Transcript for Piscataway Planning meeting on September 9 2020

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Speaker 0     00:00:05    Ms. Smith. You're ready to go. It is seven 30.  
Speaker 0     00:00:15    Well, you're echoing. Hi Dennis. Here is Mr. Kelly on the call. Yes, here you are on for brain quarter.  
Speaker 2     00:00:32    We're ready to go. Okay. The Piscataway Township planning board meeting will please come to order. Adequate notice of this meeting was provided in the following ways. Notice published on the, in the courier news notice posted on the bulletin board of the immune. So workbook municipal building notice made available to the township clerk notice sent to the courier news and the star lever ledger, where the clerk please call the roll Mayor.  
Speaker 0     00:01:00    Wahler Councilwoman Cahill. Yeah. Ms. Carfrae. Yes. Ms. Saunders. She's here. Carol's Carol is here. Reverend Kenny here. Mr. Espinosa here. Mr. Foster and Madam chair  
Speaker 2     00:01:36    Here. Well, every month.  
Speaker 0     00:01:41    Yeah, we hear you now, Carol. Thank you. Okay. Sorry about that.  
Speaker 2     00:01:44    Okay. We will now recite the pledge of allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States and to the Republic Under . Mr. Barlow, would you open public meeting notice?  
Speaker 1     00:02:13    Yes. Madam Gerawan. We are conducting this meeting virtually in accordance with the department of community affairs guidelines that were promulgated at the beginning of the pandemic. Adequate notice was given in all the public notices of the zoom conference call in numbers. I believe that we have complied as best we can with the DCA guidelines and the meeting should continue.  
Speaker 0     00:02:42    Madam chair, can the record show, Mr. Foster has joined the meeting. Yes.  
Speaker 2     00:02:50    Will not have sent of the resolution to realize action taking on August 12th, 2020 chairman.  
Speaker 3     00:03:00    I liked him a lawyer lies the actions taken on August 12th meeting for extension of time, but 50 days for 30 regional Paris.  
Speaker 2     00:03:10    Do we have a second  
Speaker 0     00:03:17    Mayor? Wahler yeah. Councilwoman. Cahill. Yeah. Yeah. Ms. Corcoran-Gardella Ms. Saunders, Reverend Kenney. Mr. Espinosa. Yes. And Madam chair.  
Speaker 2     00:03:38    Yes.  
Speaker 3     00:03:41    Madam chair. I like to memorialize the miners study a block of 41 0 2 lock to 1 41 circle drive north.  
Speaker 2     00:03:52    Do we have a second  
Speaker 0     00:04:00    Mayor? Wahler yeah. Councilwoman Cahill. Yeah. Ms. Corcoran. Yeah. Ms. Saunders, Reverend Kenney. Mr. Espinosa. Mr. Espinosa. Sorry. Yes. Thank you. And Madam chair.  
Speaker 2     00:04:27    Yes.  
Speaker 3     00:04:29    I like to moralize minor study for blocks. 51 0 1 lot for 5.02 and 6.02 and 7.02 for south Washington access road.  
Speaker 2     00:04:43    We have a second roll call.  
Speaker 0     00:04:52    Mayor Wahler yeah. Councilwoman Cahill. Yeah. Ms. Corkery. Yeah. Ms. Saunders, wherever and Kenny. Mr. Espinosa. Yes. And Madam chair.  
Speaker 2     00:05:10    Yes. Item number seven. Adoption of the minutes from the regular meeting of all this 12 20 20  
Speaker 3     00:05:19    Madam chair. I liked the more alive the minutes from the regular meeting of August 12th, 2020.  
Speaker 2     00:05:29    Thank you,  
Speaker 0     00:05:31    Mayor. Wahler. Yeah. Councilwoman Cahill. Yeah. Ms. Corporate, Ms. Saunders, Reverend Kenny, Mr. Espinosa. Yes. Mr. Foster. And that I'm chair.  
Speaker 2     00:06:00    Yes. Okay. Leave it on.  I item number eight on, on agenda tonight is eight 19 PV, 34, 19 PB 35 D 17 Plainfield avenue, LLC, which come forward. Mr. Smith,  
Speaker 1     00:06:37    Actually Madam chair there, maybe a little miscommunication there. The thought we had sent him an email over indicating that we needed to ensure in this next meeting. If we haven't, it's a shame on us.  
Speaker 0     00:06:56    We did receive,  
Speaker 1     00:06:58    I think it was received and no further notice will be necessary. If anyone on this zoom call is here for 17 Plainfield avenue. The matter will be carried the October 14th meeting at seven 30 and no further notice will be forthcoming. So baker for 17 Plainfield avenue. That means that's going to be held on October 14.  
Speaker 4     00:07:21    Okay. This is, this is William for Gora. I've been now here for two of these meetings. The last one was postponed. Now this one is postpone. Can I make sure I get the meeting invite sent to me with the dial-in number with the zoom numbers? Okay.  
Speaker 0     00:07:38    They are on our website for the Piscataway Township website two days before the meeting. And you could always call my office.  
Speaker 4     00:07:45    Okay. That's fine. I, I didn't know. There were on the website there that's  
Speaker 0     00:07:49    I don't have the money today. So I put them on Monday for Wednesday's meeting, so they are on the website.  
Speaker 4     00:07:53    Okay. And what's, what's the date of that next meeting again? I'm sorry. 14. All right. Thank you.  
Speaker 0     00:08:00    Welcome.  
Speaker 1     00:08:02    Anyone else? It's October 14th.  
Speaker 2     00:08:06    Okay. Thank you. Item number nine 20 PB zero seven. His products incorporated. Mr. Smith. We're doing your appearance.  
Speaker 1     00:08:19    Madam chair. My name is Bob Smith. I'm like since he turned in the state of New Jersey and I'm here tonight representing the K I S S application kids is an already existing property in Piscataway and already existing business. I believe in the, in the cosmetics business, they've been up and running for good period of time. Their original approvals were part of the Rockefeller group approvals for this area of the town. He actual address is 600 Ridge road building number four, the enjoy the benefit of doing their business and Piscataway their, their CEO and plan to be here. And I've caught the way on travel. And it's Mr. Virgin Kim, and he especially wanted me to pass onto the board, how very pleasant experience and Piscataway has been and how much they've enjoyed having their business here. So what's tonight at tonight's application about nice applications about aesthetics, Mr. Kim bikes, his facility very much. You'd like to dress it up a little bit. And I have with me tonight, one witness witnesses, Vince Kelly, our licensed professional engineer. He's going to give up, that's relatively minor renovation, and we're going to hope for your blessings. So I'd ask that Mr. Kelly be called and sworn so that he can be on the testimony.  
Speaker 3     00:09:58    Mr. Kelly, can you please raise your right hand? Do you swear that the testimony you're about to give will be the truth and nothing but the truth? Can you please state and spell your name for the record  
Speaker 5     00:10:10    And Kelly? V I N C E N T K E L L Y.  
Speaker 1     00:10:20    And Saunders before Mr. Smith continues. I believe we should swear in the board's witness experts just in case. They're going to comment.  
Speaker 3     00:10:31    Alright. Can you please raise your right hand? Do you swear that the testimony you're about to give will be the truth and nothing but the truth? Yes, I do. Thank you.  
Speaker 1     00:10:45    All right. If it's appropriate, the Madam chair out moved forward by whom are you employed and in what capacity By whom are you employed and in what capacity  
Speaker 5     00:11:00    Civil engineer for major consultants.  
Speaker 1     00:11:04    Now, you haven't been basically admitted by this Ford as a PE. So I'd ask that you give them the benefit, the short benefit of your credentials.  
Speaker 5     00:11:15    Sure. I graduated from ninja and see a little engineer, a bachelor's degree, and 2011, got my license earlier this year in January, 2020 for the New Jersey.  
Speaker 1     00:11:34    Hey, and for the record, a Madam chair, or you have the wonderful opportunity to witness Mr. Kelly in his main voyage as an engineer in New Jersey, I asked, could he be accepted as a licensed bee,  
Speaker 2     00:11:57    Mr. Kelly, this is your first time before us. And we welcome you to this field. We will allow you to testify at this point, recognizing that your credentials are newly received and the word will scrutinize them and your testimony as appropriate.  
Speaker 5     00:12:16    I do.  
Speaker 1     00:12:17    Alright. Most importantly, Mr. Kelly, you prepared this application fee the plan that's before the boy, correct?  
Speaker 5     00:12:24    Correct. So you're thoroughly  
Speaker 1     00:12:25    Familiar with it. If you wouldn't mind describe the facility that we now have, what we want to do to it.  
Speaker 5     00:12:35    Sure. As Bob indicated that a project is located six month period road block 35 road two by 6.02, known as building number Forbes within Rockefeller logistics car previously granted approval in front of the board. Back in March of 2018, the plans were previously prepared by Lang in and hearing what the applicant would like to do, which is visually enhanced. The main entrance to the site. This will be done, you know, with the removal of the sidewalks, along the building, along with some materials and parking along the building and some space and parking within the immediate parking lot, across the, the main way we would like to replace it with a grain of favors and Lawrence from the landscaping islands and provide a decorative landscaping favor within the parking lot. With, again, with a grant of favor, as an outer ring, a decorative tree within the middle, and then provide grass cover along there.  
Speaker 5     00:13:56    And the entire, the servants, even within an entirety of disturbance, 23 parking spaces will, will be removed within the front. Three of them will be added back with the reconfiguration of the landscaping islands. And 20 spaces will be relocated in the rear of the building that will be restrained over existing trailer parking spaces that are firmly being underutilized. Therefore it will not interfere with any current building operations. So, you know, I'm not saying nothing for today's use will be different, you know, after the, that, that Bob mentioned, you know, we're, this is a minor site plan since the only it was since we're approximately 3,000 square feet. And then with the proposed improvements, we're going to be recusing impervious about 880 bottles work.  
Speaker 1     00:15:04    And this was done for the purpose of aesthetics. Right. That is correct. And in your opinion, is it going to look a lot better? Okay. Madam chairman, if it's okay. Can we respond to your professionals reports? All right. Mr. Kelly received a report from the Piscataway, from the division of engineering and planning and development. It's August the 26th, 2020 signed by Mr. Hinterstein Nina's four comments. The first one is the payment details at a minimum three re revised revised to match township specifications for all parking lots and paved areas within this site. And how do you respond to that?  
Speaker 1     00:15:50    Okay. Number two, the shade trees being removed from the parking lot are required as per ordinance. It cannot be eliminated and replacements, evergreen Trubs and evergreen trees. There was also some concern with the evergreen trees being planted in the parking lot islands due to their habit and visibility concerns they may create. And it's also related to item number three, the applicant should look at redesigning the parking lot at the entrance building. So as to accommodate the required shade, ornamental trades, or re relocating them to newly create new islands within the parking lot, the proposed Dogwood plan, things are acceptable and shades replacements shown both in these comments have been discussed with Mr. Hinterstein, as I understand it, that we have an understanding and agreement with him about how this should be accomplished. Is that true? All right. So I'm Matt, Madam chair and members. We just appreciate you. If you are kind enough to grant our approval, it just simply indicate that item two and three will be worked out with Mr. Hinterstein and that we will do what he tells us to do.  
Speaker 1     00:17:06    Item four, its documents required to be submitted. I would note for the record that the application has already seen the scene, Middlesex county planning, planning board, I believe exemption or waiver, or we have, if we have the equivalent of the approval from the county, the second report is a one dated August the 20th, 2020 it's by CME associates, and specifically written by Mr. Gottlieb, Mr. Kelly, have you had an opportunity to review that report? Yes, I have. Okay. I direct your attention to a page three of that report, which has a list of planning comments. And with the board's permission, we'll respond to those planning comments, item five, a testimony should be provided regarding conformance with the previous site plan, subdivision planning requirements and any applicable requirements from the redevelopment plan. Is it true Mr. Kelly, that we are consistent with and conform to the redevelopment approval, the redevelopment plan on the prior approvals? Right. All right. Item may test on each, read-write it regarding the status of each complaint about criminal designation or concern note noted by the New Jersey environmental management system and Mr. Kelly, again, I asked you, are we in conformity with the N J E M S system?  
Speaker 5     00:18:42    Yeah. So as far as I'm aware that there is no environmental or NJ EMS concerned that the cell,  
Speaker 1     00:18:49    Right. I remind everybody is an already built site items, C five six, somebody should be provided regarding the function and operations of the proposed modified parking area. I think you've already done that in your direct testimony, namely that the operational basically be in the same operation and there that there are no created circulation problems or arche issues rated by the application. Is that correct? That is correct. All right. Item D the applicant should provide testimony regarding the use adequacy and safety of the parking stalls relocated from the former voting area. So, but if you would respond to that place.  
