Transcript for Piscataway Zoning meeting on August 14 2025

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Speaker 0     00:00:13    Zoning Board of Adjustment meeting will please come to order. Adequate notice of this meeting was provided in the following ways. Notice published in the Courier News notice posted on the bulletin board of the municipal Building notice made available to the township clerk Notice sent to the Courier News and the star ledger. Will the clerk please call the roll?  
Speaker 1     00:00:32    Gimme one second. I lost my sheet.  
Speaker 0     00:00:34    No, take your time.  
Speaker 1     00:00:36    Just trying to get your rezos done. Hold on. Courtney, I lost my sheet, my, my book sheet. Thank you. Okay. Thank God, miss Goodness. Courtney's here. Okay, Mr. Weisman. Mr. Patel? Yes. Mr. Regio? Yes. Mr. Blo. Mr. Hika Here. Mr. Mitterando here and Chairman Kale Here.  
Speaker 0     00:01:14    Well, everyone please stand for salute to the flag.  
Speaker 1     00:01:17    Mr. Roy is here.  
Speaker 0     00:01:19    Thanks, Roy. I pleasure. Allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic public stands, one Nation under God and justice for all. Mr. Canal, do we have any changes to tonight's agenda?  
Speaker 2     00:01:37    Yes, we have quite a few changes. The application of Jimenez on Mitchell Avenue has been withdrawn and will not be heard. The Sony application Hamilton Boulevard is adjourned until September 18th, 2025 with no further notice. Delton Black is adjourned. South second Street is adjourned until September 18th with no further notice. The Lopez application, Howard Street, adjourned until September 25th with no further notice. The MENA application, old New Brunswick Road, is adjourned until September 25th. They must notice the Rouse application on Southwest Court is adjourned until October 9th. They must notice. Finally, venture Act hose lane is adjourned until September 25th. No further notice. Those are all the changes I have. Mr. Chairman.  
Speaker 0     00:02:26    Thank you, sir. I appreciate that. Let's move on to item number 7 25 dash ZB dash 51 V. Vipul Patel  
Speaker 2     00:02:37    Is Vapo Patel. Present is Vapo p Patel present. Laura, do you see the applicant?  
Speaker 1     00:02:52    No, I do not. Just go to number eight. Got  
Speaker 0     00:02:54    It. I  
Speaker 1     00:02:55    I think he is here. It's at Meet mute. I, yes. Oh, he just muted himself. Wait, he's back. Okay.  
Speaker 2     00:03:02    Are you Vital Patel?  
Speaker 1     00:03:05    Hit unmute. You muted again?  
Speaker 3     00:03:09    Yes. There you go. Patel. Don't touch. Dave,  
Speaker 2     00:03:12    I need to swear you in. Could you raise your right hand? Do you swear that the testimony you're about to give should be the truth?  
Speaker 3     00:03:20    Yes.  
Speaker 2     00:03:21    Your name and address please?  
Speaker 3     00:03:23    VI Patel. 11 Christopher Court, Picard, New Jersey 0 8 8 5 4. Thank  
Speaker 2     00:03:29    You. Put your hand down and explain to the board why you're here.  
Speaker 3     00:03:35    I didn't, I didn't understand you, sir.  
Speaker 2     00:03:38    Explain to the board why you're here. Why are you before the board? Yes.  
Speaker 3     00:03:44    I wanna put the fans on my property.  
Speaker 0     00:03:50    Okay. Jonathan, do you have some que comments on this, sir?  
Speaker 4     00:03:55    Yes. Thank you. Mr. Patel, have you read this staff report dated June 11th,  
Speaker 3     00:04:01    June 11? Yes.  
Speaker 4     00:04:03    Do you agree with all the terms of that staff report?  
Speaker 3     00:04:07    Yes, sir.  
Speaker 4     00:04:08    And you understand that no offense permit will be approved until a memorandum of restriction is recorded.  
Speaker 3     00:04:15    What is that means?  
Speaker 4     00:04:18    Item four. In the report, it states that if the township needs to access the easement, you will encumber all costs associated with the removal and replacement of the fence or anything else you have within the easement area. So it's a document that says that you agree to that?  
Speaker 3     00:04:36    Yes.  
Speaker 4     00:04:37    Okay. Okay. No, no further comments or questions. Thank you.  
Speaker 0     00:04:40    Any other, any other comments or questions from the board? Hearing none, I'm gonna open it to the public. Anyone in the public portion have any comments or questions about this application?  
Speaker 1     00:04:54    No. One chairman. Hey,  
Speaker 0     00:04:55    Laura, close the public portion. I'd make a motion to approve this application. Can I get a second? I'll  
Speaker 2     00:05:00    Second it.  
Speaker 0     00:05:00    Thanks. Call the roll.  
Speaker 1     00:05:03    Mr. Patel.  
Speaker 3     00:05:04    Yes? Yes.  
Speaker 1     00:05:05    Mr. Regio Roy is here. Mr. Blo? Mr. Haka? Yes. Mr. Mitterando? Yes. And Chairman Cahill?  
Speaker 0     00:05:18    Yes.  
Speaker 2     00:05:19    Your application has been approved. We will memorialize it in a written document at our next meeting and we'll send that document to you.  
Speaker 3     00:05:26    Thank you, sir.  
Speaker 0     00:05:27    Thank you. Have a good night. Mr. Patel.  
Speaker 1     00:05:29    Chairman. Mr. Weston's trying to get on. He's having a connection problem.  
Speaker 0     00:05:32    Okay. Just let us know when he gets in.  
Speaker 1     00:05:34    I shall. Thank you.  
Speaker 0     00:05:35    In meantime, let's move on to item number 8 25 dash ZB dash 22 V. Steven ENSs.  
Speaker 2     00:05:44    Is Steven Eden's present? Yes. I need to swear you in. Could you raise your right hand? Yes. Do you swear that the testimony, the give should be the truth?  
Speaker 3     00:05:54    Yes.  
Speaker 2     00:05:55    Your name and address please?  
Speaker 5     00:05:57    Steven l Eden. One Vogel Avenue, Piscataway, New Jersey.  
Speaker 0     00:06:02    Thanks. Could you explain to the board why you're here?  
Speaker 5     00:06:06    Because of my fence and a shed. I want, I, I'm requesting a variance on it, I guess.  
Speaker 0     00:06:15    Okay. Hey Jonathan, you have some comments about this one as well?  
Speaker 4     00:06:19    Yes. So, similarly, have you, have you read the May 22nd staff report memorandum?  
Speaker 5     00:06:25    Yes.  
Speaker 4     00:06:26    Okay. Do you agree with all the, the terms of that report?  
Speaker 5     00:06:30    Yes.  
Speaker 4     00:06:32    Including that the shed be removed, the fence along William Street be brought in 15 feet from the property line, not the curb. The property line and the fence along Vogel will be brought in with the in line with the garage.  
Speaker 5     00:06:44    I would like not to have to do that. I, I would request that the fence remain where it is in the shed. Also,  
Speaker 4     00:06:55    The fence is required to be 25 feet from the property line. So 15 feet is a, a good compromise. It's more than half.  
Speaker 0     00:07:08    We could insist on the original. We're trying to compromise here and make it work for both parties here.  
Speaker 5     00:07:16    So you are requesting that you are ordering that defense be brought in 15 feet from the curb?  
Speaker 4     00:07:24    From the property line?  
Speaker 5     00:07:26    From the property line. I don't think I have that much property.  
Speaker 4     00:07:34    It would result in the fence being 20 scale.  
Speaker 5     00:07:40    It's only been there since 1983. I know that doesn't matter, but it's been there since 1983  
Speaker 4     00:07:48    On the back corner of your house. It would give you about 10 feet from the corner of your house to the pro to the fence line along William Street.  
Speaker 6     00:07:59    How about a  
Speaker 5     00:08:00    Four foot fence? What if I just took the front portion down and put a four foot fence  
Speaker 4     00:08:09    Up? You would be allowed to do that.  
Speaker 5     00:08:14    Okay. Well, I guess that's what I have to do. What would I be doing? Just the front or what, what portion would I have to drop it down? The four feet,  
Speaker 4     00:08:28    The portion in front of the garage along Vogel and the portion along the, the side of the house that fronts the intersection of William and Vogel.  
Speaker 5     00:08:40    Okay.  
Speaker 0     00:08:42    What about the shed, Jonathan?  
Speaker 4     00:08:44    The shed should be, the shed should be removed. You're, you're way over on your building coverage.  
Speaker 5     00:08:50    Shed has to be removed  
Speaker 6     00:08:54    By when?  
Speaker 5     00:08:55    By when.  
Speaker 4     00:08:58    We can, when you come in for the fence permit, we can agree to a term that's suitable for you.  
Speaker 1     00:09:03    Chairman. It has to be in the resolution when we have to do this. 'cause we have 90 days agreeable. Could be 90 days. 120 days.  
Speaker 0     00:09:10    90 days. About  
Speaker 5     00:09:12    What? About 180 days. I've just had major surgery and unable to do a whole lot of things right now. I had a triple bypass. My wife's recovering from cancer.  
Speaker 4     00:09:25    180 is agreeable.  
Speaker 0     00:09:26    Yeah. Six months is fine. Mr. Edens, we can do that.  
Speaker 5     00:09:30    Okay.  
Speaker 0     00:09:31    Alright. Front  
Speaker 7     00:09:32    Of the fence needs to be brought to four feet.  
Speaker 5     00:09:35    The front, the front of the fence needs to be four feet. Right? About  
Speaker 7     00:09:39    William Street?  
Speaker 5     00:09:40    Yes. William Street, side and VO as it is just the front portion, four feet,  
Speaker 4     00:09:47    The front along William and the front along vo.  
Speaker 7     00:09:50    So that's the lha.  
Speaker 5     00:09:53    Okay. So the L shape running down Williams Street has to be dropped to four feet. The whole thing. Really? The whole thing has to be four feet then, right?  
Speaker 4     00:10:06    Yes. It's a small property. So, yes.  
Speaker 1     00:10:09    But Jonathan, does it have to be 50% or it can't be solid? Correct.  
Speaker 4     00:10:17    Oh, if, if he wants to ask for solid, he can, but he wouldn't need the, he wouldn't need the variance for 50%.  
Speaker 1     00:10:23    Well, yeah. So just so we know when he comes in, what he's going for. Can, can he do the four foot solid  
Speaker 0     00:10:29    Mr. Eds, are you doing four foot solid or 50%? Yes. Four. Four foot.  
Speaker 5     00:10:34    Yeah. Four foot solid. I would hope to do  
Speaker 0     00:10:37    Okay. We can live with that.  
Speaker 4     00:10:42    No further, no further questions.  
Speaker 0     00:10:43    Okay. Any other, okay. Any other members of the board have any questions or comments? Okay. Hearing none, I'm gonna open it to the public. Anyone in the public, including children and babies, if they have any comments or questions. Are you able to put a sides, a nine foot? Anything? Laura? Nine.  
Speaker 1     00:11:05    No one chairman.  
Speaker 0     00:11:07    Okay. Close the public portion. I'd make a motion to approve this application. Amended through Jonathan's comments. Can I get a second? Thank you. Please call the roll.  
Speaker 1     00:11:18    Mr. Weisman  
Speaker 0     00:11:19    Here? Yes. Mr.  
Speaker 1     00:11:20    Patel? Yes.  
Speaker 5     00:11:21    Mr.  
Speaker 1     00:11:22    Mr. Regio? Yes. Mr. Heka? Yes. Mr. Mitterando? Yes. And Chairman Cahill?  
Speaker 0     00:11:28    Yes.  
Speaker 2     00:11:30    Your application as amended has been approved. We'll memorialize it in a written document at our next meeting and we'll mail that document to you. Good luck.  
Speaker 0     00:11:37    Goodnight. Ms. Proceeds move on to item number 10 25 dash ZB dash 57 B. Ava Roy?  
Speaker 5     00:11:48    Yes, I'm here.  
Speaker 2     00:11:50    Mr. Roy, I need to swear you in. Could you raise your right hand?  
Speaker 8     00:11:54    Yes.  
Speaker 2     00:11:55    Do you swear that the testimony you're about to give should be the truth?  
Speaker 8     00:11:58    Yes. Only truth, nothing but truth.  
Speaker 2     00:12:01    Thank you. Explain to the board why you're here.  
Speaker 8     00:12:06    Yeah. I'm here for, I requested for a, to construct a roof over my porch, front porch in front of the front door. So we need this roof. We would like to have, especially during rain and snow, so that you can step out of the house and during snow it sometime the porch becomes icy and it's a hazardous situation. Sure. So, so I need to have the roof. Another thing is that any, anytime I have a home delivery from Amazon or Walmart or Home Depot, the item will be lying on the open. In the open and if it rains and something, you know, so, so I would like to have this porch built, the roof built on, on top of existing front porch.  
