Transcript for Piscataway Planning meeting on October 14 2020
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Speaker 0 00:00:00 Okay, Speaker 1 00:00:03 Tom, hold the flag up. Speaker 0 00:00:06 The Piscatawayplease come to order. Adequate notice of this meeting was provided in the following ways. Notice published in the courier news notice posted on the bulletin boards of a municipal building notice made available to the township clerk. Notice that to the courier news and the star ledger. Will the clerk please call the road. Mayor. Wahler Speaker 1 00:00:33 Easier. Councilwoman Cahill here. Ms. Corkery. Yeah. Ms. Saunders here, Reverend Kenny, Mr. Espinosa, Mr. Foster, Madam chair Speaker 0 00:00:54 Here. Tom, would you read the open public meeting notice please? Speaker 2 00:01:02 We're holding this meeting virtually pursuant to the directive from the department of community affairs in light of the COVID pandemic, the appropriate notices were sent out with the password and login information for the zoom meeting. I believe we have complied in all regards with the DCA guidelines and I'm comfortable with the meeting going forward on zoom, Madam terrible. Speaker 0 00:01:32 Thank you. Can we all recite the pledge of allegiance? I pledge allegiance to the flag. Laura. Speaker 1 00:02:03 Yes, Speaker 0 00:02:05 This is Sue. Keep going, but something's going on with my audio right now, but I'll let you know. I'm okay. So far I Speaker 1 00:02:12 Think. Okay. Thank you. Speaker 0 00:02:15 And we get the professionals this morning. Okay. Speaker 3 00:02:18 All right. This is Carol Saunders. I like to swear in the professionals, please raise your right hand. Do you swear that the testimony about to give will be the truth and nothing but the truth? Speaker 0 00:02:29 Yes, I do. Speaker 3 00:02:31 Thank you. Speaker 0 00:02:34 Adoption of the resolution to memorialize action taken on September the ninth, 2020 Speaker 3 00:02:42 Madam chairman. I like to memorialize applications for preliminary and vital site plan. Speaker 0 00:02:52 Well, I have a second Rope. All Speaker 1 00:02:59 Mayor Wahler Councilwoman Cahill. Yes. Ms. Corporan. Yeah. Ms. Saunders, Mr. Espinosa. Yes. And Madam chair. Speaker 0 00:03:15 Yes. Speaker 3 00:03:18 Madam chairman. I like to memorialize application 20 PB zero four Piscataway Centennial developers, LLC, for preliminary and final site plan. Speaker 0 00:03:28 And I get a second. Speaker 4 00:03:35 Sorry, Speaker 1 00:03:37 Mayor Wahler. Yeah. Councilwoman Cahill. Yes. Ms. Corcoran. Ms. Saunders. Yes. Mr. Espinosa. Yes. And Madam chair. Speaker 0 00:03:52 Yes. Item number seven. Adoption of the minutes from the regular meeting of September the ninth 29. Speaker 3 00:03:59 Madam chairman. I liked to moralize the minutes from the regular meeting of September 9th, 2020. Speaker 0 00:04:05 There are a second. Second Gabrielle. Thank you, Rob Speaker 1 00:04:13 Marijuana, Reverend here. Councilwoman Cahill. Okay. Yes. Ms. Corkery. Yeah. Ms. Saunders? Yeah. Reverend Kenney. Mr. Espinosa. Yes. And Madam chair. Speaker 0 00:04:35 Yes. So I plan item number eight, 19 TB. Speaker 4 00:04:42 If we go lower, I need permission to record. Speaker 0 00:04:47 Oh, Speaker 1 00:04:51 How do you do that, Speaker 0 00:04:54 Tom? Do you have any advice on, do you need to listen to record? Speaker 4 00:05:00 I'm speaking. This is the court reporter. Speaker 0 00:05:04 Susan Reese. Speaker 4 00:05:06 Okay. Cause I have my audio. It's not picking it up. Okay. Laura already has recorded. Speaker 1 00:05:16 Yeah. On two, on the computer and on my other machine. So I could send you a disc or a recording Speaker 4 00:05:23 Because Speaker 1 00:05:25 There's nowhere to share recording on here. So I'm sorry. Speaker 4 00:05:28 Okay. I'm good. Thanks. Are you having a problem with your audio Madam court reporter? Yes and no. I can hear you. It's just a little on the quiet side and when I put it on audio, it'll go through my earphones so I can hear it loud on my radar and it's not, and I did two depositions today, so I know it's definitely on your end, but that's okay. I can hear it. And that's good enough. Okay. And Ms. Barkley, we'll more than Speaker 2 00:05:57 Happy to give you a copy of the recording and we'll try and speak up and hopefully that will be concerns. Thank you. Speaker 0 00:06:10 Okay. We're going to proceed with the next item, which is item number eight, 19 PB 34 preliminary and final site plan, bulk variance with the please enter your parents' place. You presented. Speaker 5 00:06:24 Thank you. Madam chair, members of the board. Good evening. My name is . I'm an attorney at law, licensed practice in the state of New Jersey. And I represent the applicant before the board. This evening, the members of the board may be somewhat familiar with this, this site. It is near Romanos on Langfield avenue. So if you get off of river road and you're driving on playing field away from river road, it's on your left-hand side. It is an existing parking lot. And single story structure comprised of approximately 1,775 square feet. It is being used as what's been characterized as medical office use. And what we're proposing on doing is adding a second floor, which will also be 1,775 feet. So essentially we'll be doubling the size. There are a number of variances that already exist, including a parking variance that we had required, nor order they have the existing structure with the increase it's being proposed here. Speaker 5 00:07:27 Obviously that's a variance that will be intensified. The other variance is, are all dimensional variances of setback type variances that are existing conditions won't be affected or intensified in any way. I have three weakness that I'd like to present this evening. I'd like to have a representative for the owner of the property and the operator of the property. Mr. Harshaw Patel, who's on the line. He'll be our first witness. I'll ask him to unmute. We also have two