Transcript for Piscataway Planning meeting on October 8 2025

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Speaker 1     00:00:07    Madam Chair, you're  
Speaker 2     00:00:08    Muted.  
Speaker 3     00:00:08    You're, you're muted. Brenda,  
Speaker 2     00:00:13    Excuse me. The Piscataway Township Planning Board meeting will please come to order. Adequate notice of this meeting was provided in the following ways. Notice published in the Courier News notice posted on the bulletin board of the municipal building notice made available to the township clerk notice sent to the Courier News and the star ledger. Ms. Buckley, would you please call the role  
Speaker 3     00:00:36    Mayor Wahler. Present Councilwoman Cahill? Here. Ms. Corcoran? Here. Ms. Saunders?  
Speaker 4     00:00:44    Here.  
Speaker 3     00:00:44    Mr. Atkins? Here. Mr. Foster? He's here. Mike. Mr. Aria and Madam Chair  
Speaker 2     00:01:02    Here. Mr. Barlow, would you please read the open Public meeting Notice?  
Speaker 1     00:01:07    Certainly. Madam Chair, I just wanna place on the record that in keeping with the guidelines that have been disseminated by the Department of Community Affairs Planning Board has tried its best to comply with the Open Public Meeting Act and the DCA guidelines. In addition, the applicants who matters whose matters will be heard this evening had the login information for the online meeting platform put forth in the notices. Members of the public who wish to be heard will be afforded an opportunity as if they were in a, the actual physical space. And we've done our best to comply with the DCA guidelines and the Open Public Meetings Act. Madam Chair.  
Speaker 2     00:01:42    Thank you. I believe the flag is visible over my shoulder. Can we all recite the Pledge of Allegiance in unison? I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. For all. Item number five, can we swear in the professionals please?  
Speaker 4     00:02:14    Can you please raise your right hand? Do you swear that the testimony you're about to give will be the truth and nothing but the truth? I do. Thank you. Thank you.  
Speaker 2     00:02:22    Thank you. Are there any changes to tonight's agenda?  
Speaker 1     00:02:26    Ma Madam Madam Chair, just with regards to number 1125 PBO three slash oh four V 83 International in two Arlington Place, there are variances that are listed as being required. I just want to note that the applicant updated their plans to include everything that the township's professional staffs were seeking, and it no longer requires any variances of any kind. So it is just a minor subdivision. I know the agenda lists the number of variances. None of those are required anymore as the applicant complied with everything, whether it's the conduit or the enclosures for the ac, everything else. So the amended plan, so that's going to just be a straight minor subdivision. That's the only change, Madam Chair.  
Speaker 2     00:03:16    Okay. The record should reflect that in, in the minutes. So then we will go back to our agenda, which is the item number seven. Duly audited bills. Can I have a, a motion  
Speaker 3     00:03:34    Mad Mayor, Dawn Quirk. I'll make that motion.  
Speaker 2     00:03:37    Do I have a second? Councilwoman  
Speaker 4     00:03:39    Cahill. Second.  
Speaker 2     00:03:40    Thank you. Roll call please.  
Speaker 3     00:03:42    Mayor Wahler? Yes. Councilwoman Cahill? Yes. Ms. Corcoran? Yes. Ms. Saunders? Yes. Mr. Atkins? Yes. Mr. Foster?  
Speaker 2     00:03:52    Yes.  
Speaker 3     00:03:52    Judge Ari is not here. And Madam Chair? Yes.  
Speaker 2     00:03:56    Item number eight. Re adoption of the resolutions taken on September the 10th. Okay.  
Speaker 4     00:04:02    Madam Chairman, I'd like to, oh,  
Speaker 2     00:04:05    Says none madam  
Speaker 3     00:04:06    Or none?  
Speaker 2     00:04:08    We have none tonight. Okay. Okay. Thank you. Item number nine, adoption of the minutes from the regular meeting of September the 10th.  
Speaker 4     00:04:16    Okay. Madam Chair, I like, hello Madam Chairman, I'd like to adopt the Menez from the regular meeting of September 10th, 2025.  
Speaker 2     00:04:26    Second please. I second it. Thank you. Roll call please.  
Speaker 3     00:04:31    Mayor Wahler? Yes. Councilwoman Cahill? Yes. Ms. Corcoran? Yes. Ms. Saunders? Yes. Mr. Atkins? Yes. Mr. Foster? Yes. And Madam Chair?  
Speaker 2     00:04:45    Yes. Item number 10 24 PB 7 0 7 Raven Heights, LLC and Ki Kauri Final major subdivision. Mr. Larry Lavender appearing.  
Speaker 5     00:05:01    Good afternoon or good evening everyone. It's good to see you again. Madam Chairman. Mr. Mayor, Mr. Barlow's, good to see you. My name's Larry Lavender. I'm from the law firm of Wiley Lavender Mcno. My client is Ray Heights, LLC, with the owner of said LLC Ki Kaori here as Madam Chairman said for final subdivision. Preliminary was approved back in August of 2022. Property is 17 and 21 School Street.  
Speaker 1     00:05:31    Madam Chair, just briefly as Mr. Lavender indicated, this board by resolution adopted on September 14th, 2022 had granted the applicant preliminary major subdivision on both variances. He spent the time since then making sure that they complied with all of the conditions of said preliminary major subdivision. And I believe Ms. Corcoran can confirm with having complied with all of that. They are now seeking major final major so that they can go to the building department and start building. With regards to the three lab subdivision and  
Speaker 6     00:06:12    Madam Chair, that is correct. The applicant has con complied with all of the conditions of the preliminary approval.  
Speaker 2     00:06:21    So if there's no questions, do we need to go to the public?  
Speaker 1     00:06:26    I would open to the public Madam Chair.  
Speaker 2     00:06:28    Okay. This matter is open to the public. Anyone having questions regarding this application? You may indicate by waving your hand,  
Speaker 3     00:06:38    Raising your hand, or if you're at the phone, star six. No. And Madam Chair.  
Speaker 2     00:06:44    All right. Close to the public members of the board, do you have any questions? If not, I'll take a motion.  
Speaker 6     00:06:53    Madam Chair, Dawn Corcoran, I'd like to make the motion that we prove the application for final major sub.  
Speaker 2     00:07:00    Do I have a second?  
Speaker 4     00:07:01    Carol Saunders second.  
Speaker 2     00:07:03    Welcome.  
Speaker 3     00:07:05    Mayor Wahler? Yes. Councilwoman Cahill? Yes. Ms. Corcoran? Yes. Ms. Saunders? Yes. Mr. Atkins? Yes. Mr. Foster? Yes. And Madam Chair?  
Speaker 2     00:07:19    Yes. Okay.  
Speaker 1     00:07:22    Thank you all very much.  
Speaker 2     00:07:23    You're quite welcome. Good luck.  
Speaker 1     00:07:26    Well done. Larry. Heavy lifting. Yes, sir.  
Speaker 3     00:07:29    Right. Thank you all.  
Speaker 1     00:07:31    I'll see you.  
Speaker 2     00:07:32    Item number 1125 PB zero three slash zero four V as in Victor Siva Kumar Na for a minor. Subdivision?  
Speaker 7     00:07:44    Yes ma'am. I'm here.  
Speaker 2     00:07:45    Okay. You may proceed.  
Speaker 1     00:07:50    Well, just Madam Chair, since Mr. Not is the owner and the applicant, he's representing himself, he may be giving testimony, I think out of just an abundance of caution, if we could have Ms. Saunders swear him in.  
Speaker 2     00:08:04    Okay. Can you please,  
Speaker 4     00:08:05    Can you please raise your hand, right hand please? Do you swear that the testimony you're about to give will be the truth and nothing but the truth?  
Speaker 7     00:08:12    Yes, I agree about the truth. Thank you. All right. So I am seeking a subdivision of both the properties like, I mean like I own 83 International as well as to Arlington. And I want to extend my like, you know, primary residence backyard. So that's why I'm like asking to move the lot line to like, you know, give a better, bigger lot for 83 International.  
Speaker 1     00:08:36    And Mr. Ryerson or Ms. Corcoran, can you just confirm that the applicant's amended plans that he submitted to the township did away with any of the variances that were originally noted in the application?  
Speaker 3     00:08:52    Well, I'll wait for Dawn  
Speaker 8     00:08:54    To unmute. I think we're on the same page.  
Speaker 6     00:08:59    That is correct. And the applicant even applied for the permits to move the AC units out of the easement area for the existing dwelling.  
Speaker 7     00:09:09    It, it was already applied and pop road and it's closed.  
Speaker 6     00:09:14    Excellent,  
Speaker 8     00:09:15    Thank you. And, and just for the record, what we received secondary was an engineering one page showing all of these items. Most of our comments that I didn't say were marked as satisfied is because we didn't see an amended because our original review was based on the subdivision plan. So I, if everything is, you know, e everything is okay with the applicant. We have no other other comments.  
Speaker 7     00:09:40    Thank you.  
Speaker 6     00:09:42    And the applicant has addressed all of the items in the staff report as well.  
Speaker 1     00:09:46    Okay. And, and both lots are of, it's a minimum lot area of 10,000 square feet and the proposed lots exceed that. So again, he's kind of taking a piece off of one property and adding it to another.  
Speaker 2     00:10:01    Okay.  
Speaker 1     00:10:02    And, and, and sir, just so you understand, if the board votes favorably on your subdivision, you're going to need to have an attorney prepare a subdivision deeds for filing. Okay?  
Speaker 7     00:10:14    Yes sir. I do understand Mr. Cochrane is like, you know, good enough to advise me all this next proceeding. So thank you so much Mr. Cochrane.  
Speaker 6     00:10:23    You're very welcome.  
Speaker 2     00:10:24    Okay, we still have to open it to the public members of, members of the public. Does anyone in the public have any questions about this piece of property or have any questions or comments about this application? No. One Madam Chair. Thank you. Close to the public. All right. Members of the board, any questions or I'll take a motion?  
Speaker 9     00:10:53    Madam Chair, I just wanna confirm with Mr. Barlow that a notice was sent out to all neighbors and we have, we have that backup.  
Speaker 1     00:11:06    Well, Councilman Kale, as Ms. Buckley can confirm, because this is a minor subdivision, it's an approval by Right. And no variances were sought. This application doesn't require notice to the 200 foot. Okay. That it would normally be. He publishes it and he has to notify the  
Speaker 7     00:11:31    Board of Education, the board  
Speaker 6     00:11:32    Of Ed, the one,  
Speaker 1     00:11:33    The board of Ed and utility. And he has done that and provided Ms. Buckley with the appropriate proofs for saying,  
Speaker 9     00:11:39    Okay, so that means this gentleman, the resident, you have not come before this board. You addressed everything before your first presentation here today,  
Speaker 7     00:11:49    Correct. Ms? Yeah, I'll say again, Mr. Mrs. Cochrane was able kind enough to advise me on what need to be done so you don't waste everybody's time, you know? Thank you so much.  
Speaker 9     00:11:59    Well, thank you Dawn. Yeah, she's welcome. They're very good at, okay, very good then. That, that was my only question. Thank you.  
Speaker 2     00:12:05    Certainly if there are no more questions, are we ready for a motion?  
Speaker 6     00:12:14    Madam Chair Dawn Corcoran. I'll make a motion to approve the application for minor subdivision  
Speaker 9     00:12:20    And I'll second that.  
Speaker 2     00:12:22    Okay. Thank you. Roll call please.  
Speaker 3     00:12:24    Mayor Wahler? Yes. Councilwoman Cahill? Yes. Ms. Corcoran? Yes. Ms. Saunders? Yes. Mr. Atkins? Yes. Mr. Foster? Yes. And Madam Chair?  
Speaker 2     00:12:37    Yes. Thank you. Good luck Mr. Netara.  
Speaker 7     00:12:43    Thank you so much. Do I need to stay or re You are free to go, sir. Thank, thank you so much. Have a good night guys. Have a good night.  
Speaker 2     00:12:52    You  
Speaker 7     00:12:53    Too. Yeah. Thank you. Bye bye.  
Speaker 2     00:12:55    Item number 1225 PB zero five slash 0 6 1700 Washington Avenue Investments LLC for preliminary and final site plan and major subdivision.  
Speaker 10    00:13:09    Good. Mr. Arch? Yes, good evening everybody. Members of the board, board professionals. It's been a little while since I've been in front of the planning board. I think the zoning board is getting tired of me, but it's good to see you all tonight. Oh,  
Speaker 2     00:13:20    Welcome back.  
Speaker 10    00:13:22    So I'm here, I'm here tonight representing 1700 South Washington Avenue Investments LLC. And you're correct. We're seeking preliminary and final site plan with major subdivision approval to construct 190 senior living apartments split across four buildings consisting of three or four stories per building and totaling approximately 316 to 317,000 square feet, including a clubhouse as well as separately subdividing 44 lots, which are going to contain senior single family detached homes. So the property in question is approximately 42.9 acres and it's located at 1700 South Washington Avenue along Sunny Avenue and Carol Lane and known as block 5 7 0 1 lot 11. And it is in the 1700 South Washington Avenue re redevelopment plan zone. And I'm happy to confirm and we will also confirm through testimony that we are compliant with that plan. We are not seeking any deviations from that redevelopment zone. So there's really two major components to this.  
Speaker 10    00:14:26    There's the apartment component and then the single family component. So you'll see as we kind of go through the presentation, we're gonna essentially be presenting each of them individually just to keep everything as organized as possible. But it's all part of the same lot. This is a really exciting project for us because it's providing a much needed product to Piscataway. The township has rightly identified senior housing in high demand for the residents of Piscataway and in passing the redevelopment plan in place for this property, they had that use in mind. And looking at everybody on the board, I can see that nobody on this board is close to senior age. So you'll have to imagine for a moment what it would be like to be a senior. But I think that you'll find that the proposal is something that Piscataway will be very proud to be able to offer to its residents.  
Speaker 10    00:15:13    I do want to additionally thank the townships professionals who have worked very closely with our team, literally for years at this point, to make sure that we're not only checking boxes to be conforming with the redevelopment plan, which we are, but really going above and beyond to make something that's gonna be exceptional that I, I think the town's gonna be really proud of. So, so thank everybody. So with that I do want to acknowledge the staff reports. We have the DNR report dated October 1st, 2025. We have the famous TRIPARTY staff report, which is dated September 29th. We have a fire review memoed dated October 2nd CMEs report dated October 1st and the Dolan and Dean traffic report dated August 20th. We believe that we can address all the comments in the report and we will happily continue to work with your professionals to their satisfaction as part of any compliance. I do wanna mention there were two comments briefly that I believe were in the tri-party report that we just want to confirm. We are agreeing to the, that's the fiber optic conduit as well as providing appropriate fencing around our stormwater basins. So I just wanna confirm we are complying with that. So we are a fully conforming application with no deviations unless there's any preliminary questions of me, I do have three witnesses tonight and so I'm ready to proceed unless, unless anybody has any preliminary questions.  
Speaker 1     00:16:31    Tim? Tim, just one question. Did you say 40 or 44? Single family?  
Speaker 10    00:16:36    So it's 44 lots, however you'll see there's 44 single fam, or sorry, 40 single family homes I believe, or 39. I'm gonna, I'm gonna defer to my engineer on that one when we get to him, but some of those lots are gonna be utilized as stormwater and I think there's an open space lot. So 44 lots for the subdivision. Not all of them are gonna contain a A home however, but we'll see that. Okay,  
Speaker 1     00:16:57    That's what I saw. 40 detached residences. I just wanted to, but I'm sure the testimony will reveal that. Thank you.  
Speaker 10    00:17:05    Not a problem. Okay, so my first witness tonight is, is Chris Zale from Menlo Engineering. He's our civil engineer and if we could have him sworn in. Okay.  
Speaker 4     00:17:17    Chris, can you please raise your right hand?  
Speaker 11    00:17:20    Yep. Right here.  
Speaker 4     00:17:22    Do you swear that the testimony about the gate will be the truth and nothing but the truth?  
Speaker 11    00:17:25    I do.  
Speaker 4     00:17:26    Thank you.  
Speaker 10    00:17:28    Chris, if you can briefly just let the board know your qualification so they can accept you as a civil engineer.  
Speaker 11    00:17:34    Yes, my name is Christopher Sole, last name is S as in Sam, Z as in zebra, A LAY. I currently work at Menlo Engineering Associates located at 2 61 Cleveland Avenue in Highland Park, New Jersey. Received a bachelor's degree in civil engineering from the University of Rhode Island in 2008. And I've been a licensed professional engineer in the state of New Jersey since 2013. My license is in good standing and I've testified before this board as well as many other boards throughout the state. I  
Speaker 10    00:18:05    Would ask that he be accepted as a expertise. Civil engineering, he's accepted for this board. Thank you. Thank  
Speaker 11    00:18:12    You.  
Speaker 10    00:18:13    Chris, you're familiar with the site, you're familiar with the plan, you're familiar with all the specifics. If you can, if you can just take us through that and I'll give the floor over to you.  
Speaker 11    00:18:23    Absolutely. Thank you Tim. So tonight I have prepared for you four exhibits that if I can share my screen I will, yeah, introduce them to the board.  
Speaker 1     00:18:34    Christopher, what we'll do is first one will be a one, A two, eight and we'll just, we'll mark them as such. Okay?  
Speaker 11    00:18:41    Okay, great. And  
Speaker 1     00:18:42    If when you bring them up each one, if you could just identify it for the record.  
Speaker 11    00:18:47    Okay. So can everyone see my screen at this point?  
Speaker 10    00:18:51    Yes sir. Yes.  
Speaker 11    00:18:52    Alright, so this first exhibit is entitled RIA dash 1700 Washington Avenue, existing Conditions exhibit dated ten eight twenty five, which I'll introduce as a one. And this exhibit is depicting an aerial background that shows the existing conditions of the subject property. The property boundary is highlighted and you'll see we have two boxes highlighted, known as site A and site B, site A being the location of the single family subdivision and site B being the location of the multifamily development. The second exhibit I'll introduce is entitled Rhea 1700 Washington Avenue overall plan, exhibit dated ten eight twenty five as well. This is an overview really over the same aerial background, same scale, and it now shows the proposed site improvements within site A and site B as a colorized rendering. And this was basically colorized rendering of the submitted overall plan. That was part of the site plan set. The third exhibit that I'll be sharing is entitled R 1700 Washington Avenue site A site plan Exhibit.  
Speaker 11    00:20:03    And this is essentially zoomed in site plan colorized rendering of the site plan over the same aerial background at a larger scale with the zone table shown and landscaping shown as well. And again, this is a colorized rendering of the submitted site plan that was part of the site plan set. And the fourth exhibit A four is a zoomed in colorized rendering of the site plan for site B. And this is entitled R 1700 Washington Avenue, site B site plan. Exhibit also dated ten eight twenty five. And this has the zone table and landscaping shown as well. So those are the four exhibits that I'll be referring to as I go through my testimony. What I'll start with is exhibit A one and describing the property as a whole. The subject property is an irregular shaped lot, approximately 42.97 acres in area and is designated as block 57 0 1 lot 11 as shown on the tax map for Piscataway Township has approximately 789 linear feet of frontage on the west side of South Washington Avenue.  
Speaker 11    00:21:17    And the property extends back and, and somewhat of an L shape towards the west towards SU study avenue. The address is 1700 South Washington Avenue. It's located about a thousand feet north of the intersection with Mettler's Lane. And the site is located, was within the SCH senior citizen housing zone and is subject to the regulations of the 1700 South Washington Avenue redevelopment plan, which is dated April 25th, 2025. Surrounding the property, you'll see to the north there's an el the elementary school, and then there's additional industrial warehouses that are just a little bit off, off the view to the east of the property. There's open space that is designated, I believe, to be a township park in the future to the south of the site. There's an additional lot that is part of the redevelopment plan for 1700 South Washington Avenue that will also hopefully, eventually be senior citizen housing.  
Speaker 11    00:22:19    And beyond that, there's Woodland Road with single family homes and to the west of the property there's additional single family homes along Study Avenue and Carroll Lane. Currently the property is vacant. It's mostly open space, as you can see to the, to the southeast and to the northwest. And then there's a, a big area of woods in the middle of the property. Most of that wooded area is wetlands currently at per A-D-E-P-L-O-I that has been obtained. The wetlands have a 50 foot wetlands buffer and there's three pockets of additional isolated wetlands in the northwest corner of the site. And really the only significant existing feature on site is A-J-C-P-N-L 100 foot wide easement for high power tension wires where there's a, a tower and two additional utility poles located on the east side of the site near to South Washington Avenue.  
Speaker 11    00:23:22    And based on really all this, the constraints, the developable area of the site is, is greatly reduced from the 43 acres site to about 22 acres. That that is really developable due to the environmental constraints. I'll move to exhibit A two and, and what we're seeking approval for tonight is preliminary and final site plan approval and major subdivision. And as, as Tim stated, there's really two components to this application site A, which is the single family subdivision and site B, which is the multifamily containing 190 apartments and 30, it's actually 39 single family homes. So there the subdivision is for 45 lots over the property. 44 of the lots are located within the single family portion that's 39 single family homes, an open space lot, three basin lots, and actually the last lot is for the roadway, which is to be privately owned and maintained. And that was at the request of the township. And then the, the last lot, the 45th lot is the remainder of the site, which is encompasses the multifamily portion of the project as well as the large area of wetlands between the two sites.  
Speaker 11    00:24:46    And so now that we kind of got an overview, I'll focus on each site individually and go through again, you know, existing conditions of each, each area, propose improvements and then maybe it would make sense to even take some questions if anyone has any questions on each site while without confusing things too much. So focusing on site a, I'll actually go back to the existing conditions exhibit A one. This portion of the site that is being developed within site A and the, the 44 lots as part of the four single family subdivision consists of 9.07 acres. This area is mostly field open space as you can see with a few small pockets of woods and then three isolated wetland areas. And then it just encroaches slightly into the larger wetland area to the south. The site slopes pretty significantly from the northeast corner of the property to the southwest corner towards Carol Lane and to the south towards the large pocket of wetlands.  
Speaker 11    00:25:51    It slopes about 24 feet from elevation 98 down to 74. So there's quite a bit of great change that we're we're dealing with through this piece of property. And so what the applicant is seeking approval for is a 44 is 39 single family, single family homes. Access to the property is from Arrow Lane, which is a 50 foot wide public right of way off of study Avenue. We are extending Carroll Lane, approximately 1800 square, 1800 linear feet and, and kind of a looped configuration as a private roadway to, to provide frontage for each of the single family homes. The density based on the 39 single family homes on this 9.07 acre area is about 4.3 units per acre, which is compliant with the redevelopment plan. The lots vary in size from about 5,000 square feet for one of these typical rectangular shaped lots that are 50 by 100 in dimension and up to the largest lot, I believe is 10,681 square feet.  
Speaker 11    00:27:05    And that's one of these corner lots where the property kind of jogs back a little bit deeper. And the the lot is a little bit more irregularly shaped. The each home requires a setback of 20 feet along the front, 12 feet on either side and 35 feet from the rear. And the homes vary in size from about 1900 square feet to 2100 square feet in, in total floor area. Now this complies with all of the redevelopment plan requirements for maximum building coverage of 20% permitted and maximum height of not more than 30 feet. The design and architectural design comply completely with the redevelopment plan. Each home contains a single car garage and a 12 foot wide driveway that extends to the Carol Lane extension Extended road providing two parking spaces for each, each single family home, which again is compliant with the re redevelopment plan and RSIS standards.  
Speaker 11    00:28:09    There's sidewalk provided along both sides of the road to allow for pedestrian passive recreation and, and exercise. And, and it leads down to one of the nons single family lots, which is lot. One is an open space lot that provides a nice landscaping area gazebo and a couple benches for residents to get a little passive exercise and, and sit down in a nice landscaped area. The remaining three or four lots are three lots for stormwater basins. There's one centrally located in the middle of the site, another one at nor near the southwest portion of the improvements and the one at the southeast side of the site. And again, that's, you know, with this, with the grade, the existing grade of the site grading towards the south, the basins are located middle to, to the south end of the, the single family subdivision. And then the final lot again is within the private roadway that is to be owned and maintained by an HOA that will be created as part of this project to gen essentially maintain everything that comes along with this age restricted housing development.  
Speaker 11    00:29:26    Regarding storm water management. The property, the project is a major development since it been a trigger stormwater management being over an acre of disturbance and greater than a quarter acre of increased impervious coverage. The applicant proposes to construct a conventional stormwater system consisting of underground pipes, catch basins, which will convey runoff to the multiple bio retention basins due to the, the significant slope from one side of the site. There'll also be a drainage swale that runs along the, the rear of each of the properties, which will convey some of the offsite drainage in stormwater runoff that since kind of this whole area drains to the south, we have a significant drainage area to, to try and bypass some of the stormwater runoff around our basins through a swale and, and to the wetlands beyond our site, which is maintaining the existing drainage pattern that that exists today, we're following all green infrastructure requirements by providing bio retention basins, which will achieve multiple functions in the stormwater design.  
Speaker 11    00:30:31    One being water quality, which we're, we're achieving 80% TSS removal for all, for all pavement surfaces. And secondly, for runoff quantity reductions to, to meet all requirements of the DEP municipality, county and, and soil erosion. Our design certainly complies with all of these requirements utilizing the green infrastructure design. Moving on to utilities, sewer is available in Saudi Avenue, so we're providing a, a sewer main extension that will service each of the 39 homes. And similarly with water, gas, electric utility connections will all be serviced from existing infrastructure within study avenue. And then finally, fiber optics, which is going to be provided or is, is provided on the plans along both the frontages, along both sides of the roads so that when you know high speed, you know, internet broadband think Fios is, is available in the area, we'll have these fiber optics, conduit, fiber optics conduits available for for the residents to, to obtain that service.  
Speaker 11    00:31:46    Moving on to, to landscape, you'll see we've provided a su substantial amount of landscaping throughout the site, including nice perimeter landscaping, utilizing evergreen trees and shade trees to provide some buffering between the new development and existing single family residences to the west. In total we're providing 152 shade trees, 161 evergreens, 24 flowering trees and 88 shrubs. We, we did provide with this latest resubmission tree replacement calculations by going out to the site and, and taking some tree counts in a tree plot and then pro rating it across the site based on the amount of wooded area. And so that's, that's within the site plan set. And finally, for, for lighting design, we've designed the site utilizing 16 pole mounted LED lantern style fixtures, which are more decorative and residential looking, kind of a nicer look than, than some of the, the taller industrial commercial light fixtures. And they're mounted at, I believe, 14 feet high to provide an average of about 0.64 foot candles through the roadway to provide safe and adequate lighting to the development without getting too bright since this is a rise residential development. And that really finishes my direct testimony on site A. So if there's any questions from the board or that anyone has, I'd be happy to answer on this before I move on to site B and the multifamily  
Speaker 12    00:33:30    Madam chair, this is Mayor Wall. I just have one question. Mr. Ate the southerly portion of where there's no sidewalk going out to Carol Lane, and is there a reason why there's no sidewalk on that side?  
Speaker 11    00:33:43    No, it was just because we're, we're tying into the existing sidewalk on Carol Lane. So that's really the main reason is that there's existing sidewalk there that we're connecting to. So we just funnel  
Speaker 12    00:33:51    Onto is you, you're gonna have to run the sidewalk on that southerly side.  
Speaker 11    00:33:56    Okay. I don't think that should be an issue.  
Speaker 12    00:33:59    Okay.  
Speaker 2     00:34:01    Any other questions of the board members of this part, of portion of the testimony so far?  
Speaker 9     00:34:06    Madam Chair, if I could just go ahead, Councilman, if, if you thank you very much. If you don't mind just could point out on the map again where the wetlands are in relation to the development.  
Speaker 11    00:34:20    So really the wetlands are right along the back of the subdivision line. You can see this, this dark black line here is the limit of wetlands. Okay. So it runs right along the, the perimeter of the subdivision and then from that wetlands line there's a 50 foot buffer. So it actually encroaches onto the site slightly, which, which will be requiring a DP perimeter for.  
Speaker 9     00:34:45    Did you mention there were a couple of other pockets on this site? I  
Speaker 11    00:34:49    Thought yes, there's three isolated pockets. It's there, it's a little over a half acre of isolated wetlands, which were permitted to fill up to an acre on any property. So we're applying to the DEP to fill those isolated pockets.  
Speaker 9     00:35:07    Okay, thank you.  
Speaker 2     00:35:09    Any other questions from the members of the board?  
Speaker 4     00:35:13    Madam Chair, this is Carol Saunders. I had a question, are there gonna be sheds on these smaller properties?  
Speaker 11    00:35:18    No, I believe it was actually the, the town requested that no sheds be permitted on the properties. Okay. And really, and since an HOA will be created to, to pretty much fully maintain these properties, there's less need for, you know, sheds for lawnmowers and that sort of thing.  
Speaker 4     00:35:34    Alright, thank you  
Speaker 2     00:35:38    Mr. Barlow, you think we should open up to the public at this point?  
Speaker 1     00:35:41    No, Madam Chair, I would open to the public when all of the testimonies end.  
Speaker 2     00:35:46    Okay. Hearing no further questions from the board at this time, we can, an  
Speaker 12    00:35:49    Additional question. Okay. Where the homes are, Mr. Sole, I forget the, the redevelopment plan. Is there gonna be like if somebody wants a patio outside?  
Speaker 11    00:36:03    As long as the, the property main is under the impervious coverage.  
Speaker 12    00:36:08    Okay.  
Speaker 11    00:36:09    Permittance then I, I don't believe that was restricted, no.  
Speaker 12    00:36:12    Okay.  
Speaker 6     00:36:15    Madam Chair, if I may, Dawn Corcoran, Mr. Slay, are is the intent to have basements on these homes?  
Speaker 11    00:36:22    No, there's no, no basements proposed. Okay,  
Speaker 6     00:36:25    Thank you.  
Speaker 2     00:36:29    Okay, I guess you can move on, sir.  
Speaker 11    00:36:33    Okay, thank you. So moving on to site B, again, as I said, these are really two standalone sites that are separated by that large wetland body. For the, for site plan B, we're seeking approval for four multifamily apartment buildings. The buildings are a mix of three and four stories and contain 190 apartments, and that's broken down to 134 2 bedroom apartments and 56 1 bedroom apartments. And as stated, the developable land of this portion of the site, like this larger lot, which is 33.9 acres, the developable areas actually more like 16.3 acres due to the, the large area of wetlands. So 16.29 acres is the area that's not wetlands. And that provides a net density of 11.66 units per acre, where the redevelopment plan permits 12 units per acre. The complex also includes an 8,000 square foot single story clubhouse with a pool, pool shed, large patio area around the pool.  
Speaker 11    00:37:48    And then three pickleball pickleball courts for recreation. This clubhouse is going to be available to the residents of both the multifamily and the single family developments. Access to the site is from the southeast corner on South Washington Avenue. It's, it's a boulevard style entrance where there's a, a grass median that separates the ingress and egress lane. So we can provide some nice landscaping from South Washington Avenue. The entrance is planned to be at the moment right in, right out only as required by the township unless we, we are applying for a left turn in from South Washington Avenue, but we're applying if the county permits it, then, then when we will request the left turn in and make the required improvements as, as determined by the county and the township professionals. Were, were okay with that.  
Speaker 11    00:38:46    The layout and circulation we're, we're really dictated due to the constraints of the property. We have an 85 foot front yard setback from South Washington Avenue, which provides a nice green corridor along South Washington Avenue. We're constrained to the west by the wetlands and the 50 foot wetlands buffers. And then really within this developable area, we have a JCP and L overhead wire easement, which is easier to see on the existing conditions. Plan really cuts right through the center of our developable area. So it, it took some time to, to come up with a layout that really worked due with the constraints. And then also with the grade change from the, the northeast corner of the property, we have the same about 20, 25 feet of grade change from north to south. And actually I didn't, I didn't mean to touch on the existing conditions of this portion there.  
Speaker 11    00:39:46    Similar to, to the site A, it's mostly open space with some pockets of trees. And again, the only significant improvements on this area is that JCP and L easement and we're, we're essentially staying out of the, the wetland area. So going back to to, to a four. And the, the proposed improvements, the constraints really, really drove the, the access and layout and circulation of, of the site. So the four buildings are designated as A through D building A is a three story 49,317 square foot building containing 31 units. And it's set 86 feet back from the South Washington Avenue right of way. Building B is a 46,033 square foot building in total. And it's actually split three and four story with the back half of the building being four stories and the front half being three stories with a rooftop terrace. And that was to keep from either of the two buildings along the South wa Washington frontage from being two overbearing along the right of way being four stories in heights.  
Speaker 11    00:41:04    So we, we were limited to three stories and this building B contains 29 units. The two larger of the four buildings building C and D are located towards the rear. Each of these buildings are four stories in height with building C being a total of 97,833 square feet and containing 62 units and building D being l l-shaped, building four stories in height, 109,936 square feet. And this building contains 68 units again for a total of 190 units. The clubhouse, 8,000 square foot clubhouse is located at the end of the entrance boulevard. So it does provide a more kind of aesthetic look when you enter the, the, the site and it's located adjacent to building D. And again, this has the pool and patio and, and recreation in the rear. And it's kind of located towards the, the middle of the development to provide it easy access for, for all, all residents.  
Speaker 11    00:42:08    The parking field is, is more centrally located between all of the buildings and it contains 314 parking spaces and that includes 27 land bank parking spaces. If, if deemed that, that we need the parking spaces located around the JCP and L tower. So I guess I'll touch on that in regards to the layout and circulation, the JCP and L tower is located between buildings B and C and, and requires a 100 foot buffer or 50 foot on all sides of that tower. So that, that's why we have that large green space there that we provided the, the land bank parking around that, that green space there. If, if we determine that we, we need it, each of the spaces are size nine by 18 and drive aisles are 25 feet wide, which is compliant with the redevelopment plan, township ordinance and r rs i as requirements, we parked the site at 1.5 spaces per unit in accordance with the the redevelopment plan and an additional 14 spaces required for, for the clubhouse whi, which brings us into compliance with the 314 spaces. And the complex also includes 11 handicap spaces and 44 EV spaces. And we, we spread those out in near each building. So we have two spaces in front of buildings, A and B, and then two in front of C, two in front of D, and then three in front of the clubhouse to, to provide accessibility to, to each of the buildings for, for residents and visitors.  
Speaker 11    00:43:49    The layout complies with all required setback and coverage requirements. As I stated, 85 feet from South Washington Avenue and there's more than enough setback space from the rear of the property as well as the side side yard setbacks and we're under on the maximum building and, and impervious coverages buildings, BC and D are equipped with pickup drop off areas. You could see we have these areas where someone can come and, and drop someone off towards the front of the building and, and kind of allow 'em to enter the building at the, the main entrance, which each have a, a canopy or overhang sidewalk is provided along the frontage of each of these buildings and really interconnects throughout the site to provide accessibility and a DA accessibility for, for all residents and visitors. The sidewalk continues to a perimeter walkway, which provides some, you know, passive or active recreation.  
Speaker 11    00:44:47    There's some, there's benches located intermittently along the, the walkway to provide areas to the rest to relax outside. There's a nice roundabout with some landscaping behind building B. And then the, the walkways will connect to the, to the clubhouse and down to the sidewalk provided along the South Washington Avenue frontage. And you'll see that along the, the perimeter walkway, we provide an additional 10 foot wide strip of reinforced grass pavers. This was a requirement of the fire official and it's one of the reasons that we resubmitted the plans again before this, this public meeting to show that we were able to comply with the fire officials concerns and requirements that access for emergency vehicles could be made around the back of the buildings, which we were able to do that. So each, each of the apartment buildings has emergency accessibility behind the back of the buildings.  
Speaker 11    00:45:46    And it's not so much as the fire official explained to fight fires, but in case access is needed for a ladder truck, for a rescue or, or some, some sort of rescue behind the buildings, they wanted emergency vehicles to be able to make that access. But they said fire, actual fire fighting would, you know, in, in that rare, you know, occurrence that would, would take place from the the central parking area. And we did, we did actually just recently receive a, an approval letter from the fire officials saying that we, we really complied with all of their comments, their, their major concerns, and then we'll work with them for additional hydrants and, and fire department connections and that sort of thing.  
Speaker 11    00:46:26    We, we also provided four dumpster enclosures, one located near each building. So near buildings A and B, we have dumpster enclosures near, near South Washington Avenue between the two buildings, building C as a dumpster enclosure off the, the south corner of the building. And then the fourth dumpster enclosure is between the clubhouse and building D where the, the refuse will, will, there's space allotted within the building to collect, refuse internally. And then, and a member of the building management will bring, bring, refuse and recycling out to, to these enclosures to be picked up by a private hauler. And since it's a private hauler, we can really determine how many pickups are, are required. I know there's a question about the volume of recycling that may be required for as a breakdown of each unit. And, and if we need to, we'll, we'll work with the Department of Public works on that. If we need additional dumpster enclosure space, we can provide it. But feel that, you know, given that these are senior age restricted homes, they, you know, at the same amount of recycling may not be generated as a typical single family residence. But we can certainly work with the Department of Public Works to, to satisfy their concerns and, and provide the additional dumpster enclosure area if needed.  
Speaker 11    00:47:48    And we are providing a freestanding sign located within that Boulevard entrance in the, in the center median, that, that will comply with the redevelopment plan. The sign will be a max of 32 square feet, six feet in height and setback 20 feet from the South Washington Avenue public right of way. And again, this, the site design is, is in accordance with the redevelopment plan and RSIS standards. Moving on to stormwater and utilities, again, the, the site drains mostly from north to south. We provided four separate bio retention basins, which again meet, meet the requirements of, of green infrastructure. The basins help us meet water quality requirements and run off quantity requirements. And then discharge to about, about half the site, the two basins near building c and d discharged toward the wetlands. And then the other two basins discharge towards South Washington Avenue, we'll, where we'll be running a stormwater line down South Washington Avenue to, to discharge to the nearby drainage ditch that across the South Washington Avenue, just a few hundred feet away.  
Speaker 11    00:49:03    Again, the, the reasoning behind the, the two separate discharge points is that's what it, where, where runoff goes in the existing additions. And the, the plan is always to try and maintain existing drainage patterns where, where possible. So the, the design really meets all DEP, again, DPS Township, municipal County Soil Erosion Standards. And regarding the, the additional utilities there's for South Washington Avenue to be in such a major road, there's not as many utilities nearby on this site. We we're running a sewer extension approximately 1200 feet to the south, down the center of South Washington Avenue to connect to the nearest sewer manhole that's at the intersection with Mettler's Lane. And we're running an existing water main extension to the north. That one's about 11, 1100 feet to the north to connect to the nearest existing water main closer to NOx Drive where, where the industrial warehouses are located. And then gas electric, again, what we'll be connecting to existing infrastructure and fiber optics will be run along the property frontage as, as required.  
Speaker 11    00:50:20    Again, what we're proposing, a substantial amount of landscaping to provide nice green perimeter and screening along South Washington Avenue and, and along the, the perimeter to the west. And, and then in intermittently throughout the parking lot, each parking aisle has a green island between the, the head on parking spaces and that's to, to break up the pavement a little bit, to provide some additional greenery and, and trees throughout, throughout the site. So in total we're providing 73 shade trees, 103 evergreen trees, 83 flowering trees, 628 shrubs and 1,167 ground cover as shown on the submitted landscape plan. So again, a substantial amount of landscaping to really make this a nice residential community. And lastly, lighting. We're providing the same decorative lantern style light fixtures. There's 36 of them located throughout the parking lot, mounted at 14 feet in height. And then where we're more restricted in the JCP and l easement, we, we had to raise the elevation of those light fixtures to 18 feet just to cast light a little bit further into that easement without actually placing light fixtures within that JCP and l easement because it's, it is restricted by that utility.  
Speaker 11    00:51:45    So again, we're, we're providing safe and adequate lighting throughout the facility with a, a minimum of 0.6 foot candles within the parking area and an average of, of 1.2 to, to two foot candles throughout the, the parking and drive aisles, which is, which is certainly a safe level without being too bright within a residential complex. And again, that, that really sums up my direct testimony. If there's any questions for, for site B  
Speaker 2     00:52:15    Okay. Members of the board, what questions do you have of Mr. Sle  
Speaker 12    00:52:25    Madam Chair real quickly, Mr. Sle, the landscaped islands that are in the parking lot there are they gonna be irrigated?  
Speaker 11    00:52:35    We don't  
Speaker 12    00:52:36    Sh grasses,  
Speaker 11    00:52:37    We don't currently show irrigation, but being an HOA in property management, you know, there, there, there's water circulating throughout the site so they can be maintained since there'll be management on site.  
Speaker 12    00:52:53    All right. I think with the big ones, they, they should be irrigated. 'cause otherwise you're gonna end up with a patch of dead grass out there. I know there's an HOA, but the only way they're gonna be able to maintain it, I I'm not gonna see somebody constantly running a long hose out there to water it. Right.  
Speaker 11    00:53:13    Yeah, IIII understand.  
Speaker 12    00:53:15    All right, here's what, here's what we'll do you, you'll install PVC to so as if it's gonna be hooked up. So it's, so it's there on going for to install right there because, you know, once you, once you do the parking lot, you're not gonna be dig digging the parking lot up to, to run it. So you got Right. You follow what I'm saying? Yeah,  
Speaker 11    00:53:43    Yeah. Absolutely. I I, it's, it's probably a good idea to do it and you know, we don't, obviously they don't wanna plant all these trees just for them to die. So yeah,  
Speaker 12    00:53:52    I would just say just have them run the PVC for the piping for the, and those, they're out there. Right, right. Dawn, don't you think they should be, should be done that way? 'cause otherwise I could, I could see that all dying off and, and just mechanically having somebody run hoses from each building out there, you know, with the cars out there, it's, it would be very awkward to  
Speaker 6     00:54:16    Say and all, all too often, I mean it's our, our landscape architect is, he sits in our, in our office. So he is constantly getting complaints about older developments where you have the, the, the landscaping that's died and you know, they're looking for it to be replaced and it becomes a back and forth as to who responsible. So yes, why don't we just take care of that now.  
Speaker 11    00:54:36    Yeah. And we can work with Jonathan, Ms. Rahi, and, and figure out the, the total area that should be landscaped or irrigated.  
Speaker 12    00:54:45    Okay. Or like  
Speaker 1     00:54:46    A landscape sprinkler system is what you're envisioning.  
Speaker 12    00:54:49    Yeah, that's it. Yeah, that's Mr. Barlow, that's what we're looking at. Okay.  
Speaker 10    00:54:52    Yeah, we can, we can certainly agree to that. I, I have been communicating with the, with the applicant. We can agree to that obviously. We'll, we'll, we'll have to take some time to design it with your professionals to make sure that it's, you know, what's appropriate. But we can certainly agree to that. Yeah.  
Speaker 12    00:55:09    And the only other question is, I just wanna make sure Mr. Arch, Mr. Slay that the, there is conduit, PV conduit line out there for the fiber optic runs.  
Speaker 11    00:55:19    Yes. That'll be along the, the property frontage. Correct.  
Speaker 12    00:55:22    And where, where, where is it, where is that going out to? It's gonna go out to South Washington Avenue, correct?  
Speaker 11    00:55:28    It's along, yeah, it's along the South Washington Avenue frontage.  
Speaker 12    00:55:31    Okay.  
Speaker 6     00:55:32    And, and if I may, just with regard, there was a comment number six in the staff report that you also bring an easement along the property line up to the wetlands to run that, that fiber as well. I,  
Speaker 11    00:55:48    So I, yeah, I kind of had a question about that as to what, because these two developments are standalone that we're, you know, our intent was to run it along the property frontage and not connect it between the two sites because really there's no, no need to, and we'd, we'd be crossing the wetland so I wasn't  
Speaker 12    00:56:07    All right. So here, here's the story on that. We're in the process of trying to run fiber optic link with the ecological park across the street. So we're gonna have to have it go back to police headquarters, which means it's going through your property out the back way to get it says the clo crow flies. So that is, that is it. So we gotta figure out how that's gonna go out there and we'll worry about the DEP stuff later.  
Speaker 11    00:56:37    So if we can, the, the only way we can install it is with DPS permission and getting that permit. So as long as, if we can word it in a way that it's conditional on DP granting the approval Yeah, that's fine. So that doesn't cause us to come back.  
Speaker 12    00:56:52    Yeah, that's fine.  
Speaker 11    00:56:53    Okay.  
Speaker 12    00:56:55    They normally for DEP rollout for security purposes like that, to go back there to, to have that happen. So,  
Speaker 11    00:57:06    And then  
Speaker 12    00:57:06    You don't wanna see something large, but if since it's gonna be underground, you know, we'll we'll work Mr. Barlow, we'll work out that verbiage in the board approval.  
Speaker 1     00:57:19    May mayor, just so I'm clear, are you talking or dawn the, the northern edge of the property or the southern edge of the property?  
Speaker 6     00:57:28    So what it is actually it's going to be, it's going to be along, let me just get to the overall, hold on.  
Speaker 11    00:57:35    Could we use my exhibit that's here? I can  
Speaker 12    00:57:37    Probably, along the northern property, along the northern edge,  
Speaker 6     00:57:40    I spoke with our engineer today and he was saying along the northern portion up to where the wetland stops and then as, as long as well as the southern portion up to where the wetland is. So,  
Speaker 1     00:57:52    So the nor north just from and the south of site A,  
Speaker 6     00:57:57    I'm sorry Tom, I over  
Speaker 1     00:57:58    The north, the northern portion. The northern extreme border of site B.  
Speaker 6     00:58:03    Correct. Chris is showing  
Speaker 1     00:58:06    To the south, the south portion of site A. So mayor it wants to, it needs to come out like on on su dy.  
Speaker 12    00:58:16    Yeah. Out to su.  
Speaker 1     00:58:18    Okay.  
Speaker 12    00:58:19    Whichever way it gets it out to study.  
Speaker 11    00:58:22    So along the entire property. Yeah. Southern property line through the wetlands and everything to study out because on the south property,  
Speaker 12    00:58:30    Yeah, I mean it's okay if we come out to our park 'cause we have  
Speaker 6     00:58:34    The north or the south, it's just So you just wanna get it out to that, out to study.  
Speaker 12    00:58:39    That's correct.  
Speaker 6     00:58:40    So okay.  
Speaker 12    00:58:41    And we're talk, we're talk, we're speaking about two four inch PVC pipes. Yeah.  
Speaker 1     00:58:47    It looks like if you run it along the northern edge of site B  
Speaker 6     00:58:50    It's easy, easier  
Speaker 1     00:58:52    Run through the, the the storm water lot and then you can put it under the road.  
Speaker 11    00:58:59    That would be the, the best route because we we're stopping at someone's, someone else's house in the south direction. This this is the shorter route as well. Yep. And we are, we would be able to tie right into that.  
Speaker 12    00:59:08    Alright. We, we'll, we'll take, we'll take a look at that with the subject with the engineers. 'cause we can always go out through the park too with the PVC.  
Speaker 1     00:59:16    Okay. I can, I can work with that mayor  
Speaker 12    00:59:18    Because you know, you could tie in for the security cameras for the park to, for both parks. Mm.  
Speaker 10    00:59:26    Yeah. We're, we're happy to. I I guess so the idea is to, to get from South Washington to study. That's what we're That's  
Speaker 12    00:59:31    Correct.  
Speaker 10    00:59:32    Okay. That was what I was, I, and I apologize 'cause I was confused because I thought it was connecting site A to site B for  
Speaker 12    00:59:39    Well we got that, that issue too. But if we can get it out to study, 'cause either way you're gonna connect.  
Speaker 10    00:59:44    Right. Okay. So I think I understand it now. Yeah, we, we can and  
Speaker 12    00:59:47    We'll work, we'll work with the engineers on that.  
Speaker 10    00:59:49    We can certainly get some language and get, and we'll work with that where we will agree to that. Absolutely. Is  
Speaker 11    00:59:53    Would the easement be okay to be non-exclusive where additional utilities could run in that easement so that if we had to connect the utility between the two sites, we wouldn't have to disturb  
Speaker 12    01:00:07    More than just one. Yeah, let smart, I I wanna talk about, we'll have to talk about that with the developers. 'cause the only thing that's concerned 'cause the, the fiber, it's really security for security stuff. We would have, we'd have to take a hard look at that.  
Speaker 11    01:00:21    Okay.  
Speaker 1     01:00:22    Okay. Well we I'm sure we could work something out. Okay.  
Speaker 10    01:00:27    We're, we're happy to agree with whatever, whatever. Yeah. We end up that works. We're happy with that. Okay.  
Speaker 12    01:00:33    Yeah. There should be, there should be, there should be, you know, conduit for both developments. But then the fiber, you know, of con for the town to get out to, to study whichever way how it happens.  
Speaker 10    01:00:47    And we will agree to that. Absolutely. Yeah.  
Speaker 6     01:00:52    If I may, Madam chair, sure. I just have questions with regards to the proposed affordable housing units. Can you just confirm that the units will be located within each of the buildings? They're not gonna be central, they have to be dispersed throughout this development. Correct. You're, you're confirmed. Yes. Okay. Yeah, we'll agree to that. And then this may be more, I wasn't sure if your architect was coming on, but we do need confirmation that the, the project itself is gonna comply with the UAC requirements for age restricted developments. And that's something that, you know, if your architect could, could prepare a memo if, you know, as a part of resolution complying is we just have to make sure that we're, we are the municipality's getting credits for these units.  
Speaker 10    01:01:38    We're happy to do that. And, and Ben Horton is here. He will testify. Oh,  
Speaker 6     01:01:41    Perfect. Okay. And just one, one last question for Mr. Sole. Are there any proposed bike racks?  
Speaker 11    01:01:49    We don't have any proposed now. No.  
Speaker 12    01:01:52    Now you're gonna have to get some bike racks. I  
Speaker 6     01:01:54    Agree with you. I think we would just encourage people to walk or ride their bikes over to that clubhouse. You know, we don't wanna just see everybody moving their cars around on this lot. So I think that should be included as, you know, as part of this approval.  
Speaker 12    01:02:09    Well I, I can then counsel, I, I can envision them people using bikes to go to the traffic, like to go across the street to the ecological park, which is gonna have a, a very large, large Sure. Multi-use bike path out there acres.  
Speaker 10    01:02:26    We're happy to put bike, bike racks in and we'll work with your professionals to feed proper list.  
Speaker 9     01:02:32    Perfect, thank you. Any other questions? Yeah, hi Matt. The topics. Yes. Councilman Cahill here. I had a couple of questions. I think one of which probably pertains to, you know, both sites. But just first if you could zoom in on the multifamily dwelling the apartments closer to the Oh, site B. Yes. Site B, the, the tower again. And just, I apologize, just walk me through. So it's a 50 foot setback, I guess some is a little bit larger than others. What what other, what other, is there anything else around that, that tower there  
Speaker 11    01:03:23    Around the specific, in this specific location? No. Yeah, it's just the tower and it contains, you know, multiple lines. There are additional utility poles located. I don't have 'em shown on the plan, but located closer to the entrance that supports on  
Speaker 9     01:03:41    The lower Not existing though.  
Speaker 11    01:03:43    They're existing. Yes,  
Speaker 9     01:03:45    They are. Are those,  
Speaker 11    01:03:47    They're, they're just util they're not towers, they're, they're the  
Speaker 9     01:03:50    Wooden  
Speaker 11    01:03:51    Standard? Correct.  
Speaker 9     01:03:52    Okay. And so Mr. Sole, just asking, because you've done this before, have you drawn up plans for other developments of this nature where a big tower of that nature is kind of like right in the center.  
Speaker 11    01:04:12    I mean, exact, exactly. This layout, not exactly, but we're, we're following. So the utility company has all sorts of regulations as far as what's permitted within the easement, how close to the easement. So that, that, that was part of the design is that there's a minimum distance between corner of building with the 100 foot wide easement, which, which extends beyond where the actual wires are. And, and that we, we maintained those minimum buffers and, and did try to configure the buildings so that we didn't have buildings that were just flush flat, you know, right up against that easement. You know, we have buildings that are kind of catty cornered and angled towards the, the overhead lines to, to make it a little more visually appealing and Right. Not as impactful.  
Speaker 9     01:05:01    Understood. Well, I mean, that's a whole other issue. Somebody wants to move in with that big ugly tower there, so be it, you know, I think people in New Jersey, their hand is forced to, to get whatever anyone's willing to develop on, to be honest with you. But people wanna move there. That's their prerogative. Right. We're  
Speaker 11    01:05:20    Kind of doing what we can with what we, with what we  
Speaker 9     01:05:22    Have here. Right, right. My concern though, is, so a couple of things. So that land then is owned by, you said it was JCP and L?  
Speaker 11    01:05:30    Correct. And it's, there's a, it's owned by the, the owner, but there's an easement, an non-exclusive easement to JCP and L.  
Speaker 9     01:05:39    Okay. And so how do they access that if they needed to?  
Speaker 11    01:05:44    If they have to come and, and maintain it? I mean, they're granted permission to, to enter the site and, you know, currently there's no access roads or anything that give them access. Now there's actually a roadway that gives them, allows them to access the  
Speaker 9     01:06:00    Right, right. The lines. And will j CCP and l consider some sort of fencing to prevent people from wandering over there? Which I'd imagine even though this is senior housing, you may have families visiting things of that nature. It, it feels to me a little bit too negligent not to put some, some sort of fencing around there.  
Speaker 11    01:06:34    What, so the plans are currently being reviewed at JCP and l and they're just asking us to, you know, provide some statements and notes and things on the plans. It's not something that they've requested and I don't know that they would want, really? Or the  
Speaker 9     01:06:49    Easement. Oh, I don't, I honestly, Mr. Sle, I don't really don't care what JCP and l wants. I'm talking about our residents here in town and protecting them. 'cause somebody's gonna wander into that spot. So I'm gonna vote no unless fence goes up, to be honest. And I encourage everyone else to vote. No, unless we get a commitment tonight of some sort of protection being put there. Quite frankly,  
Speaker 10    01:07:16    If I can just ask Mr. Zale, Zale, the restrictions in the easement are restrictions on buildings and certain structures of a certain height. There is no restriction on walking through that area. It's not a, that's not a hazard or anything along those lines? I think, I think, I think we wanna clarify that the, it, it's a, it's a restriction on certain structures that can be put there because of certain height limitations near the tower. But the 50 foot buffer, I don't believe applies to somebody walking through the 50 foot buffer. That is, that is permissible. And I don't believe that poses any, any risk to any individual. It's, it's a, it's more of a height consideration. We can certainly put in plantings if the, if, if the board wants us to put in fencing around it to cut that area off, we certainly can. I just don't know if there's an actual hazard associated with it. The easement refer, the hazard that the easement is looking to protect against is tall structures that are gonna interfere with where the, where the tower. Yeah.  
Speaker 9     01:08:18    I mean, do, do any of our professionals know if there's a hazard? I mean, I don't know of anyone here who lives that close to a power line that size. Does anyone here on the board live that close to a power tower that size who could give me some insight into this?  
Speaker 1     01:08:40    I, I don't.  
Speaker 9     01:08:40    Oh, no. Right. No, because we wouldn't, and I, again, I don't, honestly, if you wanna get an expert on here about that, we're happy to  
Speaker 10    01:08:51    Put a fence. Ms. Kale, we're happy to put a fence in if you want. I just wanna make sure that the, that  
Speaker 9     01:08:56    The, I I, I just want some clarity here because no one's addressing this.  
Speaker 1     01:09:00    Well, I, I, I mean, my Councilman Cahn kale, first of all, I haven't seen the easement, so I don't even know if they'd be allowed to put a fence around.  
Speaker 9     01:09:10    Okay. But that's it. I mean, let's back up. Okay. Let's just use some common sense here.  
Speaker 1     01:09:18    Well, the tower,  
Speaker 9     01:09:19    Any of you live next to a tower of that size, would you, and if you did, would you expect there to be some protections there from somebody walking that close to it?  
Speaker 1     01:09:32    Counsel who,  
Speaker 8     01:09:33    Who's the, who's the, is it j, CCP and L or ps? E and G,  
Speaker 10    01:09:39    JCP and L.  
Speaker 8     01:09:41    All right. JCP and L may be a bit more a amicable to certain things. If it was P, s, E and G would just tell you they, they do what they want. And you may not want hear that, but that's true. I had about 15 years in telecom and dealt with both, basically easements are legal documents and there's certain things you can and cannot do. And when you impose, I mean, I would just, you know, based on my prior experience in there, I had a lot of experience dealing with these companies. Easements, you have to look at what the easements worded. You can make best efforts to put fences in. But if, if, if they can't or they won't, they won't.  
Speaker 9     01:10:21    Okay. This is not, this is less about the people coming before us and more about our own board. I I, I'd like to know what, you know, I mean, is this common? Well,  
Speaker 10    01:10:36    I, if I  
Speaker 9     01:10:37    Can make, so I mean, what's the experience? What is our expertise? I've seen those towers. They're very large. I mean, I'm certainly not the expert.  
Speaker 12    01:10:49    All right. I, if you want, I can add in, weigh in on this because we do have similar instances within our community with the same power line, the same easement we have on the north side of town. This, this line goes right through Piscataway. We have developments where there's no fencing out there, and people actually use the property underneath of the power, power line, right. Where the, where the stanchions are or the power lines you can go out by. What do they use it for? By Lucille Court, Dawn and Ray Court out there. As a matter of fact, the, the board, the zoning board just granted a variance for somebody to work that, that easement just within the last year out there.  
Speaker 13    01:11:35    It was just a couple months ago  
Speaker 12    01:11:36    Actually. Yeah, yeah. A couple months ago.  
Speaker 1     01:11:39    I mean, my comment with Councilman Cahn Cahill, and I understand your, your concerns are the, the, this tower has been there without fence around it for God knows how many years, whether or not somebody wants to live by the tower is a personal choice that the people rent.  
Speaker 9     01:11:57    Oh, Mr. Barlow. But there wasn't,  
Speaker 1     01:11:59    I could just finish. I mean Okay, fine. The, the redevelopment plan that was approved by this board knew of the tower's existence when it approved it, and the redevelopment plan doesn't talk about a fence or anything else. We could ask the applicant. And I think the applicants indicated that if, if allowed to, they would be amenable to putting a, a fence around it if the easement allows it. But beyond that  
Speaker 10    01:12:28    Mi, Mr. Barlow, if I can add to that, yeah. If we ha if we can put a fence around it outside of the easement area to, because it's a 50 foot easement around 50  
Speaker 1     01:12:38    Foot and six inches.  
Speaker 10    01:12:39    Yeah. So if we can put a fence, if we're able to do that, we will certainly do that. If that's what the township professionals want us to do, if we can put it within the easement area. If JCP and L allows us to do that, we will do that as well. Okay. We will refer to the township and the township's professionals and the township's desire as to whether they want that action, that section cordoned off or whether they want it open to allow people to be able to, to go under it. The only other thing I can add is that I have done one other application that involves a JCP and L tower of this type. And it was located, it was an industrial area, so it wasn't in a residence, but it was JCP and L actually wrote a letter on that that indicated they had no objection to us placing a parking lot, an active parking lot, right up to where the, where those stanchions were, as long as it wasn't a building. And as long as we maintained our lighting poles in that area under a certain height, they did not have an issue. I can't say we'll have the same, you know, the same outlook on this, but we're happy to do whatever the board or whatever the township. Well,  
Speaker 9     01:13:44    I, I mean, I, again, I'm not the expert here and, and Mr. Barlow, I understand we approve this, this is the first time I'm seeing these plans.  
Speaker 12    01:13:55    Yeah. I'll just say first time,  
Speaker 9     01:13:57    I mean, I'm honest this first time I'm, see for all I know, the apartments could have been, you know, backing up to it not Right. Sort of, you know, in a essential area. So I understand we approved it, but just looking at the plan for the very first time and the accessibility and PS by the way, yes, it's been there all that time. There's no road around it, Mr. Barlow, I mean, I'm sure people might have wandered back there, but this is an invitation, you know, this is centrally located and I can appreciate everything that you're all saying. I mean, quite frankly, it still is a thing in my mind.  
Speaker 9     01:14:46    Okay. That said, I understand that you'll have to go through your thing. I will just continue to make it noted that that is not something that I would think would be smart to just let go without even some sort of something to protect people from wandering. That said, I had some other questions that we can get onto regarding the left turn only with something that you might be looking to go to the county for off South Washington, will that require some of the right of way along the South Washington side to be, to be taken? Do we know  
Speaker 11    01:15:30    Potentially a, a right of way easement is going to be provided. I I think the township is requiring one and the county may require one as well  
Speaker 9     01:15:38    For, for the left, correct. Right. Okay. That would mean land, land on the frontage might, yeah,  
Speaker 11    01:15:46    Well the easements for the township is required regardless of the left turn. Yeah. But for the county it may be additional.  
Speaker 9     01:15:52    Okay.  
Speaker 12    01:15:52    Yeah. We, dawn, correct me if I'm wrong, in our master plan, we have 155 foot right of way out there.  
Speaker 9     01:15:59    Then  
Speaker 6     01:15:59    They're, they're, they are providing, and it's shown on a plan eight, I believe, a 14 foot easement along.  
Speaker 11    01:16:03    Yeah. That's why I recall as well. 14 feet.  
Speaker 9     01:16:05    14 feet. Okay. And then has any, have we thought about installing any kind of electrical charging stations for those apartments at all?  
Speaker 11    01:16:21    We have 44 proposed. Oh, I, so I think, I think we're actually required 45. So we're, we'll be adding one more than what  
Speaker 9     01:16:27    We have shown. Okay. I'm sorry, I didn't hear you. I  
Speaker 8     01:16:29    May have missed that the engineer answered my question. Thank you. Yeah, they're required 45 if we agree to that. I have no other comments.  
Speaker 11    01:16:35    Yes,  
Speaker 9     01:16:36    Agreed. Okay. I didn't see that. And, and then I'm not even gonna bother talking about the, the covered parking. It's just as a side note, it, it's always curious to me that there's no kind of garages. We had another 55 and older come before me for senior housing, and just the fact that it is senior housing and it's all exposed parking is always of curious nature to me, why there's no sort of covered parking or parking underneath the buildings. But I get why people don't do that. Not required. And one other question with regard back to site a I think it is, right? The single family homes. Yes. So with without basements, and I understand those, those basins are good enough, but I mean, is there any concern at all for, you know, the weather events that we have here in town, where that water will go if it's so much without basements? I'm just, and again, not an expert in that field, and maybe Mr. Sole, you can't answer that. But in terms of the, the big rain events and potential for flooding, that means first floor flooding.  
Speaker 11    01:18:02    Well, we're not within a flood hazard area where this site would flood, so that's not a concern at this site. And the fact that we don't have basements is actually kind of a safer condition because So  
Speaker 9     01:18:13    They, the water flood first? Yeah. Okay.  
Speaker 11    01:18:16    Right. So yeah, the water table's not coming up through the bottom for the, through the first floor. And Okay. We have the storm water designed adequately to, to convey all storm water thinking you even future storm events.  
Speaker 9     01:18:27    Thank you. That answered that question. Thank you.  
Speaker 14    01:18:35    I have a question, if you don't mind.  
Speaker 9     01:18:37    Yes, go ahead.  
Speaker 14    01:18:39    We spoke about Mr. Atkins, we spoke about the ecological park across the street. Is there another way for the seniors to go across the street without having to go all the way down to the light? Is there gonna be a planned light somewhere in there where the, where the entrance is, or a way that they can maybe cut through the, the two dumpster sites along Washington, south Washington?  
Speaker 11    01:19:06    There's not a Signalize intersection proposed with this application, but I understand it's being looked into when that ecological park is designed. That there,  
Speaker 12    01:19:16    Mr. Solei? Yes. I can add into that. The county, there's gonna be a temporary traffic light up there by the adjacent north of this site. And ultimately a new single lines intersection is gonna be built for the ecological park, which I'll have obviously crosswalks and all the necessary federal standards. So it won't be directly across or gonna have to go north to where the two commercial properties, the one commercial property is next door to access. Or they can go south at Met at Mettler's Lane. So there'll be two, both one north and one south.  
Speaker 14    01:20:04    Okay. I was just concerned that they would, they'd have to walk kind of far with their bikes or if they're walking Yeah,  
Speaker 2     01:20:13    A signal, that signal would break up that speed that it gets built up there along that strip too. If we had to signalize, it would break up the tendency to speed during that, at that strip.  
Speaker 9     01:20:25    Yeah. Madam Chair, I'm gonna agree with you. Way back before when we thought the, the, the other site that is warehouses, we thought that was gonna be a mixed use. I know we talked about a signal there so that people could walk from that area over to the park and making it one of those kind of crosswalks that would be, you know, maybe a brighter colored walkways, you know, the things that would slow people down. And I understand this application is not doing that, but I wanted to cut in again on something else. But I don't know, Mr. Sole, if you are talking or testifying at all about the actual design of the, you know, I have the, the drawing of the apartment. The  
Speaker 10    01:21:13    Architect will discuss the buildings themselves.  
Speaker 9     01:21:14    Thank you. Thank you. Sure.  
Speaker 2     01:21:19    Any other questions of this witness before we open it up to the public? Okay. Hearing no questions right now, members of the public, I we're open up to you to have any, if you have any questions of Mr. Zalay, he gave testimonies on both sites. The site for the single family homes, as well as the site where the apartments will be located. If you have any questions, please indicate by shaking or raising your hand or there's a number that you can call if you are calling on by phone. Yeah,  
Speaker 3     01:21:55    If you're on the phone, you'd hit star six. If not, you could raise your hand. No, Madam Chair.  
Speaker 2     01:22:02    Thank you. Close to the public. I guess you can call your next witness then.  
Speaker 10    01:22:07    Thank you. Our next witness would be John W. