Transcript for Piscataway Zoning meeting on June 25 2020

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Speaker 0     00:00:00    Yes, sir,  
Speaker 1     00:00:06    We will come to order this meeting is in the following ways it's published by courier news. That was posted on the bulletin board and municipal building orders made available couching spark overall,  
Speaker 0     00:00:30    Mr. K hill. Yeah. Mr. O'Reggio. Mr. Weissman, Mr. Zimmerman, Mr. Patel and chairman Blake,  
Speaker 1     00:00:49    Everyone, please stand and salute the flag  
Speaker 0     00:00:59    And to the Republic.  
Speaker 0     00:01:06    Liberty and justice  
Speaker 1     00:01:17    Towards schedules.  
Speaker 2     00:01:19    Yes, we have two changes. Do schedule James. Well, the United school street is adjourned. So August 13th and they must provide notice  
Speaker 1     00:01:30    Land  
Speaker 2     00:01:31    Group, LLC. 5 21 road is a journey of until August, 2020 with no further notice as they noticed those are all the changes that have to happen.  
Speaker 1     00:01:43    Okay. Very good. James MES synonymous schedule C, right? Yes. Yep. All right. Item number six. We'll start with 20 days, CB 12 years, Victor,  
Speaker 2     00:02:17    Mr. Chairman.  
Speaker 2     00:02:20    I'm a licensed attorney in the state of New Jersey and I am here tonight, recently, Piscataway storage, LLC, by way of background. This is a project that the board reviewed and approved several times, way back when it was approved as a warehouse, they self storage facility with some Glock consult with Asian. And I think there was even a subsequent reaffirmation of the subject. So the great news, and if you're driving around Piscataway, you should go to 15, 18 south Washington avenue and you'll see a gorgeous south storage building. One of the things that my client prides himself on is putting together a very, very ecstatic. We crease lasing.  
Speaker 2     00:03:23    When you think of storage facilities, you generally thinking about stuffing that's one 10th of the elegance of their facility. So why are we back? We're back here tonight seeking an amended preliminary and final site plan. And the only thing that has to do with that is that there's a minor modification of the sign. That's really what mended preliminary and final cycling, and also the reaffirmation or the re giving fermions for a signed setback. The last time we were here, the board was kind enough to provide a sign front yard setback of 20 feet where 50 feet of required. And we, we, our engineering people made a mistake. The last time he didn't interpret the site, or as you, as you may know, in Piscataway, when you talk about the area of his side, after the clue, it's supporting structures and that set us, so we applied for a 30 square foot Stein thinking that it's the letter zone.  
Speaker 2     00:04:47    And as a matter of fact, what you have before you tonight until tonight, if you take a look at the sign decal, you're going to see a very nice freestanding on human side. And the lettering on it as per previously is a 20 point 65 square feet. All right. So really it's very small, but he misinterpreted the ordinance. So the surrounding supporting structure was not included. If you include the surrounding a supportive structure, you end up with, I think 113 point something square feet, which is, which is under our ordinance ordinance, quite frankly, last 150 square feet. So when they were confronted with the fact that their variance was incorrect, namely the variance for the area of the sign was incorrect. It was suggested that we come back and then the approval. So that it's clear that we're talking about the 113 square feet, which still complies with the site ordinance, but also to really ask for the setback variance of 20 feet where 50 is required. So that's what we're really here for. Yes, it is in a minute preliminary and final, but it's, it's really about getting a reaffirmation or a three seat of the setback areas. I have only one witness. Why Chris? One witnesses, Alison coffin, Alison is our planner. And I'd ask that she be called into court so that she can give testimony. Ms. Coffin, could you raise your right hand?  
Speaker 2     00:06:40    Do you swear the testimony you're about to give shall be the truth? The whole  
Speaker 3     00:06:43    Yes, I do. Alison coffin, C O F F I N. My business address is 14 Tilton drive in ocean township, New Jersey,  
Speaker 2     00:06:53    Mr. Chairman. I believe that Ms. Coffin has been a expert planner before this board on several prior occasions. Right. And, and you're going to see a lot of Richard tonight as well. Alison, if you would, I think I've laid out the dispute is talk to the board about why this is a very reasonable request to the board.  
Speaker 3     00:07:18    Yeah. So the applicant is requesting to reaffirm a variance that was already given up, but for different size sign, the sign that the applicants proposing the area still conforms to the ordinance. It's below the 150 square feet maximum, but it is at the 20 foot setback where 50 feet is required. So this is a C variance, and I think you can grant it under the seat to standard the variance advances, the purposes of the municipal land use law with regard to promoting public health safety, moral general welfare proposed signs. Setback provides a safe inadequate site identification for the driveway on south Washington avenue, which is a higher speed, heavily traveled roadway. And that driveway that requires signage visible from the roadway assigned setback of 50. That'd be difficult for southbound traffic in particular to see through the substantial greenery that remains on the site to the north of the driveway or the area of the letters.  
Speaker 3     00:08:14    And the logo is well below the 30 square feet that the applicant originally was approved for. It did a 23.65 square feet and would not be very visible for roadway at all. If it was at a conforming 50 foot setback, another purpose that Suzanne is promoting a desirable visual environment. The pole in this case is the support structure of this line, which is intended to provide a state and aesthetically pleasing impression rather than having that 23.65 square foot sign sitting up on a thin pole are the benefits of the variants here include providing for an appropriate site identification and promoting a desirable visual environment. And it's my opinion that there's no would result from this variance or the areas of assigned message itself was conforming the height. Do we know who we're getting the feedback from?  
Speaker 0     00:09:15    I just muted somebody who just came on. So I think it was that person  
Speaker 3     00:09:20    Emmanuelle.  
Speaker 0     00:09:24    I just muted them again.  
Speaker 3     00:09:29    All right, I'll continue. Sorry about that. Yeah, no problem. This is not my first zoom rodeo. So the height of the sign here, which is monument style as well, will have a maximum of 20 feet and we're at seven feet and the sign is not visually intrusive, nor would it block vehicles, sight lines. As the location, as proposed at the variance would not substantially impair the intended purpose of the master plan and zoning ordinance. The use was already approved for this site. The variance itself was already permitted. So all we're we're reviewing tonight is whether or not that variance is still appropriate with the larger monument style sign. And it's my opinion that it is  
Speaker 2     00:10:13    Terrific. The Mr chairman, Mr. Hinterstein did a report dated June 5th, 2020, in which he makes three comments. One of all the support structure is relatively wide. The actual signage is oddest in here considering the sign as a monument sign, and that it's only seven feet in height overall. I do not see any issues with the proposal. Number two proposed sign needs to be attractive. We landscaped. We certainly, if you are kind enough to approve this tonight, we'll be happy to accept the condition saying that we will landscape it to the satisfaction of township landscape architect. Then number three, Middlesex county letter, which I believe it would be a waiver letter. You're not going to be interested in this. We're happy to provide and add in a nutshell is our case is coffin is available for questions  
Speaker 3     00:11:14    On the board, every questions where you're wondering the public portion. I have any questions make any comments that they have.  
Speaker 2     00:11:34    I just want to make a brief comment. I submitted a report as well. This is John Chadwick, and I read Henry's report. When you look at the site again, the way the site is, the design is designed. The background is really bad, and I had reconsideration run  
Speaker 1     00:11:53    That Any further questions, your comments, Laura, did we see anyone from the public who indicated a desire to be?  
Speaker 0     00:12:04    Nope, I'm looking, nobody has raised their hand or un-muted themselves.  
Speaker 1     00:12:09    If any member of the public is interested in making a comment on this application, please raise your hand at this time Hearing none. We have any other questions or comments or report Mr. Chairman it's Chairman Chaill. I'd like to make a motion to approve this application. This is Steve Weisman, a second to your motion made by Mr.  with application be . I think it'd be a different phone number that got my laptop up and running that old cell phone is (908) 705-0725. Thank you.  
Speaker 0     00:12:59    What was that?  
Speaker 1     00:13:03    Okay. We have any,  
Speaker 0     00:13:10    Nope. We just need a roll call.  
Speaker 1     00:13:15    I believe it was decay hall. Made a motion to second to motion to approve seconded by Mr. Weissman. Yes.  
Speaker 0     00:13:22    Mr. Cahill, Mr. O'Reggio. Mr. Weissman, Mr. Zimmerman, Mr. Zimmerman. Okay. I see him saying yes. I don't know. He, he muted himself Mr. Patel and Ms. Mr. Blake camera light. Okay.  
Speaker 1     00:13:49    Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I never seven rating. Okay. Very good. Scratch Me.  
Speaker 4     00:14:15    Okay.  
Speaker 1     00:14:21    Find out that would be me, Susan rubric on behalf of American express company. Okay, great. Thank you again for the record Susan room had I I'm an attorney with Bronchitol or in Roseland, New Jersey. I am here tonight on behalf of American express company for property located at four place block by block 5,001 lot at one point or three, and the property size is best under five acres. It's 4.989 acres. And the building size is 44,324 square feet. Somebody has put up an exhibit. Is that my, my site engineer Scott Turner? Or is that the board? That's put that on the Scott. Yes.  
Speaker 2     00:15:20    Hold on. Is that part of the submitted to the board?  
Speaker 1     00:15:24    No, it's a rendered submitted to the board. It's an exhibit.  
Speaker 2     00:15:29    Okay. So that is going to be needed. That needs to be marked as a one with today's date,  
Speaker 1     00:15:34    Right? The board will do that. Correct. So what I would like what I was planning on doing was what is he doing? Or  
Speaker 0     00:15:48    He can't be on the  
Speaker 1     00:15:53    Talking in the background or do I  
Speaker 2     00:15:56    Well monitoring that also is great for anyone that is listening here on the urban express application. I would ask you yourselves as we're getting feedback, some talk around contraception. Yeah.  
Speaker 0     00:16:08    And I'm having a problem. I can see everybody's screen to mute them. Now what's Scott putting this up.  
Speaker 1     00:16:14    You want me to share this, but you know what, if you could just not share it for a little bit. I can see everybody. I want to just go walk, you know, just give a brief introduction and sort of set the table for what we're, what we're trying to accomplish tonight. Thank you. That would be great. Okay. So why are we here? What, we're, what we're requesting tonight. We're requesting several things and interpretation of the attributes of the scattered zoning ordinances to confirm that the property has a valid site plan approval and received it on or about April 23rd, 1975. We're also seeking and speaking and interpretation to confirm that 55 parking spaces and a drive aisle were added to the property at some point. And to confirm that following conditions, present variants conditions, for which we would also need relief. There's variance conditions are her front yard setback, number of parking spaces, signage that back. And we also need waivers for the drive aisle with, and the loadings to pick.  
