Transcript for Piscataway Planning meeting on July 8 2020


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Speaker 0     00:00:10    Yes.    
Speaker 1     00:01:46    Pledge allegiance to the flag Madden states of America to the Republic, for which it stands one nation under God, indivisible with Liberty and justice for all.  
Speaker 1     00:11:14    Is it the mayors echoing?  
Speaker 2     00:16:18    I think it's funny. This is ignorance. Patient Marius. This kids it's her. It's her. It's her calling.  
Speaker 1     00:16:24    That's why I was like, I don't know. It was her fault. Poor. Laura was having all this trouble, like even logging on Joe Herrera happened to be in the areas, let his brothers and Stefan's he comes over and he that's why he says it was like he had a login for the easiest night. Like, yeah, it's crazy.  
Speaker 1     00:18:29    And that, I'm sorry, Don Corrigan. I just want to say, I just want to, I'm sorry for China, but yes, that is correct. We did receive a request from menu engineering, asking for administrative approval to relocate that, that existing parking. So yes, there is no conflict anymore. So item number two, no longer applied.  
Speaker 1     00:19:12    Got it. The old approval, the 2018 approval has been amended. So as not to conflict with this newest application, so we are able to handle it administratively. Sure thing.  
Speaker 0     00:19:28        Laura you're muted.     
Speaker 3     00:25:12    AWS frequency. The new market site was approved in 2005 on a 138 foot power tower near the intersection of Williams street and Michael street, the new market site location that Verizon wireless needs until they want to upgrade the site with newer antennas and technology vises landlord would not allow additional equipment to be placed on the tower due to structural loading issues. This restricted Verizon wireless for use of the latest technology to approve coverage and capacity for 4g and next generation technologies within Piscataway Township, brides and wireless needs to relocate to a new facility to be able to use these technologies. If I probably site is a smokestack at 600 prospect street, it is only 1900 feet to the north east of the existing new market site.  
Speaker 3     00:26:13    Smokes back is an existing telecommunication structure. Verizon wireless will be the second wireless carrier on this facility. So as wireless will not be increasing the height, the structure, and is located within a M one zone, which is a priority location under the townships ordinance, the antennas will be validated at, at the top of the attendance. We've added at 109 feet above ground level, which is the lowest possible height to cover the service of the area. The proposed site will serve substantially the same area as the existing new market site. So item wireless will be able to use the latest technologies to support coverage and capacity for 4g and next generation technology deacon studied the radio frequency propagation for the proposed site and the surrounding Verizon wireless sites. We prepare the report title, our analysis and report dated October 28th, 2019. This report included three art exhibits, but at this time I'd like to share them and we need to mark out Mr. Webster or those exhibits, which pages are they in your report of October 28th, 2019. They are on page eight, nine and 10.  
Speaker 3     00:27:48    Now they, I guess they did. We submit them in color. I'm just asking. Cause I have it in black and white, so black and white. It's not going to show it. I just stands NGO. If you ain't have not been Mr. Webster, if they're exactly what was submitted as part of the plan, then I'm looking at the colorized ones. Yeah. And they don't need to be marked if you haven't changed at all. No, they have not changed. Okay. Just let us know what you want and what page you're referencing as you testify. Okay. The first art exhibit is on page eight, titled Verizon wireless coverage with the new market site.  
Speaker 3     00:28:28    This is a radio frequency propagation plot showing the wireless service areas for the existing on ever eyes and wireless sites, including the existing new market site. So just to, just to clarify my, just to keep it clear for everyone. So this map shows the site that is currently already approved up and running and going there. We're going to move to the proposed site. Yes. This is the coverage as it exists today. Okay. Included on the, this coverage plot are also the surrounding sites, which include green book, a monopole at 1200 now Boulevard in Middlesex Greenville, three, a rooftop site at one-on-one Greenbook road. And Danella green book SNM, a rooftop site at 2 63, route 22 east in Greenville, Piscataway one, a water tank site at 1713 south second street in Piscataway it's Gallaway for a monopole and 300 south Randolphville road. Piscataway has got away. Seven a monopole at 1 71 back on Linde avenue. And Piscataway has got to wait eight and lattice tower at 180 12th street in Piscataway the Skyway south Washington avenue, a monopole at 1 35, plenty constraints. Piscataway just got away circle FNN, but we've stopped site to 2 51 circle drive north and Piscataway scattered away, less dark FNN and rooftop sites at three smally avenue, Middlesex and Middlesex, a monopole on wood avenue. I want to read a list of all the .  