Speaker 5     00:19:31    Sure. So the parking stall is there actually a knocking relocated to the, the truck loading area that's along the Philbin, it's the trailer it's parking spaces that are opposite of the loading area. Now it's our understanding that this parking areas very under utilized and, you know, it's, it's kinda just there not taking up any space or anything. So, you know, to comply with the previously approved site plan, where relocating to the point of store that we are removing back in this area.  
Speaker 1     00:20:10    So, which leads to, I believe not E item, meeting testimony, each room provided regarding the impact, the elimination of the truck loading area will have on the operation of the facility. Is there any impact,  
Speaker 5     00:20:27    There will be no impact to the truck loading area at all. I just want to go back to it's because there was a portion of it that I didn't touch on was the safety aspect. There is multiple doors in the back of the building for where the stones are relocated, so they can park and then enter the building via the back and instead of walking up and around, but the block, the main entrance to the cell.  
Speaker 1     00:20:52    All right. And I think we're now at F it is recommended that the excess pavement within the converted loading area be removed and curbing should be installed. Would you respond to that?  
Speaker 5     00:21:10    Yes, we, we do not feel that it's necessary to remove the empire pavement section itself, feel that the relocate install has, can be done with just striping and everything. And we were to provide, you know, curving and removal pavement that would provide more disturbance and we would have to do then be considered a, not a minor application. I believe we would be considered a major application. So it changed the whole face of, you know, what we're trying to do, saying that, Hey, it's very minimal what the site improvements where we'd like to do. As I said before, the truck parking areas are not utilized. Therefore there shouldn't be any  
Speaker 1     00:22:02    Right. There's no need for curves.  
Speaker 5     00:22:05    There's no need for her to feel that just to be striping, ed role will be sufficient.  
Speaker 1     00:22:10    All right. Item G we deferred to the township landscape architect for the determination of the adequacy of any landscaping and lighting improvements. We've already agreed Madam chairman to be bound by his direction. Then we think we already have an agreement with them about what those modifications should be. H we defer to the board engineer regarding any necessary grading, utility and stormwater improvements. Are we aware of any, anything in that category for Kelly now? Okay. And then pros or letters of no jurisdiction. And of course, as we know, scattered away, soil erosion and sediment control is as is under the jurisdiction of Piscataway Township. We are our own soil erosion and sediment control agency. And the only other agency that we believe there has jurisdiction on this is the county planning board and they've already granted them approval. Is there anything else you want to say, Mr. Kelly? No. Okay. Mr. Kelly's available for questions  
Speaker 2     00:23:15    And it's the guy. Yes. Thank you. Mr. Kelly, Mr. Smith, like just had a couple of questions for you in regards to apologies for calling it a, a load area. I did realize that those were trailer parking areas. Is that going to have any impact on the need for additional a trailer parking at any time in the future, you know, with these parking stalls being there?  
Speaker 5     00:23:52    Not, not that we're aware of existing operations, isn't going to expand at this time for, you know, in the known future that I know. And when speaking with the applicant that parking spaces for the trailers are not utilized or not used at the time. So relocating the stalls to, you know, pavement that shifts not being used, isn't really that big of an issue.  
Speaker 2     00:24:25    Okay. I mean, I was, I, I have visited the site and you notice that the parking, the, the automobile parking areas and really that full, I mean, I was there later in the day, but the reason that you relocated this, the automobile parking stalls over there is you didn't want to request the variance. Okay. Because, you know, with the parking lot stays at the car levels, you're really not going to meet those parking stalls.  
Speaker 5     00:25:06    I agree when I was on-site, you know, the parking area, the parking lot in front of the buildings, we're not at max capacity, but to comply with the previously approved plan. And I requested variance, we relocate the installer in the real,  
Speaker 2     00:25:25    Okay. Just one last thing. And this is more to your client, Mr. Smith. Now, you know, in visiting the site, I'm sure that when you install this landscape enhancement and enhancements to the site, that they'll spruce up the rest of the site. So a lot of weeds in the mulched areas and some dead plant material, I mean, just put it this way and resigned the case. Yeah. I'm just letting my landscape architect come through. Thank you very much. Any comments from any of the other members of the board? Have any comments hearing no comments? What I can hear him. I, listen, we need to open to the public.  
Speaker 3     00:26:26    I'm sorry. Madam chair. I apologize. I was double muted if I may, this Councilwoman Cahill  
Speaker 2     00:26:33    On.  
Speaker 3     00:26:35    Okay. So if I may, you know, thank you Mr. Kelly, for your testimony, with regard to the agreement that your client's going to follow the recommendation of Ms. Mr. Hinterstein with the replacement of those shade trees. I think you mentioned, or maybe Mr. Smith mentioned that you're close to an agreement. So do we know where those trees are going to be placed yet?  
Speaker 5     00:27:13    Not, not entirely. We haven't. We just, I just spoke with him yesterday. So we haven't got a chance to, to update the plans yet, but the, the trees at the corners of the, the landscape island in the center of the parking spaces, those will be removed with the evergreen shrub. And then we will replace,  
Speaker 3     00:27:39    You mean, nobody replaced with evergreen shrub or  
Speaker 5     00:27:43    There will be so on our plans, we currently show evergreen where we will be holding back a shade trees and  
Speaker 3     00:27:52    Okay. Right. Because he recommends it not to replace it. Okay. And then you work, I'm just, just wondering if his recommendation is to put the shade trees that you do need to replace. Will they be put in other areas of the parking lot  
Speaker 5     00:28:17    That they will not be in other areas of the parking lot? Because if we did that, we would have to remove more parking spaces and therefore either relocate more or ask for a variance. So it would be within the landscape island, the currently proposed.  
Speaker 3     00:28:37    Okay. Mr. Kenney, thank you very much.  
Speaker 6     00:28:40    Hi, Gabrielle. This is Don Clark and I'm sorry, how many did the staff report? No problem at the end of the day. And he did confirm that they were close working this out. And I believe that a landscape architect from your firm may have even called Henry late in the day. And I believe Henry just couldn't even get, he just couldn't get back to them. So Henry was pretty confident that they could work out those three items in that report.  
Speaker 5     00:29:07    And we can put that as a condition of approval that it has to be  
Speaker 2     00:29:11    Beads satisfaction. Okay. That's good. We're  
Speaker 5     00:29:15    Happy to comply with that condition,  
Speaker 3     00:29:17    Right?  
Speaker 2     00:29:20    If there's no more questions from the board can be now open into the problem with Dawn. I mean, Laura, would you look and say, if there's any feedback from the public,  
Speaker 0     00:29:33    No one is raising their hands and Madam chair,  
Speaker 2     00:29:37    No response from the public was now close to the public. Well, now entertain a motion for board with Nathan  
Speaker 6     00:29:55    Madam chair, doing core grand. I'd like to make a motion that we approve. The application is subject to the staff report prepared by Mr. Hinterstein and subject to, to see a meeting flirt. And as Mr. Barlow stated, you know, there would be a condition in the resolution that they would, you know, how they come to some sort of agreement with regards to the location and type of CDs or the lamp.  
Speaker 2     00:30:20    Okay. Do I have a second? I sent you before we take the vote. I believe Mr. Espinosa left because he was sick. We still have a corner. I think in, I still have seven. Okay, fine. I'm back on the majority of the side can know Alex. Who's my sister seen Mr. Espinosa. Thank you. Roll call please.  
Speaker 0     00:30:49    Mayor Wahler Councilwoman Cahill  
Speaker 2     00:31:01    Down. So she actually muted.  
Speaker 0     00:31:03    So Ms. Corcoran. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. I double needed again, this core group, Ms. Saunders. Remember Kenny, Mr. Espinosa. You have to stain Mr. Foster and Madam chair.  
Speaker 2     00:31:27    Yes. Thank you. Madam chair and members have a great evening. Okay. I am number 10 20 P Lee, zero four, Piscataway Centennial developers, LLC. Mr. Ken, please come forward into your parents.  
Speaker 1     00:32:00    Sorry about that. I'm having a little bit of problem with the zoom  
Speaker 2     00:32:08    Standable and,  
Speaker 1     00:32:10    And I don't seem to be getting video. Oh, there we go. Okay. Maybe now, maybe it doesn't seem to be going, let me not hold up the board. My name is Carl  I'm counsel for Piscataway Centennial. The subject property is 88 Centennial at river road, and we're here tonight on a site plan and minor subdivision. What we proposed was develop a Wawa with fuels and a Hyatt hotel. I would like to thank your staff for a lot of responsiveness and assistance in what's been a lengthy process unless the board has any questions. I would move directly to my four professional witnesses that I wouldn't tend to put on tonight to have them sworn and qualified.  
Speaker 2     00:33:05    You may proceed.  
Speaker 1     00:33:07    Okay. My first witness is Matt shero, who will be testifying as to engineering. Matt, are you with us?  
Speaker 8     00:33:17    All right. I'm here. Good evening, everybody  
Speaker 2     00:33:23    I'll swear them in individually.  
Speaker 3     00:33:27    Can you, can you raise your right hand wet at the testimony about the game we, the truth and nothing but the truth. I do you please state and spell your name for the record.  
Speaker 8     00:33:38    Sure. It's Matthew Sharrow S H a R L.  
Speaker 0     00:33:44    Excuse me. Ma'am the chair. Did we have a court stenographer this evening?  
Speaker 1     00:33:50    Yes, we do. You'll see a block for Lisa Bradley. She's my court reporter.  
Speaker 0     00:33:55    Thank you so much.  
Speaker 1     00:33:56    Sorry. Now not a problem. I believe Matt has as testified recently before the board, would you, would the board prefer that I have gone through his credentials? Yes,  
Speaker 2     00:34:09    Please.  
Speaker 1     00:34:11    Okay, Matt, I, you know, the drill academic work experience and licensure credentials to, to qualify as an expert in engineering. Sure.  
Speaker 8     00:34:22    I'm a, I have a bachelor's in science and civil engineering from the university of Hartford. I've been a professional engineer in the state of New Jersey since 2016 and a professional planner since 2017, I have testified throughout New Jersey, but I would say probably the closest to this area of east southbound Brook Bridgewater, north Brunswick, east Brunswick, Centerville, Franklin, quite a few areas around surrounding your municipality  
Speaker 2     00:34:50    Credentials. Acceptable. Thank you.  
Speaker 1     00:34:52    Okay, thanks. Thank you. Madam chair, Matt, why don't you review the, the plan for the board? Sure.  
Speaker 8     00:35:00    What do you want to, do you want to get a real thing now? Or do you want to just start getting rid of the testimony?  
Speaker 1     00:35:06    I would say get everybody else and let's have them available for the board. Okay.  
Speaker 2     00:35:11    Then who's the next one?  
Speaker 1     00:35:14    The next one would be Nick better. AC who is traffic  
Speaker 2     00:35:21    Ms. Sanders with,  
Speaker 3     00:35:23    Okay. Nick, can you raise your right hand please? Yes. These youth, wherever the testimony about to give will be truth and nothing but the truth. Yes, I do. Can you please state and spell your last name? Nicholas  
Speaker 9     00:35:37    Verdery. C V R D E R E S E.  
Speaker 3     00:35:43    Thank you. You're welcome.  
Speaker 1     00:35:46    That comes, sorry. I always missed that first R okay. Okay. Can you give the board your professional quality vacations for the purpose of testifying as an expert in traffic?  
Speaker 9     00:35:58    Yes. I have a bachelor of science degree in civil engineering from Rutgers university in 1990. I'm a licensed professional engineer in the state of New Jersey of the Institute of transportation engineers. I'm a principal founder at dynamic traffic located in like, come on New Jersey. I have appeared here in Piscataway in the past. It's been a number of years, but I've appeared at probably 250 different municipalities throughout the state of New Jersey  
Speaker 1     00:36:25    Proposed Mr. Verdery, see for a qualification as a traffic. Excellent Britain. He's, he's qualified to be an expert. Thank you. Thank you. Ma'am next would be Ben Horton for architecture.  
Speaker 3     00:36:41    Okay. Ben, can you please raise your right hand, these limits testimony about the game we, the truth and nothing but the truth?  
Speaker 5     00:36:49    Yes, I do.  
Speaker 3     00:36:50    Please state and spell your name for the record.  