Speaker 1     00:17:23    I have Scott Turner, who you you've met from. These are engineer from middle engineering. I also have leave on the line on the, on the fall, Cynthia, Joan, who is from American express. If we have any need for testimony from American express, you have reports from him from your municipal agencies and we'll address any comments direct or comment by clinic after after the test. So why are we here? How do we get here? American express and contracted with a buyer to buy the property. And that potential buyer submitted an application for a zoning permit and it's, and that permit was denied. And in that permit denial, it was stated that the site plan approval was required given that no records of any kind could be found with ReWalk or two previous approval. After we reviewed the zoning permit denial, we went back to the owner and the time and who was the developer, and we were able to provide a number of documents.  
Speaker 1     00:18:39    And then we provided those to attorney Jim Clark and, and those, there were nine documents that we were able to provide, and those were submitted with the submission they included. And I can go over them in detail if you wish, but they included a legal notice for the site plan application, several site plans, sheet planning, board minutes, noting the, your approval, a one page resolution of site plan approval, a zoning permit application in 19 74, 19 75 to the ven developed to the developer subtler construction and an application for zoning permits from 1979, submitted those to Mr. Clark king. And he advised that the process, apparently this is not an infrequent occurrence where the municipality does not happen. We did not have an actual site plan step. So according to Mr. Clark, and the way that the board has been handling or the county has been handling, these kinds of matters is that we would appear before this board, the zoning board for an interpretation, confirming that.  
Speaker 1     00:19:55    In fact, there wasn't a site plan approval in based on certain documentation, the documentation that we have and, you know, your review of that and, and any discussion that we would put on the breath. So we did that, and that's why we're now, before the board meeting, it became apparent when we were looking at the documents, when we provided the survey, which was also requested that there were some additional parking spaces and a new drive aisle that were added at some point, and we are seeking the sports and, and interpretation also from this board that adds to the existing conditions there on the ground. Now there were approximately I believe 55 bases that were added. So we're also seeking interpretation to confer. Not only that the 1975 approval was granted, but also to confirm the existing conditions on site. And that involves also variances for several conditions that I mentioned, which are the front yard setback, which is, which is an existing condition.  
Speaker 1     00:21:18    That's our, that's our, our condition, the number of parking spaces under the years that they're now 130 spaces would be required and 80 spaces are provided. And the signage setback, if approved today would be 50 feet. And the sign is an existing sign. That is 42.7 feet. So that's, that's sort of setting the stage. What I would like to do is have Scott sworn and testify. He can talk about this, the location, and then provide me information about that the conditions are existing. And then what I would like to do as the attorney then provide the, the standards, which I'm sure this word is, is, is more than familiar with, for the C2 or the C1 variances. These are existing conditions that can't be changed. That would be the basis for our, for our variance requests. And as I noted, we also have the, the reports from the engineer and from the planner, Mr. Chadwick. So we'll go over those. My understanding is that there may be some conditions that, or improvements that we would need to discuss. So  
Speaker 2     00:22:46    Your witness, Mr. Bright, I understand your argument and I have no objection to it that you're here for an interpretation that a site plan exists from the 1970s, to the extent that additional improvements were done after that site plan approval, the drive aisle and the parking spaces addition, are you seeking site plan approval for that tonight?  
Speaker 1     00:23:09    Well, we're seeking an interpretation that at some point that, that it was that they were installed if they're there and it's, there were variants, those that I think they may have been installed. We, we don't know why they were installed. We don't know when they were installed, but they're on the ground. So my position is that we're also seeking an interpretation for that, that they are existing conditions that this board has jurisdiction to, to approve.  
Speaker 2     00:23:38    I, I, I'm not sure. I understand the argument that on interpretation that they were existing conditions is a land use concept with which I'm not familiar.  
Speaker 1     00:23:49    Well, it's an interpretation of the awarded fit. There, there, we don't know how they were there, whether they got an approval, we don't necessarily have documentation book because we searched that there was that there was a site plan approval, but they are, they are existing.  
Speaker 2     00:24:10    I understand their existence, but isn't it cleaner. If you ask them to work, we ran site plan approval for the new parking file and parking spaces  
Speaker 1     00:24:20    W we can serve. Yes. Maybe in the context of the, of the reason why we're before the board for the interpretation on the original site plan. Yes. If that's the board's pleasure because we're to do that.  
Speaker 2     00:24:33    Sorry. I'll, I'll ask Mr. Hinterstein Wayne on that at a later time, but can we swear your witness in, if you raise your right hand for the testimony about the issue of choose to help you God. Yes, I did your name and address please.  
Speaker 1     00:24:47    Scott Turner business address 2 61 Cleveland avenue island park, New Jersey, 0 8 9 0 4. I'm a principal engineer with memos associates. I've been with the firm for over 30 years. I'm a licensed professional engineer in the state of New Jersey.  
Speaker 2     00:25:07    And Mr. Turman, I believe you appeared before the Piscataway is only word on prior occasions.  
Speaker 1     00:25:11    Yes, I have, sir.  
Speaker 2     00:25:13    Mr. Balaji, I believe you can be accepted as an engineer guys.  
Speaker 1     00:25:17    Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you. Would you, oh, so I usually they have the qualifications, but are you accepting? And we don't need to go through that. Yes,  
Speaker 2     00:25:29    We're executors. It's accepting him as an expert in the field.  
Speaker 1     00:25:33    I appreciate it. Okay. Thanks. Thanks Mr. Turner. Thank you, Mr. Kinneally. If you could go ahead then I guess Scott and put up the, put up the exhibit that you had previously. Okay. Can everybody see that exhibit? Yes. Okay. So this is an exhibit that might, It's entitled to corporate place site plant exhibits dated June 25th, 2020. It is a rendering of the existing conditions on the site, along with a, an aerial image from Google from 2018, June of 2018. What I'll do is I'm going to just zoom in a little bit, so you can get a better picture of the site itself.  
Speaker 1     00:26:36    Okay. So just very quickly for the record, the property is known as block 5, 0 0 1 lot 1.3, it does contain 4.99 acres. It is located in the ally five zoning district, which is a light industrial zoning district. And it is located on the Northeast corner of a corporate place and south Randolphville road. It has approximately 935 feet of total front-page across those two roadways immediately to the north east of route 2 87. On this exhibit, the north barrel is painting is pointing directly towards the left for rendering purposes. South Randolphville road is a mall, not the bottom of the sheet, corporate places along the right-hand side of the sheet, running the vertical direction surrounding the property. Our other warehousing industrial and commercial uses. They are noted on this exhibit as well. They are all primarily located within the yellow fog zoning district as well. The site itself, as Ms  pointed out, could contain the one story bill holding a total of 44,324 square feet, 30 1027 square feet of that building is, was used as warehoused in space, 13,297 square feet was used for office space.  
Speaker 1     00:28:06    There are two means of ingress and egress into the site. There's a full movement drive with it comes in off of work place. And then they're rioting right out driveway that comes in off of south Randolphville road. There is an existing parking lot on the property that contains the currently now 80 parking spaces. There were 36 parking spaces along the easterly property line coming into waffle corporate place. And there are 44 parking spaces in field. That's on the north side of the building and in between the building and 2 87, there's a large area of open space and a wooded area. And particularly the wooded area is located all the way towards the north of the site up against route 27. And you can see by way of the render and between area, that's going to be in between the parking lot and that wooded area, as well as the large open area along south Randolphville in Orford place onsite as well as the building and the parking lots is a, an onsite generator that is located in this location here.  
Speaker 1     00:29:21    It's it's right off of the Northeast corner of the building and in the grass area. And there is an existing opera standing identification sign that indicates corporate court 2 87. And that's located at the intersection of south Randolphville road in corporate, a place. And it's, it's this white little sliver in this location right here. It has a very long narrow, low height sign. That's existing. The site currently has 41.8% impervious coverage and 20.4% building coverage. Everything on the site is existing. The application here in front of you proposes no improvements to the property. It's been your per the original approval. We think from back in 1975, as pointed out by miss right that approval. And that site plan included the construction of the building that's on-site today, along with the two driveways off of corporate place and stuff, right open road and the construction of 55 parking spaces, the 25 parking spaces along the easterly boundary line, a log.  
Speaker 1     00:30:40    Yes, all of these food family Fabry line corporate place had 25 parking spaces approved. And then there were 30 parking spaces approved. Also, I'm sorry, I got that backwards. Or 30 spaces approved from 1975 corporate place. And then behind the building off of the south Randolphville road to Broadway was 25 spaces. So if you were to come in off of south Randolphville road, you'll see there are a robot parking spaces and then a vial that feeds towards the most normally parking lot. That was not part of that original approval. There was that row of parking spaces that came up that main driveway continued, continued up along the existing role of 11 parking spaces where my cursor is showing. So the some somewhere between 1975 and before 2014, there was a, an addition of parking provided on the property that built this additional parking field of 25 additional parking spaces. This landscape pylori in between the role of parking and the dry bile began access to that back parking. Well, I'm not sure why it was built. I'm not sure when it was built, but it, it appears to be a functioning well, in terms of standard engineering design, it has adequate parking flow and circulation. We're just not sure as to what occurred with the approvals. We, we do require variances when you review the property and the character of the LA five zoning ordinance, the, the marriage is I'll go through with you.  
Speaker 1     00:32:34    And I'm going to refer to one of the staff reports that we had gotten from, from Ms. Gardella, it's dated, would Nate 14th, 2020. We, these are all existing conditions on the site of an 80 foot front yard setback. There is an existing condition of 70.8 feet front yard set foot off of south Randolphville road with a parking space deficit requirement based on the warehouse space and the office space. There's 130 spaces required and are provided on the site currently is 80 parking spaces. And then again, the sign at the corner requires a 50 foot setback, and we are, the site is providing 22.7 foot setback for the free standing sign. I did review the location of that site in terms of Sightlines and sight distance. And there are no impacts in regards to the location of that sign and any detriment to the intersection.  
