Transcript for Piscataway Planning meeting on June 11 2025
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Speaker 0 00:00:00 Planning board meeting will please come to order. Adequate notice of this meeting was provided in the following ways. Notice published. Notice published in the Courier News Notice posted on the bulletin board of the municipal building notice made available to the township clerk Notice sent to the Courier News and the star ledger, Ms. Buckley, will you please call the role Speaker 1 00:00:23 Mayor Wahler. Present Councilwoman Cahill. Here. Ms. Corcoran? Here. Ms. Saunders? Here. Reverend Kinneally. Speaker 2 00:00:34 Here. Speaker 1 00:00:35 Mr. Atkins? Here. Mr. Ahmed, Mr. ET. Here. And Madam Chair Speaker 0 00:00:43 Here. Mr. Barlow, would you please read the Open Public meeting? Notice? Speaker 3 00:00:47 Certainly Madam Chair. And keeping with the guidelines that have been disseminated by the Department of Community Affairs, the planning board has tried its best to comply with the open PP Open Public Meetings Act and the governor's guidelines in dealing with virtual meetings. Anyone that wants to be heard this evening, if we are just asking if they would raise their hand and at the appropriate time, the chair will call on them. And we've complied with the DCA guidelines. Madam Chair. Speaker 0 00:01:18 Thank you. I believe the flag is visible over my right shoulder. Can we all recite the Pledge of Allegiance in unison, please? I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible. With liberty. With liberty and justice for all. Okay. And can we swear in the professional's place? Okay. Speaker 4 00:01:52 Can you Speaker 3 00:01:53 Try to, Mr. Clark, Speaker 4 00:01:56 Can you please raise your right hand? Do you swear that the testimony you're about to give will be the truth and nothing but the truth? Speaker 1 00:02:03 I do. Speaker 4 00:02:04 I do. Thank you. Speaker 0 00:02:06 Okay, Mr. Barlow, are there any alterations or changes to the agenda? Speaker 3 00:02:10 Madam Chair? There are none. Speaker 0 00:02:12 Thank you. Okay. I'll take a motion from anyone on the board to pay the audited bills. The duly audited bills Speaker 1 00:02:21 Motion. Speaker 2 00:02:23 Motion that we pay duly bills. Speaker 0 00:02:26 Thank you. Councilman ca Cahill. I'll take that as a second. Thank you. Thank you. Chair roll call please. Speaker 1 00:02:35 Mayor Wahler? Yes. Councilwoman Cahill? Yes. Ms. Corcoran? Yes. Ms. Saunders? Yes. Reverend Kinneally? Speaker 2 00:02:46 Yes. Speaker 1 00:02:46 Mr. Atkins? Yes. Mr. Aria? Yes. And Madam Chair? Yes. Speaker 0 00:02:54 Adoption of resolution, please? Speaker 4 00:02:57 I, well, I was gonna ask, was there it in the meeting invite, because I don't have it. Speaker 3 00:03:04 It's a resolution. Madam Chair for 24, PB 10 and 11 V, which is m and m. It's the CVS at fifties Knight Bridge Road. The applicant had decided not to pursue the application at this time, so a resolution was prepared to dismiss the application without prejudice. Just a housekeeping matter, Madam Chair. So if anyone's inclined to make the motion to adopt the resolution, dismissing it without prejudice as per the applicant's request. Speaker 0 00:03:39 Okay. Speaker 4 00:03:40 Madam Chairman, this is Carol Saunders. I requested the application be removed without any prejudice. Speaker 0 00:03:50 Is there a second? Speaker 2 00:03:52 I'll second. Reverend Kinneally, Speaker 0 00:03:55 Roll call Speaker 1 00:03:56 Please. Mayor Wahler? Yes. Councilwoman Cahill? Yes. Ms. Corcoran? Yes. Ms. Saunders? Yes. Reverend Kinneally? Speaker 2 00:04:05 Yes. Speaker 1 00:04:05 Mr. Atkins? Yes. Mr. Aria? Yes. And Madam Chair? Speaker 0 00:04:10 Yes. Item number nine, adoption of the minutes from regular meeting. May 14th. Speaker 4 00:04:17 Madam Chairman, I'd like to memorialize the meeting minutes from the regular meeting of May 14th. Speaker 0 00:04:22 Do I have a second Speaker 3 00:04:25 Kins? A second. Speaker 0 00:04:27 Thank you. Roll call. Speaker 1 00:04:28 Mayor Wahler? Yes. Councilwoman Cahill? Yes. Ms. Corcoran? Yes. Ms. Saunders? Yes. Reverend Kinneally? Speaker 2 00:04:37 Yes. Speaker 1 00:04:37 Mr. Atkins? Yes. Mr. Aria? Yes. And Madam Chair? Speaker 0 00:04:42 Yes. Item number 10, discussion to discuss whether the property designated as block 2 0 1 lot 1.01 block seven, block 2 0 2 lot 42.02 and 3 5 5 linear feet from the Terminus going towards Hazelwood Place. Mr. Clarkin? Speaker 5 00:05:06 Yes. Thank you. So I'm presenting an addendum to an area in need of re area in need of redevelopment study I did for this board almost about less, a little less than a year ago. So I'm just gonna, I'm sharing my screen to show it's a one pager, so this will be pretty quick. I just wanna move this. There we go. So, yeah, about a year ago you asked me to prepare this in need of redevelopment study for block 2 0 2 lot 42.02, block 2 0 1, lot 1.01, and a portion of South second Street, which is a Middlesex County Road. So I prepared that study for this board and presented it. We found that it met several criteria of the in need of redevelopment study criteria. So you accepted that study had moved to township council who formally adopted it as a non condemnation area in need of redevelopment. This was via resolution 24 dash three 17, dated September 10th, 2024. So, quick refresher, Speaker 7 00:06:22 Is there interference? Speaker 5 00:06:24 Nope, I was just switching up. Oh, okay. So the two properties were this one right here. So South Second Street runs here and it terminates right here and the border down. Oh, Speaker 7 00:06:34 Mr. Clarkin, we're not moving with your screen. We still just have a word doc up. Speaker 5 00:06:41 Oh, you know what, I know why Thank you. Here, let's try this again. How about now? Speaker 6 00:07:03 Yes, yes. Speaker 5 00:07:04 Okay. Sorry. Sorry about that. So as a refresher, the two par, the two parcels was this, it was basically just a storage lot not being used. And then these, this bigger lot with three structures on it, they were found to be dilapidated, but also included was 180 linear feet of second Street. So this is right on the border with Dannel and it's right near Dannel and train station. So since that time, a potential redeveloper has emerged and they're doing some due diligence and they found that they may need additional right of way for second South second Street to make this an effective redevelopment. Now, you probably don't remember, but we included the 180 linear feet to make it one contiguous lot so that it could be effectively redeveloped. So that was the reasoning, the legal reasoning behind including those linear feet of the street so that you wouldn't have two separate redevelopments, you would've one contiguous. Speaker 5 00:08:07 So the purpose of this addendum really is to formally recommend in my professional opinion, that an additional 175 feet of South second streets right away be included within the study. So 180 was originally included in my original study, and this addendum would be adding another 175. So that would bring the grand total to 355 linear feet. And the rationale for such inclusion of the entire 355 linear feet is exactly the same as why we originally included South Second Street in the original. And it's because of the effective, the need for the effective redevelopment of both parcels into one project. So therefore, it's my professional opinion of the, the inclusion of a total of 300 hundred 55 linear feet of South second Street is found necessary with or without change in its current condition for the effective redevelopment of which it's apart, so that it can be one contiguous study area that can be effectively redeveloped. So that's really all I have. It's short and sweet. It's really just making this minor addendum and change to the study area in terms of the length of right away that South second Street is included for the effective redevelopment area. So, so, Speaker 0 00:09:26 So could you show us one more time on the Sure. Speaker 5 00:09:29 Yeah. So this is the one lot, this is the other, we included about 180 feet. So I think this would be extending it towards Hazelwood Place by 175 feet up towards about, yeah. So up there. Okay. Speaker 0 00:09:50 So that Speaker 8 00:09:51 It's vacating the street? Speaker 5 00:09:53 Correct. Vacating the street. Speaker 0 00:09:55 Okay. Okay. Speaker 7 00:10:01 Members of Madam Chair, may I ask a question? Speaker 0 00:10:03 Do you have Yes. Members of the board? Do you have questions? Go ahead, Ms. Speaker 7 00:10:06 Yes, Madam Chair. Thank you so much. So Mr. Clarkin, where, where then is the access to the road? Is it, the access is going to be to Hazelwood, correct? Speaker 5 00:10:21 Yeah, so access to, we haven't, I don't think we've seen any formal redevelopment or concept plans, but they would enter the property the same way you do today Speaker 8 00:10:31 On Second Street? Speaker 5 00:10:32 Yeah, on Second Street. Okay. Speaker 7 00:10:34 It, it is on Second Street. But if these are one contiguous piece, then Second Street, does it effectively dead end where this redevelopment plan begins? Like how does that work? Speaker 5 00:10:47 Yeah, I think it's basically moving where the effective dead end is. So if you were to drive down today right, you'd have to stop about here. So it would be almost moving the dead end up. Okay. Closer to Hazelwood. Speaker 0 00:10:59 Oh, oh, okay. Speaker 7 00:11:00 Okay. Alright. Thank you. Yep. Speaker 0 00:11:02 And, and members of the, any other members of the board have questions? Okay. Let's open it to the public members of the public. Do you have any questions of the testimony given by this witness regarding this application? If you, if you have questions, please indicate by raising your hand on your computer. Speaker 7 00:11:26 No. And Madam Chair. Speaker 0 00:11:28 Okay. Close to the public. If there's any additional questions by the board, we can hear them at this time or else someone can make appropriate motion. Speaker 7 00:11:46 Madam Chair, if there are no other further comments from the board, then I would make a motion to have this board adopt the, I guess it's