Transcript for Piscataway Planning meeting on September 1 2021
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Speaker 0 00:00:00 That everybody just get your tornado warning. And we have a, basically me and the mayor are good. We can run. Speaker 1 00:00:11 Okay. Is it, what time is it? Seven 30. Okay. You ready? Speaker 0 00:00:15 Oh, let me hit record before you speak recording in progress. Go ahead and chair. Thank you. Speaker 1 00:00:23 Township planning board will please come to order in compliance with the open public meetings act. Adequate. Notice of this meeting was provided in the following ways. Notice published in the courier news notice published in the star ledger notice posted on the bulletin board of the municipal building notice made available through the township clerk and the librarian. Uh, Mr. Barlow, would you read the public, the community affairs guidelines, please? Speaker 2 00:00:53 Certainly in keeping with the department of community affairs guidelines issued as a result of the COVID pandemic, this meeting is being held virtually the appropriate notices were sent out with the zoom information. So anyone could attend virtually and I believe it's appropriate to go forward in that setting. Madam chair. Speaker 1 00:01:11 Thank you. Madam clerk, will you call the roll please? Speaker 0 00:01:19 You're muted there. Councilwoman Cahill. Thank you, Ms. Park right here. Ms. Saunders joined the meeting timing, Reverend Kenya. Yeah. I just heard him. I see his phone number. Reverend Kenny. Here we go. Mr. Espinosa, Mr. Foster, Madam chair here. Speaker 1 00:01:58 Um, could we recite the pledge of allegiance and the flag that's over my shoulder. I pledge allegiance Speaker 0 00:02:08 To the flag of the United States and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God, indivisible with Liberty and justice for all. Speaker 1 00:02:29 Um, could we have the swearing professionals place, Speaker 3 00:02:37 Please raise your right hand. Whether the testimony you're about to give will be the truth and nothing but the truth. Thank you. Speaker 1 00:02:47 Um, Mr. Barlow, are there any adjustments or changes to our agenda tonight? Speaker 2 00:02:52 I'm chair. The Yates minor subdivision has been postponed until October 13th, 21. Um, they have not noticed yet. And then the poll Ruben and matter color seminary and final site plan for block eight, 11 lot 1.01 has also been adjourned and carried until the October 13th, 2021 meeting. They've already noticed. Uh, if anyone is on the meeting for that matter, you will not receive another notice. Please know, this is your notice is being carried until the October 13th meeting. And those are the only two changes. Madam chair. Speaker 1 00:03:32 Thank you. Um, adoption of resolution to memorialize action taken on August 11th, 2025. Speaker 3 00:03:45 Sure. I like to moralize Application 21, PV 15 for Abdul and Scheiber Bassett minor subdivision block 1, 1 3, 1 lot 4 0 1 28 29 0.01 zone are 15. Speaker 1 00:04:09 I believe that was block 1, 1, 3, 1 7, just as a correction. Speaker 3 00:04:14 Oh, I'm sorry. Okay. Speaker 4 00:04:20 I'm sure. Henry Kenny I'll second it Speaker 0 00:04:25 Marijuana Councilwoman woman Cahill. Ms. Porphyrin. Yes. Ms. Saunders. Yes, Reverend Kenney. Ms. Perez spinosa and Madam chair. Speaker 3 00:04:43 And I'm sure I like to more alive application, 20 PVS, zero two freestyles avenue and Sterling drive, urban renewal and power back preliminary and final site plan Speaker 1 00:04:55 Second, please. Do I get a second? I'll Speaker 0 00:04:57 Second that Speaker 1 00:05:00 Thank you. Call Speaker 0 00:05:05 Yes. Yes. The Saunders. Yes, Reverend Kenny. Thank you. Sorry, Mr. Mr. Espinosa. Yes. And that I'm chair. Speaker 3 00:05:29 Madam chairman. I liked the morally alive application, 20 PV dash 18 slash 19 V for core development group, pulmonary and final site plan with both. Speaker 1 00:05:41 Do I have a second? Speaker 0 00:05:57 Yes. This Corcoran? Yes. The cylinders. Yes. Reverend Kenney. Mr. Espinosa. Yes. Madam chair. Speaker 1 00:06:08 Yes. Speaker 3 00:06:10 Madam chair. I like to more live application 21 PV dash 20 slash 21 V for core development group. Preliminary and final site plan with both variants. Speaker 0 00:06:25 Madam chair. This is council mayor wallet. Wallet. Yes. Yes. Ms. Corgrin. Yes. That's Saunders. Yes. Reverend Kenney. Mr. Espinosa and Madam chair. Speaker 1 00:06:46 Yes. Speaker 3 00:06:48 Madam chairman. I'd like to adopt the minutes from the regular meeting of August 11th, 2021 item number eight. Speaker 0 00:07:07 Yes, yes, yes. The Saunders. Yes. Reverend Kenney. Mr. Espinosa. And that I'm chair. Speaker 1 00:07:23 Yes. I believe. Um, Ida minor subdivision item number nine, 20 PB six. That's the one that was postponed until October the 13th, Speaker 0 00:07:39 New Madam chair from the record show that Mr. Foster has joined the meeting. Speaker 5 00:07:45 Madam chair. This is a marijuana. Can we move to item 13 very quick and then jump back to our normal business. Speaker 1 00:07:53 Thank you, Mr. Mayor, certainly on our, on page, uh, three, four page item, number 13. Um, anybody have a motion to pay the bills? Speaker 3 00:08:08 This is Carol Saunders. I make a motion to pay the bills. Speaker 1 00:08:11 I have a second Roco Speaker 0 00:08:16 Marijuana council. Woman. Can you help this corporate? Yes. Ms. Saunders? Yes. Reverend Kenney. Mr. Espinosa. Yes. Mr. Foster and Madam chair. Speaker 1 00:08:33 Yes. Also item number 1121, PB 9 0 9 slash 10 V as in Victor. Paul Reuben has been postponed till October 13th as previously. Noted Am number 12. Speaker 2 00:08:56 That's Madam chair. I believe we have the number 10, 100 Springfield avenue. Mr. I call, I believe is here for that matter. Speaker 6 00:09:06 I'm actually here for that. Mr. Lee. Speaker 2 00:09:08 I'm sorry, Mr. Arch. Oh, okay. Speaker 1 00:09:12 Oh, Mr. Arch. Okay. One then let me see. Let me get myself together. Item number 10, nine. Speaker 2 00:09:26 It's 100 Springfield avenue. Speaker 1 00:09:29 Okay. I see it now. Okay. Thank you. Item number 10 21, PB 21 slash 23 V 100 Springfield avenue, LLC. Preliminary and final site plan. Um, maybe you enter your appearance, so Speaker 6 00:09:44 Thank you, Madam chair. Thank you. Members of the board. My name is Tim arch. I'm an attorney licensed in the state of New Jersey representing the applicant a 100 Springfield, LLC. Uh, we're here before you tonight, uh, requesting approval to add a 19,941 square foot addition to an existing warehouse, uh, located along Springfield avenue. Um, a quick piece of housekeeping, I would ask, uh, the board attorney if they reviewed the notice. And if we have proper jurisdiction before this, Speaker 2 00:10:15 It's fine. And you, we have jurisdiction. Speaker 6 00:10:18 Thank you. Um, I will note that I'm in a, I am in receipt of two staff reports. One is an August 19th, 2021 report, um, by, uh, Mr.and the other is a CME report dated August 20th. Those are the only staff reports that we are in receipt of on those are the ones that we're prepared to give a testimony, uh, from, uh, tonight, uh, where, uh, there are three, uh, variances that we, uh, noticed for, um, uh, the first of which, um, I would like to indicate that we're actually withdrawing a request for the variants for, uh, Evie charging stations, um, in the, uh, from the time that we, uh, filed this application, there's actually now state law that requires, uh, the Evie charging stations. And so we are, uh, uh, withdrawing our request for a variance of, uh, of that requirement, so that that can be taken off. Speaker 6 00:11:13 Uh, the two variances that are left is, uh, we are requesting a parking variance, uh, where required is 267 parking spaces. Uh, and, uh, there are 105, uh, spaces that are proposed, um, that are existing spaces, uh, will provide testimony, um, uh, uh, tonight as to why we think that that is a reasonable request. There's also a variance, uh, to allow an existing monument sign, um, that is located in the, uh, in the township right of way. Uh, we are requesting that we, uh, uh, be able to keep that existing sign. Um, none of the, uh, uh, of the improvements or the addition is in the