Transcript for Piscataway Zoning meeting on September 24 2020

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Speaker 0     00:00:00    Will please come to order. Adequate notice of this meeting was provided in the following ways. Notice published in the career news notice posted on the bulletin board of the municipal building notice made available to the township clerk, noticing to the courier news and the Star-Ledger will the clerk please call the roll.  
Speaker 1     00:00:18    Mr. Taylor, Mr. O'Reggio. Mr. Weissman, Mr. Zimmerman, Mr. Patel and Mr. K hill.  
Speaker 0     00:00:33    Yeah. Well, everyone please rise and salute to the flag, please. I pledge allegiance to the United States of America Republic.  
Speaker 0     00:01:07    At this time, I'd like to open up nominations for the chairperson, for the Piscataway joining boards. I  
Speaker 1     00:01:23    Think Warren froze.  
Speaker 0     00:01:25    Yep. I heard someone speaking, but I could not understand them. They repeated please. Yes, this is Warren Zimmerman. Can you hear me? Yes, I can now make your nomination. I would like to nominate Sean Cahill for the boast of Jeremy. I will second that CYC. Are there any other nominations for chairperson of the zoning board? Nominations are closed. Could you please call the roll since we have a motion in this,  
Speaker 1     00:01:59    Mr. . Yes. Mr. O'Reggio. Mr. Weissman, Mr. Zimmerman and Mr. Patel. Yeah.  
Speaker 0     00:02:12    Mr. Chairman, your meeting. Congratulations. Thank you for your competence, gentlemen and lady. The next item on the agenda is a public portion. We have, we have little pinky for me. Well, before we do that, I believe we have a member of the public that wishes to be heard.  
Speaker 2     00:02:39    Mr. Chairman, Mr. Chairman, board members, Jim Clark in here. I'm calling in because I wanted to congratulate Sean Cahill. I'm being elected as the new chairman of the board, as probably you all know he's going to retain his position as a secretary of the board. I've known Sean for more than 20 years. And I can certainly tell you that. I know he has a headache enough to handle both positions and wear both hats for you, but seriously showing my congratulations. I'm sure you'll do a great job. I'd also want the board to know that if sometime in the near future, the council is going to recognize and honor Al Blackish for his service. And finally, on the 29th of September, the council will consider a resolution to appoint Warren as a permanent member of the board, as opposed to being an alternate and this way he can be considered at the next meeting for the position of vice chair. And that's all. Thank you. Mr.. Thank you. Mr. Clark is a prepaid debit. Nice night. You can take care. Thank you, Jim.  
Speaker 0     00:03:59    Mr. Chairman, we do have several changes to the agenda. If you would like me to go through those. I  
Speaker 2     00:04:04    Appreciate that. Thank you, sir.  
Speaker 0     00:04:06    The item number 10 19 days, CB 69 video games, Livingston that is postponed until October 22nd, 2020. They must notice item number 11, Francis Parker, Memorial home, October 22nd, 2020 Laura. Have they noticed?  
Speaker 1     00:04:27    Oh yes, they have noticed Mr. Kinneally so no  
Speaker 0     00:04:32    That's required necessary for Francis Parker, Memorial home. Those are all the changes that I asked.  
Speaker 2     00:04:41    Okay, let's go to, I have number 7, 2 0 dash DB dash four three D Kevin Urick.  
Speaker 0     00:04:53    It was Mr. York present. Laura, do you see the applicant? Yes,  
Speaker 1     00:04:59    He's here. He needs to unmute. Yes,  
Speaker 0     00:05:03    I could. I have the correct pronunciation of your last name. Yuric you're Mr. York, could you raise your right hand? I need you to swear you in. You swear the testimony you're about to give shall be the truth, so help you God, I do your name and address please. Kevin  
Speaker 2     00:05:18    Urick 25 Desmond street, Piscataway  
Speaker 0     00:05:21    New Jersey. Thank you. Could you explain to the board what you'd like to do here?  
Speaker 2     00:05:25    So I'd like to install a six foot privacy fence. The first foot, top foot would be lattice work like the habit installed on the front of my house, along the side street de avenue, being a corner lot. Almost all of my property is visible to the public. And so by being able to put this in, I'd be able to use a 25% of my side property on day avenue. I submitted some site plans. I submitted some, I got some feedback I just was trying to, if I'd be able to obtain a specific direction from the board this evening. And that's basically that small high level view of what I'm trying to do.  
Speaker 0     00:06:14    Thank you. Well, it may be appropriate to talk to Mr. Hinterstein about his report, Mr. Chairman.  
Speaker 3     00:06:22    Yeah. Mr. Chairman. Yeah, the, the issue with the fence really is the setbacks are just, they have two fronts here. So the problem was that the application as originally submitted was in the same triangle, which we never allow for safety reasons. So that was the one issue. The other issue is that we always typically request that the property owners move the fence. So I'd say at least the minimum of 10, 6, 15 feet off of the property lines. So it doesn't impact the site corridor of the, of the road, as well as any neighboring driveways that may exist on the adjacent properties. That being said, I did mark up a, a survey that showed a relocated fence. I'm not sure if Laura had sent that off to Mr. Urick, but it basically shows the fence along the front of the house and then follows the, the site triangle and then continues down day avenue on the side of his property. But it's 10 feet off of the right of way line or property line. So maintaining the 20 foot offset from the curb, which would keep again the, the site corridor, at least keep it a little bit visible and also not impact the site. So that's the compromise there. You niche would require it actually to be 25 feet. I believe off the property line in this zone. So we're requesting, Ted's like, agreed. That's a good compromise. Both the applicant and the township and for safety.  
Speaker 2     00:08:14    I have not seen that proposal, but basically if I'm understanding your description, you're indicating that for a portion of the front of my house, it would be paralleled to desert avenue, then have to go on a 45 degree angle for some period of time, until it reaches the 10 foot off the property line part. At that point, it would go parallel today. Avenue is my understanding, correct? Correct. Cause I really don't ever have never seen any property whatsoever of a 45 degree angle out a corner.  
Speaker 0     00:08:48    Well, you don't have to go with the 45 degree angle. You could just set the entire defense back  
Speaker 2     00:08:54    Out of the sight triangle. Okay. The bite bite through though, it's giving you more fence area. So what you're saying is any, if I wanted to have a corner, a 90 degree angle, it would have to be somewhere touching that, that 45 degree line,  
Speaker 3     00:09:12    Correct. He's escaped all over the site triangle,  
Speaker 2     00:09:16    Right? So  
Speaker 3     00:09:18    Where, where that 10 foot offset is, where it hits the site triangle. As Mr. Kinneally stated you could set back the front of the front fence and keep it parallel with Desmond street, it would just maybe be 10 feet further back than the front of the house.  
Speaker 2     00:09:31    Right? Right. Understood. Understood. If I could possibly only for installation benefit and not to have to go back and forth and have misunderstandings. I want to make sure I clearly install whatever I do install since it's going to be in concrete. I don't want to have to have the contractors lifted. If I can have a certain footage off my house foundation, as opposed to my property license, my property line is not clearly indicated. I do have curves on day avenue, full curves, but I wouldn't, it would be much easier to calculate and more accurate. I wouldn't want to certainly go beyond what's been recommended, but at the same time, I wouldn't want to shortchange myself of any privacy land area.  
Speaker 3     00:10:22    Well, you could do the math. The survey is there. If it has an offset to the house has an offset from de avenue property line. You could deduct 10 feet from that. And that basically tells you what you can go from the house. So  
Speaker 2     00:10:37    I don't, I don't see him. I don't, I, on the, on the survey, I don't have take Diller marker on my, I have 13 feet of grass between where I want to put the fence and where the curve is. And that's a lot of wiggle room trying to find out where my property line,  
Speaker 3     00:10:55    I believe your, your side yard setback is 25. I drew over a mark on this particular survey, but it looks like somebody wrote in blue on this. And it said 25.7 feet.  
Speaker 2     00:11:07    That's what the survey that's the survey indicated would be the size of my, that portion of my lot. And my lot's broken into four sections. That lot size is 25 7. That not from my house. That's just a lot size.  
Speaker 3     00:11:25    Yeah. It fell out 25 and perhaps it's you'd have scale it, but I don't believe this, this drawing was to scale. So if you have a scale drawing, figure that out by just using a scale. I mean, if you provide me with the scale survey, I could figure that out for you.  
Speaker 2     00:11:41    But then it says one inch for 20 feet on, on the survey  
Speaker 3     00:11:47    Was 20 feet  
Speaker 2     00:11:48    On the survey on the survey. It says one inch equals 20  
Speaker 3     00:11:50    Feet, but it doesn't match up with the one that I had. So  
Speaker 2     00:11:55    It's a, it's a copy of what I  
Speaker 3     00:11:57    Have to conduct during the copy process. It was distorted. So it didn't check out. You have,  
Speaker 2     00:12:04    And be that I gave, I checked and I was just like, I have show in here on the top portion, one inch, 20 feet. I'm not trying, I'm not trying to, I'm just saying that it's there. My bottom line is it's going to help my contractors to know where to put the fence. If I can get indicators, how far from my house, if possible.  