an amendment to the original redevelopment plan to include the additional linear fee. Speaker 0 00:12:07 Okay. Correct. Speaker 7 00:12:09 Suffice. Speaker 0 00:12:10 Okay. Okay. Do I have a second? Speaker 1 00:12:12 Madam Chair Corcoran? I'll second. Speaker 0 00:12:15 Okay, thank you. Roll call please. Speaker 1 00:12:17 Mayor Wahler? Yes. Councilwoman Cahill? Yes. Ms. Corcoran? Yes. Ms. Saunders? Yes. Reverend Kinneally? Yes. Mr. Atkins? Yes. Mr. Aria? Yes. And Madam Chair? Speaker 0 00:12:32 Yes. Thank you. All right. Thank you. Item number 11, discussion housing element and fair share Housing Plan by Harbor Consultants dated May, 2025. Speaker 9 00:12:49 Good evening. Speaker 0 00:12:50 Hi, would you enter your appearance please? Speaker 9 00:12:53 Michael Mistretta from Harvard Consultants. Speaker 0 00:12:58 Thank you. You may proceed, Mr. Mistretta. Speaker 9 00:13:02 Thank you. I'll just introduce myself to the board and then I have a, a brief PowerPoint I would like to just run through to summarize the plan. Speaker 0 00:13:12 Okay. Go ahead. Speaker 9 00:13:13 Will I be able to share my screen? Speaker 0 00:13:15 You will be able to. Do you have any witnesses, sir, other than yourself? No, Speaker 9 00:13:19 Just myself. Okay. Speaker 3 00:13:20 Thank Madam Chair. Just to give the board a little bit of, of context, Mr. Retta is a planner that was retained by the municipality to pref prepare a housing element and fair share plan report. This is required on the New Jersey statute and is part of the fourth round of affordable housing. So this is kind of like the master plan review that we do in reexamination report. In that Mr. Maretta is the, is the municipality's planner. He's gonna go over the housing element and fair share plan that he prepared, explain to the board why it needs to be done and, and what it entails. And obviously if the board has any questions related to it, and I'm sure I'll be very happy to answer them. And then the board would adopt, absent any objections, would adopt the housing element and fair share plan. And it would essentially become part of the master plan and also would go back to the, to the council for its utilization also. I hope that gives some context and Mr. Reta Okay. Take it from there. Speaker 9 00:14:35 Thank you again. My name is Mike Retta. I'm a planner of Harbor Consultants office at three 20 North Avenue East in Cranford, New Jersey. I am the supervising planner in at Harbor Consultants where we have seven planners on, on my planning team. We represent a number of municipalities throughout New Jersey and we have really focused on affordable housing and redevelopment as far back as the third round starting in 2015. And tonight I've prepared, I'm going to just walk through the board, the housing element fair share plan that I submitted to the township. The plan was submitted on Friday, May 30th to the planning board. And it has been on file there since then. And I know it's a rather large document containing several hundred pages, but I tried to really reduce it down to a few pages on a PowerPoint, get right to the point of the document. And if you allow me, I will bring up that PowerPoint. I will walk through the PowerPoint and then I'll be happy to answer any questions that anybody has. Okay, thank you. And everybody see the screen? Speaker 6 00:16:10 Yes. Speaker 9 00:16:11 Okay, great. First slide, just a cover page of the document. It's dated June, 2025. It is signed and sealed by May Michael Mistretta. It's the PowerPoint's broken down into four specific sections. Why the, why are we doing this? What's the history of affordable housing in New Jersey? Affordability obligation calculation, our number of 539, how is that derived an overview of the prior round obligation numbers. And then how are we satisfying our fourth round compliance history? It dates back to 1975. I'm sure everyone here understands it's, it's been 50 years since the adoption of Mount Laurel one State legislature adopts Fair Housing Act in 1985. And then there were a series of rounds succeeding that prior round 1987 to 1999. Round three included the gap year. So it went from 1999 to 2025. To be clear, the round three ends June 30th, 2025, round four starts June 30th, I'm sorry, July 1st, 2025, July 1st, 2025 this year. Speaker 9 00:17:39 And it goes through June 30th, 2035. That is the plan that we are submitting. And then we're talking about tonight, the round four plan. This plan is being prepared at direction of the amendments to the Fair Housing Act signed by Governor Murphy on March 20th, 2024 that set this entire fourth round process. In play our calculations, we are in Piscataway Township and we are located in three region 300 and County, Middlesex County and Somerset County. These are the three count three counties that we're, that we're in the same region with our affordable housing prospective need. Obligation is calculated based on three variables. The first one is an equalized non-residential valuation factor, which addresses the municipalities change and its non-residential property values value