Speaker 5     00:36:53    My name is Benjamin Horton, B E N J a M I N H O R T N with 10 architecture and design. My office is located at three to 12 state, route 10 in Randolph, New Jersey.  
Speaker 1     00:37:13    And then please read it. You'll your credentials for purposes of qualification?  
Speaker 5     00:37:19    Sure. I received my bachelor of fine arts degree at Carnegie Mellon university. And I received my master of architecture degree at Yale university. I've I have approximately 27 plus years of experience in the field of architecture. I'm licensed, licensed in New Jersey, New York, Pennsylvania, and numerous other states throughout the country. I've testified in multiple accounts of drought in New Jersey off the top of my head. I did projects in Piscataway, but I don't recall if I actually testified in front of this board.  
Speaker 1     00:37:55    And they said, this is a credential is acceptable. Thank you. Ma'am. And lastly, John McDonogh as our professional planner,  
Speaker 3     00:38:06    John, can you please raise your right hand? Do you swear that the testimony about the good with the truth and nothing but the truth? Yes, I do. Can you please say and spell your name for the record?  
Speaker 10    00:38:17    Sure. Hi everyone. My name is John McDonogh. It's spelled M C capital D O N O U G  
Speaker 3     00:38:22    H. Thank you,  
Speaker 1     00:38:26    John, please review your professional credentials for the board for purpose of qualification.  
Speaker 10    00:38:33    So I am a licensed planner here in the state of New Jersey. I am also a member of the American Institute of certified planners, which is our national certification. I testify on a nightly basis across the state, and I I've been accepted by both boards here in Piscataway in the past. And I also am a licensed landscape architectural, although that's not really my role in this particular case to see  
Speaker 1     00:39:00    Proposed, Ms. Family found a four row acceptance as a professional planner is acceptable.  
Speaker 10    00:39:09    Thank you.  
Speaker 1     00:39:12    Unless the board has comments or questions at this point, I would return to Matt shero and ask him to review the plan for the bull as far as engine and, and considerations that  
Speaker 8     00:39:27    Thank you, Mr. Kev. I'd like to share my screen to present my first exhibit. We'll be all. Can see it. It's the, it's an air exhibit. Can I call it a one? Mr. Chaill  
Speaker 1     00:39:47    The, the documents that you're going to be sharing, are they just part of the plans that are part of this application or they exhibits that you made just for this application?  
Speaker 8     00:39:59    They are, it's a little bit of mixed there's one exhibit that there's one exhibit that was made for this application. They've all been submitted to Laura, Laura and had been on file.  
Speaker 1     00:40:13    Okay. The documents that were part of the application don't need to be marked as exhibits. If you can just tell us what plan you're referring to when you get to the one, that's not part of the application, we'll mark that as a one.  
Speaker 8     00:40:28    Okay. You got it. So this is an aerial exhibit. This was actually sheet two of your site claim package that shows an aerial image of the site located in the center of the page. The site is known as blocks 6, 7 0 3 lot eight it's 88 Centennial avenue is that the Northeast corner of the intersection of SA river road and Centennial avenue for purposes of this exhibit, as you're looking at it, I will refer to south as the top of the screen. The overall property is about five acres seen here in the white outline to the north of the property is in Samuel avenue with office uses beyond to the, to the east of the property is office and industrial uses to the south of the property is in a residential uses with nether would Ave beyond and to the west of the property is river road with vacant wooded land beyond, and one residential dwelling at the Southern tip of our frontage.  
Speaker 8     00:41:45    Currently the access to the site is via right in, right out only driveway on river road and a right in right out only driveway on Centennial avenue. The zoning is within the new redevelopment plan called the 88 Centennial avenue. And the underlining zoning is the  light industrial zone. This will be a, an exhibit, a one entitled site plan rendering prepared by dynamic engineering dated nine nine, 2020. This is basically a proposed or this is that basically sheet for the site plan set, except it includes some colorized, landscaping and roadways and lawn and buildings to make the image pop ever reviewing at home.  
Speaker 8     00:42:41    So this is the proposed project here again, Southwest at the top of the computer top of the screen, I'll advise we are proposing two uses tonight. First use would be the Wawa convenience store and fueling station. The second use would be the hotel at the Southeast corner of the property. The as mentioned before the Hyatt hotel, excuse me, we are also proposing a subdivision line. I'm not sure. Can you guys see my, my cursor as I point to things on the screen? Yes. Okay. So, so we are proposing a subdivision of this lot this evening as well to separate the two uses. So this subdivision will basically follow my car. So there's a black line along the screen that goes from river road eastbound, and then turns, it goes north towards Centennial avenue. So each prop each use will have their own property.  
Speaker 8     00:43:39    The Wawa property will be approximately 2.04 acres and the hotel property will be approximately 2.95 acres. The wildlife consists of a 500 or 5,585 square foot convenience store, as well as a canopy and the light orange that houses eight MPDs or 16 feeling positions. The hotel we're proposing tonight is a four story hotel as 121 rooms and an outdoor patio area access to the site. The river road will be a right in, right out similar to the existing access to the site that accesses the hotel lot. And then we'll also have a right in right out and a left in off Centennial avenue. So that's a little different than what's existing. Today. We are proposing a left turn lane within the existing existing medium along Centennial avenue. So allow vehicles traveling westbound on Centennial avenue to enter the site as mentioned this same, same access points, same access to access points to the site. As before drive Isles through the site are located around the buildings around the canopy and around the hotel. The minimum drive out with is 25 feet, which meets your ordinance. We do have a little oversized drive aisles around the Wawa on the run around the Wawa canopy to promote safe access for the vehicles as they're fueling and, you know, getting around the wildlife facility.  
Speaker 8     00:45:26    As far as parking goes for the Wawa, we are proposing 47 parking spaces, which meets your, the redevelopment plan of those 47 parking spaces. Two of them are air stalls located at the Northwest corner of the, of the parking lot. One of those aerosols is actually ADA compliant. It's the air star air stalls are, are free air. So you don't have to have porters with you when you go to get air. And then adjacent to the air stalls are two charging stations, which are required by the redevelopment plan. One of the things that Wawa has been doing, I'm not sure if you've, you've noticed as you've traveled around New Jersey is they are starting to include Tesla parking charging stations within their sites. So while I would like to do here, and this is a new exhibit, I'll call it exhibit a two. This is the Tesla car charging station exhibit.  
Speaker 8     00:46:31    This was also submitted and is on file at the office dated nine, nine, 2020 prepared by dynamic engineering. So what Tesla would like to do, and why would like to do is include eight parking. Let me zoom in a little bit, eight parking eight charging stations for Tesla. Two of them will be dedicated to electric parking only similar to what your ordinance required, but then there'll be six additional spaces. They don't certainly have to be used for Tesla parking or charging, but they will be available for Tesla charging and parking. And the space on the west side is ADA compliant.  
Speaker 1     00:47:17    It's a shorter, just to be clear, is it the two plus eight for Tesla or a total?  
Speaker 8     00:47:23    A total of eight. So it will be two dedicated just for electric and there'll be signed just for electric charging and then there'll be six additional spaces that could be used for regular parking or charging parking.  
Speaker 2     00:47:38    Madam chair. Yes. May I ask a question regarding these electric charging stalls? I think this is Tesla.  
Speaker 8     00:47:52    It'll just be for Tesla. Yes.  
Speaker 2     00:47:54    Okay. Other electric vehicle can charge  
Speaker 8     00:47:57    Here. No.  
Speaker 2     00:48:02    You mean in those two spaces, no other escape can charge within those two.  
Speaker 8     00:48:08    No. So these will be dedicated just for Tesla, just for electric parking part of the ordinance. And then the other six can be used for any, any parking or a Tesla charging. So all eight will be Tesla. Two of them will be dedicated and six will be for use for parking or charging,  
Speaker 1     00:48:30    But  
Speaker 2     00:48:31    Your Toyota Prius cannot  
Speaker 8     00:48:32    Charge here. The Toyota Prius can actually, so that as part of the application, the hotel has two electric charging stations as well at the Southeast corner of the parking for the hotel.  
Speaker 1     00:48:49    So the, the two dedicated at the Wawa for electric or dedicated for Tesla.  
Speaker 8     00:48:55    Yes.  
Speaker 1     00:48:58    So it doesn't actually comply with the ordinance  
Speaker 8     00:49:03    And we were just, we needed to provide two electric charging stations.  
Speaker 3     00:49:08    I can't be exclusive to Tesla, excuse me, I'm sorry. Councilwoman Cahill. Or it means that it wouldn't, it, it, I mean, I don't think our ordinance specified anything about providing those charging stations, but that can be exclusive. They, there, they should be open at any electric car. If I'm not mistaken, I'll let the attorney that stuff.  
Speaker 1     00:49:40    I mean, Elon Musk has to share. I mean, Steve can speak to it also, but I, I think the purpose is to encourage the use of electric cars, not the use of a certain kind of electric car and pointing out that there's two on what you hope to be a separate piece of property for the hotel with 120 rooms that if they are being used, that you can only have a Tesla at the Walmart. You may need to rethink that for the applicant.  
Speaker 8     00:50:19    That's fine. This is, this is just something Wawa is doing. We can, we can definitely go back to just two electric charging stations as proposed in the original application. Those are just something that while I was looking at for future sites,  
Speaker 1     00:50:38    I don't think anyone's telling you, you can't have an extra spots that may be sued for Tesla. I just think what's, what's giving us pause is I don't think anyone's ever suggested to only have one make the model. So if you wanted to general electric and I honestly don't know the engineering behind it in terms of is the charging capacity different, or the plug is different, but if you want to have two electric, generic ones and the other six or Tesla people, if they happen to be there or that, then I don't think that would cause any issues.  
Speaker 8     00:51:17    That's fair. That's a fair, that's a fair approval there with two general ones and six additional ones for Tesla.  
Speaker 1     00:51:25    I mean, it's up to the board, but I would just think that the two that you have to provide should be open to all.  
Speaker 3     00:51:31    Well, I mean, I Councilwoman Cahill, it sounds like to me and correct me if I'm wrong, that the, maybe this new sort of pilot project with Wawa is sort of about a partnership in which there might be quote unquote advertising visit, you know, extra dollars for them to be the blade Teflon. Did that sound like that could be what they're spending.  
Speaker 8     00:52:03    I don't get involved in that end, but that sounds sounds like it could be, you could be in the right direction there  
Speaker 6     00:52:12     I just wanted to say, I agree with Mr. Barlow. There's certainly no, you know, as long as they meet the ordinance requirements and if, if you want to go back and designate certain areas, you know, that exceed the requirement for, by all means I'll speak on behalf of the staff. We would be comfortable with that.  
Speaker 8     00:52:32    Okay. That's fair that, that, you know, I was just, we were just putting it out there and that's, that's fair. We understand. And we will dedicate the two to general charging. And then if Tesla wants the additional six, then they can come back and get the additional six.  
Speaker 2     00:52:51    Okay. Okay. I think he can proceed then. All  
Speaker 8     00:52:54    Right. Thank you very much for the time.  
Speaker 1     00:52:58    I think he has more to go. Madam chair. No  
Speaker 2     00:53:01    I'm saying we can take it up later if I'm on the park.  
Speaker 8     00:53:05    So, so moving on to the hotel parking, the hotel has 120 rooms requiring 120 spaces. We have 123 based on this plan in front of you. However, in working with Ms. Dolan, you're a traffic engineer. One of her comments, I believe SP four and S P where in relation to the, the access on river road and the five stalls located along that access, there was some concern there. So we worked Nick Theresa and I worked with Ms. Dolan to come up with a new plan. This was also submitted, and I will call this exhibit a three. This was submitted to your office 14 days ago and has been on file. This is parking modification, exhibit dated. I don't know. I have a date on here, 7 29, 2020 prepared by dynamic engineering. So basically what we did here per direction from the stolen was we channelized this driveway coming in a little bit better.  
Speaker 8     00:54:10    We added some striping between the two lanes. Now, prior, there was no striping and this will help vehicles kind of stay on track to get to the enter and exit points of the, of the driveway. And also for the parking stall for parking lots to the rear of the building, we kind of teed the drive, the access point in a little bit better before it was kind of very wide open and not, not very channelized throughout here. So working with Betsy, we are Ms. Dolan. We, we, we figured out a nice way to do this. And then the positive part I think is that we remove those five parking spaces that were located along the drive aisle. And we were able to, to have three added to here, two added to here, and one added to the rear parking spaces. So now we have a total of 121 space of still meet your ordinance.  
