Transcript for Piscataway Planning meeting on June 9 2021
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Speaker 0 00:00:05 Okay. It is seven 30 Madam chair In progress. Speaker 1 00:00:18 I'm hoping it is that away township planning board meeting will please come to water and compliance with the open public meetings act. Adequate notice of this meeting was provided in the following ways. Notice published in the courier news notice published in the Star-Ledger notice, published on the bulletin board of the municipal court notice made available to the township clerk and notice made available through the township library. Can we have the reading of the department of community affairs guidelines? Speaker 2 00:00:50 Um, this meeting is being held virtually in conformance with the department of community affairs guidelines that were promulgated as part of the, um, COVID pandemic. Um, the zoom link has been provided, um, as part of the notice of this meeting, and I believe it's appropriate to go forward in a virtual session. Speaker 1 00:01:10 Thank you. Roll call please. Speaker 0 00:01:13 Marijuana easier. Councilman Cahill here. Ms. Corcoran here, Ms. Saunders here, Reverend Kenny, Mr. Foster, Madam chair here Speaker 2 00:01:32 As Mr.here. Laura is Mr. Foster here. Speaker 0 00:01:37 I don't see him. So then we'll have six cause uh, Dennis isn't coming tonight. So we have six, we have six, Speaker 1 00:01:47 Um, the pledge of allegiance. I pledge allegiance Speaker 0 00:01:54 Of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God, indivisible with Liberty and justice for all. Speaker 1 00:02:08 Thank you. Okay. Um, maybe have the professionals morning please, but tonight, Speaker 3 00:02:15 Can you please raise your right hand? Do you swear that the testimony about to give will be the truth and nothing but the Speaker 0 00:02:20 Truth? Yes, I do. Speaker 3 00:02:22 Thank you, Mr. Gottlieb. Speaker 1 00:02:26 Okay. Um, we note that our agenda has to, um, to, uh, Germans for tonight. Um, Mr. Barlow, would you like to tell us which ones they are Speaker 2 00:02:40 Matter has been postponed until July 14th, 2021? I believe the notices will be forthcoming for that. And the Rube matter, which is 1 45 11th street has been postponed. There is not a new date for that yet. And there will be a re notice for that. Okay. So if anybody's on for those two matters, um, 10 23 river road or 1 45 11th street, those matters will not be heard to see evening Speaker 4 00:03:11 Participant ID followed by Speaker 1 00:03:13 Pound Speaker 4 00:03:15 To continue. Speaker 0 00:03:24 I apologize Speaker 4 00:03:26 As an attending the meeting. Speaker 0 00:03:31 Okay. Speaker 1 00:03:38 Um, item number seven, adoption of amended resolution to memorialize 2021 meeting. Speaker 3 00:03:46 Okay. Madam chairman, I like to more like application 21 P B zero three slash zero four V. Goldman Rutgers land limited partnership, preliminary and final site plan with bulk variances. Speaker 1 00:04:01 We'll have a second. Speaker 0 00:04:11 Yeah. Hit star six. Yes, yes, yes. And cylinders. Yes. Reverend Kenny and Madam chair. Yes. Speaker 1 00:04:30 Item number. Oh, Speaker 3 00:04:33 Oh man. Terminal. I like to moralize application 20 PV, 10 slash 11 visa at this corporation, preliminary and final site plan with both variants. Speaker 2 00:04:44 Uh, the Synthes matter was pulled off the most recent agenda of 69. So they asked that that be carried the adoption of saying on sin. Speaker 3 00:04:56 Okay. Is there anything special we need to do? Speaker 2 00:05:00 No. They asked for an, a German. It was granted extensions. So nothing needs to be done. Um, they have some corporate issues they're trying to work out. Um, so they asked that we hold off on adoption. Speaker 3 00:05:13 Okay. Alright. Okay. Um, Madame chairman liked more lies application 19 PV, 33 slash 34 V 1724 avenue, LLC. Preliminary and final site plan with both variants. Speaker 1 00:05:28 We have a second Speaker 0 00:05:35 Marijuana. Councilwoman Cahill? Yes. Ms. Corporate. Yes. The cylinders. Yes. Reverend Kenny. Yes. Madam chair. Yeah. Speaker 3 00:05:47 Okay. Ma'am chairman I'd like to more or less application 21 PV zero one slash zero, two V for Bronson, LLC. Preliminary and site plan with both variants. Speaker 1 00:05:59 Second place. Speaker 0 00:06:06 They are Weiler Councilwoman kale. Yes. It's Corcoran. Yes. Ms. Saunders. Yes. Reverend Kenny and Madam chair. Speaker 1 00:06:18 Yes. Speaker 3 00:06:22 Oh, I'm sorry. Uh, Madam chairman, I would like to, um, adopt the minutes from the regular meeting of May 12th, 2021. Speaker 1 00:06:39 Uh, roll call please. That that's the second Speaker 0 00:06:42 Mayor Waller. Councilwoman Cahill. Yes. Ms. Corcoran. Yes. Ms. Saunders. Yes, Reverend Kenny. And that I'm chair. Speaker 1 00:06:55 Yes. Item number nine on our agenda is 19 PB 33 90 Hancock road, LLC, preliminary and made preliminary major subdivision. Mr. Maan jelly. Speaker 6 00:07:12 I'm chair. Good evening. Members of the board professionals, a rich man jelly and behalf of the applicant. Speaker 1 00:07:18 Thank you. Speaker 6 00:07:19 Um, I am joined tonight by Paul Fletcher, our engineer and Patrick O'Callahan our client. And this is a preliminary major subdivision for a forelock subdivision at 90 Hancock road block 6 5 0 1 lot 12. And it's in the zone are 10. Um, I would like to swear my witness if I can and qualify Mr. Fletcher, so he could present our subdivision plan. Speaker 1 00:07:47 That's fine. Um, do you want to swear? Okay, Speaker 3 00:07:53 Mr. Fletcher, can you please raise your right hand? Do you swear that the testimony about to give will be the truth and nothing but the truth? Yes, I do. Can you please spell and state your name for the record? Speaker 7 00:08:06 Yes. Paul J. Fletcher, F L E T C H E Speaker 3 00:08:10 R. Thank you. Speaker 6 00:08:13 And Madam chair. Uh, our plan will be to have Mr. Fletcher talk about our subdivision plan. Uh, we've had the benefit of the division of engineering and planning memo, the DNR memo and the CME associates. So once Mr. Fletcher presents our plan to the board, we'd like to address the issues raised by the boards professionals and then address any questions the board or your professionals have if that's okay. Speaker 1 00:08:38 And it'll be fine. Thank you. Okay, Speaker 6 00:08:40 Paul, if you can just share with the board briefly your educational and professional background, so we can have you qualified please? Speaker 7 00:08:48 Yes. I have a bachelor of applied science and engineering from the university of Toronto. Uh, I'm the of Fletcher engineering. I'm a licensed professional engineer and professional planner in the state of New Jersey, uh, have been. So for over twenty-five years, I've appeared in front of the, uh, the Skyway board, uh, from previous, uh, meetings, uh, that appeared at approximately 20 to 30 different boards, uh, around, uh, Middlesex county, uh, Somerset Morris, uh, Monmouth county. Speaker 6 00:09:22 Thank you, Madam chair, if you have, if there's no objection, we'd like to offer him as an expert he's accepted. Thank you. Speaker 7 00:09:31 Thank you. Speaker 6 00:09:32 You would, uh, identify our first exhibit and I'll explain what it is and bring it up on, uh, shared by us or do we, Speaker 7 00:09:45 Uh, I'm on my phone. I'm afraid I can't, uh, uh, share, uh, I can, uh, give testimony about the, uh, uh, preliminary major subdivision plans that he prepared and submitted to the board, which I would assume each member has a copy of. Speaker 6 00:10:04 And Laura, is that possible? How do, how can we bring that up? Can that be brought up on your end is enough to come up from us. It has to come from you. I don't have it scanned in. Okay, Mr. Barlow, is this, is that around? Speaker 2 00:10:20 I mean, if he, if he's not offering any new exhibit, he's just offering the plans, which we have, if he wants to reference them, w we have the plans, but if he wants to bring up any exhibits on the share the screen, it's the applicant's obligation. I have them ready to go. Speaker 6 00:10:39 My apologies. There's nothing new. That's not in front of the board right now at your desks. So Paul, if you would introduce what you're going to discuss and explain what we have in front of you, Speaker 7 00:10:50 Certainly the subject property, it's known as a lot 12 and block X 5 0 1, it's commonly known as 90 Hancock road. It is a, uh, parcel on the, uh, south side of Hancock road. It previously was a swim club. Uh, it was improved with a, uh, uh, some structures, a large parking lot and a swimming pool. Uh, these structures and twinkle have since been demolished. Um, applicant proposes to subdivide the property into a four building lots, each lot will be fully conforming to the R 10 zone standards. Uh, the subject property is, uh, uh, impacted by, uh, freshwater wetlands, uh, and also a freshwater wetlands buffer. Uh, we originally had presented a five lot subdivision, but because of the constraints of the wetlands, we reduced it to four lots. Uh, we, uh, I've been working with, uh, an environmental consultant, Mr. Vincent pre-vis, uh, who's been dealing with the DEP, uh, we're very close to obtaining all our, uh, permits necessary. We previously received a letter of interpretation. Uh, we will certainly provide these documents and permits, uh, to the professionals support. We are, uh, extremely confident we've been told in fact, uh, that the, uh, the layout of the boards on the plans now, uh, will be approved by the DEP. Speaker 7 00:12:42 Uh, there will be four single family dwellings. Uh, each home will have a two car garage. Uh, it'd be for off street parking spots. Uh, RSIs standards require two and a half for dwelling units. So we're well in excess of that, uh, we are, uh, in conformance with all of the RSIs, uh, standards. Uh, we are not considered a major development or