area that the sign is in. We're not asking for any, I'm not doing any improvements in that area. Uh, I have three witnesses tonight. Um, uh, the first is, uh, John Siskin. He's the, uh, uh, he's the representative of the owner of the ownership entity. Uh, then I have Mike Glenn's a farmer. He is an engineer and planner, and finally Lance Blake is our architect. Um, so without any further ado, I would ask, um, uh, Mr. Siskin to on, if we can have him one in for testimony, Speaker 3 00:12:26 Mr. Siskind, can you please raise your right hand? You swear that the testimony about to give will the truth and nothing but the truth. Can you please state and spell your name for the record? Speaker 7 00:12:40 John Siskind? Uh, Jon Siskin is SIS. K I N D. Speaker 3 00:12:46 Thank you. Speaker 7 00:12:48 Thank you. Speaker 6 00:12:49 Um, Mr. Siskin, by whom are you employed and in what capacity? Speaker 7 00:12:53 Um, the, uh, president of the Cisco group. Speaker 6 00:12:57 And, uh, and you are the, uh, the owner of the, uh, of the property of 100 Springfield, is that correct? That's correct. Okay. Can you give us a brief summary of what the operation is at a hundred Springfield? What it is that you do there? Speaker 7 00:13:10 Yeah, sure. Um, our company is a distributor of, uh, apparel and accessories. Uh, we supply stores like TJ Maxx and Marshall's, uh, off price stores in the industry. And we've been in business for many years, uh, and we, we own and operate the facility at 100 Springfield avenue as, as, as, uh, for our warehousing and distribution services for our business. Speaker 6 00:13:39 Um, at that location. Can you tell us what the general hours of operation or, Speaker 7 00:13:43 Yeah, the hours of operation are from eight to four 30. Speaker 6 00:13:48 Okay. And on an average day, how many trucks come in and out of the facility? Speaker 7 00:13:54 Uh, I would say on average between between two and four trucks on average, um, and some days it could be nothing, but it can, it could be zero, but I would say on average two to four. Okay. Speaker 6 00:14:08 Um, how many employees do you have that are working at the site? Speaker 7 00:14:12 Full-time employees are, are 12 at the time, at this time. Speaker 6 00:14:18 Okay. And with 12 employees there, how many, uh, how many cars on average are parked in your, uh, in your parking lot there? Speaker 7 00:14:24 On average, I would say we utilize about 10 parking spots. Speaker 6 00:14:28 Okay. Um, as in terms of the trucks that are coming in, what kind of trucks traffic is at that's coming in there? Are they box drugs? Um, what kind of drug? Speaker 7 00:14:39 I would say mostly track the trail is Mo mostly, I would say, uh, either between, uh, 48 and 53 foot trailers when they come in for either a product that's arriving to us or product that we're shipping out. Uh, generally, like I said, averaging between two and four a day, and then some days it could be nothing, but I would use two to four as an average. Okay. Speaker 6 00:15:01 Uh, now you're proposing an expansion of the warehouse space, is that, uh, because you intend to add more employees, uh, to the operation. Speaker 7 00:15:12 We don't envision adding many more employees. We, we always, we would like to always be hiring some, but we, I think the, the majority of the, the purpose of the space is to, um, enable us to store more product specifically out of season product is a journal, generally a, uh, a good part of our business. Um, since we're in the opportunistic business, we generally often buy product that's out of season and we require some additional space to do that, especially today. Um, so that's, that's the primary purpose of the edition. Speaker 6 00:15:45 So you don't anticipate an additional 50 or a hundred employees coming in because of this addition, Speaker 7 00:15:51 When we hire additional, I would say it could be two to three at a time. Speaker 6 00:15:57 Um, in terms of, uh, trash that's generated on the site, how is it that you go about disposing of that, uh, of the refuse, Speaker 7 00:16:04 Um, in the traditional way, we, uh, we have a dumpster that's, that's been at the site, that's this, uh, that's Tempe once a week currently, we don't go through in a extraordinary amount of corrugated, for example, the way in which product comes into our facility, it goes out the same way. We don't, we don't do a lot of repacking and repackaging of product. So the amount of cargo that comes in is typically the same amount goes out without being adjusted. Um, and that's kind of how we, how we function over the past 40 years, I would say. Um, so the dumpster is traditional, uh, traditional trash and attempted weekly. Speaker 6 00:16:51 Okay. Um, now you've had an opportunity to see the, uh, the reports Mr. Henderson's report and the, uh, CME report, correct? Yes. Um, now, um, we're asking obviously for a variance, uh, to allow the sign to maintain or to stay where it existing, uh, where it is existing, apart from that, uh, is there, uh, we can agree to all of the, uh, comments and conditions in the report, correct? Speaker 7 00:17:19 Yes. That's my understanding, correct. Speaker 6 00:17:22 Um, Madam chair, board, I would, uh, offer Mr. Siskind, uh, to you for any questions. Speaker 1 00:17:30 We have any questions from the board. I think his credentials are adequate to have for him to testify. Speaker 8 00:17:40 Madam chair, if I may, I'm not, this is Dawn Corcoran. I'm sorry, not really a question, but just a comment. Um, with regard to the sign, um, you know, the town is we've never really approved something. We've never to the best of my knowledge, if we were to any structure to be allowed within our right away. Um, what is the reasoning for not being able to push it back at least 10 feet? I mean, the ordinance does require 50. Um, again, we're looking for 10 feet, which is the standard for a directional signage, which is 10 square feet or less. I mean, we're trying to give you a little bit of, uh, you know, relief here. Again, we're only looking for a 10 foot setback. Um, what is the reasoning for not being able to at least get it to that distance? Speaker 7 00:18:29 Well, I, I appreciate the question, um, to the best of my knowledge is always been, uh, assigned in that exact location at sign has been in that exact location since we've been in the building. Um, it's, there is actually electricity to that sign. Um, it's not just the sign by itself. It's, uh, it's, it's a sign has been in that spot since we've been there. Um, and it's electricity, that's hardwired to it that provides light to the sign. So respectfully we were asking if we could, uh, it, it, it, it would be, it would incur a large cost and to be able to move it because of the electrical aspect of it. And that it's been there for a very long time. Uh, this there's always been a sign in that location. So we were hoping that, uh, you would, there'd be understanding about the, the, the situation with this particular sign up for this program for this project. Speaker 6 00:19:27 And I believe Mr. Uh, we do have testimony, uh, from, uh, we do have our engineer planner, Mr. Uh, lands a pharma who I think we'll also touch upon, um, uh, some testimony concerning the sign. Uh, so hopefully we'll will be able to address any concerns. Speaker 2 00:19:43 One question, Mr. Cisco, when you say it's been there a long time, is it, is that 10 years? 40 years? Speaker 7 00:19:50 I don't know. Yeah. I could only, um, I can only verify that it's been there that there's, there's always, there's been a sign in that spot since we've been in the building. Um, we purchased the building, uh, at the end of 2012. Okay. I can't tell you how long it's been there. A sign has been there before that. Speaker 6 00:20:11 Thank you. And Mr. , if I can. And Mr. Siskind, uh, the tax records show that the building was built, uh, I believe in 1975. Uh, do you have any reason to doubt that the sign has been there since the inception of the building? Speaker 7 00:20:27 I don't know. Speaker 1 00:20:32 Madam chair, if I may. Um, when you moved into that building, did you get a permit to replace the sign or is it a brand new sign? I again know you said it's been there, so you did get a permit to replace it. Is that correct? Speaker 7 00:20:46 Don't recall. I don't recall what, what Speaker 1 00:20:49 We got at that time. 