Speaker 1     00:33:38    We also have a couple of design waivers, and these are existing nonconformities that we're not aggravating with the application. A minimum drywall with a 22 feet is on site, as opposed to 1225 foot required. And then a loading space, 10 foot by 38, which is on the property versus the 12 foot by 54, which is a required, there were two loading spaces located at the back of this building on the south Randolphville side of the property. We also have two other review letters. So we have a letter from the division of engineering and planning, Mr. Henry Hinterstein. He has a number of comments with regards to some proposed improvements to the site. We have no issue addressing his comments, we'll work with his staff and provide an appropriate plan that he is satisfied with. These comments include installing sidewalks along the proper front, the Jaisal wall with ADA ramps, notating the site plan that any curbing on site or along the front pages that are in this repaired, replaced or repaired, we will provide the ADA necessary parking on the property, along with the accessible route, into the main entrance, into the building.  
Speaker 1     00:35:03    We'll look at the lighting on site to make sure that they're all operational and the fencing and the generator around the generator will be reviewed and replaced as necessary. And then there's a number of comments in here regarding some additional landscaping along the, the building foundation, as well as onsite. And we'll work with Mr. Hinterstein interstate in getting that all put together. He did have a comment in his report. It's number six, questioning what provisions are being made for refuse. There is no dumpster or refuse to yet located anywhere on site. The former tenant of the building didn't need it, frankly. They didn't generate enough, refuse to require one. So everything was handled inside the building, and we're, we're planning on continuing that, having it function that way, unless the defendant comes in at some point in time and, you know, generates enough revenues that they do, you know, provide a dumpster location.  
Speaker 1     00:36:07    And lastly, but not least, we have a letter from Mr. Chadwick where he had hidden the cakes that he's reviewed the application and the documents and indicates that the, the additional parking areas are not performance with his own requirements and is certainly accurate in that regard. We do require a variance for the number of parking spaces. Other than that, Mr. Bright, I don't have any other direct testimony. Okay. Thank you. And I, I guess in terms of, if the board has any questions for Mr. Charla,  Mr. Chairman, this is Shawn KLA with question. Yes. Great. The, the phrase that's got usable, but we will work with Henry. I'd like to look for a commitment basically stating that the 11 items that are on the site impact will all be addressed. Yes. They will all be addressed. We've worked with Mr. Hinterstein on a number of applications and we will make sure we satisfied all of his comments.  
Speaker 1     00:37:09    Thank you, sir. You're welcome. And he was Chairman not by may tannery. Mr. Kerr would probably be beneficial to, to show perhaps a, a possible dumpster location at this time would be perhaps note stating that if it's needed by a future tenant, this would be, let's say the location, what it would look like just to perhaps, you know, not have to come back to the board again for an amendment site plan. You know, the tenant in the future requires that dumpster for, for refuse. And again, I'm not going to tell you, you have to do it, but again, I'm not saying you have to build it right now, but if you sort of just like restorative Landbank marking at times is that he sort of own land bank, perhaps dumpster location with some landscaping that, you know, I think in a logical location, in case somewhere down the line needed, we're gonna have to come back to the board for them, but I'll leave that up to you and you can make, yeah, no, I agree. That's has answer. That's a good idea. And that's it. We can add it where it's sort of a, if it's required and we'll have it on the plan, that's the place that it'll be approved. But if the board approves the application, at least it'll be there. We don't come back to that. That's something that I certainly think we, we should do. Yeah. I don't, I don't think that there's, there would be any objection to that. And I liked the analogy with the bench parking because that's something that, you know, it's, it's a familiar concept.  
Speaker 1     00:38:55    Okay. Anyone else have any questions or comments to the public anyway, with proper portion? Have any objections or comments  
Speaker 2     00:39:08    As Marie is in public  
Speaker 1     00:39:13    Now,  
Speaker 2     00:39:16    Ms. Rubrik, do you have any other witnesses?  
Speaker 1     00:39:18    I do not have any additional witnesses.  
Speaker 2     00:39:20    Okay, Ms. Probably. Can you confirm that you saw, I know members of the public that wish to be heard,  
Speaker 0     00:39:25    Not until he stopped sharing the screen. I can't get back to my other screen. I'm sorry, Scott. Thank you. I'm sorry. I apologize.  
Speaker 2     00:39:36    If any member of the public was just to be heard on this application, please, by raising your hand. And right now  
Speaker 0     00:39:45    I do not see anyone.  
Speaker 2     00:39:54    Mr. Chairman. I would make the motion to approve this application. Mr. Kinneally guess what? What's the wording that I would have to do? Am I proving of the applicant's interpretation? Am I agreeing with her? I would recommend that if you want to approve this application, that you agree with their request for interpretation, that there was a, an approved site plan in the 1970s, and that you're granting a site plan approval for the change the board, since then, with regard to the  
Speaker 1     00:40:31    Related  
Speaker 2     00:40:31    Variances and the related variances  
Speaker 1     00:40:35    And waivers,  
Speaker 2     00:40:37    I'll take bed Burbage. And with that, I'd like to motion to approve the application  
Speaker 1     00:40:42    Motion made to improve on this. Your fail second.  
Speaker 2     00:40:49    Yes. Why has it been I'll second that  
Speaker 1     00:40:52    Second by Mr. Weitzman.  
Speaker 0     00:40:56    Mr. Cahill. Yeah. Mr. O'Reggio Mr. Weissman, Mr. Zimmerman, Mr. Patel and chairman Blake.  
Speaker 2     00:41:13    Yes.  
Speaker 1     00:41:14    Okay. Thank you everybody. So much, much, much appreciated for your time. Pleasure to be before the board, not please. Next on the agenda. Item number,  
Speaker 2     00:41:36    Number eight, number eight,  
Speaker 1     00:41:43    Number eight. .  
Speaker 2     00:41:50    Thank you, Mr. Chairman members of the board gaming. It's nice to see you all again.  who is on the phone to see if with us. I also have Alison coffin who you're familiar with with whom you're familiar with. You testified earlier that acting as our planner, just to give the members of the board a brief bit of background. This is an application of seeking section 68 approval, which is a preexisting non-conforming house. We are seeking approval for a three family home, and we'll put on some crews to show that prior to the zoning act, the enactment of the zoning board scattered what 1953, that this was used as the three-family home. That's remained at family homes since that time. And the use has not been abandoned. Alternatively, we have filed the use variance release applications. You could use hearings for that three family home, a bit of housekeeping.  
Speaker 2     00:42:50    First, we have four reports that we're working with. If I give them first to confirm with the board attorney that he does have jurors, that he has determined that this application is probably, or this board and the board has jurisdiction. Yes. Notice was proper and the board has jurisdiction to proceed. Thank you. And Mr. Chairman, we have four reports or memos that we'll be working off of today. We have Ms. Corcoran's January 6th, 2020 memorandum, which identifies the relief that we're seeking. We have the fire commission memo dated February 20th of this year with no comments. We have Mr. Chadwick's, June 23rd memorandum and Mr. Hinterstein June 9th, 2020 memorandum as well. And let me just go to those two staff reports. If I may briefly add to the Mr. Backwoods memorandum dated June 23rd, we will provide testimony about the parking through Ms. Carabello of how it currently works. And as for Mr.  
Speaker 2     00:44:07    Hinterstein staff report, I'd like to provide some comments on paragraphs 2, 3, 4, I'm sorry, 3, 4, 5, and settings. Paragraph three is requesting that an updated survey be could be provided. And I believe that was provided. I'm not sure Mr. Hinterstein if this report was written prior receipt of that, but I believe that that's going to live with a paragraph four, is that a five foot right away dedication. We provided to the township to bring weekly avenue to its master plan half with twenty-five feet. That's going to be tied into paragraph five, which is that a request for a 10 foot temporary construction is for a roadway right away line for future road improvements. Finally, comment number six, which we'll provide through testimony about the six off street paid parking spaces.  standards as to 0.4 and 0.5 in Mr. Hinterstein report. I had an opportunity to speak with minister Hinterstein and support members will hear if you've been to this house, weekly avenue is a very narrow street.  
Speaker 2     00:45:21    It's a residential road. And as you approach the house on weekly coming off of, I forgot the Jameson road. I apologize. There's a sharp bend to the left. This house is the first house. If you, if you were to ignore that bend and you were to go straight, we'd go right into the house. We're actually less than 10 feet from what would otherwise be the curve. So one of the comments Mr Hinterstein had requested was a 10 foot wide temporary construction experience, which we simply can't grant, unless we would agree to allow the township to work inside of the house as well. We have no objection, obviously to a five foot construction, temporary construction easement, if that should ever be wide as part of the packet application packet that we submitted. We also provided an affidavit of Mr. Frank Rabino, who is one of the original owners of this house. Now our client, Mr. Bella was married to Frank Latinos.  
Speaker 2     00:46:29    Son had to think about that for a moment. Thank you, Mr. Ladino is 89 year built and we did not anticipate that he would be able to be present today. I would hope that the board members would understand that his inability to be present is based upon not only the circumstances surrounding COVID, but also his age habitat that David that was taken under oath and was in fact signed in front of a notary dated September the 16th, 2019, that I would like to have marked and moved into evidence and be a part of the record year tonight as though his testimony was provided in full as to comments made in the amphitheater, we can mark that as day one. However, he is not present for cross examination. I would caution the board members to not given the weight long  
Speaker 3     00:47:29    Life customer  
Speaker 2     00:47:31    And the further road wide. And they, one of the justifications that we would offer or the inability to give 10 feet or even five feet for future road winding, we will certainly Brandt a, an easement if there is road improvement, but I've included in the packet as well. And that was fucking secretary more recently. And I apologize that it wasn't part of the original submission last year is minutes from an October 10th, 1967 planning board hearing where township engineer, Mr. Henry and Eddie opined that because of the curiosity of this road and the lack of space available on the, the side of wiggly road where this property is situated, there is no likelihood really of any expansion actually opine that that was not going to occur. Mr. Hinterstein. And I had a discussion about that if that does, in fact occur, even five feet would be in my opinion. Oh, I'm sorry. It was that a member of the board.  
Speaker 3     00:48:42    I don't believe so.  
Speaker 2     00:48:45    Okay. I didn't hear that. I apologize, but if I may continue Mr. Chairman,  
Speaker 2     00:48:52    Thank you so five feet, if there was a road wide to you, and that would be a great difficulty because we're really talking about at that point, less than five feet from the widened road to the house itself. So we, we will grant that five foot easement for road widening purposes of future group. I have two witnesses this evening and I'm sorry about the long introduction, but hopefully the, the two witnesses will go by rather quickly. I have Ms. Carabella, who's present here today. And also, as I said, early on, her planner is coffin Mr. Chairman, with your permission, if I may have Ms. Carabello the applicant's for in  
Speaker 3     00:49:36    Cerebella. Can you hear me? Yes, I can. Okay. Would you please raise your right hand? You swear that the testimony you're about to give is true, so help you God. Yes, I do the name and address please. Sandra Paradillo 14 Spindrift road in Hartley beach, New Jersey,  
Speaker 2     00:49:56    And Mr. Chairman. Thank you, Ms. Carabello, you're familiar with this application also the property, because you've owned it for a number of years. Is that correct? You and your husband don't get together for some period of time as well. Is that correct? During your 30 plus years of ownership, can you describe for the board, what type of property this was in terms of the number of units and what it was used for?  