Speaker 3     00:30:26    This includes service on street in vehicle and in buildings providing voice broadband data service, 9,100 DVM RSRP on street or long side living areas. It provides 10 DB buffer for in-building coverage as neg one can DDM RSRP is a design goal for reliable service in 4g networks and maybe one 15 EDM RSIP. The bit error rate starts to climb, breaking down voice calls and data session. The second art exhibit is on page nine of the report, title dries and wireless existing site coverage without new market site. So just to clarify, Mike, again, this one shows on page nine, what the coverage would look like without the up and running site and without the correct. So this would just be the surrounding sites with no new market or new markets being those sites.  
Speaker 3     00:31:32    The green area still represents reliable service and coverage for variety of wireless customers. Without the new market site, there would be a gap in coverage, approximately 1.4 miles north to south, and 1.1 miles east to west. This gap in service includes south avenue, William street, Grandview avenue, north Randolphville road, state, route 28, Middlesex township and other smaller streets in between the third art exhibit is on page 10, titled Verizon wireless coverage with you market remote site. This site is the same as the previous exhibit with the addition of the proposed site at 600 prospect avenue, the site provide similar coverage to the existing tower on Liam street. The coverage fills in the gap along Dwayne street, north Randolphville road, Grandville avenue, south avenue, state, route 28 in Middlesex and other smaller streets. The proposed site provides the needed RF frequency coverage for the Verizon wireless network.  
Speaker 3     00:32:58    Do we want to do questions on this report first or move on to the next one? Only you haven't testified to everything in his area of expertise and unless Mr.  had something. No, not for this one. Okay. All right. Mr. Mr. Webster, what was the second report that you prepared title? The second report was title our commission site. It was dated May 26th, 2020, and submitted to the board report show permission of all existing and proposed the tenants at the proposed site as a hundred prospect avenue. This includes nine TiVo, one tenant covering 600 megahertz, 700 megahertz, 1900 megahertz PCs and 2100 megahertz PWS, and also includes the variety of wireless proposed antennas, which included 11 tenants covering 700 megahertz, 850 megahertz, 1900 megahertz and GPS 2100 megahertz. AWS. We use FTP established methods and procedures to compute the total RF emissions from all the existing and proposed in Canada on site, the total arm permissions of the proposed site will reach the maximum levels of 3.8% of the STC limit for general public exposure is approximately 30 times lower than the FTC limit for general public exposure. Therefore the site complies with FCC rules and regulations. So just to recap, you know, you're allowed to be at the a hundred percent, but we're at 30 or three, right? 3.8%, 3.5 is off to 130% lower than what we're allowed 30 times, 30 times. Sorry, I'm not sweating the attorney. I don't do.  
Speaker 3     00:35:11    As far as Mr. Godley's Leonard, I believe the only section that was really for you was number seven a and we've you covered it in your initial test, covered it in your initial testimony about the overall comprehensive plan of Verizon wireless network. Yes. That was all of the surrounding sites. Why we had to move off of the existing tower and why we needed to do okay. Just to summarize for the record, this means all of Verizon's requirements in maintaining their licenses falls within all the sec guidelines. Yes, it does. I have no further questions for this witness And when I made a questioned,  
Speaker 3     00:36:19    No, no questions from the board. Any questions from the public, Laura, do you see any notices from the Butler? Did they have a question? Hi, I'm Councilwoman Cahill. Sorry. I raised my hand earlier to ask a question. That's okay. I just had a question of Mr. Webster with regard to the coverage. Again, the types of service that Verizon would be offering with these antennas. I thought I heard four G, but the, the audio was a little low. So I was just wondering if this Webster could clear that piece up currently, it would be a 4g, which is LTE and they have intentions of adding 5g once it becomes available at future. And do we, if I may, Madam chair, Mr. Webster, is there any sort of timeline that we know from Verizon as to when that might happen or not sure? I do not have it.  
Speaker 3     00:37:40    Okay. Thank you very much. Any other questions from board members hearing no response, Laura, would you check the public and see if we have any emails from them who are with a question nobody's hand is raised Madam chair. Thank you. Next week. My, my next and final witnesses Crump is our professional platter. Believe he has to be smart. Can you please raise your right hand to be able to be the truth and nothing but the truth? I do. Can you please state and spell your name for the record? Timothy M crock K R O N K. Thank you, Mr.  would you mind giving the board the benefit of your educational background, your experience and licenses you may have and the capacity which you're appearing tonight? Yeah, certainly. I have a bachelor of science from the university of Massachusetts. I have 27 years of land use experience predominantly in New Jersey. I am a New Jersey, licensed professional planner and an AICP certified planner. I have testified throughout the state and the area in the area of land use planning and been accepted throughout the state. I've also been in front of the Piscataway Township zoning board on numerous occasions. I have never been in front of the planning board before your expertise is extensive. Thank you.  