'cause I don't, I don't know that a permit would have been issued for that, so that just raises some concerns. Okay. No, no problem. Thank you. Are there any other questions of this witness, Speaker 9 00:21:12 Um, to Mr. Barlow, if you correct me, if I'm wrong, um, does this, does this board have jurisdiction to allow the sign within the right of way? It's my belief. It's only the governing body that actually has jurisdiction to, uh, allow that, Speaker 2 00:21:37 Um, Mr. Golly, I'll be honest. I, I, I don't know if that's accurate. Um, they, they could get the grit, the variance relief for the right of way. Um, since, as Ms. Corcoran indicated it's analogous to the directional sign, but let me, let's see where the testimony goes, but, but I believe, um, it's, it sounds like it's been there a while, so I, um, I don't know the background to it. Maybe we'll get some more testimony about that. Speaker 1 00:22:08 Do you think your neck fitness might be able to shed some light on that and give some information on that? Speaker 6 00:22:13 Well, I, I, uh, I know that, uh, uh, Mr. Lanza fam is a planner, and so I think he can, uh, provide the planning justification to it. I will note that, uh, I believe that the board certainly does have jurisdiction to provide the, uh, uh, the relief since it's under the zoning ordinance that it's being cited and this, uh, and this board does have, uh, I believe the, uh, ability to grant a variance of the, uh, uh, of your zoning ordinance or your signage ordinance. So I believe that that, that certainly can be proper. Um, I will note that, uh, presumably at some point, uh, when this site was developed, whether it be in 1975 or sometime after that, presumably it did go through a, uh, a site plan approval process and that sign, um, I can only assume, would have been shown at that time. Um, I am not in a position and we don't have the, uh, the institutional knowledge that, that, that the township has as to whether there was a, what sort of site plan or what sort of approval was granted at that time? Um, all we can, uh, we can assume is that that sign, uh, was there and has been there and was erected, um, with some form of township approval when it was erected. Um, but again, I, I I'm, we don't possess that institutional knowledge that the township has. Speaker 1 00:23:32 Okay. Well then let's, um, are there any other questions from the other board members at this time? Okay, well then let's open it up to the public. Ms. Buckley has any, or anyone who's made a request to give testimony. I mean, to ask questions of this witness, no one raised their hand. Madam chair. Thank you. Okay, Mr. Archer, you may call your next witness if there's no more questions. Speaker 6 00:23:57 Thank you. Madam chair. Uh, my next witness would be Mike Lyons, a family. I can ask that he, oh, he's on mute. Okay. Okay. Speaker 3 00:24:09 Can you please raise your right hand? Do you swear the testimony about Speaker 9 00:24:17 Yes, I do. My name is Michael Lonza pharma. That's L a N Z a F a M a. I'm a licensed professional engineer, Lance of Aaron planner. I'm a principal with the firm of Casey and Keller Inc. 2 58 main street, Millburn New Jersey. I've been licensed as a professional engineer land surveyor since 1984. And as a professional planner since 1985, I've testified before this board on numerous occasions. Um, uh, I've been recently, uh, here on, on several other application, the Cintas application, and, um, our firm are the engineers that did the original Centennial industrial park subdivision and site plans for these buildings. Speaker 6 00:25:04 Madam chair, I would ask that, uh, that Mr. Lanta fam his credentials be, uh, uh, considered and that he be accepted as a expert in the field of engineering and planning. Speaker 1 00:25:14 I accept his credentials and be accepted as a planner. Speaker 9 00:25:18 Thank you, Madam chair. Uh, I'm going to share my screen at the present time. And, um, basically we're going to start with an aerial image. Uh, this is the same aerial image. That's on the cover page of the site plan that was submitted. Uh, the property in question is tax law number nine in block 46 0 1. It is address is 100 Springfield avenue, uh, on the exhibit that's currently on the screen w uh, Springfield avenue runs, uh, east and west along the top. Part of the exhibit new England avenue is on your right, all new Brunswick road is to the left. Uh, this is the existing structure at, um, uh, 100 Springfield avenue. The lot is a five acre parcel and the LLI five zone, uh, as the attorney pointed out, it was constructed in the early seventies as part of the Centennial industrial park subdivision. Speaker 9 00:26:19 It is an office warehouse structure. Uh, it has, uh, 77,231 square foot footprint. And the building actually has a two-story mezzanine office space of 18,112 square feet. Uh, the remaining portion, uh, is the warehouse space. There's currently parking for a hundred vehicles on the site, as you can see, uh, from the exhibit, if I just zoom in a little bit here, um, you can see that currently there's parking, uh, along the, uh, south westerly portion of the property, existing loading bays exists, uh, at the rear portion of the building there's access to the site via two driveways. Um, the primary, um, passenger car vehicle entrance is off 100 Springfield avenue and truck loading. And unloading is off of new England avenue on the far end of the property. Um, as discussed, we may as well jump into, uh, the sign itself. Um, I have several photographs that were taken, uh, during the day that we prepared the survey of the property. Speaker 9 00:27:39 Um, and you can see the sign in question it's, it's a relatively small sign, uh, real really, I just identifying, uh, the property as 100 Springfield avenue. It's simply the Siskin group. It is not internally illuminated, but it's ground lit, uh, from, uh, uh, from this point there's two, uh, floodlights that, uh, aluminate the sign. As, as John pointed out there's electrical service that runs, uh, to that. Um, the sign is about, um, eight feet from the curb line. So it is set back, uh, from the traveled way. Um, and when you're looking at the property from, um, from a distance, Speaker 2 00:28:25 Can we get smart the photos as you, as you go through them? So the first one will be a one and the second one will be called is eight two, Speaker 9 00:28:34 Correct. Uh, 82 is just a little further removed, uh, from the entrance of the driveway to give you a perspective of where it is relative to the building and its relatively small size. Um, obviously, um, the desire to keep the sign. It's really the only identification to the building. If you notice on, on this exhibit, um, there's no signage on the building indicating the Siskin group or the location of the property. That's just the small, uh, address of 100 located, uh, on the facade of the building. So this helps motorists identify the location. So, you know, obviously the, um, the grant of a variance to allow the sign to remain, uh, would be a C2 variance, uh, adding to, uh, identification, a safety issue with regard to traffic, uh, moving along Springfield avenue, being identified, being able to identify the location of the property quickly and easily and be able to move in off of the street, um, as part of our application, um, when you're looking at the site plan and we'll get to that in a moment, we are providing new sidewalks along the entire frontage is of both new England avenue and Springfield avenue at a significant cost. Speaker 9 00:29:58 Um, and it provides for the towns, a great motivation to help for pedestrian access. Those sidewalks can go in without the need to relocate this sign. The sign does not cause a pedestrian hazard, uh, in any way and to Mr. Gottlieb's, uh, point, um, if it's necessary to secure some type of, uh, approval from the, from the township council to allow that to continue in its location, uh, I'm sure that we would be happy to make that petition to the council, but I believe the first step is for the planning board to allow the variance to go