Speaker 3     00:50:29    It's always been a three family house, the bottom portion I lived with my sons, Alexander and Phillip Ladino. They taught has a two bedroom apartment that I rented to families, you know, with small children and the back apartment has one bedroom. And right now it's a rented to a single mom with a little girl, but it's always been as you know, we house.  
Speaker 2     00:50:57    Okay. You and your husband doubled it for approximately for portions of F 30 years, is that correct?  
Speaker 3     00:51:02    Correct. Until 1996.  
Speaker 2     00:51:07    Now, prior to you, your husband and you owning that house school in the house?  
Speaker 3     00:51:14    Samuel adeno and Franklin Dino.  
Speaker 2     00:51:18    Okay. And frankly, Dina is your uncle for marriage? Correct. Okay. And he's 89 years old as indicated before, right?  
Speaker 3     00:51:29    Correct.  
Speaker 2     00:51:31    Okay. Now you've had an opportunity to see the affidavit that he signed. Is that correct?  
Speaker 3     00:51:37    Yes.  
Speaker 2     00:51:38    Okay. And did you have an opportunity to speak to Mr. Ladino as well regarding this property?  
Speaker 3     00:51:45    Yes. I've spoken to many times actually. I spoke to him yesterday. And  
Speaker 2     00:51:54    I'm sorry, but throughout your marriage and knowing him for more than 30 years, you've had an opportunity to speak to him about this house. You not,  
Speaker 3     00:52:02    Yes, he was the one I bought it from him and, and pop  
Speaker 2     00:52:08    Pop would be his father. Correct.  
Speaker 3     00:52:10    Now pop his sandwich, Dino, my ex husband's father.  
Speaker 2     00:52:15    Now your frankly, you know, it indicated to you, how do you ever indicate to you that this house was built in the 1920s? Yes. Okay. And did he ever tell you since the time that it was built, how it was configured and how it was used?  
Speaker 3     00:52:33    It's always been same as it is right now that he is the Dino family, but downstairs and they rented out the top two apartments sometimes to relatives, but they always charged them rent because it was the depression. Then she, you know, after her husband died, she had to run the house by herself. So uncle Frank said, and actually my ex husband that she, he always charged them rent  
Speaker 2     00:53:04    To the best of your knowledge. And based upon your conversations with the owners who own this house continuously since 1920s, was there ever a break excuses, a three family residence. Mr. Chairman, I don't have any other questions for Ms. Carabella of the members of the board. Have any questions?  
Speaker 1     00:53:25    Anyone from the boy, every question to your comments from learning this application, anyone in the public portion, having your questions, your comments, environments, application portion is closed. Do you have any other prior to that? Any in the other witnesses?  
Speaker 2     00:53:50    Actually Mr. Mr. Chairman, if I may, Ms. Caravel, if I may just ask you questions about parking, one of the comments now you've indicated that their current units are completely rented out. How many occupants  
Speaker 3     00:54:05    For there? One in the downstairs apartment, my sons are in the upstairs apartment. There are two of them and the woman lives in the back. Who's a single mom. So there are 14 people, adult homeless, who live in the house right now.  
Speaker 2     00:54:19    Okay. And currently there's paved area for parking, for how many cars?  
Speaker 3     00:54:23    Four.  
Speaker 2     00:54:25    Okay. Immediately adjacent to your property. If you're looking at your property and you're standing on women to your property, to your left, there was a driveway, correct? Correct. And that starts off on your neighbor's property and it actually encroaches onto your property? Correct. Okay. And on occasion you've had your residents parking their vehicles there, is that correct?  
Speaker 3     00:54:53    Yes.  
Speaker 2     00:54:54    And up to two vehicles parked on that, is that correct?  
Speaker 3     00:54:58    I'm sorry. I didn't hear that  
Speaker 2     00:55:00    Question. Emission vehicles, two additional vehicles can park in that area immediately adjacent to your property and still permit the neighbor to park their cars and park their cars in the garage and driveway. Correct?  
Speaker 3     00:55:12    Actually I parked one car in the front and then I allow them to use the back, which is my, which is my property. I allow them to park on my side.  
Speaker 2     00:55:23    And you allow your neighbor to park there, correct? Correct. Now you and I have had discussions about how that driveway encroaches onto your property, correct? Yes. And if the board were to approve or to look at this application favorably, you would not be opposed to, to legalizing that encroachment by having a green with your neighbor, for parking in an access and parking agreement, would you? No, not  
Speaker 3     00:55:52    At all.  
Speaker 2     00:55:54    Okay. And now the field that you have currently for parking entirely on your property, which fits more car, you talked about. If this report said we want you to increase that paved area to accommodate two additional cards, you would also be agreeable to that. Would you not?  
Speaker 3     00:56:12    Yes.  
Speaker 2     00:56:14    I'm sorry. I, I, thankfully we have here that allows my planner to kick me virtually in the behind and remind me that I needed to cover another topic. That was a text message. I don't have any other questions for Ms. Carabello if the board members or the members of the public, if you wanted to open it up again, for that limited additional purpose,  
Speaker 3     00:56:43     hearing not in a public court, he was closed.  
Speaker 2     00:56:57    You have another witness, Mr. Michael, do we do, if I may call him his co his coffin, our planner That's okay. My apologies. I'm just coughing. Could you raise your right hand? Swear the testimony you're about to give shall be the truth so help you God. Yes, I do have your Prudential has been revoked for the bank half hour, and I bullshit that as a professional planner before the board Let's coffin. Thank you very much for reminding you very politely. You're familiar with the application and the site need to review the township zoning ordinance and driven by this date. Is that correct? Yes. As a licensed professional planner, have you had an opportunity to review the application and determine if there is a planning justification for this board being able to grant a section 68 relief, which we seek or in the alternative use for pets?  
Speaker 3     00:57:56    Yes. I'm looking first at the history of the site. There was no available history of approvals for the site for me to review, but I did take a look through historic aerials and they go back to 1931. And at that point, the structure is present on the site. It does support the testimony given that the house was constructed before that I know in the 1920s, of course, the home appears to remain in place throughout the years though. It's difficult to tell if the footprint changes because the early aerials are not of a high rate as the leaders in the areas do not allow me to determine the use. Only that the structure is in place before 1931 and doesn't appear to change throughout time. So the other record I had at my disposal to review was that affidavit from Franklin Dino and he resided in the structure from 1931 to 1950, his father built the home and the 1920s.  
Speaker 3     00:58:52    And he said that the three units were present by the time he arrived on the scene in 1931 with family living on the first floor, and then two second floor apartments being rented out sometimes to soldiers from the nearby camp Kilmer with separate entrances available to the second floor units as early as the 1950s and all of the work providing that was completed prior to the mid fifties. And I found that affidavit to be thorough and convincing. So then I looked at the ordinance and we have a structure that was on the site prior to the adoption of the zoning ordinance that rendered the use non-conforming 1953. And that sworn affidavit then supports that the presence of three units were on the site at that time. So my conclusion was that the applicant provided me enough evidence to support the use of his structure fencing sometime in the 1930s, prior to the adoption of the zoning ordinance and that predates zoning code. So the board may grant that applicant's request for a certificate of preexisting Arctic formity.  
Speaker 2     00:59:56    Thank you, Ms. Cole, anything further  
Speaker 3     01:00:01    Only if the board wants to hear the special reasons for D variants, but if you're going to determine that this is a pre-existing non-conforming use legally, then I can sit that part  
Speaker 2     01:00:13    If we can get that because you don't get it. You have the other witnesses, Mr. Ipol, before you want the board to consider the sort of certification performing usefulness. I do not have any witnesses. However, I will let the board know that if they wish to hear it from the immediately adjacent neighbor, who's also present with his wife, Mr. And Mrs. And that's the name? He techie their presence as well. Now, agreeing to speak with me. And if the board members have any questions of our witnesses or would certainly like to allow them or have any questions of them, well, do you wish to call them as witnesses or would you like me to open it to the public look and allow them to see? I don't have any specific questions. So before I open it to the public, perhaps they wanted to say something, Mr. Chairman, that may be appropriate to open it to the public at this time. Anyway, in the public portion, if you have any questions or comments, we this application.  
Speaker 3     01:01:16    Yes. Hi my .  
Speaker 2     01:01:20    Okay. Well, I need to swear you in and study. You can testify. Would you reach, release your life? Do you swear the testimony? You're about to give her one at a time, the name and address, name, and address.  
Speaker 3     01:01:42    Okay. My name is there are 8 8, 5 4, Piscataway,  
Speaker 2     01:01:49    Sir. My name is  . Thank you one at a time. Could you give us your comments please?  
Speaker 3     01:02:01    Okay. I think I'll speak for both of us. We just want to get support of the application, excuse us, where the immediate next to me, because I believe we're not the ones that were mentioned earlier. We're not the ones that have the driveway or the shared parking lot on the other sites. And we have absolutely no objections. We're very happy with the house and the way it's being used, the way the residents are parking their cars. There's no, I just wanted to show up and support them with.  
Speaker 2     01:02:30    Thank you. Are there any other members of the public that would like to be heard? Ms. Barkley? Can you see anybody else that wants to be heard? No, sir. We're good. Okay. Just trying to make a vote on whether or not you believe that your certificate of non-conforming, you should be granted  yes. Is Henry comfortable with the five foot temporary construction easement that Arvind mentioned before as a 10 foot?  
Speaker 1     01:03:17    Yeah. Let then we touch on that. Sean. I did speak with Mr. ISO about this and, you know, I explained to him that, you know, you know, the mayor, he wants to plant half width and whether the room gets improved somewhere down the line was really irrelevant. The master plan I have with the garage is five feet. I did explain to him that, and he's managed was perfectly acceptable for that purpose. In this particular case through the fact that the existing front yard setback was already so minimal, I would say at best. So I don't think there was any issue with that. And we did discuss the temporary construction easement. And in light of again, how close the house is to the property line. I don't see any issue where I have five foot temporary construction, but not be acceptable to the mayor and to the ministry in light of that. I think again, he had brought up the fact that back in 66 or 67, at that time, the engineer did not believe that there would be any road behind me at that time, approximately 15 or so years later, and things have changed. I'm sure at some point they may do some improvements to that room, whether or not they add sidewalk on that side of the road or something, that'll be determined at that point. You know, we don't get the easements and the right of way at this time or right away easements at this time.  