within the housing region. Second variable is the income capacity factor and which is the difference between Piscataway median income and the lowest region, the lowest in the region. And item three is the land capacity factor, which is our share of developable land in the region. Overview of the prior round obligation, 1987 and 1999, the prior round obligation was 736 units. The third round number, which is just concluding third and June 30th of this year was 975 units. And the fourth round prospective need, which this plan has been prepared to address between is 539. Speaker 9 00:19:32 First of all, satisfaction of our fourth round RDP. There is a series of nine developments that are folded into the fourth round, all of which contribute affordable housing units towards our obligation of 539. And I'll go through these very quickly one at a time, but they're the Williams Street town. Town homes. There's the Fox and Fox crossings, and then there's Fox and Fox Two second Development, Stelton Apartments, the Bruner property, the Dele Project at Sylvan Avenue and South Washington Avenue, 60 Lakeview Avenue, LA Porta Builders Project, and the River Crest Cabana Club development, one at a time. The Williams Street Town homes at 6 1 6 Williams Street. There's a development there with two affordable housing units. The second development is the Fox and Fox crossings, which is at 19 Steal Road. And there are three affordable housing units in this development that add to our RDP. Speaker 9 00:20:48 The third development is the Fox and Fox two project on nine Stelton Road. There's a total of two affordable housing units that will be drived from this development. Item four, development four is the, the Stelton Apartments at 300 through 3 28 Stelton Road. And I just wanna highlight on this plan, and I'll clarify at the the last slide that I have, but when I originally submitted the report, I made an error on the potential affordable housing units on this project. The report identifies 32, but it's actually 32 plus eight. So there's a total of 40 affordable units on this, on this site. The fifth development is the Bruner property, 1791 and 1776 South second Street. And there's a potential affordable housing units of 36 units on this site. Then there's the Dele project, that's Syl Avenue and South Washington Avenue address is one 20 Sylvan Avenue. Clarification again in red at the bottom of the slide, the potential total units is 107, and I did not have that number in the report. And the potential affordable units is not 18, it is 21. So I want to clarify that for the record. Speaker 9 00:22:31 The seventh project is located at 60 Lakeview Avenue and there's a potential affordable units of 84 affordable units on this project. And the eighth one is at 15 dash 17 Shelton Road. There's two affordable units on this development. And then finally the ninth project is at the River Crest Cabana Club, located at 51 60 Orchard Street and 51 70 Orchard Street, where there would be a collection of three affordable housing units on this development. The two projects that we've included in the plan to address our unmet need is the R project located at 1700 South Washington Avenue. It's a total of 218 units with 39 potential affordable housing units. Speaker 9 00:23:40 And the second one is located at block 1901 Lot 64 0 1 with an address of 44 Stelton Road. The potential unit potential total units is 157 and the potential affordable units is 32. A summary of the plan of all of the numbers that I just went through as far as our, our ob our obligation, our RDP developments, we have, I had 182, but there is two corrections that I'm making tonight for the record, I, there was one, there was eight units that I did not include in another project. I was off by three. So I want to clarify, there's 193 total affordable housing units that would be collected by those 11. Those nine developments, those are the first nine that I went through. And then under the unmet need developments, there's a total of 71 units that would be collected in those two projects. The township is allowed to receive a maximum number of bonus credits of 25% of their number of 539. So we are eventually, as we work through this plan and build out these projects, the township is allowed to receive 134 bonus credits towards its fourth round obligation. Speaker 9 00:25:18 The plan talks about two other mechanisms in order to collect additional units throughout the township as the fourth round moves forward. And one is the extension of controls. It's to be determined, there's gonna have to be a detailed analysis of the prior round plans, prior round projects and, and all of the different affordable housing units that we have in the township today as those prior. What this means is, is as the prior round affordable housing units are expiring, there's an opportunity for the township to work with that developer use its affordable housing trust fund and extend a deed control, a deed restriction that is on one of those units that is expiring in the fourth round. And if it's extended into the fourth round with