less than an acre of disturbance, uh, less than a five or less than a quarter acre of new impervious. In fact, we were actually reducing the amount of impervious on a site. Uh, it's going from typically reducing it by about, by about 5,000 square feet. So we will actually be, uh, reducing the amount of stormwater runoff, uh, by the introduction of this development and the removal of the swim club with its larger, uh, asphalt parking lot, basically Richard, that's what I wanted to bring to the board's attention. We have the reports, uh, professionals, uh, I reviewed them all. Uh, here we can comply with all the requirements. Uh, Speaker 6 00:14:06 Paul, thank you. Um, specifically Madam chair, uh, the memorandum from the engineering planning division, uh, originally September 24th, 2019 revised on June eight. Uh, applicant has no objection to any of those, um, additional conditions, uh, the CME report, uh, similarly the applicant can comply. Um, we note there is one small waiver that is weight, uh, raised in, um, the report with respect to, um, street trees versus flowering trees. And there was one waiver and we'd asked the board to accept that. Um, and there were only two other issues in the CMU. Uh, I'm sorry. The DNR report of June 1st, 2021, um, applicant agrees to comply with the conditions and requests. Uh, we do not believe item 15 with respect to a logistics plan would be applicable to a four lot subdivision. The applicant's intention is not to commence construction of four dwellings at once, but this would be a slower process of just one home being developed, built, sold, and then moving into the second unit in third unit from there. Speaker 6 00:15:21 So we don't believe the logistics plan would be required. Um, similarly in 16 B um, the presence of utility representatives at a pre-development meeting, again for the very same reason, uh, this will really be a one lot subdivision after a one lot subdivision after one lot. So we don't know that that would be required. Uh, if the, uh, uh, professionals think it is then we could certainly comply, but we don't, we don't think it would be. Um, and the only other item in the DNR report would be item if I'm sorry, 16 H with respect, with video inspection of the SEP, uh, the sewer line, um, for the same reason, it's a very small subdivision with one lot at a time. And so we don't know that that would be appropriate in this context. Um, the balance of the report the applicant will comply with. And, uh, finally the CME report of June four. Um, we are in agreement, um, with the compliance, with other plans assessment in that report, uh, the planning comments we have no issue with. Um, and the only issue is that waiver on the trees and otherwise the applicant has no objections and will comply Speaker 2 00:16:43 Like booster Magellan, if I can just to go back and to make sure I understand exactly what the applicant is seeking with regards to that street tree issue. Are you talking about seven I and their proposed purple leaf plum tree? Is that what you're referencing? Speaker 6 00:17:01 That's correct. And I don't know what that is, but, uh, there was a reference that we need a waiver from a shade tree versus the, um, purple leaf plum that is proposed and on our plan. Speaker 2 00:17:12 Well, w what I would propose is if the board were to act favorably on the application, that the applicant would agree to work with Mr. Hinter Stein, the municipalities landscape architect to resolve any, and all landscaping issues agreed. He doesn't want a purple leaf plum, and he wants a yellow, something. The applicant will abide by his, uh, his findings. Okay. Speaker 6 00:17:39 Mr. Barlow, no objection. I know all those trees, so I, we would agree to that. Speaker 2 00:17:44 I am not an UN whatever horticulturist, I guess I'll Mr. Interesting, Speaker 6 00:17:50 Madam chair, Mr. Godly. Um, I, along with Mr. , I am a landscape architect as well. And the reason that, uh, you know, I made that suggestion, uh, to substitute the purple leaf plum as a street tree, is it, the branching is very, very low and you would not be able to park a vehicle, uh, on the street as that tree got a little older. Uh, it is not an ideal street tree as, as well. So, um, I agree with Mr. Barlow, please work with Mr. to find an acceptable, uh, street tree for that location. Speaker 2 00:18:36 Applicant would agree to that. Okay. And then just only to the DNR report with regards to S 15, it says if the engineering supervisor requires a logistics plan. So again, my recommendation would be that you work with the engineering supervisor. If he says, look, based on the extent of his construction we needed, or just explained that the applicant would comply. If working with the engineering supervisor, he's in agreement as is ENR. Look, this is, I understand how you're approaching this construction. We don't need to do that, that you would work with the boards or the boroughs professionals, the township professionals to, um, either comply with it, or if they agree that it's not needed, then that would be their recommendation. Speaker 6 00:19:28 Applicants is fine Speaker 2 00:19:29 With that. Okay. And the same with 16 B um, if at the pre-construction meeting, the supervisor of engineering says, look now because of the way that the utilities are there, they need to be here, that you would agree to that. And if he says, look, you're right, we don't need them, but you'll abide by the supervisor of engineering's recommendation. Uh, great. Um, I think that O H um, again, that, that I would leave up to the supervisor of engineering, uh, fee requires that you're going to have to deal with no objection. Okay. I think that was all the potential issues. And as long as you're willing to work with the townships professionals, that could be a condition of approval. Speaker 6 00:20:18 Okay. That's acceptable to the applicant. If the board finds it acceptable. Speaker 1 00:20:22 Thank you. Uh, any other the board, does the board have any other questions of this witness? Okay. Um, can we open that up to the public? Um, Ms. Buckley? Speaker 6 00:20:42 I don't see anyone raising their hands. Madam chair. Speaker 1 00:20:44 Thank you. Close to the public. Speaker 8 00:20:50 How can you see somebody raising their hands? Speaker 1 00:20:52 Yeah, because on the bottom of the screen, it says raise band and you played the button. Okay. Speaker 8 00:20:57 All right. So let's click this, right. We just clicked it. So you have a hand raised. Speaker 1 00:21:01 Okay. Well, but then with sir, would you please, um, give us your name and, um, between, Speaker 8 00:21:08 Okay. My name is . Speaker 1 00:21:14 What's your address, Mr. Hood Speaker 8 00:21:16 89 Hancock road, obviously in Piscataway. Zip is oh, 8, 8, 5 4. Speaker 1 00:21:25 We swear. Her name is, Speaker 3 00:21:28 Um, can you please raise your right hand? Do you swear that the testimony about to give with you truth and nothing but the truth? Speaker 1 00:21:34 Absolutely. Thank you, sir. Your question, Speaker 8 00:21:37 But I just have a couple of questions. I'm here with my neighbor across the street, Beverly Crockett, and I think we have some similar questions that we'd like to get some clarification on. Uh, number one, does it meet the zoning as far as enough space to build four houses on there and what will the setbacks be on the houses? Speaker 6 00:22:00 I could, if I could respond to our neighbor, uh, this is a conforming application. So the applicant is not requesting any variances of any kind from setbacks or lot size. It's a fully conforming lot. Speaker 8 00:22:14 Okay. Thank you. Speaker 1 00:22:16 Oh, I have a question. Oh, go ahead. All right. Give us, give us your name. Ma'am um, and your address, last name. Thank you. My name is Beverly clock-in. Last name, C R O C K E T T. Address 1, 2 8 Hancock road, scholarly, New Jersey. Oh 8 8 5. Thank you. Speaker 3 00:22:39 Can you please raise your right hand? Do you swear the testimony about to give we the truth and nothing but the truth? Speaker 1 00:22:45 Yes, ma'am. Thank you. We go forward. Can I just get the spelling of your last name? A little slower? Sure. It's Crockett C like Charlie R like a lodger. Oh, like an Oscar C, like Charlie K like in kingdom. He like an ever T like in Tom T like in Tom. Perfect. Thank you. You're welcome, Pam. You may ask her a question of this witness. Okay. It was my understanding that the end of that lot, and there was a paper street that was supposed to be running through. Is that paper street still there. And is that street going to be made into a paved road? Paul, if I don't have a duty, I don't know what the dimensions are. I don't know, but you know exactly where the lock-ins and you know, where it begins, but I I'm interested in that street as far as sewage and drainage goes, where is this water going to run through? That is really wetlands and I'm interested. I don't like, I want to make sure that there's no flooding on my property. Speaker 7 00:23:52 If I could answer that question. Uh, Paul Fletcher here, the, uh, the paper street, uh, will not be improved at all. And we're not part of that, uh, paper street. Uh, secondly, uh, you are, uh, uphill from our property. Uh, the water, the drains will go to a Hancock load and go in the opposite direction to where your houses, Speaker 1 00:24:21 Oh, someone's going towards the end of the street, whatever street. Yeah. There's this well, that's part that's on my property. Right? Um, so at th at this time I have another question. We're talking about five homes. Okay. Four, four homes. And you mentioned a two car garage. When else will this house encompass? I mean, what, what's the quality of it? You're talking quantity, but what is the quality of these homes? Speaker 7 00:24:55 Well, there are two story colonials. Each one will have a different facade. Each one is a different model. Leave it'll fit in nicely