Speaker 3     00:12:25    Well, all we can give you is the variances to the property line. So I think you, your contractor, your surveyor, if you hire one, you're going to have to figure out where that location is based on where the property line is. We can all work with property lines, not, not the house and say, well, you could put the fence 50. I can give you approximately where we have to work with the property line. That's the, the legal line. That's the right away  
Speaker 2     00:12:52    Work off the property line would appreciate an estimate photo, what I'm trying to make sure or make sure that it's not going to happen is when I get that put in and I get it inspected that I'm not told it's beyond what I was approved for. That's what I'm trying to  
Speaker 3     00:13:10    Curb line  
Speaker 2     00:13:11    In front of your house. I do on the side, on the street that we're talking about,  
Speaker 3     00:13:15    Right? So if there's a curve line day avenue, typically the curb is 10 feet off of the property line. The face  
Speaker 2     00:13:21    Is that  
Speaker 3     00:13:24    Right? So if you go 20 feet back from the curb line, you should be 10 feet off of the property line.  
Speaker 2     00:13:30    Okay. 20 feet off the off the curb line is this the career I'll, I'll have it within the 45 degree angle, wherever my 90 degree corner will be.  
Speaker 3     00:13:41    Right. You just got to determine your side triangle and you know how to determine the site title.  
Speaker 2     00:13:47    No, I'm basically I haven't a clue. Okay. Do you have a feeder and population from the corner curb?  
Speaker 3     00:13:54    It's basically the center line of both roads where the center lines of both roads intersect 90 feet in each direction. And then the line connecting those two points in your site training.  
Speaker 2     00:14:09    So 90 feet from center of the road to the other center of the road. And then the other way,  
Speaker 3     00:14:15    Right? If you stood in the center of desert or desert and the center of both roads and intersects, you would go 90 feet in each direction and where those two points met up, that would be decided training. But again, again, if I had a scale drawing, I can give you an approximation of where that would be, but I just don't have it on me right now.  
Speaker 2     00:14:36    Understood, understood. I, I was hoping for, I appreciate your leaning. See, on the 25 to 10, it goes in line with a number of other variances that I've seen approve. I have to say I'm a little disappointed though, because there's an awful lot of fences that certainly are not along with all of this. And like I said, being that I have 13 feet of grass space where I was originally going to put it, that's a lot of unused land. And I was hoping to try to get a little bit more out of that possible placing a fence in the sight. Triangle is a danger to the motoring public unfit. I respect that. I respect that there, there is, there is some, a couple of blocks away from me and I have some neighbors who have put it's it's it's, it's a shame that a lot of the residents don't go through this process. That's all. And I appreciate your time and I appreciate your feedback. And I look forward to receiving that markup that you made from Laura. Well, I have to submit a new fence permit with this as well. Okay.  
Speaker 3     00:16:00    You may have to just mark up a new plan that mimics something similar to what  
Speaker 1     00:16:06    He does have to get a zoning permit. Yes.  
Speaker 3     00:16:08    Right. I don't know if he submitted one. It was denied item.  
Speaker 1     00:16:11    Yes. If it was denied to now, he does. Once he gets his own solution, he will have to go for a new apartment.  
Speaker 3     00:16:18    Correct.  
Speaker 2     00:16:20    We'll have to pay for a new crime. Yes.  
Speaker 1     00:16:23    Okay. It has to get reprocessed.  
Speaker 2     00:16:26    Oh, I missed the, I just didn't know. I wasn't aware of things like sight triangles and stuff when I was trying to go into it. So I didn't realize I was going to get charged another fee for another. So that's okay. Mr. Eric, thank you for your testimony. And we can only apologize for the other residents that don't follow the process that you are following tonight. And I thank you for and hearing the township ordinance. If I can understand correctly, there's no issue with me putting my fence on the other side of my house being flushed. Correct. And there was the only, the only thing that was raised was day avenue there wasn't I haven't been having a bit of a fence put on my other side. That'll be parallel with the front of my house. That's okay.  
Speaker 3     00:17:14    No, well you're, that would be, is to be forced. We don't, I don't have a problem. It's a variant, but you, you, that we were giving you that marriage so that the fence is flush with the front of your house because your house is already encroaching into the front yard setback by.  
Speaker 2     00:17:30    Right.  
Speaker 3     00:17:31    So again, but it's logical that if you wanted to put it to Jake, you know, basically project the front of your house, I don't have a big issue with it. It's, it's a variance, but it's a logical variance and it's only two feet or so. So I know it's  
Speaker 2     00:17:47    Not an issue with that, but that was all in this package. So my plan that's also, that's approved as well. Everything is as  
Speaker 0     00:17:54    If the board votes in the affirmative, that will be covered.  
Speaker 2     00:17:57    Excellent. And as far as the side, I mean the side and the back, I have to understand that we can put a fence on our property line or it has to be a foot off our property line.  
Speaker 3     00:18:13    My suggestion would be that it's just slightly off. I don't think we have an ordinance in town that states it has to be off by any particular dimension. Okay. I would just, you know, if, unless you have corner markers on your property, I would just push it on the air on the side of caution, because you crossed the line because you want it to be too perfectly. They'd be on a neighboring awkward. And that would be my only concern. So whatever you feel comfortable with making sure that it falls within.  
Speaker 2     00:18:42    Yeah. Well, most of them are both neighbors have fences, so I just found probably a foot or two off.  
Speaker 3     00:18:48    Yeah. That should be up to you. Yeah. We don't have a minimum.  
Speaker 2     00:18:52    Okay. Sounds good. Okay. Can I open it? The boat?  
Speaker 0     00:18:59    Okay. So if no board members have any questions, then it's appropriate to open it to the public.  
Speaker 2     00:19:05    Are there any board members with any question with here or about this application? I have no other, no other questions. I'll admit a new application and a new third. Once I get the marked up one from Laura, I'll be able to do that. Okay. Let's hear from the public, anyone in the public have any questions about this application or make a statement?  
Speaker 0     00:19:35    Now this will be called comments.  
Speaker 2     00:19:39    Sorry.  
Speaker 1     00:19:41    I don't see anyone Chairman. So no one Chairman  
Speaker 2     00:19:45    Damn, none of the closes eyes, a good application with proper a   
Speaker 0     00:20:01    Approved as amended.  
Speaker 2     00:20:04    The steep Y has been. I'll make the motion to prove as event and I'll pack it as I hear Mr. White form. And secondly, by Mr. Zimmerman, you get a call. Laura, can we get them  
Speaker 1     00:20:22    Cool, Mr. Tillery?  
Speaker 2     00:20:28    Yes.  
Speaker 1     00:20:30    Mr. O'Reggio. Mr. Weitzman, Mr. Zimmerman, Mr. Patel and Chairman Cato.  
Speaker 2     00:20:39    Yeah.  
Speaker 0     00:20:41    Mr. Urick your application has been approved as a Indian to comply with Mr. Hinterstein requirements. This be memorialized in a written document at our next meeting in a couple of weeks. You don't need to be here for that. We will mail a copy of that to you, but you'll need that document to get your permit.  
Speaker 2     00:20:58    I'll have to wait till the next meeting. Two more weeks to be able to say I permit. Yes. Okay. Thank you very much for your time. Good luck with your evening to item number eight 20 deaths. Could we be there would be a re  
Speaker 4     00:21:27    Yes. Good to yourself.  
Speaker 0     00:21:33    I need to swear you in. Could you raise your right hand? You swear the testimony you're about to give shall be the truth, so help you God. Could you give us, tell us what you would like the board to approve tonight?  
Speaker 4     00:21:45    These, we don't want to put a six foot privacy vinyl fence along my backyard was faces Hayford street. From my understanding, this is a utilized road. The purpose of this fence would be added privacy and security for my small children.  
Speaker 0     00:22:06    I don't know if the board has had an opportunity to review Mr. Hinterstein report, but Mr. Hinterstein, perhaps you can tell the board what your comments are.  
Speaker 3     00:22:16    Let's see here, take this report was done a while ago. So this generics is a minimal in nature. I don't see any issues with the proposed existing shed and the post six foot solid fence. I really don't see that having an impact on the surrounding properties. Again, it's more of a technicality since the dead end of Payford after you is really more of a paper street, maybe one house that exists back there, but again, it's not developed would be the dead end of the road. So again, it's, it's appropriate. I think to give this a variance in light of that. And again, it's more of a technical nature to variants being that the box, a dead end paper street, more or less. I don't see any issues with  
Speaker 0     00:23:08    Good Mr. Chairman on a lot of these fence and front yard applications. We've been requiring setbacks, but because this is a paper street that the setback requirement doesn't really apply here.  
Speaker 3     00:23:20    Right. And it's the back of the property. So I'm not his front yard or a corporate.  
Speaker 2     00:23:28    Thank you, Henry. Anyone have any other questions from the board hearing? None. I'm going to open it to the public. Then one of the public have any tables or questions about application Laura?  