additional witnesses. We have herb lateral wall. Who's going to be our engineer and provides me engineering testimony. And finally, we've got Steve DRUGA and I'm probably going to call Steve first because I'd like to give the board members of a feel for what's inside of the facility or what's being proposed since that's what all staff reports are focusing on. I'll call him snacking and finally herbal provide any hearing testimony. Just so we're clear if I can, as a housekeeping matter inquire from your board attorney, Mr. Mr. Barlow, if jurisdiction lies with the board of the notices are proper. Didn't notice for the last meeting, we asked that it be announced every for this. Speaker 2 00:08:40 And we did do that. I think Mr. Smith was present on behalf of the applicant at the last hearing and it was carried and the board does have jurisdiction. Speaker 5 00:08:49 Thank you. One additional housekeeping matter. We have a number of reports that were generated as result of this. Apathy. Just want to verify the board members, not only have those, but that I have all of the reports. We have a fire commissioner, fire marshals. It should be a checkoff. I don't see on my copy of this, which is dated October. The first of 2019, it's been signed by a fire Marshall gore. It doesn't indicate however, whether it's been approved or denied, generally, it's either approved without a comment or it's denied. And usually there's a comment that's associated with it. I believe that's something that we need to clarify with fire Marshall. Speaker 2 00:09:29 If, if I, man, the copy I have is dated October 28th, 2019. And it indicates no comment. Speaker 5 00:09:40 Well, I brought that up then I don't have a copy of that. I, I, I guess I have the proceeding in one that did not have anything marked as approved that denied. Speaker 2 00:09:48 Okay. We can obviously get you a copy of that, but it is dated October 28th, 2019 by the fire commissioner than it indicates no comments. Speaker 5 00:10:00 Thank you. The next report that we have is actually from the traffic commission, which indicates that they have reviewed the application to deem that there will be no traffic impact. And that stated, I believe December the sixth, 16th, 2019 from a meeting on November the sixth, 2019, we have the CME associates report dated November the eighth, 2019. And finally we have an updated staff report revised October 9th, 2020 from Mr. Hinterstein original date is November 25th, 2019. If those are the staff reports, I'm ready to proceed. Madam chair. Speaker 2 00:10:37 And finally there's a CME report of October 3rd, 2020. Do you have that? It was emailed Monday. I Speaker 5 00:10:49 Do not have that, but I think what we'll do is with your permission, this Madam chair, if there are any additional questions perhaps that needs to be to have, but I'll, I'm prepared to address the November 8th, 2019. And perhaps I can impose them upon Mr. Godly, just to make sure that there are no additional comments that you'd like us to address. We have our witnesses here that can address those. Speaker 2 00:11:12 There was also a everything. Yes that's, that's fine. And just finally, there's a, sign-off from the director of public works Arvin from 10 29 19. Again, indicating no comments, Speaker 5 00:11:33 Madam chair with your permission. If I may call our first witness, Mr. Harsher Patel, Speaker 2 00:11:38 You may answer and they'll having sworn in Speaker 3 00:11:47 Mr. Patel, please raise your right hand, please. Well, to where the testimony about the gave me the truth and nothing but the truth Speaker 6 00:11:56 I do. Speaker 3 00:11:57 Can you please state and spell your name for the record? Sorry. Speaker 6 00:12:02 Herschel could sell a first name is H a R S H a L, last name P a T E L. Thank Speaker 3 00:12:12 You. Speaker 5 00:12:15 Thank you, Mr. Patel. You're familiar with this site and with this application. I do not. Speaker 6 00:12:21 Yes I am. Speaker 5 00:12:22 And I've had an opportunity to speak with you and your father and you only owns this property, is that correct? Yes. Correct. And that's under the, the entity that's been formed, which is the applicant, your 17 Plainfield avenue, LLC. Brag brown though. Are you familiar with the current tenants and how this operates currently? Yes, I am. And are you also familiar with the proposed before this board in terms of the expansion and what we propose on doing in the new expanded areas? Speaker 6 00:12:54 A bit Speaker 5 00:12:55 First, if you would walk us through what's at the site right now, who rents it or leases it or owns it and what goes on there currently. Speaker 6 00:13:05 Okay. So currently it's being rented by a health foundation. It's called server the health foundation. It's a nonprofit organization. Currently there is one medical practitioner who is there, which is focusing in on physical therapy. And he currently occupies the building Monday through Saturday. And there are no other occupants. He has full rental liability for the building. Speaker 5 00:13:36 So you heard the description that I provided earlier, which is the one story structure that's there is approximately 1,775 square feet. There is a parking lot it's immediately adjacent to the only entrance into the property. That correct? Speaker 6 00:13:51 That is correct. Speaker 5 00:13:52 Okay. So why don't you walk the board members virtually through that property? Once you go inside of the property, what would they see and then take them counter-clockwise if you would on that first ground floor and how it's being utilized current. Speaker 6 00:14:07 Absolutely. So if you walk in the entrance, you're greeted into what is the existing reception area that is where all the patients come in and they are, that's our waiting room. Currently, if you move to the top, it says existing office that is currently the doctor's office. He currently has his computer and his professional needs all stored in that office. Speaker 5 00:14:33 