Speaker 3     00:39:28    Mr. talk to me at the opportunity to review the applicant's application in this matter tonight, if I have and what were your findings on it? But after your okay, the subject property it's 600 prospect avenue also known as block 1 0 1 6, lot two a is located in the  industrial zone. The proposed by Verizon wireless is for a 11 antenna installation on the existing smoke stack at the subject property, which is 11.7 acres. In addition to the 11 and 10 is as a scribe. If there is also 16 remote radio heads proposed to be behind the antennas, but those radio heads will not impact the maximum height of 108 feet that is proposed by the application. The existing most stack is 120 feet, five inches, and located above the proposed Verizon installation is an existing T-Mobile installation. So this proposal, it will be located below the existing T-Mobile and it will not exceed the height of the existing smokestack in any way as the base of the smokestack Verizon wireless proposing a compound area that is 22 feet by two feet inside of that compound area, or that compound area is enclosed in AA, inside the eight foot chain link fence, which is being modified per the board comments to have black hosts and black power coated, a chain link.  
Speaker 3     00:41:15    There is a equipment platform inside that compound area. That equipment platform is 16 feet by 11 feet, seven inches. And on the elevated platform will be the Verizon wireless radio equipment cabinets. There is a partial canopy over that platform area. And the maximum height on that canopy would be 12 feet, three inches.  
Speaker 3     00:41:43    As I mentioned, the subject property is located in the  zone in the Piscataway Township wireless telecommunications ordinance. This location on existing structure in the M one zone is a number one priority location and preferred by the ordinance. This application does not trigger any, any variances. There are some existing nonconformities on this subject property, which are not exacerbated by this application at all, and being a first priority location. I certainly do believe that this is the intention of the municipality to be on this location. In addition to the fact that it is a, a co-location, which is certainly preferred by your ordinance and from a land use planning perspective. So since we don't have any, any variances as part of this application, I do have some photo simulations that were prepared of the proposed installation. Those photos simulations have not, I, I believe they were not submitted to the municipality.  
Speaker 3     00:42:57    So it's just a matter if the boy would be interested in seeing those or, or not, you can utilize them if we can just make reference to them in the transcript as , if there's a second 1, 8, 2 and four, and then Mr. , if you could provide them to Ms. Buckley so they could become part of a bond. Yes. So if I don't have them already on them, send them to me and I'll provide them as possible. Okay, thank you. Okay. Then I will, I will, I will share my screen. There is it's for four pairs of photos for existing and the corresponding photo simulation for each existing  
Speaker 3     00:43:54    Okay. From a photo exhibit a is an existing conditions photo. This is a view from a where a prospect crosses over the railroad tracks. And then looking back towards the smoke stack, the existing smokestack, this location at 1,685 feet away. And as you can see in the top of the smoke stack and the hand T-Mobile is located at the top of the smoke stack. And then if we go to the corresponding photos, simulation simulation shows the Verizon 11 proposed antennas installed via computer simulation at the location size and mounting of ordinances as depicted on the engineering drawings and the simulation. Tim is a two yes. That they do, or one a what happened now there's there's four pairs. So it's one, the existing condition photo would be your one a and then the simulation would be your one B I think is a kind of a way to reference it.  
Speaker 3     00:45:06    Okay. And then the, if I moved to the next exhibit, a, this is another existing. So this would be like, it's, this would be to a photo. This is a view from 17 Harper street with the existing conditions photograph. And once again, at the top of the smokes, you can see the portion of the T mobile antennas that are visible from this location. This location is 344 feet away from the, from the existing smoke stack. And then if we move to the next photo, the simulation here to be is where the proposed at tenders by Verizon wireless are inserted on the existing smokestack of the location below the T-Mobile installation.  
Speaker 3     00:46:00    Next pair would be a three, three, a, this is existing conditions photo from 52  street. This is a location that's 754 feet away. And once again, top of the smokestack where the existing T-Mobile antennas are. And if I moved to the computer simulation, you'll see that the Verizon antennas are inserted with a maximum height of 109 feet as per the details and a location depicted on the engineering drawings and the last Paris simulations. This is a view from 3 44 Williams street for a right. Yes, for a, for the pair existing conditions, photo a and once again, the, on the existing conditions photo from this location, you get a partial view of the smokestack with the Q mobile antennas located on top. And then we move to the last one, the B, which is the photo simulation, a portion of the Verizon antennas would be visible from this location as depicted on the photos simulation.  