Speaker 8     00:55:03    And again, going back to exhibit a one, we have the electric charging stations located for the hotel at the Southeast corner of the parking lot, close to the entrance to the hotel. Okay. So all said and done about the parking. We meet all the requirements for parking, including the quantity, the size location, as well as your electric charging installs overall, the layout meets every bulk requirement set up in within the redevelopment plan, which is a big positive. One of the questions from, I believe your planner was to run through the existing and proposed easements onsite. And I will, I'll do this real quick. There are quite a few. So bear with me. There was an existing storm water easement, 25 foot storm water easement along the south property line between the hotel and the residential uses that there is no impact to that easement. There is to eat.  
Speaker 8     00:56:09    There are two easements running along river road. The first one it varies in with is a temporary construction easement that has no impact on this development. And then the second one is a roadway easement along bearing with Rosewood and roadway easement along river road. Again, no impact to the developmental. The last existing easement is along Centennial avenue. It's a Senate 20 foot sanitary that runs along the whole length of Centennial avenue that has no impact to the development. And the development has no impact on it. We are posing a 12 foot right away, dedicated right-away easement along Centennial avenue. It was a comment from, I believe both Mr. Henson Hinterstein and interesting, and, and the planner to make this right of way 102 feet for the master plan. So we will be providing that 12 foot dedicate dedicated easement. Then Mr. Hinterstein also recommended two easements along Centennial avenue.  
Speaker 8     00:57:18    The first would be a temporary construction easement that would run along the whole length of Centennial avenue. And the second would be an easement that would include this multi-access path that you see in gray along Centennial avenue that is proposed. Both of those don't have any impact on the development and the development has no impact on them. So I appreciate you. You're working with me on that one. I know there's quite a few reasons there. Moving on to lighting the lighting throughout the site is, is safe, sufficient lighting the rear parking lot, all the parking and drive aisles throughout the, throughout the site to provide safe access around the site and security around the site. All lighting is led lighting and the lighting is proposed through area lights, wall-mounted lights and canopy lights, the canopy.  
Speaker 8     00:58:15    I'm not sure if I mentioned this, but all lights are that high energy efficient led lights landscaping. So there's quite a few trees we've added here, 1,356, new trees, new trees and shrubs. So basically the, the landscaping plan here was to maintain a nice streetscape along river road, as well as Centennial avenue with some street trees and shrubs, and then some local massing along this open green space to kind of break it up. As you can see in the lavender purple colors here, we've also supplemented the existing buffer to the south property line along the residential properties. There's existing trees there, but we've added some evergreens and some other deciduous trees along there to, to extend that buffer to those residential uses as well as to the use to the east. All, you know, all the islands internal to this site are all landscaped with trees and shrubs and ground cover, as well as corners of the Wawa. Parking around the building,  
Speaker 1     00:59:28    Mr. Hinterstein report has a number of items related to either different varieties of trees, things of that nature. The applicant is willing to comply with all of his,  
Speaker 8     00:59:40    The recommendations. Of course. Yes, that was, that was my next note here to have you read through all of them  so we meet all the landscapers departments for the redevelopment plan and then aligning zone.  
Speaker 6     00:59:58    Mr. Shero, if I may Dawn Corcoran, just before we move on from the staff report, can you just confirm for the record that you will be responsible for the construction of that multi-use multi-use path that will be along Centennial avenue  
Speaker 8     01:00:14    Where you will be responsible for that? Yes.  
Speaker 6     01:00:17    Excellent. Thank you.  
Speaker 8     01:00:23    Moving on to stormwater, and I'm not going to bore you with the details on here, but basically we're maintaining existing storm water feature, existing storm water patterns by including a underground detention system within the parking lot, which will discharged storm water at a controlled rates to meet the New Jersey state requirements, as well as Piscataway requirements, we will also be implementing a water quality unit to remove 88% of the TSS, which is required by the state and Piscataway today. There is, there is no waterfall unit for the parking lot. That's that's there today. So all that, that parking lot drains to the systems. So that's a huge plus with this, with this application, let me get into signing signage, sorry. There's a few signs located throughout the site. I'll start with the two ID signs, one each located at the end access points to the site, our monument style signs with the Wawa logo and pricing and top, and the hotel logo on the bottom.  
Speaker 8     01:01:39    One is located here along Centennial avenue. And one is located here along the river road. The hotel, the hotel has two signs, one along the front facing Centennial, and one along river road facing river road de Wila has two signs on the building. This is a dual entrance building, so there's a front entrance and a rear entrance. Both of them have signage above them. And I'll get into that in a second with the architecture architectural review. And then the canopy has the signage at the corner along the canopy facade and the canopy Spanish signs underneath the canopy. It's very similar to the two other wild laws. I guess one was recently approved. The other one was constructed within town.  
Speaker 8     01:02:33    There is no directional signs at this time. I believe there was a comment about if they were going to be proposed. There is no proposed directional signs at the entrances or internally to the, to the site. If the board feels that one is needed or, or some are needed, then we can, you know, work definitely work with a planner and engineer to, to make that happen. We do have, it's important to know we do have no variances for this project for signage and the applicant is willing to pursue the Wayfinder fender. Find her signage from 2 87 to get to this site, like to move on to the architecture now to get a better visual of those signs I was discussing. So for the Wawa and all that Mr. Horton handled the hotel signage operations, as soon as I'm done. So I'll just stick with the Wawa stuff for now. The Wawa as mentioned, it's a 5,580 square foot building has the tan EFS facade at the upper end of the, the building with that stone veneer along the lower park portion of the building that front sign. This is the top right corner of the exhibit.  
Speaker 8     01:03:53    It has, that has that front, the front show in there with the canopy along the front to protect people, the center tower element with your wild wall sign on the front. The rear entrance, as I noted before, is the middle image on the left side. So as you can see, there is a door to the public with a wildlife sign there as well on the Southeast elevation is your loading zone. So you have your access to the roof. The roof does have a parapet protect and screen the mechanicals on top of the roof. As you can tell on, on this, I'm not sure if you can tell from, from home, but on the exhibits, we do show the locations of those encounters.  
Speaker 8     01:04:36    And then on the other side, facing Centennial avenue, you have these nice windows again with the parapet and that stone veneer wrapping the whole building on, as far as operations go for to Wawa, I'll start with deliveries. There's four deliveries to the Wawa. They happen along the Southeast elevation or between the hotel and the Wawa and this yellow hatched area on exhibit a one. Those, those include fresh groceries, which happened four to five times a week, dairy products that happened three times a week vendors, which, you know, your Cokes or newspapers, your soft drinks, et cetera, they'd come in box trucks. So they can either use this loading zone or use an empty parking space if they feel, and that comes six times a week. And then you have your baked goods fresh daily. And that again, uses this loading zone.  
Speaker 8     01:05:40    Operational hours of the Wawa is a 24 hour, seven days a week use with about 40 to 50 employees overall with a max shift of 12 to 13 employees. And that includes the convenience store and the fuel trash for the Wawa, which is located to the Northeast of the building. It's out wa a trash enclosure that houses a trash compactor, a recycling bin, and a shed. The trash enclosure is nine feet high to, to sh perfectly screen those three units within the enclosure. And we do have a visual of that enclosure on gas canopy, stacked trash compound exhibit. This was also submitted as part of the application. So on your right side of this sheet is your trash enclosure. As you can see, it has that same 10  look with the stone veneer at the bottom, there is a white slatted reinforced gates. Two of them wanted to access the recycling bin and want to access the, the trash compactor.  
Speaker 8     01:06:52    They also have a manway door so that these doors are only been during trash pickup, which is important because a lot of times you see these doors swinging, swinging all over the place. So this is only open storing trash pickup, and they actually have self-closing gates on them. So if someone messes up and it doesn't latch it correctly, it will stay closed. Excuse me. So it's important to have that manway for all the, all the garbage and recycling that's being brought out on a, on a daily basis, also on this exhibit is the render of the canopy. As you can see, this is Wawa signature winged canopy, where it's low in the front facing river road, and then higher in the rear facing the building, as stated before the canopy houses eight MPDs. So 16 fueling positions in total, and it has that same stone veneer column wraps that the building has kind of a lending the whole, the whole product together, the wild building with a stone veneer and the metal steam grooves and the trash enclosure with the, the veneer and the columns on the canopy fuel delivery happens at on an as needed basis.  
Speaker 8     01:08:14    And diesel fuel will be available here, but per the, the redevelopment plan only low flow nozzles will be permitted. So that means the tractor trailers will not be, will not be filling up here. And I believe that's all I have for this evening. And I'd like to maybe hand it over to Ben Horton, to, to talk about the hotel operations and architecture.  
Speaker 2     01:08:41    Madam chair. Can we have the question from the boy at this part of this witness? Mr. Madam chair? Can I just ask one question, sheriff, how high did you say the refuse enclosure?  
Speaker 8     01:09:07    Nine feet.  
Speaker 2     01:09:09    Okay. There's a little bit of an issue there.  
Speaker 8     01:09:12    Oh, Nope. I apologize. Eight feet. Eight feet.  
Speaker 2     01:09:16    Okay. You're good. Thank  
Speaker 8     01:09:19    You. Oh, and she actually said, you know, we did, we didn't have a specialized detailed for this one because typically they're nine fee. I apologize for that, but we didn't reduce it to eight feet to meet the redevelopment plan. Thank you. You're welcome.  
Speaker 2     01:09:32    Any other questions from this witness from the board?  
Speaker 6     01:09:37    Madam terrify, may Mr. SEARO do you, are you proposing any signage for the load diesel fuel? Like, will it be, I didn't see it on the plan.  
Speaker 8     01:09:51    There's typically not. So are you just like this? People know that this is low flow diesel every while offers low flow diesel. So people with the larger tractor trailers and they just don't computer because they can't fill up quickly here. So they're people with those types of trucks are not coming here.  
Speaker 6     01:10:14    Have you had any other sites where signage is to avoid any issue out there? This isn't a very visible site,  
Speaker 8     01:10:28    Not off the top of my head. I can't remember. And I, you know, I don't, I, you know, I don't work on every while also. I'm not, I can't answer for every while, but your, my, from my experience, no  
Speaker 6     01:10:42     condition. And the it's approved that in the event that does become an issue down the road, that the applicant would be required to install signage. If notified by the township.  
Speaker 8     01:10:58    I think we can install something at the columns to provide that if the, if it becomes an issue in the future.  
Speaker 6     01:11:06    Okay. Thank you. Madam chair, if I may Councilwoman Cahill here,  
Speaker 3     01:11:13    If I could ask him John Corcoran, when you're talking about signage, you're talking about signage to Wade, a truck coming in at that, what you're saying here.  
Speaker 2     01:11:31    And as far as in, do you have, do you have a response to that? I don't think she heard her. There's copper.  
Speaker 3     01:11:42    I just got a comment here about the time the wall wall, which is located on the corner of Delton and new Durham in getaway, did have a sign in doll that no truck I, and I'm not sure how I know it might've been a zoning board application, and I just knew that. So I'm not sure if that's the kind of science you're talking about, but I would definitely be in favor of anything that would way from trying to get into there.  
Speaker 8     01:12:29    You're in luck because I haven't had those plans.  
Speaker 3     01:12:38    And if I'm not faking, I think that the science on just one of the entrances, and I think it's on the Belton road and  
Speaker 8     01:12:51    You are correct. So there is a sign on the new Durham drive the new Durham entrance, closer to the intersection that says no tractor trailer fueling and the same on the Stellan road entrance. So I don't think there'd be an issue with  
Speaker 3     01:13:12    Yep. Yeah. Okay. That would be great. Just because we're filling the myth. If you don't know about that road over 10 trucks are prohibited, but that hasn't, you know, currently it's a new thing that hasn't stopped them. And I could imagine a Wawa would be, you know, an exciting place to stop there. So anything that we can do to help keep it, you know, toned down would be appreciated.  
Speaker 8     01:13:44    Yep. We can, we can, we can definitely ask those. I don't think there's an issue there with wild Austin's we have them on the other ones.  
Speaker 2     01:13:55    Okay. And are there any other questions from the board? Do we want to open it to the public at this point? Yes. That  
Speaker 8     01:14:02    Would be advisable.  
Speaker 2     01:14:05    Yes. Laura, would you check and see if anybody from the public, the  
Speaker 0     01:14:11    Screen and you would share your screen, please? Matt  
Speaker 1     01:14:18    Somebodies raising their hand misses.  
Speaker 0     01:14:20    I can't see anybody. There we go. Ken Simmons. We have three Ms. Lindsey. Yeah. Ms.  is first.  
Speaker 7     01:14:32    We can hear you.  
Speaker 3     01:14:33    We may need, we may need to unmute her on our phone. I'm not sure that the public is automatically muted or not.  
Speaker 0     01:14:41    Yes. Ms. Rosie, can you hear us? You're going to have to speak up. We can't hear you.  
Speaker 7     01:14:53    What'd you give us your name?  
Speaker 3     01:15:06    You know what? Laura? He may have to hit that door nine  
Speaker 3     01:15:14    I'm not sure  
Speaker 0     01:15:16    Ms.  if you have your phone hit star six, it'll unmute you.  
Speaker 7     01:15:27    Oh,  
Speaker 0     01:15:30    No.  
Speaker 3     01:15:38    He could also use the chat Laura and type her question in the chat.  
Speaker 1     01:15:47    Can we maybe take off the Mr.? Can we take off the exhibit and go to the regular screen?  
Speaker 7     01:15:56    Oh, there she is. I can see her. Okay,  
Speaker 1     01:16:00    Ms. Versie. We can't hear you. We can see you, but we can hear you.  
Speaker 0     01:16:12    Do you want to go to the next person that raised their hand? Yeah,  
Speaker 1     01:16:16    I think you, Ms. Kayla had a good idea. Can she type her questioning?  
Speaker 3     01:16:22    He hits the more in the more button and then there's the chat option. He can chat type in, in the chat, the questions that she has, and we can certainly answer them that way.  
Speaker 7     01:16:38    I believe she can call in to  
Speaker 3     01:16:45    Yeah.  
Speaker 0     01:16:56    Madam chair. Would you like to take the next person from the public? As far as he can try to figure out her system. Okay. The next is Ken Simmons.  
Speaker 7     01:17:08    Mr. Sentence, you  
Speaker 1     01:17:11    Think I've asked you a question?  
Speaker 5     01:17:14    Yeah. It's Ken Simmons one 13 Willow avenue Piscataway also with tech and Piscataway. Good evening, everyone. Just a reference to the signage for the trucks to say no trucks going into, be able to feel whether it also be any consideration for trucks that have a tendency to park your immediately, let's say along river road or potentially along Centennial avenue, blocking traffic to the big exit, to be able to physically walk into a community store services, would there be any controls or aid the place consideration for that? Considering that river road also has that truck ban in one direction, I could potentially see trucks clogging that area more so than it is now Attract a trailer. That is  
Speaker 1     01:18:04    So Steven is there to, that's an excellent question, but that's really more of a police enforcement issue. Unfortunately then the, then the applicant addressing, especially because you're talking about parking on the roadway, correct? Not on their physical problems.  
Speaker 5     01:18:19    Yep. Under physical property, the trucks that will either come to rolling. And just for a quick run inside, we take a quick break or to get the freshmen's.  
Speaker 1     01:18:28    Yeah. I, I don't really think that's something that the applicant could even address. That's more of an enforcement issue. And as I Councilwoman Cahill indicated the college went into effect, like that's more of an enforcement issue from the municipality as opposed to something that the applicant can really address. But it's a good thing to point out. I mean, I don't know if Mr. the shower has any comments, but I don't really know what the applicant can do about the roadway parking. There's not, you can't do anything about the runway there, so, but it's something we should keep in mind Mr. Simmons from an enforcement issue. Yeah.  
Speaker 5     01:19:13    Yeah. Cause I, I can potentially see that happening, especially if we're going to put a 12 foot right away on a Centennial afternoon, sort of a driveway for exit and get into the property. I've seen that at other places where the trucks are stopped in that lane, suddenly in them cause accidents the number of potential accidents. And it's really close on that traffic light.  
Speaker 1     01:19:34    Yeah. Good, good point. And I think as if the project's approved and as they get close to OMI, that's something that the police department can be put on high alert for just for safety purposes.  
Speaker 5     01:19:47    Alright, thank you for your time. Thank you.  
Speaker 3     01:19:58    Madam care. This is Councilwoman Cahill, Ms. Mercy. I, I sent her a note privately shown her that you could chat in there and she did present a question in the chat directly to me, which I will read to you. And that if she does have further comment, that she would, should elect everyone so that we can all read it. But I will read the question out loud. She states I appreciate the extra screening to residential area. Will there be sufficient evergreen screening to block light to residential areas? Will this screen be maintained? And also we'll assign it to the lit and how and Ms. Berthy, if you have further questions, w where in the chat where it says send to just select everyone. And then that way, Madam chair can also read that, but can we get those questions asked of this expert or answered? I'm sorry.  
Speaker 8     01:20:59    I think he should be able to land covered lightning. Is he available? I'm here. So there's a, there's a 50 plus foot buffer to the hotel along the residential area. And only one area light within that parking area, parking lot in the proximity proximity of the residential area. And that area light is 20 feet high. So you have some mature landscaping back there, plus we're adding additional landscaping. So I believe the 50 foot buffer plus the location of the light will be sufficient. The buffer from that, from the residential uses their Mr.. You can put that exhibit up so she could see, were you referring to,  
Speaker 3     01:21:49    Yeah, let's do that. And also too, just while you're doing that, you know, if I could sort of speak as if I were the resident living in the area, we have an ordinance, I do believe with regard to that lighting. So Ms. See, if you can hear me, there is an ordinance where this applicant will have to comply with any lighting that would be in the back towards that residential area would have to comply so that it's not like a beaming light. And please somebody jump in and correct me if I am wrong on that,  
Speaker 8     01:22:29    You are correct. We meet all the ordinance requirements. So Ms. Garcia, as I was, as I was mentioning along here, you have the existing vegetation, as well as the new vegetation that we're, that we're supplementing in here, Pines, and some deciduous trees to, to increase that buffer that's already there. You do have a 50 foot buffer from the residential property line to the building. And then there's that one light located right here. That's going to light up the parking area. There is another light next to the building, but it'll, it'll kind of blend in with the building. This light has a house side house shot side shield on it so that there is no glare going behind light. And that's one of the beautiful things about the led lighting. Now you really have control to direct the light in the areas you wanted to the old halide lights that you see on the shopping centers that haven't been updated. It just kind of a free for all, with the lighting, with these led lights, you really have the opportunity to kind of disperse it the way you want it and in the directions that you do want it. So we do not impact the residential properties behind property.  
Speaker 8     01:23:46    And then I think the second question was the signage lighting. They will be lit. The prices will be led lighting. The Wawa sign itself will be back lit and the hotel sign with backlist. So there will be no spotlight shining onto the signs from the ground. I believe that would probably be the concern.  
Speaker 2     01:24:18    Thank you. Any other questions of the public? Have any questions Ms. Buckley? Did you see any,  
Speaker 0     01:24:28    I need him, there we go. Yes. There was one more safe house.  
Speaker 10    01:24:33    Hi. Hi, my name is Sandra. I could Raj I'm from 50 86 BD street resident. I just wanted to find out if they are also using solar on the wildlife, as well as the auto, I would recommend that they are not at least in the future to add solar to their property that will offset some of the energy use. And I liked the option that they are using the electric charging. It's good that Tesla is doing what they have to do. It'll be great if even other automakers put their charging. So other companies can also, other manufacturers can hide it. I and Tesla is doing more work, but I, I wish other auto industry has also tried to do the same. That should not stop from the encouraging Tesla. At least they are showing some science to making other auto industries to come in and put more charging stations. So if it does not, at least I recommend pursuing in the future. Thank you.  
Speaker 8     01:25:44    No problem. So I do have an answer for the solar. So currently there is no solar proposed for this project. However, Wawa is doing some initial tests with some of their canopies. They do have that beautiful angled canopy. That would be perfect to put solar panels on. They are doing pests around the Mid-Atlantic and Florida. And hopefully, you know, if the sun aligns on this project, we could, we could add some solar to the canopy at some point. But currently there is no, there is no Bozel for solar on a canopy.  
Speaker 2     01:26:18    Okay. Thank you. Any other questions? Any other members of the public had questions of this witness? No calls come in sparkling. No, no one else. Madam chair. Okay. We can proceed. The next person is thank you very  
Speaker 8     01:26:37    Much.  
Speaker 1     01:26:39    Okay. My next witness, I called Nick Verdery seat for traffic  
Speaker 2     01:26:46    That evening he's been sworn in. You may proceed with your question,  
Speaker 1     01:26:54    Nick, can you please review our project from the standpoint of traffic for the board?  
Speaker 9     01:26:59    Yeah. So traffic impact study of those prepared and submitted to the board stated 10, 10, 19. It was reviewed by your engineering, your a traffic engineer as well. I just taken you through quickly the traffic impact study. I'm going to share my screen. Okay. And just put up a one so you can see the site plan. So let me know if you're seeing the rendered site at this stuff.  
Speaker 2     01:27:31    Yes. It looks like it.  
Speaker 9     01:27:36    Okay, great. So this traffic study essentially includes identifying existing conditions in the surrounding area. So we'll form traffic counts in January of 2019, as well as September of 2019, which identifies this thing, traffic volumes along river road, Centennial avenue on the traffic signal at the location of those intersection of those two roadways, as well as the embassy suites traffic signal, just to the east of the subject. Gotcha. And the next we identified based on the access that Mr. Shero noted of where, how much and bear patrons for the Wawa and the hotel will come from. So we identified that and provided that information in the traffic study. Then after we identified the proposed traffic, and just to note, Wawa generates the majority of the traffic on this site, upwards of 80% plus of the traffic associated with the site is associated with the Wawa. And about three quarters of that traffic from studies done throughout the United States for these types of uses.  
Speaker 9     01:28:53    Three quarters of that is traffic already on the roadway. So essentially what you have traffic passing by on river road, they stopped, they get gas, they get, they use the store and then they continue on their way, whether it be in the morning on their way to work a little way at school or on the home, from work home from school, essentially, they're already driving through this area. So only about 25% of the traffic associated with this project is going to be new to this area. So not a large traffic generator in as far as bringing traffic to the area. Plus the, then what we do is we take the existing traffic. We serve trips on the proposed traffic, and we do some analysis of the both conditions to identify if there's any problem locations or any required mitigation associated with this project. As you've noted it, read it.  
Speaker 9     01:29:47    We are providing a left turn lane in the media and upset Hennepin avenue, improved access to the property on that'll allow people coming from the east, access the hotel on the site. We did identify some existing capacity constraints, the primary one at this location, essentially people coming off of 2 87 that want to continue on Centennial avenue to the east in the morning hours, get a heavy commuter traffic volume that wants to make that money for. So we did identify some strengths there. We identified some potential mitigation or improvements, existing condition that has issues. We forwarded all of that information to, to Middlesex county, which controls that traffic's and they have information and they will pay the side that they feel it's a pertinent movement that they'd like to install at the simple modification to the timing of the intersection. So overall, if you look at the driveways and their operation, they operate at good levels of service.  
Speaker 9     01:31:05    So the amount of traffic completing at the driveways, or there won't be excessive cues for people to try to enter or exit the site, there are good sight lines in, in all the direction of whether you're entering or exiting as Mr. Sharron noted, our driver would have river road is very similar to the driveway that the county built of when they did their improvement on this frontage. And the driveway along Centennial avenue of will accommodate the right turn in. And the right turn happens. As we mentioned, also the left turn and movement on that safely and efficiently as does up as far as the operation of the on-site circulation. Mr. Cheryl mentioned, when we have some oversized, the Isles are going in the Wawa. We generally like to do that for ease of tractor trailer that were, is fuel deliveries and general improved circulation for vehicles at the pumps, pump islands and pulling in and out of the parking spaces.  
Speaker 9     01:32:08    And as Matt noted, the parking stalls around the Wawa are 10 by 20. So that exceeds your ordinance requirement of Wawa, because it's a quick turnover. They like to have the larger stores for the ease of getting in and out. Again, it's a convenience operation and they essentially pride themselves on getting people in and out bubbly. So they like to win a ball, provide 10 by 20 parking stalls. As far as the numbers of stalls, the Wawa has 47 stalls in the hotel with slight modification. As we noted, it has 121 stores. They both exceed the ordinance requirement, the numbers also, while, while falls in line, we see all the wild wise, I've worked on a 30 to 40 different wild Watts throughout the state of New Jersey. And that falls right in the range of what we propose and what we've seen in studies we've done for while officer the hotel, they have nine by 18 stalls.  