Yes. Let me stop you for a second. That's not for patient visits or patient examinations, correct? No, that is not. It's just for the doctor and him or her to actually have a place to go a desk to make phone calls and so forth. Correct? Correct. Correct. Okay, go ahead. Speaker 6 00:14:53 And then we have three exam rooms which are aligned up. They are currently being used as storage. There is no activity in those three exam rooms. Those exam rooms are to be used by the three new medical professionals that we're going to be involving in the team. The, Speaker 5 00:15:18 Yes, we'll go ahead and walk up Speaker 6 00:15:20 There. And then the next, where it says existing hallway, that is currently being used to store all the medical supplies, whether it's gauze, band-aids antiseptics, all of those medical needs that the doctor needs are held in that area. And then there's two existing restrooms. And then the two exam rooms that are next to each other, those exam rooms are currently being used by the physical therapist. Those are practicing rooms. And then you go to what is labeled as a existing waiting area. That is the inpatient first room where a lot of pressure vitals and things of that nature would be conduct. Speaker 5 00:16:07 Okay. Now you said that this is for physical therapy, correct? Correct. How many physical therapists currently work there at any given time? Speaker 6 00:16:17 Just the one, Speaker 5 00:16:19 The hours for that physical Speaker 6 00:16:21 Therapist currently six to five, Speaker 5 00:16:24 You said it's a nonprofit organization. So it's Monday through Saturday, one physical therapist, six 30 in the morning, but no later than five, correct? Correct. What I'm proposing on changing those hours is board work to improve the applications before them currently? Is that correct? Speaker 6 00:16:42 That is correct. Speaker 5 00:16:44 We're not proposing on adding any new physicians working for physical therapy at bedtime. Is that correct? That is correct. Okay. So what's being proposed is a second story. That's going to be added, Speaker 6 00:16:57 Correct? That Speaker 5 00:16:58 Is correct. And that's not going to be essentially a mirror image of that first floor. Can you walk us through the second floor? Speaker 6 00:17:04 Okay. So when you come up to the second floor, I'll begin where it says the new closet on the right side of the plan. There's just going to be a utility closet, moving to the next room, which is the new file room that is going to be a universal filing room for the doctors to store any patient files that they may be needed, which will be under lock and key. And then moving forward, there's three new opposites, which are in the proposed second floor plan. Those are going to be used for the additional practitioners that we're going to be taking on on the team. We feel that it is appropriate for them to also have their private areas for their professional needs. Then there's two closets, again, just normal classes, spaces for each office. And then we moved to a bathroom. And then finally we have a new meeting room which is going to be utilized for all the doctors to meet also for any housekeeping needs. Speaker 5 00:18:08 Okay. Now we're going to have three doctors, private offices, correct? Speaker 6 00:18:13 That is correct. Speaker 5 00:18:15 Okay. Will there ever be three doctors there at one time? No. It's. Are you prepared to accept as a condition if this board were to approve the application that we would have no more than one medical practitioner, their position at a time, Speaker 6 00:18:31 That is correct. Speaker 5 00:18:33 Are you also prepared to accept as a condition of any approval of this board may grant that we would have no office hours after 5:00 PM? Speaker 6 00:18:40 That is correct. Okay. Speaker 5 00:18:43 There's also a bathroom on the second floor were chosen as a full bath. And the concern that the board may have is expressed in the staff report. And Mr. H interesting put together was that this may be converted at some point to a living facility. Would you agree to a condition that there'd be no residential use of this property? If the board wanted to remove that bathtub, are you okay with the bath or shower being removed? Yes. I don't have any other questions for the witness at this time if the board members have any questions. Speaker 7 00:19:21 Okay. Does anyone on the board have a meeting of this? Have any questions of this witness? Madam chair. It's Councilwoman Cahill. How are you? I'm good. How are you? Very good. Thank you very much for the time. And thank you Mr. Patel, but a quick question for you, the additional practitioners are they also doctor said physical therapy, similar to the existing practitioner there on site now? Speaker 6 00:19:54 No, they are not, they all have their own specific specialties. Speaker 7 00:20:00 So they would, they would all, then each one take turns using on the first floor, the examining rooms, nothing on the second floor. No, Speaker 6 00:20:12 That is correct. They will each have an individual with dedicated exam room only to be used when they are using the facility. Speaker 7 00:20:24 And do you know what kind of doctors do you're looking to track or you're not sure yet. Speaker 6 00:20:31 Yes, we do have three specialties. We have confirmed one is going to be internal medicine, enough trauma trust and a phlebotomist as well. Speaker 5 00:20:48 Correct. Speaker 7 00:20:54 And I would, I would guess that these doctors coming in would have to be looking very carefully at this is to make sure that each their individual practice, they have everything they need. I mean, it would seem to me probably they equipment's going to have to be added, especially for optometry, et cetera. That Speaker 5 00:21:14 Is correct. Speaker 7 00:21:17 Okay. Oh, I forgot. I had one other question, but I will pass to someone else if I think of that, I'll come back on. Okay. Does anyone else on the board have any questions