Speaker 1     01:05:06    So that's really my only comment. And as long as they have the enough parking, whether it's between onsite parking or the agreement with the neighboring, the only question is daily daily. John could just chime in on that, whether or not, you know, or jam whether or not that agreement is something that would be perpetual and move on with, you know, is it a deed restriction where somebody removes the understanding is that the driveway is to be used for both properties in the fashion, that degree  
Speaker 2     01:05:42    So that the requirement would be six off street spaces.  
Speaker 2     01:05:46    The question would be if the board approves this as a preexisting, nonconformance in offered through the owner to put two additional parking spaces in it, can we romance preexisting or do we end the reuse various with the condition? No, I believe he can grant a pre-existing as they're offering the add to additional spaces. I think more important is that he's what can check off the other. And Mr. Kinneally, I think that we haven't been able to contact the nailer. We've attempted to reach out to the neighbor, but we have not heard back from the neighbor. So I'm not holding out hope that we'll be able to get an easement there. So that's what monitoring is the alternative that we would, if we can't get the Eastman, we would construct the additional two parking spaces on our sites. That's fine moving. And I was going to make the point that as long as there's six off street spaces, where we can let the applicant figure out how to get them and to a limiter, interesting is concerned. It would be a perpetual easement that would run with the land. So even neighbors sold their property or Ms. Carabello sold her property. The, the benefits and the burdens would go to the new owners of the property as well.  
Speaker 2     01:07:11    I think that that's extended.  
Speaker 1     01:07:17    Yeah. I agree with that being said with the pyramid, I believe the applicant has met the burden of proof that this was a preexisting three family house, and I'd like to make a motion to approve.  see if licensed second is that she works, man. Please call  
Speaker 0     01:07:41    Mr. K hill. Mr. O'Reggio. Mr. Weisman, Mr. Zimmerman, Mr. Patel and Mr. Blake Chairman Blake approved.  
Speaker 1     01:08:04    Thank you so much. I appreciate that from the bottom of my heart. Thank you. Thank you. Next we have number 9, 1 35 from extreme.  
Speaker 2     01:08:30    Thank you, Mr. Chairman Arvin. I tall again for the applicant. 1 35 Fleming street, LLC. Let me also ask is I have before that your attorney, Mr. Kinneally, if he can determination as to whether the notice is proper and the board has proper jurisdiction in the sample patient as well, the notices provided were proper and the board has jurisdiction. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, we have five staff reports that we're working off on this property. We have fire Marshall, Frank cores memo approving this application dated February 20th of last year. We also have traffic commission opposition to this application dated 2019. And I'm gonna explain why there's a bit of a difference between the application as it was submitted and what is being proposed by this board because of use of certain verbiage. Let me do that just one second. We have the DNR report, maybe September 19th, 2019, our engineer will testify, Mr.  
Speaker 2     01:09:36    Casale that we can, I was all the conditions there. We have Mr. Chadwick's report and Mr. Chad, which report makes reference to flex space, what this application is about, and I'll touch upon that and how that goes back to the traffic commission's opposition to this application. And finally, we have Mr. Hinterstein report of June the 11th of 2020, as I said that this application, when this was originally submitted, unfortunately had the, the title that it would be for self storage. That was more choice of words, because this is not a traditional self storage facility. As members of the board wanted to notice self storage, self storage facilities, obvious spaces within a larger building or structure that are leased out or rented on a monthly basis, individuals that want to store their household goods or other things inside of there, members of the public you go, and there's often very high traffic volume with the application was corrected to show.  
Speaker 2     01:10:43    And what this application before the board tonight with this board is considering, is for reflect specs, Mr. Chadwick, properly inquires about first, what is defining what a flex space is. Some of you may be familiar with it. So I apologize if it seems as though I'm going over something very basic, but like space is just short verbiage or short form for flexible space. Generally it's a warehouse with office or showroom or both. That's also co located there. And because of the size of the structure itself, you may have either a very small tenants or may have a number of tenants depending on how large it is and how it can be accommodated.  
Speaker 2     01:11:29    Generally there's small warehouse operations for very small businesses, for instance, manufacturer of small circuit boards or a retailer or a wholesaler of a small circuit boards may keep those circuit boards there for application where sales to people, the end users that aren't the general public, the more common, what did we see flex space being helicase is among the various construction related affiliated trades. For instance, electrician who may need a spot to keep electrical supplies. When they go out to do jobs a little to construction job or home improvement or a fixing job, you may have their trucks parked there in the day or vans. What is what come in park, their vehicles take the company, van, get whatever goods or products they need to go out and do the jobs that they're going to be working on from the warehouse area. And then come back at the end of their job day and leave.  
Speaker 2     01:12:32    Or it's a plumber. For instance, that's renting out flex space. They may have all of their fittings and pipes and other instruments that use inside of the warehouse area. Again, same setup, but their operations may run from a nine to five too. They're doing emergency plumbing, for instance, a 24 hour operation. We're proposing quite literally to have to maintain that flexibility. You don't know who the tenant is. This is being built on spec as a flex space, but we are agreeing to certain conditions because we obviously don't want the township to stay. Yes, is something that would be otherwise unseemingly or on-site for instance, we're not going to have this as like a space or an auto body shop or auto detailing or automotive repair or for landscape. And we've also had conversations with the township attorney by way of a developer's agreement. We will limit the uses for the tenants that we permitted in that space. And we'd also the vehicles that would be allowed to park at that facility.  
Speaker 2     01:13:46    Again, after that long introduction, if I may, we have two witnesses that I'd like to call Mr Casale and again, this coffin is present here as well. I also have the applicant referred to the representative, the owner of the property, Mr. Brian Johnstone, who is present as well. If the board members have any questions. As I said earlier, we're putting through on specs that we really don't know who this tenant or tenants are going to be. If we have the two tenants facility. And finally, we have Mr. Steve DRUGA who if needed, would also testify. Board members do have plans that have been submitted by Mr. Droga. And one of the questions that Mr Chad Woodrow clients are asked about is what colors are we proposing? We have raised cinderblock on the bottom portion of the building, and then they steel steel siding above that. And that can be just about any color, but we will limit it to neutral, not offensive colors, no shocking thing or shocking blue. Generally they'll be neutral, but they're available in different colors and we'll work with the staff and the professionals for the township to make sure that there's nothing offensive. Doesn't that go up?  
Speaker 2     01:14:54    Mr. Chair permission. If I may call our first witness, Mr. Gazelle. Yeah. Sorry. Can you hear me? Yes. Like that was raised your right hand, sir. That's the money, but the issue, the truth. So help me, God, I know the name and address please. Robert Gaddafi, G a Z Z a L E 6 31 union avenue, Middlesex, New Jersey. And Mr. Chairman. Yes. Thank you, Bob. You're familiar with the application and the site and the, the changes that we've made to the app location since we first met at it last year. Is that correct? Yes. I am jump in here. I believe Mr. Gozali is a professional engineer who has appeared before the board on prior occasions. I have been licensed for 25 years or so and appeared in Piscataway many, many times. My practice or services are primarily site plan and something is unrelated. Mr. Chairman, I believe he is qualified.  
Speaker 2     01:16:02    Who appears as an engineer? Yes. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. . Can you give the board the benefit of a general overview of what's at the site currently and what we're proposing in terms of improvements? Sure. So the property street address is 1 35 Fleming street. It's located at the Southwest corner of Washington avenue and one eighth street it's a rectangular lot, has a 128 and a half feet of frontage on Fleming and a hundred 0.8 feet of frontage on Washington avenue and altogether 13,496 square feet. It's located in the  zone and is currently approved with a one story based in rebuilding asphalt, installing parking lot. And of course, Verizon tower, that was the subject of an application for the audits property some years ago. The lot currently is a hundred percent impervious. It is for average Washington avenue, which is an improved street curved and a, and does have a concrete sidewalk along the front of this particular lot, located to the south is Conrail located to the web is a vacant piece of property and enter the north is Fleming street, which is an unimproved street that is impacted somewhat by offside wetlands and, and associated transitionary.  
Speaker 2     01:17:56    What the applicant is proposing is to remove the existing one story building Y the current driveway to 24 feet out a form construct the parking lot for six spaces that parking lot would be paved. Of course, we do propose lighting and landscaping for that site. The, there was a question from public works. I think about how the property would be certified public utilities, and that building currently is connected to public water. And so that's exactly the application. As you had stated, proposed as a flex space building plumber or some other trade anticipation is they would drive their personal vehicles to the site, go about their business, and then return at the end of the work.  
Speaker 2     01:19:13    Mr. Ghazala, you've had an opportunity to review the various reports that were generated as a result of this application that I have first DNR report from first days, 19 20 19. Will we be able to comply with all of Mr Carly's comments? Yes, we will. Now, as I stated earlier there, the original application was submitted as a one-story self storage facility and the track hoes, the one story, self storage facility based on increased traffic volume, we're proposing is flex space would involve people at work. They're essentially coming. They're taking the vehicles parked there. And so the parking is really poor. The, the use of the, or that lessee. Yes, that's, that's my understanding. I don't have any other questions for this witness if the board members or public avenue  
Speaker 1     01:20:23    Be sure.  
Speaker 2     01:20:26    Yes. Unless Alison tells me otherwise  
Speaker 1     01:20:32    He shaking your head. No question. You're coming to the board. If Mr. ICL is, Bob's gonna testify this up with the items in the staff report, the garden, you know, just the typical general stuff that we have in there comply with Trump's problems, report, portable housing, the items that are in that  
Speaker 2     01:21:01    Well as for the affordable housing, that's an obligation of the law. So we don't have a choice. Okay. Whether it's in your report or not, it's going to be in terms of the stormwater management, the grading utility plugins that needs to be approved by Charlie Carly obviously, or Mr. George is notified that we will comply for title 39. We don't have a problem with the providing title 39 authority. The laws provided in my opening, the proposed colors of the building, and we'll work with the staff professionals and in the boat given sort of a definition of what flex use is. I'm not really sure Mr. Okay. I'm sorry.  
Speaker 1     01:21:57    No, I think there was just those other items. I just want to put it on the record. Sure.  