Speaker 1     00:23:50    Yes. Christine is raising her hand.  
Speaker 2     00:23:54    Did you hear anybody raise their hands block? Oh,  
Speaker 1     00:23:57    Sorry. I muted myself. Yeah. So there's a lady named Christine.  
Speaker 5     00:24:02    Hi, I'm the neighbor. I just want there's a fence there or  
Speaker 0     00:24:06    Okay. Ma'am ma'am before you start, I need to swear you in and find out who you are. Sure. Did you raise your right hand? You swear the testimony you're about to give shall be the truth. So help you God. Yes. Your name and address please.  
Speaker 5     00:24:19    Christine 51 Michael street.  
Speaker 0     00:24:22    Can you spell your last name please?  
Speaker 5     00:24:25    V E S.  
Speaker 0     00:24:27    Thank you. Go ahead. Go ahead.  
Speaker 5     00:24:30    Nope. We're just, we're just curious. There's a fence there already. Is this taking that fence down and putting a higher one up?  
Speaker 2     00:24:38    No,  
Speaker 5     00:24:41    It's the same fence. It's there already. Oh, okay. Great. No issue with that fence. It's great. Okay. Thank you. Just wanted to confirm. Thanks.  
Speaker 2     00:24:54    And thanks. We're going to have a good night, Laura. Anyone else?  
Speaker 1     00:25:00    No Chairman.  
Speaker 2     00:25:02    Okay. You know, on the public amputating, a motion to approve. I'll make a motion to approve your application. And then here, the second there was the packet, Roy. Okay. We will you have clerk, please? Call the roll. Mr.  
Speaker 1     00:25:27    Tillery. Yes. Mr. O'Reggio. Mr. Weissman. Yes. Mr. Zimmerman. Mr. Patel, Did we lose Mr. Patel? Kalpesh you're muted.  
Speaker 2     00:25:45    Yeah.  
Speaker 1     00:25:46    Chairman Cahill.  
Speaker 0     00:25:51    Mr. Reeves, your application has been approved as filed. We will memorialize it in a written document at our meeting in a couple of weeks. You'll need that document, which we will mail to you to get your permits. You don't need to be present at that meeting.  
Speaker 2     00:26:05    Thank you. Alright, next off I have item nine, nine DB. There . Are you in the house Plaza?  
Speaker 0     00:26:32    I'm sorry. Mr. I thought I was here. I am. Mr. Arches. I present will be me and said, I don't have any witnesses this evening. I just want to do it quickly. Refresh the board members. This was a, an application for a pre-existing non-conforming or the alternative use variance for a multifamily facility, multifamily house that's existed for some period of time on weekly, the, the board members are familiar with this property. There's a curve in the road and this property is located right where the road curves 90 degrees to the, to the left. If you're driving towards the house from the next major intersection, the road is very narrow and your houses on both sides. One of the conditions of the approval, Mr. Hinterstein report is, was that we provided the 10 foot, essentially five foot, right of way. And five foot temporary construction is new, which would have literally put us into the living room of the house is the house is set back nine feet, six inches.  
Speaker 0     00:27:42    We did provide a letter from an engineer for the township from 1970s, early 1970s, that indicated that it was highly unlikely. This road would ever be wide. The board did approve the application with the faculty or the accommodation was the Vienna indicated instead of a 10 foot right away, or 10 foot instructions. I put right away five but not break. Construction needs me. Mr. Clark has provided a, a letter to the board, which I believe should be as part of the packet, indicating that he's, he believes also that it's highly unlikely that the slope will ever be widened with a five foot wide Eastern municipal purposes, specifies permanent, these purposes, that suffice in place of that condition. We don't have any objection to that, but I asked him, look favorably on that reprieve from the condition of approval. Mr. Ipol, if you could just say it again in lieu of what the condition says, you would be offering what we will be offering the five foot wide, permanent easement or municipal purposes. Mr. Chairman, you may want to go out to the public on this.  
Speaker 2     00:29:11    Yeah, the public  for deprecation. Please vote. No one. Mr. Chairman. Okay. Hearing none. I would have to pay a motion by some on the board. If they have any other questions in motion,  
Speaker 0     00:29:34    I'll make a motion to approve.  
Speaker 2     00:29:40    Okay. Martin, you  
Speaker 0     00:29:42    A second.  
Speaker 2     00:29:46    Okay. Kalpesh thank you, Ms. Buckley,  
Speaker 1     00:29:49    Mr. Taylor.  
Speaker 2     00:29:55    Yes.  
Speaker 1     00:29:56    Mr. O'Reggio. Mr. Weissman, Mr. Zimmerman, Mr. Patel and Chairman Cahill.  
Speaker 0     00:30:08    I'll prepare a resolution consistent with the board's approved.  
Speaker 6     00:30:13    Yeah.  
Speaker 2     00:30:23    We're down to 12 year.  
Speaker 0     00:30:25    Yes.  
Speaker 2     00:30:27    Item 1228. That we be that there are nine slash 10 D equity land group, LLC.  
Speaker 0     00:30:36    Thank you, Mr. Chairman members of the board, Arvin. I tell again for the app, what the dental, the land group board members may be familiar with this site. This is a 5 21 Stalton road, currently houses. The carwash immediately adjacent to the carwash is a tire store and its place, which does time is a housekeeping matter. If I can confirm pers that notice is proper and board does have jurisdiction over this application. We have received your notice. It is proper and the board has jurisdiction to proceed. Thank you. Second housekeeping matter, just to confirm that reports that we're working off of is a staff report. Mr. Hinterstein that September 21st, we have a Dolan and Dean report or a letter dated September the 17th. We have Mr. Chadwick's finding report finding memo. The date is September 22nd in Mr. Curly's DNR engineering report in September, the 23rd members of the board is that indicated earlier, this is on Stalton road in an area that's changing.  
Speaker 0     00:31:47    This area has, is an ally light industrial zone. Anyone who's been up and down that road can notice very readily, but it's changed quite a bit, quite a few retail office buildings. There was a church there. This property is no exception, but in of that alive zone, like it's used essentially for retail purposes. These are wash facility addicts with the tire place. Now, if you go onto the property, you'll notice that those two businesses, the joy ride along and stealth sort of hide the fact that this is quite a deep line. It goes back quite a bit in the rear portion of the lot is not utilized in the way besides the limited parking that we have behind the higher our washer. What we'd like to do is we'd like to develop that rear portion. And we'd like to develop, like building a building in the front on a long stuff as well. I have witnesses this evening and in 50, if the board members would like to hear from our architect who is also on another zoom call or another town, hopefully you should be joining us. Mr. Chairman, with your permission. If I can call our first witness, Rob, the Leo, who is a representative of the ample, can you give us a brief overview of what's there on the site, Mr. DeLeo, Leo, can you hear me raise your right hand? Swear the testimony you're about to give shall be the truth, so help you God.  
Speaker 3     00:33:34    Yes, I do your name and address please. Robert DiLeo, D I L E L 31, Devon court way Hillsborough New Jersey. Oh 8 8 4 4.  
Speaker 0     00:33:44    Thank you, Mr. Leo first, tell us what's your relationship to the apple?  
Speaker 3     00:33:51    I'm a managing member  
Speaker 0     00:33:54    And you're familiar with the, not only with the site, but with also the application that we have pending before this, correct?  
Speaker 3     00:34:01    Yeah. So I'm very familiar with the site. We've owned the site for her probably 30 or 40 years. Maybe longer. I can give you a little background on the site. As you mentioned, Arvin sites, it's about a little over five and a half acres of properties on the battlefield. We got approvals from the Piscataway. He's the only board back in 1992 for the carwash, the 4,000 square foot carwash and the 6,400 or so square foot auto repair tire service center. That's probably everybody refers to it as the Goodyear. And they've been basically operating successfully there for the past 26 years. So as also you mentioned there's three acres of rough, roughly undeveloped property and what we're proposing and tonight's application to construct two additional buildings, one to the rear consisting of a 17,500 square feet and one air to stop the road about consisting of 10,000 square feet.  
Speaker 3     00:35:02    And we believe that the application conforms and compliments that the dental commerce that exists steel door today as well. What exists on the site currently, and we believe the far is very limited for the size of the property, allowing for a better design and more flexibility for tenants and to provide more adequate parking and as well as being attractive, the rear building, which we're referring to on the plan, as well as in flux, it's typical in today's market, where these buildings have become very popular over the last few years, getting businesses, the flexibility to design their space based on their warehouse and office needs. So the way we kind of design this is with a ratio of 4,500 square feet of office space and 13,000 square feet of warehouse space. Some businesses may require a very small office or no office. Others may require more, or we've allocated that parking ratio based on our experience, we don't need these types of buildings and we've been very successful with them. This type of building is very attractive to small businesses.  