Speaker 9     01:33:09    And again, it meets the ordinance requirement. As Mr. Cheryl mentioned, we are modifying the aisle that comes off the river road based on some comments from the board's engineer, which we were happy to do. It was a suggestion. And we were able to make that also, we are going to be providing pedestrian pathway between the Wawa and the hotel for anyone that wants to, you know, staying at the hotel and they want to utilize the wild west store. We will have a crosswalk crossing, two of the Isles to get between the, the two uses. And that will be ADA compatible pile. There's also pedestrian connections to the right of way along the road. I'm going to point here on river road, please see my pointer. And there's a drive. There's a walkway that comes in off of this thing. Sidewalk on river road comes in and comes into the Wawa facility.  
Speaker 9     01:34:07    And there's also a sidewalk and crosswalk that comes off of the proposed shared 10 foot wide path. That's proposed as part of this project coming into the wildlife facility as well. We've accommodated automobiles, tractor trailers, and gas strands as well, like lays out very well. There are two distinct uses here, but their, their parking and their activities is, is generally separated through the locations of the, you know, the generators on the site, the canopy, or the, the front door of the hotel. So overall I'd say we've done a good job. We've been working for a while on this site, there was a redevelopment prevention now. So there's been a lot input back and forth, and we appreciate that the board's professionals and the townships professional, but to get the plan to be what we see here today, confident to recommend that the board can approve this site and be comfortable that the, the traffic will work safely and efficiently as designed. That's all. Yeah.  
Speaker 2     01:35:36    Okay. Ms. Stolen's not on the meeting issue.  
Speaker 9     01:35:40    I think she, I saw her  
Speaker 11    01:35:45    I'm here. He's here. All of my comments have been addressed. I had more comments on the site plan, the traffic city I found be acceptable. And the modifications that Matt SEARO talked about with the, I guess, was 83, 29, 20 20 with the elimination of the five spaces on the side of the hotel. That was my main focus and having that area of revised. So my comments have all been addressed.  
Speaker 2     01:36:16    Thank you. Any other questions from the board of this witness  
Speaker 4     01:36:24    And share if I, if I may jump in very quickly, just as a note for Mayor Wahler  
Speaker 4     01:36:36    That's okay. Madam chair, just as an aside note, the town is finishing up the engineering designs for Centennial avenue from river road to Knightsbridge road. And that'll include two new upgraded signalized intersection, the embassy seat suites, intersection, traffic light, and then down by pike hill avenue, north, and both the eastbound and westbound sides of the roadway are going to be fully reconstructed, including sidewalks on the Northern lake side. And then the multi-use path, which this applicant will be building as part of that, as well as some of the other businesses that are out there that are already have already built their multi-year path. So we're projected timeframe is 2022 for that construction. Assuming we acquire Mr. Carson and requires all these myths out there did that. I wanted to add Madam chair.  
Speaker 2     01:37:37    Thank you. I'd like to, if there's no further questions from the board, can we open this to the public so that they can question this witness? Mr. Ronald, would you unmute him, Ronald?  
Speaker 9     01:37:55    Yeah. I asked him he has to unmute himself. Okay. Rhonda, would you unmute this?  
Speaker 12    01:38:03    Yeah. Okay. I don't live in Piscataway. I used to live on Netherland avenue. My son lives at 3 0 1 Netherland avenue and I see a problem that's happening. I come down Netherland avenue for my son's house to river road, and there is a third lane on river road that goes, and then it entered Centennial avenue. People come around that then at like 50 miles an hour. And then what they do is instead of going to Centennial avenue, they turn over to the next lane, which is the entrance going on to 2 87. What's going to happen when people are, you said right in and right out, what's going to happen. And then people come out. Are they going to come out into river road? Is that where they're making the right turn? Or are they going to go to the exit to Centennial avenue? My question is, I don't know whoever designed that third lane there, but they come around that then. And people from Netherland avenues to stick out a little bit. We can't do that now because they come around so fast. And the problem is that when they come around, then they switch over to the other lane. Is the county going to do something about that lane so that a naked better for the hotel? Because if somebody is turning into the hotel and these people are whipping around, we're going to have an accident there. That's what I'm afraid of. Sorry. I get all excited.  
Speaker 9     01:39:28    Could you just, could you just state your name and spell your last name for the record?  
Speaker 12    01:39:33    Yes. My name is Theresa T H E R E S a red Nicki, R U D and I C K I dash Jones. My mom used to be on the planning board years ago.  
Speaker 9     01:39:45    Thank you. Yes, that have the name from the path Mr. Brin. Nikki.  
Speaker 12    01:39:53    I'm still concerned about the Skagway, even though I don't live there, but I'm concerned for my son and I use Leadwood avenue all the time.  
Speaker 9     01:40:02    Okay. Do we have a response from the witness or so, just so everyone understands. So if you're on river road and you're passing through the signalized intersection at netherworld, it goes from two lanes prior to the intersection of your traveling towards 2 87. And it opens up to a third lane, essentially right after nether would along the side of that residence.  
Speaker 12    01:40:27    And after the Tavern, right where the Tavern is, that's where the third lane goes. And then it goes down to Centennial and then it becomes two. So it starts at the tower or the gasoline station. That's where different lanes. Okay.  
Speaker 9     01:40:43    Turning lane, turning lane for Centennial. Yes. But if you're traveling towards our site, it doesn't become three lanes until you get right to the intersection. No,  
Speaker 12    01:40:57    It comes before the, after you get to the intersections, Tanya, then there's only two lanes on river road. But before that there are three. And the one that goes off doesn't Tenille, but a lot of people don't know that all of a sudden they switch over to the second for 2 87. I don't know who designed it, but it's not a good design,  
Speaker 3     01:41:17    Right? If go ahead. I'm sorry. No, that's  
Speaker 9     01:41:22    Okay. You can not.  
Speaker 3     01:41:24    I was, no, I didn't say, cause I live on river road, myself that the river road that is a long, if that if the river road fronted of the hotel, the resident rightfully mentioned that if it really become the turning lane to get on Centennial and I think, and then we'd have to look at the plans again. Cause, cause I looked at them and I was just trying to determine whereabouts that right. You know, the entrance and then the right out only is, is it into that third lane so that somebody is looking to get to proceed again, north on 2 87 and go through the, the intersection, the light at the intersection of Centennial and river road, you get onto your 87. It, it might be that they're crossing over that lane. Does that make sense to you? Yes.  
Speaker 9     01:42:31    So they absolutely do. So there are three lanes along the entire frontage from nether wood. So the right lane is for an exit to get onto Centennial, about 90% of the traffic on the road or more continue straight. So they continue towards 2 87 a direction. So the volumes in the right lane are very low. So what that essentially does when you have a driveway in there, it acts as a, an acceleration and the deceleration lane essentially. So it's on slowing down to pull into the Wawa or the hotel can get in that third lane, the right lane slowed down in there, not have a lot of volume because most of this in the two left lanes and they can slow down the same work support  
Speaker 3     01:43:19    You can  
Speaker 9     01:43:21    Accelerate, or you can wait for the second lane to be open and then, then use the gap in the second one.  
Speaker 3     01:43:28    Right. It would be if you like that, the resident bringing up and rightfully so because they probably probably on the road and live on it. Is that, that, that intersecting it. In other words, you know, when people are stopped at the light of playing fields and river road and they're headed toward, you know, north 47, you know, they do whip around there. So I understand that that right lane is been a dedicated turning lane to get on to Centennial, you know, up until the time, because I mean, there is a back end for the back building. I don't know really, if it goes into the full parking lot, I I've forgotten, but more, I would think more concerning is that, you know, you may have the opportunity for people who are in that far right lane. And then he whips over into the left. And if you're coming off, nether, would, you might be sort of taking the right into that very right lane, but you need to move over into the left lane.  
Speaker 3     01:44:37    I think the concern is that if you're going to take a right out of the hotel lot onto river road, you're crossing a lane. If you're looking to get onto 2 87 is not a lot of time, you get into that right lane and then get over to the left. And it's not the applicant issue with, you know, just how crazy it is out there. And that people are not paying attention and being very safe drivers in that area. You know, look if want to get to where they want to get to, but it is a concern. It, you know, or already it is a concern. And I don't, I really don't even know what the answer to that would be.  
Speaker 1     01:45:23    Madam chair, Ms.  has sent a question and I'll read it just for the record. And then the traffic expert, Kevin gonna address it. The Ms  stated will there be signage from the parking lots to restrict left-hand turns from the parking lots. Also our blue bag signs proposed for route 2 87 that would potentially increase traffic onto river road and Centennial. I am concerned about more people being quote lost end quote and using netherworld and other side streets to turn around. So if you could address that Mr. Rodriguez.  
Speaker 9     01:46:06    So there will be signage on the property that identifies that you're not allowed to make the left turn out of. Either of the driveways will be signage as well on river road, but that identifies, you're not permitted to make the turn into the, into the wild wild hotel directly from river road. You'd have to have made the traffic, the left at the traffic signal previous by if you're coming from two-way these seven with the new geometry or you're pointing directly at Centennial. So if you did come off of 2 87 to utilize the facility that you'd come straight across and make a right turn in on Centennial, if you were going back to 2 87, you'd come out river road and make right turn. That continued towards route two way these seven. So all of that signage is in place. And as far as the way, finding signs out on the highway, I think Mr. Cheryl mentioned earlier on that while, while wouldn't be a petition MDOT, to add that signage out on 2 87,  
Speaker 1     01:47:13    That answer your questions, Ms.  She's typing a response. It's the new normal folks with zoom, but we're doing our best  
Speaker 4     01:47:29    Madam chair. It's a Mayor. Wahler if I may interject very quickly, the Genesis of the way that intersection, that nether wind river road with the extended slip ramp to Centennial avenue was designed is because you have an emergency activated light for the firehouse that's there on netherworld in order for them to meet the clearance when they have their hundred foot minor shark coming out. And the other issue is just for the general public, the town is in the process or expected to reconstruct the entire life. Another would avenue next year, 2021. So  
Speaker 1     01:48:18    While we're waiting now, who are we waiting for? I thought it was VRSII was typing a response, but I did not see anything come through me as far as they, are you anything out? No, or yes. Oh, one second. We got a finger up one sec. Is there anyone else that has any questions, any other public men members of the public had questions? Just give Ms. Versie a moment. Then we can move on to the next expert witness.  
Speaker 7     01:49:09    Well  
Speaker 1     01:49:19    To everyone, will the town be updated? If disappeared, can you read it? I can. Will the town be updated on the signs on 2 87 by the state, Mr.  maybe you can tell us I'm not that familiar. I presume Wawa, the hotel petitions, D O T and DLT. That makes the decision.  
Speaker 9     01:49:42    Yes.  
Speaker 1     01:49:43    Okay. Do you know if they will be, if the town is  
Speaker 9     01:49:47    Copied on that or Mayor Wahler props, I'm not aware if they have or not. What if, you know, do you want to make it a condition? We can get flow with a copy of our submission and the response to the board and then it can be disseminated to the rest of the, the township officials. So that's a good way to handle it.  
Speaker 2     01:50:13    Are we finished with Mr. Dacey and we can move on to the next witness.  
Speaker 9     01:50:19    And so based on the chakra.  
Speaker 2     01:50:21    Okay. Thank you, Mr. Richardson. Next witness. You're welcome.  
Speaker 9     01:50:27    My next witnesses. Ben Horton on architecture.  
Speaker 5     01:50:34    Okay. Thank you. My name is Ben Horton. I'm the architect. I I'm representing the hotel project. I'm going to share my with you and  
Speaker 5     01:50:50    Mr. . The engineer site engineer had kind of explained the basic information about the hotel. That it's a four story hotel and that it has hundred 20 bedrooms. I'm going to just walk you through the plans and the elevation, and then show you the rendering of the building. So get an idea of what the building will look like. The, the, the drawings that I'm presenting in front of you are the drawings that were submitted to the township as part of this application, including the renderings, which I'm going to show you was also submitted to the town. So with that, I'm going to go through the drawings. The first sheet is the covered page for the architectural dry with Velva list of drawings. I'm going to go right into the, the main floor, the ground floor plan. The first floor plan. The bottom of the page is the main entry where the drop-off canopy is it's oriented.  