forward, to allow the sign to exist in its current location. As, as Mr. Siskin pointed out for at least 13 or 14 years. And, um, it doesn't impose a negative, uh, implication to any of your zone plans. It's not an eyesore, it's not some huge monumental sign with flashing lights. Speaker 9 00:31:01 It's simply an identification of the property for motorists that are coming to, to and from the site. So we would ask that under the C2 criteria of the municipal land use law, that the benefit of improved site visibility, traffic safety, um, w it would be allowed and, uh, that it would not have a substantial detriment to the public good, or the intent and purpose of your zone plan. Um, moving on to, to the main topic, uh, of the application, which is, um, our site plan, I'd like to bring up another exhibit, which we will call this, uh, a three, is it a three is the site plan that was submitted as part of this application? The only thing we've done here is we've enhanced the image, uh, with some colorization. So you can clearly see the location of the proposed addition, which is in the Southern end of the property. Speaker 9 00:32:08 Uh, it's 19,941 square feet. It's going to be used solely for warehousing and the goods and materials as part of the application, we're providing two additional loading doors, uh, to move product in and out of the site. Um, once the project is completed, we will be relocating and reconfiguring the parking along the Western and Southern side of the building so that we would, uh, add five additional parking spaces. So we would have 105 total, and that would include the option of, um, some additional handicap parking spaces. Bringing the total number of handicapped spaces provided to five. The existing site only had three, which was noncompliant with regard to the ADA requirements, um, and, uh, CMS report. They requested that we move the handicap stalls to the same side, to the building side of, of the property. Um, I would offer that, um, where we currently are proposing the spaces they're directly opposite, uh, side entrance to the building. Speaker 9 00:33:29 That's ADA accessible. Currently we have two existing spaces on either side of that entry door. We're proposing a third, uh, immediately to the north. And then on the opposite side of the driveway to additional spaces that would be van accessible. Um, the rationale behind placing them here is, uh, directly opposite the entrance to that building. If we move those parking spaces against the building, it might be somewhat difficult for the handicapped person. They would have to go behind some vehicles to gain access to the entrance on the side of the building. So, um, we would, we would ask that we leave this configuration as proposed. We feel that it's, it's somewhat safer configuration, uh, the electric vehicle charging stations. We were going to propose, um, immediately to the north of the landscaped island that we have, um, uh, just to the north where there's seven parking spaces we would put in for electric charging stations as required by the state statute. Speaker 9 00:34:35 Um, and under the state statute, we actually get credit for two parking spaces for every parking space that we provide as an electrical vehicle charging station. So in essence, uh, under the, under the new regulations, we're actually providing 109 parking spaces where under your ordinance, we're required to have 267. The 267 is determined by the requirement to provide one car for every 200 square feet of office space. The existing office spaces at 18,112 square feet. So that equates to 91 parking space, uh, the warehouse requirement of one car for every 500 square feet. Uh, the, the new warehouse space with the 19,941 square foot, um, additional space would require 176 spaces. And that's how we come up with the 267 required. We're providing, um, 105 physically, but under the code, we would be providing 109. Now Speaker 2 00:35:49 It's still owns a farmer. Can I just interrupt for one second? I was, I was writing at the time under the state statute, you've indicated how many would be required for four. Okay. That's what I thought. Okay. Thank you. Speaker 9 00:36:00 What your ordinance only requires two, but the new state statute actually requires four. Thank you, sir. You're welcome. Um, the, the bulk standards of the PR of this, of the zone, the zone are fully complied with, with regard to setbacks, um, building coverage, um, building height, uh, floor area ratio, uh, everything is compliant with regard to the ordinance. Uh, the only variance is that we were seeking are with regard to the parking, uh, and the signage. And I would offer some other sources of determining the best and highest use of a piece of property. You want to minimize the amount of impervious coverage on the property. So we looked at not only the fact that the business only has 12 employees and typically 10 cars on site at any given time and every time we've been to the site, uh, I don't even think we saw 10 cars there. Speaker 9 00:37:07 And we were there about a half a dozen times during the course of the development of this plan. Um, I looked at two other sources. The first source I looked at was the urban land Institute and under their, uh, fifth edition of their, uh, dimensions of parking, um, they offer, um, parking ratios for these types of uses for a warehouse. Their proposal is 0.6, seven cars per thousand square feet, which would equate to 59 parking spaces for general office space. They proposed 3.8 cars per thousand square feet, which would equate to 69 cars for a total parking demand of 128 cars instead of the 2 67 required by your ordinance. And then I also looked at, um, the Institute of traffic engineers, uh, parking generation manual, the fifth edition, which is the latest document out. And that's been updated even further than the ULI numbers and for warehouses they come up with, um, and this is based upon hundreds of studies throughout the country. Speaker 9 00:38:23 So this is truly a good indicator of the real demand for parking at this particular location. The ITE numbers for warehouses of this size would be 0.3, nine cars per thousand square feet. That's only 35 cars will be required. And 2.39 cars per thousand square feet for the general office space. So that would be 43 cars for a total of 77 cars. So if you, if you average the ULI numbers and the ITE numbers, you come up with 103 cars. That's how we arrived at providing at least 105 cars, uh, on the site. So based upon those additional statistics, and those are real practical numbers that are, uh, developed, uh, over hundreds of studies at various locations, we will have sufficient parking for this building, this type of building and how it's not only used currently, but could potentially be used, uh, in the future. Speaker 9 00:39:32 So, and what this does is it allows us to preserve a significant portion of the site, as you know, within your ordinance, we could provide front yard parking, however, you know, by providing the appropriate number of spaces that we think will support the activities within this building, based upon the uses that are permitted in the ordinance. Um, we can preserve all of the green space along the street frontage, which I think is, is a real significant benefit. Uh, so in my mind, I believe that that variance for the parking could also be granted under the C2 criteria, uh, of the municipal land use law, that under the positive criteria, uh, we are advancing a number of goals and objectives, uh, within your, uh, zoning plan, as well as your, your 2005 master plan, as well as the 2020 re-examination. And that is to provide sufficient space and appropriate locations for a variety of commercial industrial uses, uh, to try and maintain open space where possible, um, to provide for energy efficient land use development, uh, by eliminating that amount of impervious area, you're talking about, uh, reducing, uh, runoff rates and on a night like this, that's exactly what you want to do. Speaker 9 00:40:59 Um, the, um, the preservation of existing vegetation on the site, uh, is also a definite advantage. And again, uh, based upon the statistics cited from the ITE and the ULI studies, uh, I feel safe in