of this witness? Speaker 8 00:21:30 Madden chair, Dawn Corcoran. If at night, Mr. Ava, I know that you, your client testified that if this were approved, there are deep, you know, conditions within the resolution stating that three doctors, only one doctor at any time, no office hours after 5:00 PM and no residential use. In addition to a condition in the resolution, would your client also be agreeable to 18 restrictions? Again, just reiterating those three points. Speaker 5 00:22:06 I have not had an opportunity to discuss that with my client. And so the board members are aware of, maybe I should get Mr. Patel to, to expand on this a little bit, because I think that Councilwoman Cahill hit upon an important point. I don't want to mislead the board. These are volunteers. These are doctors that are coming in with their private practices, looking to expand their practices. Is it? Speaker 6 00:22:30 No, this is not, this is completely voluntary again. Non-profit they are coming at their own will. Speaker 5 00:22:38 Okay. So when you're talking about limiting it to one physician at a time, be wonderful for get out three there at a time, but these are all volunteers and you're trying to space them out so that they see patients as the need may arise in the community. Is that correct? That is correct. That not to sidestep the, the question that Ms Corcoran-Gardella had been brought up, but the deed restriction would limit the property legally from being used for any other purpose. Other than this commercial use is essentially saying, look, you're not going to have a residential use here. I, I'm not sure that on the fly, I can agree to that. It'll be up my client. I haven't had an opportunity to express that or explain that to my client, but I would hope that as a condition of, of any approval they may have, this is a condition that can be enforced just as equally as though it was a deed restriction. I, I feel a little reluctant in, on fly saying, yes, we could agree to that in this virtual setting of things that could non-virtual setting. I could probably take a few minutes and explain that. Speaker 8 00:23:54 I guess I'm paying I'm thinking from the town side. I mean, how do we enforce it? How do we know that? Okay, doctor, number one, it's only working this many hours on this many days, you know, how do you regulate that? I don't know. I'm sorry. Speaker 5 00:24:14 I mean, short of walking into the examination room, even with a deed restriction, there's no one, there's no way to enforce that. Even if there wasn't, if there was a deep restriction, a way that the township could certainly see that there is more than one physician is if there's a parking issue that arises, which they haven't had so far, Speaker 8 00:24:35 Not yet, but again, there's now we're putting a whole nother second story on top of the, you know, the existing building and we're adding three new offices, you know, kitchenette, we got the bathroom. I mean, Speaker 5 00:24:50 Right. This is the non-profit entity that owns a property. I would again be reluctant to advise them without going through the buses and the minuses beyond just their own ownership of agreeing to a deed restriction. I would ask that that matter, be deferred the perhaps a developer's agreement, Speaker 9 00:25:13 Madam chair, if I may, this is a Mayor Wahler I got a big problem with this kitchenette and everything up on the second floor. This has the smell of turning it into a residential above there. We've seen too many things go on in town. If I'm going to vote in favor of this application, there's nothing upstairs. Speaker 5 00:25:36 So I want to be clear, Mr. Barry, for you indicated there would be no upstairs promoted or Speaker 9 00:25:42 No, no kitchen or anything to that effect up there. Arvin no bathrooms. Speaker 5 00:25:52 I think what we agreed to was that we've removed the tub or the shower that were there. So there still would be a bathroom upstairs. Speaker 9 00:26:00 Yeah. But here's the part of the problem, Marvin, you're now telling me this is like all volunteers are to be there. Who's to say that next thing you know, knows when people start sleeping there. I don't know. I got, I got a philosophical problem with this. I don't have a problem with them having the practice, but I got a problem with everything else on the second floor. I got to tell you, Harvey, you don't have my vote. If that goes through like that. Speaker 5 00:26:26 Understood. I missed again. Burchill Speaker 7 00:26:30 Madam chair, Councilwoman Cahill. Go ahead and call Mr. Bechtel if I could just right. Well, you're just mulling about what the mayor is suggesting there. I mean, I don't disagree. I think we had an application that went through our zoning board where it was a similar circumstance doctor's office downstairs. We had to really limit what was allowed on that second floor. I don't remember the address, but there is certainly as an example of that, but I, I do want to ask this one question. That's not really why I interrupted, but just while you're thinking about that other issue there with the, the doctors coming in to volunteer, what, when would Mr. Patel expand upon the nonprofit and, and bitch, maybe segment of society gets to tap into these volunteer doctors. Would that be a fair question? Speaker 2 00:27:40 Do you see anything wrong with it? I think it's a good clarification. And, and along those lines, one of the things I, I did want that RFI and I don't know if Mr. Patel and Mr. Anthony, there's an optometrist and internal medicine doctor phlebotomist, along with a physical therapist, that's correct. A doctor of physical therapy or just a physical therapist, doctor physical therapy. Okay. So there's, there's w you're going to have four doctors total that are going to be alternating hours and days, Monday through Saturday six. Is it six or six? 30 am to five it's. Six to five. Okay. And I was going to ask, could you just expand? What, what is the charity? Is it the