Speaker 1Yes.
Speaker 0Mr. Duka? Yes. Chairman Cahill? Yes. That's all that I have this evening.
Minutes Adoption and Adjournment AI  00:27:27 – 00:27:27
October 10, 2024 meeting minutes approved. Board adjourned after Chairman thanked members for their service and announced transition to one meeting per month in November-December.
Speaker 1Thank you. Item number 15, adoption of minutes from the regular meeting of October 10th, 2024. All in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Okay. Item number 16, adjourn. All in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Okay guys, once again thank you for all your help and your volunteering. Have a happy Thanksgiving everyone. We'll see you Halloween. Okay? Fair enough. In November, December, we're down to one meeting a month. Okay. Have a happy Halloween. Nice everyone. Goodnight everyone.