with the, Speaker 1 00:25:05 What is it? Excuse me. What is this? What would be the, Speaker 7 00:25:13 I believe it's between 25 and 2,800 square feet. Speaker 1 00:25:18 Okay. So that, so it's comparable to the neighborhood. In other words? Yes. Okay. Speaker 7 00:25:24 It will certainly not dwarf the neighborhood. The houses are 42 feet wide, 41 and a half 42. So they're not oversized. Speaker 1 00:25:38 All right. Do they have basements or not? Speaker 7 00:25:40 They do not have basements. Speaker 1 00:25:42 Okay. So they're going to be built on slabs. Yes. Speaker 7 00:25:45 Slab on grade a, the water table is quite high in this, in this area. Speaker 1 00:25:50 Why it is, it is, it is. I have a basement, so that, that's why I know, but I'm built higher. I had to bring in, you know, uh, landfill to make my house higher so that I would not have flooding. That's not okay. Because it makes the record confusing. Okay. All right. Okay, Ms. Crabby, you may continue. You have any other questions? Um, well, no, I was. So what is the setback from the street, or are you aware of that? Speaker 7 00:26:31 Yes. Uh, the houses are set back, uh, a minimum of 35 feet from the property line, which would be about 40 feet from the curb line. Speaker 1 00:26:44 So that's not very far how deep are these lots of running? Speaker 7 00:26:49 Uh, they range from a, a little bit from a hundred to three, uh, down to Honda, a hundred 0.3. Speaker 1 00:27:01 And when you said the house is like 40, 40 feet deep and like 41 feet wide or something like that? Speaker 7 00:27:10 Yes, we're complying with the required front yard setback with 35 feet. And also the required rear yard setback of 25. Speaker 1 00:27:21 I have a quick question. As far as curb appeal goes, and you were talking about trees and, and the, the height of the tree. So it doesn't hit the telephone lines, or what have you, does the build you're planning on leveling all of the trees there, or was he going to build more trees or plant more trees? As far as curb appeal goes, Speaker 7 00:27:42 Uh, he'll be saving as many as he can, uh, lesser it actually in the footprint of the house or too close to the house. Uh, he will be adding street trees and, uh, foundation plantings, and there will be some trees I added as well. Speaker 1 00:27:57 Okay. Is the waterline brought down on that side of the street or are they connecting to the waterline on the other side? The waterline is there, is that, is that correct? Speaker 7 00:28:05 There is an existing waterline. Yes, it is on the same side as it's as the street, Speaker 1 00:28:13 Because he planned on putting in Kirby. Yes. Well, that's going to look odd. We don't, we don't, we don't have curves on Hancock road, Speaker 7 00:28:23 Ms. Curb across the street from us. Speaker 1 00:28:26 There is a wreck concrete, a concrete cur, You know? Okay. Thank you so much. You're welcome. So we will be, we will be kept informed of what's what the timetable is and when he starts, when he plans to build and so on and so forth, Speaker 2 00:28:50 There's no, the timetable for when he builds his, is if it's approved, Speaker 1 00:29:00 I was kind of sad because this sounds like it's a big deal Speaker 2 00:29:02 Is, but no, the nobody's that hasn't been discussed or voted on, but if it's, if it's approved, then there's other steps that the applicant has to take the comply with the resolution before their lever be allowed to put shovel in the ground. But there is no, there's no note. There's no notice requirement that on April 1st at nine o'clock is when the construction is going to start. If that's what you're asking. Speaker 1 00:29:32 Well, I was just, I was just interested in a timetable, whether we're going to see a construction crew down there in August or September or October, November, you know, I wish I was just wondering if it's approved, as you say Again. Thank you. Thank you. Madam chair. We have a William Ball with his hand up. Okay. Mr. Ball. Speaker 9 00:30:01 I had a follow-up on the burglary. Speaker 1 00:30:04 Can't hear, but give us your name, spell your last name and give us your address please. Speaker 9 00:30:09 Okay. William Ball, B a L L seven seven Handcock road. Speaker 3 00:30:17 Okay. Can you please raise your right hand? Do you swear that the testimony you're about to give nothing but the truth? Yes. Speaker 9 00:30:24 Thank you. Speaker 9 00:30:28 Yes, I'm right across the street from the center 90. And, um, my question is will there be a sidewalk put in and, um, I think I saw it on the plan that there will be a sidewalk on the opposite side for me. And so my question is, will there be one on my side? And, uh, the curbing currently only extends to 67 Hancock, um, or the house next to me, I'm right in the middle at 77. And there is no curve there directly in front of my house. So will the curbing and sidewalk be installed on both sides or only the, um, you know, the 90 Hancock side Speaker 7 00:31:10 I can answer? Yes. The verb only be installed on, uh, the subject property, 90 Hancock side. There will be a sidewalk, uh, across the full frontage of the property. On, on, on the opposite side of the street to your, your form, your house, no curb installed or no sidewalks installed on, on your side of the street. Speaker 9 00:31:33 Okay. Well, will it be widened at all? Speaker 7 00:31:36 Actually, yes. The road because of the curbing will be widened approximately five feet, five feet after payment. Speaker 9 00:31:52 Okay. Okay. Thank you. And, uh, my wife, Margaret has some follow-up questions. Speaker 1 00:31:56 Yeah. Margaret Margaret Ball, uh, also at 77 Hancock road. Just a couple more quick questions. Speaker 3 00:32:03 I need you to raise your right hand. Yes. Um, do you swear that the testimony about to give will be the truth and nothing but the truth? Speaker 1 00:32:10 I do. Um, I just, um, bill already asked about the curbing. Um, we already have a lot of water that collects in the front of our house. I mean, we're, we're right across the street from, you know, the higher level ground Wynwood. Um, and I know they're doing all the Belgium block and the rest of the Wynwood section, but I'm concerned because I'm the curbing ends right at the end of our property. Um, the two newer houses to our right, but the three of us, the three houses to the left, um, and the street, I have no curbing and it's extremely wet already, um, when there's rain. So if there's curbing on the other side with the higher ground, I'm, I'm really concerned about how wet the front of our house will be. I didn't know. Um, if, if there's any proposal from the municipality that they're going to do, Belgium blocking like the rest of the neighborhood that there's doing concurrently, whether we're going to eventually get, um, Belgium blocking in the front of the, our three houses. Speaker 1 00:33:06 Cause we could be neglected down here at our road is a mess. Um, but I know we're probably going to be one of the last ones improved upon unless the builder has to paved our section of the road, which is going to eliminate anybody ever addressing our three houses for Belgium blocking. And we're going to be constantly, um, underwater, you know, with the front of our houses. So I I'm just concerned about that cause we are so wet right here already. So I didn't know if anything could be done about curbing for those three of us, the three houses across the street. Cause we're going to be affected, I think quite a bit by the drainage it's deflect. Or do you have an answer to response to that question or anyone? Speaker 7 00:33:50 I, I, I would like to answer that question. The curb that we introduced on our side, uh, will, uh, provide a gutter line. Uh, any flows on the south side of Hancock will not be going over the center line of the road. It will stay in the gutter lines, uh, and flow towards the end of the street. Uh, so the, the development of this project, uh, should have no, uh, detrimental effect to the, uh, to the owners of the properties on the, uh, north side of Hancock. Uh, there's a, there's a crown to the road. Uh, so the water was stay on our side. Um, the, I would suggest that, uh, perhaps bringing this to the council's attention would be the appropriate place. Uh, it's certainly not an obligation for, uh, this, uh, developer or applicant to be, uh, constructing curbing, uh, offsite. Speaker 1 00:34:55 No, I agree with you on that. I just, why I'm asking, because it does involve that we could be neglected in the future from future Belgium block that everybody else will be getting. So that's not up to you, but you will be paving this section of the road, I guess when you put the curbing in, I imagine Speaker 7 00:35:09 We will be mailing to the center line and repaving yesterday. Speaker 1 00:35:13 Okay. Thank you, Ms. Buckley, are there any other, um, members of the Speaker 0 00:35:19 Public Mosher five, Speaker 1 00:35:23 Mr. Mosher, Speaker 0 00:35:27 Your four, sorry. My Roman numerals, Speaker 10 00:35:34 Uh, Thomas Thomas Mosier 93 Hancock Scott away. Speaker 1 00:35:39 Thank you. Just spell your last name. Speaker 10 00:35:43 M O S I E R. Thank Speaker 1 00:35:47 You, Ms. Sanders, Speaker 3 00:35:48 Can you please raise your right hand? Do you swear that the testimony about to give, be the truth and nothing but the truth? Speaker 10 00:35:55 I Speaker 1 00:35:56 Thank you. Thank you. You may ask your question. Speaker 10 00:35:59 I think it's somewhat disingenuous to indicate that the impervious material will be lessened by this division since the parking lot was never pay you in the 50 years that I've been here. So I do think that that's somewhat disingenuous because there will definitely be water runoff. Um, that's a, that's a comment. My second point is which way will the road be widened five feet towards the opposite side of your development or Ord your development? Speaker 7 00:36:31 It will be