health foundation? Is that the name of it? Yes. It's server the health foundation. I'm sorry, what was that? S a R a V O D a Y a thank you. Health foundation. Okay. Speaker 9 00:28:55 Madam chair, if I may jump in again, this is a Mayor. Wahler I can see it. This is going to be an enforcement issue, regulating all these doctors. I don't know why I think we're going to have to do, you're going to have to come back to, to meet with the staff on this. Otherwise did, this is going to this application if you get carried tonight, because I don't know, I, this is the first time I'm hearing about all this. I dunno, I got, I got a huge problem with this application now. I mean, now you talking four doctors come in, so the onus is going to be on the town to regulate this. I just, the fast got enough to do up there. I mean, some something's not right. Speaker 5 00:29:40 Understood. What I'll do is I'll put in our testimony for this evening and I'd asked that you differ on the, the decision or this evening we'll, we'll carry this and then meet with the staff to go over the specifics. And maybe we can tailor some, some mechanism for enforcement and in the meanwhile, also be able to have a discussion with my client about the pros and the cons of a deed restriction. I think the concept itself is, is a good idea, I think, but I want to make sure that it's not just Mr. Patel, this is a nonprofit organization. So here your board, that's also responsible for this. And I would hate to put Mr. Patel in a position, especially in this virtual setting of making a snap decision. That may not be one that the board is authorized. Mr. Pitts tell domain. Speaker 6 00:30:31 No, I agree with the Arvin Madam chair. I don't have an objection with the counselor moving forward with putting the testimony on, Speaker 2 00:30:42 Go ahead and follow. I think you have a question there, certainly while we have the, the witnesses here, we should take testimony and we can just wait. Alexa, could, could Mr. Patella or Marvin, if you had said, this is the American heart association, American gate or planned parenthood, I think we'd all have an understanding of the foundation. I've never heard of this particular charity would Mr. Patel or someone be in a position, just tell us about it. Speaker 5 00:31:12 So this is a, an Asian, Indian, nonprofit health oriented organism. Is that correct? Speaker 6 00:31:20 That is Speaker 5 00:31:20 Correct. And the idea is to promote holistic medical care in the case of physical therapist, which is what you generally provide, what you exclusively, what you provide right now, this is not exclusive to the south Asian community, but this includes the south Asian community. Is that correct? That is correct. So if I was a member of the, not necessarily south Asian community, let's just say I live in Piscataway. How would I come to mobile and utilize the, the services that might be provided by you Speaker 6 00:31:51 Right now? Everything is word of mouth. So people talk to each other, the word gets out, and then we do everything on an appointment basis because of course there's only one doctor there. So once they call in the doctor gets an idea of what the patient needs and then schedule us to meet with the patient. And then based on the needs of the patient, it could either be an one time a visit, or it could be an ongoing visit for a certain like, Speaker 5 00:32:21 Yeah. And how long has this organization have been in existence Speaker 6 00:32:25 For years now? Speaker 5 00:32:28 And you accept just donations or do you charge people for the services that are provided? Speaker 6 00:32:38 Everything is on a donation basis. If they choose to, they could donate. If they don't have the money, you don't have the means. And when you serve everyone just as equally, Speaker 5 00:32:48 Okay. And the practitioners that you're thinking of bringing on board right now, you just have the physical therapist, the physical therapist paid by your organization. No, really Speaker 6 00:32:58 Volunteer, surely volunteering. And is it just Speaker 5 00:33:01 One physical therapist? Speaker 6 00:33:02 So they have more than one. Just the one. Is there any other locations? No. This is the only location. Speaker 5 00:33:13 And what prompted the formation of this organization? Speaker 6 00:33:17 It was, it all started from the church. There was a lot of people who needed help didn't have the means to get the help or the money to get the help they needed. And it was a combination of the need that was there, but no one to fill that need on a nonprofit basis. Speaker 7 00:33:40 Madam chair at Councilwoman Cahill. Again, thank you, Mr. Patel, if I just may expand upon that. So right now, pretty much the church members from a particular church are made aware, and then it goes word of mouth from there. Speaker 6 00:34:01 Not anymore. Now it's just the clients that we have. They have now been speaking to other people and speaking about their results. And it's just been a climbing effort. We no longer, right. It was kind of born in that setting, but that setting is no longer still the COVID Speaker 7 00:34:19 Right. Th the need expanded. And now it's obviously the reason why you're looking to expand. And if I may just ask one other question with regard to eligibility, I mean, are you guys, I mean, is it anyone who walks in and says they can either not pay or they can donate five bucks, 10 bucks or whatever it may be? Are you, is there a criteria or are essentially your doors open to anyone who's seeking this kind of Speaker 6 00:34:51 The doors are open to anyone seeking that out. Speaker 7 00:34:55 Thank you very much for your time. Speaker 6 00:34:58 Thank you, Speaker 7 00:35:02 Mr. Ortho, do you, are you, are you finished with this witness? Speaker 5 00:35:06 I am. Unless the board members have Speaker 7 00:35:08 Additional to the public, but Mr. Speaker 10 00:35:10 Gottlieb has some questions. Madam chair, God Speaker 7 00:35:13 Live on. Speaker 