Speaker 2     01:22:10    Chairman, if there were any other members of the board or professional staff or members of the public, otherwise I'll call our next witness. Ms. Kaufman, I avoid question. Did providing play for this Bob I, there is John. The last plan revision was January of 2020, right? I'm not sure that those plans were circulated. It appears your memo is predates that as well as a totally Carly's mammos. So a lot of those items have been addressed, but yes, there is lighting flows on the site. And in fact, that had been in one of Henry's earlier memos Allston. So yes, that has been addressed. No other questions was June, Just Ms. Coffin. Mr. Chairman, did you want to open it up to the public for this witness? Or did you want to wait until the end? Okay. If I may call Ms. Coffin at this time again, this coffin, could you raise your right hand? Do you swear the testimony about the gifts you trust to help you get your name and address please?  
Speaker 3     01:23:28    Alison coffin, C O F F I N 14. Tilton drive, ocean township, New Jersey, still licensed.  
Speaker 2     01:23:35    I believe Ms. Coffin remains a qualified professional planner to testify before the board. Thank you, Ms. Coffin. You're familiar with this application site as well as, are you not? Yes. And we're before the zoning board, because we have two uses in one, on one side because we have a cell tower there as well. Is that correct?  
Speaker 3     01:23:57    That's correct.  
Speaker 2     01:23:58    Okay. So why don't you walk us through the planning justifications for granted this application based on your expertise in the field of planning?  
Speaker 3     01:24:10    It's my opinion that special reasons exist for the granting of the requested use variance and the granting of the variance would not impair the intent and purpose of the master plan of the zoning ordinance, nor would it result in a substantial detriment to the health, safety, and general welfare of the public. The proposed mixed uses of the site, the flex space, which consists of uses that are otherwise permitted in the zone under an umbrella that is not a self listed as a permitted use. And the cell tower on the site that makes them use as advances, the purposes of the municipal land use law. And that the site is particularly suited to this proposed mix of uses. We have a site that's unique in several ways. It significantly undersides having an area that's less than a third of the minimum area for the zone. This was excited, has a history of mixed use, including the cell tower and another principal structure and the subject site abuts, a dead end street on one side of paper street on another side.  
Speaker 3     01:25:04    And the railroad on the third side, the subjects' site already contains both the spell tower and a second principle structure. So the proposal new use. So the other flex space that we're asking to introduce to this site consists of uses that are themselves permitted in the zone, a warehousing office and light manufacturing. And including that those permitted uses in addition to the existing cell tower on the site allows for a proper full utilization of the site while not interfering with a preexisting cell tower that was previously approved for the property, a couple of bulk variances that are associated with this, and they can be granted under the C1 hardship standard. We have a lot that's undersized in terms of area with in-depth and these are all existing conditions. The accessory front and side yard setback variances are for the existing equipment shelters serving that cell tower.  
Speaker 3     01:25:55    And there's no change or impact to these existing variances. The front yard setback variance for the new structure is consistent. The existing front yard setback for the existing building. This is measured to Fleming street. So we have a variance that's driven by the undersized nature of the lot. There, the fact that it is on a corner lot with two front yards, and this leaves little usable building on envelope for the property. And when we applied to front yards to this corner property, but this front yard variance condition is proposed to be measured from flattening street, which is a paper street and unimproved in this location. And it's not likely that this street is ever to be improved. So in other words, Fleming street at this point is not a public thoroughfare, rather it functions as a buffer zone between the subject site and the adjacent neighbor under these conditions, the front yard on this side of the site functions more like a side yard and the setback that's proposed, it's consistent with this function.  
Speaker 3     01:26:51    There's no detriment that would result from the variances that are being requested. The proposed use of the new building, which consists of uses that are permitted in the zone is permitted and has no detriment to the zone. The land, the cell tower used on the site is an existing passive use that generates little traffic and will not be impacted by nor have any impact on the proposed use in the new structure in the property. The bulk variances for the size of the lot are existing. The front yard setback or post is measured from a paper street and we'll have no harm to light air and open space or the visual environment for the pub or for the adjacent neighbor. The use of startings itself would not substantially impair the intent and purpose of the master plan and zoning ordinance as the use in this case is appropriately located in an industrial zone. So for those reasons, it's my opinion. That special reasons exist for the granting of the use variance and there's positive reasons for the granting of the bulk variances. And they can be granted without detriment to the health, safety, and general welfare of the public. And the granting of the variances would result in the use and improvement of the site in a manner which is consistent with the intent of both the master plan and the development ordinance.  
Speaker 1     01:28:04    Thank you. Thank you.  
Speaker 2     01:28:09    I have no other witnesses,  
Speaker 1     01:28:14    This, that anywhere in the public portion, if you have any questions or comments regarding testimony, we've heard on this application, every motions to be heard,  
Speaker 2     01:28:30    Mr. Chairman, Mr. Ms. Buckley, do you see any member of the public that wishes to be heard?  
Speaker 1     01:28:34    No, I do not  
Speaker 2     01:28:37    Chairman like all. I think the board is interested in, in some conditions limiting the use of this property. I understand Mr. Chairman, I would ask that the board consider this application favorably with the following conditions, which I've spoken to my client about first that the interior space will only be for one or two tenants. Second, that there shall be no mezzanine level inside of the building. Third is that the permitted users shall include traits such as HVAC, electrical, plumbing, kitchen, and bathroom contractors that the fifth or fourth, I should say prohibited uses shall be landscaping auto repair, autobody, and auto detailing, no retail or wholesale operations and no self storage use the other uses permitted zone. Wouldn't be permissive. Number five that no use is permitted in the BPA zones would be allowed with a number six that no storage of bulk materials, either inside the structure or outdoors. Number seven, the parking lot of construction vehicles will be prohibited on the site inside. However, is permitted number eight, up to four automobiles pickup trucks or work vans or work vehicles maybe parked overnight.  
Speaker 2     01:30:04    Number nine, no shirt showrooms of any kind or to be permitted. Number 10, no use involving members of the public coming to the site. And number 11, then all of the conditions of the approval shall be inserted into each lease for each user of the property. In addition to that, Mr. , would you be agreeable that this resolution, the recording with Middlesex county? I'm sorry. We would not have an objection to that item. Okay. Mr. Chairman, the applicant has addressed all of the conditions that I was going to request to make sure that this used was consistent with what the township wants in this area.  
Speaker 1     01:30:52    Very good. Thank you. Read. Ready to event Vienna.  
Speaker 2     01:31:01    Well, we now had a little bit more testimony, so it may be beneficial to open it to the public. One more time to see if there are any comments on the latest conditions  
Speaker 1     01:31:09    And you're waiting the public portion recovers. Lisa mentioned testimony. Have you heard hearing none, Mr. Chairman? I would like to make an application with the condition just mentioned by Mr. Eyeball to approve it's application by Mr. O'Reggio ever second. Yeah. Second Kalpesh Patel. Second mission. Please call her old Mr. K hill. Yes. Mr. O'Reggio unmute yourself.  
Speaker 2     01:32:04    Did you hear me,  
Speaker 0     01:32:06    Mr. O'Reggio? Yes. Thank you, Mr. Weissman, Mr. Zimmerman, Mr. Patel And chairman Blake.  
Speaker 2     01:32:20    Yes. Okay. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you. Ma'am. Thank you. Thank you very much. We have item number 11, your honor. Joan. Thank you.  
Speaker 2     01:33:16    You here I am here. Can everybody hear me? Yes. Good evening. Members of the board. My name is Tim arch. I'm an attorney licensed in the state of New Jersey on behalf of the applicants, but may I ask the board attorney to acknowledge our proper notice and jurisdiction in this matter notice was proper and the board has jurisdiction to proceed. Thank you a little bit of background. This is a section 68 pre-existing non-conforming use applications. And in the alternative we're asking for a use variance that is not granted this application in term of discerns, a farm property. It consists of three parcels, includes a farm stand commonly known as John and Jones roads. If everybody's familiar with them, I would imagine that everybody has been the heritage some time or another. It's pretty much an institution in Piscataway. I think it has been for generations. And while many of you know is that it is actually a working farm.  
Speaker 2     01:34:23    That's complete with livestock on it's been used as a farm continuously since well before 1953, which is what the zoning code line into effect you should have submitted with this application, copies of newspaper clippings that actually date back to the 1930s that advertise the stay home, both crops and livestock, such as pigs and goats from that property. Those debts were included in the package and the board has them. They were included in the application. They should have, it has been in the Loria family since 1957. They purchased the property from the live ex the deed from 1957, actually lists to Michael Lauria B at first Gloria as farmer and housewife. I'm going to venture to guess that she probably did her fair share of farming as well, but that's how they listed it. We have two planned witnesses tonight. First is Kristen and Lauria. She is the proprietor of the road stands because he is the granddaughter of Joan Loria at night is the Joan and John and Jones.  
Speaker 2     01:35:31    Joan, as well as available tonight, if a board has any specific questions for you, I will know she's 85 years old and we did provide a certification along with our application. Justice do not have to just serve her at this late hour, unless it's absolutely necessary farmers traditionally get up early and she's no exceptions. I would ask that the provided certification be marked and moved into evidence, subject to cross examination. She is available if absolutely necessary for cross examination. If the board wishes Mr. Archer was that affidavit submitted with your package, your application package, it was submitted with the application package. It was notarized as well. You should have it. And the board all hazards does not need to be part of your application as part of the outfit. Thank you.  
Speaker 2     01:36:23    We also have planned or Alison coffin, who I hope you remember from a couple of minutes ago, a couple of housekeeping matters before we began. There are a couple staff reports, which I'll go through briefly. There's one from Mr.  indicating that the public works has no comment that the application I have one from the traffic commission indicating that they foresee no issue. As long as the animals are contained with proper fencing and do not cause the traffic hazard. We certainly have no objections to that. And you'll hear for testimony how the animals are housed. We also have a report from Mr. Chadwick dated December 12th, 2019. We are prepared to address all of those comments through, through testimony, both of crystal Floria and, and our planner. And finally, we have a memorandum from Mr. Hinterstein dated June 17th of this year. I'll go through those briefly. We will provide the appropriate planning testimony through our planner.  
Speaker 2     01:37:33    I believe that the request for number two has been, has been removed by Mr. Hinterstein. That's my understanding that we no longer need an updated survey. I will points three, is that there is a signed currently in the right of way. We do acknowledge that there is sign early the township, right of whites. We will be removing that sign. We want to work with the township to determine a appropriate location, to move that to, we have proposed two locations, which we have sent for, for review. I think the best way to address that is by way of a developer's agreement. We want to make sure that where it goes to and is acceptable to the township and is acceptable when you consider future road widening along stout road. So we can address that through the developer's agreement points 4, 5, 6, and seven as well. We would propose to address by way of a developer's agreement. So if the condition was granted, that would be, or if this, this application is granted would be subject to that developers.  