Speaker 0     00:12:59    Understood, sir. Very valid ideas there. So, Jonathan, do you have any comments on this as well, sir?  
Speaker 4     00:13:06    Yes. Since Mr. Roy has received prior front yard setback variances and a conversation that I had with Mr. Roy prior to this meeting, we're gonna ask that the, the covering over the front entrance be four feet deep instead of the five that's being requested, four feet in line with what's there existing. So it's more so just covering what's there now rather than expanding and covering. Is that agreeable, Mr. Roy? Yeah.  
Speaker 8     00:13:37    Yeah. Actually, right now it is from the property line 30. If you do five feet, it's from the property line, it's 33.8 feet and the dwelling is 38.8 from the property line. So if I do four feet, then it'll be 34.8, and if I do five feet, then it'll be 33.8 feet. Okay. So I, I would prefer five feet, but you know, it's up to you, you know.  
Speaker 4     00:14:09    Okay. If you, if you agree to four feet, we're agreeable to that. Yeah.  
Speaker 0     00:14:13    I think we can move ahead with this Mr. Roy, if you agree to four foot footprint,  
Speaker 1     00:14:20    But chairman, show the rec record that Mr. Blo has joined us.  
Speaker 0     00:14:24    Okay.  
Speaker 1     00:14:25    Before this one, so he could vote.  
Speaker 0     00:14:26    Right. And I see Mr. Weissman's on as well.  
Speaker 1     00:14:29    Yes, correct. Thank you.  
Speaker 0     00:14:31    Okay. Mr. Roy, are we agreeable with the four foot footprint?  
Speaker 8     00:14:36    Yeah, the five foot will not be allowed or what? No, it's,  
Speaker 0     00:14:39    It's, it's recommended that we go with the forefoot and I can guarantee you I can a very, a good outcome on our vote if you go with the forefoot.  
Speaker 8     00:14:47    Okay.  
Speaker 0     00:14:48    Okay. Any other members of the board have any questions or comments for this applicant hearing now I'm gonna open it to the public. Anyone on the public have any comments or questions for this application?  
Speaker 10    00:14:58    I have one. One.  
Speaker 0     00:15:00    Oh, sure.  
Speaker 10    00:15:01    Couldn't, couldn't, you said the four.  
Speaker 2     00:15:04    Hold on. You need, hold on. You need to identify yourself. Oh, okay. And I need you doing  
Speaker 10    00:15:09    My name. Okay. What do you,  
Speaker 2     00:15:11    What, what's your name, sir?  
Speaker 10    00:15:13    Alonzo Bryant.  
Speaker 2     00:15:15    And your address?  
Speaker 10    00:15:17    Six Jersey Avenue, Piscataway, New Jersey.  
Speaker 2     00:15:19    Thank you. Could you raise your right hand? I need to swear you in.  
Speaker 10    00:15:22    Sure.  
Speaker 2     00:15:23    Do you swear that the testimony you're about to give should be the truth?  
Speaker 10    00:15:27    Yes, definitely the truth.  
Speaker 2     00:15:29    Go ahead with your question or comment, sir.  
Speaker 10    00:15:31    My comment, comment was, is the gentleman in question, is he aware that the four foot footprint is just the concrete on the ground? The roof could stick out five foot because it, I mean, I think he's worried about the overhang. The footprint is a concrete base. If he wants the overhang slightly bigger, that's not part of the foundation. So he should be able to get that Right.  
Speaker 0     00:15:57    It's not the recommendation that we're getting from our engineering department.  
Speaker 10    00:16:01    The foot, your eng I'm sorry, I I for your engineering is called always calls the footprint, the building itself. Right.  
Speaker 0     00:16:08    I call, I called it the footprint of the, of the porch that he's trying to cover.  
Speaker 4     00:16:13    We have the, we have the drawings. We have the drawings that were submitted as part of this application. It's showing, it's showing five feet.  
Speaker 10    00:16:19    For the footprint or for the roof?  
Speaker 2     00:16:22    For the roof.  
Speaker 8     00:16:23    Roof. The porch is, sorry. The porch is four feet. Right. Four feet width for porch. Right. But the but the roof can be one feet more than the porch. That's what I think.  
Speaker 10    00:16:36    That's  
Speaker 0     00:16:37    Right. We're proposing, we're proposing that it covers the footprint of the porch at four feet. That's what we're that's what we're promoting.  
Speaker 8     00:16:46    The roof. The, the roof roof has to be four feet, just above the porch. If  
Speaker 0     00:16:52    You agree on that, we can move forward.  
Speaker 10    00:16:54    Okay. One more thing. But don't, most homes, every home actually out here, don't they all roofs, all overhang The footprint,  
Speaker 0     00:17:02    Not the, you're talking about the roofs on the actual structure. You're talking about a porch roof. A porch roof doesn't necessarily go out further. No,  
Speaker 10    00:17:09    No. The roof on every foundation out here extends past the foundation.  
Speaker 4     00:17:14    Mr. Brian this,  
Speaker 2     00:17:15    If they don't need a front yard setback variance, that's fine. This application needs a front yard setback variance. That's why this application  
Speaker 4     00:17:24    And they previously were granted a front yard setback. So we, we are not granting further relief from that front yard  
Speaker 10    00:17:30    Setback. Understood.  
Speaker 0     00:17:32    Okay. Thank you sir for your comments. Laura, anyone else in the public portion? No. Chairman. Okay. Close the public portion. I take the motion to approve this application with the four roof.  
Speaker 2     00:17:44    Second,  
Speaker 0     00:17:46    Can I get a call roll call  
Speaker 1     00:17:48    Mr. Weisman? Yes. Mr. Patel? Yes. Mr. Regio? Yes. Mr. Bla? Yes. Mr. Haka? Yes. Mr. Mitterando? Yes. And Chairman Cahill?  
Speaker 0     00:17:59    Yes.  
Speaker 2     00:18:02    Your application's been approved as amended. We'll memorialize it at our next meeting and send a copy to you. Good luck.  
Speaker 0     00:18:08    Thank you. Thank you Mr. Roy. Thank you. Move on to item 1125 dash ZB dash 52 V Alonzo O'Brien. Right back in the game. Take yourself off mute, sir.  
Speaker 10    00:18:23    Okay,  
Speaker 0     00:18:23    There you go. You're good to go.  
Speaker 2     00:18:25    It may seem ridiculous, but I have to swear you in again because you raise your right hand. Do you swear that the testimony you're about to give should be the truth?  
Speaker 10    00:18:32    Yes. Absolute truth.  
Speaker 2     00:18:34    Thank you. Could you explain to the board while you're here?  
Speaker 10    00:18:37    Yes. I need, I can show you. I, it is a, we need an air condition on my building 'cause it has water in it. I have a bathroom and, and I need to keep the water pipe. It's A-H-V-A-C system I'm putting in 'cause it is my workshop. And we want to bring the air condition on this side of the fence with lead, which would lead me only, I supposed to be 10 feet. It'll only lead me eight foot from the fence. But my fence is, you can see is a six foot fence. It goes all the way around and my neighbor next to me has no problem with it. Okay. So that's  
Speaker 0     00:19:11    Understood. Jonathan, you want  
Speaker 4     00:19:15    Yeah. What's the, what's the nature of the workshop?  
Speaker 10    00:19:18    Well, the nature of the workshop is first for me, I'm a contractor and second off is, 'cause we have a dog. Right. And my wife does not want the dog taking a bath in the house. So the re original reason I even built the building to begin with is because she wants my, my daughter takes care of the dog and she wants the hair out of our tub. So I put, built the building so that with the dog shower in it, you know, so she, we watched the dog to take the dog out back and do it. And I was like, well, since I'm in it, I already had a shed. 'cause that's already on my permit. You'll see that I just extended this to allow space for her to work and me still have my workshop. I do a lot of, you know, different miscellaneous hobbies.  
Speaker 4     00:20:00    Okay. And we, we recognize, we recognize that, that that conversion did happen in 2019. You listed it as a cab proposed cabana to accompany a pool there, there's no pool on the property. Correct? Yeah.  
Speaker 10    00:20:13    Right.  
Speaker 4     00:20:14    Okay. So this structure being used as a, as a workshop kind of extends beyond what a cabana would be used for. It sounds like you're also using it for your business, which is not permitted.  
Speaker 10    00:20:30    I'm no, keep, no, it is not for my business. I have, I have my truck and I have a shop. That's my hobbies that what I do is, you know, I I fix things, I just do it. 'cause that's what I can do. It's not, I'm not getting paid for that. That's like everything my wife wants, rather than me tearing up my house with, you know, how much tools I have because of I am a tradesman. I keep  
Speaker 0     00:20:53    So you're not operating a business out of that?  
Speaker 10    00:20:55    Oh no, I'm definitely not.  
Speaker 4     00:20:57    Okay. Okay. And there's no, there's no other way you can move this HVAC equipment to the o other side of the structure.  
Speaker 10    00:21:03    See, I personally wanted to put it on the other side of the structure, but I ran into a problem with my wife. She was saying that if you notice my property itself right behind my house, I have two air conditions feeding my existing house and the air conditions are not, I mean, they're right next to my patio, my deck and my wife claims that when they cut on and we have company, she's on the deck, it makes a lot of noise. That's those two, if I put this air conditioner on the same side of the building, it'll be pretty much close to these two and then she's gonna complain it out. So that was the only reason I even, it, you know, went out this extra $500 to try to ask for this variance because, you know, I have to, I'm putting a lot of work in, I have to So make an effort to try to please her as well.  
Speaker 0     00:21:50    Understood. Sir, we're a bunch of us are married, so we all know.  
Speaker 4     00:21:55    Would you, would you agree to a deed restriction that this won't be used for any, any form of occupancy or business  
Speaker 10    00:22:01    Y Yeah, you are. They've already given me, you gave me that for my first, the fir when you first approved the building. So yes, I agree to it. It's already in writing. Y'all gave me a memo with that already on it. This can never be used as an occupancy.  
Speaker 4     00:22:14    Alright. And I'll, I'll hold any other comments if there's neighbors that come out.  
Speaker 0     00:22:19    Yeah, that's what I was saying the same thing. Let's open it to the public and find out if he has any neighbors that have any issues with this. First and foremost, does anyone else on the board have any questions or comments? Hearing none, I'm gonna open it to the public. Anyone on the public portion have any comments or questions? I  
Speaker 1     00:22:36    No. One chairman.  
Speaker 0     00:22:37    Okay. Close the public portion. Yes. And Jonathan, with no comments from the public, I'm gonna go ahead and approve this application. Can I get a second? I'll second. Second  
Speaker 4     00:22:48    It.  
Speaker 0     00:22:49    Alright.  
Speaker 8     00:22:50    I have something to say. Yes. The the porch, the porch in length is eight feet. But from the door, door is not center centerly placed. It's not in the center. So one side in the porch, I might have increased one feet or two feet. This is, I'm talking about the length, not the width, which will be four, four feet. Okay. Which will be four feet.  
Speaker 0     00:23:15    Mr. Chairman, we're done with that application. Yeah. Mr. Roy, we already took the vote on that. I'm sorry. Okay.  
Speaker 8     00:23:20    Okay.  
Speaker 0     00:23:21    No, that's fine. And again, we, we have to be on this zoom call. You can, you can go enjoy your evening if you want.  
Speaker 8     00:23:27    Okay.  
Speaker 0     00:23:29    Laura, gimme a call. A roll call on the Mr. Bryant.  
Speaker 1     00:23:32    Mr. Weisman? Yes. Mr. Patel? Yes. Mr. Reggio? Yes. Mr. Blanc?  
Speaker 0     00:23:38    Yes.  
Speaker 1     00:23:39    Mr. Heka? Yes. Mr. Mitterando? Yes. And Chairman Cahill?  
Speaker 0     00:23:44    Yes.  
Speaker 2     00:23:45    Mr. Bryant, your application's been approved. We'll memorialize this in a written document in our next meeting and we'll mail that document to you. Good luck. Thank you.  
Speaker 0     00:23:53    Goodnight sir. Let's move on to item number 12 24 25 dash ZB dash 26 V. Heather fam  
Speaker 2     00:24:02    Is Heather President?  
Speaker 1     00:24:07    I'm gonna be honest. Probably not.  
Speaker 2     00:24:10    You don't, you don't see her, Laura?  
Speaker 1     00:24:12    No. Well they have a friend helping them with this and communication is very difficult to say. The least they did notice.  