10 00:35:16 I just have one question regarding the staffing or pharmacy hotel. Do you have any with any of these doctors too? They have any nurse practitioners with them because that could also add to staffing? Speaker 6 00:35:35 No. Speaker 0 00:35:36 Okay. Thank you. Any other questions from the floor? Is there a receptionist? No. Is there a people that take you from the waiting room to see the doctor, the exam room? You know, one of the, Speaker 6 00:35:53 If the doctor, obviously the doctor can't do the reception part and treat the patient. So there wouldn't be one assistance for each doctor, which they will provide. Speaker 0 00:36:05 Okay. Thank you. Any other questions from the board? We would like to open it up to the public or these anybody? Speaker 3 00:36:17 I do not see anyone. The chair. Speaker 0 00:36:21 Thank you. Close to the public is for this witness. Okay. Speaker 5 00:36:28 Thank you with your permission, Madam sheriff, I may call Mr. Steve drew girl, who I'd like to have qualified as an expert in architecture. Speaker 0 00:36:36 You may lay foundation Speaker 11 00:36:39 And I'm Steve DRUGA registered architect offices at two 50 stout road. Piscataway New Jersey been an architect since 1976. Speaker 5 00:36:49 Let me make sure you get sworn in first. Speaker 0 00:36:52 Yes, please. Can we have Mr. Droga sworn in please? Ms. Hernandez and she muted out. Speaker 3 00:37:09 I think I was muted. Can I, can you hear me now? Yes, yes, yes. Okay. Mr. Drew, can you please raise your right whether the text, when he bought the deal with the truth and nothing but the truth Speaker 11 00:37:24 I do. Speaker 3 00:37:25 Can you please state and spell your name for the record? Speaker 11 00:37:29 Steve . Speaker 3 00:37:32 Thank you. Speaker 0 00:37:34 You may proceed. Thank you, Speaker 5 00:37:37 Steve. Here, a licensed architect in the state of New Jersey, is that correct? Correct. And you've been accepted by a number of boards, planning and zoning boards throughout the state of New Jersey, including the way township, zoning, board and planning board. That is correct. And do you recall the last time that you were before this board? Speaker 11 00:37:55 Oh, God. It's been a while. I've just been before the zoning board about couple months ago. Speaker 5 00:38:03 And since the last time it drew before the zoning board of your bench, where you accepted as an expert, first of all, by the zoning board. Yes. And have your Prudentials changed any way since that time until now? Speaker 11 00:38:14 No, they have not. Speaker 5 00:38:15 Madam chair had asked that he be accepted as an expert in the area of architecture. Speaker 0 00:38:20 We'll accept him as an expert in architecture. Speaker 5 00:38:23 Steve, you've heard the application. You're your with the application. You've heard of the testimony that Mr. Patel provided earlier. I'm going to ask you if you wouldn't mind, let's go through the upstairs. Seems to be of understandable concern for the board members. There was a full bathroom that has been shown upstairs. Can you tell us why a full bathroom was designed upstairs? Speaker 11 00:38:46 Well, originally when I thought about cases, any medical emergency, you have a bath or shower to be able to wash anything that might happen. That's really the cause of that, but shower and bath can be eliminated as far as that's concerned. Speaker 5 00:39:05 Okay. So we're okay with eliminating that if the board was to make that a condition, one of the conditions of an approval, if there is an approval. Speaker 11 00:39:12 Yes, but as far as the bathroom facility, the building code mandates a bathroom in that area, in that second floor. So we really can't eliminate the bathroom because all this area building code mandates, a bathroom facility, I need Florida. Speaker 5 00:39:32 We've also heard that the mayor made a, an understandable comment about the, the kitchen app. Can you tell us what exactly is being proposed in the kitchenette? Speaker 11 00:39:41 It's just basically a coffee area for lunch or for a snack, whatever it Speaker 5 00:39:47 Is. I go away, most likely microwave Speaker 11 00:39:50 And maybe a coffee machine that's Speaker 5 00:39:53 We're not proposing stove or an oven. Speaker 11 00:39:56 That's Speaker 5 00:39:57 Okay. And if there was a, an approval by this board of the application, would you be okay with making sure that your plans and that a condition of the approval would be that we not have a stove, dishwasher, or a, an oven jerk generally found in kitchens that people would use places that they live in? Speaker 11 00:40:23 Yes, no. Wouldn't have any, I wouldn't have any problem with that. Okay. Getting in corporal cooperate. Well, when I added Speaker 5 00:40:31 Steve, if I can take you through the staff reports that have been generated as a result of this application, the one of the comments was that the facility itself needs to be ADA compliant, both the access to the facility and also within the facility, how are we making sure that that's done Speaker 11 00:40:53 Existing facility? There was existing ramp on the exterior that leads to the entrance, to the building that will be utilized once you're in the building, the areas on the floor, the entryway and the hallways are with required for ADA accessibility. The first four, it will be an ADA accessible bathroom facility. And the hallways and doorways are ADA accessible. As far as there was no ADA accessible again, the second floor, but there's no elevator. So basically patients are limited to the first floor. Speaker 5 00:41:29 Okay. Now there were some renovations that are being proposed for the first, as well as the correct. Speaker 11 00:41:34 Yes. It's basically the entryway, a new way. ADA entryway with a stair going to the second floor with the right out of prison. It's a single story structure. So we have to take space to put a second of stairway to the second floor. Speaker 5 00:41:51 And can you give us the size