widened towards our side Speaker 10 00:36:34 Towards your side. Yes. Um, my second question is that, um, you are curb blind will run, uh, to the north. Is there any plans to tie in storm water runoff to the current system that's in the ground to facilitate the, uh, the water flowing down to I presume, uh, Ambrose study rock instead of letting it puddle at the bottom of opera? Speaker 7 00:37:03 Well, uh, one of the stipulations in the engineering report on the, uh, Africa courts was to, uh, provide additional information, uh, at the intersection, uh, at the end of the road to ensure that, uh, that situation happens. So we'll be working with the engineers to ensure that, uh, uh, it's not a problem. Speaker 10 00:37:30 I don't know what that means is in the plan now or no, Speaker 7 00:37:34 Th there's no, uh, there's nothing in the plan right now to introduce new storm sewer systems. Speaker 10 00:37:42 So what are we going to do with all that water that you indicated to miss bowl is going to, uh, travel along your gutter line? What what's going to happen to it? Speaker 7 00:37:51 Uh, there's a, uh, there's a stream at the end. Uh, Speaker 10 00:37:59 There's a, Speaker 7 00:38:02 Well, it's a swale, I guess you'd call it Speaker 10 00:38:04 The ditch. Oh no, it's a wetland. It's a wetland. Speaker 7 00:38:09 So Speaker 10 00:38:10 The water that we're going to run down, your subdivision is going to make it worse. Hello, Speaker 7 00:38:20 I'm here. Speaker 6 00:38:21 Well, maybe it's helpful. And Mr. Mosher raises a fair question. The division of planning and, uh, engineering and planning in their report in paragraph five, um, requires that the necessary steps be taken to ensure that water does not collect at the intersection and that the appropriate grading exists in this area, which is wetlands. So the staff has raised that concern that you're raising. So, uh, they require that the applicant ensure that that is not a problem, and that'll be part of our final subdivision approval and the calculations and the evidence that that will not happen will be part of the final plan. But we do have to comply with that. And you're to address your point directly. Speaker 10 00:39:09 I do. I ensure that that's direct, that that's, uh, that that's complied with before, uh, the board votes. Speaker 6 00:39:16 They will not approve Speaker 10 00:39:18 Very easily. It's very easy to say it as we sit here and then when the, when the houses are built and the water is down and there's a frozen ice skating ponds and, and big ponds of water down there, then it's too late. Um, Speaker 6 00:39:32 That's a fair question. And, and the report, and as I had indicated earlier on the applicant agrees to comply with the conditions in the division to report, and we need to make the, the municipal engineer, uh, satisfied that the problem you're concerned with will not happen. So we will not get final subdivision approval until we do that. Uh, prior to construction to it will not be an after construction issue. It'll be before we get final subdivision, which is of course, well, before we would ever get construction permits to build a single house. Speaker 10 00:40:13 Um, do you know, in the conversations with the township, uh, which way the road will eventually eventually be widened as they're redoing all the roads in this area of the town now, um, and in which way that the road would be widened, uh, you're saying you're giving a five feet, so would that run all the way up? Uh, what is the west side of Hancock road or, uh, is it, is it coming, uh, to the opposite side of that? Uh, you may know, but I just inquiring as to how that would look, Speaker 7 00:40:49 Uh, we're only concerned with the road in front of our property. I'm not aware of the towns have plans for any other section of Hancock. Speaker 10 00:41:06 Okay. Since we can't see the site plans on, on this meeting, uh, where does the first house, um, began, uh, North of, uh, the Crockett's, um, property? Speaker 7 00:41:29 The first house is about 85 feet north of, uh, our south property line. Speaker 10 00:41:42 So ask her place as the, the roadway, which, uh, TES Hancock road. It would be to the north of that. Speaker 7 00:41:49 Yes. 85 Speaker 10 00:41:50 Feet, 85 feet. Uh, is it the center line of Astor place? Speaker 7 00:41:55 No, the, uh, right away line lead sideline, Speaker 10 00:42:01 The sideline of the Crockett property. Speaker 7 00:42:05 And I couldn't believe the Crockett property. Uh, it looks like 50 feet further south from our property lines. Speaker 10 00:42:17 So we're talking about 130, some odd feet from the Crocket property line? Correct. Okay. So the house that you took off of the subdivision would have been in that 135 feet. Can I assume that Speaker 7 00:42:35 Yes. Okay. Speaker 10 00:42:38 Uh, that's all the questions I have for. Thank Speaker 1 00:42:41 You. Thank you, Ms. Maria. Speaker 10 00:42:43 Thank you for your time, Speaker 1 00:42:46 Ms. Buckley, are there any more people in the public? We have questions. Speaker 0 00:42:50 Um, the first people, again, I don't know if they're allowed to speak twice. Speaker 1 00:42:55 Well, see if there's anyone who hasn't spoken so far. Okay. Well, we'll allow them to short a period of time. So to make another comment, who Speaker 0 00:43:08 Is it? Ron T 2016. Mr. Hall. Yes. So I don't know, I guess up here, there, Mr. Hub. Yes. Did you have another question? Speaker 8 00:43:40 No, I do not just my concern about the storm sewers. Oh, okay. Speaker 0 00:43:45 Could you raise your hands? And we weren't sure. Speaker 8 00:43:48 Well, as I said, maybe, maybe you didn't hear me or whatever, but, uh, I want to echo my, my neighbors concerned about the drainage on the property it's considerably higher than the street is, and we believe you're going to need storm sewers to control the flow of, of a storm water, no matter what your calculations say. We've been living here for, uh, close to 40 years and we kind of know the lay of the land. Thank you. Speaker 1 00:44:16 Thank you. If there are no men, any more questions? No more questions from the public. We close this portion of the question. Speaker 10 00:44:24 Can I ask one more question, Mr. Mosher, 93 handcuff. Speaker 1 00:44:29 Yes. One more question, Mr. Motion, you were already exploring, uh, will, um, will there be any sump pumps on these properties on the slabs? There will not close to the public. Uh, now, uh, the board, do we have any other followup questions for this witness? Okay. Mr. Mon jelly. Do you have any other witnesses? We do not want, Speaker 6 00:45:00 I don't share. Um, if there's no questions from the board, we would submit the application for the board's consideration. Speaker 1 00:45:07 Thank you. Thank you. Board members. You've heard the application and the witness in support of this application. Um, do we have emotion or any comments? Speaker 5 00:45:24 Madam chair, Reverend Kenny, uh, this app application seems to be intact providing that the applicant complies with the city engineers in regards to this project on these four homes. Uh, I meant compliance, uh, with it. Uh, I see no reason why they cannot go through with this providing as they work with the engineers in regards to the water storm, water runoff and, and, uh, various different, uh, comments that were made in regards to the widening of the street and the curb curbing of this property, providing that they're in compliance and agree with, as they said, stated earlier, they are in agreement and replant need of the proper trees for that property. Uh, I make a motion that this applicant moves forward. Speaker 1 00:46:26 Thank you, Mr. Reverend Kenny. Um, you've heard Mr. Reverend Kennedy's, uh, motion. Do I have a second? Hmm. Hmm. It's an interference there. Was that a second? Yes. Oh, thank you. Would you give the roll call? Um, Ms. Bucklin? No. Speaker 0 00:47:05 Yes. Hence woman. Speaker 1 00:47:10 Yes. Speaker 0 00:47:11 Ms. Corcoran. Yes. Ms. Saunders? Yes. Reverend Kenny. Speaker 1 00:47:20 Yes. Thank you, Mr. Joe. Thank you. Ma'am Speaker 6 00:47:24 And members of the board and the professionals. Thank you for your time. Thank you very much. Speaker 1 00:47:36 Uh, next, the next item on the agenda is 1221, PB 16 slash 17, V as in Victor Cleo, LLC, preliminary and final site plan, Speaker 6 00:47:53 Madam chair, Bob Smith, licensed attorney in the state of New Jersey, uh, representing Cleo by way of background. Uh, Cleo was previously before the, uh, Piscataway planning board in 2019 under applications, uh, 19 PBO five and 19 PB oh six V uh, received approval at that time, uh, at, at that time, the standard request of the township for, uh, right of way, and for sidewalks or conditions of approval and have been subsequently installed, uh, Cleo, uh, makes food products, uh, that are yogurt based. And, um, we're here tonight for an amendment to their prior approval to allow for a new transformer and six condensers. And what that's all about is cooling refrigeration. Uh, the great news is Cleo is very successful and they're employing a bunch of people. And as a result, they want to make sure that their product is well refrigerated and, uh, wholesome, yada yada, yada. Speaker 6 00:49:13 So, um, were here before you tonight for preliminary and final site plan approval. And originally when we came to the staff, we were seeking, uh, three variances, uh, one of which required all outdoor mechanical equipment, uh, screened or, uh, fenced, and, uh, tonight where, uh, removing that request for a variance. We're very happy to screen it with fencing as my engineer will describe. Uh, secondly, uh, the, as you know, the town in between the 2019 approval and 2021 adopted an ordinance that requires, uh, charging stations for hopefully what's going to be the, uh, the oncoming wave of electric vehicles in the state of New Jersey. Uh, there would be a requirement for three