Speaker 3     00:47:28    Okay. So, so that's basically it we're seeking preliminary final site plan for this installation with no variances required. I have no further questions for Mr. Krog. I missed anything. I was just looking at the CME associates letter to see if there's anything we didn't cover. No, this is Steve . That presentation basically covered the visual compatibility requirements aspect of the ordinance requirements. So that worked out good. Okay. Okay. Any other questions from the board members? And it was sheriff Councilwoman Cahill, as opposed to thank you. I'm not sure. I apologize, Mr. Cross, this is not your expertise, but I just happened to be thinking about this with regard to the coverage of the 4g LTE, is that in tenant support our first responders network, I think that Verizon offers, or would it in the future I'll have to defer to Mr. Webster. He was the radio frequency engineer. That would be, I apologize, Madam chair. Is that okay? No, that's fine. Thank you. It's a clarity go right ahead. And do, could you respond to that question? Yes.  
Speaker 3     00:49:27    To my knowledge, or, but not that, as I said, if is too public outside of just by going to China to, to FirstNet outside of that, I am not so sure that I got all of that, but except to say that, let me just repeat it, Mr. Western, you can let me know if I have this correct. That currently your then Verizon does not offer something like an, a FirstNet, like for emergency responders. Is that, did I get that right? So they do not. Okay. Thank you so much. If the, if a service is sold to public, those businesses, just like any other customer give up Dawn.  
Speaker 1     00:50:47    Yes. Oh my on there,  
Speaker 3     00:50:50    The question with regards to Mr. Hinterstein report, number one, references the affordable housing obligation. I spoke to Mr. Clark, and he indicated that the site plan for variety in this application would not require saying, do you agree with that?  
Speaker 1     00:51:11    That is absolutely incorrect. That's just one of those standard lines we have in every single stamp. Oh, I'm sorry. Hold on. I'm sorry, Mr. Barlow, can you hear me guys? I can't unmute. You hear me now. Okay. Wonderful. No, Mr. Barlow, you're absolutely correct. That's one of those lines we include in every single staff report, there will be no affordable housing obligation as part of this application.  
Speaker 3     00:51:38    I didn't want to leave anything  
Speaker 1     00:51:39    Hanging. No, no, absolutely. Thank you.  
Speaker 3     00:51:47    Yeah. I was going to address that after the public comment. Also, as far as other approvals, we do have a letter from Middlesex county that they are not interested in attending the, the, the interpretation letter that we are currently. Meaning have you submitted that letter to the Burroughs professionals? I believe we'd add with the COVID. I can read them now. It'll be digital. I'm just checking my, I believe that's it. The only other thing I see listed on PME letter was whether or not we complied with FAA requirements. I don't think we tried to towards that being that we're not going on top of the existing smokestack, I would think it complies, but maybe one of the professionals could just speak to that. Mr. Gottlieb, Doug whose conference? I think that maybe one, maybe one of their consultants, their engineer could have  
Speaker 1     00:53:21    Great. You neither engineer.  
Speaker 3     00:53:28    Excuse me. Yeah. Here she is. Michelle, did you hear the question about the FFA? Do we comply with the FAA requirements as far as I guess lighting? Yes, we do. Okay. Thank you. You have a salary for businesses, just that as shelter testimony, that relocation fits the need for variety and wireless as the existing site can no longer be upgraded, which would not allow us to provide a reliable service that we're required to do with our licenses. So therefore, the existing site as Mr. Webster's testimony, he explained needs to be re located to this new site. It's a high priority site. It's already existing smokes back with another carrier on it. We were going under that carrier where no way the fence in compound or the site itself, there's a minimal soil disturbance. As far as the contaminated area. I believe we comply with any requirements that we have to, based on the Ford's fine, based on the porch professionals.  
Speaker 3     00:54:59    Thank you. Yeah, exactly. Just one, three of the report not mentioned. And I recall, I just want to be, we farting, the ordinance restoration provisions are required here too. There was also something that I noticed regarding reporting on structural stability. The ordinance requires that report be submitted every several years. Something that you should be aware of. Yes, I did review the, the restoration provision of the code that if the, you know, the site was become out of use or a repair needs to be taken down, I believe for, as in wireless, as they are, most of their site is aware of that as well as they will comply with any structural reporting that is required. Thank you. Okay. If it's no more additional comments from the board, or I will hear a motion probably open to the public, now that the application and complete of we can do that. Ms. Lara, did you see any response from the public? No, ma'am. Thank you. And I hear a motion from the board chair, this the Councilwoman Cahill I'll make the notion that before accept and approve the application of 25,  
Speaker 4     00:57:00     let me turn my recorder off. Hold on. Turn my recorder off.