of the rooms on the first floor as we're proposing them to be? And then I think the same thing for the second floor, Speaker 11 00:42:01 The exam rooms are roughly a 10 by 12, approximately the existing reception area. That's probably a nine foot by 15 foot Vince, the waiting room by nine by 10, a restroom, the exam room, the restroom. And they're roughly a five by eight. One is five by an existing restaurant with five by five, which does not in a non ADA restaurant is the average room center, a rear approximately a 12 by 14 apiece to exam rooms on the first floor. Second floor of the office deserved the dimensions are 13 or 14. I a 14 on either side 1351 on one side, 14 on the other side, four for 10 hallway, a new office in the left, 13, probably 13 by 14. Then the file rooms are roughly eight foot by 14 feet with a closet storage storage closet, a bathroom. The ciliary would be roughly eight by seven, the at present, and we know meeting on to a journey towards the front, which should be about 25 foot. The width of what's in the building at 1250 with the closet for a meeting room for doctors, the medicals. Speaker 5 00:43:35 Yeah. The reason I asked you to go through both the first floor and the second floor is a design has been done. Is it you, you've also designed residential homes. Speaker 11 00:43:46 Yes. Speaker 5 00:43:48 Would this be, would this be easily translatable to residential use? Speaker 11 00:43:54 Evidently yes, it can be, Speaker 5 00:43:56 Except there's no closet, Speaker 11 00:44:00 No closets in the room, bedroom, closets and new office area. If the exam rooms have low closets, Speaker 5 00:44:07 Is there any design that you can offer in addition to evolve right now that would give them a guarantee that it can never any room. It never be used as a habitable bedroom. Speaker 11 00:44:19 That's highly unlikely and he wouldn't come to you. There's any office could be used as a bedroom Speaker 5 00:44:23 And even any office that exists currently, currently Speaker 11 00:44:26 In our property or anywhere any facility, you're a room, the size of an office 12 by 12 could leave easily to become a bedroom. All you need to do is put up a closet in there where a wardrobe and that would become a bedroom, could become a bedroom. Speaker 5 00:44:45 I don't have any other questions for Mr. Jury who, if the board members have any questions, Speaker 7 00:44:49 Madam chair, it's Councilwoman Cahill. Yeah. To Mr. Drew this point by the, about any office being turned into bedroom, all you have to do is out a closet. So I think the question is, is why do these offices need closets? Speaker 11 00:45:08 Well, the new officers on the second floor proposed second floor, or for the individual physicians and his closet is for their files or equipment, whatever they might use in their practice. Speaker 7 00:45:22 I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Equipment like meaning what kind of equipment, Speaker 11 00:45:27 Whatever, the, whatever, their particular, what's the word? Wherever their particular specialty. Speaker 7 00:45:38 Yeah. But Mr. DRUGA, according to Mr. Patel, that would not happen on that floor. The only on the second floor, the doctors will only see patients in the exam rooms. The first floor, the second floor of equipment would not be there. It would be on the first floor and correct me if I'm wrong. Any business office I've been in filing cabinets are along a wall, not in a closet. So let's scrap the closets and then, you know, we can call it a day. In addition to some of these, the other changes we need, Speaker 5 00:46:22 Steve, can we eliminate the closets upstairs? Speaker 11 00:46:24 Yes. That could be eliminated. And we could have a particular need that we need to particular or physician might need that space for their files or whatever, or supplies for that particular practice. Madam chair. Speaker 5 00:46:41 I think I can Speaker 11 00:46:42 Think of. I'm sorry. Speaker 5 00:46:44 Yeah, I apologize. And stuff. Let me just confirm with Mr. Patel. I would strongly urge him to, to consider the elimination of the, of the closets upstairs. Are we okay with that, Mr. Patel? Yes. Thank you. So we'll take that off the table Speaker 2 00:47:06 Instead of Tom Barlow, or could you have him address number two and Mr. Hinterstein report in terms of stepping back the second floor? Speaker 5 00:47:17 Sure. Let me do that. Mr. Hinterstein indicated that the, the setback is it's already exists for the front yard. Is, is that much more prominent as a result of this? Now second floor being added, what architectural features that we added to sort of soften or eliminate that Speaker 11 00:47:38 Preliminary original preliminary plan had a Gable front to the Gable roof that are front, which made it look like a three-story front wall. When you eliminated that Gable to the front and slumped drew flopping from the second floor ceiling towards the center of the building that gives the parents of not being as tall, but you don't have a flat wall going all the way up three stories. You can have a flat wall for two stories. The other option is set to construct the building with the second floor. Setback causes structural problems to actual construction of the facility. With the existing. There are no existing load bearing walls on that first floor that would be able to support the front wall of the second floor. Speaker 5 00:48:28 You would have to build the second floor wall as a continuation of the first four wall, but we can soften it with the other architectural features. Yeah. Speaker 11 00:48:37 So often with those architectural features, Speaker 0 00:48:44 Any other questions from the board hearing? No questions. I'll open it up to the Pope. Do we have any quest for the public questions at this witness? No. Madam chair. All right. Close to the public for this witness. Thank you, Mr. Any other witnesses for you in court, Speaker 5 00:49:09 Mr. WaterWall And her, can you turn on your