Speaker 3     00:36:23    Some of the two other projects that we have in the area from a planning perspective, we believe this most all businesses. And I guess I have to relocate out of their homes in their garages, their sheds, their self storage facilities, which are not really efficient for their business, but they really have no alternative for storage areas. This gives them a small business. They can call their home. We'd like to refer to them as an incubator space. Both of these businesses will hopefully become successful on our gross space. Someone would remain there for many years and what we're looking to put into this building, I use that would typically fall into the light industrial zone or the press gallery ordinance. I currently do not have any dine leases on the property, but I can tell you there's a lot of interest and there's interest from tenants that have grown and other buildings that we have in the area. There's kind of a waiting list on all these buildings. They typically fall over  
Speaker 3     00:37:30    The front building is a 10,000 square foot building, which we refer to it on. The site plan is retail. But what we're proposing here, what we're proposing to do here is we're not calling it retail in the true sense of the word retail. What we're asking for is to have a limited retail or personal service type users. And by limited retail, we're talking about not looking to lease to anyone that you refer to somebody as a typical retail store that generates high drop ship traffic, such just a restaurant or a coffee shop or a food convenience store, grocery store liquor store. We would agree not to put those types of users in his property. I don't think it would be a good fit. Your ordinance makes a distinction between retail and personal services. So what we're proposing at this building would be a considered personal service types under the ordinance. And then B uses that might be considered retail under the ordinance, but really only have a small retail component to them. If a lot of online sales businesses that are using retail stores, but they're really not generating traffic into their store, they just want to have their name on the street.  
Speaker 3     00:38:45    I will let our planner Alison coffin dive into a little more detail and elaborate on the specific usage. But I did think that maybe to help visual FM, everyone visualize what we're trying to accomplish here. If everyone's familiar with the state wide business center on stuffing road, it is across the street from the fairways residential development near the L M F a road intersection felt that statewide business center is, is almost a mirror of this project is a 16,500 square foot warehouse flex building in the back. And there's an 18,750 square foot limited retail building in the front. And I say limited retail because the zoning board at that time, and I believe it was in the late eighties, early nineties approved the application with the condition that they were offering towards the restaurants allowed and only personal service stores and wholesale users would be allowed at the property.  
Speaker 3     00:39:47    And for many years, a number of zoning officers, miss LA power and Don Donaway and now Dawn Corcoran-Gardella, we've gone through the exercise, a number of occasions, just that kind of discussing what is booked the time envisioned there, and what's being allowed. And it's been there for probably close to 30 years, and we've always been able to agree or compromise or agree not to agree, but the place has been very successful. And to give you an idea of a limited retail that's currently in that store and that govern because a dry cleaner is a hair salon is a max fitness. Personal fitness training is a J E I learning center for math and English tutoring. There's a wholesale swimwear operator because they do mostly online sale sign along a sign company. And there was an automotive store that probably does 98% of their business online.  
Speaker 3     00:40:53    I did very small retail, maybe 4,500 square feet about how you can walk in and buy out windshield wiper fluid or car wax. But through the years has been a martial arts studio in there. There was a carpeting store, there was a car stereo installation I can be kind of, I'm just trying to give an idea. These are not typical. High-end high velocity, high traffic retail. I know we're not going to be able to list every kind of business that could be allowed to specifically, but I think we can get a general definition or over the last I'm hoping to do at this meeting tonight. Once, once we get more into the weeds on it. So I hope that gives you an indication of kind of what we're trying to accomplish here.  
Speaker 0     00:41:44    Juliana, let me take it back. And that does, let's go to the 17,500 square foot storage office, flex space. You have other sites in the state in Middlesex county as a matter of fact, exactly. Right.  
Speaker 3     00:42:02    Exactly.  
Speaker 0     00:42:04    What you do is you lease out at only the space of a base. You also have parking that you allocate certain number of parking and determined. This is where your folks can park, correct.  
Speaker 3     00:42:18    We basically, and I off the top of my head on this, but I would probably give them two or three spaces per 1500 square foot units. So this building has technically been designed to have that maximum 10, 10 release 10 tenants, but it may not. It may only have three times or six times, five times depending on ultimate selves, but if somebody would take one unit and there would be 10 tenants, each one would get three dedicated spaces. And then I then share the common spaces that we, that we, I think we provided enough for them through our experience and ended up in a more than compliance with the Skyway parking ordinance.  
Speaker 0     00:42:58    And in terms of prospective tenants, the board worked to condition the approval. If they were to approve this, that you wouldn't be permitted to have any construction equipment on the outside or any landscaping equipment, you could agree to that. Is that correct?  
Speaker 3     00:43:14    I still be no, no heavy equipment, landscaping, cotton. They usually take yards of space. We don't have outside storage for that.  
Speaker 0     00:43:25    If the board members have any other questions, Mr. Pulliam, any questions you can introduce your net witness. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, if we can call our engineer Mr. Lane, Jolene, could you raise your right hand? You swear that the testimony you're about to give shall be the truth, so help you God, your name and address please. William Lane, Highland park from Germany near eight nine, Mr. Chairman, I believe Mr. Lane has been accepted as an expert engineer for the sport previously. Yeah, I remember him. He can anything bill, you're a familiar with the application. The site plan that we submitted with this application, is that correct? Yes. You've been to this site on a number of occasions and you're familiar with the site as well or not. Yes. It received a copy of staff reports and also the DNR engineering report that you reviewed, the staff reports and that engineering report.  
Speaker 7     00:44:31    Yeah.  
Speaker 0     00:44:33    First I'd like you to give us an overview of what's on the site and how is he going to do it? And if you could walk us through any conditions that first, the DNR report that we can or not.  
Speaker 7     00:44:44    Okay. Do you want me to put up a rendering? Is that  
Speaker 0     00:44:48    If Laura, if we could give Mr. Lane control so that we could put up rendering that was submitted in the patent,  
Speaker 6     00:44:57    You can just hit share screen on the bottom. Okay. And I believe it should come up. There you go.  
Speaker 7     00:45:10    This is entitled exhibit existing conditions. Exhibit date is September 24th, 2020. What was part of the original submission package? No, this is a new rendering, I guess we're going to have to mark this as a one and you're going to have to get us a copy of that. Okay.  
Speaker 7     00:45:39    Okay. What they show is the, the site and its existing conditions and the surrounding neighborhood to the north. We have port Redding railroad. We have the Parkway plastics next door at east Stoughton road in the south valley bank over to the west. What this shows is the development on site, is it predominantly in the Western portion? Not along stout road. We have is the Mr. Tire auto center, which faces Dalton road, car wash off to the west. There's currently 64 parking spaces over in the Western urban section of the site. Here's two existing two-way driveways. One off of the Western portion of the site. Another one sort of in the middle of the site provides access to the property. And then over in the Eastern portion, this is where we were looking to do our new development predominantly with, I can go to the next and during,  
Speaker 7     00:46:56    I guess this'll be a two. Yes, this is a new, this is actually the, the site plan with a landscaping impose on it over an area and it's colored rendering. So it actually has a new plan. It's a combination of a few things that are active, and this is entitled overall plan, exhibit, same thing dated September 24th 20. What this shows is the site with its existing conditions and what the applicants proposing, what the applicants proposing as we talked about is a one story, 10,000 square foot retail building that faced the Skelton road as parking on both sides. And then across the front and there's loading in the rear is a new dumpster recycling containers in the Northeast corner of the new parking lot. Then often the rear of the site is the one story, 17,500 square foot flex space with parking in the trunk. And then across the drive aisle, there is also, what else is being proposed is there's two new monument signs or there's one out along stone road.  
Speaker 7     00:47:58    And then there's another one to provide direction further into the site. They're both six by 10 foot high monument signs. One along stone road will meet a setback barrier and says it's in line with the parking 20 feet off the right of way line or more 50 feet required. Our site features drainage travels in the easterly northeasterly pattern. So we've provided a detention basin in the Northeast corner to help finger weight and treat the storm water runoff water service comes off with stone road. Sanitary sewer will come down across and now out of stealth mode. The site also, you can see through by the rendering or adding about 60 trees and over 300 Trubs throughout the help make it look pretty. It's pretty tight. We've got Trumpery across the trees across the front edge, help provide the buffer walks down road. Whiting's led lighting. We've got a 14 foot high bowls. I believe we're installing one with what's existing. Another 80 poles. That's pretty much what the proposal is out on the site.  
Speaker 0     00:49:05    Now, in terms of the reports that were generated, the first, the DNR report board, is there any, any condition here we want to, we cannot comply with and we continue to work with Mr. Harley and ensure that any conditions that he's imposed, if we satisfied  
Speaker 7     00:49:24    Items one through 21 are basically deal with the drainage and storm water, which we have no problem, mostly operation maintenance manual. Some clarification is inefficient. So of report and some additional notes on the plans. And now we have no problem complying with that. And we're working with the Charlie's office to make sure that we take care of all those conditions. Item 22 is a logistics plan. That's no problem. We can create that. 23 is free construction meetings. And 24 is our permit requirements, which you have no problem.  
Speaker 0     00:50:03    Let's transition. If you wouldn't mind to the interesting's report, there are, I'll interrupt you for one minute. Plane broke up and I could not hear everything. Was there anything with Mr. Carly's report that he could not comply with?  