a new deed restriction, we will get credit for the unit and we do not have to build another unit in its place. Speaker 9 00:26:24 Hmm. So that is, as I, I'll go back to the first slide, but as you could see in the prior rounds, we built hundreds and hundreds of affordable housing units in our town over the, over the decades. And there's an opportunity to go back and see how many the prior round calls out for it. This plan calls out for it. It's something that we're gonna want to take a deep dive into and take a look and see how many of the extensions of controls could we possibly get to add to our collection of affordable housing units or credits, I should say, towards the fourth round. And then if there's any project that comes up throughout the entire town, I went over tonight very quickly, but I'll go through a little bit slowly in a minute. But there's 11 projects that are folded into our fourth round plan. Speaker 9 00:27:19 And we have a, what's called a mandatory setaside ordinance. And that's for any project township wide that moves forward after the adoption of this plan, the town's mandatory setaside ordinance, or collect those units and require a 20% set aside on all future developments elsewhere in the town. It's a catchall way of collecting units for any project that moves forward that I, we did not include into this plan that moves forward in the future through either rezoning a use variance, a redevelopment process, any which way we would collect those units. And that would also contribute. And we've established that's the balance of our obligation. That's the 1 41, although that number could go down if we, if we obtain more of the extensions of controls. So that's a quick summary of a very long plan. I wanted to spend one minute just going through, there's a, there's a, some cleanup I wanted to address and the two main items on this cleanup and some errors that I made when I originally printed the plan and submitted to it. Speaker 9 00:28:40 The, the two main issues are, and I've already addressed them in the slides earlier, is that there is an additional eight affordable housing units that will be collected, not 32, but a total of 40 on the project located at 3 23 28 Stelton Road. And then on one 20 Sylvan Avenue, and I've already addressed this, but just to be very clear, it's not 18, it is yielding 21 affordable housing units. The other items I think are more administrative, they have no impact on the plan, but I want to be clear about the number of affordables that were affordable units that we would be collecting out of those two projects that are highlighted in red and which I've already addressed when I went through my PowerPoint. Speaker 9 00:29:34 I'm, I'm here to answer any questions that you have on any of the projects. I know it is a very long and somewhat complicated plan. I've tried to reduce it down to what I think are the key items to discuss with the board tonight. And that is the projects. This housing plan is all about either rezoning or use variance or redevelopment. One of the planning tools to create a density with the set aside to collect affordable housing units so that we could address our constitutional obligation of 539 units for to fourth round. And in my opinion, those 11 unit, those 11 developments do just that. I think it's a very sound plan. And as I, as I showed you, oops, I don't know what happened there. As I showed you on one of the earlier slides, we have a Piscataway Township has a very long history of compliance and of constructing a substantial number of affordable housing units. As you could see by these numbers in the prior round and the third round, there's almost 2000 units constructed or credits total in just the first two rounds alone. So the township has a long and positive and strong history of compliance and adopting plans and, and in accordance with the the Fair Housing Act. And in my professional opinion, this plan continues that trend and, and we have addressed our constitutional obligation. Speaker 0 00:31:19 Thank you. Speaker 9 00:31:20 Thank you. Speaker 0 00:31:22 Members of the board. Any co questions or comments? Speaker 8 00:31:28 Madam Chair, I'm gonna reserve my comments until after all the other comments are taken. Speaker 0 00:31:33 Members of the board, any questions, comments? Speaker 7 00:31:39 I don't think I have any questions. So the, the plan if adopted tonight, we, we act we are meeting our obligation as laid out by the law. Is that correct, Mr. Mr. Mistretta? Speaker 9 00:31:53 Yes. The, the, the Amended Fair Housing Act put in adopted March of 2024, put in a very strict timeframe for every municipality throughout New Jersey to adopt their fourth round plan. The deadline is June 30th, 2025, the end of this month. The plan needs to be adopted, prepared, and presented at a public hearing, just like we're doing tonight. The plan that needs to be adopted by the planning board, it's a master plan document. It needs to be adopted by the planning board and by resolution, and then also endorsed by Township Council by resolution. And then we have 48 hours