Speaker 5     01:51:52    If you recall the site plan drawing in the same orientation as the, the site plan where the bottom of the page is the north, the, the building, as I said is for stories. But as you know, in a lot of the hotels, there's some common amenities for the guests. I'm going to zoom in on the floor plan. So once you entered the vestibule, you come into a kind of an open lobby lounge area out with the, the check-in desk. And you could see it's, it's going to be very similar to a lot of the other hotels that you've been to. One of the features that you saw on the site plan to the left of the entry. There's an outdoor seating area to the left of the entry, and it has walls located on two sides, kind of the rear and the left side. There are walls that would kind of screen a view of the people standing there from the outside. There's a low wall with plants, also along the phone with a gate here at the front entry area, facing the front of the building. So while there's an outdoor seating area, that area would be a locked by our screens by a wall. And also there'll be landscape plantings around that wall.  
Speaker 5     01:53:19    The rest of the, the brown floor up to the, to the right of the entry lobby is a small meeting rooms that you often find. And as you walked away, way back towards the back of the building, these are all kind of the back of the house areas where you have offices, laundry rooms, electrical rooms, with the staff, right behind the lobby of the small prep, kitchen, deaf parents, breakfast and whatnot. And then to the, to the sort of the, the rear where the L-shape creates a courtyard is a one-story indoor pool structure. That's a one-story structure at the rear lot. And you can see it's kind of set back in the corner here and next to that inside of the building, a small workout, that gym that you, that most hotels are putting in these days and rest of the ground floor is bedrooms located on the right side of the building.  
Speaker 5     01:54:18    And then as I go off the floor, rest of the floors are bedrooms in, what's called a double loaded corridor. You have a corridor down the center of the building, and you have bedrooms on either side of the corridor. You can see it's basically an L-shaped configuration, and that repeats itself on the third and the fourth floor. And as I noted before, it's a four story building and it's all within the height limitation of the zoning ordinance. Now I'm going to take you to the elevation. This is, she ate 3.01 on the bottom of the front elevation, which is the north side. You can see the, the entry canopy along the front here and highest. What they like to do with their prototype is create a little logo in the corner. They create this kind of decorative feature that they called this crown feature and the, the front right left corner, where the entry is located. And I think you'd get a better understanding of what that looks like when I did take you to the rendering. But as you can see, it's a four-story structure. This is the front. This is the top detail is the rear elevation. And if I zoom in on the, the, this portion right here, that's the one story of post that's kind of located in the crevice of that L-shaped plan.  
Speaker 5     01:55:49    The next drawing is a sheet eight, 3.2, that shows a on the bottom, the east or the left side elevation. And then on the right side, on the top elevation there, if that's the right side of the building, and then the section drawings are just, diagrammatically kind of showing you the four levels that you see on the building. The next page is our typical bedrooms. There's a, a couple different types of bedroom where you have a suite type of rooms and your typical rooms that have single rooms, but you have the rooms that have a suite type of layout, where you have the separate bedroom and the lounging area. And these are to accommodate variety of clientele. You know, if you have a kids with family, you know, if you're a parent with two kids, you might want to rent a suite or something like that for your couples, traveling with friends, you know, these are a good sweets to have.  
Speaker 5     01:56:57    So it shows you that different variety of bedroom pets we have here, again, another type of bedroom, but they're all very similar. They're either a single room or a suite type of a layout. They do have a little kitchen that in each of the suites, which is a nice feature to these rooms. Now with that, I'm going to take it to the renderings. These renderings are prototype renderings that Hyatt has developed. This is their standard brand look, as you can see, it's a pretty well designed. There's a lot of nice materials that Hyatt likes to use in their buildings. You can see the metal panels along the fun side, where they can it be is, and they incorporate that same metal panel in the vertical wall sections. And then they mix it with a combination of brick and a speckled type of look to it, to break up the building, to make it look less smaller than like almost like a row house effect.  
Speaker 5     01:58:04    When you have several low houses where you have multiple buildings, they try to break up the facade to create that kind of Rojas effect than not unlike your traditional large expansive walls to build the same type of material in the front of the left corner is the kind of the outdoor patio area that I mentioned could see the tall wall on the left in the rear. The front wall is a little bit lower, and that would have planters that would grow out and kind of screen. But the idea is to show that people, because they're coming in from the front, that there's an outdoor space that they could lounge. And while providing some privacy from the neighbors, by putting the wall along the rear and the left side, the next view is the same view with the kind of the nighttime artistic view of that building at the front of the building there. And then these are some of your typical guest rooms. You can see this one has a nice pitching net, and you can see this one is, has a bedroom area and the little lounge area, and this will be your lounge, a lobby area. Once you enter from the main lobby. And that's it, that's all I have to present.  
Speaker 5     01:59:31    I'm sorry. There's one more. That's the kitchen. So that concludes my presentation. If there's any questions,  
Speaker 2     01:59:44    Is there any questions from the members of the board?  
Speaker 3     01:59:58    Not I'm sure if I may, this is counsel on kale. I want to make sure I didn't miss any part of this. There there is no restaurants correct in here.  
Speaker 5     02:00:15    No, there there is food. They're going to have service. There is a small kitchen and food service, like for breakfast that you find the most, but it's  
Speaker 3     02:00:27    You make it yourself. You make it yourself, right.  
Speaker 5     02:00:33    They're going to set up a buffet like here during breakfast, they'll set up a book here and there's a kitchen behind this serving area. So it would be a self-serve area.  
Speaker 3     02:00:46    Okay. But not, not a full service restaurant, I guess. I'm sorry. I was not clear.  
Speaker 5     02:00:51    Right? It's not a service restaurant that would be open for public, like a  
Speaker 3     02:00:57    Functional,  
Speaker 2     02:01:02    Any other questions from any of the other members of the board.  
Speaker 2     02:01:11    Okay. And I guess we're finished with you, Mr. Horton is the one last witness. Well, do we have any questions from the, I'm sorry, from the public. I apologize. The screen.  
Speaker 13    02:01:30    I had to go in Redmond county. One question I wanted to ask them in regards to industrial use something that this hotel, because some truckers use hotels in our area, especially over by the holiday Inn. It is going to be railed with bunkers to come to use this hotel.  
Speaker 1     02:01:59    Do you want to address that? Yeah, I guess the response is that there would be no legal ability to prevent truckers, but I think we all know that that's certainly not the direction that Hyatt would be looking to promote or would be marketing.  
Speaker 13    02:02:17    Yeah, because the reason I asked him this question, because I was involved with a trucking outfit years ago when, and I'm familiar with being in law enforcement. Also, I, I know that truckers do see a hotel tying up on interstates, coming with them in this way, what was doing seven. And they had do was especially on their towners. They use what were hotels like this way? I mean, I don't know if I still have that parking the drunk.  
Speaker 1     02:02:51    Well, I don't think any specific provisions have been made to accommodate if what you're talking about is long haul guys with major rigs. I don't think that's the case at all. If you look at the site plan reverends, you see the parking space fairly conventional, there would of course be a delivery area, but that wouldn't be for, you know, for, for, for outside truckers having no relationship with delivery to it, to the establishment. So I don't think we expect that to be concerned,  
Speaker 13    02:03:29    To be honest with you. Yes. This can happen because over at holiday Inn, they don't ask specific cup. I also lanes in parking, but there aren't truckers. There that's a concern for maintenance.  
Speaker 1     02:03:46    I'm not sure if that's the market, the highest house,  
Speaker 13    02:03:52    You can't refuse them. That's what I'm saying. There should be sometimes, you know, tiny for somethings, but a hotel as well.  
Speaker 6     02:04:08    Madam chair, if I may do Encore grant, was the applicant be gripped with the applicant, be agreeable to signage at the time or a grant. As we discussed earlier with another item in the event, there is an issue out there appropriate signage would be installed. Obviously has the applicant, you know, would they received notification from the town?  
Speaker 1     02:04:32    Well, what, what would that sign snitch be? Be involving? I'm not understanding  
Speaker 6     02:04:39    Who they know the rapper, I would say. And we are, we have seen issues with overnight parking or just temporary parking, or we're just trying to avoid the agents that we have at other sites within the municipality.  
Speaker 1     02:04:52    Okay. And we're talking about specifically about large trucks. We're not talking about, for example, SUV or, or frog sober or  
Speaker 6     02:05:01    Cry  
Speaker 1     02:05:05    Then yes. I understand the applicant would be amenable to doing that.  
Speaker 6     02:05:09    Okay. Thank you.  
Speaker 5     02:05:11    Thank you.  
Speaker 6     02:05:13    Okay. Any other questions from the board?  
Speaker 0     02:05:16    Madam chair, miss Versie had another question.  
Speaker 1     02:05:23    Oh, well the rear I'll read minutes versus these questions. Will the rear elevation have a similar appearance to the front questions for Mr. Horton? Will the elevation have the same appearance as the front elevation? How tall is the building?  
Speaker 5     02:05:40    The building is four stories and the, the design of the, the building the bed would be very similar in both the front and the rear where the bedrooms are. The, I think the end that's close to the neighbors is the actual end of the building, which has no windows. That's where the, the corridor kind of ends and the stair tower is located. So you don't have to the closest part of the building. If you don't mind, I'm going to share the screen again.  
Speaker 5     02:06:21    So you could see this, our plan, this end here on top of the plant, that art, where the stair is the C, let me first show you in plan. There's no windows there other than this window at the end of the corridor. And let me show you what that elevation looks like. So this, this part of the elevation, excuse me, I have to get my comment to out.  
Speaker 5     02:06:57    So this part of the building is part of the building that will be facing the residence. The closest that I showed you on plan, and you can see the few windows here, and it's four stories tall. And the combination of the material is that you have this brick on this part that's been, and breast of this material here is that metal material that you saw in the render. That's a combination of brick and metal, but there's no windows other than the windows in the corridor here at the end of the corridor, these, this facade that you're looking at, where you see large elevation with the windows, that's way further back again, going back to the floor plan. You can see, again, it's an L-shaped rooms that are, that have those windows, that the bedrooms that are waived, these ones are kind of perpendicular to the residential lot. And this end here, that's the closest with very little windows will be facing a set of, to the part of the building to the resident. Does that answer your question? Okay. Thank you.  
Speaker 2     02:08:12    Okay. By the, any other questions from the public, did you get any, any requests? Did you get any questions from the public? Okay. Thank you. Then we're close to the public for all four witnesses unless  
Speaker 1     02:08:38    Mr. Madonna hasn't  
Speaker 2     02:08:39    Testified. Oh, we have another test. We have another witness. I'm sorry. Okay. Thank you, Mr. Horton. We're going to ask the last witness to come forward.  
Speaker 10    02:08:54    Yes. We want to stand for the record. John McKenna project planner.  
Speaker 1     02:09:00    John, would you please review our application for the board from the standpoint of planning?  
Speaker 10    02:09:06    Sure. I think pictures are worth a thousand words. I have a number of exhibits to show here that I can run through very quickly with the chair's permission and Mr. Barlow with, with, with your, okay. I think these should probably be marked because they're they're photographs that were not entered with the original application.  
Speaker 1     02:09:26    Okay. The first one will be a four and then just take it from there as you refer to them so that the court reporter knows Mr. Kim, if you could be so kind as to get copies of all of the exhibits to your court reporter so they can attach them to the transcript. So we have a record in one place. Absolutely. Mr. Barlow, thank you. So this would be a four and a CC just identify.  
Speaker 10    02:09:53    So a four is going to be a series of eight slides. Again, I'll go through very quickly here that simply establish a foundation for the planning conclusion that this is a application that meets the requirements for site plan approval and for positive movement by the board. We'll look at the physical characteristics of the site, the surrounding land use context zoning and how the proposal here is compatible with, with all of the above. So we start in eight, four first, very simple tax parcel map. We've outlined the civic property in yellow, which as we all know, is that a visually prominent and important corner here in the community, along river road and Centennial avenue, it's a rather large site, five acres, and basically is just sitting out there right now under performing in terms of its prototype productivity for the community at large. And so the second frame of eight four looks at the physical condition of the property.  
Speaker 10    02:10:53    It's the . So this is a four and two. We want to call it eight, four dash two. I have little numbers to the others. There's a, so why can't we just call them like eighty four, eighty five, eighty six, eight, five eighty five is an overlay of a four, just showing an aerial perspective. So you now have the surrounding white lines and you have the physical build-out of the area. I think it's safe to say that the left part of the screen or to the west, to the north, we're looking at non-residential development. And we're at this important transition where we transitioned to residential development, where you see, I'll say that a higher density of residential uses, which would be to the east doors. I'll say to the south, from this perspective, that's the area of sensitivity. And what's nice here is that you can see, we do have a ban on what was originally well-planned site and which will be preserved as part of this application is that fan of evergreen buffering, which is now mature and provides a nice soft edge and separation between the subject non-residential use.  