charging stations. Originally, there was a discussion of requesting a variance, but our client, uh, realized that in the best interest of society, that it was a good idea to do the three charging stations. Speaker 6 00:50:26 So tonight we're putting on the record that we are doing the three charging stations, we would like to have a year to work it out with the staff, what the location should be, et cetera, but we're agreeing to it. And as a result, there's no request for a variance. So why are we requesting? And the answer is we're requesting a parking variance based on Piscataway standards, which I have been constructively critical in the past that they are a little on the wild side. Uh, we are required to have 302 parking spaces. We're proposing 118. And as Mr. Omen will explain, and what the board previously approved in 2019 was essentially the same variance. And this variance is actually now a little bit more conforming. So, um, that in a nutshell is what we're up to. Um, we did submit to the board staff and I believe to Mr. Barlow, the necessary jurisdictional documents to acquire, uh, to allow you to move forward with this. Uh, I'd ask if Mr. Marlowe has had a chance to review them, and if we're properly before the board Speaker 12 00:51:40 And you are, Speaker 6 00:51:40 Sir, thank you so much. So we have only one witness or witnesses Mr. Greg Allman, who, uh, you've seen on many occasions, these are professional engineer. I'd asked them to be called and sworn so that you can give testimony. Mr. Allen, would you come for the industry name? Speaker 12 00:52:00 Gregory yeoman. O M a N. Speaker 3 00:52:03 Okay. Mr. Almonds. Oh, do you swear that the testimony about to give him the truth and nothing but Speaker 12 00:52:08 The truth? Yes, I do. Speaker 6 00:52:10 Thank you. And Ms. Roman for the record by whom are you employed? And in what capacity Speaker 12 00:52:15 I am the president and owner of Menlo engineering associates have been employed by Menlo engineering for over 20 years. Now am a licensed professional engineer in the state of New Jersey now for approximately 19 years and also licensed in the state of pencils. Speaker 6 00:52:30 Right. And you've been accepted by this board in the past. And I don't want to ask how many times, but I'll make a bet at least 200 or more. Speaker 12 00:52:38 It's a lot, Speaker 6 00:52:40 It's a lot. So I'd actually be accepted as a PE for purposes of testimony tonight is accepted. Thank you, Madam chair. All right. Uh, Mr. Roman, if you would describe the application to the board and, um, if you wouldn't mind deal with the issues that I just talked about in terms of the variances, Speaker 12 00:52:59 I do not have any exhibits. I'm just going to share my screen to basically just show the second sheet of the submitted engineering set it's entitled site plan dated April 28th. Uh, just basically just shows an overview of the property. The property in question is a 4.36 acre parcel identified by the township's tax map as blocked 93 0 1 lot 50.05. The site falls within the or light industrial district, the existing users, and what is being proposed tonight are permitted uses within the zone. The north arrow is pointing to the down and the bottom section of the sheet, the site is bound by fro to the, uh, north and existing manufacturing and industrial uses to the east west and south. The site is shown is fully developed, has two buildings located on site totaling 65,000, 153 square feet. And it has full movement driveways located at the Northeast and Northwest corners off of Ethel road west. Speaker 12 00:54:05 Uh, we were here as Mr. Smith had indicated to the board for a couple of previous applications for the site. The first one was for this particular applicant Cleo snacks in which they took the Northern portion of the Northern building or the building closest to Ethel road in which they received approval for approximately 32,710 square feet. And as part of that application, we were required to bring the site up to ADA standards. We added some ADA parking at the Northwest end, the, uh, Southwest end and between the two buildings to bring it into compliance, add to the ADA ramps and some of the crosswalks, uh, again, to bring it up to standards. We also included a new transformer located at the Northern corner of that building as the electric demand of for key, uh, Cleo's operations were, were pretty high. So he needed a new transformer where he brought that into the property. Speaker 12 00:55:01 After that application, a secondary application came in for the rear portion of the Southern building at the time, uh, I believe the applicant was entitled healthy meals in which they were onsite for a, for a year or two. They are no longer within this facility now. And what Cleo is looking at doing is basically taking that same exact square footage that was previously approved for that tenant, which totals 19,358 square feet, where we're looking at doing the site improvements are in two locations adjacent to the building, to the Southern side of the building. We are looking at installing six condensers. These are three feet and with, by six feet in depth, they're approximately four feet in height. And what these condensers do is exactly what Mr. Smith indicated. They helped with refrigeration. What Cleo is looking to do for a majority of this portion of the building is to refrigerate and store their product prior to them being loaded onto a truck, uh, Jason, for the loading docks here, and then shipped off to the stores where, where they can be sold, uh, to the public. Speaker 12 00:56:05 We are proposing to put a fence around these. We will work with staff on the color and the type of fence I'm envisioning a solid fence that will kind of separate it from the drive out just to the south. The second area of where we're proposing an improvement is we're burning two parking stalls located at the Northern end of this building to include a new transformer. That again, is going to provide a necessary electrical feed to this facility for their operations. Now, the original proposal had a requirement based on the breakdown of parking for healthy meals of 307 parking stalls required where 120 were proposed. And at that time that was a deficit of approximately 187 stalls, uh, testimony was provided to the board based on the current usage. We have a indoor rec area pump it up, which primarily happens in the afternoon and nighttime, and on the weekends when these operations typically aren't art going on or at their heaviest. Speaker 12 00:57:09 So at the time we had a deficit of 187 parking stalls, we are now losing these additional two parking stalls. So we're down to a proposed total of 118 stalls, but based on the reduction of office space by Cleo, because they do have some office space in their front building, the mathematics work out based on the township requirement for parking of 302 parking stall demand. So while we did lose two parking stalls, the demand went down by five. So overall we're at a deficit of 184 parking stalls. So we are still brand asking a variance from the board, but that variance was previously approved for three stalls, more, a short shortage. And what we're asking for tonight, uh, we've had the chance to review the review letters by CME and the engineering plan and dated May 25th of this year and guide you Sperry's letter of May 21st of this year. And we have no objections to agreeing to all the recommendations within those, uh, including the one that Mr. Gottlieb had made regarding the existing light fixtures onsite. We are proposing no changes to the lighting, but the light levels are a little excessive along the perimeter and the property line. So we will work with the property owner on installing some house side shields, uh, to help eliminate some of the light off the property. Speaker 2 00:58:32 Mr. Aman, can I ask you a quick question when you referenced the reports? I assume you're also, uh, in agreement with Mr. Henderson's May 25th, 2021 Speaker 12 00:58:42 Report. Yes, I am. Okay. Thank Speaker 2 00:58:44 You. Speaker 1 00:58:47 Any, Speaker 12 00:58:51 Anything else Mr. Ohman now that, that concludes my testimony. Okay. Mr. Romans available for questions. Speaker 1 00:59:02 Are there any questions from the board of this witness? No questions. Okay. We'll open it up to the public to see if they have any questions Ms. Buckley. Um, I need to have the exhibit taken down need. Speaker 0 00:59:23 Yeah, I figured that out. I don't see any one term. Speaker 1 00:59:27 Okay. Uh, close to the public. Um, Mr. Smith, you may want to give some awkward, if you have anything else to say, or you have another witness. Speaker 6 00:59:36 Well, first of all, you should never say to a lawyer. Is there anything more you want to say, because every single time we'll take you up on it, but the bottom line is this is a good company in Piscataway, clean industry, providing healthy snacks to, uh, citizens everywhere. Uh, it's succeeding in Piscataway and, um, they've been good corporate citizens. They provide at the sidewalks right of way. And then the ultimate truth is that this is a, uh, a nice little, uh, addition to that, uh, business. It's a good community citizen. And we would hope that the board would take that in consideration. The only thing we're asking for actually as a parking variance, and as Mr. Aman said, the parking variance actually is more conforming than the previous one that we gave. There's been no problem with parking on the site. So respectfully really thinks it's a nice clean application for the town, and we hope the board will approve it. Speaker 1 01:00:37 Thank you. Um, board members, you've heard this application and the witness, um, what's your pleasure, Speaker 0 01:00:49 Not a material. This is Councilwoman Cahill. And I would, um, like to make a motion that we approve the application based upon the applicant's agreement