to file both of those documents, the two resolutions, and the plan itself down to the Department of Community Affairs. And that closes out our responsibility for compliance with the fourth round for the first stage of it. Should anybody has have a question or an objection to the plan or a comment, there's a period of time between July 1st and through the end of August. Speaker 9 00:33:05 They're due all by prior to September 1st. Any comments on the plan? And then at that time, we would take a look at those comments and as a group we would, you know, consider those comments and decide whether or not the plan needed to be amended in any way. But the first stage is, and we've worked through many stages to get here this evening, I'm not gonna take up more of your time, but there's an awful lot of work that we did through all throughout 2024, which addressed compliance with our affordable housing trust fund, with our unit monitoring report, making sure all of the credits are in place for our prior rounds and so on and so forth. And then there was a, an evaluation of the DCA numbers that went through from October all the way to January. So we, we really didn't get our official number until about, I think it was around mid-February, which then we were unleashed to put this plan together. So it's all come together in very short order, but the town is fully in compliance. The town has long history of compliance and this sets the stage for, this is a, essentially a 10 year housing plan. Speaker 9 00:34:28 I hope that answer your question. Speaker 7 00:34:29 Thank you. Yes, it did. Mr. Mr, Speaker 0 00:34:34 We have to open it up to the public, don't we? Speaker 3 00:34:38 Yes. Speaker 0 00:34:39 Okay. Mr. Speaker 3 00:34:40 You could unshare your screen. Speaker 9 00:34:41 Sure. Speaker 3 00:34:42 Thank you, sir. Speaker 0 00:34:44 Members of the public, you've heard testimony about the fair share housing plan, that's being the fourth round, fourth that of the municipal obligation for for affordable housing. Does anyone in the public have any questions of Mr. Mistretta at this time? If so, please indicate by raising your hand on your computer. Speaker 1 00:35:08 No, Madam Chair Speaker 0 00:35:11 Hearing ha Seeing no hands being raised closed to the public at this time. Speaker 8 00:35:16 Madam Chair, if I can jump in real quick, I also have to, we also have to add the fight that we do have a pending lawsuit against us by the Builders Association and some high density housing lobbyists. The bottom line is, is that we believe our plan is in compliance, but more importantly is the DCA because the law was written, the judge and the DCA officials actually have our municipal complex where public works in the PD is for 80 units, 80 units to be built there. We tallied up any additional vacant land. It would mean a minimum 40 units per acre, 40 units per acre. And I reemphasize this because the most we've ever done was 15 units per acre, you know, per per condos or apartments. This is so, so flawed. It's unbelievable. And I blame the state for this. I blame the judge will be winning it in, in the appellate vision because of, of their heirs. Speaker 8 00:36:27 Anybody can go on Google Earth and see that the property on hose lane, where the municipal building, the police department and public works is it's a government facility. You're not, you're not gonna put 80 units there. And there's other properties throughout the town where they're saying in development, like in the middle of, of, of the creek in, in the river. You know, I just, it's just bizarre. I mean, nobody bothered to even go on Google Earth and look at these properties that they were adding to. And of course, you know, it doesn't help when you have the builders association they wanna build on every square inch in every community. But, you know, I just would be remiss, we believe that we were in compliance and that, and as a matter of fact, these obligation numbers will go down because we're obviously not gonna build in the middle of the river. We're, we're not gonna build on our missile complex 'cause, you know, for obvious reasons. So I just wanna make sure the board members and the general public knew about that. This, so the, this is alaw process by the state, for lack of a better word, in DCA. Speaker 0 00:37:35 So how is that lawsuit going to impact what we have to do here tonight? Speaker 8 00:37:40 Well, we, we for now, Madam Chair, we, we just approved this tonight as well as the council. And that protects us from further lawsuits. But, you know, we're appealing the numbers because if you go by what, what they didn't look at for Google Earth, in theory, we would have to put 80, 80 condos in the middle of the courtyard. A permissible complex. So Speaker 0 00:38:04 The builders are suing to do a, a, a housing project? No, they Speaker 8 00:38:09 Sued us and everybody else. They sued everybody. Okay. Okay. Because a greedy, that's why. Speaker 0 00:38:14 Okay. Okay. Okay. Your comments are on the record. Speaker 8 00:38:17 Yeah, Speaker 3 00:38:18 Basically there's a, there's a fight