saying that we will not negatively impact the intent and purpose of your zone plan, um, or the goals and objectives of your master plan. Um, you can see from our design, we are providing some additional landscaping around the site. Uh, we are proposing to remove some trees along the streetscape of Springfield avenue only because they're Ash trees and their disease. Uh, Mr. Hinter Steen mentions that in his report, and we will re be replacing them on a one-to-one basis. We're also adding sidewalks all along our street frontage is, uh, and, and we know the, the main, one of the major goals of the community is to create those pedestrian friendly walkways throughout, uh, Centennial industrial park. Speaker 9 00:42:09 So employees during their lunch hour can take walks, or they can even walk from building to building as they interact, uh, without having to move their vehicle. So again, uh, I see this as a real plus, uh, not only for the community, but, um, for the environment as a whole, um, the, the, we are increasing the impervious coverage on the site, uh, as a result of the addition, uh, we are providing a stormwater management base in a bio basin, um, that will manage the additional runoff from the site and tie it into the existing collection system within, uh, new England avenue. Um, lighting for the site, um, is basically existing, uh, around the new addition, we will be putting some floodlights. There was a comment in Mr. Henry Steen's memorandum, uh, regarding lighting, um, in the loading dock area. There are existing lights on the building that aluminate that area. Speaker 9 00:43:09 We just did not show the, um, foot candles for that area. We will be adding that to the plan. Uh, there is adequate lighting in that area, and there's no need for additional lighting, uh, to properly eliminate, uh, that loading area and the access drive, uh, from new England avenue. So, um, the bottom line is we can comply with the, um, with the comments in both the CME memo and the intersting memorandum. Um, the only comment I ask is, is that, uh, perhaps we, uh, take another look at where the handicap stalls are. Um, I think where I have them as a good location, but I can certainly speak to Mr. Gottlieb and we can discuss possibly, uh, uh, working that out. And because we do have to reconfigure some of the spaces for the electric vehicles, so we can, I'm sure we can come to a meeting of the minds with regard to the proper location of handicap spaces. Speaker 9 00:44:09 So again, just to summarize the variance requests for the sign, uh, is that it's a seat to life safety issue, identification of the building. Uh, it's not an obtrusive sign. It doesn't have an impact on the pedestrian walkway system. Um, and it has been there for over a decade. And we asked that, um, some consideration be given and it'd be allowed to be retained at that location. And finally, the parking variance, again of C2 variance in my mind, uh, giving the statistics cited. Um, I think that can be granted to, without any negative impact to the community. And I, I believe that's all I have. And if you have any questions, uh, I would be happy to respond. Speaker 1 00:44:59 Thank you, Mr. Lands with AMA board members. Do you have any questions of Mr. hearing? No questions? Would you look into the public and see if there's any questions coming from the phone? Speaker 0 00:45:19 No, one's raising their hands. Madam chair. Speaker 1 00:45:23 Thank you. Um, Mr. Archer, do you have anything else you want to say to the board? Speaker 6 00:45:28 Uh, we have one, uh, one final witness, your honor, that would be a Lance Blake, our architect that would ask that he be in. Speaker 1 00:45:35 Thank you. Speaker 6 00:45:44 Uh, he is present and he is un-muted ready to be. Speaker 11 00:45:48 Can you hear me Speaker 1 00:45:49 Okay if I can hear you beside this Speaker 0 00:45:52 Bigger waiting for Speaker 10 00:45:52 Carol Saunders? Speaker 0 00:46:06 Um, can you just swear him in please? Speaker 2 00:46:08 Thank you, sir. Can you raise your right hand? Uh, can you state your name, spell your last name? Speaker 11 00:46:14 Lance Blake, B L a K E. Speaker 2 00:46:18 You swear the testimony you give before the board with the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the Speaker 11 00:46:22 Truth. Yes, I do. Speaker 2 00:46:24 Can you please give us your address? Speaker 11 00:46:26 16 microlab road, Livingston, New Jersey. Speaker 2 00:46:31 Thank you, sir. Speaker 6 00:46:34 Um, Mr. Uh, Mr. Blake, can you please, uh, uh, well, first of all, have you ever testified in front of, uh, a Piscataway as an architect before Speaker 11 00:46:43 I have in the past? Yes. And I testified five before numerous boards. Yeah. Speaker 6 00:46:49 And you were qualified then when you were in front of this board? Speaker 11 00:46:52 Yes. Speaker 6 00:46:55 I'm Speaker 11 00:46:55 A licensed professional architect in the state of New Jersey, as well as numerous other states have been practicing architecture and licensed since a practicing since 1984, licensed since 87. I'm the managing principal of my firm for the last 25 years. Um, and again, we've, I've testified before dozens of boards throughout the state Speaker 6 00:47:20 Madam chair. I would ask that he be recognized as a, an expert in architecture. Speaker 1 00:47:24 Thank you. He may testify as an expert. Thank you, Speaker 6 00:47:27 Madam chair, if I can just, uh, just play something on the record, I believe that you would indicate that Mr. A FEMA was accepted as a expert planner. I would just note for the record. I believe he's also, I would ask if he was recognized as an expert engineer Speaker 1 00:47:41 And engineer also. I'm sorry. Thank you. Speaker 6 00:47:45 Uh, Mr. Blake, um, I believe there was a request for some testimony as to how the building would look you're the architect and take it away. Speaker 11 00:47:55 Yeah. I mean, if you could, uh, pull up the rendering, I think I had asked you Speaker 6 00:47:59 Certainly, I'm going to share the screen. Just give me one second. Okay. Speaker 11 00:48:05 So my testimony will be relatively disagree. Hello, everybody see the screen? Speaker 6 00:48:13 Yeah, this would be a four. And Ms. Saunders is Speaker 1 00:48:16 Back with us. Yes, Speaker 11 00:48:19 Yes. So this is a computer generated render view of the building showing, uh, from the, uh, left side of the building to the right side, the existing structure. Uh, there are two colors of brick that exists. One is a dark brown. The other one is a, uh, a beige color. Uh, and basically all we're doing with the addition is we are going to match the, um, the dark brown color, uh, so that, um, you know, the way, the way it intersects with the beige, it'll do the same thing on the back end. The only differences that the addition is a slightly taller than the existing building. We're going to be, uh, uh, developing a structure of 35 feet in height in order to get a 30 foot clear inside a building for is, uh, racking operation. Um, again, the building will have a, uh, uh, uh, an entrance, but, uh, and two loading docks. And that's pretty much it very simple. It will be a brick facade. Speaker 6 00:49:31 Yes, excuse me. And, uh, that's going to be consistent with, uh, with the area and with other buildings in the area, is that correct? Speaker 11 00:49:39 Yes. As well. And this particular building and, and to be specific, um, we're not, you know, it's a quality building where we're not building just a middle, you know, a metal skin building it's again, uh, the owner want the building to, you know, once the addition to blend in and it looks like it, you know, could have been always there. Speaker 6 00:50:01 Thank you. Uh, if we have any questions for Mr. Blake, um, I would, uh, offer him up to the, uh, the board for questions, Speaker 1 00:50:10 Um, board members. Do you have any questions of this witness of the architect and his testimony hearing no questions from the board I'd like to open it to the public, uh, Ms. Broccoli, would you check to see if there's any questions from the public Mr. Art, can you your Speaker 0 00:50:27 Screen please? Speaker 6 00:50:29 Sorry. Yes. Yeah. It's Speaker 0 00:50:30 Okay. Thank you. Just as much as no one is raising their hands message. Speaker 1 00:50:38 Okay, then fine. Um, if there's no additional questions from the board, are there Mr. Arch, you may sum up or, Speaker 6 00:50:47 Uh, thank you. Uh, I'll be brief. Um, uh, essentially where we're asking for two variances, the parking variance, I think is, uh, clearly we have an excess of parking. We have more than enough parking to accommodate the, uh, the use of that building and, uh, enough parking to accommodate any future use in that building. Um, and, uh, again, I would, uh, indicate that sign that is there is a, is a currently existing sign. Um, it's not something that's as simple as to pick up and to move back. There is a cost associated with moving it, but really it's there for, uh, for safety concerns and for identification of the building. Um, if a truck drives by, uh, and doesn't see that sign, or doesn't recognize where they're supposed to, uh, uh, turn into that building, that's gonna require them to drive past, to potentially back up. And, uh, and those sorts of actions, uh, can cause safety concerns, especially if we're going to have a, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, more walking traffic in that area with the additional sidewalks in there. Um, it, again, it's not creating a safety hazard by, uh, it's potentially creating safety hazards by being removed from there. So I would certainly ask the board, uh, consider that, uh, as well. And I thank you so much for your, uh, for your time and attention to this. Speaker 1 00:52:00 And thank you, um, members of the board you've heard of this presentation and requests for variances, Speaker 2 00:52:07 Uh, Madam chair, just before you. Um, I, I would just like to, I would suggest to the board that if the board is going to consider granting the variance for the sign, that it'd be done subject to any prior resolutions of approval that may have been, uh, set forth for this property. And also, um, subject to the presentation before the township council, if there's an issue with regards to the right of way, and the township attorney believes, um, that it's appropriate. So I don't, I don't know how the board is going to act. I would just suggest that, that, that I think the applicant agreed that they would be willing to do that. And I just want to make sure that that's part of, of any potential approval that the board may consider. Speaker 6 00:52:58 And that is absolutely correct. Mr. Barlow, we are, we're more than happy to, uh, to, uh, work with the township attorney, uh, for council approval, uh, and, um, exactly what you stated. We certainly would do that. Speaker 9 00:53:12 Yes. Um, Mr. Barlow, do you think it might be a good idea if they provided in indemnification agreement, you know, believing that if should the board favorably on the variance, uh, to, uh, you know, indemnify the, uh, the township of any responsibility being that it is on the township property. Speaker 2 00:53:38 Um, but I I'm sure that is something that township attorney will discuss with the applicant attorney. And I assume that the applicant is willing to work with the municipality if they have any concerns in that regard. Speaker 6 00:53:52 And, and, and just to note, I, uh, uh, cause Mr. God, indicated that it's township property. I don't believe that it is township property in terms of ownership. It's a, it's a right of way. So that would be my way of I'm assuming an easement. Um, uh, but we certainly have no, uh, H township Speaker 9 00:54:10 Right away is township property. Speaker 6 00:54:14 Uh, why would I, I, would I have that to see what the document was? I know that the township, uh, consistently does, uh, easements for municipal purposes, which do not convey ownership. I don't have that document at hand. So I don't know if it is specifically township property or if there's an easement in place, but as Mr. Barlow said, I certainly, uh, would work with the, uh, with, um, uh, township council, uh, in any sort of agreement that would be, uh, um, for that area. Speaker 9 00:54:41 Thank you. Speaker 1 00:54:44 Okay. Uh, if the board would like to make a motion, someone on the board to include those, um, agenda that have been suggested, Speaker 0 00:54:53 Madam chair, this is Councilwoman Cahill, and I'll make the motion to, uh, to approve this application, um, based upon, uh, the agreement by the applicant to work with the township. I think at the end of the day, we know the reasoning for wanting to move signs that's so that the taxpayers of the town aren't paying for, you know, removal of signs, et cetera, et cetera, when, or if a road gets widened. So it sounds like this applicants such will agree to that at such a time when, or if, uh, there's repairs done to the road or the road gets widened. So I would say to the board, I believe this is a great application, um, and I would move to approve it based upon, um, again, uh, the applicant agreeing to, um, all of the, um, requirements set in motion. Speaker 1 00:55:44 Do I have a second? Madam chair? Thank you. Roll call please. Speaker 0 00:55:53 Um, mayor Waller, I think I lost the mayor council woman Cahill. Yes. Ms. Corcoran. Yes. Ms. Saunders. Yes. Reverend Kenney. Mr. Espinosa. Yes. Mr. Foster and Madam chair. Speaker 1 00:56:13 Yes. Well, thank you so much. Your map, your application has been approved. Speaker 9 00:56:19 Thank you very much. Good evening. Speaker 1 00:56:23 Thank you very much, everybody. Appreciate it. Thank you. Um, lastly, our, um, item number 1221, PB 25 slash 26, the Henry chair. Speaker 0 00:56:40 Um, it's Councilwoman Cahill, and I, um, must recuse myself from this application. Um, I think we've taken care of other business. So, uh, with your approval, I am going to dismiss myself from the meeting. Speaker 1 00:56:55 Yes, you're excused. Speaker 0 00:56:56 Thank you very much. Madam chair, have a good night, everybody. Please keep safe. Speaker 1 00:57:03 Uh, Dawn Corcoran. I also need to recuse myself from the application. Thank you, Ms. Corcoran. You're excused. Thank you. Have a good night, everyone. Speaker 0 00:57:15 Madam chair. I know mayor Walla was going to recuse himself from this application. I believe he's in DPW at the moment. Speaker 1 00:57:22 Yep. Okay. Thank you, Mr. Henderson. Um, we're ready to grow. Are you ready to proceed? You may proceed. Speaker 12 00:57:35 Yeah. The application before you tonight is for subdivision about property that I own and, uh, Brooks 1201 Brookside road, if Paskataway block 8,301 lot 1 0 1. Um, I'm looking to subdivide the property, uh, which is an oversight oversized property consisting of a slightly more than 23,000 square feet. Uh, it's in an R 10 zone of where the requirement is for a 10,000 square foot. Lots. Um, again, I'm looking to subdivide it relatively evenly into two lots, uh, as a result of the subdivision, uh, in the shape of the lot, being a quarter property, uh, have a couple of, uh, minor variances that are required for lot, with a lot frontage on, on, on both lots. And, uh, also a, um, a small front yard setback variance on Palisades avenue for the corner property. Um, so that's in a nutshell, I believe you've seen the plans have been submitted, uh, for the proposed house. That's going to be, uh, placed on the new creative lot. And I do have my engineer and professional planner here and Mr. Hollows, uh, who will be testifying on the, um, on variances, uh, that we're, that we're seeking tonight. Um, if anybody has any questions though about the, the, the subdivision of, be more than happy to answer those questions before we get to the planning testimony. Speaker 1 00:59:08 Okay. You can, do you want it, do we have any questions of Mr. Hinton board members before we get to his planner with reference to the division of the property? Speaker 4 00:59:21 Madam chair? I remember Kenny Henry. I was past your property. Uh, yesterday what's way is both of the houses is one frontage face Palisades. Speaker 12 00:59:39 Uh, yep. Good question. Both, both houses are gonna be facing Brookside road. So both houses are going to front Brookside. And, uh, the, the one house on the corner is going to have a side entry garage and, uh, utilities are going to come from Palisades, uh, due to the fact that there's a moratorium on Brookside road. But, um, the houses from Brookside are going to both houses are going to be facing, uh, Brookside road. Speaker 4 01:00:09 I see. Okay. Very good. Cause I ended up in Gramercy park. I don't think I have to excuse myself from that area. Speaker 12 01:00:16 I believe you're way more than 200, 200 feet from the Speaker 4 01:00:22 Right. Thank you. That's all. I am. Thank you left yet. Speaker 1 01:00:27 Thank you. Um, Mr. Henderson saying, would you call your planner? Speaker 12 01:00:30 Sure. Um, Mr. Hollis, Speaker 13 01:00:34 I am here. Speaker 12 01:00:37 Um, you want to qualify yourself just for the boards? Speaker 13 01:00:40 Let's first, Ms. Saunders. Speaker 3 01:00:45 Yeah. Can you please raise your right hand? Do you swear that the testimony you're about to give with the truth and nothing but the truth, If we state and spell your name for the record? Speaker 13 01:00:56 William hollows, H O L L O w S. I am a licensed professional engineer, land, surveyor and planner from the state of New Jersey. I have been licensed for over 30 years. I have been before the zoning board and Piscataway, but not before the planning board, but I am, um, constantly going to the boards in new Providence, Berkeley Heights, summit, Westfield, um, as, as both engineer and planner in those, those communities. Um, Speaker 1 01:01:30 Well the record please, which would give us, um, some, uh, benefit of your educational background. Speaker 13 01:01:35 I am a graduate of college of engineering and civil engineering. Have your credentials always been accepted Mr. Hollows as a planner and as an engineer? Yes. Speaker 1 01:01:47 Thank you. You're acceptable as an expert in those fields. Speaker 13 01:01:51 Good. I'd like to, well, share my screen. Speaker 1 01:01:56 Okay. Speaker 13 01:02:07 Can, can everybody see that? Speaker 1 01:02:10 Okay, here we go. Speaker 13 01:02:13 This is a, basically the slide of where the property is. This is your area map, your property owners within 200 feet, your zoning schedule at the bottom. It's the same drawing that you have. I haven't done anything other than put it in here, but you can see the property is located on Brookside road at the Southeast corner with Palisade avenue. Um, it's known as well at one point on one block, eight 30, it contains 20 3007 square feet, and it's basically 173 feet wide by a hundred thirty, two hundred thirty two 0.7 feet deep. Um, I'm just gonna, I think probably just, uh, go to the slide that I made that you don't have it's it's is, is she too, and I've colorized it so that you can see the proposal here and then I can show you where the proposal is all in some way. We'll mark that as a one, Mr. Hollows, the colorize layout plan. Yes, I will mark that up and I will get a copy to the, um, the board secretary. Thank you, sir. Speaker 13 01:03:26 This is a subject property that I just spoke about. You got Brookside avenue at the bottom of the drawing Palisade avenues to the left. Um, and this is the proposal is to subdivide this 23,000 square foot. Lot into two lots. One would be 87 feet wide by 132 points, 132 feet deep. It will contain 11,544 square feet. The corner lot would have 90.72 feet at the right of way. It's 82 feet in the back. The line is skewed on Palisade. Um, and you can see there not a lot would have 11,461 square feet. So both exceed the 10,000 square feet that's required. Um, what the barons is that we're seeking here as part of the subdivision would be for blood frontage on the interior lot. One point out to 100 feet is required where at 87 feet and at the setback line, we're required to have a hundred feet and we have 87 feet. And on the corner lot, we have 90 point 72 feet of frontage on the road, but actually I've got the correct. My drawing that is 88.42 feet at the setback line. When I was putting my notes together, I realized that the setback line and the front right-away line are two different distances is 1880 8.42. Thank you. Speaker 13 01:05:04 And the other Barron's is highest to do with the side yard or the front yard setback off a Palisade avenue for the proposed house. And that's a, you've got a corner lot there, um, but it reduces the building and below. And, um, you know, we're, we're asking for that variance and you can see that the interior light has a driveway coming out to, um, Brookside. And that is a curb cut that was there from the previous home that sat on this property and the corner lot will face Brookside, but the driveway will go out to Palisade. And in addition, all utilities will be connected from Palisade into the house. Um, they're, they're all there in the street and they would just be extended as Mr. Hendrix had indicated there is a moratorium on cutting the road, open on Brookside, done over the variances and just, oh, and I just wanted to also let the board know that these houses, um, repos houses, we meet all other requirements as far as side yard setback, lot coverage, building coverage, uh, that type of thing. So it's really just those three variants. Well, a lot with blood frontage and, and the, uh, front yard setback. Speaker 13 01:06:38 And I would consider all of these to be, um, the viruses, like if they would fit in the, uh, C2 flexible criteria that C2 provision allows a variance for certain dimensional requirements. When the purpose of the MQL or municipal land use law would be advanced, the benefits of the deviation would outweigh the detriments and a relief can be branded without substantial detriment to the public good and without substantial impairment of the zone plan. And I think the reasons that I make that statement is that the existing or a lot is 23,700 square feet. And the new lots were we're going to be over by 10%. They're over the threshold of 10,000 square feet by 10%. Speaker 13 01:07:36 There's there is no ability to purchase additional proper property from the adjoining property owners, because there are lots are a lot behind us on Palisade is deficient and a lot with, and then, um, there's no additional lot area that could, uh, that you could purchase to try to correct these, uh, deviations from the ordinance. And there are seven lots across the street on Brookside that range and lot with a lot with, and, um, well at frontage there in the seventies, there's one that's 95 and there's one in the eighties so that, you know, this, isn't something new to this neighborhood, these, um, um, deviations from the lot with requirement. Speaker 13 01:08:28 And it's my feeling that these lots would be more harmonious with the lots of in the surrounding neighborhood here rather than one large lot with a big house on it. I think that this, these two smaller homes, um, would fit in much better with the existing neighborhood. Now, as far as the sea Barron's for the, uh, front yard setback, as long as Palisade, you can look at that as a C one hardship, because again, as I say to before, you've got a corner lot and on that corner lot, you've got a smaller building envelope. Um, so that could be a hardship because we have two front yard setbacks, but it also fits into the C2. Flexible. I mean, the benefits, again, the, uh, the, how this subdivision visit a neighborhood is probably the most important thing. Speaker 13 01:09:30 It's not a very large setback requirement and then 35 is required and we're at the back of the house is at 29.6 and then the front of the house is a 31.4. I mean, I don't think if someone drove down Palestinian, I haven't, I could tell that the house violated the front New York setback in that area. I think it's, uh, it's not going to change the streetscape at all. And as far as these variances. Now I believe the subdivision proposal with the viruses promotes the, uh, so the MQL by several items and I'll list those items. As I, as I see them is to encourage municipal action to guide the appropriate use for development of all lands in the state, no matter that will pre promote the public health, safety, morals, and general welfare, uh, C would be to promote attic, provide adequate light and air and open space. Speaker 13 01:10:34 He is relevant, the establishment of appropriate population, densities and concentrations that will contribute to the wellbeing of persons, neighborhoods, communities, and regions and preservation of the environment. And G would be to provoke sufficient space, provide sufficient space, inappropriate locations for a variety of agricultural residential, recreational commercial, and industrial uses and open space, both public and private. According to the respect of environmental requirements in order to meet the needs of all New Jersey citizens. I think these items, these benefits to the community without way, any detriments associated with the granting of the veterans for bringing our setback lot with unlock frontage, as far as the negative criteria goes, I believe there'll be no substantial detriment as a result of the proposed application and resulting variances since the proposed sub visual or grade two lots more harmonious with the town zone plan fit the surrounding neighborhood better than one big lot with a larger house. Speaker 13 01:11:48 The proposed proposed subdivision will result in two new homes that will improve the aesthetics of the area. The proposed variances are not unique to this neighborhood. The proposal is in character with other homes in the area, which also have deficient lot with frontage and front yard setbacks. And when looking at the possible impairments, a zone plan or master plan, I do not see any impairment that could result from this application. As again, the proposed subdivision will create two properties more in harmony and conformance with the township zone plan, a master plan, goals and objectives. So to sum this up, the reasons I believe that all the C both parents is for this application can be granted under the C1 and C2 criteria requirements, respectively as outline without any substantial detriment of public or impairment to the zone, a master plan. And that is the planning testimony. Do you want me to unshare my screen? Speaker 2 01:12:52 Thank you. Speaker 13 01:12:57 Okay, there you go. Speaker 1 01:13:01 Are there any questions of this witness from the members of the board? Speaker 2 01:13:08 Madam chair? I just have a question for Mr. . Mr. Henderson, you had an opportunity to review Mr. Gottlieb's all this 20th, 2021 report. I did. And with regard to the planning comments, a through J a is informational. And so it was B, but with regards to C through J you don't have any issue complying with those comments. Thank you, sir. Speaker 1 01:13:36 Okay. Could we, um, if there's no other questions, Mrs. Buckley, could you see if there's any questions from the public, Speaker 0 01:13:44 Anyone in the public have any questions or comments at this time? I don't see them on raising their hands. Madam chair. Speaker 1 01:13:56 Thank you. Is that the end of your application, Mr. Interesting. Yeah, that's basically it. I'm not sure. Hopefully it makes sense. Okay. Members of the board, um, may I, a motion is with reference to this application. Speaker 4 01:14:15 Um, Madam chair, Reverend Kenny, I make a motion that, uh, this, uh, application be approved. It meets the C one seat to various, even the, in that area. It's going to improve that area Brookside and, and the corner of Palisades. That area has been vastly improved throughout the couple of years, new homes have been going up and, uh, it's going to make it a great improvement because, uh, the applicant knows the area and knows what we need in communities like this. So I make a motion that this, uh, applicants, uh, application be approved Speaker 0 01:15:03 Not to cut you off. I apologize. Um, there's a H McCullough who just messaged me and said that they would like to speak on the application Speaker 2 01:15:11 And in the chat room, there's also a SES are massive foreal. Speaker 1 01:15:18 Okay. Um, Mr. Um, Speaker 0 01:15:22 You guys have to unmute, we don't know what, Speaker 2 01:15:25 Uh, I would suggest Mr. Reverend Kenny, just for purposes of procedurally, if you could withdraw your motion, let the members of the public, ask their questions and then, um, we could redo the motion if that, sorry. Yes, we can. Speaker 1 01:15:43 Reverend Kenny. Speaker 2 01:15:45 Okay. Um, Mr. McCollough or Mr. Mazza Pharrell. Speaker 14 01:15:51 Hello? Can you hear me? Speaker 2 01:15:53 Oh, who's speaking, sir. Speaker 14 01:15:55 Good evening. Everyone. Uh, members of the war, Madam chair. My name is . I am the, Speaker 1 01:16:04 So your name, sir. Could you spell your name and give us your address, please? Speaker 14 01:16:09 Certainly. Uh, so it's R C E S a R. My last name is a M a N S as in Sam, F as in Frank, O R R O L L. My residence. My residence is 59 Palisade avenue. Speaker 2 01:16:27 Okay. You swear him in? Speaker 3 01:16:31 Yes. Mr. Massive, can you please raise your right hand? You swear that the testimony you're about to give will be the truth and nothing but the truth. Speaker 14 01:16:39 Today's the truth. Yes. Speaker 3 01:16:41 Thank you. Speaker 14 01:16:45 Thank you everyone. Um, I'm, uh, I'm the media resident behind the property in question on the policy side and, uh, my feedback, uh, regarding, uh, the minor subdivision plans for this application, uh, it would be to deny this request. Um, the main reason is because I have safety concerns. I feel splitting the parcel and tube would mean more cars parked on the street. And because this is a corner lot, this will create a hazard with turning onto Brookside road coming out of Palisade, uh, as a resident of this community, uh, I could already feel the effects of, of excess roads, uh, parking, um, when turning right on, on Brookside road, coming out of Palisade, where there is an immediate hump and this creates a blind spot. So, um, subdividing this property, I feel that if there are cars parked near the front of the property on the Brookside road, it would create an additional hazard, um, when, when turning and, and that to me was a great concern. And, uh, that's, that's my, my main, my main, um, refund for denying this request, Speaker 2 01:18:10 Sir, just so you're aware there, the, the application complies with what are called the RSIs standards. So the standards that govern residential construction and the project that's been proposed, um, has the appropriate parking on site to comply. So they don't need any type of variance or anything for the parking they're providing enough with regards to the application. And obviously if there's a concern about people parking too close to the curb, um, you know, there's municipal ordinances that deal with that. And if you're concerned about that should certainly, you know, contact the administration of the police department. If there's a, if you're worried about people parking too close to the intersection, but thank you for your comments. Speaker 14 01:18:59 Well, thank you for your feedback, Mr. Marlin. I'm just expressing already my experience with, uh, the current, uh, the status of this property. And, uh, I, I, I just feel that it will just create more of a hazard. Thank you. Speaker 1 01:19:19 Um, there's another person who had a question. Speaker 0 01:19:23 I think that was it. Madam chair, anyone else in the public have any questions or comments? Speaker 1 01:19:32 No one else. Madam chair, thank you both to the public. Um, I returned to the board. Do you have a motion that you'd like to put forward with reference to this property? Speaker 4 01:19:46 Again, a Reverend Kenny, since this applicant meets all the criteria of C1, C2 in this neighborhood and the virus he's in compliance, the, it was street parking in that area. Like you say, he can address that to public safety if we need to. And you want to listen to that area, but this, uh, application is, and I, uh, this application be approved. Speaker 0 01:20:30 Ms. Saunders? Yes. Reverend Kenny, Mr. Espinosa. Speaker 1 01:20:40 Yes. Speaker 0 01:20:42 Mr. Foster and Madam chair. Speaker 1 01:20:46 Yes. Your, your application, Mr. Henderson. Thank you so much. I appreciate it. Everybody get home safe. Can I, do we have a motion to adjourn? If there's no other business, Speaker 3 01:21:03 I make a motion for a German. Madam chair. Speaker 1 01:21:08 Second. Thank you everyone. Have a good evening. Drive safe weekend. Come here. Speaker 0 01:21:23 Yes. Yeah. Bye-bye neighbor. Hey, Mr. Foster.