Speaker 0     00:24:21    Well, let's skip and  
Speaker 1     00:24:22    We'll skip them and by the end, if not, we'll push to the next meeting. Got  
Speaker 0     00:24:26    It. Let's go on to item number 1325 dash ZB dash 23 Muslim Center of Middlesex County. Mr. Arch here.  
Speaker 1     00:24:38    David's gonna do this one.  
Speaker 0     00:24:40    Oh, okay. Is he on?  
Speaker 1     00:24:45    Yes. David,  
Speaker 11    00:24:46    Apologize. I couldn't figure out how to get it unmuted  
Speaker 1     00:24:51    That kind of day.  
Speaker 11    00:24:52    Good evening Board chair members of the board, David Psad from Bob Smith and Associates here tonight for the application for the Muslim Center of Middles six County Mc m mc. It is a final major subdivision application. The property is located on 1000 hose lane East Piscataway, New Jersey Block 1 2 2 0 1 lots, three, four, and 9.03. As I said before, we are looking for a final major subdivision. The board had granted a preliminary, preliminary final sub preliminary major subdivision in October of 2020. And I would like to tell to the board that the, all the conditions of the preliminary approval have been met. So we are seeking tonight the final approval for the subdivision and then the consolidation of all the lots into New Lot 9.04. As a board is aware, we do not get scheduled for final major subdivisions unless all the conditions of preliminary are met. But just in case there are any questions, I do have our engineer, Mr. Sharif Ali present to answer any questions of the board or if there's anything that comes up regarding the preliminary approval. So with that, I welcome any questions or confirmations needed by the board members or professionals to Mr. Sharif Ali. And that's all I have for this application. Thank  
Speaker 0     00:26:16    You. Thank you David. Jonathan, you have any comments on this one or? No? Thank you. Okay. Fair enough. If all the conditions had been met that was set forth prior, I don't think we have a problem with this. Does anyone on the board have any questions or comments about proceeding? Hearing none, I'll open it to the public. Anyone of the public have any comments or questions about this application or this depart? May none. Okay. Yeah, I'd make a motion to approve this final subdivision. Can I get a second? I'll second it. You vote?  
Speaker 1     00:26:54    Vote. Mr. Weisman? Yes. Mr. Patel? Yes. Mr. Regio? Yes. Mr. Blanc? Yes. Mr. Heka? Yes. Mr. Mitterando? Yes. And Chairman Cahill?  
Speaker 0     00:27:06    Yes.  
Speaker 2     00:27:07    We'll, we'll memorialize this to our next meeting and send you a copy to you. Thank you. Board members. I'll be on here for another application later on.  
Speaker 0     00:27:15    We'll see you in a couple minutes then let's move on to item number 1625 dash ZB dash 60 v. Tyra Gani.  
Speaker 12    00:27:25    Yes sir.  
Speaker 0     00:27:27    Good evening.  
Speaker 12    00:27:28    Good evening. I need,  
Speaker 2     00:27:29    I need to swear you in. Could you raise your right hand?  
Speaker 1     00:27:39    I  
Speaker 2     00:27:39    Got it. You swear that the testimony you're about to give shall be the truth.  
Speaker 0     00:27:42    Thanks  
Speaker 12    00:27:43    Lord. I swear.  
Speaker 2     00:27:44    Thank you. Your name and address please?  
Speaker 12    00:27:47    Hira Gani. 5 1 9 Linwood Street, Piscataway, New Jersey 0 8 8 5 4.  
Speaker 2     00:27:52    Thank you. Could you explain to the board why you're here?  
Speaker 12    00:27:55    Sure. I'm installing fence and I want to request for a variance. I want to appeal for 10 feet off the property line along Buttonwood Street. I have a 18 month old toddler and a severely autistic nonverbal five-year-old son who has elopement risk and no safety awareness. The reason I'm putting the fence is because of my son's safety. I cannot take my son to public parks because it's not gated. He runs away from me and it's like a marathon. I cannot take him to most places because people look at him weird and he gets very overstimulated. I want to appeal for more space because I don't really have a backyard. I have a side yard. I just want enough safe space for him where he can just run freely and I can have space for a outdoor sensory gym for him. And also if I'm spending money on fence, I would rather have more space for my son. My neighbors are aware. The one I share backyard with, they're okay with it. If necessary, I can absolutely provide doctor's mode if it's needed.  
Speaker 0     00:29:01    Okay. Jonathan, you have anything on this application, sir?  
Speaker 4     00:29:09    40 feet is required from Buttonwood. So we're staff is requesting 20 feet from the property line where 40 is required.  
Speaker 0     00:29:22    Terry, you understand we're trying to come to a compromise.  
Speaker 12    00:29:25    I completely understand. I really, really appreciate it. It is just that I would like to appeal for more space. If I can get 10 feet off the property line, just for his sake, I really need it for him.  
Speaker 4     00:29:42    So that would, the proposal of moving it back 10 feet would reduce the area by about 600 square feet. So I, I mean we could do  
Speaker 0     00:30:02    15,  
Speaker 4     00:30:04    We could do 15  
Speaker 0     00:30:07    Here. Is that okay? More than a compromise? 15 is, you know, we're bending over backwards because of the situation your family's in.  
Speaker 12    00:30:16    Sure.  
Speaker 0     00:30:19    I can, I can give you a, again, not a pretty much a good guarantee that you'll have a positive outcome if you agree on the 15th,  
Speaker 12    00:30:27    15 feet off Buttonwood property line.  
Speaker 4     00:30:32    Yes. So 15 feet off the property line is about 25 feet off of the, the curb or about 17 feet from the back of the sidewalk, if that helps.  
Speaker 12    00:30:53    Okay. And even with medical documentation, I cannot have 10 feet off the property line. Even if I provide doctor's note,  
Speaker 0     00:31:04    Unfortunately here it sets a press, it sets a precedent. And even your neighbors who don't have situation that you're in technically could come in and, and ask for the same request.  
Speaker 12    00:31:16    Okay. So  
Speaker 0     00:31:17    I, we we can, I think that if you can live with the 15, it's more than generous and I think you'd be very happy with it. Okay. I know. Okay. Patients and I, I feel for your position, excuse me.  
Speaker 2     00:31:27    Sure.  
Speaker 0     00:31:27    But I, I think 15 everyone makes will be happy at this situation.  
Speaker 12    00:31:32    Sure. Then I'll take that. Okay.  
Speaker 0     00:31:34    And any other members of the board have any questions or comments? Hearing none, I'd like to open it to the public. Anyone in the public have any comments or questions about this application? Laura?  
Speaker 1     00:31:46    Me, I have James Grogan. Gogan? Yes. Raise?  
Speaker 14    00:31:54    Yes, sir.  
Speaker 2     00:31:57    In could you raise your right hand? My,  
Speaker 14    00:31:58    My question is, okay,  
Speaker 1     00:32:01    Lower your computer down. You're echoing.  
Speaker 2     00:32:06    Sir, I need to swear you in. Could you raise your right hand? I raised Do you swear that the testimony you're about to give shall be the truth?  
Speaker 14    00:32:18    Yes.  
Speaker 2     00:32:20    Do I have your name and address please?  
Speaker 14    00:32:22    James Gagan. Nine Hedge Street, Skyway.  
Speaker 2     00:32:27    Thank you. Go ahead with your question or comment.  
Speaker 14    00:32:30    So the Linwood Street is one of the two main en entrance and exit out of this development. And I just wanna make sure that this fence is gonna not gonna go anywhere near the front yard at all. 'cause that'll block the area when you're trying to turn to see whether any cars are coming.  
Speaker 1     00:32:56    Mr. And Ms. Razzi, how many feet is it from gonna be from the curb? Approximately  
Speaker 4     00:33:01    From the curb will be about  
Speaker 1     00:33:03    On the side street,  
Speaker 4     00:33:04    On the, on Buttonwood, it's going to be  
Speaker 1     00:33:13    Probably about 18 to 20 feet. And with the right of way  
Speaker 4     00:33:17    About 25 feet.  
Speaker 1     00:33:19    Oh, even more.  
Speaker 0     00:33:21    Okay.  
Speaker 4     00:33:21    From the, from the curb on, on Buttonwood.  
Speaker 9     00:33:24    Okay.  
Speaker 0     00:33:25    So no issues with line of sight?  
Speaker 1     00:33:26    Correct.  
Speaker 0     00:33:27    Okay. You okay Mr. Gi?  
Speaker 14    00:33:31    Yeah, thank you.  
Speaker 0     00:33:32    You're welcome, sir. Have a good night. Thank you. Anyone else? Laura?  
Speaker 1     00:33:36    No, sir.  
Speaker 0     00:33:37    Okay. Close the public portion. I'd make a motion to approve this application. I'll second call. Roll. Thank  
Speaker 1     00:33:45    You so much. Thank you so much everyone. You're welcome. Mr. Weissman? Yes. Mr. Patel? Yes. Mr. Regio? Yes. Mr. Bla?  
Speaker 0     00:33:53    Yes.  
Speaker 1     00:33:54    Mr. Hika? Yes. Mr. Mitterando? Yes. And Chairman Cahill?  
Speaker 0     00:33:58    Yes.  
Speaker 2     00:34:00    Your application as amended has been approved. We will memorialize it in a written document at our next meeting and we'll send that document to you. Good luck. Thank  
Speaker 1     00:34:07    You.  
Speaker 0     00:34:08    Good luck, ma'am. Let's move on to item number 17. Shyla and Sona Patel?  
Speaker 15    00:34:17    Yes. Hello,  
Speaker 2     00:34:19    Sono Patel. Okay. I need to swear you in. Could you raise your right hand? Do you swear that the testimony you give shall be the truth?  
Speaker 15    00:34:27    Sure. Yes, I do.  
Speaker 2     00:34:29    Your name and address please.  
Speaker 15    00:34:31    Australia, San Patel. Nine nine Lucille Court. Pisca.  
Speaker 2     00:34:37    Thank you. Could you explain why you're before the board?  
Speaker 15    00:34:41    So we are planning to put a fence around our, our property. And due to this is because of a lot of deer issue lately. And, and eating, us eating all the vegetation and vegetables, we are growing and that creates a lot of nuisance. Also, probably some health issues they're creating. We get on a, on a regular basis, like 12 to 15 deer and they just, sometimes they just hunker around in the backyard and a lot of damage to the vegetation also as probably they're pooping all over. Yeah. So it's, it's really, it's really, it has really become a hazard issue now. And also we, we also want to have some privacy probably  
Speaker 0     00:35:35    Understood. Mr. Patel, thank you for clarifying  
Speaker 1     00:35:38    Mr. Chairman. Their fence is in an easement. That's the reason that they're here.  
Speaker 0     00:35:41    Right. So John, what's the language they need to know before we proceed?  
Speaker 4     00:35:46    We need to know how, how tall these fences are. You need to note a vinyl and a chain link. What? Yeah,  
Speaker 15    00:35:52    So, I'm sorry, go ahead.  
Speaker 4     00:35:54    What are the heights of the proposed fences?  
Speaker 15    00:35:56    So proposed fence is six feet. Vinyl up to the, the, the, the, the easement township easement we have or probably half feet before. And then we are going to put as, as the plan or the, the application we have submitted, we are going to put a 16, 15, or 16 feet gate for the opening. And then the remaining is the chain link. The, the gate also will be of chain link.  
Speaker 4     00:36:30    What's the height of the chain link? Fence  
Speaker 15    00:36:32    Chain link would also be six feet.  
Speaker 4     00:36:37    Okay,  
Speaker 0     00:36:38    So it's gonna be 15, 16 feet wide.  
Speaker 15    00:36:41    Yes. Sorry, the gate.  
Speaker 4     00:36:44    Yeah. Okay. So do you agree, do you agree to a memorandum of restriction regarding the easement where you'll, you'll assume all costs associated with the removal and replacement of the fence, which by putting in the gate you pretty much avoid. But would you agree to entering a memorandum of restriction?  
Speaker 15    00:37:10    So to understand even we put a gate, you know, is there a responsibility for us?  
Speaker 4     00:37:18    They'll just use the gate. But if you sign the legal document, it just, it covers all parties. So they'll they'll just use the gate. Yes.  
Speaker 15    00:37:26    So yeah, we are fine. And that is why we are putting the gate because of the easement, right? Yes. Perfect.  
Speaker 0     00:37:32    Very smart move, sir. Okay. Any other members of the board have any questions or comments? Hearing none, I'm gonna open it to the public. Anyone on the public have any questions or comments about this application?  
Speaker 2     00:37:44    I  
Speaker 1     00:37:45    No. One chairman. Okay.  
