Transcript for Piscataway Zoning meeting on November 12 2020

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Speaker 0     00:00:00    And chairman up here. Well, everyone, please stand for the salute to the flag. One nation under God, indivisible with Liberty, Mr. Camilli, do we have any changes to tonight's agenda? Yes, we do. The application of Husan li 1795. Olive street is postponed until December 10th, 2028. Most must notice the public and publish. The second change we have is Lynn Skalla, 26 Seward avenue. That is postponed until December 10th, 2020. They have already noticed. So no further notice is necessary. Those are all the changes that I have. I apologize. I did not make notes of that again. So if I pull up an application, Mr. Caneel you'll tell me to skip over it, please. Yes, I will. Thank you. Let's start with item number five Z 20 ZB 47, B Abraham of the Lawson is Mr. Abdel Saeed here. Let's say you. Yes. Let's say families here. And you are, sir. This is, he brought him out to say it 1 61 Johnson avenue. And my wife where you sworn in at the prior hearing. Yes, I did. And you both remained sworn in to tell the truth? Yes we do. Okay. I understand that you've made some revisions. Can you explain those to the board please? Absolutely. I would like first to introduce my architect. His name is  and he's with us also in that meeting. Hey man. Could do you want us right here? So my name is  .  
Speaker 0     00:02:07    Okay, sir, could you spell your name please? First, both please. Oh, you bet. E Y M a N E. He's my lead mother Jordan's. And last name has been baling E M B E. And you were not present at the last meeting where you that's where I need to swear you in. Could you raise your right hand? You swear the testimony you're about to give shall be the truth, so help you God, I do. You're an architect. If admitted in the state of New Jersey, how long have you been an architect in New Jersey? About two years now. I graduated from this, the Institute of technology, Madison architecture.  
Speaker 0     00:03:00    Have you ever appeared before a zoning board or planning board before? Yes and no worries. Your hand is foreigners and there was a CB Mr. Chairman. I believe the witnesses qualified as an architect. Thank you, Jim. For that, please proceed, sir. Could you explain the changes that there have been to the, the plan, the screen? Sure. So compared to the previous plan, so is already worth, we are seeking in this Friday where I didn't get five additional . So previously we had a setback previously on Williams street and he had his head back when we're made aware to narrow and we needed more clearance there. And we ended up increasing the flavors  though, and not matches on this. So we're not really going across the CDs we can split, you'll see across the screen.  
Speaker 0     00:04:24    So we aren't shorted to match that. So we are, you know, as you already aware, we are seeking, there is what the front back on the field. And so hold on the building right now and send back in the 36 point 20 feet. And it's things parents sent back about . So, and Belli, I am having trouble hearing you. I don't know if anybody else is. Can you, can you hear me down? That is, that seems to be better. Okay, fantastic. So what I was saying is that we are seeking, and I don't know if you find that you are seeking a various condition, right? This is terrace first. And it said, the said nine feet from the street from the random way. So we I'm seeking a barrier for that as well. So when the other barriers that we seeking those of our additions, and we are trying to match the setback of the extra stability you have to be here, the minimum required is 25 feet set back is 21.4 and we have in addition to it.  
Speaker 0     00:05:51    So based on my discussion with the owner and the planner, one thing that was made in where, on the news that it put me at an addition here, it was unfortunate. Unfortunately, the setback on Williams street better, we were better off relocating our addition to the rear of the building. And that's the, what would be, so, one thing that you will know is is that, you know, our, our coverage was slightly, but it's not due to the time that we really did, like substantially Paige into the bag was arming the minimum, pinpoint 10 feet, keeping 10 foot 40 feet. So what we did was we actually had it. How did DECA? We were proposing here, friend didn't need them. We had nothing, you know,  provide enough space for the, the bedroom. So home and other things that would be amended as part of this, based on we had proposed, I was six foot, six foot high fence, a little bit was in here and it was too close to the right away to  recommendations, 10 feet from the, we were proposing insurance painting from the extreme.  
Speaker 0     00:07:33    So then the next thing I want to introduce him. So one of the other reasons that I have a slightly higher homeless initial right on William street and hitting risk-free the wall with instructions because our barren walls are the font on Delton avenue side and in the, and it's not any art here. So, so my expanding here, it's much easier to just have ID that bedroom clear, partly to avoid right columns in the body pound bed, cutting narrow wall here. That's supporting the heck the same hand off the fracture. So if you had it here, right, you could just expand this right here. And that's why that's another reason why we haven't studied English. So they may have as a days now. So we have had bedrooms here. We, Julie,  look at it. I'm 20 back, right? When I saw the one, four feet in the bedroom, four feet wide in bedrooms, and then these in that area.  
Speaker 0     00:08:47    And instead of being bedroom also in much needed space, well, you know, the kids, the other thing that we're doing, but what's forgotten the more back to the side for him. We have an existing shed at the VAR onsite. Part of it, it's hard it's addition. We are relocating it to the main building it's going to be, and you will be able to see it here. It's this orange thing. So we heard a painting and started him with that. From that, you know, the product, they found me up on the first floor and he's going to be out on the first floor and bedroom. And after him and he can store in the laundry or is very similar to what we used in half still have we still have a dining room where they used to be in the vehicle and he didn't live.  
Speaker 0     00:10:08    So all we did is that the deck that we have, I mean, we knew the proposed here, both of the setback, hands on it. And, and I told him before I said, look back now, we're being like an open day on the bedrooms. So the other thing I bring up too, is that no, because this building does not have any basement where you can me any additional stuff or a storage space, having storage space down there, somebody, everything is either on the second floor or now reading, reading space and tried to keep it to the minimum and then action. So, and that's, that's really all I have to say. Thank you. Yeah. Does the applicant have anything for,  
Speaker 1     00:11:26    To what your architect is justified? So, yes, if I may, the only thing that I want to say as a mom and as a stay at home, mom, you know, with these four children, I needed the space, the age difference of the children. Now I plan to keep the girls because they're older, downstairs, I'm going to have a college student next, you know, next year with a different schedule than my younger children. No, I honestly, I really think that this is the accommodations that we would need just to this, to, to let them, you know, in a, in a, in a comfortable Samsung have them be able to stay at home. I'm because of the fact that we are, my husband is working from home. Inevitably. We don't know when he's going to go back. So everybody's home. Everybody needs their own space. At this point, I have one in the dining room and one in my bedroom because they're all remote learning. So this is just my, my testimony as mom that I need this space, you know, for, for the children. And I think this is like the, you know, the space that we would be able to eat them the option to sell and buy in an area that we, you know, we can afford more home if they absolutely refuse because they've been in Piscataway for the past 10 years and they do not want to leave the district.  
Speaker 0     00:12:48    Thank you, Mr. Chairman, you may want to go to Mr. Henderson to see what he has, what his comments are. Can you comment on the, the moves that they've made since the last time we sold this application? Yes. Again, we, we did ask the applicant to sort of go back to the drawing board and the issue here is that you're not only have a, at that time, it was a substantial front yard setback bearing and on William street, but he also had a coverage variance as well. So again, I mean, these type of variances require that you show a hardship, you know, looking at the floor plan. And again, you know, in listening to the applicant, I'm not stating that they don't need more space, but you know, there's a game room. There's quite a large living room on the first floor area,  
Speaker 1     00:13:40    Common room is he just called it a game room, but it's actually my two sons bedroom. That's not really, that's a bedroom, but he, because he wants to put, he's not allowed to keep his games in his bedroom, but that's an actual bedroom that's in bedroom, but we're just opening it up,  
Speaker 0     00:14:01    Bought the equipment again, looking at some of the sizes of these rooms. And I know, listen, we all, we all, you know, if we could, we could, you know, add on and do a walk, but the problem is you're sort of restricted by the coverage, you know, ordinance that allows you only to have 20%. The problem here is, is that you improve the front yard setback on William street, but you're actually increased the coverage variance, which was already an issue. And in combination with, to, you know, when he came to me and said, listen, we're doing an addiction. And the addition is going to conform with coverage, but we're going to be slightly over on the front yard setback. Think the board then could maybe say, you know, it's a corner property, perhaps there's a hardship, but I just, I haven't seen the testimony. You know, the, the plan proofs here that, that show that, you know, there's a planning hardship here, a hardship as required on the planning walk to allow and see bearings to be, to be granted in this particular case.  
Speaker 0     00:15:11    Again, if it was, you just said that we need the coverage, it's just, you know, because we were on a corner, we can't, you know, logistically meet the two front yard setbacks. That be one thing. But you know, you just, you know, you pushed back the setback, which was an improvement, and then you actually increase the coverage, which is as an issue. So now you still have two substantial variances. And if anything, you made the coverage variance worse. So, you know, again, that's my biggest issue that I have with the application is that again, you need to show a hardship and, and, and believe me, I, I, I, I feel free to need in this space with, with your children and, you know, working at home in our days and scoring from home, but that in itself, you know, wanting, you know, certain size rooms for, for all your rooms, I think there has got to be maybe a compromise, unfortunately, on some of the sizing or some of the layout up to try to get the coverage to a conforming.  
Speaker 0     00:16:18    I'm sorry. I'm sorry, sir. I just wanted a very simple thing. Here is we left. We left the last meeting with four exact points. We all agree on it. First lawn was the fence and we did agree. We get a change of Tri-Care away and the meetings, the second one was when we leave the offset 30 from, from William. And we did adjust to the map. And even with William B poor kids and very hard to work, you still ha did come to that. The third piece was the percentage of coverage. I don't think we discussed the percentage of coverage that much, unfortunately, but I think when we discussed that the house would be shrunk to increase the setback. We thought that there would be some reconfiguration and reduction not increasing the size of the home to the place Mr. Harris. He's the one who did recommend to us is whatever offsets we going to take from William, we can go to the back and that's exactly what we have done exactly again.  
Speaker 0     00:17:33    But again, I said he had the potential to move. Maybe some of the addition that was going to be placed in the front yard setback, the Williams street towards the rear of the property. But I didn't say you could just move it over. And then on top of that, increase the coverage. Again, the issue is still that you're, you're over once you add on coverage, as well as the front yard setback. So, you know, that's a problem. You, you have to show this board that you have a hardship,  speak at a time when we're being recorded. There, there is a record being made. I believe Mr. Den belly would like to speak, can I ask you if you are a professional planner?  
Speaker 0     00:18:22    No, I am not a professional planner, so I have a registered architect, so I want to refer to family. So I think he actually, Henry, he was actually making it all case. We do have a partner law. We're not on the front of  right here. Barry is, well, you know, we live in stream that would not be watching here. So the only thing is make is pointless. The tiny narrow man hiding on here, and it's not a cutting pool, you know, this ability and then talking to the rest of the space. So I think, and also the last thing I want to say that ran last time we had 23.06% time. We , I kind of wonder if that's where the line is drawn. Cause you know, as I recall, my special though, was that as long as we comply with the same night here, I do understand that. I mean, if we look at everything's in the bath, so that's, that's really what I had. It's too. That's really what I read in students. So I think Henry is done on making our case, not even looking for it in front of you. I sat back here in the .  
Speaker 0     00:19:58    So that's, that's all, I really want him to say thank you. But as the board's attorney, the most significant variants you were looking for here is lot coverage based upon the revised plan. A lot coverage, not only did not go down, it went up and, and that's, that's what Mr. Henderson has expressed is you, you have not demonstrated a hardship to justify variance relief on that point. Do Jim, do we have the Mona miss tonight? We afforded the applicant an opportunity to revise the revision. No, it's up to you. If, if the applicant just an action has to be taken on this by December 1st, if the applicant consents to an extension of time, the matter could be adjourned until December, but if the applicant want to consent to that, you have to vote tonight. Okay. I'm going to give you my personal opinion. I, I, I, I don't think that we should proceed tonight.  
Speaker 0     00:21:11    Cause I don't think you'll meet with a favorable vote. I would suggest that we reschedule this. Have your architect get in touch with Henry and revise the revision to the point where both parties can come up with an amicable agreement because fine, honestly, based on my 14 years of the zoning board, we take the recommendations of our planner and our engineers as gospel. And I just don't think you'll be meeting with a favorable vote. If you perceive this evil, I told them, advise party, just looking at it simply as we had the last meeting and we got the clear agreement of what the adjustment needs to be. And now we did meet all the adjustment. That percentage did go up 0.4. That's what, just because of the drawer fucking sheet, I'm surprised that, you know, you guys telling me you're not going to be approved if we proceed tonight and 4.4, and this is not due to more than the crooked streets, we just trying to keep it, you know, squared.  
Speaker 0     00:22:17    But if this is the same point, I have no problem. I have the architects. He's listening to you guys. And I want to make this habit and make my neighbors happy. Good. Only challenge I have right now is, and we have a clear understanding what will be approved. So I don't go back and back and back. This is written. You can, you can ask that unfortunately until the board sees what the revised plan is. They can't decide whether or not they're going to vote in favor of it. Clearly tonight, the board has an issue with the lot coverage and based upon what I'm hearing as the board attorney and I don't vote on your application, the board had concerns about the original proposed lot coverage, and now it's higher. So you're going to need to come in lower than the original proposed lot coverage.  
Speaker 0     00:23:09    How much acceptable those are we going back? And  any bedrooms of discussion you can have with Mr. Henry Steen at a date moving forward. I don't, you know, I'm not gonna throw any numbers. We're not happy about the lack of coverage. You can pick up the phone and call. You can pick up the phone and call and Mr. Interesting and ironed it out, you know, fairly weak, but we've got six, seven other applications here tonight. And I can't be labored the same point. I'm my opinion that I gave through Abraham was that we should not proceed this evening because I don't think it's going to be a favorable decision. So if, if that's something you're willing to do, the township will work with you. Moving forward. I was even told by the township's attorney, Mr. Clark, and that if you wanted to contact him as well, he might be, he might have some interpretations of the legal issues that he might be able to help you with.  
Speaker 1     00:24:19    That's good. Only the only reason because we got the letter on Monday, you know what I mean? Like if we had it last week, we could have had time to at least work on some kind of revision, but we had no idea of anything we followed. You know what? We didn't see that was going now what on a Monday and today is Thursday and obviously in our other.  
Speaker 0     00:24:42    Sure. And I'm sorry, I'm sorry for that. The way that we're dealing with this whole situation in the world right now, the mail doesn't come as often as it should. I have no idea. I'm not going to make excuses. All I can tell you is we want to work with you. We do want you to get the house you want right now, the plans you are putting before us are not accepted. You know, let's just work together and, and we'll get you approved and you'll get your kids out of your basement or whatever, whatever room they're there. But that's my opinion. If you say, yes, we'll move forward. And again, Henry's at your leisure. They're there to pick his brain as to what we need to have done to get this thing approved.  
Speaker 0     00:25:33    Yeah, I think that's fine. Okay. Well, we're gonna, I'm gonna reach out to Henry so we can patch it up, but I could hear the board contacted. Well, you can think about issues. That would be, I don't know how, how would I get him? I get it from January. I could give you that information, but okay. Okay. So Jen, what do we do? We just sent him. So the ad they'll say, do you want to continue this matter to December 10th? Everybody agree on. Okay. So this matter is 1 61 Johnson avenue is going to be carried to December 10th with no further notice by the applicant. And if whatever issues are not worked out by then, if you let us know, you don't have to appear that night. We can announce a new date at that time so that you don't have to re notice. Thank you. There's no further notice required by the applicant. This matter is carried to December 10th, 2020.  
Speaker 0     00:26:41    Thank you for your great night. Thank you guys. Let's move on to number six, 20 UVB 65 B I lead Severen. Is Ms. Scriven present? Is it scrubbing Mr. Sherbert? Yes. Yes. I. How many people in here tonight? Mr. Shriven you're muted. Okay. Yep. There you go. My wife, Cheryl, are you both going to be testifying tonight? Why don't I swear both of you in just in case. Okay. Could you reach, raise your right hand? Do you swear the testimony you're about to give shall be the truth so help you God. Yes. One at a time. Give me your name and address. You put your hands down.   
Speaker 0     00:27:43    east Lincoln avenue, sir. Scrubbing 9 5 2 east Lincoln avenue. Thank you. Could one of you explained to the board what you'd like to do here. We need a, we need a Marin for an offense, that rehab, because there was a 38 easement on the property. And have you seen Mr. Henderson Dean's report that says that if access to the easement is ever needed, it's your responsibility to remove and replace the fence? Yes. And do you agree to that? Yes. Mr. Chairman? I don't think there are any other issues here leaving. I agree at this point, I'd like to ask anybody on the board, have any other questions?  
Speaker 0     00:28:28    I'm to open it to the public. Anyone in the public portion? Epic questions about this application, Ms. Buckley, no one chairman. Okay. Closing the portion of the public portion. Now I'm going to make a motion to have this application approved. I will second the motion Warren. Okay. Approved by Sean Cahill. Second by Warren gentlemen, can they get a roll call? Mr. Rancho? Does he meet him? Yes. Mr. Weissman? Yes. Mr. Zimmerman? Yes. Mr. Patel? Yes. And chairman K? Yes. Scrivens. Your application has been approved. We'll memorialize this in a written document at our next meeting on December 10th. We'll mail you a copy. You don't need to be present. Okay.  