Speaker 2     01:38:48    So since it's getting late, without further ado, I think we can go to our first witness who is miss Kristen Lorianne, who I believe is on before I swear, Ms. Laurie and Mr. Arch it, I, I don't think there's any doubt from the documents that you submitted, that this was a work group, one on tech at some point since then, what is there not a subducting created? Some, I believe residential builds. So there was a subdivision that, that did occur that split the property into these three existing lots right now, the, at the time the sub division, the idea was to turn them into a residential lots. Currently, there are only two homes on two of the properties and they are not divided by any form of fencing. There is still essentially one continuous property and the farming has continued through there. So our position is that the use has not, has not been abandoned during that time period.  
Speaker 2     01:39:56    There is case law to suggest that once a subdivision occurs, there is a intensification of that non-conforming use. And that, that at that time would be the appropriate time to either request the certification work or abandoned the certification at that time. That is why we're asking in the alternative for use variance. But I will point out that all those boxes under common ownership of the same family. And I would dictate that again, does the farming, the use has been continuous throughout. So there'll be testimony as to that. And, and that's why I brought that up. It's relevant for your witnesses, including Ms. Coffin to give us your experience testimony, because it may be that he use variants is appropriate, even in light of the fact that we recognize that this use has gone on the 19th, correct. And where prepared to address that. Thank you. Your first witnesses. That would be miss Kristen. Lauria Kristen, can you hear us? Can you raise your right hand? Swear the testimony you're about to give shall be the truth, so help you God.  
Speaker 3     01:41:07    Yes, I do  
Speaker 2     01:41:08    Your name and address please.  
Speaker 3     01:41:10    Kristen. Lauria my home address is eight Ruth place, Piscataway New Jersey. Like  
Speaker 2     01:41:19    If I make one, yes, please. So, Ms. Gloria, you might've, if I just call you Kristin for purposes of a sentence, So Kristen, how long have you been at the property  
Speaker 3     01:41:31    At the, well, at my personal home address. So we're here at the road stamps.  
Speaker 2     01:41:38    All  
Speaker 3     01:41:38    Right. So I grew up here at the road stand and till I was, I was eight, but then I was here every weekend. My grandparents owned the properties. I grew up farming the farm, the actually the land that, that I own the residence on now, which is the acres place, which is the oldest property. So I moved into that location. What my, my dad built that home and I moved in there in 2000. I believe it was, I want to say eight. I think it was 2008. When I sold my home over on, on west fourth, we'll get in there. And since then I own the property with my mom and dad had passed away. And so I've been there since then. So basically the only time I was out of this location of this was when I was married and that was, you know, brief time from the early two thousands through 2008.  
Speaker 2     01:42:27    Okay. And that entire time that you've been familiar with the property and, you know, Matt to be th to be an active farming property.  
Speaker 3     01:42:34    Yes.  
Speaker 2     01:42:36    And that's had both produce and crops grown as well as lifestyle.  
Speaker 3     01:42:42    Yes, absolutely. I actually found a couple of old photos of the properties when it was farmed the other day. That was really nice to see like the whole staff where my desk was.  
Speaker 2     01:42:53    And so, and you're currently still using it for farming purposes, correct?  
Speaker 3     01:42:56    Yes, exactly. We are doing that. And since my son is now 19 and he was able to help me a little bit more, we've added, you know, some, some other, you know, we've added being able to add some more farming to it, which was harder to do on my own. You know, for like a few years I worked a full-time job also. So now I'm just doing this  
Speaker 2     01:43:16    And briefly criticism. Can you tell us what types of produce that you're growing there  
Speaker 3     01:43:20    Right now? Let's see. We just pick some stuff. We're good. Tomatoes. We've got string beans. Actually. We just picked brussel sprouts. There is carrots, the Piney boards. I just planted some pumpkins and then I have stuff growing inside the greenhouse too. I know I'm missing some things. A lot of it, I seeded myself  
Speaker 2     01:43:40    And, and those growing processes. Again, I, that occurring on all three of those lots there.  
Speaker 3     01:43:46    Yeah. So what I do is, I mean, there's a lot of right now, the middle lot is a lot like the animals and stuff worked on that, that middle lot. And we're trying to expand that. Like, that's what I said with my son, being able to do more now that he's out of school. So we're trying to work our way down there. And then on my personal property, that's where many things get stored, even stuff that we have to bring for. Cause there's a whole process when you're doing this planting and stuff and some things have to go in for the, for the winter and this and that. So I have a hole behind my pool area. I have a whole back lot where I replanted any shrubs. We didn't sell things like that. And I've got my herbs growing that I sell on the stand that we use. You know, we use it and we're actually expanding the use. Now that, like I said, we had some more hands on deck here. I guess  
Speaker 2     01:44:33    You talked a little bit about the animals that you have on the property. What kind of animals do you have and, and how are they having?  
Speaker 3     01:44:40    So we have a few goats. They have a, they have their own house. They get locked in every night and that there's a, a goat fence around them, but they have plenty of room Jerome, their, their area. And that's, that's the goal. And they in there is, I don't know exactly how many, but there's, there are some chickens. And can you still see me?  
Speaker 2     01:45:07    I think the video went off. We can still hear you.  
Speaker 3     01:45:10    Yeah. I don't know where I did my background.  
Speaker 2     01:45:13    Audio audio is fine. I don't think.  
Speaker 3     01:45:17    Okay. All right. I don't know what I did. Sorry about that. It's on. All right. So, so basically what the, the chickens, there's two, there's two coops. They're in the same area, but they're, they're separated, but they're all, it's all enclosed and such and they eat very healthy. There's any fruit and vegetables that are not good enough to, so they certainly can get a lot of those. So that's written me. I have a couple of rabbits in the room. Yeah. A little,  
Speaker 2     01:45:42    I was going to ask about the rapids cause the rabbits are going on for that, to your knowledge, there's been farming the doctor on the property during the entirety of your family's ownership and in fact, while providing  
Speaker 3     01:45:54    Correct. Absolutely. Since I was a little girl, I have a big tractor on my back. I mean the tattoo. Sorry.  
Speaker 2     01:46:02    So Mr. Mr. Chairman at this time, I don't have any further questions if we can open it up to questions from the board. Okay.  
Speaker 3     01:46:09    The board of December questions.  
Speaker 2     01:46:16    Yeah. We just put a curious note, RB other egg provided by the chicken.  
Speaker 3     01:46:23    Yes. Yes. Would you like some they're very delicious. Very delicate. Yes. Yes.  
Speaker 2     01:46:43    No one raised their hand Chairman.  
Speaker 3     01:46:46    They really  what we were over.  
Speaker 2     01:46:57    I'm blowing Ms. Bubbly open to the public for questions. And there were none. So it may be time to call your next witness. Okay. Yes. Thank you. At this time, we will call Ms. Coffin. I believe she's still sworn in and I would hope that he would still recognize her as being a planning. I believe technically I have to swear her in again. Indication. Could you raise your right hand? Do you swear the testimony you're about to give shall be the truth so help you  
Speaker 3     01:47:25    God. Yes, I do  
Speaker 2     01:47:27    Your name and address.  
Speaker 3     01:47:29    Alison coffin 14 Tilton drive, ocean township, New Jersey, still licensed planner  
Speaker 2     01:47:34    Often has previously been accepted by the board as a professional planner several times. Very recently. Thank you. Miss a coffin. You've had an option to review this application. Is that correct?  
Speaker 3     01:47:46    That's correct.  
Speaker 2     01:47:48    And as your analysis, have you come to formulate any sort of opinions as to the relief being sought?  
Speaker 3     01:47:54    So looking first at the section 68, whether or not this is illegal pre-existing non-conforming use, I was not able to find any zoning or approval history for the site. The aerial history does show that there's a farm clearly in existence. Well before 1953, but I was provided with a number of newspaper records that established this farm being active as early as December 31st, 1934, when there was an ad for a livestock, another ad for livestock and March 6th, 1936 and then June 7th, 1943, it was a newspaper article called the historic housing Piscataway Township sold to farm former Highland park residents. Talking about this property established the farm was president at that time, said the house, the farmhouse was already a hundred years old as of 1943, identifies other structures on the property is there being foreigns and it leads to green houses. And does state that as of 1943, the land was being farmed.  
Speaker 3     01:48:58    Then another article in March 13th, 1976, no plastic keys at John and Jones, which identified this site again as a roadside farm stand. So we were able to establish that this farm predates the ordinance and does continue to open, farmed up until the present. So it does it with regard to the section 68 request. It appears that it would be absolutely appropriate to determine that this is illegal pre-existing non-conforming use now as to the use variance, the addition of a new home on the property and the subdivision could trigger, use variance relief, but I would respectfully disagree with the board's planner. He said in his report, it's a D one. I think it would be a D two. It's a technical expansion of a preexisting non-conforming use by way of intensifying the site through the addition of a single family home on the property and the subdivision.  
Speaker 3     01:49:55    So looking at it as a D two variance, that's my opinion that special reasons exist for the granting of that variance. The Supreme court has the case of Burbridge versus the governing body of mine hill, which examined the criteria to be considered by a board where you're looking at a D two variance to expand a pre-existing non-conforming use the court determined that when the special reasons concept is applied to the expansion of an existing non-conforming use things such as appearance, aesthetics, and compatibility of the use for the surrounding neighborhood becoming deeply significant, especially if there's no evidence that the use will be discontinued. In this instance, the site contains a preexisting non-conforming farm, which has chickens and other livestock and a roadside farm stands. There is no evidence that the use will be discontinued. The expansion in this case is technical in nature that the use itself has not gotten larger.  
Speaker 3     01:50:50    Rather the intensity of the use is considered to have been expanded by the nature of the lot being made smaller than subdivision and the inclusion of another single family home on the property, the overall reduction in the size of the farm itself, that results from having a single family home occupied part of that property reduces the impact of farming on the surrounding areas by nature and making the farm itself a little bit smaller. So while this is technically a D two variants to expand to use in reality, the use is being made a little bit smaller, which improves the compatibility of the use with the surrounding area. And this variance can be granted without detriment. The farm itself is longstanding and has been evidenced to be present on the site for at least 86 years, probably far longer. There's no detriment that comes to the neighborhood from the reduction in the actual footprint of the farm.  