now to comply with, uh, um, the township's requests in terms of the electric stations, obviously the parking and everything that had been laid out by, um, um, Senator Smith and, um, Mr. Ohman, um, so I'm going to give my offer that it be approved. Speaker 1 01:01:23 Thank you. Do we have a second, Speaker 0 01:01:26 Second, Carol. Speaker 1 01:01:28 Thank you, Ms. Saunders, Ms. Buckley, would you please call the roll Speaker 0 01:01:33 Marijuana? Yes. Councilwoman Cahill. S Ms. Corporate. Yes. Ms. Saunders, sorry. My Dole. Yes. Speaker 6 01:01:54 Madam Madam chair for you might address the board. The, uh, as you can see, the nature of the application is, uh, in the category of other things. So we look at relatively a very, very small, uh, improvement to the property, but my client is anxious to get started on the, um, the, um, additional, uh, refrigeration capability, the site. So we've respectfully asked Mr. Barlow, if in the event, the board approved this, if we could go forward with a memorialized resolution, so that Cleo can go into the billing department and start getting building permits, Mr. Barela was kind enough to consent. Uh, and we ask if the board would consider a memorialized resolution of approval tonight, Speaker 2 01:02:44 Madam chair, I would concur with, uh, Mr. Smith's recommend, uh, recommendation. And I have the opportunity to share that with Ms. Buckley, which I believe she forwarded to the board members. Um, in case the board moved favorably on this application, I would just note, uh, there'll have to be one amendment to the proposed resolution, just putting in language that the board gave the applicant one year to comply with the electric vehicle stations without minor correction. Um, the board has a resolution, if it, if it wishes to adopt it this evening. Speaker 1 01:03:22 Ms. Sanders, do you have a copy of the resolution? Speaker 3 01:03:32 Sorry. Um, yes, I have a copy. Um, do you want me to do that right now? Yes, please. Okay. I like to memorialize, um, application 20 PV 16 slash 17 V Cleal, LLC, um, for preliminary and final site plan and both variant Speaker 1 01:03:51 Is this subject to the comments made by Mr. Barlow Speaker 3 01:03:54 Oh, subject to the comments made by Mr. Barlow. Speaker 1 01:03:57 And you do the second I'll second that Dawn. Thank you. Roll call please. Speaker 0 01:04:06 Yes, yes, yes, yes. Reverend Kenny and Madam chair. Speaker 1 01:04:16 Yes. Speaker 6 01:04:18 Thank you very much. Have a great 4th of July. You too. Bye bye. Now Speaker 1 01:04:25 We have another item on our agenda tonight. Uh, item number 13, discussion in need of, um, study for redevelopment of block 59 0 1 lot 3.23, also known as 10 constitution avenue. Um, Mr. Godly. Speaker 6 01:04:46 Yes. Madam chair. I'm going to present that to you this evening, um, as they, and, um, it's, my presentation is based upon a report that I believe you have that is dated April 21st, 2021 in the area in need of redevelopment study for 10 constitution, uh, avenue, which is also known as block 59 0 1 lot 3.23 in the scattered away. I'm going to try to make this a concise and get through the, um, the report so you can make a determination on it. We're going to follow the format of the report just to give you, I'm going to try to share my screen. Okay. And, uh, there we go. Speaker 6 01:05:53 Um, what you see before you is the Ariel and the location of the site, which I will describe shortly. I'm going to start with the overall purpose of this study. Um, back in December of 2020, uh, CME was asked, uh, by resolution 23 dash 360 4 2 to conduct conduct an area in need of redevelopment study for block 59 0 1 lot 3.23, to determine if the property meets the requirements, the statutory requirements, uh, to be determined in area, in need of redevelopment. Uh, those requirements are based on, uh, New Jersey and JSA 48, colon 12, a and it's, uh, the criteria, which is for the determination is 40 MJSA, 48, colon 12, a dash five. Uh, this area need study was conducted as a non condemnation area need study. And, uh, it's being presented to you for planning board review and recommendation. Now, as part of the whole determination process, as I said, previously, CME me was asked to, um, conduct in area in need of redevelopment study. Speaker 6 01:07:49 Um, and what the, what are the, what is required as part of this is that the planning board, uh, needs to re review this study to, uh, determine with whether or not the property is in fact in need of redevelopment. But if should the board determined that it is, uh, an area in need of redevelopment, they will make a recommendation to the township council. A township council can then determine whether or not they want to proceed with a, the preparation of a redevelopment plan. And then you should, the council determine that step to move forward with that step. The, uh, redevelopment plan would be coming back for review, uh, by the planning board. It is then it's a whole matter of steps that goes back and forth between the planning board and the council. Speaker 6 01:08:53 Now, I'm just going to briefly describe the area as you can see on your screens. I hope you all can see this. Um, the property is located, uh, at the turn on the, uh, east side of the turn of constitution avenue. Um, it is, it can, it is approximately 17.2 acres in size, and there is a, there is an existing two story building that is about 110,000 square feet in area. The, uh, planning board back in, uh, 2019, did approve a minor subdivision for this site and which separated this property into two lots. And, uh, many of you may know, and have seen there is currently a warehouse under construction on the, what is now the adjoining lot on constitution avenue. And that lot was approved for a 50,000 square foot office warehouse building the property again, is that on the east side of constitution avenue, it's surrounded by, um, warehouse and office uses to the north east and west to the, um, south is the Randolph Phil elementary school and further to the south is some, uh, on the other side of the Randolph elementary school is, um, uh, residential, single family, residential lots while to the north east is some township open space or open area that is, uh, associated around a branch of the Ambrose. Speaker 6 01:11:03 Brooke, just going to switch over to another map and just show you some of the potential environmental issues with the property, the property does contain, uh, freshwater wetlands. Uh, it has not been determined whether those wetlands, uh, will require transition areas, um, but they will need to, uh, any potential development or redevelopment to the property would require a wetland, uh, permits from the state of New Jersey. Additionally, there are some environmental issues on the property. There was some soil contamination that is currently under the, um, guidance and oversight of a LSRP. Um, doesn't seem to be too, uh, too significant of an issue. The DEP is also overseeing that, um, they also have other issues, a few other minor issues that are monitored by the, uh, DEP and the NJ EMS program, uh, for the site, many having to do with the ongoing activity in the building. Speaker 6 01:12:39 Uh, the, the existing building, as, as I stated before, is it does contain, uh, a hearing aid company. Um, the building is, is semi semi occupied, and a lot of that was due to the, um, pandemic. Um, but it, it appears that it's still after a site visit today. It's still appears to be under occupied, uh, the surrounding I'll flip to another, just to go over once again, some surrounding land uses, uh, and this just indicates by color-coding that the surrounding land uses are mostly, uh, industrial in nature with the exception of the Randall Ville elementary school to the south. Speaker 6 01:13:50 The current zoning of this property and the surrounding area is the light industrial five zone, which allows for a variety of, uh, industrial warehousing manufacturing, light manufacturing uses. Um, this could all change based upon, uh, a positive, uh, determinate, uh, an agreement with a determination as an area of need and the development of a redevelopment plan. The only other use of course, is the Randolph, uh, L Randall Ville elementary school, uh, to the south. The, the site currently, uh, meets the use requirements of the zone. Uh, now, as far as the master plan is concerned, there are some goals of the master plan and, uh, as well as laid out some of the goals of the master plan, uh, that this redeveloped, that this area need study reflects. And that was primarily the use of redevelopment as a tool to ensure the goals of the master plan or continued to be, uh, satisfied, met, and address, and those just creating opportunities for, to ensure the economic base of the township and to encourage a high quality commercial and industrial development. Speaker 6 01:15:55 The 2005, excuse me, the 2020 master plan re-examination report, uh, which was adopted in December of 2020, it enumerates the, uh, the, some of those planning assumptions, and it just kind of doubles doubles down on the use of redevelopment to, uh, to increase the use of older developed land parcels and buildings in the township, the state planning area, and the estate plan also applies in review of this area. And in that the, uh, the plan, the state plan designates the entirety of Paskataway within the PA one zone, which is the, uh, area within the state that encourages, uh, development and redevelopment to, uh, for the, the, um, increase the economy of the state, you know, as part of the redevelopment law under MJSA 48, 12, 8, the criteria that the determination is based on are eight separate things. And I beg your pardon, but just so we're clear, I'm gonna go through these, uh, verbatim, just to make sure that the, uh, that everyone is clear on what each of these criteria are. Speaker 6 01:17:58 Uh, the first or letter