Speaker 0     00:29:26    Let's move on to number seven 20 at DB dash 66 68. And it's N Jana Johnson Johnson's present. Yes. Yes we are. Could I swear both of you in, could you each raise your right hand? Do you swear that the testimony you're about to give shall be the truth so help you God? Yes. One at a time you can put your hands down one at a time. Could you give me your name and address please? And it's Johnson, 51 grand Mitzi drive straightaway and Shauna Johnson, 51 grandma's secret. And could one of you explain to the board what you'd like to do here? We liked to change out the fingerling fence and put in and they a six foot fence in the backyard and assisting 10 foot over the 10 freezer. And have you seen Mr. Henderson Dean's report? Yes. And you understand that in fact, this to that easement is ever necessary, it would be your responsibility to remove and replace that fence. Yes. And you agree to that, right? Yes. Mr. Chairman, I'm not aware of any other issues on this matter. Okay? Thank you, sir. Anyone else on the board have any questions for this application? Hearing? None. I'd like to open it to the public. Anybody in the public portion have any questions for this application? This Buckley?  
Speaker 2     00:30:49    No  
Speaker 0     00:30:49    Chairman. Okay. Public portions closed. Do I have a motion?  were all made by Mr. Weiser. Boy Reggio. Yes. A clerk. Please call the roll. Yes, sir.  
Speaker 2     00:31:05    Jeff. Mr. Weissman, Mr. Zimmerman, Mr. Patel and chairman Cato.  
Speaker 0     00:31:12    Yes. Mr. Mrs. Johnson, your applications approved or memorialized document that our next meeting, you don't need to be present for that. We'll mail a copy to you, but you'll need that permit. All right. Thank you. Good luck. Have a great night. Even the big Bennett group. I believe Lynn scholar is off Mr. Kennedy. Next next application. Futon lien is off and Lynn Scala is off as well. So the next, absolutely number 10 20 dash ZB dash 48 V two Miller Realty. Mr. Maan jelly present. I am counsel I'm here. I'm sorry. I have, my school was off. Let me fix that. I apologize. I could do anything, everybody. Sorry, you're having a good evening. Thank you everybody. You were called. You were with the board last month and we had presented our factual predicates for our certificate of non-conforming use or alternative. They use variance. You heard from Don . Our construction expert of the board had requested an opportunity to view the property and I'm hopeful. Some of the board members had that opportunity. We'd like to hear from Don art tonight. And if we could have him, we continue our application. The question I would have, I'm only hearing five votes tonight. Is that, is that right? Or are there more for this application era, early members present this evening? And we have a couple of vacancies and we have one board member who is absent.  
Speaker 0     00:32:54    So obviously my concern on a use variances with only five votes. That's, I'm a lawyer because I'm not a gambler. And my concern is so I know everyone on this board is a volunteer and I'm always reluctant to proceed and impose on the board, the obligation to listen to tapes in addition to their regular meeting. So I'm wondering if the board and council would give us some guidance, whether it makes sense, Mr. Magellan, I believe you can prove the with comfort and company, Mr. Magellan. I think what you should do is put your, your planning witness on. Then we, you and I discussed by telephone several possible conditions of approval. Then perhaps you can ask for a straw poll of the board. And if it looks favorable to you, you can proceed. If it does not, you could ask for an adjournment to, we have seven members.  
Speaker 0     00:33:51    That that would be fine. And I appreciate that very much. Thank you. I'd like to call our planner now and have him sworn and qualified. Don, are you with us and Dan, Dan, I'm sorry on the screen, Dan, if you would. And Jim, if you would swear him and then qualify during the rules right hand, you swear the testimony about the gives you the truth. So help you God, I do your name and address please. Daniel Dora, D O R a N 9 3 9 Ridge road, Monmouth junction 0 8 8 5 2. And Dan, if you could share with the board, the benefit of your education licensing, please, I am a licensed professional planner engineering and Lance, the bay area, the state of New Jersey. I've been a member of the firm of William Jordan and sons for over 35 years. It's been a while since I've testified in front of the skyways board, but I have testified well even Mr.  
Speaker 0     00:34:53    Darren has appeared as a planner before the zoning board in the past, if I did, except as qualification this week. Thank you Mr. Chair, Dan, if you know where we're asking the board for a certificate of non-conforming use, and then the alternative use variants, Dan, if you could provide the board and the public with the benefit of the testimony of positive and negative criteria and the enhanced criteria required of a use variance, the special reasons I think we're ready. Okay. That the site is located in the Southeast corner of Miller street and Lesley avenue. Here, we have an existing building that has four apartments is bullying has been occupied as a four unit apartment building for approaching a hundred years. The site is located in the R 0.75 zone in the town and permitting uses in that zone are single-family dwellings and recreational parks, township, parks, and buildings associated with those parks. As a requirement, the applicant in order to be able to keep the existing four apartments in this mine, they are required to come in front of the board and seek a D one variance or a use variance. And in order to do that, the applicant needs to demonstrate that there are purposes of zoning that are promoted as a result of the granting of this variance and that the mint negative impact is not greater than the positives that we are going to be speaking about.  
Speaker 0     00:36:40    With regards to the purposes of zoning, there are a number of them, even though the only applicant is required to show one purpose. I feel that there are three of them. The applicant is proposing to improve the site. Currently there is an existing stone driveway in this stone area on Miller street that serviced the structure and the applicant is proposing to improve this by paving it and delineating those parking spots. The applicant is also proposing to eliminate this area with lighting so that the front of the building and the parking area will be better illuminated. And during the evening hours and purpose, a and I are both promoted as a result of these improvements being made to the site. The purpose AEs speaks about the safety and the general welfare of his site, and that is promoted by those improvements and purpose. I speaks about the visual impact being promoted at the site of is as a result of these improvements being made purpose J which speaks about the use of existing infrastructure and the concentration of existing buildings.  
Speaker 0     00:38:01    And particularly a building that we are speaking about, a building that has been in town for, as I said, approaching those hundred years, it's also a positive and it helps promote the purpose of this zoning and this application when speaking of a negative criteria, I don't see any significant negative impact. When we looked at Miller street, the millage street is in unimproved right away. That's located in the Northeast section of town. It, it runs approximately 450 feet to the west of the site. And then it runs in an easterly direction through wall street and over to Rushmore. And all of that is unimproved except for the portion that is right in front of this existing structure. And I feel that that condition benefits the site in the sense that it helps buffer the site from the properties to the north of the property and in particularly to the properties to the east and the south of the property. There's certainly a great deal of screening as a result of that. It's also important to point out that the site can support what the applicant is proposing a four bedroom, sorry, a four unit apartment, though, with this building, being an existence for such an extended period of time. It's obvious to say that the site can support this particular use.  
Speaker 0     00:39:39    And based on that based the fact that the purpose of the zoning have been promoted, there's three of them. And the fact that there is not a significant degree of negative outcome as a result of the granting and the variance, I would ask the board to consider granting the use variance as a four unit apartment building and being able to maintain misuse that has been in existence for an extended period of time. Thank you, Dan we're prepared. We don't have any, all of our witnesses are present tonight, Mr. Chairman and the, for the boards professionals to answer any questions. And of course, any questions our neighbors may have, but we don't have additional witnesses to present.  
Speaker 0     00:40:31    Mr. Chairman, if the board doesn't have any questions, we, we do have certain concerns that I relayed to Mr. Mandela yesterday and today. Perhaps we could discuss those at this time, Mr. Chairman, I believe you're muted there. Okay. Yeah. Please proceed with those discussions, Mr. Magella, you and I discussed several conditions. We discussed a permanent easement along Leslie for a sidewalk. That's correct. And that width is to be determined once the township figures out where that sidewalk is going to be located. Yes, that's correct. Paved the Miller. Did sh along your property to a width of 15 feet to a driveway specification, that's correct. Yes. Okay. Paved the parking area has, as you did, you mentioned earlier. Yes, that's correct.  
Speaker 0     00:41:37    And if that's an issue, we will have county Piscataway council adopt an ordinance because we understand that because of the distances involved equals may hang over into the right of white that's correct. Yes. And as alluded to, by Mr. Dorin, you're going to put some lighting on the building so that the, you know, for safety purposes, the cars that parked there can see where they're going. That's correct. Yep. And similarly, it'll Stripe the walkway to the entrance. Yes. That's, that's fine. And are all of those conditions acceptable to the applicant? They are. They're absolutely. They're consistent with the Mr. Chadwick's report that it recommended some gentlemen flight maintenance and we agree those requests are reasonable. Mr. Chairman, those are all the issues I have. And maybe time to go out to the public. If the board doesn't have the right, as anyone on the board have any questions for this applicant hearing none. No, but up to the public and the, one of the public portion of any questions about this application, Ms. Buckley,  
Speaker 2     00:42:43    I'm looking, there's a lot of people  
Speaker 0     00:42:45    And that's questions or comments, but  
Speaker 2     00:42:48    Yes, I do not see anyone chairman,  
Speaker 0     00:42:51    Okay. Public portion is closed. I would make a motion to, before you do that, we did the applicant, a straw poll since we only have five minutes. So I would ask the members if anyone has a problem with this application. And I think at this point, we're leaning toward a use variance with conditions of approval. If anyone has a problem with that, could they indicate that now? Because the applicant would be within their rights to request an adjournment until we have seven members, if no members have any concerns that would cause them to vote. Now, Mr.  would you like to proceed this evening? Or would you like to adjourn the application and based on, on the, on the pole counsel, when we are prepared to submit to the board for a vote and the board should entertain a motion of approval, Mr. Kenny Lee, I'd like it to make the motion to approve the application. It's not good to move approval made by myself. And should I get it by Cal parish clerk, please call the room.  
Speaker 2     00:44:05    Mr. Reggio. Yes. Mr. Weissman, Mr. Zimmerman, Mr. Patel and chairman Kao.  
Speaker 0     00:44:18    Yes. Mr. Mandela, your application has been approved. We will memorialize it at our next meeting or December 10th and send you a copy. Thank you very much, everybody. Appreciate your time very much. Thank you everybody. Okay. We're going to move down to, I remember 1120 decks ZB dash 40 war on slash 42 M departments. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, can you hear me? Okay. And this is Doug Wilson, John Greg, this weekend. All right. Thank you. You need to be here. Thank you very much for having us. We really appreciate the efforts that your board and others are doing during this very, very trying time of rising COVID cases. And we certainly appreciate you giving your time for us to have this application pretty much at the outset, Mr. Chairman, if I could ask you to inquire even the board secretary or Mr. Camilli, just to confirm that our notices were okay, that the board has jurisdiction nailing us to proceed this evening, we received your notices.  
Speaker 0     00:45:30    I reviewed them. They are adequate, and the board has jurisdiction to proceed. Thank you, Mr. Keenan, I appreciate that very much. For those of you that you don't know me, members of the board. I am Doug Wilson. I am the attorney for M and M partners, Washington, which is the applicant that's before you this evening, we're dealing with a property which some of you may recall. This does have sort of a storied history with this board to 24 and a half anchor piece it's on Washington avenue and originally was in the RNR one zone. But you may recall for those of you who were on the board back in 2016, that there was an application made earlier by the symphony or a, an affiliate at the, for a light plan development that was rejected in the early part of 2017, that resulted in some litigation.  
Speaker 0     00:46:25    But that litigation is ultimately settled after the board conducted a whispering woods hearing sometime around the middle of 2018 with a resolution adopted by the board after, by Mr. Conneely and adopted by the board on, in June of 2018, that effectively made the property appropriate for 242 halting family. And somewhere between 80 and a hundred thousand square feet of retail on that property, ultimately shore capacity became an issue having to go all the way out to a Mettler's lane because of the size of the flow, et cetera, as a result of that, it became determined by Chet that the property was not reasonably adaptable and the purposes for which the settlement had occurred on, they began to examine and research. Other potential uses that they felt would fit into the area appropriately, not cause any detriment to the public at large is on planet and Johnny wardens of town.  
Speaker 0     00:47:36    So the application this evening is for two warehouse buildings. One is about 185,000 square feet. One is I think, 175,000 square feet. And they do require a use variance, whether you use the underlying zoning or the use variance that was previously obtained, or they are different. And as a result of their difference, other will be concomitant applications too. That would be inconsistent with either the zoning standards or applicable to the settlement or to the underlying zoning, such as coverage and pure pervious coverage, heightened parking signs, et cetera, because those standards would be applicable to something other than a warehouse where a house is not contemplated originally initially on this property. So we would argue, and I suspect in pub that Mr. Community would agree and advise the board that those applications for those deviations would be subsumed within the application for the D variants. And they would be assessed by the board and in conjunction with the board's view of the negative criteria, which would be addressed by our planner.  
Speaker 0     00:48:50    And I'm sure by some comments, perhaps from Mr. Chadwick as well. So what we have tonight are several witnesses, Mr. John Keenan, who is the director of real estate for the MNA method. He will testify first. He'll go through the area of the photos, give the board an idea to orient the board as to where we are, how far we are from neighboring uses online laboring roads, any residential is in the area. I believe it has some pictures that they'll share with the board that will demonstrate starkly, just how isolated and far away from the various uses this property will be. If in fact, the board games to approve of this application, following them, it would be Mr or Greg Herman, who will briefly address the engineering issues. The overall site plan, just orient yourself for those technical issues that Mr. Clark kina, we'll go through the review letters of Mr.  
Speaker 0     00:49:50    Curley and Mr. Hairspray to make sure that the board is satisfied, that we are compliant with or will comply with all the things that they've identified that they were concerned about and wanted to make sure were addressed. Then Mr.  testified to show you what the buildings was intended to look like. I'm not stuck on with testify about the traffic continue, anticipated to be generated. And he will also of course, respond to the CME letter. There was traffic issues, and then we'll clean up with our stylish ever present witness. If you the phone who will give us a planning testimony and address the positive and negative points period, hopefully come into the board and we satisfy those Eileen us to your favorite book. Incineration, please turns. So having said that you must hear our chairman, Mr. Kale, we've got so Kaylee, perhaps you to swear them all in at once, where would you prefer to do them?  
Speaker 0     00:50:48    One at a time as they testify, but we'll do them one at a time, Jen. Yes. All right, Mr. Tacchini, you're up. You're off. Would you raise your right hand? You swear the testimony you're about to give shall be the truth, so help you God, I do name and address. My name is John tightly-knit T a I K I N a. My business address is 1260 Skelton road to Skyway New Jersey, 0 8 8 5 4. I am the director of real estate development for having a Realty partners, the contract purchaser of the property we've been under contract for some time. I believe I've appeared before this board previously on the previous use variance application for the application that was previously denied by the boys that we hadn't had the settlement agreement for the 242 units and the, between 80 a hundred thousand square feet of a retail space. So I have appeared before the board and forest planter tonight, I'm going to say applicants. I brought a better planner this time, and we're very, very excited to be here. As you know, this is all down and so on. We always like to appear before the Fort here in Piscataway. I am going to try and share my screen here if I can.  
Speaker 0     00:52:11    Great. So in front of you, you have an aerial photograph. I want to make it a little smaller. Mr. Tokina was this submitted as part of the originals part of set of application? No, this was not, this was an exhibit that was made in response to some questions that were brought up and they need the mark. This is 81 with today's date, and you're going to need to provide a hard copy of this to the zoning board. We will do that.  
Speaker 0     00:52:49    Just making a note of a Jim, thank you. This is a one, this is the, an aerial divot of the south Washington avenue warehouses. This is 1690 south Washington avenue. It is Fox 57 0 1 LA two. The subject property is in the center of the exhibit being outlined last week by my cursor south Washington avenue runs roughly north south along the along the Eastern side of the property to 87 and Centennial avenue are above us. And that was lane. And the turn is, is below us, the county open space, this across the street. And then we have the Bishop Knox drive immediately to the Northwest of the property with the two warehouses that were built as RME neighbors today, Northwest I'd like to point out to the board for the, for their information. We do have immediate neighbors to our, our Southwest, which are on the end of cowl lane.  
Speaker 0     00:54:11    And the Randolph's old school. You can see here. The distances from the school are approximately 660 feet from, from the school to, to the warehouse building itself. The, the property line is closer. I believe it says it's probably about 400 and about 40 feet yourself, right? Where, where we crossed the property line, that distance to the building itself is over 600, 600 feet. And then from the nearest residential property point, literally leaves. The point on the corner is, is 670 feet to reach the, the side of the building. So it is a substantial distance. There's an open field there that that is shown. And Mr. Herman will review these photos very briefly when, when his testimony starts so that he can describe exactly where they are and much there. What we're looking to do here is add this whole set is a 316,000 square feet, or sell a warehouse space.  
Speaker 0     00:55:28    You can see where, and Ms  will testify to the surroundings, but you can see what kind of in between that. We want to be like the warehouses to the north west or, you know, being residents or, you know, we were selling, we were kind of somewhere in between self given retail that totally, and we're housing is going to think that the best thing is to join the warehouse world and join our warehouse thing for seeker. And that's why we think this is inappropriate views. So I just wanted to introduce myself first of all, and then introduced the plan to a degree. I believe we'll bring Mr. Herman up now and he will take you through in a little bit more detail briefly, just kind of how the site laid out its parking, et cetera. And then I'll come back and talk, talk about some of the letters and then we'll show you what the buildings look like and, and take you through the rest of our festival.  