Speaker 3     01:51:43    It does not increase the impact in any way to make the, the farm use a little bit smaller and the variance would not substantially impair the intended purpose of the master plan and farting and zoning ordinance. The use has been present for decades, predates the ordinance by at least 20 years, the subdivision created a new lot that now has another conforming use on it, a single family house, which brings that portion of the site more into conformity with the ordinance and reduces the footprint overall, the pre-existing non-conforming use. So for those reasons, it's my opinion that the use variance is being requested is appropriate. It's supported by the application and the board can granted without detriment to the health, safety, and welfare of the general public you're muted, further testimony.  
Speaker 2     01:52:45    My apology, my mic was muted no further, no further witnesses at this time, I would open the, the floor up to questions of Ms. Coffin by the board and by the public and Mr. Tim and Sean kale. We addressed the proposed by location, but the rest of Mr Hinterstein, I didn't have, has not been addressed as long as we can do that right now, but certainly I can address that the temporary construction easement and the other condition, I would mean the memory we're, we're prepared to address through a developer's agreement with the town, the sidewalks, and the curbing. We are prepared to certainly make concessions as to the repair or the creation of those as burned out as the developer's agreement. But we want to talk to that to the township and make sure that what we agree upon is acceptable to the township. So that's why the subject to the developers green  
Speaker 1     01:53:58    Mr. Cagle, I believe that in earlier on in this artist's statement, he said that they would work. You need to work with the tantric paternity to create a developer's agreement that it dressed. I believe all the condition in this therapy before a exception of our belief item, number two, which I didn't have an issue with. And I believe everything else was going to be worked out of the catch maternity and develop.  
Speaker 2     01:54:28    Can I interject don't one point, I don't know, the developer's agreement can place the design on the property. It's unlikely. There's going to be visuals on ratings, which signage, I think maybe if you can give a global positioning with the boy, good educated is proud of its action on this days. I think if you put it in the developer's agreement, then you go to get a bid for it. It's not going to block. You have to come back again. I mean, I open up the front of that servicer, a tablet, the condition is to move it out of the right of way. And we certainly are acknowledging and agreed to move it out of the right of way. The question then becomes obviously with looking forward to future road, widening and future improvements along stealth road, we don't want move that site and place it someplace that is then going to have to be moved in, in short order.  
Speaker 2     01:55:39    The road becomes if the road widening occurs. So part of that, you asked the board to authorize the relocation of the sign to the do right away lines, grow that way. It is a position for it because otherwise, if you go to zoning to get that giant, there's no variance. Here's what we would. I go to fake grant that we leave, that you would, that we would certainly agree to move the site someplace to within the new right of way. We have absolutely no objection to that outside the do right, Alex do correct outside the new runway. That's my only comment. You're great. Okay, great. I can include language in any resolution or approval that reflects that. I don't know whether the board wants to discuss the animals or not. I mean, I know what's there, but maybe they want to raise some pigs up day or something like that. You know, that I don't think that's going to fit on this fall.  
Speaker 2     01:57:00    Remanent going a property they're independent. Yeah. If I can't, if I can't, I'm more than happy to address that, that concern. There's obviously health and safety regulations. There's obviously animal husbandry regulation. And there's obviously right to farm regulations that dictate how the animals have to be housed. The number that can fit in reasonably on a piece of farming property. So those would obviously all apply interrupt you. You could put big some this property that could be a compliance to all the regular pitcher he was talking about. So I don't think they want to do that. Maybe you could ask your client and she says, no, no bigs that'll do it. I don't think there's any, I don't think there's any proposal to, to put things on the property sometime in the future, but I I'm hesitant to, to opine as to every animal that could possibly, because anything else is not going to fit well, Mr. Arch let's do it this way. Your client described some of the animals currently on the site, since you're here for a non-conforming use to add any additional variety of animals to maybe an expansion of the non-conforming use. Are you, do you agree to be limited to the animals, that type of animals that are currently on the site? My issue with that is that I believe the right to farm act, a New Jersey would, would stand in contrast. That is the, the farm itself. It is own the permits permits it.  
Speaker 2     01:58:49    And every my understanding is that replaced the New Jersey, the right farm macro box is this, I don't believe it is this property. It says qualified bond. I do not believe so. Can I tell her isn't it, the only way you can get a farm assessment, January $25,000 income, we don't want to go there. We just say that we will not have pigs. That's fine, but I would have to, I would have to confer with my client. I wouldn't have to ask if Ms. Laurie is the lawn. If that is a, if that is a condition that was not a condition that was previously discussed. So I would have to add that that is something that she can agree to, which I have when I have no interest in many pics, they don't really think she's okay. If my client's okay with the green, with no pigs, then we can make that a condition notification. And then the other large animals will not beat the egg whites bigs to, okay. Mr. Hinterstein here. Any other comments or any other conditions that we discussed that haven't been put on the record?  
Speaker 1     02:00:16    I do believe so. John Raj, good point about the side. I think everything else we can, can be handled within the developer's agreement and  
Speaker 2     02:00:30    The parking lot.  
Speaker 1     02:00:32    Yeah. I think there was some talks about that. I think they're going to pay the apron, not the parking lots are going to repair any damage, curbing and sidewalk, any improvements along Ruth place, I think is going to be put off until the time when the develop the additional residential lot. At that time, it will be a requirement to install the improvements in front of that lot, which is where I think the gap exists currently. And then a road I think, is being handled by the county when they, when they improve that roadway in the near future.  
Speaker 2     02:01:09    And Mr. Roberts, is it your understanding that when the middle lot on Ruth's place is transferred at some point outside of the family, that's when it would trigger the curb and sidewalk report requirement and law, correct? What? That was the discussion and that will all be memorialized and development.  
Speaker 1     02:01:26    Yeah. Actually, Jimmy doesn't even have to be transferred. Any sort as a building permit goes in for that lot, the requirement would be based on township ordinance. Now that sidewalk in curving will to be  
Speaker 2     02:01:39    Installed like it. Mr. Chairman, it may be appropriate to go out to the public.  
Speaker 1     02:01:47    And there was this time in the Butler portion. Every questions, comments. When you learn news applications,  
Speaker 5     02:01:56    I would like to say something.  
Speaker 1     02:01:59    Okay, here's the screen.  
Speaker 2     02:02:01    Could we have your name?  
Speaker 5     02:02:03    My name is Elsa more attention. I live on 3 92 Dryden street in Piscataway.  
Speaker 2     02:02:11    Can you spell your last name, please?  
Speaker 5     02:02:13    Am O R T E N S E N.  
Speaker 2     02:02:18    Okay. Ms. Mortenson, I need to swear you in, could you raise your right hand, Swear that the testimony you're about to give shall be the truth so help you God.  
Speaker 5     02:02:27    Yes, I do.  
Speaker 2     02:02:28    Thank you. Please give us your comments.  
Speaker 5     02:02:31    And my comment is I've lived in Piscataway since the late 1950s, and I have been a frequent customer of John and John's probably since the seventies and I don't move anybody net paid better neighbors or farm stand. You can go to, I do frequent ShopRite and stop and shop for vegetables and fresh eggs. And these people have been like top notch, excellent customer service. I've been back to visit the animals. Like she said, they're cage well kept. And so this is looking at snuggle sites for me. And I know we don't have too many of them left them to scat away. And I think this is the only working farm left leftist to scattering. My mom grew up here. She was born in the twenties. And I just want to thank you, John and Joan and, and thank you. I hope you vote for the usage thing so they can smoke be an existent. Thank you.  
Speaker 2     02:03:30    Thank you.  
Speaker 1     02:03:33    Thank you. Anyone else,  
Speaker 2     02:03:36    Laura? Do you see anybody else that was just to be heard?  
Speaker 1     02:03:40    No, I do not. This title is anyone else from Republic? Any motions on the floor or wherever the other?  
Speaker 2     02:03:56    Mr. Chairman. It's Shawn  
Speaker 1     02:03:57    Cato. Yes. Mr. Gale,  
Speaker 2     02:04:00    On a personal note, I've been Piscataway resident for over 20 years and I Hello? Yeah, we can hear your shot. Oh, I'm sorry. Like I said, I've been, I've been a resident of Piscataway for over 20 years. And since I've been here, I've gotten my Christmas tree every year from John the Jones. During the spring, we pick up our tomatoes and corn from there. It's an institution in Piscataway and I am honored to actually ask the chairman to approve this application.  
Speaker 1     02:04:40    You've I'll second, that motion. Or you made to approve by Mr.  by Mr. Weiss to approve a tablet.  
Speaker 0     02:04:50    Mr. Kao. Yes. Mr. O'Reggio.  
Speaker 1     02:04:55    Yes.  
Speaker 0     02:04:56    Mr. Weissman, Mr. Zimmerman, you know Mr. Patel and Chairman Blake.  
Speaker 1     02:05:05    Yes. Mr. Archie obligation has been approved, memorialize it in our next meeting. Thank you so much. Thank you very much. We have already been number 11 adoption. Congratulations. The regular meeting. There were no resolutions from that meeting. Okay. Number 12, adoption of the minutes from the regular 11 20 20 A I make a motion to adopt the meeting of June 11, 20, 20  or Steve license. Mr. Weitzman fearful  
Speaker 0     02:05:56    Mr. Cahill. Mr. O'Reggio. Mr. Weissman, Mr. Zimmerman, Mr. Patel and chairman Blake.  
Speaker 1     02:06:09    Yes, the chairman. I'd like you to make a motion to adjourn this meeting. Second, the motion  by Mr. White, please.  
Speaker 0     02:06:26    All in favor. All right. Thank you.  
Speaker 1     02:06:34    All right, guys, Before then be safe. All right.  
Speaker 0     02:06:52    All right. Goodnight. All right. Night Allen.  
Speaker 1     02:06:56    I can't stand up.  
Speaker 0     02:06:58    Neither can I think of my butt fell asleep. All right. Goodnight, everyone. Shut it off. Good  
Speaker 1     02:07:07    Night.  
Speaker 0     02:07:09    Bye. All right, let me shut this off and meeting and meeting for all. There we go.  
Speaker 0     02:07:42    Oh my God. Now it has to convert. I get away from this fucking thing to convert.  
Speaker 0     02:08:12    All right, come on record. Why isn't this thing doing it? Tell us closure. Here we go. Now it has to convert. Oh my God.  
Speaker 4     02:08:28        oh my God. What is. 


	

Minutes for Piscataway Zoning meeting on June 25 2020