between how they calculated many of the municipalities numbers and what the municipalities think are the actual buildable areas where they can be built. Speaker 0 00:38:32 Okay. So Speaker 3 00:38:34 That unfortunately, because of the stringent deadlines that were imposed on each municipalities, this has to be done by June 30th. It's for 10 years, we might not get a decision from the appellate division for, you know, God knows how long. God Speaker 8 00:38:48 Knows how long. Yeah. Speaker 3 00:38:49 Especially because there's so many municipalities that are in similar situation as to Pisca and Speaker 8 00:38:54 We're not the and Madam Chair, we're not the only ones that are finding out Right. That, you know, nobody bothered to look on Google Earth. Speaker 0 00:39:00 So I mean, so the municipal, so we have to proceed with our plans and not withstanding the fact that they're challenging and, and, and throwing, screw, screwing, trying to screw up everybody's plans. Speaker 3 00:39:12 Well, hypothetically, if we succeeded in, say the amount of buildable land is, is done by our calculations, that number could be 375 instead of in the five hundreds. So that this fair housing plan could then be adopted to reflect, you know, the appellate division's decision, the Supreme Court's decision, whatever. Speaker 0 00:39:33 Right. Speaker 3 00:39:34 Again, we have to act now, we are now in compliance. If the board adopts this and the council does so that we can't get in additional trouble with the state, so to speak. And then the matter will run its course as the mayor indicated, and they'll find out that you can't put condos on top of his office. Speaker 0 00:39:54 Okay. Speaker 3 00:39:55 On the municipal building. Speaker 1 00:39:58 Why not? Speaker 0 00:39:59 Might Speaker 3 00:40:00 Get a pickleball court like in the driveway or something. Speaker 0 00:40:03 So our next course of action then is to make a motion. And so would someone like to make a motion to adopt this housing fair share plan. Speaker 1 00:40:14 Madam Chair. Speaker 11 00:40:15 Oh, I'm sorry. Speaker 1 00:40:16 No, go ahead Dawn. I'll second it. Speaker 11 00:40:18 Madam Chair, I like to make a motion to adopt the housing element and the fair share plan. Speaker 1 00:40:23 I will second that. Madam Chair. Speaker 0 00:40:26 Okay. Speaker 1 00:40:28 Roll call. Speaker 0 00:40:28 Roll call please. Speaker 1 00:40:30 Mayor Wahler? Speaker 8 00:40:31 Yes. And I suspect Councilwoman Cahill, this number's gonna come down, so, Speaker 0 00:40:34 Oh, okay. It come, it time right now it's 500 and Somes, right? That's Speaker 11 00:40:38 Correct. 5 39. Speaker 1 00:40:39 Okay. 5 39 Councilwoman Cahill? Yes. Ms. Corcoran? Yes. Ms. Saunders? Yes. Reverend Kinneally? Yes. Mr. Atkins? Yes. Mr. Hammed? Yes. Mr. Aria? Yes. And Madam Chair. Speaker 0 00:40:55 Yes. So now we have a resolution to forward this on and forward this onto the council. Speaker 3 00:41:01 Madam Chair, we, we have the, by the, we have essentially four resolutions that the board's gonna have to do for 10, 11, 12, and 13. Okay. Can Speaker 0 00:41:11 End 10, 11, 12, and 13. What? Speaker 3 00:41:14 Well, you have numbers 12 and 13 on the agenda coming up. That also Speaker 0 00:41:17 Oh, oh, oh, okay. Okay. I'm saying to the agenda. Okay. I'm sorry if, if the Speaker 3 00:41:20 Board wants to can, we can just adopt all four at the end very quickly. Speaker 0 00:41:24 I, I think that's a good idea. Okay. Speaker 3 00:41:26 Okay. And the record should also reflect Mr. Ahmed came in right before Mr. Mistretta made his presentation. Speaker 0 00:41:32 Okay. So he heard the whole presentation? Yes. Speaker 3 00:41:34 It was appropriate for him to vote. Speaker 0 00:41:36 Okay. So we just finished item, item number 10 so we can move on to item number 11. We Speaker 3 00:41:43 Did 11 also. Madam Chair. Yes. Speaker 1 00:41:45 Number 12. Speaker 3 00:41:47 We're on 12 Speaker 0 00:41:48 Discussion to authorize the foresight planning to prepare an area in need of study. I think that goes back to Mr. Clarkin. Okay. Speaker 3 00:41:58 This, this Madam Chair is just for the board to retain his services in order to allow him to go forward and do an area in need study. This has been referred to us by the council. Speaker 0 00:42:10 Okay. This is, Speaker 8 00:42:11 If I may, Madam chair, this is the Verizon site, you know, Verizon packed up and left on Centennial Avenue. There's a possibility we're trying to attract an AI or a data center at this site. 'cause it has all the power and all the possibly, you know, all the infrastructure there to, to get that or a data center. So we need to see if that's going to jive with the zoning. That's why we're a redevelopment site. Speaker 0 00:42:43 So who's going to, is that all the discussion we need? Well, Speaker 8 00:42:47 Yeah. 