camera as well, please? Speaker 0 00:49:23 I can't see my mind. Okay. I might hit the video. The witnessing is his name Elvis also? No, I don't see her about my screen. Speaker 5 00:49:49 I see in my mind screen, Speaker 0 00:49:52 He's there on the video screen. Chaill I see the name, Speaker 5 00:49:56 Right? Herb. If you can hear us, can you at least respond audibly? Make sure that you're not on mute Speaker 0 00:50:05 Type in the chat to Arvin. Yeah, let me think. He walked away. Where are you? Speaker 5 00:50:28 If I could just put you on the board on you just temporarily. Let me see if I can reach him on the phone line. Speaker 0 00:50:35 Go ahead please. Thank you. So are you in the office tomorrow, right? Yes, I am. Speaker 12 00:50:51 Okay. Speaker 5 00:51:36 Madam chair, Speaker 0 00:51:37 You'll be lost two witnesses. Speaker 5 00:51:39 We lost herb and he was such a good witness that he counts as two and he's having some computer issues and cannot log on. And given the new DCA guidelines, I know that he needs to be here on video. You want this on Speaker 0 00:51:57 The record? I haven't, Speaker 5 00:51:59 Yes, this is all on record. Okay. Speaker 0 00:52:03 You have a proposal. Speaker 5 00:52:05 What I would ask is that the matter be adjourned or carried to the next meeting, I wanted to put in all our testimony, but obviously some things are in our control and technology obviously is not one of those Speaker 0 00:52:19 Things is 2020 Speaker 5 00:52:21 Barely. Speaker 0 00:52:24 So since we're, we're going to carry this meeting anyway, is that the request Speaker 5 00:52:30 I would ask respectfully if the carry to the next meeting, there'll be an announcement this evening. And we'll conclude with Mr. Lauder wall. I don't know the availability of our other witness, Mr. or the meeting dates. So perhaps if we can at least clear that up, Speaker 0 00:52:48 The next meeting date is going to be November the fourth. Speaker 5 00:52:53 Steve, are you okay for November 4th? Yes, I'll be available. Great. Speaker 0 00:52:59 Laura, do you see any big problem with that? On our skin? On our calendar? I don't have the best Madam chair. Okay, fine. That's fine. We can adjourn it until November. The fourth Speaker 5 00:53:15 Piece of the modern Speaker 0 00:53:16 Chair is to godly. Yes. Yes. Can I choose is, is Mr. Lada roll, Speaker 5 00:53:20 Going to be able to provide some testimony on the Speaker 0 00:53:25 Parking Speaker 5 00:53:27 In terms of the parking demand? Yes. I think that maybe we can have Mr. Patel provide that receipt. He can certainly give us a testimony on what's being proposed in terms of the parking field, but Mr. Patel can and he'll be available at the next hearing as well. I'll make a note that we'll pull the dress parking in Phoenix here. Speaker 0 00:53:49 Okay. Thank you. Okay. thank you everyone. Let's see what's left on our agenda for the night item. Number nine, motion to pay the bills. Councilwoman Cahill. Thank you. May I get a second, Katie? Second roll call Speaker 1 00:54:20 Mayor. Wahler got it. Councilwoman Cahill. Yes. This corporate Ms. Saunders Kalpesh excuse me to she's raised, she's raising her hand. So that's a, yes, she's not muted, but she raised her hand. Speaker 0 00:54:48 He's on two lines Speaker 1 00:54:50 Muted. That's why. Oh, I see whoever Kenny, Mr. Espinosa. Yes. And that I'm chair. Speaker 0 00:54:59 Yes. Okay. The bills have been paid. Is there any other business there? Where else on make a motion to the German? Madam chair we read for the public. Then the next time we're going to have to application is November 4th, correct? Correct? Correct. Speaker 2 00:55:17 And there won't be any additional notice the matter's been carried so you won't get any, if any members of the public are on the meeting, you won't get another letter in the mail. Just diary for November 4th, 2020 at 7:30 PM. The login information can be fine. Found on the township website when the agenda's posted. Correct? Ms. Buckley, Speaker 1 00:55:40 Correct? Mr. Bartlett. Speaker 0 00:55:43 Okay. Having no other business before us, this meeting is adjourned. Laura. Yes. Hold on a second. I want to keep you on for something on the, on the audio. Speaker 2 00:55:57 Okay. Well, let's Speaker 0 00:55:59 Get the rest of this. Speaker 2 00:56:03 I just felt like there was a second to glow is no, Speaker 0 00:56:07 Is there a second back in Councilman Cahn? One division. The motion has carried all Speaker 1 00:56:23 In favor. Speaker 4 00:56:30 All impactful. Speaker 1 00:56:33 Hi. Speaker 4 00:56:38 No objection. Speaker 1 00:56:40 Okay. 8 27. Have a good night. Everyone. See you next month due to, Speaker 4 00:56:48 Okay, honey, I got a question for you only because you know what you, I have the scope is she won't be able to hook up if she has any questions on my outlines, something somehow on your end for the regular audio got shut off. Totally. Speaker 1 00:57:06 I have no idea. I did the same thing. I always do. I don't know how to do that. Speaker 4 00:57:10 When I signed on, it said, hold on, let me see if I hit audio. I'm not going to keep you long. Just like 30 seconds. I hit record at the bottom of my icon where it's share screen. When I record, it says, let's see, let me hit. Oh. Or, or no, it's saying, please ask the host to give you permission to record. Speaker 1 00:57:33 I don't know how to do that. I've never had to do that for Speaker 4 00:57:38 Okay. Speaker 1 00:57:41 The mission to record, Speaker 4 00:57:45 You know, why you'll have other reporters going Speaker 1 00:57:48 Crazy and what we've been doing this for months, I never had an issue before, so I don't know why. Speaker 4 00:57:51 And there was lie. I've always been able to, it sinks in with the recording, but now it's, it's definitely shut off. Speaker 1 00:57:58 I wrote myself a sticky note. I will call it in the morning and asked for permission to report. Speaker 4 00:58:03 Yeah. It's because it's blocking.