Speaker 0     00:37:47    Close the public portion. I'd make a motion to approve this application. Can I get a second? I'll second. I'll second it. All roll.  
Speaker 1     00:37:54    Mr. Weisman?  
Speaker 0     00:37:55    Yes.  
Speaker 1     00:37:56    Mr. Patel? Yes. Mr. Reggio?  
Speaker 0     00:37:59    Yes.  
Speaker 1     00:38:00    Mr. Bla? Yes. Mr. Hika? Yes. Mr. Bedo? Yes. And Chairman Cahill?  
Speaker 0     00:38:06    Yes.  
Speaker 2     00:38:08    Your application has been approved and we'll memorialize this is in a written document at our next meeting and we'll send that document to you. Good  
Speaker 0     00:38:13    Luck.  
Speaker 15    00:38:14    Thank you. Thank you very much. Board And everybody  
Speaker 0     00:38:16    Goodnight sir.  
Speaker 15    00:38:18    Thank you.  
Speaker 0     00:38:19    I'm 1825 dash ZB dash 61 v Gordon Aira are muted, sir. There you go. I'm here. Thank you  
Speaker 2     00:38:29    Sir. I need to swear you in. Could you raise your right hand? Do you swear the testimony you're about to give should be the truth?  
Speaker 16    00:38:36    I do.  
Speaker 2     00:38:37    Your name and address please. You put your hand down.  
Speaker 16    00:38:41    Gordon Aqua 5 1 6 Shirley Parkway, Piscataway, New Jersey oh 8 8 5 4.  
Speaker 2     00:38:48    Could you explain to the board why you're here?  
Speaker 16    00:38:50    Yes. So I bought a house about two years ago. I installed on an AC that wasn't working and it's, it's six feet away from the property line. And I'm asking for a variance 'cause it's meant to be 10 feet away from, from the property line.  
Speaker 0     00:39:15    Okay. Mr. Ms. Rahi.  
Speaker 4     00:39:18    So to clarify, the AC unit is, is it it's installed now. It's not proposed. It's currently there.  
Speaker 16    00:39:23    It's currently there, yes. Okay.  
Speaker 4     00:39:26    And I'm assuming be a substantial hardship to relocate it.  
Speaker 16    00:39:32    Correct. And the house is a rental. There's two kids there, four and five years old. And where it's located, it's very isolated. So if I'm to move it to the back, I think that'd some safety issues and there's very limited places I could put it in, in the backyard.  
Speaker 0     00:39:53    Okay.  
Speaker 4     00:39:54    Okay. You are gonna be required to screen it with either fencing or landscaping from the, from the frontage of the property as well as your neighbor to the side. I know when you first came in, there was a question about the easement on the side where the AC unit is. I would consider having that be implemented or perfected so that way it's, it's recorded properly, but as it is right now on the revised survey, you are not inside that easement. So just the, just the screening. And that's, that's all I have. Mr.  
Speaker 0     00:40:30    Thank you Jonathan. Mr. Aquira, you're okay with the screening and the I am.  
Speaker 16    00:40:35    Thank you. Yes.  
Speaker 0     00:40:38    Okay. Any other members of the board of any questions or comments? Hearing none, I'm gonna open it to the public. Anyone of the public have any comments or questions about this application?  
Speaker 1     00:40:49    No. One chairman.  
Speaker 0     00:40:50    Okay. Close the public portion. I'd make a motion to approve this application. Can I get a second? I second. Thank you. Thanks. Please call the roll.  
Speaker 1     00:40:57    Mr. Weisman?  
Speaker 0     00:40:58    Yes.  
Speaker 1     00:40:59    Mr. Patel? Yes. Mr. Regio? Yes. Mr. Blount?  
Speaker 0     00:41:04    Yes.  
Speaker 1     00:41:04    Mr. Haka? Yes. Mr. Mitterando? Yes. And Chairman Cahill?  
Speaker 0     00:41:09    Yes.  
Speaker 2     00:41:10    Your application's been approved. We'll memorialize it in a written document at our next meeting and we'll mail that document to you. Good luck.  
Speaker 16    00:41:16    Thank you.  
Speaker 0     00:41:18    Have a good night sir. I think we're moving on to item number 2225 dash ZB dash 31 slash 32 V Ms N Pharmaceuticals, Inc.  
Speaker 11    00:41:33    Good evening again, board members David Prasad from Bob Smith and Associates here tonight representing the applicant MSN Pharmaceuticals for application 25 ZB 32 V. Tonight we are seeking preliminary and final site plan approval with a D six height variance pursuant to 40 55 D 70 dash 70 D six. The applicant tonight is proposing to expand the existing warehouse building and also proposing to extend the height of the building or a portion of the building from where 50 feet is permitted to 70 feet. The purpose of that 70 foot height variance is for an inventory conveyor system, as I mentioned, and for additional storage space. Currently the property is utilized by MSN Pharmaceuticals as a pharmaceutical manufacturing and distribution facility with offices. There's also warehouse space for storage. The property was purchased by MSN Pharmaceuticals in 2017 and in that same year they planning board approval under application 17 PB 34 to convert the use from warehousing solely to pharmaceutical manufacturing distribution.  
Speaker 11    00:42:58    The site has frontage on Duke Road and also at the rear of the property or the south side of the property. There is Route 2 87 and there's substantial buffering between 2 87 and the property as well. In addition to the D variances and the preliminary and final site plan application, we are seeking some bulk variances. One is for off street parking where 653 spaces are required and 206 are proposed. We are seeking a minimum of variance for the minimum number of loading births required where 12 births are required. Three are existing and eight are currently proposed for total for this application, increasing the number of of births. And finally, we are seeking a minimum drive aisle width where 25 feet is required and 24 feet is a, this is highlighted in numerous approvals for this property all the way back to I think 2011.  
Speaker 11    00:43:57    Tonight we have a number of witnesses and professionals. I have the applicant or a representative for the applicant here. Mr. Vish Vishnu from MSN Pharmaceuticals. I have our engineer, Robert Murray, who is Menlo Engineering. I have the architect, Ms. Suta Shaw from KSD architects and I have a traffic engineer, Mr. John Ray from McDon Ray Associates. And finally, the professional planner, Ms. Christine Kone from Confirm Consulting Group. For the record, I also like to mention that we do have three staff reports from the township. We have the per Piscataway Township staff report dated July 1st, 2025. We have the John t Chadwick planning report dated July 16th, 2025. And we also have a Dolan and Dean report, which we received recently dated August 12th, 2025. That is all that I have. I would like to call my first witness, Mr. AIA from MSN Pharmaceuticals, if the board can swear him in,  
Speaker 2     00:44:58    Please proceed. Sir, could you raise your right hand please? Mr. Aia, could you raise your right hand please? Yes. Do you swear the testimony you're about to give shall be the truth? Yes. Your name and address please?  
Speaker 17    00:45:15    VMSN Pharmaceuticals. 20 Duke Road, Picard, New Jersey 0 8 8 5 4.  
Speaker 2     00:45:22    Thank you.  
Speaker 17    00:45:24    Welcome sir.  
Speaker 11    00:45:28    Thank you. Mr. Kinneally? Yeah. Mr. Arpaia, can you please describe your role and relationship to Ms. N Pharmaceuticals, Inc. Please?  
Speaker 17    00:45:37    Definitely Mr. Devin. So I, I check care of the engineering and facilities atm, MS. N Pharmaceuticals. I'm being with Ms. N Pharmaceutical from 2022. I used to work for MSN in India before I come here.  
Speaker 11    00:45:51    So overall, you've been working for MSN for quite some time just recently in Piscataway?  
Speaker 17    00:45:56    That's correct.  
Speaker 11    00:45:57    Okay. Can you tell the board how long MSN has been located in Piscataway in New Jersey?  
Speaker 17    00:46:02    Yeah, we, MSN purchased this property in 2017, as you mentioned earlier and the same year we received planning board approval to convert the building into pharmaceutical manufacturing and distribution.  
Speaker 11    00:46:14    And you want to continue your business in Piscataway. Can you please let the board know why you would choose Piscataway in New Jersey?  
Speaker 17    00:46:19    Yeah, Piscataway is actually great town for a business and to grow our particular location is perfectly suited for SN where we are surrounded by all industries and minimum residential involvement limited. Also the proximity. Our building is right next to the 2 87. It's also our business to minimize travel time and limit traffic in town.  
Speaker 11    00:46:45    Okay. And the nature of the business again is pharmaceutical manufacturing and distribution, correct?  
Speaker 17    00:46:51    That is correct. Okay.  
Speaker 11    00:46:53    Can you please let us know what the hours of operations are for the business?  
Speaker 17    00:46:56    We are operating from 6:30 AM to 11:00 PM  
Speaker 11    00:47:00    And that is Monday through Friday?  
Speaker 17    00:47:02    Yeah, Monday through Friday, that's correct.  
Speaker 11    00:47:05    How many employees do you currently employ at this location?  
Speaker 17    00:47:09    Currently we have 110 employees in the site. When we expand our building, we may extend like another 30 more employees we will report. Okay. So altogether one 40.  
Speaker 11    00:47:20    Okay. Can you explain the reason that we are seeking a 70 foot D six height variance as opposed to 50?  
Speaker 17    00:47:28    Yeah, MSNI would like to install state out of the automatic storage and retrieval system. It's basically it's operated by robots. We store all our products into the racks. It's a high, high height racks, so the robots we call the material, particular material the robot will pick up and it'll bring it to the particular pickup location and pack location where our, our employee can pack for the delivery.  
Speaker 11    00:47:57    And you said the racks are high and that that requires robots to utilize? Yes, the, the retrieve the PA pallets, it's  
Speaker 17    00:48:05    A fully automated storage and retrieval system.  
Speaker 11    00:48:08    Understood. For the board, can you explain why they're the additional storage space and the automated system is proposed?  
Speaker 17    00:48:18    See currently whatever products we manufacture it, the site also the parent company, MS and laboratories privately limited. In India, we are using third party warehouse where we are storing all our products. So instead of buying a new property or Joel constructing a new warehouse, we feel like having everything in one place at this site, it's easy for us to increase our efficiency also instead of, I don't know how the residents locally will take, if we construct the new facility, it's better to have all in one house. That's why we feel this will be beneficial to the town as well as MSN to construct, extend this building to suit our needs.  
Speaker 11    00:49:05    So just to clarify for the board, it it seems, and as we all know, warehousing is not a great business model in Piscataway at the time or anywhere in New Jersey. So it's true that you are expanding your warehouse to avoid building another. Is that correct?  
Speaker 17    00:49:22    That's correct.  
Speaker 11    00:49:24    Currently, can you explain how many deliveries by truck you receive per day?  
Speaker 17    00:49:29    Approximately three to three to four trucks at.  
Speaker 11    00:49:33    Okay. And with the ex, with the proposed expansion of this facility, how many trucks are you expected to increase?  
Speaker 17    00:49:40    We're expecting a to 10, which includes 3, 2, 4 inbound and 4 2 6 bound.  
Speaker 11    00:49:45    Okay. Also your site is, as you mentioned, closes at 10:00 PM How many are the lights on in the facility around the parking now around the building until 11:00 PM Or is it that they remain on  
Speaker 17    00:50:02    Currently the light remain on throughout the night until morning after.  
Speaker 11    00:50:07    Okay. And if we can, I would like to address some of the items on the staff reports. First item would be item number three on the Piscataway Township staff report. Can we agree for all EV charging stations to be operational at the time A CEO was granted?  
Speaker 17    00:50:24    Yes.  
Speaker 11    00:50:25    Okay. Item number five on the, the Piscataway Township staff report. Can MSN install the fiber optic conduits along the property frontage?  
Speaker 17    00:50:32    Yes. Agreed.  
Speaker 11    00:50:34    And finally, for the John t Hagley planning report, item number eight, it is a concern for the township that the lights remain on 24 7. Is it possible that we can turn the lights off during non-business hours?  
Speaker 17    00:50:47    It's possible, yes.  
Speaker 11    00:50:48    Okay. That is all the questions I have for this witness. If the board does have any questions.  
Speaker 0     00:50:55    Jonathan, do you wanna address each expert each time? Professional? I should say what? Do you wanna wait till the end to surmise?  
Speaker 4     00:51:02    I can do it as they come up so it's all fresh. Perfect. If that's okay.  
Speaker 0     00:51:07    Proceed. So  
Speaker 4     00:51:08    My question is regarding the retrieval system, I'm assuming something this state of the art is modular in nature, it's gonna be custom fabricated for the, for the space?  
Speaker 17    00:51:22    That is correct, Jonathan.  