'cause it basically, it would be a motion to Okay. Speaker 3 00:42:50 To retain his office. Speaker 0 00:42:52 Okay. Would someone like to pose that motion please? Speaker 11 00:42:55 Madam Chair Dawn Corcoran. I'll make the motion to retain ForSight planning to prepare the area needs study for 39th Bridge Road. Speaker 0 00:43:03 Second. Do I have a second? Speaker 2 00:43:05 Madam Chair? Reverend Kinneally. I'll second that. Speaker 0 00:43:08 Roll call please. Speaker 1 00:43:09 Mayor Wahler? Yes. Councilwoman Cahill? Yes. Ms. Corcoran? Yes. Ms. Saunders? Yes. Reverend Kinneally? Yes. Mr. Atkins? Yes. Mr. Ah. Hammed. Yes. Mr. Aria? Yes. And Madam Chair? Speaker 0 00:43:24 Yes. Okay. Now item number 13. Is this something similar? Speaker 8 00:43:30 Yes. Speaker 3 00:43:31 Chair. Speaker 8 00:43:32 This is another one where we're, we're trying to attract in either an AI or, or a data center at this site. Speaker 0 00:43:39 Okay. Someone pose a motion, please. Yeah. Speaker 7 00:43:43 Madam chair. I'll make that motion. Councilwoman Cahill that we retain foresight Planning to prepare an air in need of study for block 6 7 0 2 lot 3.03. Speaker 0 00:43:56 Do I have a second? Speaker 3 00:43:57 Chairwoman? Speaker 0 00:44:00 Thank you. Roll call please. Speaker 1 00:44:02 Mayor Wahler? Yes. Councilwoman Cahill? Yes. Ms. Corcoran? Yes. Ms. Saunders? Speaker 0 00:44:09 Yes. Speaker 1 00:44:09 Reverend Kinneally? Yes. Mr. Atkins? Yes. Mr. Ahmed? Yes. Mr. Aria? Yes. And Madam Chair? Yes. Speaker 0 00:44:20 Okay. Our, can we memorialize the last four resolutions, please? Okay. Do I need to read the numbers or just the item? Do do 'em singularly so the record will be clear. Speaker 4 00:44:33 Oh, okay. 'cause I didn't get the, Speaker 1 00:44:36 Everything was emailed to you, Carol and mailed out. Oh yeah. But emailed you Speaker 4 00:44:40 Report has been cor corrupted. That's why Speaker 3 00:44:44 Both. Speaker 0 00:44:44 So, so someone tell her, read it to her. So, Speaker 1 00:44:46 So number 10 needs to be adopted. Speaker 3 00:44:48 Okay. So for number 10, it's a resolution recommending an amend, an amendment. Recommended the council adopt an amendment to the non condemnation area. Need of redevelopment, adding that 180 linear feet of South Second Street. Speaker 0 00:45:05 So, do I get a second? Do I need a second? Okay. Roll call. Speaker 1 00:45:10 Mayor Wahler. Yeah. Yes. Councilman McCahill? Yes. Ms. Corcoran? Yes. Ms. Saunders? Yes. Reverend Kinneally? Yes. Mr. Atkins? Yes. Mr. Aria? Yes. And Madam Chair? Yes. Speaker 0 00:45:26 Okay. The next one is Speaker 1 00:45:29 Number 11. The housing element. Speaker 0 00:45:30 The fair housing. Yeah, the Fair Housing. Speaker 3 00:45:33 The next one, I prepared a resolution adopting the housing element and Fair share housing plan prepared by Harbor Consultants. And also recommending the council adopt Sam also. Madam Chair. Speaker 0 00:45:47 Okay. Do I get a second? Well, Speaker 3 00:45:49 You need a first Carol Saunders second. Well, I'm not a get get get a first too. Speaker 1 00:45:52 You need a first. Speaker 0 00:45:53 Oh, did I get a first? Speaker 4 00:45:56 Carol Saunders first. Speaker 0 00:45:57 Okay. Someone else wanna second it please. Speaker 3 00:46:00 Akins will second. Speaker 0 00:46:03 Okay. Roll call. Speaker 1 00:46:04 Mayor Wahler. Yes. Councilwoman Cahill? Yes. Ms. Corcoran? Yes. Ms. Saunders? Yes. Reverend Kinneally? Yes. Mr. Atkins? Yes. Mr. Ahmed? Yes. Mr. Aria? Yes. And Madam Chair? Speaker 0 00:46:19 Yes. Okay. Next one. For number, Speaker 3 00:46:23 For number 12, it's a resolution authorizing and retaining foresight. Planning to prepare an area need of redevelopment study for 30 Kingsbridge Road known as block 6 2 0 1 lot 4.02. Speaker 0 00:46:40 Can I get a motion for that? Please Speaker 2 00:46:43 Move. Madam Chair Speaker 0 00:46:45 Carol. Second. Carol Saer. Second. Carol Saunders Second. Okay. Roll call. Speaker 1 00:46:51 Excuse me. Mayor Wahler? Yes. Councilwoman Cahill? Yes. Ms. Corcoran? Yes. Ms. Saunders? Speaker 0 00:46:58 Yes. Speaker 1 00:46:59 Reverend Kinneally. Yes. Mr. Atkins? Yes. Mr. Hammed? Yes. Mr. Cheveria? Yes. And Madam Chair? Speaker 0 00:47:09 Yes. And finally, number 13 Speaker 3 00:47:13 Is a resolution to retain foresight. Planning to study if block 6, 7 0 3, I'm sorry, oh two lot 3.03, also known as 2 0 1 Centennial Avenue is an area to prepare an area need of redevelopment study. Mad chair. Speaker 0 00:47:32 Okay, would someone pose a motion for the for the resolution? Speaker 2 00:47:37 Kinneally? I'll propose motion for the resolution Speaker 0 00:47:40 To approve. Okay. Do I get a second? Carolers second. Okay. Roll call. Speaker 1 00:47:44 Mayor Wahler. Yes. Councilwoman Cahill? Yes. Ms. Corcoran? Yes. Ms. Saunders? Yes. Reverend Kinneally? Yes. Mr. Atkins? Yes. Mr. Ahmed? Yes. Mr. Aria? Yes. And Madam Chair? Speaker 0 00:48:01 Yes. Okay. I think we have covered our agenda for this evening. Speaker 1 00:48:11 Here we Speaker 0 00:48:11 Go. Alright, our next site plan meeting scheduled for June the 25th and our next planning board meeting scheduled for June 9th. In the meantime, everyone have a Happy Father's Day and as well as a wonderful 4th of July. Bye Speaker 3 00:48:26 Madam Chair. Thank Speaker 1 00:48:27 You. Have a good night. Great day everyone. Thank you. Bye-bye. Good night.