Speaker 0     00:56:30    Mr. Kina crank, are you a on-screen? I am here. Good evening, everyone. Hold on.  screen-sharing still up. I unshared buying Craig era. Okay. All right. Could you raise your right hand? Swear the testimony you're about to give shall be the truth, so help you God, I do your name and address please. My name is Craig Harmon. I'm with I'm a project manager with PSS engineering business address is we just moved the fact that's three mountain view road in Warren, New Jersey. Oh 7 0 5 9. Thank you. So good. No, no. Mr. Chairman, if you give a board the benefit of your keys so that they can qualify you as an expert it's again, again, I'm a project manager with a P S and S engineering. I'm a licensed professional engineer in civil engineering, been appeased since 2004. And I graduated from Rutgers college of engineering with a bachelor of science and civil engineering.  
Speaker 0     00:57:53    I had been accepted by an expert witness in a number of boards throughout the state, including both for private developers and also on the municipal side for developers, including . I believe that the Mr. Herman is qualified to act as a witness in the engineering field. Thank you. Thank you very much. I'm Craig, go ahead. And then I said, explain to the board what we're doing and what your role is in the foster. Okay. So my firm prepared the civil engineering site plan for the project. I supervised the proper preparation of the plan set under the  Lisa Deidre, Alamo. Who's the vice-president. And I like to start off with a few exhibits. I have an exhibit exhibit, an existing conditions, Ariel, a couple of the site plan and a couple of the landscape plans. The picture, the news up before us now was that submitted as part of the original application set. No is not okay. That's going to be, have to be marked as a two. Okay. And you're going to have to provide a hard copy of that to the zoning board. We'll do. What would you call that Greg existing conditions area.  
Speaker 0     00:59:15    All right. Did you ever, I will supply that Mr. Community. Thank you. So you to work with it, shouldn't Tykene is testimony. We have these things condition site plan here it's developed with an existing single family dwelling that will be demolished as part of the project and the surrounding land uses. There's all. Let me back up. The address for the se is once is 1690 south Washington avenue, and the Skyway is also known as block 57 0 1 LA two. And it's, it consists of about 24 and a half acres of land. The surrounding land uses are to the north. We have the existing warehouse development to the west, which is to the left of your screen. That is an existing open area and Randolph Hills school. And the residential development Mr. Takina described is over to the west to the south. We have open space and then to the east is Randolph, I'm sorry, from south Washington avenue.  
Speaker 0     01:00:33    And we're on the west side of south Washington avenue. Centennial avenue is to the north and Miller's lane is to the south. And then on the opposite side of south Washington avenue, we have some open space and also single family development, excuse me, located on the site. And we have a number of easements. We have a 100 foot wide utility grant, basically through the middle of the site, along the westerly property line. And we have a 50 foot Texas Eastern right-away and then directly adjacent to that. We have a 25 foot wide temporary construction easement. And then along Randall Ville road, we have a permanent roadway easement, and also a temporary construction needs the lot other than the single family dwelling, which takes up a very small portion of the site. It is basically open space wooded, mostly with high grass areas within the 100 foot wide easement.  
Speaker 0     01:01:41    And then in the center of the site, there are also wetlands located on a site based on an approved LOI. There is a isolated wetlands along the northerly property line. You can see by my cursor, there is a isolated wetland two on the west side of the property, along the west, the properly, which is isolated wetland. And then we have a wetlands along the suddenly property line, which has a 50 foot transitionary associated with it. As far as the existing grades on a site are concerned. The high point is essentially the middle of the site between halfway between the existing house and the existing one of your foot utility grant. And then the site basically slopes down slope in both directions to the north end to the south. And also there's a small portion that slopes to the west. So based on that, the stone water doesn't flow with those general direction to the north and south and small portion to the west and the existing condition.  
Speaker 0     01:02:52    The next rendering I like to show is a rendering of the overall site plan, which unfortunately it's a larger file. So it can take a little while to open. I can go right to a more detailed rendering of the site plan. Was this originally submitted or does this need to be marked the remaining five renderings that I'm going to show tonight and be over on the overall then to site plan, to landscape plan a colorized versions of the plans that were in a plan set. Okay. So if they're colorized they're different than any will need to be marked and submitted. Okay. One enabled all of them now. Well, we'll go one at a time. Okay. So this is going to be eight, three that's present on the screen now. And what would you call that? This would be a overall site plan that Jim, this is just a conversion of the overall site plan shows the two overall warehouse buildings located on a site.  
Speaker 0     01:04:08    Building B is to the east side of the site and building a is to the west side of the site. We have parking in the front of the buildings, which is to the west of the building and to the east of building B. We have a loading dock and truck parking in the center of the site, and then to steadily parking areas that supplement the exist, the proposed parking on the site. The next two findings that I'll discuss tonight are colorized versions of the site plan that was submitted. I guess that would be four. And could you describe a four, a four is a Colorado version of, she she'd see that. Oh, four of the site plan set.  
Speaker 0     01:05:04    C dash oh four. Yes. Okay. You know, you don't have to go into so much detail unless you can do something in particular that you need to address laterals from Mr. Or otherwise. Understood. Okay. So we have the building a, which is the Western most building, which is approximately 185,000 square feet of space, including 3000 square feet of office and 181 or 182,000 square feet of warehouse space. We have a circulation plan consisting of 25 foot wide driveways that surround the building with parking in front. And if pedestrian sidewalk along the front of the building, and then for building B again, we have a minimum 25 foot wide driveway and surrounds the building with a parking area in front, the front exhibit. This is exhibit five, I'm sorry, which is C oh five on the site plan set colorized version, thank you with a parking in the front of the building and then a six foot wide concrete sidewalk that provide access to the building.  
Speaker 0     01:06:32    This also has to access driveways to south Washington avenue, which consists of the Northern most driver, which is the right end right out only. And then the south driveway has all movements right in, right out and left it and left out. The proposed development also has, as we talked about before the loading in the back of the buildings, the loading docks and trail loading behind building a, and also as some exhibit eight for behind building a also we have the two parking lots, one to the south of building a and then one to the south of building B as required by the ordinance. The ordinance required seven and 38 parking stalls for this project. And 363 parking stalls are proposed.  
Speaker 0     01:07:33    In addition to that, the, the loading there are required to be 23 loading spaces. It's the ordinance requirements and we're providing 55 loading spaces. When you share how, when you say for the ordinance, you mean not the underlying ordinance for this zone, you mean elsewhere in a warehouse zone, you the town. Yes. The generalized zoning here is either variance for 242 units plus retail where the underlying, our R one zone. And those are the things that you're doing that in order to say how we were consistent with what it would be required if it were in to where I was on correct gifts. Okay. So move along then you have any more other exhibits.  
Speaker 0     01:08:19    Yeah. So I just want to talk about the grading a little bit based on it, just look at the overall site based on the fact that this warehouse, I'm sorry, this is the previous overall site plan exhibit that I showed before they won a based on the warehouse used for providing a, a flat plate sort of, and to create that flat plate, we have a number of retaining walls of surround the site. We have a 560 foot long retaining wall on the north side, which is approximately six feet high. And we have a tiny wall along around the southwesterly parking area and two retaining walls along the southerly driveway. We have a high point in the center of the site that is higher than the rest of the site, because it's where the existing tower is. And we needed to keep that high. And the rest of the site is approximately at about elevation of 100 with a low area directly behind building a in the drive aisle between the trailer parking and the loading area.  
Speaker 0     01:09:36    And that is where the water detention system is located at this low point. And then the rest of the site parking area basically drains to that low point with localized high points in the driveways to the north and south of building B for so water management, we have three underground detention systems. This project is a major development as defined by the ordinance. And we need to address water quality, water, quantity, and recharge requirements. The water quantity is addressed by three detention systems. There's detention system located underneath the two parking areas to the south that control the water off of the two roof areas because there's roof runoff, no water quality is for treatments required. So it Al falls to the south of the, of the site. And then the underground detention system located behind building a collects and controls of water off of the parking and driveway areas. Then it conveys that through a water quality treatment structure and then falls to the south of the property. Right.  
Speaker 0     01:10:55    We were going to have John we'll go back over the letters from your engineer reviews at that this a good time. We got Ms. Brown. I just have a couple more times to talk through, if you want to do that before, talk to those items there, why don't you text me where those are and let us we'll save time. I'm going to have John come step back in and address the issues that are potentially of concern to a township. John, you are under oath. Are you back on, on union? I am. Thank you for the reminder. Okay. We did get several letters, two engineering type letters from Mr  and Mr. Curly. I do have those available and can you go through them and ensure the board and townships professionals that we are in compliance with what we wanted with what they want. I, I can, and it will be, will be grease in terms of Mr.  
Speaker 0     01:12:08    Carly's letter dated Wednesday, November 11th, other than the statements, which are really don't require any, any response. We will comply with the balance of his engineering comments and requests. They are predominantly just clarification, some engineering details, and we had no problems complying with Mr. Kelly's comments and requests. Likewise, on the Skyway board of adjustment staff letter dated November 12th, 2020 from Mr. Hinter scene, we will comply with items 1, 2, 4, 5, 7 through 10, 15 through 21, 23 through 25 33 and 34, because they are the easy will comply. The other items require just a very, very brief comment. Item three is just the statement that, that the storm water management before will need to be approved by the engineer. We concur item six and item eight, relate to roadway items on south Washington avenue, which is under the jurisdiction of the county. And we agree that we will follow the county's recommendation in that, in that instance on item eight, we agree that the application needs to be reviewed by the fire commissioner. I mean, I'm sure we will follow his recommendations. It's very important with the orange buildings.  
Speaker 0     01:13:57    The in terms of number 11, the question about the 25 foot temporary easement, it is literally an additional easement to the titter flight away. Come to the gas company to allow them to the gas line. I would know for the, for the board, while they have an easement on our property, they don't have an easement on the property to the north or to the south. They only have any spin-offs and there is no pipe in the easement, but regardless, they still have, have some rights there. An item 12, we agree there's there is some variances required for the fence and the walls. And this phone will we'll provide that testimony on item 13, we have, we will receive written permission from the evening holders or the environmental permitting on your site. And we would submit to you that that is their sole and only quote unquote consent that is required by their evening. Their easements do not provide any control over our site plans, per se. They only provide control over the easements themselves. And in this instance, the DDP requires even holders to ex to co-sign the application. And that will be the consent that will be required. And when we receive those, those permits from the DDP, which we expect very shortly, that will be the evidence of their approval.  
Speaker 0     01:15:36    On item 14, we will provide the test with some additional testimony about the parking. Your ordinance for parking is somewhat extreme as it relates to a warehouse uses. And we think that this proposed parking ratio is more consistent with what the actual requirements are for these uses as evidenced by the ability to not strive are built almost exactly the same standard and Mr. Sackler and discuss on we'll provide some testimony on that on item 22, the building colors, I don't want to steal Mr. Pratt steal his thunder, but when he shows you that the pretty color rendering you'll see the colors. They're nice shades of gray, blue, a little bit of white. So you'll see that it's very consistent with the quality of the palette that's provided at the menu where I have this being constructed around the Skyway this time. And we expect they will be meeting with the staff's approval. And we have no problem working with staff on this colors. If somehow he came is not going to paint his Scarlet for Rutgers. I would, you know, but I have a Rutgers degree, but it's, you know, that was me too.  
Speaker 0     01:16:56    But I, I think, I think the blues and the grades are a little more consistent for us folks or folks expect. And then finally, items 26 through 32, they're all landscaping comments that Mr. , we have no issue per se, with his comments. I would just like to make a general that we will work with Mr. Harris hit your screen on the, on the landscaping Krantz to make sure that the, an appropriate provides appropriate buffering both to the residences, to the west, as well as offerings for the parking that is along south Washington. As, as Mr. Herman said, we sit a little bit above south Washington. So that, that little bit of elevation change in that landscaping will effectively hide most of the cars that are parked. So we're pretty happy with how this can work, but we have no problem working with Mr. Interesting on that, on that comment, I don't know whether you mentioned it or not. Did you address our willingness to read it a 39? Oh yeah. That was one of the blankets. Yes. We agree. Title 39 will be, we'll be requesting with the appropriate signage by the caption.  
Speaker 0     01:18:16    All right. And there was another document, another good Mr. Curly's letter. We agreed to Mr. Partner comments and just the quality of his comments for the record. Yes. I think Mr. Chairman, that's all I would have asked Mr. Pike union, make sure that you are consultants were satisfied that we will comply with wherever or we'll address to the 10. We have not yet done. So on your areas of concern. I appreciate that. Thank you. You may want to check with Mr. Henderson to see if he's satisfied, make sense to us. Yeah. I'm satisfied with the responses to the letter. I think they covered everything and willing to work with us on all of the landscape issues. Again, I appreciate the information regarding the easements. They do not show up on our tax maps. So if you do have any of the deed language and the easement language, I think that engineering department prefer that so that we can get that.  
Speaker 0     01:19:29    And those easements shown on my tax maps as well. We would be happy to provide both the CAD file for you, for your tax master, as well as the document. So you have them. They are very old. They actually, the palliation through the center actually dates to 1930. So it is a very old and very pretty. You have to be happy to provide the JCP and L Michelle Rella. Katherine was just circling the Texas and the stone in the temporary construction easements, I believe. And my John. Yep. Thank you chairman. I have one question, Mr. Chairman. I have a report October 22, the only car minute detailed bodies. Are you going to shield the lights on the parking meters?  
Speaker 0     01:20:28    Do they show the plane? I couldn't find them well. Th they do not be the, we signed the, the south side of the building. The pole lights are, are shielded, but on the west side of the building, the wall packs on the building, but we'll be happy to work with you and, and cancer staff on the appropriate lighting there, whether it's sitting down shielded or whatever the appropriate detail is. And we have no issue with that. And John, Mr. Chadwick, if you have preferences, just let us know. I'm sure that we'll be able to work it out in court. What do you think is best for the town? Fine. Thank you, Mr. Shriver. Bob procedures. All right. Mr. Craft, you make yourself known on your cell phone. Yes. Mr. Feeling to swear you in and raise your right hand. Do you swear the testimony you're about to give shall be the truth so help you God, let me do your name and address please.  
Speaker 0     01:21:28    Rick Pratt. P R a T T. I'm sorry. You broke up. Could you say that again? Rick Pratt, P R a T T. I think he was pronounced plat earlier to our, the 74 ocean Boulevard, Atlanta Highlands, New Jersey architect on the owner of Pratt design studio and have a degree in architecture from Dexter university had been practicing architecture in New Jersey or a licensed architect in New Jersey for 20 years. And I've testified before numerous boards planning and zoning boards in the state of New Jersey. Mr. Chairman, I believe Mr. Pratt can be accepted as an expert architect. Thank you, Mr. .  
Speaker 0     01:22:19    Why don't you show the board what the renderings you have in order to orient themselves to others? Warehouse provided as part of the application package. These were however, I believe he pointed out. And another one that they, there there was colorized. These are colorized, sorry. I guess you want to add these as a colored version of, since they have been changed, we're going to mark them separately. So this is going to be a six. Can you identify a six? I'm sorry, this is, this is a six. Do you want me to write on it? Just tell me what it is. I thought, I'm sorry. So this is a floor plans of the two buildings. This is a building left building a is on the left, which is 184,840. And building B is on the right, which is 174,674 square feet. The loading docks in for both buildings are in the middle facing each other, and then that's pretty much it for the plans.  
Speaker 0     01:23:33    The next, the second page. Also part of the submission, as I said, we're colored a seven. Can you tell what is with a seven is a seven, is the elevations for building a, a was her returning color? The colors are, are generally what our intent is to, to make the building. And what has John mentioned? We will work with the staff, but this is generally their colors in that. It's pretty, pretty much in keeping with what we'd like it to look like. So the, the upper one east elevation, that's the dock wall light and dark gray they're concrete walls are concrete panels, pre-cast concrete panels. And then the, which is, which is the case for all, all sides of the buildings. So the top is the top being a loading dock wall. And then the second one down is the outward face. And then the elevation three and four, three and five are the sides.  
Speaker 0     01:24:38    And then the third, two blown up versions of what those, what the corners will look like. The corners we'll have some ins and outs to them. And I have a rendering that shows a little bit of that show some in shadow. So we varied the height across the building. So it breaks up the height. And then we also varied. There's a kind of a bump out here, not very much eight inch bump out. And then at the corners, this bumps in, and there's some, there's a post here. So that creates some more shade and shadow. And then, so that's, that's building a building. B is what exhibit you want to call this? This will be eight. So that's, it's really the same look, everything I described on the previous, just for building B. So these are the elevations of building bait, right? And then that's it for those. And then I have,  
Speaker 3     01:25:46    Oh,  
Speaker 0     01:25:56    This is,  
Speaker 0     01:26:03    This is a view from south Washington. So the documents submitted with the original application was not so that's another exhibit. Okay. This is going to be a nine. And describe that again, please. So this shows the, the front view or the street view along south Washington, and then are Dan generally the same colors, the same materials, but just to show you what their corners will look like, there's, there's some, some shade and shadow created and some glass on the corners for the tenants. That's the landscaping is a little, a little larger than it's going to be, but that's, that's generally what it will look like from the road. And then I have one other rendering We're actually two. So this is, this is Google street view from the, from the, from the school on the it's the west side of the site, looking at the . Yeah. This is to show you why you see now. And then this will be a 11. This is a rendered view with our building in the background. I think as was part of the other testimony. It's our building is 660 feet away. So there's a lot of, there's a lot of existing landscaping between, and we're not changing any of that. So,  
Speaker 0     01:27:50    So that's, that's the view. You, it's not gonna, you're not gonna see much of anything. That's all I have. I thank you, Mr. Laugh. And I, at the risk of overstepping my bounds, I think the court reporters are working pretty hard. Do you think it would be appropriate if we could take a short recess for the court reporter? That's fine. Bob Evans is fine. I thank you. Jumping here. So the board will come back to a order at nine, 10  
Speaker 0     01:29:49    This until we can, I must say, okay. My next one is our tracking person. That's Mr. Sackler. Jim, maybe constrain him please. Mr. Secretary, or your president. Yes, I am. You swear? The testimony you're about to give is true. The truth. So help you got it. Yes, I do your name and address please. My name is Matt Sackler. That is S E C K L E R I'm with stolen field engineering designed addresses 92 park avenue in Rutherford, New Jersey. We have your background please. Absolutely. I have a bachelor of science is Cilla Gerry from union college in Schenectady, New York. Masters is city regional planning from Rutgers university. I'm a licensed professional engineer in the state of New Jersey recognized professional traffic operations engineer. I did see transportation engineers. I believe that accepted by this board a number of years ago on a quick check application, Mr. Chairman, I believe it can be accepted as a traffic engineer expert.  