Speaker 4     00:51:24    So why can't we come down in height for the expansion? Why does it have to be 70 feet?  
Speaker 17    00:51:33    Basically the number of pallets we have limited space. The pallets are high. Numbers are high. So we wanted to go high to increase the number of pallets we can store.  
Speaker 4     00:51:45    And this is for a increase in capacity for future, for future expansion or is this based on a, an existing need?  
Speaker 17    00:51:55    It's for the future expansion as well as existing at both.  
Speaker 4     00:52:01    Okay. I do have questions that I'm gonna say for other professionals. Okay. But if, if it's for future need and it's not an immediate, if it's not for the immediate operations of the business, it's modular in nature, I, I would want see it reduced in height.  
Speaker 0     00:52:21    Okay. Thank you Jonathan. Mr. P Thank you Prasad, please put on your next professional.  
Speaker 11    00:52:26    Sure. For my next witness, I do have Mr. Robert Murray.  
Speaker 0     00:52:29    Hold on. Hold on. John.  
Speaker 18    00:52:31    Yeah, I don't know whether this is to the representative or not. You planning to put any signage on this building?  
Speaker 17    00:52:40    Sorry, can you repeat the question please? Sir,  
Speaker 18    00:52:42    Are you planning to put any signage on this building?  
Speaker 17    00:52:47    Existing signage are sufficient for us now,  
Speaker 18    00:52:50    So. So there's no signage proposed on this new building?  
Speaker 17    00:52:53    We have already signage at the front and back of the building.  
Speaker 0     00:52:58    So that's gonna remain the same? Yes.  
Speaker 11    00:53:00    Remain the same? Correct.  
Speaker 0     00:53:01    Got it. Okay.  
Speaker 18    00:53:02    And you commented on the lighting it happens to be item seven I just for the record and the colors of the building, I assume that's an architect's Yeah. Response. Okay.  
Speaker 0     00:53:17    Thank you John. And  
Speaker 18    00:53:18    Do, no, just one other thing. Do you know if there's anything on the top of the roof or is that again the architect?  
Speaker 11    00:53:23    The architect will address that as as well.  
Speaker 2     00:53:25    Okay.  
Speaker 19    00:53:28    Okay.  
Speaker 11    00:53:30    So yeah Mr. Thank you for the next witness. I have Mr. Robert Murray from Menlo Engineering, if the board can swear him in.  
Speaker 2     00:53:37    Mr. Murray, are you present?  
Speaker 19    00:53:39    Yes.  
Speaker 2     00:53:40    Could you raise your right hand? Yes. Do you swear that the testimony you're about to give should be the truth?  
Speaker 19    00:53:45    I do.  
Speaker 2     00:53:46    Your name and address please.  
Speaker 19    00:53:48    Robert Murray, 2 61 Cleveland Avenue, Highland Park, New Jersey.  
Speaker 2     00:53:53    Thank you.  
Speaker 11    00:53:55    Thank you. Mr. Kinneally. Robert, can you please give the board the benefits of your qualifications?  
Speaker 19    00:54:00    Yes, I graduated Stevens Institute Technology in 2017 with a bachelor's degree in civil engineering. I've been a professional engineer for four years now and I provided testimony in front of numerous boards in New Jersey, including Piscataway.  
Speaker 11    00:54:15    And your license is current and in good standing? Yes.  
Speaker 19    00:54:18    Thank you. Qualifications are fine. Please proceed. Thank you. Thank you.  
Speaker 11    00:54:22    Mr. Murray, if you can please explain to the board the current layout, the proposed layout and other engineering factors that are taking place in the site improvements, if you don't mind.  
Speaker 19    00:54:30    Yes. If I can present our existing conditions exhibit  
Speaker 11    00:54:36    And we can mark that as a one.  
Speaker 19    00:54:41    Can everyone see Yes, thank you.  
Speaker 19    00:54:46    Which this is a aerial photograph of the site and its surrounding areas. And just to orientate my drawings tonight, north is up. The property better known as 22 road is lot 10.01 a block 43 0 2 in Piscataway Township. The site is located south of Duke Road, west of Freeway Drive and north of 2 87. Access is provided off both Duke Road and Freeway drive. Overall the property is approximately 15.48 acres and is located entirely within the LI five light industrial zone. The site is also surrounded by industrial uses within the LI five zone as it exists today. The site is currently a 236,851 square foot industrial building with 33.5 feet in height. This includes office warehouse manufacturing and lab. Also, the site has an existing 1,125 square foot accessory building, which is currently not being used.  
Speaker 19    00:55:59    The site has currently has 402 spaces along the south and the west side, and three existing loading spaces on the east side of the building. Now if I could present our overall plan exhibit, which is a colorized rendering of the submitted site O overall plan with the aerial background and landscape turn on, the applicant is proposing a 55,477 square foot warehouse addition with an 88,984 square foot roof extension to 70 foot in height. The applicant seeks to demolish the existing accessory building and a portion of the parking to the south of the building. The proposed conditions will have 206 spaces, which 653 is required, eight of which are EV spaces and seven of which are a DA spaces. The spaces will be nine by 18. The site has a existing nonconformity of a 24 foot aisle width, but the applicant is proposing a 30 foot width to the south of the proposed building. Proposed addition, excuse me, site improvements also include a five foot sidewalk crosswalk and a DA compliant ramps on the south end of the building. The site will utilize existing utilities and other improvements include lighting and landscaping. For landscaping, 17 trees are removed. However, 22 deciduous trees are provided, which meets the Piscataway Township ordinance.  
Speaker 19    00:57:43    The site will utilize existing lighting with the addition of two wall-mounted LED fixtures approximately 22 feet high. This will provide a minimum of 0.5 foot candles and an average of 2.3 in the parking area and provide safe and adequate lighting meeting. Township standard, the site is considered a major development since it disturbed over an acre of land. Therefore, stormwater management is required. The site site will accomplish stormwater management by maintaining the amount of impervious coverage for quantity and recharge requirements and reducing motorized vehicle surface to satisfy the water quality regs. Existing non-conformity of the site include loading where, where eight is provided but only 12 are required. Parking aisle width where 24 exists, where 25 is required parking variance where 206 spaces are provided, where 653 are required. Variance include the building height where 50 50 feet is required, where 70 is proposed.  
Speaker 19    00:59:07    I also have read the professional letters and I have no problem with satisfying the comments. However, I do wanna draw attention to two of the comments on Dolan and Dolan's letter from August 12th. 12th comment. SP two, the operation will have WB WB 67 tractor trailer and comment SP four. The comment ask whether circulation can be maintained with a 60 foot long loading space. The operation of the site will have the first tractor trailer to come in on site to load in the southernmost bay and all others following will take the next one north. After parked the tractor trailer, the cab will be detached and parked on site. Therefore, circulation will be maintained. However, if the board looks favorable on this application, we can work with the board professional to satisfy any comments they have on trailer trailer movement. And that concludes my portion of the testimony.  
Speaker 11    01:00:27    Thank you Mr. Murray. I have no direct questions as you address the Dolan and Dean report. Does any, it's up to the board or to the board professionals. Is there any other questions for Mr. Murray?  
Speaker 0     01:00:37    Yeah, I was wondering if Jonathan wanted to jump in on this too based  
Speaker 4     01:00:40    On Yeah, thank you Mr. Mayor. I'm definitely gonna want a truck turning diagram showing it. It's fine if you wanna show just the, just the trailer parked in one of the bays. But I wanna see the ability of a fire truck as well as another delivery truck being able to access these bays with the trailer being stored in the bay. So that's something that we're gonna want to see. 'cause I, I have some serious concerns about circulation, especially for, for emergency vehicles, if any of those bays are being used, I'm, I'm okay with the, the preexisting nonconformity with the aisles. The, the parking I, i, I just wanna highlight the, the traffic engineers report about 140 spaces are estimated to be used where 200 spaces are being proposed. And those were my main, those were my main points. Thank you for addressing all, all the comments. Otherwise,  
Speaker 0     01:01:44    Thank you Jonathan. Any other members of the board have any questions or comments for Mr. Murray?  
Speaker 18    01:01:50    Mr. Chairman, I, oh, I'm sorry.  
Speaker 0     01:01:52    No, jump in sir.  
Speaker 18    01:01:55    There's that small building in the back. One plan shows it remaining the architectural plan and your plan shows it. Mr. Murray removed who's right.  
Speaker 19    01:02:08    The, the accessory building will be removed and we can revise plans to be consistent.  
Speaker 18    01:02:14    Alright. And there was one other item. Are you involved with a lighting plan and can these lights be extinguished during non-business hours but for security lighting?  
Speaker 19    01:02:28    Yes, as the, a applicant explained, we can comply with your comments on lighting.  
Speaker 18    01:02:36    I wasn't sure if he did or not, but that's fine.  
Speaker 4     01:02:40    And just to piggyback off of that, John, can we, can we add shielding to the, the lights along the, the, the parking lot with the adjacent building on Duke?  
Speaker 19    01:02:53    Yes.  
Speaker 4     01:02:53    Okay, great.  
Speaker 0     01:02:57    That it Sean?  
Speaker 18    01:02:59    That's  
Speaker 0     01:02:59    It. Thank you sir. Any other members of the board,  
Speaker 21    01:03:02    Mr. Chairman? Yes, this is Betsy Dolan Dolan and Dean, I just wanted to echo Jonathan's comments about the vehicle circulation. I did have some offline dialogue with Mr. Murray, but I agree that those template diagrams should be submitted and I'm fine with the parking variance. I ran ITE numbers and I think the analysis by McDonough Ray, which you're gonna hear probably next I'm satisfied with. But I agree the circulation exhibit should be provided.  
Speaker 0     01:03:29    Great. Great. Thank you Betsy. You are  
Speaker 21    01:03:31    Welcome.  
Speaker 0     01:03:33    Devin. You can proceed with your next professional.  
Speaker 11    01:03:36    Thank you Mr. Chair. I do, John Ray is not next. I do have the architect up next. So I'll address some of the other comments and to give you some renderings of the building. So if I can call Ms. Shta Shaw from KSD architects and have her sworn in.  
Speaker 22    01:03:50    Hi everyone. Can you hear me?  
Speaker 0     01:03:52    Excuse me a second. Ms. Nory, can you unshare your screen please?  
Speaker 19    01:03:55    Yeah, I'm, I'm trying to find where the button is. No problem. I'm sorry. No problem.  
Speaker 2     01:03:59    Well, we're doing that. Ms. Shah, could you raise your right hand? Do you swear that the testimony you're about to give should be the truth?  
Speaker 22    01:04:06    I do.  
Speaker 2     01:04:07    Thank you. Your name and address, please?  
Speaker 22    01:04:09    Sure. Suta Shah, spelled S-U-C-H-I-T-A, Shaw, SHAH. Address is one Liberty Way in Cranberry, New Jersey.  
Speaker 2     01:04:20    Thank you.  
Speaker 11    01:04:22    Ms. Shaw, if you can please give the board the benefit of your qualifications and whether your license is current and in good standing.  
Speaker 22    01:04:29    Sure thing. I am a registered licensed architect in New Jersey as well as 10 other states. I was a graduate of PR institute with a bachelor of architecture in 2013. And I have presented or testified in front of at least 20 boards. I haven't kept count  
Speaker 0     01:04:52    Qualification, qualifications are acceptable. Please proceed. Thank you.  
Speaker 11    01:04:55    Thank you Mr. Chair. Ms. Shaw, if you can please describe the building modifications that we are seeking, including the height and also if you can address the comments on Mr. Chadwick's report regarding the mechanical equipment and the additional signage and also the color palette.  
Speaker 22    01:05:10    Sure thing. I'm going to share my screen. Okay. Can everybody see the, the photo?  
Speaker 0     01:05:25    Yes. Yes.  
Speaker 22    01:05:26    Okay, great. So this is just to show what's existing on the site at the, at the moment. I was lucky enough to be with KSD architects at the time of the 2017 alterations inside this building. And glad to be kind of on the team again.  
Speaker 0     01:05:46    One second, one second. No.  
Speaker 22    01:05:48    Yes. Sorry. Was there a question?  
Speaker 0     01:05:55    No, I think that's okay. Please proceed in shock.  
Speaker 22    01:05:59    Okay. All right. So this is the existing site aerial view, and I will go over the plan first. Just give it a second to load, please. Okay. So this is, we're looking at, sorry, let's start from here. SK one dated February 15th, 2025 completed by KSD architects. This is a, an existing building expansion plan showing the building as is in the hatched markings here, it's about 236,000 square feet. We are proposing two additions, one on the south side of the building and one to the northeast side of the building as was described. And I will go to the next slide here to SK two to to show you kind of the different roof levels that are proposed. So all the hatch diagonal hatch markings that you see are existing to remain roof heights. The gray solid hatches are the areas that are proposed. So you'll see again that south side addition being proposed at 70 feet of height, and you'll see the northeast addition at 28 feet height.  