Speaker 7     00:50:20    Oh, we're good with everything. Thank you.  
Speaker 0     00:50:25    And bill, if we can go to Mr. Hinterstein memorandum, the first actually the first five items, number one, number one through four will comply with those, correct? Correct. Number five and number six requires some explanation. So let's go through that. Number five requires us to dedicate a half a right of way for the half with and half with the 52. There's a question as to where that center line, right? Correct. So what will comply with the dedication that's necessary? We don't know what that center line is that we don't know what we're dedicated to just like, right,  
Speaker 7     00:51:05    Correct. Yes. We're working with, we've got a conditional approval from the county and we're working with them to set the center line. And then once we know that then we'll work with the county and now let's say the town to make sure that the current indication or easement whatever need to be  
Speaker 0     00:51:17    Required to provide a long stone road. But Mr., I thought you were graded dedicate to the center line and the center line is to be determined. That's correct. We would only ask that that not be a condition of our ability to resolve permits. Is it, it takes some time for the county to make that determination.  
Speaker 3     00:51:40    The issue with that, Mr. Kinneally me and Ms. And Arvin, is that any constructions conditioned upon a county pool? So if they sort of piggy back in your brain, your way requirement, no permits would be able to be drawn until that condition is resolved. Then you get a letter from the county stating that all conditions in met. So it doesn't have to necessarily be a condition in our pool, but the conditions is going to be that you have to have an approval letter from Middlesex county. So, I mean, it's going to be conditioned on a report that you're going to dedicate to the center line. We always just rely on the county though, it's their road. So I imagine that they're going to require the right of way to the master plan with as well. And, you know, they say otherwise and they give an okay sign off then.  
Speaker 0     00:52:36    Yeah, that's what we're looking for. I think that in the unlikely event that the county's not able to reach a resolution in a timely manner. We understand that there would be site work that we could do without necessarily going into that. Otherwise the area of the right of way that you've dedicated. So we're specifically asking that condition of team construction, permits that ties into condition number six, which is the 10 foot wide temporary construction. Isn't it, Mr. Lane, without knowing what that half with is and how that it's going to affect the 10 feet. We can't give that temporary construction to the municipality. Is that correct?  
Speaker 7     00:53:19    I think it's an issue of getting him and it's just determining where that final line is and then sending it off.  
Speaker 0     00:53:24    Right? So we're not saying we're not going to give you the 10 foot wide temporary construction easement indicating, cause we don't know where that is. So that may be a condition of approval, but we're asking, but again, the condition of our ability to obtain construction, I'm sure that we can work this out. We can comply with seven and eight. And If you wouldn't mind, the 10 foot wide sidewalk, you did have a conversation with Mr. Hinterstein regarding the landscaping. Is that correct? Actually, Mr. DiLeo dude. And it's my understanding that Mr Hinterstein please correct me if I'm wrong. That you'd be okay with a tempered white sidewalk, but he did provide some planting in front of the retail establishment, correct?  
Speaker 3     00:54:30    That is correct. I have no issue with the 10 foot sidewalk. I've worked it out.  
Speaker 0     00:54:33    We'll meet condition 10 and indigent 11, which is the dead and missing trees and landscaping. Again, we need to defer that to the county actually establishing where the road will be widened. Is that correct?  
Speaker 3     00:54:54    Ms. Mr.  that that comment at, regarding the dead missing landscaping is really more from the original approval on the site versus in the right of way. But then the, the plan shows enough land and escaping proposing the front. It's just anything in the existing portion of the site. That's really not part of this application. If anything has died or is missing for me before, correct.  
Speaker 0     00:55:23    We can work with Mr. Hinterstein to identify those places and we'll comply with 12, 13 and 14. Is that correct? Yes. And finally, if you could, Mr. Chadwick's report paragraph four, actually paragraph three and four first paragraph three, the site plan did not show the proposed monument signs. We will provide details. Is that correct? Yes, but they do indicate the site plan. Doesn't it? Wouldn't signs are proposed to be correct. I agree with it with you we'll provide the PO  
Speaker 3     00:56:14    We'll provide them  
Speaker 0     00:56:17    And yeah. Come at number four regarding the, the truck in circulation. Did you want to briefly address that? And we do have a truck to pick engineering is probably going to go into more detail about this, but you want it to  
Speaker 3     00:56:36    Fire, fire, fire module. Okay.  
Speaker 7     00:56:45    Yeah. We'll send him the most under the fire truck movement plan this way. If he's satisfied with it, we should be trying to think he will be we'll be good.  
Speaker 3     00:56:55    Okay. You're worried you have an approval subject to the fire. Marshall  
Speaker 0     00:57:02    That's correct.  
Speaker 3     00:57:07    Arvin. Yeah. I was told that there is a sign detail on page 13 in the plans that were submitted. I went through those things. I don't know how many times looking for it. I couldn't find it bottom. The bottom left-hand corner, page 13, 13.  
Speaker 0     00:57:31    I'm wondering if an old set of plans got to you  
Speaker 7     00:57:35    Set of plans?  
Speaker 0     00:57:36    Yes. The date is September 2nd and they'll revise through October the 10th.  
Speaker 3     00:57:41    I don't have your degree. You need to provide them. I'm like they're satisfactory. Then I would get a memo to the file. Here's your question on the design and the flexibility in the back. That's a little unusual that there is no access to the rear of the building. I guess that's the question is really well there's, there's plenty of buildings that are existing, right. And constraints. I, I, you had your testimony basically said we were aware with the allowed uses in the album. Was it all one zone, right? Correct. Well that, for that porch before that building, correct. Okay. I mean, it's, I mean, you got to deal with tradesmen and they're going to have it, but you never know if you're going to have somebody who's going to have fairly good size commercial vehicle. It's going to be an aggravation to everybody else. Well, like I said, in my testimony, we own buildings like this and we kind of vet our tenants to kind of make sure that we're very clear that they have certain spaces.  
Speaker 3     00:59:07    And because we have buildings where there's a car that's left there for six months and we had to be, have to tow because one of the times doesn't even pony up the saying it's there. It just happens in a normal course of life. I, no wait, if somebody needs, y'all 10 parking spaces, they're not going to be able to go into this. So it's right there. The back building will comply with the use limitation of the zoning, which is located correct. When you have no use barriers that we're not that I think that's what we're saying. Right? All of them.  
Speaker 0     00:59:46    And I'll let her planner touch upon that. What we're indicating is that the uses that we're anticipating in that we're building would fit in with the LIS zone. The front building is more the retail personal services. There could be some crossover. So we're, we're asking for that flexibility. So we can actually fill this plays out.  
Speaker 3     01:00:09    That's not what Ms.  said the back building, the flexibility.  
Speaker 0     01:00:16    It is a building, but it's, you'll hear from our planner. There's, there's, there's more areas of intersection than, than first meets the eye with the types of uses that the bottom line, however, is that the rear portion, the 17,000 square foot building the rear 70,500 square foot portion in the rear will be more or less uses that are permitted. Like I said, there may be a smaller use that could also fit in the front. That would also cross over to the bath or vice versa. I'll let her planner touch upon that. Mr. Chairman of if any members have any questions for Mr. Lane  
Speaker 0     01:01:33    There are no questions for Mr. Lane, maybe appropriate to call your next witness. Sure. Scott, are you on the line? I am now, right? It's Chairman. Our next witness will be Scott down. Who's are trafficking,  
Speaker 0     01:01:58    But you didn't say, do you swear the testimony you're about to give should be the truth so help you God, I do. My name is Scott address please. Sure. Scott kennel, K E N N E L with McDonough and Ray associates based at 1431 Lakewood road Manasquan. I'm a principal with McDonough and REA with over 35 years of traffic and transportation planning experience. I have testified on over a thousand applications and over a hundred municipalities throughout New Jersey. It's been awhile since I testified before the zoning board, but I recently testified before the Skyway planning board for the new warehouse that's being constructed on old new Brunswick road. I'm qualified in New Jersey superior court on three land use matters and I've testified in 14 other communities within Middlesex county, Mr. Chairman, it would appear that Mr. Kettle is qualified to testify before the court. Thank you, Mr.  
Speaker 0     01:03:02    Kendall, you've had an opportunity to review the application. You've also conducted some traffic studies with regards to this side of you, not that is correct. And based upon your review of the application in your studies, have you pumped to a conclusion, first of all, let's address the issue of ingress and egress to the site itself. And then we'll talk about parking. And if you could relate that back to Ms. Dolan's report dated September the 17th. Yes. Most recent report prepared by my office, the state of September 1st, 2020. And it lists the scope of work that was performed with this application.  