a, of the statutory criteria in letter a is the generality of buildings are substandard unsafe, unsanitary dilapidated, or obsolescent or possesses any of such characteristics were so lacking in light air or space has to be conducive to unwholesome living or working conditions. The second criteria is the discontinuance of the use of a building or buildings previously used for commercial retail, shopping malls, or Plaza, office parks, manufacturing, or industrial purposes, the abandonment of such building or buildings, significant vacancies of such building or buildings for at least two consecutive years, or the same being allowed to fall into so great estate of disrepair as to be untenable letter C. The third criteria is land that is owned by the municipality, the county, a local housing authority V development agency, or redevelopment entity, or unimproved vacant land that has remained. So for a period of 10 years prior to adoption of the resolution and that by reason of its location, remoteness lack of means of access to be developed sections or portions of the municipality or typography or nature of the soil is not likely to be developed through the ins to mentally of private capital D is the areas with buildings or improvements, which are by reason of dilapidation, obsolescence, overcrowding, faulty arrangement, or design, lack of ventilation, light, and sanitary facilities, access of land coverage to lecherous land use, or obsolete layout, or any combination of these or other factors are detrimental to the safety, health, morals, or welfare of the community, a growing lack or total lack of proper utilization of areas caused by the conditions of the title, diverse ownership of the real properties they're in or other similar conditions, which impede land assemblage or discourage the undertaking of improvements resulting in a stagnant and unproductive condition of land potentially useful and valuable for contributing to and serving the public health, safety, and welfare, which condition is presumed to be having a negative social or economic impact or otherwise being detrimental to the safety, health, morals, or welfare of the surrounding area, where the community in general areas, letter F is areas in excess of five continue contiguous acres, where on buildings or improvements have been destroyed, consumed by fire demolished or altered by the action of storm fire, cyclone, tornado, earthquake, or other casualty in such a way that the aggregate assessed value of the area has been materially depreciated letter G um, is in any municipality in which an enterprise zone has been designated pursuant to the New Jersey urban enterprise zones act PL 1983, C3 oh three C 52, colon 27 H dash 60 at CIC. Speaker 6 01:21:38 The execution of the actions prescribed in that act for the adoption by the municipality and approval by the area of the enterprise zone shall be considered sufficient for the determination that the area is in need of redevelopment. Uh, letter H the designation of the delineated area is consistent with smart growth planning principles adopted pursuant to law or regulation. And in addition to those eight statutory criteria, the redevelopment statute also expresses that a redevelopment area may include lands buildings or improvements, which themselves are not detrimental to the public health, safety or welfare, but the inclusion of which is found necessary with, or without changing their condition for the effective redevelopment of the area of which they are part of. Speaker 6 01:22:39 Oh, that's it for the criteria. We, then I then took a look as a process of the study, took a look at the, uh, analysis of the site. And some of the things that we determined, um, at the time was the building was only partially occupied. And it see, still seems to be underutilized by, uh, while there were more vehicles in the parking lot today, the parking was still vastly underutilized. The loading areas were obsolete and did not function in accordance with today's standards. The building appears to be obsolete it's, it's, uh, primarily office, um, with, you know, park again, partially occupied. The site has some dead end parking areas. There's also, uh, a lot of equipment and, um, dumpsters throughout the parking area, the, uh, the building has begun to deteriorate, and there was evidence, uh, during inspections of potential discoloring, discoloration of the, uh, the wa the exterior walls of the building, which very well could have been, not that I'm an environmental expert on this, but could potentially have been a development of mold. Speaker 6 01:24:24 Um, so also is incompatible towards, uh, ADA, uh, access. The most of the utilities are unscreened with, uh, equipment, again, just up against the building or out in the parking areas. There's also limited parking area. Uh, excuse me, limited public areas have no onsite amenities for the employees. The, uh, the landscaping and lighting are aging and deteriorating. The pavement is, uh, crumbling and cracked in many locations. Those are just some of the items that, uh, we saw with the site and really determined that, uh, the layout is obsolete. The building has quite a bit of, uh, upgrades to be conducted as outlined in the study, uh, for potential, for any potential reuse. And in conclusion, based upon these factors, uh, it's, we've determined that the a D and H criteria have been satisfied as part of this. Speaker 6 01:25:54 Now, what that means is under the eight criteria, that is the generality of the buildings. They're seeing that the condition is somewhat substandard could be unsafe and unsanitary dilapidated. Uh, the building in the S uh, the study, the, the existing building is, uh, doesn't have proper, uh, pedestrian circulation. Connections does not have sufficient public areas, uh, potential of, uh, hazardous materials such as that, uh, mold and potential, and then the need for potential need for any as, as abatement. Um, also lends us to believe that it meets the, the, uh, criteria, the, a criteria, the letter D criteria, the, uh, the site based upon the condition of the parking area, the condition of the, um, the utilities on the site, the condition of the landscaping, the lighting, and other factors that appear that the site is deteriorating. And the layout is obsolete makes us believe that the D criteria is applicable as well. Speaker 6 01:27:46 And finally, we believe that the age criteria applies as well for the simple reason that Piscataway is within the PA one planning area of the state development and redevelopment plan. And, and based on that, the area is smart growth designated, and it does encourage the use of redevelopment, uh, and it would in Vance the specific smart growth planning, prince, uh, planning goals of the state development and redevelopment plan in, in conclusion, uh, our report, our report finds that the criteria a D N H, uh, to apply to this and that, uh, should the board agree that, uh, based upon this, that the, uh, area should be, uh, designated an area in need of redevelopment, non condemnation. Uh, I'll be happy to answer any further questions for you. I apologize for my long-winded newness. Speaker 1 01:29:10 No problem. Um, board members report. Yes, I think so. Uh, you heard Mr. Godwin's report, um, open to the board for comment, Speaker 5 01:29:26 Uh, Madam chair, Reverend Kenny, Speaker 1 01:29:31 Yes. Mr. Yes. Reverend Kenny, you make, Speaker 5 01:29:34 Yes. I'd like to, uh, first of all, thank, uh, uh, Mr. Steven doc Lee, and a very fine extensive report in regards to the readout, uh, redo redevelopment process that he went through. He, uh, did an excellent job and the criteria of that building, especially being in a state zone that, uh, that we are in Piscataway is in, and we certainly don't want a piece of property like that. Uh, in the zone area, it makes the township look bad and, uh, we can do bedrooms, is that, and, uh, this definitely meets the, uh, non condemnation, uh, uh, area for this to be re developed, uh, in regards to that, uh, uh, excessive report that he did, he went into an area of the wetlands, and, you know, it's not going to this property. It's not going to get any better if we don't do anything with it, it's actually gonna be rotten down. And I, I, uh, thank him for that report. Speaker 6 01:30:54 Thank you, Reverend. Speaker 1 01:30:58 Any other commentary or questions? Speaker 13 01:31:02 Madam chair, Councilwoman K health. Speaker 13 01:31:08 Thank you. Um, I just had a couple of questions of Mr. Gottlieb. So, um, first of all, do we, do we know how old that building is on that land? Like when about that was constructed? Um, that's number one and number two, and I may have a third, but, um, I'll just start with one and two. Um, two is, um, you mentioned that there maybe an issue with, um, asepsis and asepsis removal, is it, is it likely that you are thinking that based upon the year that the building was built, if there's a specialist, or we know that, uh, for a fact, Speaker 6 01:31:49 Um, Councilwoman K help, uh, the, the building was originally approved back in the eighties and, uh, which it wasn't a unusual land for them to pack, um, pipe, you know, interior duct work with his best is for instance, insulation purposes. We also found out through our requests for information is that there is as best as within the, we, we did confirm that there was as best as in the building I suspected is for the, uh, you know, as it was used as insulation around duct work or conduits. Does that answer your question? Okay. Speaker 13 01:32:43 Yeah, it, it sure does. Um, I think that's, that's all I really had. Um, and you said that this is being under utilized, so is there anyone using the building at all? Speaker 6 01:32:59 Yes. Yes. The building is occupied. Uh, the company is called . They, uh, they manufacture, uh, well, this is the, uh, office for a hearing aid, the corporate, one