Speaker 10    02:12:09    And the adjacent residential use in four or 5, 8, 6 would be a color coding based on the mod four land use classification system. That colorize is residential versus non-residential uses. And again, everything you see for the left in red indicates our non-residential neighborhood. Everything to the right, the gold color is our residential neighborhood. And again, we're at that age. So with this maintaining nice sensitivity for residential uses, that would be to the right, in this particular map, a seven is going to be surrounding zoning. And you see that this site has been carved out as a redevelopment area. We'll get to that in a second, but consistent with the existing land use pattern, the zoning reflects the LLI zoning for the last, or I'll say to the north from this vantage point. And then the residential zoning to the south next frame takes us on the property, shows the physical condition of the property property.  
Speaker 10    02:13:12    And I guess we can say, we're starting with a problem that we have an applicant here who is putting a substantial investment into fixing or correcting a site that could use some help. We're looking at an extensive parking lot of a sea of asphalt. We'll call it. There's no breakup of landscaping. And you've heard the testimony of Matt at the outset, all the plantings that the applicant is going to pull in here, I'll say to green up a site, that again is presently loaded with a lot of asphalt at a vacant building that is underperforming in your community from this particular vantage point. The building that you're looking at is actually the adjacent commercial units. So we really have two neighbors. We have the adjacent non-residential use. And then in the next frame, the 9, 7, 8, 9, we're looking at the residential use that names on the other side.  
Speaker 10    02:14:10    And we've heard from a couple of interested parties on the other side of it's green wall that has been established and will be maintained as part of the that's before the board this evening, again, the expansive asphalt that's going to be broken up and put back into functional use, and then the nice green edge, which is going to be maintained, intact and supplemented. Think you've heard this over 1300 plants that are going to be folded into this site that are not presently there. Next frame takes us. This will be a 11, takes us on this eight, 10 picks us onto the site. As of yesterday, again, just pulling back a little bit to show the relationship of the parking lot, the vacant building and the evergreen buffering that's on the back side or on the perimeter of the site. And then finally  would be my last slide also taken yesterday shows what the building looks like, or the site looks like from river road.  
Speaker 10    02:15:10    You can see that we do have a pedestrian amenity along the front, on the river road side, but we're also looking back introducing that multi-use path, which I think is an excellent zoning requirement. The applicant is willing to conform to along the Centennial avenue site as well. So we do have out only the overall repurposing of the site as a community benefit, but also that dash fan and multipurpose path amenity as well. With all of that, we are looking at a site that has been called out by the governing body as an area in need of redevelopment, recognizing its underutilized nature. The essence of redevelopment is to reverse stagnation on the utilized properties to revitalize land, put it back into functional use. This is an important site in your commercial district. And this is certainly going to pull that site in more in line with what the vision for the area would be and its overall commercial intent.  
Speaker 10    02:16:12    This is going to be a, so the plan that the applicant, as you've heard has put great care into meeting the requirements of the redevelopment plan. It is a extremely well-written plan. It is chocked full of guidelines and regulations that safe or the public interest. And I'm happy to report as you've heard through other witnesses before me that every aspect of the land use regulations set forth in here are being met by this applicant. Again, the applicant has put great care for meeting the use requirements, both requirements that established the building, massing, the height of Ridge, the setbacks, the parking parameters you've heard through Mr.  testimony of how that is also in full compliance with the supply or demand aspects of this case movements in the movements out, moving through the site have all been designed to function safely and efficiently. And then of course the design parameters, this doesn't end only in terms of regulating the mass of the project, but also the look of the project.  
Speaker 10    02:17:19    Again, we have an applicant here that has put great care into maintaining buildings that will be attractive in the landscape and certainly blend well with the surrounding landscape. With those plantings that are going to be pulled into the site. Also, this is a very positive application that involves a number of community benefits. First and foremost, this is going to pull not one, but two service uses along a service corridor in the communities. That's going to be a public benefit. Number one, also the pedestrian amenities that I spoke about the greening up of the site is another public benefit, the revitalization of underutilized land, and finally the community goals to provide for economic development and a stable repeatable base. This is going to pull name brand users onto the site, not one but two, again, very stable, stable end users here. And we'll certainly add to the image and identity of the community at large. With all of that said, I would like to commend the governing body and the planning board for using the redevelopment tool to effectuate positive change in your community. Redevelopment doesn't work if it's not real. And this plan is written to effectuate something real. You have an applicant here that is ready, willing, and able to effectuate the vision that's before the plan. And again, no release needed here. So certainly the three criteria for the board to move favorably on the application is all met with that. Madam chair I'll rest and open up to any questions.  
Speaker 2     02:18:59    Are there any questions of this witness from the members of the board clarification's and you may want from Mr. MacDonald, Ms. Barkley, would you see if there's any questions of this witness from the public?  
Speaker 1     02:19:20    I don't see any comments. Madam chair in the chat room, Mr. Gottlieb, do you have any comments from a planning perspective?  
Speaker 2     02:19:30    I just think that the applicant has done a terrific job in meeting all of these determinants of the redevelopment plan was a long time, a lot of hard work, but they, they did a great job and I think the town, you know, working with the township, I think they'll have a really super project.  
Speaker 1     02:20:02    Mr. Kim, I just want to just point out two items. The applicant will abide by all the terms of the July 10th, 2020 memo issued by Mr. Gooseberry. The director of public works. He had three items. I assume the applicant will comply with those. Yes. Okay. And Mr. Hinterstein memo of July 17th, 2020 had a number of comments and the applicant is amenable to complying with the items he pointed out. Yes. Okay.  
Speaker 2     02:20:41    If there are no comments and summations from the board. Oh, I just want to Madam chair. Yes. Yeah. Just say one last thing. While the applicant has addressed through testimony, the majority of the comments from CMS, July 9th, 2020 memorandum would just like to make sure that they're in agreement and will comply with all the comments.  
Speaker 1     02:21:15    I didn't mean to leave you out. Steve.  
Speaker 2     02:21:17    That's so crazy. No one will be left out. We're not going to leave anybody. Yeah. My wife does it to me all the time.  
Speaker 1     02:21:28    And Matt, are you on board with CMA?  
Speaker 2     02:21:35    I'm looking through it right now  
Speaker 1     02:21:39    While he's doing that. Madam,  
Speaker 2     02:21:40    When did she have any, anything that she wants to include?  
Speaker 6     02:21:44    I was just going to circle back to the, the two items we talked about earlier and in thinking it over and speaking to the mayor as well, we had spoken about the signage regarding the load diesel fuel, as well as signage for to avoid any potential parking of vehicles overnight. Perhaps what we can do is have the board attorney work with the applicant's attorney, the assistant township attorney of putting together some type of agreement, you know, just so the township is covered in the event, these items become an issue, you know, type of signage, you know, how they'll be notified and so forth. So I know the applicant did agree that, but I'm thinking, we're thinking maybe it'd be easier to just come up with some type of agreement between all the attorneys  
Speaker 1     02:22:31    Corcoran. Is there a developer's agreement already in place? Not that I'm aware of. Not yet. Okay. So we can maybe incorporate it into the developer's agreement also.  
Speaker 6     02:22:44    Perfect. Perfect.  
Speaker 1     02:22:46    So I'll add  
Speaker 6     02:22:47    No, yeah, we'll just put it subject to the developer's agreement that okay.  
Speaker 1     02:22:51    And I will let Mr. Clark in now also, so he can be on the lookout  
Speaker 2     02:22:58    And we put that, well, someone put that in the, for the  
Speaker 1     02:23:00    Motion Ms. Smith, before you do that, I would just open to the public. Generally. You had opened for each witness, but just generally, if the public has any comments before you entertain a motion,  
Speaker 2     02:23:12    Okay. To the public, anyone who has a question or a comment on any of the witnesses that have appeared before you tonight, there were four witnesses dealing with all aspects of this particular project. Anyone who has a question you may presented at this time, please come forward, state your name, your address, and any comments or questions you may have  
Speaker 1     02:23:42    And tell if Ms  typing  
Speaker 2     02:23:47    Mr. Z, are you typing?  
Speaker 1     02:23:49    Okay. Just bear with us. We'll just No need to apologize to new normal  
Speaker 1     02:24:33    I'm in for Ms.  is her cook says quote, common. That's screened to residential. We'll have enough evergreens to screen light during winter months. I am on the corner of Leatherwood and river road. I don't know if Mr. McDonald wants to comment that based on his other expertise or Mr. Sparrow, the evergreens on the screen during the winter months. But I think the point being, they are evergreen. So that's why the screen will be there.  
Speaker 10    02:25:09    That's right. And as you heard through Ms. Cheryl's testimony, there's essentially a pool of plants that the applicant is providing to supplement that I'm sure the applicant would be willing to work for the poor professionals to effectively fill any  
Speaker 2     02:25:23    Gas so that there is not the light suspense until the adjacent land. So Mr. Hinterstein is very good at Barrett's duly noted. Do we see anyone else who might have a comment from the, from the public Ms. Buckley  
Speaker 0     02:25:45    Not see anyone  
Speaker 2     02:25:47    And no one else is in the chat room. I think we've given them ample opportunity to come forward. Okay. With someone like to make that motion.  
Speaker 6     02:26:04    Madam chair, I like to make a motion that we attended the application subject to the staff report prepared by Mr. Hinterstein. The CME report department of public works report. Let's see here, the, as the applicant would enter into a developer's agreement with the township, in addition to working with Mr. Hinterstein, our township landscape architect, to assure that the residents protected with a 50 foot residential buffer, just to make sure that there is ample landscaping and that it is properly maintained. And I think I have anyone have anything else that I missed. Anything  
Speaker 2     02:26:52    Along with anything else the applicant agreed to during the course of the presentation. Okay. And I don't collect it all  
Speaker 6     02:26:59    The, during it as a pilot agreement with the township for every development.  
Speaker 2     02:27:04    Yeah. Is there a second, a second? Who was that? Is that Carol fonder. Thank you. Roll call. Ms. Buckley, please.  
Speaker 0     02:27:19    Mayor Wahler Councilwoman Cahill. Yeah. Ms. Corcoran. Yeah. Ms. Saunders. Yeah. Reverend Kenny He's muted. Robert hit star six. Mr. Espinosa.  
Speaker 2     02:27:49    Yes.  
Speaker 0     02:27:51    Reverend Kenny and areas. Madam chair. Yes.  
Speaker 2     02:27:59    And we're off. Thank you everyone. If you Mr. Foster, leave this buck. No, no.  
Speaker 0     02:28:06    We only needed seven. Gotcha.  
Speaker 2     02:28:15    Okay.  
Speaker 0     02:28:16    Thank you.  
Speaker 2     02:28:17    Thank you everyone. We have another item on the agenda. Yeah. Item number 11. A motion to pay the bills. Second can roll. Call  
Speaker 0     02:28:33    Mayor Wahler. Yeah. Councilwoman Cahill. Yeah. Ms. Corcoran. Ms. Saunders. Yeah. Wherever Kenny, Mr. Espinosa. Yes. And Madam chair. Yes.  
Speaker 2     02:28:53    Thank you everyone. To this meeting  
Speaker 0     02:28:56    Done.  
Speaker 2     02:28:57    Motion to adjourn. Our next meeting is October the 14th,  
Speaker 0     02:29:03    Correct? Thank you. Have a good day.  
Speaker 2     02:29:07    And everyone bye-bye  
Speaker 7     02:29:31    Yeah.  
Speaker 0     02:29:37    Oh, we will. Thank you mayor. Good night. My other sheet, she  
Speaker 7     02:29:45    10 o'clock.  
Speaker 0     02:29:48    No, go ahead. I have to wait for this thing to convert. I can't leave it. I've done it before. I'll do it again. Tomorrow. I parked in the back. I like in the back because people don't see my car up front I'm here. I know I saw you called all day. One of the way cars. I can't even empty the trucks and I, all those groceries. I'm going to sit in there. What's funny. When I pick Madison up, I had her cheese sticks, had the elders in here. She was like, where's my stuff. I'm like, I have to work. I forgot. So I bought her book it anyway. She was having, yeah, I think that like, it was like shop right or no, the morning you're up early, like 9:00 AM to do it in the morning. What do you want me to I'll wait, no, go. No, this thing takes a few moves to convert. Yeah, I'm going to clean up real fast. Go ahead. Text me at home. I will have a nice carefully thank you to work in birding.  
Speaker 7     02:31:28    You are  14 to 15.  .