Speaker 0     01:03:47    Typically the first aspect of it is doing data collection and take an inventory of existing conditions. Our office has retained in June of this year. So it was after the COVID-19 restrictions were in place. So as a result, we had to refer to historical traffic data to establish base traffic counts. And we reviewed traffic counts, conducted by Jersey department of transportation, Jason, to decide on stout and road. And they were from April of 2016. We use that data to make adjustments to current conditions and then to project out the 2023, Ms. Dolan had mentioned that during her review of the report, there are other applications that were presented to Piscataway recently and found that the traffic volumes that we utilized were consistent, if not a little bit higher than what was had been provided to the township previously, would that establish the next thing was taking the consideration, the type of uses proposed and the Institute of transportation, engineers trip generation manual was consulted to estimate traffic that would be generated during the morning and afternoon peak hours. And based on table, one of our report, it's estimated that the site during the morning peak hour generate approximately 30 vehicles. And in the afternoon, approximately 65 vehicles given the current traffic patterns along stout and road and our familiarity with area, we had assigned traffic 50% to and from the east and then to the, to the west, you have installed roads alignment in that areas predominantly east west.  
Speaker 0     01:05:42    We also had two project traffic volumes for the carwash and for the tire center. Again, given the impacts of COVID-19 on, on traffic conditions. And again, we consulted each the it generation manual to develop traffic projections. Would that be considered a designer of 2023 for analysis and the evaluation at the site driveways is that the drivers that operate at level of service, see, I'm sure you've heard plenty of testimony that the target range is level of service, C to D when you're evaluating an intersection or a driveway. And it was determined that both driveways would operate a level of service C or approximately 20 seconds of delay per vehicle. And in the left turn, moving into the site would have a average delay of 10 seconds. And the benefit of this site along Stellan road, there is a center turn lane. So it creates a refuge for a left turn movements into the site.  
Speaker 0     01:06:52    So it doesn't create an impedance to through traffic. This site is also benefited by the fact that they have traffic signals Eastern west of the site that helped to create gaps and platoon traffic. I mean, you have the traffic signal, Washington avenue, and you also have the traffic signal at the stop and shop shopping center. So overall from a operational standpoint, the drivers can operate efficiently based on existing conditions and with the projected traffic bonds, as far as the site plan is concerned, Mr. Lane had gone into detail on the site layout and the circulation patterns, and we're providing 150 parking spaces where 146 are required by ordinance. It's my opinion that the parking is well distributed through the site to serve the, the four buildings on the subject property. The site has been laid out to provide positive onsite circulation for passenger vehicles, as well as delivery vehicles or refuse vehicles as well as emergency vehicles that would serve the site.  
Speaker 0     01:08:04    On that point, there was a comment in Ms. Dolan's report on page two, which would be P one, or she had a question as far as the 60 foot wide two-way aisle between the two proposed buildings. And the intent there is to have a generous pavement there to accommodate delivery vehicles that will not only be serving the retail building, but also serving the warehouse building to the rear. So again, the site layout enables us to provide the additional pavement area, which again, provides positive movements for delivery vehicles in that area. In my opinion is, is, is a good design far as again, that in summation, that basically that the site has been well laid out. The fact that it's served by two access points. It's my opinion that the Western access will be primarily utilized by the carwash and the tire store. Whereas the Eastern access would primarily service the two new buildings, but the buildings, the driveways can operate safely and efficiently. And as I mentioned at good levels of service, so for all intents and purposes, that is my direct. And I'm available for questions. Chairman, if the board members have any questions,  
Speaker 0     01:09:53    If no board members have questions, then you can call your next witness. Thank you. It's chairman, just members of the board. And we do have our architect. I believe he's come on board. I've not planned on calling him unless members of the board had specific architectural questions. We have submitted a floor plans and elevations with our packet as well. So that's part of the packet. I would like to call Alison coffin or planner. However, unless members of the board want me to call the architect, I'll move on to the planning. Do any members of the board wish to hear from the applicant's architect? I am not hearing anyone saying they want to hear from the architect, correct me if I'm wrong, Mr. Rifle, I think you should call your planer. Thank you, Ms. Coffin, if we can have this morning is it's called putting your president, raise your right hand. You swear the testimony. You're about to give show you the truth. So help you God, your name and address please. Mr. Chairman, I believe Ms. Coffin has been accepted as an expert planner before this board in prior applications. Please proceed. Ms. Carr. Thank you, Ms. Coffin. I'd like you first you're here at the application site. Is that correct? You've heard all the testimony provided here today and the questions asked by board members and professionals. All right.  
Speaker 0     01:11:49    I'd like you to, if you would, please provide your expert opinion as to the planning. Justification's the variances that we've seen also touch upon some of the questions that were asked by Mr. Chad wood or to the use of property building  
Speaker 0     01:21:39    Thank you, Ms. Coffin German. If the board members have any questions, do any members of the board have any questions for this witness? Hearing none, John and I have just a backlog with the traffic.  
Speaker 3     01:21:57    One question, you mentioned pylon sign and up until this point, it was a monument sign. Am I missing? Okay. Cause we didn't ever need details. And the other thing is our reward is the last plan that I should be looking for. These signs, detail,  
Speaker 0     01:22:21    Phil, I want you to confirm this. If you're there, it says the plan itself was dated through September 2nd, 2020. That's correct.  
Speaker 0     01:22:37    Nothing else. Mr. I thought you have any other witnesses, no members of the board. This would conclude our application. I'll save the summation. As you probably heard enough board members have any specific questions, but any of the witnesses I can recall them, but a basket you look favorably upon the application is adding to the dynamic of Stilton. The math portion of Stilton, which is developing. This is the perfect of both. The intended uses the existing uses and also the retail and personal services, which is where a lot of the other businesses along star road have also gone as well. Mr. Chairman, if the board doesn't have any questions that would be appropriate to open it to the public,  
Speaker 2     01:23:27    I actually have a question. We stand with numbers five and six on any site, one path we were going back and forth between the county, having responsibility, working with the township is any of that language changing on the side of them back.  
Speaker 0     01:23:44    But with regard to number five, they've agreed to grant the 10 foot dedication to the center line. It's just that the center line is to be determined.  
Speaker 2     01:23:55    Okay. So we can go ahead. If we weren't about favorably upon this, there was no language issues involved with, we don't have to make any changes in like,  
Speaker 0     01:24:03    I don't believe so. Is there anything else in the five or six that I haven't covered? I think that's,  
Speaker 3     01:24:10    I'm going. I think we had a conversation today relative to my dealings with the Middlesex county on Staten island on a number of other sites recently, and the center line issue has come up on a number of different sites. They really is like, I think there's two different center lines on  road. And, and what bill was referring to was they're trying to confirm which one they're gonna use going forward. They're also, they're also not confirming that 52 feet is going to be the center line on every piece of property I'm stopping the road because I had gotten on my most recent application, I think was 40 to 48 feet. Another one was 49 feet. So if we can just leave it up to the us to work it out with the county. And I think had he made a comment it's their road. So whatever they determined that they want as far as a right of way, whether it's what ends up being 50 feet or 51 feet or that we were allowed to do that.  
Speaker 2     01:25:19    Okay, thank you. Mr. the off. Does anyone have any other questions besides mine,  
Speaker 3     01:25:26    But Sean, I think you have to talk about the, the county approval. Cause Emmy said nobody gets a building permit and fell the county planning board. Okay. That's what he wanted to go.  
Speaker 2     01:25:47    That was initially my concern as well. But I mean, I'm a, , it's a non issue. Is that right?  
Speaker 0     01:25:59    It's sort of an issue beyond your, your jurisdiction.  
Speaker 2     01:26:04    Okay.  
Speaker 0     01:26:05    They've agreed to the dedication to the center line. If the center line can't be determined, then that's going to be between the applicant and the county. It will indicate that they haven't determined what that center line is, but the construction can go forward at this location. Just don't want the township, the whole bus up waiting for a dedication of 10 feet based upon 52.  
Speaker 3     01:26:32    And as long as the county signs off on it and says, building permits can be issued. And with that issue not being resolved, you know, ultimately as always, we need a letter from the county that says building permits can be issued. So, okay. As long as they have no issue with it, we won't have an issue with it. Okay. I can live with that.  
Speaker 2     01:26:54    You only have the board members on  
Speaker 3     01:26:56    The only other thing I had Mr. DiLeo, basically he described that thought pretty completely what the uses would be in the front and what the users would be in the back instead of going all through it. Basically, you said no restaurants that no food sales in the front, correct? All they have is Brazil services would be allowed. Yeah. Anything that would fall under their realm from a branding standpoint, I have a problem with starting to do the food, the restaurant I think go. Yeah, no, I would, I would agree to no food sales, as far as coffee, delis, restaurants, bakeries, whatever you want. Okay.  
Speaker 2     01:27:44    Okay. Any other members have any questions hearing none. I'm going to open it to the public. Anyone in the public have any questions about this application goal statement, Laura?  
Speaker 8     01:27:58    I did not see anyone.  
Speaker 2     01:28:00    Okay. Yes.  
Speaker 3     01:28:06    Warren gentleman here, like to make a motion. Is that  
Speaker 2     01:28:11    Motion made by Mr. Demond to approve? Do I have a second  
Speaker 3     01:28:15    Second  
Speaker 2     01:28:17    That sorry, sir. Larkin police have evolved  
Speaker 8     01:28:25    Mr. Calorie.  
Speaker 2     01:28:26    Yes.  