of the corporate offices for a hearing aid company. Yeah. Speaker 13 01:33:20 You did say that I didn't, I was listening, thinking it was next to a hearing any place. So within that building, it's a hearing aid off. Speaker 6 01:33:29 Yes. They it's their corporate it's their corporate offices and they, um, you know, they've been there. It was, it was previously another name. I apologize. I don't recall what it was originally, but it has been some Ventas for quite some time now. Speaker 13 01:33:51 Thank you so much. Speaker 1 01:33:54 Any other board members? Well, I'll hear a recommendation as to how to proceed at this month. At this time, Speaker 0 01:34:09 Madam chair, you need to open to the public Speaker 1 01:34:11 Place. I'm sorry. Um, would you open it to the public to now to see if anyone has any questions? Speaker 0 01:34:20 There's a Brian with his hand up. Speaker 1 01:34:22 Hello, Speaker 14 01:34:23 Brian rack, 1247 Brookside road. Speaker 1 01:34:26 Mr. Would you, uh, spell your last name please? Okay. All right. Okay. That's simple enough. Yup. Speaker 14 01:34:35 1247 Brookside Speaker 1 01:34:36 Road. Okay. 1247. Fine. Um, does Ms. Saunders need to swear him in? Speaker 14 01:34:44 I would assume so, yes. Speaker 13 01:34:46 Okay. Can you please raise your right hand? Do you swear that the testimony you're about to give with the truth and nothing but the truth? I do. Thank you. Speaker 14 01:34:54 Um, I guess I'll start with the asbestos. Isn't a solution for as best as to just leave it in place and not disturb it. I mean, that's always been my understanding of how you deal with as best as Speaker 6 01:35:05 Quite often, as long as it's not disturbed. That is one method to address it. Yes. Speaker 14 01:35:13 Okay. So just leaving the building as is, would be perfectly fine. Speaker 6 01:35:17 Well, that is, that is a possibility. Speaker 14 01:35:19 Sure. Um, can you describe how it makes the town look bad to have a building that's half empty next to it versus, I mean, I'm, I'm just guessing here that you want to build the warehouse right next to Randolph elementary school. Again, Speaker 6 01:35:35 Right now, we don't know what is going to be proposed. This, this study is simply, uh, to determine whether this site is, uh, an area in need of redevelopment. There has been no determination as of yet, uh, as to what type of use or what type of redevelopment will occur on the property. It in there, it could be warehousing, but it it's, it could be something that the town council determines could determine otherwise. Speaker 14 01:36:10 I mean, do you have a reasonable suggestion about what this would become other than a warehouse? I mean, I'm looking at it. We have a school on one side, we have warehouses on three other sides. We have a warehouse going over next to the school, so I'm not convinced you're going to come up with anything other than, oh, we're going to put a warehouse next to the school Randolph elementary view, an elementary school, but just surrounded by warehouses that'll look great. Right. Okay. Speaker 6 01:36:33 Well, if this is acted positively on at the board agrees, and then the council agrees, we will develop a, uh, a redevelopment plan that will, um, outline all the potential uses. I really can't say at this point that it is going to be aware of anything other than a warehouse or a warehouse. I just can't say at this time. Okay. Speaker 14 01:36:59 Okay. And it sounds like you're judging the building based on today's standards, but it was built, uh, you said in the eighties. So if it complies with the eighties building standards, why are we saying, oh, we have to redevelop it now because our standards have changed. I mean, you could apply that to any property in the town and say, oh, we should just demolish this house because it was built in the eighties and it doesn't comply with our current building standards. Speaker 6 01:37:23 Uh, that is, that is, uh, not necessarily true. I mean, we're looking at this site in particular, uh, right now, and even now it was constructed in the eighties and it may have complied with the requirements of the eighties, uh, requirements and standards do change. And the impact of what was done back in the eighties wasn't necessarily, um, prevalent or could be determined at that point are now evident. Net are now evident now, such as, you know, the, you know, with the deterioration of lighting and landscaping, the deterioration of the parking area, the layout of the parking area, it may have been very fine back in the 1980s under today's conditions. We, we look at other, uh, more current standards and determined that this doesn't really meet today's standards, development standards. Speaker 14 01:38:31 But couldn't you say that about any property that was developed in the eighties? Like obviously the layout of a parking lot in the eighties is different than what we'd lay out now, but that doesn't mean you condemn an entire property just because they built in the eighties and it was designed that way. And now we've decided that that's bad. Speaker 6 01:38:47 Okay. First of all, we're not, the township is not proposing condemnation here. We're not condemning the property. Um, the township is, is not, uh, this study does not make that option available right now is so the town is not looking to condemn the property. Um, however, the town, the, uh, the township did request that we take a look at this property as an area in need of redevelopment. Ultimately, we'll be up to the planning board and the town council to determine whether or not they agree with the application of these, uh, this criteria and the principles that we use. But to answer your question, you're absolutely correct. You can say that many eighties, many 80 developments don't adhere to, to the standards that have been established for today, but we're not looking at all those other properties. We're just looking at this particular property right now Speaker 14 01:39:53 Break. But to say that, oh, it was built in the eighties. So it's bad. And we to Madam Speaker 15 01:39:57 Chair marijuana, Speaker 14 01:39:59 I was talking right now outlets. Speaker 15 01:40:02 And you had your three minutes, Speaker 14 01:40:04 Three minutes. What are you talking about? Speaker 15 01:40:09 We just move on and see if anybody else in the Pollock wants to speak Speaker 6 01:40:15 To someone Speaker 14 01:40:15 Else. A chance. Sure. Is anyone else there? Speaker 1 01:40:19 Are there any other people in the public who wish to discuss this report? I hear no funds. No one else has their hand raised, have any hands up. Okay. Well, we've had that comment from the public close to the, Speaker 14 01:40:40 Well, I'm sorry. I've been treated very differently than the people in the previous applications. Is there a reason I'm not allowed to continue talking when they were allowed to repeatedly interrupt? Speaker 6 01:40:51 My inquiry would be, Speaker 2 01:40:54 You seem to want to debate Mr. Gottlieb as to what's going to go there, where that's four steps from the process we're right now, which is, is the area in need of redevelopment, pursuant to the state criteria. And he was asked to review it and prepare a report, which he did in the outline, indicating then it met certain criteria. The report isn't here to comment on what might or might not go there. And if the current property owner wants to continue operating their business, nobody's stopping them. So I almost think you're, you're asking him questions that are unanswerable. Why Mr. Gottlieb is trying to address some of his points where, oh, this is built in the 1980s. So it's bad is the general impression. Speaker 15 01:41:49 And I make a motion that we approve this report. Speaker 2 01:41:58 Okay. Well, first one would need a motion. Can we have a motion to then close the public portion before? Um, and then we can address the mayor's motion on the application, on the area need of redevelopment. Speaker 1 01:42:13 Okay. Um, then we'll close. The public portion of the meeting is the meeting at this time and entertain a motion. Speaker 2 01:42:33 I believe there's a motion from the mayor. Is there a second? Speaker 1 01:42:38 Do we have the motion? Speaker 5 01:42:41 I'll second. That motion. So move. Speaker 1 01:42:46 Um, Madam, Mme. Buckley, the, you please call the RO Speaker 0 01:42:52 Yes. Yes. Ms. Corporate. Yes. Ms. Saunders. Yes. Reverend canny and Madam chair. Speaker 1 01:43:07 Now, um, the appropriate next step is to refer it to the counseling. Speaker 2 01:43:12 The appropriate next step would be a resolution referring it to the council, um, indicating that the planning board, um, has, uh, agreed with the CME redevelopment study of April 21st, 2021. That is an area in need of redevelopment, non condemnation. And that would be memorialized in a resolution. And then, um, sent over to the, uh, township council, Madam chair. So I believe Ms. Saunders, Speaker 1 01:43:47 Could you make a resolution emotion for a resolution to approve this report as a non condemnation, determination of an area in need of development? Speaker 3 01:44:00 Okay. Madam chairman, I, uh, look to memorialize the resolution for designation of non-con combination and the area in the need of redevelopment. Speaker 0 01:44:18 Marijuana. Yes. Yes. Ms. Corcoran? Yes. The Saunders. Yes. Reverend Kenny and Madam chair. Speaker 11 01:44:39 Okay. Speaker 0 01:44:40 Number 14. Speaker 1 01:44:42 Um, I need a motion to pay the bills. Do I have a second? Speaker 3 01:44:54 Carol Fonda second Speaker 1 01:44:56 Roll call. Speaker 0 01:44:59 Yes. Councilwoman Cahill. Yes. Ms. Corcoran. Yes. The Saunders. Yes. Reverend Kenny. And that, Speaker 1 01:45:10 Yes. And so with that, do I have a motion to adjourn? Our next meeting? Our next meeting will be on July 14th. So it's appropriate to say before we adjourn, everyone have a happy 4th of July. Thank you very much.