Speaker 0     01:30:56    I was chairman I think from union. I am a police proceeded. Alright, thank you, Mr. Chameleon, Mr. Sackler, would you please explain to me what your role is in this application and spending them how the traffic impacts relate to the neighborhood and the, the site? Absolutely. And again, we had prepared a traffic impact study. It was daily and submitted to the board dated July 8th, 2020. I'll briefly go into the findings of that report. Again, I know sometimes traffic engineers can be a little long-winded and I'll try to hit on the key aspects of that before I confirm the secretary, then they have that report as part of the file.  
Speaker 3     01:31:40    Yes.  
Speaker 0     01:31:42    Okay. Go ahead. And not only as a part of the file, it was distributed to the members even better. Yes. I hope it was fun reading for everyone. The site is located on the, the west side of south Washington avenue, which I think is important. It is a county road, which means any roadway, improvements, potential roadway, improvements, access points, all will be reviewed and obviously need to be conferred and accepted by the county. As part of this application. One of the things we did as part of the application is we ran a trip generation analysis, and this is done standard in the industry using the trip generation manual and doing so we're able, not only to estimate the amount of vehicle trips that would be generated, but also the amount of truck traffic from a site like this. One of the things to note is that we've seen in this industry as newer warehouses are being more logistically friendly.  
Speaker 0     01:32:40    They're not having their trucks arrived during the morning rush hours, no optimal operating site. Once they have their trucks sitting in traffic on 2 87 during the morning rush hour during the evening rush hours. So you're seeing what's happening is you have employees that arrived here morning, evening, rush hour, and you have the trucks that basically come generally during the middle of the day when the roadway volumes are a little bit less, a little depressed on the site. So overall from this type of development, you would only expect during your morning and evening rush hour, that's 13 to 15% of the overall traffic being tractor trailer type traffic during the off hours. Those numbers will be higher and percentage, but again, overall, when we're most concerned with the traffic on the road, it's definitely a, a lesser impact of truck traffic as opposed to vehicular traffic being generated on the site.  
Speaker 0     01:33:31    One of the things to also remember is that as our council mentioned earlier on in the evening, this was a site that previously went through a whispering woods application regarding a mixed use development that mixed use development. And it's just comparing the old traffic impact study to the traffic impact study. We prepare showed a co a very large difference between the traffic we're generating and the traffic that, that application, which went through its process of approval generate in terms of traffic for some comparisons are set. The previous application for mixed use generated 10 times the amount of evening rush hour traffic than our site. We'd be generating the site on Saturday. The previous development for this site generated 1000 trips in the, in the Saturday rush hour. This site, most warehouses, you generate a handful, maybe even 10 trips maximum on a Saturday peak hour.  
Speaker 0     01:34:27    So you're comparing these very large generating sites of mixed use development to this warehouse site, which really generates in terms of the amount of traffic about one new car or one new vehicle leaving the site in the minute, a minute during the rush hour timeframe. So again, a complete reduction of traffic compared to what I had previously been, I guess, approved to be constructed on the site through the, through the whispering woods negotiation overall. So overall looking at the site and the overall surrounding network is clearly as a less impactful development compared to that other site. One aspect I will get into also is parking because we are seeking a parking variance, having worked in this industry a number of years, and I've read a good deal of recent publications on warehouse use because obviously it's a very popular, loose use in the industry. What we're seeing is the parking requirements, especially when comparing it to older ordinances.  
Speaker 0     01:35:29    And I don't know the specific date of your parking requirements currently, the way these sites operate as they're basically being operated with less and less, I would say manpower in the building, the parking demand that we're seeing as being, being reduced over time. So a lot of these new warehouses are not seeing the same type of parking requirements. As some older ordinances may capture for this application we're actually required to have for the Oregon 738 parking spaces.  sure we came for the ordinance. It's not for the ordinance on this property because you've got to either R or mixing from settling in the woods. You're comparing this to the warehouse zoning elsewhere in town, where it is permitted. And so far as I guess, they're that relates to the negative front here. Yes, absolutely. Absolutely. Yep, no, you're correct. And the, just to compare the ordinance or where this has permitted, the parking requirement is basically two parking spaces per thousand square feet of building for warehouse, plus a parking on top of that for the office component.  
Speaker 0     01:36:42    And again, this is like an internal accessory office, not a new use on the site, but just an internal office space, what we're seeing in the industry. And this is based on the it parking generation manual, they've actually published 95% confidence intervals for parking rate shows, meaning you can feel confident that 95% of your sites would fit between these parking numbers. And they're looking at one parking space per 2000 to one parking space per 3000 square feet of warehouse space. So again, we're comparing the town ordinance, which is about one per 500 for warehouses where it's permitted one per 500 square feet to the other end of the spectrum where the industry is looking at parking that's, you know, you know, about half that or even a quarter of that requirement. So again, there's a little bit of a disconnect between what the industry is seeing in addition to what is the, the ordinance were permitted within the township.  
Speaker 0     01:37:42    I would state that one of the things we did as part of this application was we looked at other warehouses specifically in the area. And we found this just to the north of us, that warehouse on Knox drive that was built at about one parking space for 1000 square feet. So again, still greater than what the, it would would measure, but not quite what it, the township we were looking for, where it'd be permitted. And that's basically what we're doing. And that's, that's basically right on the dot what we're doing here. We have a 363 spaces for 359,000 square feet. So again, nearly one to 1000, just like the developments north of us. Again, I I've driven by the site a number of times, again, I can't say I've been there every single day, but whenever I've been by the sites of the north Knox drive, I've never noticed that issue with parking and nursing parking, having to spill out on any nearby streets, people parking in any drive aisles, at least from as I've driven by it.  
Speaker 0     01:38:39    So again, I think that we've tried to be mindful of where the industry is going, but also what the attention earliest previously approved on development, similar to this. And again, also the trade-off on the other end and you'll hear it from Christine later on during her testimony is obviously the negative impacts of adding excess parking. That's not necessary when you're talking about a impervious coverage, stormwater management, all those aspects, you know, having to cut down a number of trees and vegetation again, just to provide parking spaces that the industry is showing is not necessary. I think would, again, you'll hear from the negative criteria, positive criteria later on from Christine. I think you could clearly see that the goal here is to provide just the right amount of parking, maybe a little more than just the right amount of parking, but not too much for providing potential damages to the environment.  
Speaker 0     01:39:32    So overall, as part of this project, what we've done here is we've been able to compare the trip generation compared to the whispering woods application with Springwoods settlement on this project and see a complete, a complete reduction in traffic, almost 10 fold during every time of day, we're seeing driveways that the way they've been designed with the northerly driveway writing right out southerly driveway, being that full move in driveway is one that we believe could operate safely and efficiently. I would note there was a review letter paired by CME, and it was provided to the applicant. There's a number of items in there that we think are, are great suggestions. One of which we will be removing was a double left turn lane coming from the southerly driveway and making that a single left turn lane. So that the girls, when you're referring to you're senior writer in November five, pulling it up on my screen.  
Speaker 0     01:40:30    But yes, that is the date November. The refer to observations you requests or crunchy criticisms, perhaps you could refer to them my number so that the record is clear and the board to understand exactly what is that we're agreeing to. So, yes, absolutely. And I believe the one that I'm referring to is come at number eight on the review letter. And again, we have no problem providing any of the reference materials or providing any of the corrections that were recommended within comments. One through seven comments, number eight, there was a concern raised by the CMA traffic engineer, Mr. Chen, about the double left turn lane coming from our south Washington driveway. On the south side, we have no problem re striping that. So we have only a single left turn lane reading site. We do think having that extra pavement so that the larger wheel based vehicles can make the turn efficiently would be beneficial, but we will only have a single left turn lane in that area.  
Speaker 0     01:41:35    In additionally, we've done some subsequent analysis that adding Mr. Chen and Mr. Watson basically justifying the fact that we don't believe that the proximity between the drive out of the site easterly side of the warehouse, building B B comparison to the southerly driveway is a concern we were basically looking at nearly the entire day. There'll be no issue with cars entering or leaving our internal drive Isles and getting to the full movement driveway at the southerly side of the site. So again, we will be able to provide all that analysis to CME as part of our kind of resolution compliance package. Should this board act favorably on the application, everything else within the review letter, again, we will note those suggestions as it relates to onsite design, if the appropriate changes, and then I believe number 18 on the final common, the review letter first, and the fact that this is a, an application that would go before the county planning board, and then obviously their rulings, or we're not Washington be a tiny road yes.  
Speaker 0     01:42:46    That we would be obviously under their jurisdiction for any improvements widening or any type of changes to the access driveways themselves. I think that engineering letter also made some comment about a question about turning radius and radius. Can you just emphasize whether you think they were okay with that? Or what changes, if any? Yes. I'm comfortable with the way that the, the site driveways have been designed to allow for these larger wheelbase vehicles to enter and exit the site. The site has been designed with all the industry standard parking space dimensions, as well as the drive aisle dimensions. So again, I have no concern with the way the site's been designed for those turning templates. And we would provide myself or the site engineer provide those turning templates that were requested by us cm. Taking part of that is based upon the anticipated direction of the flow from one to 2 87 to the site because of how close we'll argue later with your Phoenix, particularly student, because of its proximity to yeah.  
Speaker 0     01:43:51    That part of your analysis as well. Yes, it is. And again, that was part of our traffic study, both the way trips were routed to our site, but also as you mentioned, when they approach our site, which how they'd be able to turn in, make the necessary right. Turns or left turns in or out of the site. And as you mentioned, 2 87 is the main draw for these, the tractor trailers to the site. So they'd be mainly coming in heading southbound and leaving, going northbound to go up towards 2 87 and the internal circulation, I think for ordinary cars, obviously much easier and accommodated if we can do the truck as well. Yes, absolutely. The trucks have the design vehicle for warehouse such as this. And again, I think there were some questions about even trash trucks and we have no problem showing that those, all those movements work, but I can state on the record that the drive aisles that we've designed are appropriate for those types of vehicles.  
Speaker 0     01:44:47    Just put a fine point on it. Isn't consistent with the other projects that you've been involved in, where what you went missing from the way it's designed to trap the JDI on the internal circulation. Yes. I mean, I've probably worked on over a dozen warehouse projects within the last four or five months, and all of them have dimensions that are nearly identical to this. And I think this is again on the, maybe even on the higher end in terms of the drive aisle widths in the number of loading parking spaces and learning birds. And we're satisfied with the adequate number of parking space. You've got equity level, both the truck traffic, as well as the employee trucks while your car track. Absolutely. We are in compliance with compliance with the township ordinance where whereas our permitted, as it relates to the number of loading births and truck parking spaces, as it relates to car parking spaces, again, I gave the justification that the industry would even suggest we could support less parking spaces that we've proposed here, but we're looking to align ourselves with the warehouse to the north of us and follow that guidance for what we believe is a proper middle, middle ground between the township ordinance, where it's permitted and, and the ITE daily.  
Speaker 0     01:46:03    So you're consistent with ITV. And let me just ask Mo Skylar. I was right next to our poverty. How does it compare with other neighboring Ms. Values in Middlesex county, are the other municipalities having any trouble using higher or lower parking requirements? Again, looking at other . And I can't speak for every single one of them. I'm typically seeing ratios that range between one per every 3000 square feet to one for every 1000 square feet for parking. So again, I, that tends to be what I'm seeing in looking at neighboring counts, whether it's Middlesex county, Monmouth county, again, all these sites that are located near interstate highways, it seems to be that's the, that's the going growing trend. And again, I think it's because the warehousing industry has changed over time from kind of the workers warehouse to more of this kind of a quick turnaround warehouse where it maybe be able to be operated with less workers onsite.  
Speaker 0     01:47:09    I thanks, Mr. Chairman, that's all I would have from Mr. Seckler. That's my review. I would move on to our final, the witness, which is our millimeters on the borders. They have any questions for him, anybody on board, any questions for this witness? I do. Mr. Sackler  I actually wrote most of the majority of this letter. I guess the only question I have is can you speak to the, the, the, there's there's an issue in the letter about a traffic signal warrant analysis. Could you speak a little bit more to that for the, for the board, please? I'm sorry, who's speaking just now. I apologize. Sorry. Let me introduce myself. I'm Kevin Chen. I would see the associates and I actually wrote the traffic review letter that from November five that Mr. Sackler had been referencing.  
Speaker 0     01:48:08    Thanks, Mr. Chen. So I guess your comment and I get I'll pull up the number here so that it could be properly followed on the record. It is common. Number five here is comment number eight as well. Yeah, yeah. I guess number eight was a long one. It was the last paragraph of number eight. So it was page four, beginning of page four. Yes, absolutely. And again, you referenced the mut CD, which is the manual of uniform traffic control devices, publication, which discusses traffic signal wards, or where traffic signals may be warranted again, just because a warrant is met, doesn't mean that a traffic signal is required to be installed, but I would say 99% of the time a traffic signal is not installed. Let's say a warrant is met. I'm looking along this corridor because of, I would say the lower traffic volume that we're generating on this site.  
Speaker 0     01:49:12    And also looking at the fact that we are near to other traffic signals. I believe that the intersection at Mettler's is less than 2000 square feet, 2000 feet to the south. The intersection knocks, which is a signalized intersection at the, at the warehouse to the north of us is not a thousand feet to the north. We're in a location where we really don't meet any what I would say that the big warrants, the big warrants are having traffic volumes that reach a certain level for eight hours of the day. The second biggest or the most important warrant that you typically look for is whether you generate enough over four hours of the day, you don't meet any of those warrants, those, those typical ones that would really a push towards installing a traffic signal. I went back and looked at the warrant analysis for the Knox drive the warehouse, the north of us.  
Speaker 0     01:50:01    And unfortunately they took advantage of one of the warrants that kind of Kevin utilize when you're, I'd say spaced well between two other signalized intersections. So they took advantage of the fact that they're kinda WellSpace between the Centennial ad intersection, the Mettler's lane intersection, and took advantage of putting a traffic signal using that water because they've gone in and they kind of squeezed our spacing. It really is to me, not advisable based on the mut STI of storing a traffic signal on our driveway. And again, I think we can take advantage of the fact that the other intersections near us all have traffic signals. So we almost have a, in fact, I have a traffic signal here, and again, this is a county roadway and it would kind of fall under their jurisdiction, but we don't believe that we would meet any of the, the typical warrants that would require a traffic center, this intersection, okay. In January, I guess my follow up is that when you, when you go, when you bring this to the Middlesex county planning board, can you get, can we get concurrence that from their end at a traffic signal would not be warranted them. I think that's a fair, and that's something that we definitely could have a lot of bringing that out.  
Speaker 0     01:51:31    Have any other questions?  question Dave agreed to comply with the fire department, fire marshals. That's what he testified. And I think John was the one who said, yes, we can thrive. If they lose more parking spaces, fire lanes that would affect the board's decision are least the details of the decision on barking there. So I think you got to lose faces right now. We don't believe we will. Between between Rick and, and Craig and the team. I don't think I don't, I don't think we approached the millions and millions of square feet of warehouses that you've reviewed, but especially being involved in self-funded. But we are pretty confident that with what we provided, that we will keep what we have, especially with the parking field. We have two parking fields that are away from the building on the south side. And the configuration we show on the east and west side of the building is fairly standard. So we are pretty confident that we'll we'll keep pretty much everything we have. Okay. Thank you, Mr. Driver, other than other variances necessary. Okay. Mr. Wilson. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, our final witnesses, Ms.  and gentlemen be so kindness. Swear her in. I'd be obliged Mr. The phone, could you raise your right hand? Do you swear that the testimony you're about to give shall be the truth so help you God? Yes, I do your name and address please.  
Speaker 1     01:53:38    Christine and the Xero and a Z, Z a R O  C O F as in Frank O N E. His address is 1 25 half mile road, suite 200 red bank, New Jersey, 0 7 7 0 1.  
Speaker 0     01:53:53    The chairman, I believe Ms.  has been accepted as a professional planner before this board on prior occasions, please proceed. Mr. Wilson and commission. Ms. Chairman stepped in was an expert I seen. Can you, in order for you to do is study and determine whether or not satisfied the positive and negative experience for use fans for these proposed warehouse building, you need to tell the board what the results of your analysis and investigation of reveal.  
Speaker 1     01:54:22    Yes. Good evening, Mr. Chameleon, Mr. Chairman, thank you for accepting my credentials for the record, Christine . So what I did in preparation for this use variance application testimony was I reviewed the application documents. I reviewed your professional review letters. I reviewed the master plan and the zoning ordinance, and I visited the area and the surrounding properties. I am familiar with the history on this application, as well as the prior applications. So the relief that we're seeking here tonight is because the subject property, despite being in a corridor that is somewhat commercial and mixed use, the nature is actually located in the  residential zone. So as such, we need a use variance, and we need to demonstrate that the site is particularly suitable for the proposed use. When you turn, when you look to, can you hear me? Yes. Okay. So when you look to what the establish particular suitability it's in sort of an elusive concept and the site doesn't need to be, somebody needs to run, meet your phone, Ron, mute your phone.  
Speaker 1     01:55:30    Thank you. So when you talk about particular suitability, you look at the concept of, is the site doesn't have to be uniquely suited, but just what makes this site suitable. And I think one of the things that we can be for by is the second comment and Mr. Chadwick's October 22nd, 2020 review letter on the site talks about that the site abuts existing development and its border to the south and west by wooded areas and not single family homes are located a significant distance from the site. And we showed you an exhibit earlier that shared you the closest single family home with some 600 feet, but most importantly, for particular suitability and Mr. Sacker testified to this earlier, this site is located a half mile from the intersection of, from materially seven interchange. So that is, I think that certainly renders the site particularly suitable for the proposed use because we are a D one use variance.  
Speaker 1     01:56:24    In addition to particular suitability, we have to demonstrate that there are certain positive criteria or special reasons that exist for the grants of the variants. And they're certainly not used to Prescott. They're not unique to the Skyway or not my planning language. I didn't come up with them. They come right out of the land, use law and we have to establish consistency with or advancing one or more. So I think the board can look at criteria G which talks about sufficient space in appropriate locations. We certainly are providing for adequate buffering, adequate stormwater management while we need a parking variance. And I have done many warehouse type facility in the Monroe area around the seven, eight interchange. So I think that certainly there is sufficient space on this property for this use. If you look at the bulk criteria for you in Piscataway for this type of use were consistent with the bulk criteria and Piscataway and what your zoning ordinance would allow were in line with the coverage requirements in the L I and M one zone and Piscataway, you allow forty-five percent coverage.  
Speaker 1     01:57:26    So I think when you look at that, you can rely on criteria G that's efficient space, inappropriate locations is advanced, but I also think criteria, I, which talks about a desirable visual environment is advanced by this application. You saw the architecture that we proposed earlier in the evening. This isn't a, not a monolithic warehouse building. We were careful to introduce multiple colors and color palettes that are muted to make the scale of the building appropriate. So I think criteria I can be advanced, but then I also think criteria am, which talks about an efficient use of the land. And I think Mr. Sackler really alluded to this where he talks about the parking. I mean, typically, and Piscataway is not unique in the fact that your ordinance, your ordinance over parks for this type of use, it is not unusual in my experience to see an ordinance require more parking than is really necessary for this type of use.  
Speaker 1     01:58:22    So I think the parking that we're proposing is appropriate to the use appropriate with the industry appropriate with the contiguous property. So I think again, from a planning point of view, it really boils down to, could you meet the ordinance? Sure. But why would you want to do that? It's certainly a much better zoning alternative to build an appropriate of parking with far less impervious coverage that still meets the demands of the use in an inappropriate way. And I think that that's the balance that our application has struck here. So I think the board can rely on criteria am of the land use law that leaves us still with the burden of proof to establish the negative criteria. And the land use law is clear that it does not ask you to pause us or any other applicant to a standard that there being no detriment, just at the benefits of the grants of the variance outweigh any detriment and that there's no substantial detriment to either the public good or the zone plan, as far as the substantial Jackson to the public.  
Speaker 1     01:59:17    Good. Mr. Chadwick again, in his October 22nd, 2020 review letter makes a recommendation that's comment three in that letter that we add some how side shields to the lights. And I think we can do that. In addition, one of the things that struck me as being unique is that we have a parking field for passenger cars, to the west of building a, which is the building to the rear of our property. There's no need for trucks to go into that parking lot. So if the board were to move favorably on this application and put a restriction on trying to Taylor's in that area, you would actually have a situation on this property where tractor trailers would be well over or over close to a thousand feet to the nearest residential use. So I think that that would be appropriate and something that the board can consider on the context of the negative criteria to really you have a building, then you have a very large building and access of keeping the truck traffic over a thousand feet from the nearest residential property.  
Speaker 1     02:00:14    In addition, you heard of testifying earlier that we would preserve the tree line on the site. So what I think that you have the makings out from a planning point of view is an excellent transitional area between two uses of different intensity. I think that that sets up nicely for that and that we would have no substantial detriment to the public good. And the board can certainly consider those things as reasonable conditions to ensure that that, that those situations are extending into the future, but there are conditions of approval. So really lastly, the board has to sort of then reconcile them the DG proofs and Vici reconciliation for a non highly beneficial views require that the board reconcile the, with the master plan that continued omission and the last time this getaway, and I know you're reviewing your master plan right now, but the last time your master plan was looked at was in 2005.  
Speaker 1     02:01:03    And you can certainly consider change circumstances in the area and changed, you know, community demands. And particularly when you're considering them, the DG standards, you can consider the characteristics of the community and the proximity, the regional highway system of 2 87 together with the fact that the property is not reasonably adaptable for a permitted use in the  zone. So these are all the things that you can look at the passage of time since your last examination or master plan. The lack of the site being reasonably adapted to conforming use the proximity of regional highway systems. The board can certainly consider all of these factors when you reconcile the omission of the use. I also think that the board should look at the fact that in the master plan, there was a very specific goal that is honored and advanced by this application, which talks about providing for the continued expansion of the economic and tax days of the township.  
Speaker 1     02:01:59    So I think while the use isn't permitted, we certainly honor and advance that goal that is in your master plan. So that is the burden of proof for a D one use variance. The say we've established, in my opinion, as a planner site, suitability we've satisfied the positive criteria. I testified to the negative criteria and the lack of substantial detriment to both the zone plan and the public. Good. And I talked about them, the DG reconciliation, I should probably talk briefly about some of the bulk variances that are required in my opinion, because this is a use variance, a D variance, the signing of the variance for signage and the bulk variance for coverage are subsumed into this application because clearly when you have an R one zone, the science standards were not set up for this type of use. However, I can tell you that I think the board can be comforted that this is an attractive sign.  
Speaker 1     02:02:53    It has a brick phase. He provided a detail for it on sheets. See 20 of your plans set that shows a polished steel cap and a very attractive for face that's landscapes. So I think it's an attractive sign and why I believe it's subsumed is because they're all one doesn't allow this use of certainly it's not going to allow the free sign for it. We talked about the parking. That to me is clearly just a better zoning alternative. There is absolutely no planning benefits to be gained by compliance with the ordinance. It just would result in more coverage, more impervious coverage and a less efficient site layout. I know Mr had said earlier, I would talk about the fences and walls, the fences of the walls. I think the board could look at unlike a D variance, there are two mechanisms that the board can grant a C variance.  
Speaker 1     02:03:38    You can grant one under the C one hardship criteria or under the C two, if it's a better zoning alternative. So the reason we have the, the walls on the, the Eastern portion of our property, the Eastern is around the wetlands. We need to have the retaining walls. And then on the Northern part of the property, it's to put the, the fencing around the easements. So encumbrances on the property are driving the fence locations and the height of the fence. Also, your ordinance requires a five foot chain-link fence around the detention basin. So I think the board can look at the fact that there some unique site features here. We do have some wetlands that we are putting fencing around. We do have some easements that we're putting the fencing around, so, and the fences are marginally over what the ordinance requires. So I just think that you can look at the C1, statutory criteria there and find that those unique site features are contributing to the need for those variances.  
Speaker 1     02:04:36    So I can say that, I think that this is a use that I think is important to our communities, particularly in, in these days, the distribution and fulfillment of goods and services through our homes and businesses is important now more than ever. And I think that this is a really great transitional use site. And I think this, this use fits in with the character of the area. And I think that the totality of the various rooms could be granted with no substantial detriment and that the applicant satisfies its burden of proof for all of the variants beneath that's required.  
Speaker 0     02:05:11    How significant is the location and proximity to seven sheer determination of the properties, particularly suitable for this type of use  
Speaker 1     02:05:21    It's absolutely consent it's absolutely. Which is why we looked into site the exact, you know, it's one thing to say, oh, it's proximate to interstate 2 87. It's enough. Another thing to say, decisively and affirmatively, it's a half mile to the 2 87 and interchange. That's why we took the time to make sure we have that distance to prepare and tell and tell the board just how close it was, because that is relevant. It's certainly a factor. And it certainly likely why the site to our west was developed with an industrial user as well, because it's a really a great location. And when you look at the south Washington corridor, it certainly is a mixed use corridor that has great regional highway access. So certainly those are things that you can consider the character of the community and the proximity of the regional hub or a network,  
Speaker 0     02:06:13    Sorry, in terms of particular suitability, but is it also important to your analysis that the trucks can come in and out of the site without going through high density, residential areas,  
Speaker 1     02:06:24    Or really any residential areas that they could come to and from the site without they might pass on one or two scattered single family homes, but they're certainly not going to be traversing any residential developed areas. And also the fact that it's, we're really a very substantial distance from any residential property or home to our aunt, to the south, I believe  
Speaker 0     02:06:45    Make sure I'm summarizing it correctly. And if I'm not please correct me, it's a piece of property that's contiguous to other warehouse. Property is close to 2 87 to get in and out of the property. Doesn't require the trucks to go through any residential zones. And the site is big enough to accommodate and internally circulated the trucks, but everything else. And because it's a low sewer generator, it fits appropriately as opposed to the whispering woods settling, which we required a serious and significant expenditure to get all the way to Miller's I think, to, to sit with the site,  
Speaker 1     02:07:20    Yes, this, the site is certainly more resilient, readily adaptable to the storage capacity associated with this use than it was for the use. That was the subject of the whispering woods. That's absolutely true statement.  
Speaker 0     02:07:33    I don't know anything further, Mr. Chairman, this, the problem is the board ask questions or Jupiter from below. Does anyone on the board have any questions for the applicant Mr. Chairman? And I just have a couple of quick questions which talked about the 2 87 access, but is there anything that prevents trucks from going southbound on Washington avenue towards Madeline's lane or continuing on Butler's lane towards route 18?  
Speaker 1     02:08:03    I think I'll defer that Mr. Hensel scene to our traffic engineer, if that's okay.  
Speaker 0     02:08:08    Okay. What's your sector. Can you answer that question? Th there's no specific restriction at this point for any movements going southbound right out of a drug. Okay. So that means your truck, traffic, potentially truck traffic, looking to go to the turnpike, probably be easier for them to go out, make a right go down Mettler's lane until they hit Rudy team, they will pass residential traffic. So I don't know if that was just an accurate depiction that they will not pass. They don't, they definitely don't have to, but to say that they want, I think is a stretch because you have Mettler's lane that has residential homes and you have, again, both legs and Mettler's lane. They have residential homes, I'm a rank towards duty team, but just think that might be the, you know, again, somebody's going to take the shorter route to go. Let's say they're to the turnpike.  
Speaker 0     02:09:04    They're not going to go north on 2 87 that they can go south onto river road or 2 87 or hose lane, you know? So you just got to, there may need to be some internal, you know, guidance, I think from these buildings. And, you know, maybe we look into making sure that this truck traffic goes out towards 2 87. I mean, we can always provide, again, this is mad Sackler. We could always provide guidance that the driveways in terms of, you know, left to, you know, 27 turnpike, those types of signs, I would say, as someone who sat in the traffic on route 18, trying to approach the interchange nine area through from the new Brunswick side, it's not that pleasant of a connection as opposed to taking 2 87 to the exit 10 interchange on the turnpike over there. I, and I'm not a truck driver, but I just, you know, from experience to me, I still think 2 87 is the preferred route to the turbine, as opposed to coming down Butler's lane and taking a team through to cross back. Thank you. Thank you. Huh? I had a question, Steve Weissman. I had a question. It was pretty much similar to Mr. . It was again in the opposite direction, heading north, any traffic coming up from south Jersey, I'm going to 18 because we're where they're going to be. It's going to be one lane. It's one, one long spot. It's all narrowed down to one lane, right by the Sturbridge village area.  
Speaker 0     02:10:42    That, that was my concern. You're referring to river road. You're referring to which section are you referring to? If you get off route 18 by the Rutgers exit, I think you E possibly Sutton's lane, is it moving, but you continue straight on Mettler's and come to a traffic light, but he got a left to right. And stay on Mettler's riding through. Do that left that all narrowed down to one lane, correct. Again. And I'm not a truck driver. If I was, if I was a truck driver, just looking at the route. If I was coming from the south, coming up 18, I likely would actually swing around. And at least the speed of the roads. Again, as you said, the geometry of the roads is actually easier to stay on route 18 to Centennial AV and then come across Centennial avid down into the site on that direction, hopefully and all the way out.  
Speaker 0     02:11:48    Again, I just looking at this, the type of room, again, not being a truck driver, they'd prefer to stay on arterial level roadways, which are, you know, really 18, you know, divided highway type Boulevard, style roadways, like route 18, as opposed to he was reading who's speaking right now, someone was speaking and we can identify, please, please mute Mr. . Are you done? Okay. My comment is done. My answer is done. I don't know if there's anybody, if you have any more questions, Paula. No, I'm okay. You good? Okay. Anyone else on the is eight questions hearing none. I'm going to open up to the .  
Speaker 0     02:12:44    I just want to clarify, is this fully fenced, Chris? It is not fully fence. We, we kind of followed the, we followed the lead of our neighbor to the, to the north and did not fence. We would have no objection. If, if the board chose to act favorably here to having a fence on our Western boundary, you know, towards the residences, if we'd have no objection to that. Any other questions? No. Okay, Joe, I'm going to open to the public. Hey, Mr. Chairman smart with the public. Are there any attorneys representing any members of the public? Ms. Buck, please. Do you see any attorneys wishing to be her?  
Speaker 2     02:13:46    There's a ton of names. I have no idea if there's a few people with their hands raised.  
Speaker 0     02:13:51    Yeah. Okay. If there is an attorney representing members of the public or objectors, would you unmute and identify yourself? Hello. Okay. Once, once more, are there any attorneys representing any members of the public? I have nine identified. Any attorneys representing any members of the public. They would ordinarily recognize them first coming up to members of the public. And this is now the time for questions of the applicants, witnesses. Any hands raised Laura?  
Speaker 2     02:14:45    There's a whole bunch. I don't know how you want to. There's a Marc Fucci his one up first. I'm just going to go to order from the list.  
Speaker 0     02:14:54    Okay, Mr. Bouchie.  
Speaker 2     02:14:57    Yeah. He's muted though.  
Speaker 0     02:14:59    Mr. Fowchee, you need to unmute yourself. I'm on mute, sir. Am I pronouncing your name correctly? Mora forcing. Forcing. Could you raise your right hand? I will. You swear the testimony you're about to give shall be the truth so help you God. No, I do. Thank you. I don't really have a question for the, so maybe I jumped the gun. I just wanted to make a statement about the application just during the next person and okay. That, that, that's a very, very good comment. Let me, let me stop you there, Mr. Chairman. Yes. There's been a lot of testimony tonight. I believe it would be appropriate to take questions from the public of the witnesses first. And once the questions are completed, then it will be time for comments for against the application I got. Okay. I agree. Okay, Ms. Buckley, can you see that? Who's next  
Speaker 2     02:16:00    People keep moving. I see a Matthew. K N O B is unmuting.  
Speaker 0     02:16:08    Hello? Hi, Matthew. How are you doing well? How are you? Do you have a question for some of the witnesses? Yes, I do. Okay. I need to swear you in. Could you raise your right hand? Do you swear that the testimony you're about to give shall be the truth so help you God, I do your name and spell your last name, please. Matthew and Noblock K N O B as in boy, L E U C H. Thank you. Proceed. Excuse me. I said, please proceed. First. Generally, I'd like to thank the zoning board of adjustment for their work and dedication envisioning this town a better place to live. But in this context, I'd really like to caution that much of that work would be for nothing. If they approve harmful development, these experts here have gone through this is the time for questions of the applicants witnesses.  
Speaker 0     02:17:00    Sure. Do those, where do those questions need to be directed at a particular witness? Yes. And once that, once that particular stage is completed, then we will open it to the public for your comments on the merits of the application, whether you're for or against, if you have questions of particular witnesses, I think there've been six witnesses, and this is the time if you don't that we should wait until the next stage to give your comments. So I don't know which way this would be the best suited. It might be Mr. Pride. It might be someone else. So my question, the, the, the surveys of, of the parcels have gone over in detail, you know, the existing use, but I didn't hear any of the witnesses. I like, I think I, I think Mr. Pratt would be best suited, but I'm not totally sure on impacts to wildlife.  
Speaker 0     02:17:53    This town is super saturated with that's carrying capacity for deer, a recent Middlesex county study concluded. There were 110,000 deer in the county. That's 300 deer per square mile. The carrying capacity is five. So what we have in a situation where you're destroying what is currently early successional forest, you know, Eastern red, Cedar is high grass, things like that. And please, and then I can tell you, I believe he's asking a question. The question is, have any of these experts analyze the impacts to wildlife, including deer possums, foxes have, have any of the experts analyzed the public health concerns for air pollution from emissions, from diesel vehicles? All right. You're asking a lot of questions. We need to go one at a time.  
Speaker 0     02:18:46    Okay. The first question, have any of your witnesses analyze the effects of this development on wildlife, Mr. Keeley, if it's okay with you in the chair, I'll ask you to swear in Mr. Oland back. Who's another representative of the company. I think he can answer that. Mr. Oland Beck, can you raise your right hand? Do you swear the testimony you're about to give I do, would you identify yourself please? Sure. I am drawn. Hollenback AUL, E N B a C H. I'm the director of engineering properties in the M and M project here. So to, to answer Matthew's question, you know, obviously this site is a second family residence with a wooded area object to DP for one year. So we can have pending application before the DMP, which takes into account our life and everything when they exhibit a permitting process. So as part of that process, it look at that and see what disturbance we have and what we're allowed to do.  
Speaker 0     02:19:58    So that's part of their process. And that's why we're obligated to follow which, which permit application are you talking about specifically? So we applied for a wetlands LOI, which a let her interpretation, which we received. We are currently pending with the DP for what they referred to as a transitional transitional area waiver permit, as well as a GP six and the GP 11 was for disturbance of wetlands and now fall. But as part of that process, the NGDP natural wildlife or agricultural, they look into what's on the site and they weigh in on your permitting process. So that's, it's all governed by the DMP. So is it accurate to say that you have not directly considered it? It's just, you're shifting the burden on the department, environmental protection to analyze the risks of harming wildlife. Oh, we're just following the letter of the law. I'm not saying we, we looked at her and didn't look at it where Mr. No.  
Speaker 0     02:21:03    Okay. So my, my next question, as I asked, was plants to air pollution. Have any of the experts considered the consequences of upwards of, or perhaps including 60 diesel trucks, idling in a warehouse facility at the same time, while simultaneously a reduction in nearly a million square feet of forest land. And otherwise it will be space. It's not required by the township. We have not looked into it. I'm sorry, but that was a yes or no question answered. And he said, no. Okay. Have, have any of the experts analyzed the policy reasons behind the 35 foot height ordinance says it currently stands. Okay. There, he doesn't have to answer that. There there's, there's no land use consideration behind policy standards. Okay. Okay. Those are all the questions I have specifically for those witnesses. Thank you. Thank you, sir. Laura, Ms. Berger, Ms. Berger, Ms. , could you swear, do you swear that the testimony you're about to give shall be the true self you've got? I,  
Speaker 4     02:22:25    I squared that to that. I'm wondering if I'm giving testimony. If I'm asking questions of other people giving testimony though,  
Speaker 0     02:22:32    Because a lot of times when you ask questions, you start to give opinions. And that's why we swear in people before they ask questions.  
Speaker 4     02:22:43    Okay. I'm sorry. Didn't we don't know each other. And your last name is not there. So I have no way of knowing who you are, what your role is here. Well, it's nice to meet you. Okay. Okay.  
Speaker 0     02:22:53    Yes. And could I get your, your name and address  
Speaker 4     02:22:55    Please? Sure. It's Stacy Berger at 2 33. Ellis Parkway is  
Speaker 0     02:23:00    A BDR GDR.  
Speaker 4     02:23:02    Yep. It's right there on the screen.  
Speaker 0     02:23:05    I can't see your name on the screen. Oh,  
Speaker 4     02:23:07    That's interesting. Okay. Yep. It's S T a C I B E R T E R  
Speaker 0     02:23:12    For the court reporter.  
Speaker 4     02:23:14    I'm sorry,  
Speaker 0     02:23:16    Jake. John, the proper spelling.  
Speaker 4     02:23:18    No problem. I'm pretty good for my first name being misspelled. That's fine. FEI, C E R G E R. I were to whatever it was that you said. Yes. I had tried a couple of questions similarly to the nephew. I'm not sure who wants to answer them, but I believe, I don't know where she went.  
Speaker 0     02:23:39    Y'all still here.  
Speaker 4     02:23:41    I'm just trying to find her name. So I'm referring to her correctly. Oh, mid-cycle phone. It's the phone. I'm sorry. I'm not pronouncing that correctly. You said that the, the land use plan was being revised this or revised either this year or it's being reviewed, which was interesting because I, I wonder if you could elaborate on what you know about it since I've asked the town council a number of times about that. And I was told specifically by Councilman pond that it's been updated annually. So I'm wondering if you could elaborate on what you know about our master plan. And if you could tell folks where you lived, since you were very clear about what the character of our community should or shouldn't have, and you've done a lot of work in Monroe, you said, so I'm curious. Do you think Piscataway shouldn't become more like Monroe, less lifeline row or what your professional opinion about what our community ought to look like this?  
Speaker 1     02:24:35    So I've been qualified good evening for the record again, Christine . So I've been qualified as an expert before over 400 plannings or any boards throughout the state. So I've done a lot of work in Monroe. My testimony was not meant to compare or Piscataway or say that you should be like lawn row. It was really, really to demonstrate that the warehouse industry and the parking standards generated associated with them are not unique to Piscataway. So my testimony shouldn't be construed to mean that Piscataway should develop or not develop like another community. So that was the point of that testimony. So I think that answered that question.  
Speaker 4     02:25:10    It doesn't actually, could you elaborate? The question I asked was whether you think in your professional opinion that we should or should not, not what your testimony pretty now.  
Speaker 1     02:25:18    I don't think that any community should try or strive to develop like one or another. In fact, in land use, when the board is evaluating lens applications, the law is very clear that each application has to be evaluated and rise and fall on its own merits. So certainly not only should thank you. Not only should they not compare it to other communities, you shouldn't even compare to other applications. Each case has arrived in fall and make its own proofs. So I think that was one of your questions. I think your other question was where I live on not going to answer that question on the record.  
Speaker 4     02:25:53    So you, you talked about the character of our community and what our community ought to look like or be like. So I'm wondering if you, what you're basing that on  
Speaker 1     02:26:00    My basing that on the land use that's on the ground. And I think your other question was the master fan. I think you had said that the master plan was evaluated every year. That's actually not true. The last time your master plan was reexamined was in 2005 statutorily. It used to be that you have to re-examine the master plan every six years, that was changed to every 10 years. So Piscataway is a little bit beyond the timeframe in which they need to do that. I'm not sure where you got the information that it was reviewed annually. Perhaps what you are talking about is the annual report that the zoning board of adjustment does the governing body. I'm not sure what you were talking about.  
Speaker 4     02:26:42    Oh, I know I asked that at a council meeting because this has come up and th the, the constant need for our community to build warehouses as an economic development driver is something our council and mayor have followed as a political model and economic development model. We're not going to get into politics here. I mean, it's in her question. I asked about that at the, at a council meeting, I was, was informed. And this is why I believe that you swore me in. So in case I gave an opinion, I was told that it was updated annually. So I was curious where you learned that it was being updated now. So if somebody else wants to elaborate about where that process is at a different point, that would be great. But I would, I was wanting to ask Ms.  what she knew, because this is the part of the hearing where we ask people questions, right?  
Speaker 4     02:27:30    So that's what you asked them. And that was my relating to the application. She testified that, that the land use issues, she testified in the hearing just now that the municipal plan was being revised. And so I think it went my, but it is of interest to the board and the public to know that the plan is being with book debt for the first time in 15 years, and that we are seriously delayed. So if we're making zoning decisions based off a plan from 2005, that should, that should, I should have the right to ask that question. And it should be part of the record that we're are okay. My next question is whether anyone has done an economic or rather an environmental justice analysis of the development and, or, and, or cumulative impacts analysis and, and, or decided that we are not required under the new environmental justice law that was passed and signed last month to determine whether or not this is going to have any kind of impact on air quality. Given me my truck coming through a residential area, Mr.  
Speaker 0     02:28:38    Yes, sir. Can you answer that question? I don't even understand that question. I apologize.  
Speaker 4     02:28:43    So are you, are you familiar with mutual fund? Are you familiar with the environmental justice law that was signed by governor Murphy was two weeks ago.  
Speaker 0     02:28:49    The fact that the only laws that govern us are the ones that were in effect at the time of the application being filed. So the answer is, I don't think it has any application to us whatsoever. I don't know what exactly is you asking if there's a particular thing you want to find the compartments not blocked into. We do a test on this. We're testing that I can answer those questions,  
Speaker 4     02:29:10    But I'm asking you if you tested for an environmental impact or accumulated air quality,  
Speaker 0     02:29:14    I don't know if the air quality, I understand what that means. I don't understand what you mean by environmental.  
Speaker 4     02:29:23    I'm sorry. That's how my office talking, but we can take it in two parts. Did you do an, an air quality assessment of what the truck traffic is going to mean for the residents of our community? I guess like Mr. Novack, it's a yes, no question. Or maybe,  
Speaker 0     02:29:43    Yeah.  
Speaker 4     02:29:44    Okay. And so the second question is, did you do any kind of environmental justice analysis of what  
Speaker 0     02:29:50    My comments here is? You're using the word environmental justice analysis. I don't, I don't know what that means. It doesn't have a significance to me, and there's an environmental impact that RDP to meet, to be addressed. And if this board were inclined, don't need to be presented to us. But if the board were inclined to grant this approval, maybe required to grant subject to DEP approval, a DEP is the state agency with jurisdiction over environmental issues. So we are doing whatever the law requires relative to environmental assessments. And you can see things in accordance with the DEP rules and regulations. So if that answers your question, I'm grateful.  
Speaker 4     02:30:28    So that's, that's, that's, I'll take that as a, no, thank you. If it's, I mean, it's a, it's a no, cause we don't know even know what about, so the third and then the third question is maybe for someone else did, did any, I, maybe I misheard this in the beginning, but there was a statement. I thought that this is a better use of this property than the housing that either is supposed to go here or should have gone here. And so I don't know if anybody, if there w if this was originally cited as part of a fair share plan, and if so, did any,  
Speaker 0     02:31:08    He is not part of the fair share plan. I actually knew something about the fact of the matter is this prop property was a result  
Speaker 0     02:31:20    In a gorgeous settling, the meeting, Ms. Berger, please let Mr. Wolfson answered. The question is this property was effectively resolved as a part of a litigation settlement that Rick suggested that 242 units will be instructed on the property with any, to about a hundred thousand square feet of retail. It became apparent because of the sewer situation in, in the Skyway and the length of pipe that would be required to go to, I think Mellow's lane or to satisfy the property became economically unfeasible essentially, and made the property not reasonably adaptable for the purpose for which that settlement was entered into. So the study was undertaken to determine what an inappropriate use would be for the site based upon its location. What was good for what was near Edward neighborhood, what uses it was next to. And this application is in fact, what was the ultimate result of our investigation and our analysis, but because it was neither the system or the underlying zoning or the zoning that was required, that was entered into, by way of the selling agreement, use facts was required, which we bring to the board and the board considered whether or not you satisfied the statutory requirements to entitle us to a, essentially a rezoning or a variance without have approached you and said they determined as you may have heard from Ms.   
Speaker 0     02:32:44    testimony, whether we satisfied with holding the positive and the negative criteria.  
Speaker 4     02:32:48    No, I, I understand the process. I appreciate that. My question was, I appreciate that Mr. Wilson, my question was whether given that this was part of a settlement and that there were  
Speaker 0     02:32:59    Well settlement, it was separate a separate litigation, seven based upon a variance application that was filed in 2016.  
Speaker 4     02:33:08    So there's no housing obligation that comes along with this land if he decided to leave it as is.  
Speaker 0     02:33:13    And perhaps Mr. Conneely correct me if I'm mistaken, is that Piscataway was certified by the court as a compliant plan. It did not include this problem.  
Speaker 4     02:33:22    Right? So then there's, so my follow-up question, if I might, is that the comments I have heard from other people that these are, you know, that this land will then other would be developed for housing of some sort market. The restricted, some other form of housing is not necessarily an automatic given because it's not part of the fair shot settlement. So the town has no obligation to develop on  
Speaker 0     02:33:46    The clock. Well, it has an obligation.  
Speaker 4     02:33:49    I'm not deeply familiar with the obligation. That's not my question. Jim answer  
Speaker 0     02:33:55    Financial contribution was the non-residential construction. If it's approved that financial obligation results in money, they trust fund, which would ultimately be used either,  
Speaker 4     02:34:06    But that's not, that's not my question. So you can answer that. You can, you can enter that in your own testimony if you want, but my question was very specific. So if you could stick to my question, which was whether this affected the air share obligation for the community, our community, it does not.  
Speaker 4     02:34:23    I know I am aware of that. I, I I've been asked about that by other people, but I just wanted to make sure that it was on the record. And as part of the public conversation, there's, this is not like the other warehouse that y'all approve where the fair share housing obligations that shifted. And last but not least, I don't know if there's a time on it on this side of the couple other questions. If there isn't is whether there was any kind of community benefits plan or community benefits, agreement, or commitment from the developer to hire locally, use locally sourced labored to develop the property. And if the management of the warehouses would agree to reporting regularly on job training, job opportunities, make sure to hire some portion of the folks who are working there directly from our community. What if any consideration has been given to that?  
Speaker 0     02:35:14    So, Stacy, we are committed to hire a local Rhode Island, but for the record, I'm sorry, we are committed to Oklahoma hire locally, but obviously it  
Speaker 4     02:35:23    Doesn't mean, I mean, I'm, I'm committed to working out every day, but to pandemic. So who knows, but you know, like what does that mean? Are there actual numbers? What's your training program? What does the  
Speaker 0     02:35:39    Really comparing your workout ethic? To my obligation, to  
Speaker 4     02:35:44    You don't have an office. You don't have a legal obligation. I'm asking what your actual practical implication, what that means.  
Speaker 0     02:35:50    Well, we, we pro signs that say, we're looking for people where you do everything on our website. I'm not sure what else we can do. Are you talking to me? I'm signing for, are you talking about the building of the buildings or the operation of the facility once it's  
Speaker 4     02:36:08    W  
Speaker 0     02:36:09    We don't have any control once it's leased instruction, We have a track record of hiring local people based on our,  
Speaker 4     02:36:20    Okay. Well, what percentage of the people that you hire are scattered away residents or local businesses that provide source material, or  
Speaker 0     02:36:27    They need that information once we hire them and give you the numbers, I would  
Speaker 4     02:36:32    Record the track  
Speaker 0     02:36:34    Record Stacy, if he, if she goes on to answer two seconds.  
Speaker 4     02:36:37    Okay. I understand.  
Speaker 0     02:36:40    Okay. Now you're at, okay. What about a local developer who self perform? Which means every GC, every contractor we have is in-house. And if we can't perform a certain duties, we farm it out and we give preference to locals. I'm not going to tell you to sit here tonight and tell you that everybody who hang sheet rock or does concrete is going to be a Piscataway resident. We offered to everybody and the lowest bidder wins. I can't comment on if I have Ms. X decides that he's going to hire from Minnesota. I don't control over that. I can only do what I can do.  
Speaker 4     02:37:24    So that's your commitment, as you can do what you can do when I,  
Speaker 0     02:37:31    Well, would you like me to deal with you and me going on record and say that every minute on question builds his facility and every employee who works at this facility will come from Piscataway. I can't do it.  
Speaker 4     02:37:42    I didn't ask you to do that. I asked you what your commitment with.  
Speaker 0     02:37:47    I interrupted for a minute, Mr. Oliver, Mr. Oliver, I'm sorry. This is the time for the public to ask questions. And you were to give answers. You're right. Eye. You really should not engage in an argument with the members of the public. I went off, I went off track. I apologize. I have another question.  
Speaker 4     02:38:08    I would like an on the record question tonight. Answer to my question, which I guess is no, you don't have a plan for, or a commitment or an organized way of tracking or reporting. What kind of local hiring and sourcing the developers?  
Speaker 0     02:38:23    The miles, correct?  
Speaker 4     02:38:28    Okay. You can answer yes or no to any of them. Let me take them one  
Speaker 0     02:38:31    At a time that I believe they've answered the questions.  
Speaker 4     02:38:35    Okay. That's that's what I needed to ask. Thank you so much.  
Speaker 0     02:38:41    Or do you see anybody else up there? Yes, there is. The next one is a Darrell Williams. Mr. Williams, could you raise your right hand? Do you swear the testimony you're about to give shall be the truth so help you God, Mr. Williams, I can't hear you. Are you muted? Yes. Yes. Mr. Williams looks on unit to me, Jim. Mr. Williams, did you swear to tell the truth, Mr. Williams, Mr. Williams? I can't hear you. Let me come back to Mr. Williams. DLR. Why don't we put him on hold and move on to another person? Makita. Makita.  
Speaker 5     02:39:28    Yes, that's that's me. I judge. How are you don't know if you remember me or not.  
Speaker 0     02:39:33    I need to swear you in, could you raise your right hand? You spread the testimony you're about to give shall be the truth, so help you God, I do your name and address. And please spell your last name.  
Speaker 5     02:39:42    William Nikita. M I K I T a 20 Woodlake drive, obviously.  
Speaker 0     02:39:49    Thank you. How are we doing tonight?  
Speaker 5     02:39:52    All right. A couple of quick questions. The first question is the w and maybe I'm a little confused on that. On this one. You said that there was a resident 670 feet away from the proposed warehouse. Which side of the roads is it across the street or is it more towards, rather than school?  
Speaker 0     02:40:17    Okay.  
Speaker 5     02:40:18    Isn't that good? Is there any study? And I know, I assume you guys have not least the, the warehouse is out yet, but has there been any study about how many trucks will actually be able to proceed through the area? I mean, I live basically on the bottom. I live on top of what lake, which if you go down is Miller's lane. So if they, if they're going to 18, we're actually basically passing in front of my house. Has there been any study about how many trucks can actually go from the warehouse out, whether to be 2 87 or down towards 18 and the turnpike?  
Speaker 0     02:40:56    Can you answer that question? Yeah, I can. And this is done through the Institute of transportation engineers we've studied and the organization has studied warehouse sites to determine how many trucks are generated in the morning, Keke hour. So over that, let's say 7 30, 8 30 time period. There'll be about nine trucks generated from the site peak hour. There'll be about 11 trucks generated on site. So about one truck, every six minutes or so, we strongly believe that the vast majority of those trucks are heading towards 2 87. So they would be going, you know, worked out at the site, basically just up just the left of the site, heading towards Centennial and then getting on 2 87 at that location there. So I don't think there'll be many of those trucks heading in the southbound direction. Again, I don't think that's the easiest path for a tractor trailer to, to get onto the interstate highway system.  
Speaker 5     02:41:56    Also this last question, I mean, I've, I've worked in warehouses and I've cross-examined engineers and had injury cases regarding warehouses. Have you guys had, do you guys have a plan as to who you're leasing to? Is it going to grow through? Does it's going to be, Dawn is going to be pulling up the paper and you had to get yet.  
Speaker 0     02:42:15    I'm sorry. Can you repeat that question?  
Speaker 5     02:42:17    Any, do you have an idea of who you're going to be leasing it to? I mean, there's, there's various, you know, like food places, you know, it seems to be a little more high traffic and  
Speaker 0     02:42:27    I don't know the answer to that, John or Ron. Yeah. Yeah. This is John Keenan. We don't have any, we don't have any pre-leasing at all. And given the volatility in the market right now, you have to be much closer to the delivery to be able to land tenants at this point. Right.  
Speaker 5     02:42:47    And I apologize the last question, typical lawyer, I'm going to, I always have like three last questions. How long is this going to take the bill?  
Speaker 0     02:42:55    I mean, if we get a billion permanent, how long  
Speaker 5     02:42:59    From today, if you got approved to that, how long would it be operational assuming you, you know, you quickly receive a, got a lease for a resolution from clients,  
Speaker 0     02:43:10    Really show him why with all the other agency, other agents to make sure we're clear on outside agencies on this later on here, I'm sorry. Outside agencies. Honestly, I don't here. Right? I was trying to explain that to, to build it. We can't get a building permit until there's resolution for clients. When we have outside agency approval, I don't know how long that would take, but once there's a building permit, perhaps Mr. Keeney could give you an estimate of, of that. But I think that also depends upon how it failed. We're not going to build it until you have occupied the house. Either project two years point, it'll be 2022. Like thank you. Thanks bill. Thanks, Laura. It looks like Mr. Williams is on. Hi, Mr. Williams. How are you? Can you hear me now? No, you said I can hear you. I need to swear you in. Could you raise your right hand? Yes. You swear the testimony you're about to give shall be the truth, so help you, God, I get your name and address for the record, please.  
Speaker 6     02:44:19    Darryl Williams, 57 Woodlake drive. And I think my question may have been answered while we dealing with the technical difficulties. And the question was for Mr. Sackler, there's a traffic question, which is if there's no traffic light coming out of the warehouse, how are these trucks going to make that left turn to go back towards two 80? I lived directly south of this location. So I assumed that trumps are also going to be going down to 18 as well.  
Speaker 0     02:44:49    Yeah. And again, we've, we've looked at, and one of the things we also utilize as part of this study was we looked at how the traffic is going out of the warehouse in the north of us. That was one of the benefits is that we see an existing site, just the north of us, which way do they go? Do they go north out or do they go south out? And the majority of them go north out. So we do need to make that left turn that you're referring to again, in terms of the sheer numbers of trucks that need to make that left turn. You're talking about one truck, every six minutes that you to make that left turn during the busiest hours. I know that, you know, th this roadway can be congested at times. The one benefit we have is that we have traffic signals located pretty well spaced to the north and south of us.  
Speaker 0     02:45:33    So what we'll generally have is the ability for our vehicles to make the left turn out when the traffic signal either to the south or north is red. And I think that's tends to be the benefit is that we almost have a considered like a de facto signal where when the Mettler's lane signal is red and I do, you know, is red and the right turn traffic, hasn't quite made it up to us in the northbound direction. That's what we're going to be able to have that gap in traffic to let our cars or trucks exit the site. But again, I think that the key aspect here is that the number of trucks we're talking about is, is not that significantly high. You know, you're still going to get one every six or so minutes. So there, those traffic lights turn red often enough, it will be able to kinda use that overlapping time to get out of our site.  
Speaker 0     02:46:26    How many goes shots? Cause I was willing Mr. Williams concerned. Yeah, we'd been estimating about, it's going to be somewhere between a 70, 30 split and an 80 20 split. So either 70 or 80% would be going north and a major would be going south. Again, some of it depends on the tenant. You know, the destination, you are these long trips that are already made or these local trips from, you know, leaving the site. But we do expect most of the long trips to utilize 2 87 or go left, similar to what we see out of the Knox drive development. So the Northwest barrel, anything else or anybody else? Thank you, Mr. William Lauren,  
Speaker 2     02:47:12    There is a Dr. Jackson. He didn't raise his hand, but he was raising his hand.  
Speaker 0     02:47:18    Dr. Jackson, Dr. Jackson, I need to swear you in, could you raise your right hand? Do you swear that the testimony you're about to give should be the truth so help you God? Yes. It is your name and address please. My name is Dan Jackson. I met at three study avenue that closest residence. So we've seen all those pretty pictures early in this evening. That's me first. I'm going to take the time to say thanks to the zoning board. You know, I'm sure you guys have things that you would rather be doing at 10 30 on a Thursday night. And I appreciate the service that you guys provide to our community. It's very much appreciated a couple of questions. My first question is about the water system plan. I'm wondering how the water system plan accounts for the specific factors of this particular environment. For example, the unique characteristics, excuse me, the bedrock composition here.  
Speaker 0     02:48:17    It's the information is very fine grain, very easy to see water contamination, another factor that's probably pretty important for water quality plans. There is an EPA Superfund site within the mile and a half of the proposed project. That's high in volatile, organic compounds. A number of them have been documented in, excuse me, in the environment throughout the area. And I'm wondering if the water plan that's going to be put in place is going to account for a couple of these factors and how they're gonna address them. Mr. Hollenbeck, can you answer that question for Dr. Jackson? Absolutely. Dr. Jackson Jackson, I appreciate that. I'm a little unfamiliar about with someone environment, Fen, environmental concern, certainly this would fall on their New Jersey American water permit for potable water and also in talks to environmental stuff. We obviously are. Self-containing everything we can from stoneware aspect. So we're, we're, we're tapping into the potable water system.  
Speaker 0     02:49:31    That's out there. I met Louis, I'm sorry, south Washington. I'm not sure exactly what your question was about the environment because obviously we're meeting not only Scotland waves, but Jersey stormwater regulations though. So let me elaborate. So this is a, it's a, it's a vulnerable ecosystem, right? The groundwater is very conducive to contamination from PHS and VOC. And so I'm, you know, Stonewall rock. I understand that you guys, you guys have a capture system for that. I'm just wondering how you guys are accounting for, you know, the stuff that comes out of tab, car, exhaust, the stuff that comes out of trucks and it sits on the concrete and then the stormwater washes it away. How are you guys treating and getting rid of those compounds and being sure that they're not getting into these sensitive water environment? Yeah, so we have a, a system installed.  
Speaker 0     02:50:29    I will defer to Craig if necessary, but we have a system installed that meets all the water quality standards and, and the reductions necessary because we are discharging to wetland area. So we have higher standards than, or a normally required on there, the DP and the township regulations. So all of that is taken into account when we do our earning process through the P. Okay. And so are those numbers a part of this? Does the application, do you guys have those numbers disclose? You said they're better than, than the DPS, is that correct? That I am see why, I'm not sure if I said better. I see. Did they meet or exceed the requirements? I don't have those numbers in front of me, certainly something we could submit to the town. Okay. And then my other question, you know, some folks have alluded to a diesel exhaust, so my wife, my wife has asthma and has had it forever.  
Speaker 0     02:51:22    And diesel exhaust is a significant a burden for her. And, you know, is it an impact on her golf, especially, you know, I know we're talking 690 feet or whatever it was that it's not that far, you know, when it comes to diesel exhaust. So my question is for the lady who walked us through, began with land use plan seems to me that, and I'm not sure if the land use plan is a defined thing that the state does or, or what that is, or if it's, you know, kind of a here's the concept, if you will. But it seems to me that the negative human health impacts of this site application shouldn't be a factor in, in the use plan. Would that be correct or, or no? Well, it had to was the municipal master plan, which is sort of a guide of growth in the town, but it's not, it's not what we are proposing.  
Speaker 0     02:52:22    You know, the, the master plan and designated this area is recommended for residential. And there was a residential plan, but it was an, it was 242 units plus a hundred thousand square feet of retail. So I guess the comparison would be between what we're proposing and what was provable under the settlement. I, if you're asking that we, we studied a measure, but the exhaust isn't compared to what otherwise can be done, I'm sure we did not do that. No, I'm asking if the human health impacts of this site have been considered or would be considered as part of this, this land use plan. I'm not familiar with that, but what the land use plan is. So when, when she was reviewing the positives and the negatives, I didn't hear any reference to take human health. And, you know, the folks that live in the neighborhood nearby right related to the fact that we're all governed by the municipal land use law.  
Speaker 0     02:53:18    And that regulates the authority of this board is, and what applications where we can make and what, what is required of us in order to gain an approval from a zoning board way planning board. So we have a development application, which that you've been watching him. That's what we call what we've done. This board is a judicial board. I don't mean to step on the chair where Mr Keeley's exposed, but they act as judges and they decide whether or not based on what we've presented them. And we've satisfied our obligation to obtain the relief that we want and the municipal land use law. If there is no provision for what you've described technical, other than a reference to what is referred to as the negative criteria, meaning no substantial detriment to the public. Good. If you could fill it in that, no substantial detriment to his own planning zone ordinance and Keenan, from our perspective, the word substantial.  
Speaker 0     02:54:15    So that's, that's the extent of what the houses we've done in terms of what she's testified as to the public good. And her view that there was an absence generally speaking in the public, but anything particular about that we measure anticipated diesel fumes, but readily we did not. Okay. I do want to clarify, I do have two more questions. Excuse me. One of them is about the, the treeline. I w I thought I heard someone say that the treeline wouldn't be disturbed there in that field, you know, as far as being able to see the building from my backyard, is that, is that correct? And someone clicked that Ron Jackson, I appreciate that. So obviously there's going to be a true disturbance on a site because it's fully worded. Now the mere fact that the planning that was shown earlier shows that the fact that we're kind of getting away from the building being, you know, parallel till at least at very big gap in that low, the upper left hand corner or Northwest corner that's going to remain as is today.  
Speaker 0     02:55:32    Obviously we have our parking lot. We have to put in, we have certain grading improvements, but for the most part, that that air is going to be untouched. Okay. And, but, but the, the height of the building would surpass the top of the trees. Is that correct? The only the onset Dr. Jackson, I'm not sure what the height of the trees are. I thought that the architect showed an elevation earlier, where he superimposed the warehouse in the background and you couldn't see it from your street. No, sir. The, the picture that he showed, you could clearly see the building from the parking lot. Now there were a lot of trees in the way, but, you know, I can definitely could definitely see the building, you know, from the parking lot, that, that, that, that elevation was from the perspective of the parking lot behind Randolph elementary school.  
Speaker 0     02:56:24    I'm not sure if we can go back to it, but that's why the objection. I'm not going to argue about what the yellow we, we feel because we're proposing on the site, as well as the it landscape is going to remain in place. We feel, you know, it won't be detrimental. And listen, I'm not asking for an argument, sir. I'm just asking for clarification, because someone said that the treeline wouldn't be disrupted, and then there was a picture shown where it is disrupted. So I'm humbling verification. Yeah. Understood. I'm telling you under record in the upper left-hand corner of our site or to, I guess John correctly in Northwest corner. We're not going to disturb that. What about the Southwest corner? Southwest corner has, is in a wasteland. So we're not touching out either. So all, all along the Western side of the site, there will be a tree line that is undisturbed.  
Speaker 0     02:57:18    Is that no, I'm not saying that you're, you're, you're reading more into this. I'm saying what I'm saying is that we have less disturbance on the south west side than we do on the Northwest side. Well then, but that doesn't tell me anything. Cause you can't tell me how much the servants there. So, you know, you've got five more apples than you do oranges that doesn't help me out here. Anyhow, my last question is about groundwater. So we've got a lot of water in this field. I recently put in a channeling events and in doing so, you know, I found the water, the waterline pretty quickly. I'm concerned that all the disruption of the ground behind our house, all the concrete is going to be poured. All the elevation changes that y'all discussed. I'm wondering about the impacts on my property. What happens if I now have a water problem that I have to deal with because of y'all's construction, we have someone speak to that. Well, yeah, first off, if you have any issues you can call me and I'll be having to give you my personal contact information, but we're confident with the plans that P and this design that we're not gonna have any adverse effect on any of the properties south or west of us.  
Speaker 0     02:58:38    You explained to Dr. Jackson, what the requirements are in designing the storm water plan so that he could maybe have a better confidence that what you said is accurate. Sure. And I'm sure he's aware of it. We are required to me not to Piscataway township with the njtp standards, for water adoption and water quality, and we're meeting all those standards. So whatever we do on the site has to be approved, not by township, by DP. So we're confident and I'll, I'll put Sean, our professional engineer on the record here. Just say that at the end of the day, we will have no adverse effects. Age-wise on properties west or south of us.  
Speaker 0     02:59:22    Yeah. I, you know, I, I, I that's, you know, I appreciate that. I guess my point earlier about water quality was just that, you know, saying that you're compliant with DEP standards is all well and good, but you know, that's been the plan in history for pretty much every site that's been built. And then there's an accident that happens. So for me, that's more than a concern. It doesn't sound like y'all really have a plan for, you know, for that kind of stuff. I, I, I, I don't like to argue, but I disagree with you because we do have not only a stormwater plan in place, we have a storm water maintenance plan in place that at the end of the job, it should this board who were filed with the county and were obligated to maintain certain things. So it's the water column. We're a quality unit. We're going to replace filters. That's recorded with the county clerk. We have no have no other obligation and that very well. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you very much, Laura. Hello. My name is put her hand up. Go ahead. And could you raise your right hand me? Yes. Is that your right hand? Okay. Either one, like my name was Susan Wolf. Are you there? Yes. I need to swear you in. My name is Susan Wolfson, man. 1, 1, 1 0 charter street. Okay. Ma'am yes, please. Listen to me. Yes. I'm  
Speaker 7     03:00:59    Trying  
Speaker 0     03:01:00    Please raise your right hand. Yes. Do you swear the testimony you're about to give shall be the truth? Yes. Please ask your questions. Okay.  
Speaker 7     03:01:11    Okay. My name is Susan Wolfson. I live at 1, 1, 1 0 charter street in Piscataway. I'm addressing Mr. Cousin, Doug. It was not really my cousin. I don't think we're related at all.  
Speaker 0     03:01:24    Name is spelled with a G at  
Speaker 7     03:01:25    The end. Yes. None of us are related to anybody else. I know my question is at the, at the beginning of the, of the, this whole thing, it was said that you have 24.5 acres, correct? It's 24, much of that 25 acres. How much of that 25 acres is being covered by the, by the site plan? Do you have any area which is not?  
Speaker 0     03:01:58    Can you estimate the building coverage? Yes. Mr. Wolford? Yes. We're covering just about 70% of the time with the improvement. And 30% of the site will be left green in landscape.  
Speaker 7     03:02:19    Okay. The question is with all the other warehouses that have gone up, they have completely raised all the trees, all everything. Will your site believing things natural?  
Speaker 0     03:02:35    Yeah. Well, we have, we have wet. Yes. We have wetland areas along the south and the west side that we are not disturbing. We have the area in the Northwest corner that is near Dr. Jackson's house. That is also being left undisturbed. That is, you know, significant, you know, 150 or so sheep wide. So yeah, there are significant wooded areas that are going to remain, including along that entire Western back boundary, where we have the gas easement that we talked about at the beginning because of the easement. We really don't disturb a lot in that area.  
Speaker 7     03:03:17    Okay. So this should ameliorate a lot of the fuse and give a space for the wildlife to be, you're not going to drive out all the wildlife and right. Is that correct?  
Speaker 0     03:03:30    Well, w we're not, we're not taking down every tree on the site. So th the wildlife may have different places to go, but I expect some of them will still be there as most of the landscaping that we plant the deer tend to think is a very good food for them. So we'll be working very closely to make sure that we can accommodate them the best we can.  
Speaker 7     03:03:54    Okay. I would like to make a, to the zoning board that any time a large parcel of land was proposed for development, whatever the use of percentage of the acreage be left wooded and in its natural state. I think that this getaway being turned into a like Edison, basically, which is all factories and everything else. If we could leave part of the land, I think that a lot of the objection that the citizens have will, will disappear.  
Speaker 0     03:04:27    Thank you for your input. Ma'am appreciate what you're saying. Take care. And Laura, we asked someone else  
Speaker 2     03:04:38    What people are physically raising their hands, but they need to raise their hands on the zoom. So that way I could see you waving your hand. I can't see everybody guys. There you go, Mr. Craig, I'm going to say you're wrong. A U M a C K.  
Speaker 0     03:05:01    Yeah. I Craig omega-3 lake park drive. Raise your right hand. You swear the testimony you're about to give shall be the truth. So help me do, thank you. I have a few questions. Is this the first appearance of this matter before the zoning board on this application? Yes. Okay. And the previous application was on with the mixed retail residential, right? Correct. Yes. Okay. Currently the site is zoned R one, which is from what I've picked up is one acre plots, residential minimum, one acre. That's correct. And is it to summarize it's the applicants position that that's not sustainable or practical because of the site conditions, which include wetlands and wouldn't be conducive to residential development there without speaking for the applicant. And Mr. Wilson can certainly address this. I believe that their reticence based upon BD, a sewer extension, sanitary sewer storm sewer, true. Sure. The length of time, like the pipe that would have to be made to connect up the member's lane becomes prohibitive.  
Speaker 0     03:06:22    And also the other arguments that were raised by Mr. Phone, which are part of the record that this property is particularly suitable for issues. Understood. So it's the sanitary sewer. So the nearest lift station is too far to connect to. It's not as cost prohibitive for residential development because he asked the question makes it economically unfeasible makes the property, not reasonably that who for those uses, or frankly, without a great deal of difficulty, the settlement agreement as well to speak to the storm water runoff handling. I know you're, you're someone gave testimony and re in regards to how storm water runoff was going to be processed. They pointed to some area in the map to there's going to be processing before it was discharged. What I'm into assuming it was until they Nelson. Can you speak more about what processing is it just the oil water separator, or is there some other processing that's going to go on onsite there, if that stormwater runoff Ron.  
Speaker 0     03:07:27    Yeah. So the process is we're required on the of township and the DEP regulations. So there's still a water quality unit prior discharge into any open water surface. That's where we are proposing. What's a water. Can you explain a water quality? And I'm not familiar with what that involves? Sure. It can be. There are several that are approved by the DUP can be a situation where it's a filtration system or a different system that requires to meet the required reductions and the TSS, which is total suspended side. All right. So it was mostly a sediment remover, not necessarily a chemical treatment or oil oil remove. No, th that's incorrect bolts treats with sediment, oil and trash. Okay.  
Speaker 0     03:08:21    The, and that all of that storm water will be discharged. Will that go to the retention basin at the corner of Mettler's and south Washington that the county installed with the road improvements? A few years ago, we are discharging directly into wetlands. And that's what part of our wetlands permit, or it goes up the land after that. I'm not sure maybe Craig knows, but, or John, I'm not sure, but we're discharging direct, cleans at wetlands as part of our permit with the DP. Oh, okay. So it will be so all of the warm water collected on your parking lots and your rooftop will be discharged after treatment on site to the wetlands on the property, on the site or on Twitter adjacent property, it would be treated in accordance with DUP regulation and onsite. So onto the white lands, that is part of this, this site.  
Speaker 0     03:09:26    Correct. And in regards to the side, I haven't seen the, the dramatics I belong south Washington. Ed is this site adjacent to the restaurant, which is now the, the Kings joint, or is there another lot between the king joint restaurant and this particular site? There are several lots between us and I'm still forever call it, try rounds. It's like the, there are several lots, there's a large residential portion Jackson to us, to the south that I know it's been a market for years and has not moved. And then there might be one or two little straggler lots before you get to Charlie rounds. All right. Are those lots also owned by Eminem Realty or a subsidiary or associated owner or are they owned by a completely different it's us negative? So those lights, those lots may also be in the future developed at some time as well then.  
Speaker 0     03:10:35    Yeah. I can't speak for other other lots. I understand. I was asking the zoning board, man, mostly the high tension easement on the property. Will any of the buildings beyond your neath? The high 10, the current high tension lines there? No. No. Alright. So where years ago, one of those, I think that was a 350 kilowatt lines. I think one of them broke. So we were definitely broke. We had a fire there and they installed basically a support beam underneath in between two of the towers. Will that remain or will that, will that be replaced? Will they rerun those wires? Okay. That totally up JCP now, not under my control, but that's going to have a post in the middle of your site though. Is that your site? No, sir. I have an existing tower in my site, in the middle of a site. I'm not changing it. I don't have to steel tower though. It's still it's she it's a tower. Yes. There's a Woodstock. There's a wood support system for that high voltage line, right? The probably not on your property, correct. Thank you, John. All right. The architectural renderings that you showed earlier, I was confused. The one drawing showed no trucks whatsoever. It was all passenger cars. Is this going to be a passenger car facility or no?   
Speaker 0     03:12:12    no. Well, we did was we internalize the truck work. So the truck court is in between the two buildings and the walls that face south Washington, as well as face. The residences to the west are only passenger vehicles to the truck trucks off the road lanes on the architectural renderings. So there, it appears that from the architectural drawings that the renderings of the street scenes, that there's going to be no truck traffic. I didn't see a single truck on also that, that road, that Craig, just to, to, to your point, let me answer one question at a time before you go off. Okay. What Mr. Platt had shown was a random room in front of the front. And as John also testified earlier, was the parking lot in front, his office parking eliminate. That's all he said, well, there's no trucks there, correct? Right. But it was a street scene of it appeared to be traffic. I'm guessing it was supposed to be south Washington avenue. Is that correct? Is the architect able to two things that the architect showed you? One was a perspective from the corner, which again was just an artist's rendition of what the building looked like. And you see that again? Is that possible? No. Sure.  
Speaker 0     03:13:33    Can you put that back up? Because the other question I have about those drawings where the one drawing seemed to show, I don't know if it was, it was supposed to be a picture from the parking lot or was supposed to be a picture from the street, but it showed it a roadway with no markings. I mean, not so that's a four lane and essentially a high speed roadway. I understand the traffic of speed limits only 45 miles an hour. I I'm out at that side approximately an hour a day. I walked down to Centennial avenue back cars regularly exceed 60, 70, 80 miles an hour on that stretch of road. So I, I think it's disingenuous if that's supposed to be, this is the time for questions I'm asking. Is that supposed to be south Washington avenue in that, in the rendering? That's a fair question.  
Speaker 0     03:14:25    Yeah. The brand new universe shown was elevation from south Washington. Now it didn't show on the left-hand side of the rendering. It didn't show up Washington avenue. It showed the site. This is what you're going to see. Which one is your office? Parking in the building? Not going to laugh because it was drawn to that. Detailed the picture with the car driving past. That was that's that's the office parking in front, supposedly. Okay. That was the office parking in front that didn't represent Washington avenue or there were cars driving in it. I think it was what it was cars going through a dry vile. It gets. Oh, so that was the parking lot. Not south Washington ed. Correct. That's my question is what, what was that driving area? Both to represent? It was a drive aisle in front of our building. I understand. So that's a parking lot drive now.  
Speaker 0     03:15:18    Okay. Correct. That's the different than the answer I just got a moment ago, but, okay. So that clarifies that. Thank you. You mentioned, I think Mr. Was it Mr. Sackler mentioned that the second left turn lane was eliminated onto south Washington avenue from the parking lot. We'll likely keep the pavement and straight, you know, hatch it out so that the trucks could still make turns. Right. I'm going to turn lane there. Correct. All right. And regardless county involvement. Can you speak again to the traffic light situation? That's going to come later? No, I'll do that. It's a county road. Doug Wilson speaking out of the county has exclusive jurisdiction over whether and to what extent to put traffic lights, correct. Based upon the bureau that submitted in conjunction with our application, you have to make an application to the county planning board, just justice. We did was zoning board here and they will review it and they will say, Hey, you need a traffic light or Hey, you need to wide that road where no, your dog.  
Speaker 0     03:16:22    So whatever they say, unfortunately we are required to do so. And they won't, they won't allow a traffic light. It's the wires being the level of traffic under their standards. And they will require it if it does. I understand now, just in terms of timeline, does that review and approval from the county or disapproval as it may be come after the township zoning board, either approves or is not, they run into the run on independent tracks. And if in fact the zoning board were to grant approval here, they would be required to make it subject to the county, approving the same or substantially similar plan. If the county changed something, which they would have a right to do, we would have to come back to the chairman and Mr. Familia and the board to show them the changes to make sure that they were still okay with that.  
Speaker 0     03:17:15    Alright. Is there any possibility of combining my main concern here is that that's going to be a left turn lane and there's going to be no traffic light is going to be a death trap. So is there any, has there been any consideration given to combining your outflow traffic onto south Washington that left turn with Knox drive since you are in adjacent property, John, you or me where you want to I'll do it not as, not as part of this application, we did speak to them as part of the prior application and the property owner did not have any interest at that time, but we have not reached out to them on this application. We are going to get to the county and see what they said. I understand is this warehouse going to be a 24 hour operation?  
Speaker 0     03:18:10    Well, we have a suite we've grown. We do not, we do not know who the tenants are, but we are not expecting any restrictions on operations, consistent with other warehouses in town. And it may be difficult to answer it because you don't have your tenants set, but you have an estimate of the number of permanent jobs created at this location. No, none. Okay. And there's a zoning board in general. Can do they have any information available about warehouse occupancy rates in the township currently? Is that something that's only board can answer is zoning board does not have that information. We weight each application on its own merits. I understand. And I don't know if you can clarify for me also, if this warehouse is constructed, it's per you know, the zoning is, is changed. The warehouse is constructed and then does not secure a tenant for whatever reason does that.  
Speaker 0     03:19:10    Then property remain on the tax rolls and generates, and the tracks on the tax rolls now. Well, right, but does it remain on the tax rolls to the full extent that we generate property tax? Well, the rest of the stuff we want somebody who's telling us the best use, I say, well, well, Doug, I think Isaiah and Craig correct me if I'm wrong. I think will, Craig is asking, is if we secure an approved from the zoning board for this warehouse, in fact, we can't lease it for six or nine months or 12 months, does the taxes reflect, choose any answer is no, I understand.  
Speaker 0     03:19:56    Well, I think Craig Craig was out. Was that your question? Yes. Mr. Oland dark. Yes, we haven't reached the witching hour. I cannot, I cannot take further testimony after 11:00 PM. Okay. Mr. Chairman, I believe Mr. Almac has two more questions. We may want to listen to those. So we they're quick ones. Ah, do we have a count of number of trees that will be lost, will be removed from the site? We do not, but we can provide that. Okay. Well, my last question is, has the site been assessed for any existence in Vernal ponds? Yes it's.   
Speaker 0     03:20:35    yeah, we have, we have LOI for the wetlands that are onsite and there is a Vernon pools or any special habitat. Is that okay? Thank you. Thank you for all your answers. And again, that's our point of view, Mr. Aman, for any other members of the public that have questions, the zoning board finishes their deliberations at 11 o'clock. So we are going to pick a new date for this application. So when the application presumes, we will resume with the rest of your questions. Following your questions will be the time for any member of the public to give a testimony for or against the application and present any evidence that you have for or against the application. It is my understanding that the applicant has concluded their presentation. And now is the time for the public. Mr. Conneely. If I can ask a question, is there a way to get a, a for lack of better words, straw vote for number of public that still need interact? So we have an idea of what we're up against. It would be improper for me to ask the board for a straw vote before the public has had an opportunity to weigh in. I'm sorry, can I maybe Ms. Swell, it's an idea of how many residents are out there that still have questions. Is it one, is it 10?  
Speaker 2     03:22:06    And as of right now, I only have one person with their hands raised. Now that Mr. Fauci is back. So now we're back to two,  
Speaker 0     03:22:17    But that was my whole point. Mr. Fanelli is that if there's only one resident, I understand, excuse me. Unfortunately, we, I, we, we spoke to the public a couple of minutes ago. A lot of people might've turned off their computers and gone to bed. Like I wish I could. So the one or two that still remained a man, but not be indicative of the full amount of, of residents that were out today. I appreciate that. And that's not a problem. Let's adjourn this and we'll settle it up during this. We need to pick a new day. Yes. Mr. Wolves. Yes, sir. When you're looking to return to the port, as soon as possible, like a special meeting, if you can't do that, whenever your next meeting date is, it is well, and in light of the Thanksgiving holiday, there's not going to be a special meeting before our next meeting. Okay. I understand our next meeting agenda is fairly full. Ms. Buckley,  
Speaker 2     03:23:17    Very, very, very, very, very full, like another 11, 12 o'clock or  
Speaker 0     03:23:23    What's left of our application is as much we're done. So Mr. Wilson, if you were to go on to December 10th, you would be last on an agenda that we think is already going to reach 11 o'clock or an application starting to carry over to the bottom of the list instead of the top. Yes, Mr. Keneally, if I can, I would I refer to take the December date and if we don't get her, we don't get her.  
Speaker 2     03:23:58    And then the date after that would be January 28th, I believe  
Speaker 0     03:24:04    I defer to you or, okay. So if the applicant would like to go to December 10th with the understanding that they may not be heard, but we will do that. So anyone that is here on this application of M and M Realty married the December 10th, 2020 with no further notice by the applicant. The only notice you're receiving is my announcement here tonight. Okay,  
Speaker 2     03:24:30    Mr.  just for the public knows two days prior to the hearing, the zoom information is on the Piscataway township website. So you can go on there and find the past codes and the ID to get back on the meeting.  
Speaker 0     03:24:42    Zoom in further. Yeah. Every  
Speaker 2     03:24:43    Meeting has a different zoom information. So you will be on the website two days prior to the Gary.  
Speaker 0     03:24:48    Thank you, Laura. Jim, can I ask you a question if we don't get reached on the 10th and we go and get kicked back to the, what would you say was  
Speaker 2     03:24:57    January,  
Speaker 0     03:24:59    January 28th. We lasted that day to  
Speaker 2     03:25:03    Right now that one's open. So right now you're looking at number one  
Speaker 8     03:25:10    And a bar. The initial speaking out of time. I am a member of the public.  
Speaker 0     03:25:16    Hold on, hold on, sir. Hold on Mr. Cahill. Yes, it is up to you. Whether or not you want to, but whether or not you want to entertain comments from the poem.  
Speaker 8     03:25:34    This is not a comment. This is just a question. Are they going to be last on that next time? So we can dial in at the last minute you don't ever die. The next 17th in the evening, we also have lights dice. Yes,  
Speaker 0     03:25:47    You should. You should check in with the zoning board on the day of the meeting or the day before the meeting to see where they are on the agenda.  
Speaker 8     03:25:56    Why can't you say that? You know, I enjoy being a member of the public, right.  
Speaker 0     03:26:01    Changes occur. So you need to check in and daily for,  
Speaker 8     03:26:06    I mean, I don't understand why you have to take such a stern, told it to a simple question. And  
Speaker 0     03:26:11    I'm talking, you were talking well, he was trying to talk. I think that's the case. We'll we'll see you on December 10th. Alright, so we got a date. Oh, further notice needs to be so out by us. That is correct. 12, 10. We on the backend of the museum. Okay. It's your chairman. Thank you to you and your board members. I appreciate it. Have a good night. Thank you, sir. I appreciate it. No problem guys much. Thank you so much. Have a great night. He's probably asleep. Oh no, he's smiling. He's thinking of how he embarrassed me. Let's move on The agenda. I see that. Let's move on guys. Number 12. Is that the motion of the possible adoption? 20, 21 calendar. Do we have to vote on it? Yes. Yes. Okay.  
Speaker 2     03:27:15    We need a motion.  
Speaker 0     03:27:17    I need to be here. All right. I'll make a motion. I will make a motion to approve second.  
Speaker 2     03:27:24    Okay, Roy got second.  
Speaker 0     03:27:26    Okay. Well the call  
Speaker 2     03:27:31    Mr. Weissman, Mr. Zimmerman, Mr. Patel and chairman Cahill.  
Speaker 0     03:27:38    Yes. I don't remember 13 it's option of resolution from the regular meeting of September 24th, 2020. That is all for the safety. Okay. What about number 14? That is on for the season, but the option of resolutions from the regular meeting, October 22nd, 2020, a first resolution is star hotels application for a temporary use permit, which was approved. Mr. Tillery. He's not here. He's going to start a Reggio. Yes. Zimmerman. Yes. The Weitzman. Yes. Mr. Patel. Yes. Chairman Kate hill. Yes. Next is Francis Parker. Memorial home application for a generator. Mr. Reggio? Yes. Zimmerman. Yes. Mr. Weissman? Yes. Mr. Patel? Yes. Harriman cable. Yes. Next is the application of James Livingston. This is a application that was denied by the board. Mr. Al Reggio? Yes. Was cinnamon. Yes. Mr. Weitzman? Yes. Mr. Patel? Yes. Cahill. Yes. Those are all the resolutions that I have about 15 and adoption of minutes from the regular meeting of October 22nd, 2020. Thank you. Do we get a second? Okay. All those in favor, say aye. Aye. Okay. Can we get the German, German listening across the finish line? You thank you, Tim. I had, especially from what the bottom line are you guys, you really, it took one for the team and I really appreciate it. Everyone have a great night and we'll see you in a couple of minutes. One Thanksgiving night.  
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Minutes for Piscataway Zoning meeting on November 12 2020