Speaker 22    01:07:19    In addition, the center portion of the building to the east side will be added in height to 70 feet. It is currently about 38. Most of it is currently about 38 feet high. There are different levels back here. So we are proposing those additions. These are elevations of the existing and proposed ex expansions. And I'm gonna show you a little bit better of view of these. I I understand that 2D can sometimes be a little confusing, especially in this kind of varied roof level situation. We're going to see, give it a second again to kind of load. Okay, so you did see in the first slide I showed you on this new sheet called existing site dated August 14th, 2025.  
Speaker 22    01:08:18    What we are proposing to do is shown on the second page, it's called R 1 0 1. Sorry, these are large kind of photo files. So, okay, so here's the existing building and here's the expansion. So you can see that most of the expansion is going to be at that 70 foot height to aesthetically kind of tie everything together. Again, nobody's gonna see that from an aerial bird's eye view. They're gonna see something like this and even this is kind of an exaggerated view since nobody's really gonna be in the trees when they're looking at the building. But just to give you an idea of what the expanse of the building will look like, again, this is all quoted as sheet R 1 0 2 and we're showing again, the existing building up to about this line is where it's existing. And then we're going to, this is where the, I think, south side expansion is going to be.  
Speaker 22    01:09:23    So to kind of address some of the questions in the reports and that we're kind of asked today, I'll go into first the, let's go first I'll, I'll answer the signage question. There are no building signs proposed. There are no building new building signs proposed as Vishnu was kind of referring to. We have building signage already at the front entrance and that will remain the front entrance. And as this, this is all one building, there is no need for new signage to get into the material palette. A lot of these materials were selected to compliment what's already there. So when we did the, the alteration in 2017 to 2021, that kind of period of time where, where MSN was renovating this and then they, they changed the facade a bit. We added a modernized NHA panel, which is kind of shown here. It's, it's a brick looking panel, but it's made out of fiber cement.  
Speaker 22    01:10:35    We're gonna just extend that throughout the facade. And we also had these aluminum composite panels bordering the top. We're going to extend that as well to the end, to the south end. So those are all, we have the existing material pallet that we used back at that renovation. We are going to continue that to kind of tie the building together. And the rest of the building is actually gonna be, again, niha panel on the bottom or base. And then there are two different alum aluminum composite panel that will be used. One will be sort of a kingspan blue, which is what we're calling Chicago blue in a Benjamin Moore color. And the other will be a gray. That is the clear mica that you see right here. These are just like the existing, these are the two existing colors that are on the building currently. And then the white looking border is actually a light gray called alabaster. So these are actual colors and actual manufacturers that will match and complement what is already at the existing building. So I think I, I hope I've satisfied, I think the material question, if there, if there's any specific question to that, I can certainly go further  
Speaker 11    01:12:03    Before we go into those questions. Ms. Shaw, can you just address the comment about rooftop mechanical equipment? Yes,  
Speaker 22    01:12:10    Absolutely. So, so the, the rooftop mechanical of the existing building, I'll just show you where it is and fortunately the addition is actually going to cover a lot of that. So in, in the 2021, let's say renovation, we had a lot of rooftop equipment that was added on this side of the building. Now that you see that we're going to kind of add the portion to the south of the building that will be screened naturally because of the building. And I'll show you that in a second. The, so that, so that rooftop mechanical, it's not shown here or depicted here, but it will, it will stay, it will be existing to remain, it will just be screened by this. So now 2 87 has no chance of seeing it. They, they can say it now anyways, the other, so the added portions of the building, which are storage, basically warehouse functions, they're not particularly complex or need any type of special mechanical attention.  
Speaker 22    01:13:17    So they don't need like to maintain a certain temperature or maintain a certain humidity or anything like that. So really what we're talking about are regular small, independent units that you see on everyday warehouses. It's just to maintain comfort for the people who are working inside the warehouse. So there are these like small DX units that we call that will sit on top of the roof and they are going to be sort somewhat centered. So you won't again see them from the roof line anyway by code. They need to be a certain number of feet from the edge. So there will not be any type of vision to them as well as any need for screening of those.  
Speaker 11    01:14:03    Understood. Thank you Ms. Shaw, I have no further questions of Ms. Shaw if the board or the professionals do. Yeah, I was wondering if  
Speaker 0     01:14:10    Jonathan wanted to address anything. It'd be great.  
Speaker 4     01:14:14    I can get started. Ms. Shaw, have you done a cross section through the highway to the proposed edition? Do you have that topo in your model?  
Speaker 22    01:14:26    We don't have it in in the model, but I believe that would be the next step. I, I know that there would be a sort of a grading plan done by our site engineer and certainly that would be a, a next  
Speaker 4     01:14:39    Step. Yeah. 'cause I, I, I think of a visual impact assessment from a driver on the road. I mean, we're talking, it, it's, it's like 200 feet from the, from the drive aisle of 2 87. So a 70 foot tall structure is definitely gonna be within the view shed. I I know the picture you took is kind of from ground level on the side, which is a little bit, which is a little bit different. So I think I, I I think I'd want to see either a cross section or a rendering taken from 2 87 looking at the building. It's also if there's any consideration to swapping the blue with the gray, kind of taking a, having a almost camouflage it, tricking the eye thinking that it's more sky than building. But I, I don't know if there's any, anything else we could do to visually pair this down.  
Speaker 22    01:15:37    That that's a great, that's a great point, Jonathan. Actually, we did it this way to kind of neutralize it as it goes up, believe it or not. So I, I believe that this may actually stick out less if the color is towards the bottom, if that makes sense. Okay. So that was a consideration if that matters.  
Speaker 4     01:15:58    It does, thank you.  
Speaker 22    01:15:59    I do, I do. We're we're happy to do a rendering from 2 87, but I, I do know that there's, there's no, there's really no chance that they're gonna see anything. There's a whole tree line on that side if you kind of see it from now. I don't know what the, the size of the trees are. We can definitely, we can definitely look into that, but as you can see, like there's a natural, it's a beautiful natural screen that, that will prevent really anything. And, and they're, they're, you know, pin, they're evergreen confers, so I don't think they would be seen from,  
Speaker 4     01:16:39    And, and I did have the applicant in last year for removing a bunch of trees. They're not in the best health and it's fairly mature, so I, I wouldn't be surprised if more of those trees are on their way out. So that, that's why I'm, why I'm asking.  
Speaker 22    01:16:54    That's a good  
Speaker 18    01:16:55    Point. I, I'd like, I'd like to jump in on this comment with, I agree with Jonathan. I mean, we all go up down 2 87 multiple times a day, some of us, and you can see a lot of these buildings all along 2 87. So this is going to be one of the bigger buildings in that corridor. And the coloring system to me needs to try to minimize the scale of this building as opposed to emphasizing it. And I think the blue collar does emphasize the scale of this building as opposed to minimize.  
Speaker 24    01:17:40    Okay.  
Speaker 18    01:17:41    But I think that the gist, gist of this is what is the impact to the 2 87 corridor as you go along. And we don't have that cut, right?  
Speaker 24    01:18:00    We,  
Speaker 11    01:18:03    If it does please a board, we, we can work with the architect and also the applicant and try to get a rendering. So it's a more visual exhibit to show the, the visual impact from 2 87, if that would satisfy the board. Yeah,  
Speaker 0     01:18:17    I mean that would be appreciated.  
Speaker 18    01:18:19    Yeah. The be ga jump from 50 feet to 70 feet is not, not insignificant.  
Speaker 0     01:18:29    Okay.  
Speaker 18    01:18:30    I mean, there's no question that Piscataway master plan speaks to its economic base and, and courage, expansion, retention, et cetera. But there has to be a balance to that  
Speaker 11    01:18:46    Understood. And we absolutely will try to provide all the exhibits that are being requested by both Ms. Chadwick and Ms  
Speaker 0     01:18:57    Any other members of the board of any questions or comments?  
Speaker 25    01:18:59    Yeah, I, I, I do, Sean, I look around the property, I don't see any hydrants, what is it with fire suppression around there.  
Speaker 11    01:19:11    I would defer that question to our, our engineer if Robert can come back.  
Speaker 19    01:19:18    I, so I did do a site visit earlier today, and I did identify that there is a fire hydrant near Duke Road.  
Speaker 25    01:19:30    There's only one hydrant  
Speaker 19    01:19:35    I can, if you give me a moment, maybe after someone else presents, I can check our plans to see where the nearest hydrant is on site besides the hydrant on Duke Road.  
Speaker 0     01:19:47    Okay. Why don't, David, why don't you proceed with your next professional and we can double back to Mr. Murray.  
Speaker 11    01:19:53    Will do. Thank you, Mr. Chair. My next witness is Mr. John Ray from Mc Gunn and Ray Associates. He's our traffic engineer if the board can swear him in.  
Speaker 0     01:20:02    Mr. Ray,  
Speaker 26    01:20:06    I lost the audio.  
Speaker 0     01:20:08    No, you there?  
Speaker 26    01:20:09    Oh, I'm here. I'm, I'm here.  
Speaker 2     01:20:10    Do you swear that the testimony you're about to give should be the truth?  
Speaker 26    01:20:14    I do.  
Speaker 2     01:20:15    Your name and address please.  
Speaker 26    01:20:16    John Ray, REA. I'm a principal with McDonough and Ray Associates, traffic engineering firm, 1431 Lakewood Road, Manasqua, New Jersey.  
Speaker 2     01:20:26    Mr. Chairman, I believe Mr. Ray is accepted as an a traffic engineer expert for this board of Prioritizations.  
Speaker 0     01:20:31    I agree. Please proceed, Mr.  
Speaker 26    01:20:33    Proceed. Thank you, Mr. Kinneally.  
Speaker 11    01:20:36    Mr. Ray, if you can please go through the parking and the traffic study that you presented that we submitted to the board as well. Sure.  
Speaker 26    01:20:42    My, my primary job this evening is to justify the parking variance. I've made several visits to the site to establish the existing parking demand for the first shift. As Vishnu indicated during his initial testimony, there are approximately 110 employees. I don't think they all work on the first shift. The bottom line is the parking observations I made during the first shift revealed a demand of 80 to 85 parked vehicles. We are going to add 30 additional employees with the project if it is improved approved, and if they all work on the first shift, that will bring the parking demand up to approximately 115, maybe 120 parking spaces. 206 spaces are proposed, so therefore we meet the, the actual parking demand and we exceed it, and we will have a healthy surplus of parking spaces. Other than that, I've just reviewed the access to the property, which as it currently exists, we've got great access to 2 87 from to and from the west via Possum Town Road to and from the east via Old New Brunswick Road. Great location for this property and for this operation, as Vishnu has indicated, but primarily my job was to justify the parking variance.  
Speaker 0     01:22:07    Okay.  
Speaker 11    01:22:08    I have no further questions for Mr. Ray, if the board of board professionals have any questions?  
Speaker 0     01:22:13    Jonathan, you wanna jump in? Sir,  
Speaker 4     01:22:14    The only comment I have for Mr. Ray is have you, given we've been discussing the truck circulation, do you have any comments regarding that?  
Speaker 26    01:22:22    I, I con, I concur with your comments and Ms. Dolan's comments, and I think Mr. Murray and I will work on that and prepare the truck turning radius templates and provide them to you.  
Speaker 0     01:22:34    Great, thank you. Thank you Mr. Ray. Any other members have any more questions for this  
Speaker 21    01:22:40    Mr. Chairman? Just to comment that I also visited the site. I concur with the findings and the parking. We also ran ITE parking. The board knows that the ordinance requires the calculation for the individual use components, and that, in my opinion, is an over-exaggeration. I, I do believe, as Mr. Ray said, there will be a healthy surplus with the renovation more than would be required for this particular user and more than the ITE anticipated demand.  
Speaker 0     01:23:10    Thank you, Betsy.  
Speaker 21    01:23:12    You're welcome.  
Speaker 0     01:23:14    Mr. Murray, do you have any more information about the fire hydrants?  
Speaker 19    01:23:17    Y Yes. So looking at the site plan, there is a hydrant on the Duke Road fronts. There is a hydrant on the free freeway drive frontage. There's a hydrant on the north of, just north of the building and there's a hydrant on the west side of the building.  
Speaker 2     01:23:32    Okay. Okay. Can you hear that  
Speaker 0     01:23:34    Artie?  