Speaker 8     01:28:28    Mr. O'Reggio. Yes. Mr. Wakeman. Mr. Zimmerman. Yes. Mr. Patel. Yes. And Chairman Cato.  
Speaker 2     01:28:40    Yeah.  
Speaker 0     01:28:42    Mr. I call your application's been approved. We will memorialize it at our next meeting and send you a copy of the resolution. Thank you.  
Speaker 3     01:28:51    I I'd like to say thank you to the board and congratulate Mr. Chairman K Cahill on his first day on the job.  
Speaker 2     01:29:03    Okay. Have a good day. I have a good evening. I know you will. Let's move on to number 13, 19 dash DB. That's the zero slash zero seven B multiple center of little thick.  
Speaker 0     01:29:22    Thank you, Mr. Chairman members of the board urbanites all again for the applicant. MCMC I've been before the, this board a number of occasions as this applicant, this applicant, both on the site and office side, another of our patients has really become an integral part of the community. One of the moving to the site itself, the inside of 1000 PO's lane, which is the subject that the application as the members of the board may know that there is a mosque and also a religious school that's attached to that mosque. And there are outbuildings that are not part of this application and separate tax lots that are towards post lane west. And we are portion of the property away from home.  
Speaker 0     01:30:10    The purpose of this application is strictly to be able to be able to include portions of the two additional lots that MCMC has been able to acquire from the owners of the property. As the board members may know, this entire site is an AR 15 residential. We used to sell in both, both in the school and for the religious use is conditionally permitted. If we meet all the conditions of the zone, however, we don't meet all of the conditions from the zone. There are a number of existing variances that are before this board, again, which we've got a planner to the walk us through the, the reason why we're before the board this evening to incorporate portions of two additional residential, lots is not for an immediate use, but for future use, we're not able to financially develop the port a lot to address one of our biggest concerns, which is parking on site.  
Speaker 0     01:31:19    We've acquired about a 100 by 200 foot from two from the rear portion of two residential lots that are bought our property. We would like to incorporate that into the larger lot. And at some point in the future, we're going to come back before this board when we have the financial ability to do so to propose developing that, that portion of the property as in parking lot. But we're not going to do that today. We see companies just make merge that into the larger lot. Now the applicants are obviously not just NCMC, but we also have the residential properties that you're selling us one a of the rear of their property that we're going to be incorporated into our property. At some point in the future, I'd like to come back and be able to say that we're going to be able to at least alleviate some of the parking variance constraints that we have on this property.  
Speaker 0     01:32:14    I won't be doing that today. There are two staff reports that were generated as a result of this application, Mr. Chad, Wood's September 3rd memorandum. And also Mr. Hinterstein memo dated September the 21st. I will say that I've had an opportunity to speak to the applicant and the testimony that you're going to hear this evening was going to give them our engineer to really talk about the shed and the existing variances on the site. I'm going to spare the board members that longer testimony, unless you really want to hear it. We've decided that we will not require the four sheds that we're asking for in this property, which would have been part of the variance that we would seeking. And that we're going to go along with the recommendation. Interesting. It says that the board should really consider the reduced number of sheds being three on that property.  
Speaker 0     01:33:07    I believe that that still creates a variance condition, but Mr. Chairman, with your permission, I believe we'll be able to address that with one witness this evening. And that's in this often to go over the planning, justification, the staff reports that were generated Mr. Hendrick report, we will comply with the conditions there. And Mr. Chadwick, if you had missed the specific questions, that would not be something that our planner could address and we'll address your memo. But I think that we will, we'll be able to satisfy the board this evening. That what we're looking for is the ability to merge a portion of the two rear lots that were acquired or adjacent neighbors to make our property bigger for future development. Maybe a couple of years down the road for additional parking field or mosque the school, the chairman for permission, if I may call Ms. Carpet, please do, would you raise your right hand? Do you swear that the testimony you're about to give shall be the truth so help you God, I assume your credentials have not been revoked in the past 15 minutes.  
Speaker 0     01:34:20    Ms. Coffin can be accepted as a professional planner before board, please. Thank you, Ms. Coffin, you heard my opening remarks. You've also heard that I've indicated that our clients agreed to reduce the number of sheds that were seeking on that property for down to three. Before I start asking you for the planning justifications, let me also indicate the board that there is a Bence the board on board or a vinyl fence that is along the property. Currently missing two panels. Those panels will be replaced a lot that we are incorporating into the larger, the two rear portions of the residential properties that we're seeking to incorporate will not be used for any purpose. The fence will be replaced except for a panel that can be removed so we can maintain that property until we come back. Sorry, Ms. Coffin, as you are familiar with the application, you walk us through the planning justifications for the existing variances and the finding justifications or continuing to permit this conditionally permitted use  
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Speaker 0     01:46:02    Thank you to stop. And Mr. Chairman, unless the board wishes to hear from our engineer, that would be our testimony at the seat. Mr. Chairman. I have a couple of questions of Ms. Coffin because the, my audio disrupted several homes. So I just want to clarify a few things, Ms. Coffin, I believe you testified that originally four sheds were being acquired and now you're, you've agreed to get rid of one and there would be three shifts. Those three sheds are existing on the property that you are acquiring. Miss Mr. Kinneally. Yes. There's four proposed CHADS. My report  
Speaker 3     01:46:50    Talked about three sheds with an existing shadow. There's one existing shed on the property. And there was four proposals. My report stated that I believe that three sheds would be more appropriate and that included the one existing shed, the only two proposed new sheds.  
Speaker 0     01:47:09    And are those sheds to be located on the area to be acquired? Correct. And what is the proposed uses of those shifts? When you say food storage, is there going to be, are there going to be any utilities, initiatives, And I'm interested, are there going to be utilities in these sheds or they're going to be refrigerators freezers? No. Okay. The board may wish to consider whether or not the sheds can be used before the applicant comes back for an amended site plan approval. They're really here now only for a subdivision. So if they're talking about utilizing this new area, there has been no site plan approval and the board should consider whether or not using using this new area is appropriate. I've been considered a site plan.  
Speaker 3     01:48:40    And Mr. Kinneally add to that, it seems like there was some talk during the testimony about expansion of parking and then that the subdivision will have no impact or just increasing the land space. But it's sort of, you know, I felt like they kept lending itself to in the future. We may do expansion of parking that would have a big impact on, you know, four properties that, you know, the parking would be a lot closer to their homes. So again, I would see an issue with the subdivision and I think it's very fair in the report that any use of the properties you stated, decided on beside of the problem, when it comes back for a site,  
Speaker 0     01:49:27    I would agree. I would agree with Mr. Hinterstein. Give me a minute. Mr. I thought, eh, they're here just for a subdivision right now. I don't believe permitting any usage of this new area is appropriate at this time because you don't have a site plan before you  
Speaker 0     01:49:45    Mr. , I'm sure you have response. I do. I'm willing to do it once it becomes incorporated with the site itself, although there's no development that's proposed on the site, I can put our engineer on to testify that we'd like to locate three sheds on that site without arguing with you. Isn't what locating three sheds on the site development it's it's yes. I would agree that it is developed and ordinarily isn't development regulated by a site plan. It is, this is a site plan and subdivision application. That was what was submitted. The site plan application indicated that we would be locating four sheds on that site, that site plan application with the indication that we would put four sheds on that site resulted in Mr. Hinterstein a memo, which indicated that it was more appropriate for three sheds on that site. I don't, I don't see an application to mine missing it. I see a subdivision application with marrying into  
Speaker 0     01:51:35    The ordinance Mr. Chairman, I stand corrected. It does appear that this wasn't use variance, billary, major subdivision and Bork variance. It's like, Okay, why don't we move forward with that? I don't, I don't think the board should grant any use of the property to be acquired such as the sheds. I know that they will be coming back for an amendment site plan application, and that would be appropriate at that time.  
Speaker 2     01:52:52    So we can address it later. As far as the sheds are concerned, let's just work on subdivision tonight.  
Speaker 0     01:52:59    Yes. And the use of both  
Speaker 2     01:53:02    Right, for the members of the board should not disregard, but the main aspect of this application should be the subdivision. Does anyone have any questions for the last witness or of this application? Law hearing no response. I'd like to open it to the public. Anyone in the public, any questions about this witnesses, testimony and the overall aspect of this application?  
Speaker 9     01:53:36    I do. Oh, I'm not sure how to register to speak.  
Speaker 0     01:53:42    Okay. That's okay. You need to give her you, so I'm going to, can you raise your right hand? I will swear you in. Do you swear the testimony you're about to give shall be the true self you got, But I have your name and address please.  
Speaker 9     01:53:58    My name is  address is 10 Marion court Piscataway.  
Speaker 0     01:54:05    Mr. Woo, go ahead and give us your comments please.  
Speaker 9     01:54:09    Yes. I just want to make some clarification. So towards the end of this knee, I had heard that the, the shed, but it's been talked about to not go to be a part of the approval tonight. Is that correct? There'll be another hearing or the shed. Your  
Speaker 0     01:54:30    Correct? Yes.  
Speaker 9     01:54:32    Okay. Okay, great. I guess that's all I want to know. I just wanna make sure that, you know, there's a up meeting on this. I, I would attend that meeting. I do have concerns about the shed  
Speaker 0     01:54:48    And when there is an amended site plan application filed notice will be sent out to all the property owners within 200 feet of the property.  
Speaker 9     01:54:57    Okay. Thank you.  
Speaker 2     01:54:59    Thank you. Anyone else? Okay. Yes. I have few questions. My name is William Keenan. Address is 613 Hosely west, which would be lot number five. Okay.  
Speaker 0     01:55:21    Could you raise your right hand please? Do you swear the testimony you're about to give shall be the truth so help you God. Yes, sir. Thank you. Please proceed with your comment.  
Speaker 2     01:55:33    A couple of concerns. I am concerned about a future use of this parking lot. You're talking about in a little more than the half, the anchor parking, which is now basically going to put up 125 feet against my property. Now, apparently there's a hundred feet of the fact that the rear of my property that's parking lot. And that's fine. When the Muslim center first proposal is I was four. I'm really concerned about the approach, but now I understand that, you know, the uses are different or how it's zoned is different. And that, that these lots don't require this size anymore, but these lots have always been this soft. And now, you know, I'm 25 feet is a lot. That's my primary. That's a lot of parking now surrounding my property. Well,  
Speaker 0     01:56:31    Well, sir, you do understand that we're only here tonight for the subdivision and that if even if the board grants a subdivision tonight, they can not utilize this area for parking. They must come back before the board or an amended site plan application. And at that time they will have a parking plan that you can comment on for against.  
Speaker 2     01:56:55    Okay, fair enough. And so then my secondary concern is I'm the owner of lot four purchased this property a little over a year ago, and I've watched how everybody is taking care of back his back 125 feet. And my concern is that this seems from whoever operates at the mosque and low owners of what four and three, that this seems to be a foregone through closure to me, they have excavated holes back there may have dumped the brief from work sites, not even related to this project. They're currently story equipment back there that is related to the construction of a new piece on the front of a mosque. Nobody is caring for the property hall. It's completely overrun. And I'm concerned that if you Brent, this who's going to manage this property. Cause nobody's trying now it's really become a dumping ground. And that's that that might not be the board's issue, but it's a concern for me.  
Speaker 0     01:58:08    And you're correct, sir, that the board doesn't have any control over code enforcement. If you believe that there is a code enforcement issue, we should call the code enforcement department of Piscataway and ask them if they can look into it.  
Speaker 2     01:58:21    They are. No thank you for your testimony. I'm actually opposed to granting this subdivision at this point. Thank you for your testimony and your opinion. Well, anyone else in the public forum, the, to question its application or question the last witness  
Speaker 0     01:58:49    Ms. Buckley has seen any other member of the public who wishes to be heard?  
Speaker 2     01:58:53    No, I do not. Okay. Seeing none or hearing none, I'm going to close the father's portion. Ask anybody on the board, what their thoughts are. Any questions, any emotions again, when we're talking about subdivision tonight, can I at the chairman make a motion? Yes, you  
Speaker 0     01:59:17    Can.  
Speaker 2     01:59:18    I'd like to make a motion to approve the application again, just the whole with the subdivision portion of it, we'll deal with the sheds and the site plan later,  
Speaker 3     01:59:30    Before we vote and continue on. I just wanted to clear Mr. Caley, that buffer requirement, I believe because there'll be acquiring this property. And I believe as the one homeowner said, they seem to be using it already in some fashion and a certain date. It can download fads in order to do that, that the offer and defense requirement from the staff report should still be imposed  
Speaker 0     01:59:58    Well. And I believe that the, the applicant agreed to the fence issue, correct? So yes, that, that will be a condition of approval. Also a condition of approval would be that there's no use of this property until they receive amended site plan Chairman, just to be clear on that, the access to the apartment, there is an existing fence board on board fence with several handles that have been removed, but access to that, that area. So one of those will be completely closed. The other will be closed temporarily, meaning that you want to have access to that rear portion. So we can actually maintain that property. What are the concerns that the neighbor indicated about maintaining the property? So we do want to have access to that property. There's a, there's a solid fence that, and not be able to access the property except to go through residential property fund.  
Speaker 0     02:00:58    Well, we don't want that up. Liberal panels have been removed. Perhaps your, your client can go back, clean up the property and then restore the panels until you receive amended site plan approval. Well, w we're not necessarily going to come in in the next couple of weeks or months, even for an amendment site plan approval. We'd like to continue to have access to that property by being able to remove those panels and put in some method for being able to get in whether it's by way of a gate. And I believe there is a gate that's there as well. So Mr. Chairman, I don't want to argue with the applicant. However, there's been no amendment state plan approval. There's no amended site plan application. I don't know what possible use they could be using in that prior in that back lot that they're requiring because they haven't been approved for any Mr..  
Speaker 0     02:01:49    I'm just, I'm not being articulate here. We're not using the property. We need to maintain it though. You have to maintain it. We need to have access to it in order to have access to it. We need to make sure that this fence, the Southland fence that is missing two panels is not get restored to a solid fence that prohibits access to that portion for maintenance purposes. And if you're talking about maintaining it, you're talking about lawn mowing edging, et cetera. Yeah. Normal routine maintenance that would be required on property. And I believe there is some debris that's back there that the neighbor had noted being able to access the property for cleanup purpose. And I believe that that could be done in a reasonable time, even before the resolution is adopted. A great clean up can be done. I'm talking about continued access to the property. I can include the board on board language that hopefully I'm sorry. I just have this property until amended site plan approvals. Yeah. Yes. I can see that. I can incorporate some language that I hope the applicant can agree to. However, there should be no use of this property until a amended site plan is granted.  
Speaker 0     02:03:18    Can anyone hear me? Yeah. Okay. Mr. Chairman, I didn't have any other comments. All I heard. I think that clarification, I think Mr. Kinneally is, is on point. We're not going to be using the property. I think the concern that we had Mr. Neeley address, which is to be able to access the property, continuing to maintain, I'd ask the board to consider that we be able to have access to that properties in some reasonable method. I can include language in a resolution, giving them access to the property for cleanup purposes and maintenance and maintenance. Yes. That said I will second. The motion that  
Speaker 2     02:04:37    By the German one fuck was going about  
Speaker 8     02:04:46    Mr. Taylor.  
Speaker 2     02:04:50    Yes.  
Speaker 8     02:04:52    Mr. O'Reggio. Yes. Mr. Weissman. Yes. Zimmerman. Yes. Mr. Patel.  
Speaker 2     02:05:01    Yes.  
Speaker 8     02:05:03    And Chairman Cahill.  
Speaker 2     02:05:05    Yeah.  
Speaker 0     02:05:09    I'll prepare a resolution and we'll consider it our next meeting. Mr. Idle. Thank you.  
Speaker 2     02:05:15    Thank you, sir. Have a good evening. Let's move on to number 14. Adoption of resolution from the regular meeting of December test 2020.  
Speaker 0     02:05:29    Well, first resolution is young wound. This was an application for a fence that was approved. Mr. Cahill. Yeah. Mr. Zimmerman. Yes. Mr. Weissman. Yes. The Patel. Yes. Second is AAA budget, self storage. Extension of time. Mr. Kale. Yeah. Mr. Zimmerman. Yes. Mr. Weissman. Yes. Mr. Patel. Yes. Next to this alien Soriano car court, which you voted to approve Mr. Cahill yet? Mr. Zimmerman. Yes. Mr. Weissman. Yes. Mr. Patel. Yes. Next to Dawn and James genteel. This is an application for offense, Mr. Cahill. Yes. Mr. Zimmerman. Yes. Mr. Weissman. Yes. Mr. Patel. Yes. Next is T-Mobile Northeast. This was an application for exemption from site plan, which you voted to approve Mr. Cahill. Yes. Zimmerman. Yes. Mr. Weissman. Yes. Mr. Patel. Yes. Last is a Sony and Mota. This was an application for a house and an undersized lot. Which you voted to approve Mr. Cahill. Yeah. Mr. Tillery. Yes. Mr. O'Reggio. Yes. Mr. Zimmerman. Yes. Mr. Weissman. Yes. Those were all the resolutions that I have this evening. Mr. Chairman  
Speaker 2     02:07:02    Number 15 is the adoption of minutes from the regular meeting of the February 10th, 20, 20. All in favor, say aye.  
Speaker 0     02:07:09    Aye. Aye.  
Speaker 2     02:07:12    Anybody want to make a motion to adjourn?  
Speaker 0     02:07:15    Motion to adjourn.  
Speaker 2     02:07:18    Thank you. Thank you, gentlemen. And ladies for a long, hopefully productive evening. You guys a couple of weeks.  
Speaker 0     02:07:25     Mr. Chairman.  
Speaker 2     02:07:29    Thank you. Bye-bye guys.  
Speaker 6     02:07:36    Not ever wanted. 


	

Minutes for Piscataway Zoning meeting on September 24 2020