Speaker 2     01:23:34    Yes. Thank you. Sounds  
Speaker 0     01:23:36    Like there's four on the site. Thank you Mr. Murray. Mr. Basad, please proceed  
Speaker 11    01:23:43    For my final witness tonight. I have our professional professional planner, Justin Oslo. It was supposed to be Ms. Cone, and Justin is from Confo Consult Confo Consulting Group. So he will be doing the professional planning testimony if the board can swear him in.  
Speaker 2     01:23:59    Are you present, Mr. What?  
Speaker 3     01:24:01    Yes, I'm here.  
Speaker 2     01:24:03    Could you raise your right hand? Do you swear that the testimony you're about to give should be the truth?  
Speaker 3     01:24:09    Yes, I do.  
Speaker 2     01:24:10    Your name and address, please.  
Speaker 3     01:24:13    Justin Cielo, A-U-C-I-E-L-L-O 52 Reckless Place, red Bank, New Jersey.  
Speaker 2     01:24:20    Thank you.  
Speaker 3     01:24:22    Thank  
Speaker 11    01:24:22    You. Mr. Cielo, can you please give the board the benefits of your credentials and is your license current and in good standing?  
Speaker 3     01:24:30    Absolutely. So I have a master's degree from Rutgers. I've been a licensed professional planner in the state of New Jersey since 2008. I provided testimony in front of this board and, and the planning board in the past. My license is current and in good standing, I've provided testimony in approximately 200 municipalities, I  
Speaker 0     01:24:48    Think. I think we're good. Justin,  
Speaker 3     01:24:50    You can move on. Thank you.  
Speaker 11    01:24:51    Thank you, Mr. Kale. Mr. Cielo, if you can please do your analysis for the D six height variance and also if you can address the other bulk variances for off street parking and loading births.  
Speaker 3     01:25:03    Yes, absolutely. So the D three, I'm sorry, the D six height variance that's covered under the, the Grasso case, that's, that's Grasso versus, versus Spring Lake Heights. And that's essentially the same standard of relief as a conditional use in this instance. It's, it's, it's showing that the site can, you know, can accommodate the excess height, even though of course there, there's the, the exceeding of the height in, in the L one five zone. The l the L one five zone industrial district does anticipate large scale industrial buildings. And I think it's important to kind of set the context upfront that this is the industrial district. This is an area that's right along route Route 2 87. This is an area that has industrial surroundings. Mr. Chadwick, in his letter did state that the site is located in the industrial section of the township, and he went on to say that the building is remote to, to any residential use.  
Speaker 3     01:26:07    So from a planning standpoint, what that tells me, not just from Mr Chadwick's letter, but from my knowledge of the area and my review of, of the site on foot, this is a height that from a planning standpoint does meet the purpose and the spirit of, of the li five zone. I think as you heard from our site engineer and from the architect, the site can accommodate the site despite the fact that the variance relief is required. As you heard from the operator, the, the height variance is driven by the, the operational requirements of the use. It does enable the, the vertical storage of the use. And what's important here, as was previously stated, that this reduces, since its vertical, obviously that reduces the expansion of the, of the building footprint. That eliminates the need for any new disturbance of lands. And then of course, that eliminates any need to expand or to increase the, the impervious coverage.  
Speaker 3     01:27:15    So that's the, you know, functional necessity. And with that, with going vertical, that of course has no impact on the setbacks and the buffering. Again, the, this is located along route two 80, route 2 87. I know there were some questions that were asked by the board professionals earlier about the location and any visual impacts. I believe the applicant has, has stated, or the applicant's professionals has stated that some, you know, new exhibits will be provided to prove that there is no, no negative impact in terms of the positive criteria for the height variance, it's my professional opinion that this application would advance criteria A, the promotion of the general welfare, and from that it's the advancement of, of commerce in the township criteria G, which speaks to sufficient space in appropriate locations to accommodate. There is sufficient space, as you heard from the professionals. Again, this is going vertical, it's inappropriate location.  
Speaker 3     01:28:21    We're not here for a D one use variance. The l the LI five zone anticipates this type of use and, and criteria h free flow of traffic that really goes to the, the parking variance. But still, I would say that with the, the vertical expansion, there is no impact there. And this application as a whole we'll advance the, the free flow of traffic. In terms of the negative criteria for the, the D six variance, from a planning standpoint, I certainly see no substantial detriments of public good. No, no negative shadowing or, or glare that's associated with this application. The applicant has agreed to go, go lights out at the appropriate hours. No substantial negative impact to, to the zone plan. The zoning ordinance, zoning ordinance, as I had previously stated, does, does permit this use. And this is a use that certainly advances the, the, the master band po the master plan policies for business promotion and the advancement of, of these industrial uses.  
Speaker 3     01:29:34    In terms of the parking variance, you did hear from, from Mr. Ray who, who, who had testified that his analysis showed that the parking is, is sufficient on the site in terms of the, the, the dry vial with as well, I believe Mr. Ray, Mr. Ray had testified that, that, that his, his testimony wa was, was limited mostly to, to the parking. But I believe he, he did state it, he did state that the, the, the, that he found that the width was appropriate. And I believe the, the loading ber variance is a preexisting non-conforming use, which, which again will have no negative impact to the function of the site. Again, it's a vertical expansion. So I think, I think the positive and negative criteria that was stated for the D six variance can apply to the c variance relief that is required as well.  
Speaker 11    01:30:38    Mr. Cielo, if I just can ask you one question, we are increasing the number of loading bursts to make it more conforming, is that correct?  
Speaker 3     01:30:46    That is correct. It's more conforming. So it's a, it's a better situation than, than, than currently exists and, and that certainly is a, is a benefit to the site and also the zone plan as well.  
Speaker 11    01:30:57    Thank you Mr. Oslo. I have no further questions for Mr. Oslo. If the board of the professionals would have any questions,  
Speaker 0     01:31:03    Any members of the board of any questions or comments?  
Speaker 18    01:31:06    I just have one quick question. Did you make a, any kind of a survey of 2 87 as to what the highest buildings are along that roadway?  
Speaker 3     01:31:18    Mr. Chadwick? I did not personally do that. I would, I would defer over to any members of, of the team if, if anyone has that.  
Speaker 18    01:31:27    Do you have any idea or any of the team, your team members what the height of the hotels are?  
Speaker 19    01:31:37    Oh, we, we don't have any survey information outside of our site. Okay. So we, we do not have that information.  
Speaker 18    01:31:46    I mean, I would think it would be beneficial to know that height as a comparison to what you are proposing and that you are not out of character, but we  
Speaker 0     01:31:59    Don't know. No, John, I agree and based on the fact that we're going to be asking for so far three new items for them to produce for us, I would ask that they could provide that for the next meeting when we will probably vote on this.  
Speaker 18    01:32:13    I mean, to be candid, it's, we've got other buildings that are higher than 50 feet. And do what degree do they alter the road scape of 2 87? It's right there. I mean it's, but we're, we, we're absent that, so I agree with Chairman Kale, you know, there's a couple things outstanding that are probably best to, to produce  
Speaker 11    01:32:48    Understood Mr. Chadwick. And as Mr. Kale just mentioned, there are a few things that would help the board and the board professionals feel more comfortable with this application. So we will gladly provide those items. I've taken notes so I can make sure that we get 'em all submitted. And is  
Speaker 0     01:33:05    Is a month from now too soon,  
Speaker 11    01:33:08    I will ask the professionals if that's enough time for them to generate these, if, does anyone have any objection for the next hearing next month?  
Speaker 0     01:33:14    Lo Laura, what date would that be? Huh? September 25th. September 25th. Mr. Psad, could you ask your professionals?  
Speaker 11    01:33:28    Yeah, Mr. Murray, Ms. Shaw, if that, if that's doable for no, September 25th,  
Speaker 0     01:33:35    That's doable.  
Speaker 11    01:33:38    Ms. Shah, if that's okay with you as well?  
Speaker 22    01:33:40    Yeah, I will not be a bill available personally, but somebody from my firm will be, and we can definitely produce the rendering for that time.  
Speaker 11    01:33:48    Perfect. I think we can, we can agree to September 25th. Awesome.  
Speaker 0     01:33:52    All right, well let's move on that then.  
Speaker 2     01:33:56    All right, well, so should I end of the hearing?  
Speaker 0     01:33:59    Yes.  
Speaker 11    01:34:00    Yes. That concludes our testimony and we will generate these and get them submitted to the board for review.  
Speaker 2     01:34:06    Okay. Anyone here on the MSN pharmaceuticals hearing it is going to be carried to September 25th with no further notice by the applicant. The only notice you're receiving is my announcement here tonight. There will be additional items considered by the board at that time and it will be opened to the public for their comment at that time. Thank,  
Speaker 11    01:34:28    Thank you.  
Speaker 0     01:34:30    Thank you Devin. Before we proceed, I would ask that if any of the board members have an opportunity to go out to the site to get a personal line of sight on the height of the proposed height, you know, it would be probably in our best interest if you could get out there between the next month and get a feel for the, for the area. Alright, so let's move on to item number 23 and that's 25 dash zb dash 37 slash 38 V Chanel Inc.  
Speaker 28    01:35:05    Good evening. My name is Lindsay Knight and I am managing council real estate for Chanel.  
Speaker 2     01:35:11    Good evening.  
Speaker 28    01:35:12    Good evening.  
Speaker 2     01:35:15    Please proceed.  
Speaker 28    01:35:16    Thank you. We are here tonight with respect to our property at 8 76 Centennial Avenue. We are requesting to install a fence on the property for security purposes. We unfortunately have had multiple instances of unauthorized persons accessing the property after hours, including large groups of cars that are doing burnouts in the parking lot. We have people who have been using our EV chargers who are not authorized, as well as people who are sleeping in the parking lot. So obviously this is a security concern for us as well, for our employees as well as for the general public. So installing this fence would permit us to be able to close the property off from 10:00 PM  
Speaker 0     01:36:06    Sorry, go ahead. Okay.  
Speaker 28    01:36:09    So that would this, this would allow us to close the property off from 10:00 PM to 6:00 AM Monday through Saturday and all day on Sunday. So accordingly, we are requesting two variances. First from 21 6, 19 0.2 to permit a portion of the fence to be located within an easement. And the second is from 21 dash 6 0 1 to permit an eight foot high fence. We are in receipt of both the staff report dated August 6th, 2025, and the report from Mr. Chadwick dated August 14th, 2025. I saw there were some items noted therein for discussion, so please let us know how you would like to proceed,  
Speaker 0     01:36:48    But Jonathan, first, I guess  
Speaker 4     01:36:53    Gladly, Ms. Knight, could you help clarify where the picket style fence is being proposed?  
Speaker 28    01:37:06    Yes, I'm actually going to ask Anton Williams from our Asset Protection group to share the survey and walk through that.  
Speaker 4     01:37:14    Perfect. Thank you.  
Speaker 2     01:37:17    Do I need to swear him in?  
Speaker 30    01:37:21    Yes,  
Speaker 0     01:37:23    Ms. Knight, does he have to be sworn in?  
Speaker 2     01:37:26    Yes. Mr. Wigs, could you raise your right hand? Do you swear the testimony about the gifts should be the truth?  
Speaker 30    01:37:32    Yes.  
Speaker 2     01:37:34    Could you just identify yourself by name and your position?  
Speaker 30    01:37:38    It's Anton Williams. I'm the director of asset protection in our corporate space.  
Speaker 2     01:37:43    Thank you. Please proceed.  
Speaker 30    01:37:48    Okay, share my screen. Two. Okay. This is our print and yeah, let's see. Oh yeah, share. There you go. All right, this is our print. And let me just zoom in here just so you get an idea where Centennial Ave is and on the corner of Centennial and Knights Bridge of the fence, which will be our steel fence, will be this part here with the Xs and it will run adjacent to the building on top of our berm all the way into the entrance of the, of the building where the trucks go in. And then the, the, the fence will turn into the parking area and this particular area here will be a closed fence that will close the property so that if a truck does happen to pull off or into that particular space, the truck will clear the roadway.  
Speaker 30    01:39:00    Here is where the fence, another fence will block the parking area for our employees and it will run against the inside of the berm to the rear of the parking area. And then that's when a chain link fence will run into the back space behind the parking area, hugging the parking area. Until we get to bear with me here till we get to the end here where Fitz Randolph would be. The Shah chain link will continue to the entrance on Fitz Randolph, where we'll have a double side swing gate, and then that fence will connect into our secondary parking space where there will be a sliding fence and then another chain link fence that will touch the back of the building. And this particular fence will protect that parking lot where we have incidents.  
Speaker 4     01:40:08    Does that answer your question, Jonathan? Yes, that's helpful. So understanding that that fence along Knights Bridge with the, with the spikes is gonna be more of a, a visual deterrent, correct?  
Speaker 30    01:40:20    Yes.  
Speaker 4     01:40:21    Yeah, so I I I think the, the, the spikes have to be revised. It's just not, it's not permissible. So there is, just for the board's awareness, there is landscaping on that berm along Knightsbridge Road. So if we were to remove the spikes, I I would be open to the, I'd be open to the height allowance. However, the fiber optic would also have to be installed along the frontage as we're requesting with applications of this kind on commercial properties. And then I, I also have some concerns about the location of the fence relative to the sanitary easement as well as the flood zone.  
Speaker 4     01:41:14    So the sanitary easement, you're, you're well inside, you're well inside that easement especially Yeah. There, you're just kind of on the corner, but further, further to the side. Yeah. So you're well into the easement area there. I'm just worried about our underground structures that the town maintains. So full underground mark out would be required prior to the installation of the fence. And if the fence does need to deviate from the plan to avoid any underground structures, I would request that they either come back before the board if it's significant or a new layout would have to be proposed and approved prior to the fence installation. And I'd also request a memorandum of restriction in case we do need to access any of those underground sanitary improvements if the fence gets installed. Okay.  
Speaker 2     01:42:14    Ms. Knight are, are, is the applicant willing to agree to all of that?  
Speaker 28    01:42:18    I, I would actually appreciate if we could have a little more information on the fiber optic. This was the first we learned of this request today, so I, I'd like to understand a little bit more about that process.  
Speaker 4     01:42:30    Sure. So the fiber optic conduit would be two four inch PVC lines along Knights, the frontages along Knightsbridge Road as well as Centennial. They're for township use and a lateral would be required to be run from the, the dual conduit to the frontage of the building. So with it being two faces, I, I think you, you'd likely do the lateral lung centennial. That would be, that would be, again, for, for township use in the future. We're just trying to get fiber optics set up around town.  
Speaker 28    01:43:20    And is that something that then connects into an existing system?  
Speaker 4     01:43:25    We're creating that system, so we'll connect into neighboring properties as they improve their lots as well.  
Speaker 28    01:43:32    Okay.  
Speaker 18    01:43:35    This, this facility's been Jonathan probably five, six years now or longer than that. The fiber optic policy  
Speaker 4     01:43:49    Two years at most, I believe.  
Speaker 18    01:43:52    But it's been, it is been in operation then for full two years. So all of the businesses in town are doing this, this type of facility. It's obviously looking to future,  
Speaker 0     01:44:08    I think it's been longer than two years. I think they've been, I i  
Speaker 18    01:44:10    I do too  
Speaker 0     01:44:11    Implemented around five Yeah, before COVID. I know that. Yep. So I think it's longer than that, but it's SOP Now when it comes to approvals here,  
Speaker 18    01:44:21    I'd just like to clarify the issue of spikes on top of the decorative fence. I'm in favor of the dec decorative fence. I think it adds something to the site. Jonathan, what were you thinking? Did you just cut 'em off flat on the rail or, well, the different terminate on it. I mean, I,  
Speaker 4     01:44:43    Let me pull up, I  
Speaker 18    01:44:44    Had one in front of one of my houses. They had like a little hearts on the top. I mean you couldn't, they're purely architectural.  
Speaker 4     01:44:52    There's no reason why the, why the, the rail, the top rail that can't just be moved up and it would cover the spikes and the top rail would just run along the top of the fence.  
Speaker 18    01:45:06    I, I I, I would rather see it project and put some kind of an architectural closure on the end. I, I just don't think it would look correct with just those rails coming up to a, a cross piece. Are you Lindsay okay with that in terms of putting on I tried to get ahold of the offense manufacturer and I was unable to on two occasions, so I would think this manufacturer that submitted all the specs, the various types of fences can come up with something that is decorative and not dangerous.  
Speaker 28    01:45:51    Yes. Mr. Chadwick Anthony Bago is actually on the call with us tonight. Anthony, would you be able to respond to this request?  
Speaker 0     01:46:00    Yes,  
Speaker 31    01:46:01    Absolutely.  
Speaker 0     01:46:02    Could you raise your right hand? Do you swear the testimony you're about to give should be the truth?  
Speaker 31    01:46:08    Yes.  
Speaker 0     01:46:09    Your name and address please?  
Speaker 31    01:46:11    Anthony Pano. Statewide fence 6 5 1 South Avenue, Garwood, New Jersey.  
Speaker 0     01:46:17    Thank you.  
Speaker 31    01:46:20    Yeah. In terms of options for the flush or for the horizontal top rail on the ornamental fence, it can be, we can do a flush top rail or we could have the standard press point. The standard press point for, you know, an aluminum or steel fence is not, not typically a hazard concern as you stated, John,  
Speaker 18    01:46:42    You don't have anything. Some of the WR fences where the rails were had some generally some kind of a almost heart shaped top to 'em.  
Speaker 31    01:46:59    Right? So yeah, it's a, it's a press point pickets when they actually crush the end of the, the, the tubular material, it, it creates that point. Point. And then it's obviously  
Speaker 18    01:47:08    Your answer is no, then you don't have anything that you can attach to it.  
Speaker 31    01:47:13    Well, there's, there's a few different options, but flush top is, would be the standard for say, like a playground fence.  
Speaker 4     01:47:21    I, I wouldn't, I would prefer to see a flush top or  
Speaker 18    01:47:24    Top. Well, I, I, I'm not getting a good answer. I agree with you Jonathan. Yeah, I think it would look better if it could be done the way I was talking, but let, let's not go any further. We beat this to death.  
Speaker 0     01:47:38    Thank you John. Appreciate it.  
Speaker 4     01:47:45    Okay,  
Speaker 0     01:47:45    John, you good? Jonathan,  
Speaker 4     01:47:48    If they agree to the fiber optic memorandum of restriction revising the fence, I'm okay.  
Speaker 2     01:47:57    Yes, we can agree to that. Thank you. Awesome.  
Speaker 0     01:47:59    Okay. Any, any other members of the board have any questions or comments? Lindsay, that was your last professional?  
Speaker 1     01:48:07    Yes.  
Speaker 0     01:48:07    Okay. Hearing nothing from the board, I'm gonna open it to the public. Anyone in the public have any questions or comments about this application?  
Speaker 1     01:48:18    No one chairman.  
Speaker 0     01:48:19    Okay. Hearing none, I'm gonna close the public portion and I'd make a motion to approve this application with the restrictions that Jonathan just gave.  
Speaker 2     01:48:27    I'm making an motion.  
Speaker 0     01:48:28    Okay. Can I get a second? I'll second please call the roll.  
Speaker 1     01:48:34    Sorry. Mr. Weisman? Yes. Mr. Patel? Yes. Mr. Regie? Yes. Mr. Blo? Yes.  
Speaker 0     01:48:41    Mr.  
Speaker 1     01:48:41    Hika? Yes. Mr. Mitterando? Yes. And Chairman Cahill?  
Speaker 0     01:48:46    Yes.  
Speaker 2     01:48:47    Mr. Knight, your application has been approved. We'll memorialize it in a written document at our next meeting and we'll send that document to you.  
Speaker 0     01:48:53    Thank you. Good night. Good day.  
Speaker 2     01:48:56    Have a good night. Alright,  
Speaker 0     01:48:57    Take care. Let's move on to item number 24, adoption of resolutions from the regular meeting of July 10th, 2025. Mr.  
Speaker 4     01:49:05    Chairman, before we proceed, is Heather fam present on the call?  
Speaker 1     01:49:08    Oh, I forgot.  
Speaker 4     01:49:13    Laura, do we see her?  
Speaker 1     01:49:16    No, there's no one.  
Speaker 0     01:49:17    Okay. Thank you. Reminding me that John,  
Speaker 1     01:49:20    Can we move them to the September 18th meeting?  
Speaker 2     01:49:23    So anybody here, we're gonna carry this in September 18th with no further notice.  
Speaker 1     01:49:29    Thank you.  
Speaker 0     01:49:31    Appreci, proceed. You. Thanks  
Speaker 1     01:49:33    Jonathan.  
Speaker 0     01:49:34    Good catch.  
Speaker 2     01:49:36    Cassie Udin, would you vote to approve Mr. Weisman? Yes. Mr. Patel?  
Speaker 0     01:49:41    Yes.  
Speaker 2     01:49:42    Mr. O'Reggio? Yes. Mr. Blount?  
Speaker 32    01:49:46    Yes.  
Speaker 2     01:49:47    Heya? Yes. Mr. Mitterando? Yes. Chairman Cahill?  
Speaker 0     01:49:52    Yes.  
Speaker 2     01:49:53    Next, Omar Haga. Mr. Vote to approve Mr. Wasteman? Yes. Mr. Patel? Mr. Yes. Mr. Blount?  
Speaker 32    01:50:04    Yes.  
Speaker 2     01:50:05    Mr. Hea? Yes. Mr. Mitterando? Yes. Chairman Cahill?  
Speaker 0     01:50:10    Yes.  
Speaker 2     01:50:11    Edith Sproul, which you voted to approve. Mr. Waston? Yes. Mr. Patel?  
Speaker 32    01:50:16    Yes.  
Speaker 2     01:50:17    Mr. O'Reggio? Yes. Mr. Blount?  
Speaker 32    01:50:20    Yes.  
Speaker 2     01:50:21    Mr. Hada? Yes. Mr. Mitterando? Yes. Chairman Cahill?  
Speaker 0     01:50:27    Yes.  
Speaker 2     01:50:28    Eric Kinski, which you voted to approve. Mr. Wesson? Yes. Mr. Patel?  
Speaker 32    01:50:33    Yes.  
Speaker 2     01:50:34    Mr. O'Reggio? Yes. Mr.  
Speaker 32    01:50:37    Yes.  
Speaker 2     01:50:38    Mr. Hada? Yes. Mr. Mitterando? Yes. Chairman Cahill?  
Speaker 0     01:50:43    Yes.  
Speaker 2     01:50:45    Richard, which you voted to approve. Mr. Weissman? Yes. Mr. Patel?  
Speaker 32    01:50:50    Yes.  
Speaker 2     01:50:51    Mr. O'Reggio? Yes. Mr. Blount?  
Speaker 32    01:50:54    Yes.  
Speaker 2     01:50:55    Mr. He Duga? Yes. Mr. Mitterando? Yes. Chairman Cahill? Yes. Amanda Minoff. Which you voted to approve. Mr. Weisman? Yes. Mr. Patel?  
Speaker 32    01:51:07    Yes.  
Speaker 2     01:51:08    Mr. Oria? Yes. Mr. Blount?  
Speaker 32    01:51:11    Yes.  
Speaker 2     01:51:12    Mr. Hay Duga? Yes. Mr. Mitterando? Yes. Chairman Cahill? Yes. Grisel De Garcia, would you voted to approve Mr. Weisman? Yes. Mr. Patel?  
Speaker 32    01:51:24    Yes.  
Speaker 2     01:51:25    Mr. O'Reggio? Yes. Mr. Blount?  
Speaker 32    01:51:29    Yes.  
Speaker 2     01:51:29    Mr. Paducah? Yes. Mr. Mitterando? Yes. Chairman Cahill? Yes. James Barrow. Would you voted to approve Mr. Weisman? Yes. Mr. Patel?  
Speaker 32    01:51:41    Yes.  
Speaker 2     01:51:42    Mr. O'Reggio? Yes. Mr. Blount?  
Speaker 32    01:51:45    Yes.  
Speaker 2     01:51:46    Mr. Duka? Yes. Mr. Mitterando? Yes. Chairman Cahill? Yes. Finally, GDO Jail Auto Repair, which you voted to approve. Mr. Weisman? Yes. Mr. Patel?  
Speaker 32    01:51:59    Yes.  
Speaker 2     01:52:00    Mr. O'Reggio? Yes. Mr. Blount?  
Speaker 32    01:52:04    Yes.  
Speaker 2     01:52:04    Mr. Duka? Yes. Mr. Mitterando? Yes. Chairman Cahill?  
Speaker 0     01:52:10    Yes.  
Speaker 2     01:52:11    Those are all the resolutions I have tonight.  
Speaker 0     01:52:12    Okay. Item number 25. Adoption of the minutes from the regular meeting of July 10th, 2025. All in favor say aye.  
Speaker 32    01:52:19    Aye.  
Speaker 0     01:52:21    I have number 26. Adjourn. All in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. Alright guys, enjoy the rest of what's left of the summer, you  
Speaker 2     01:52:28    September.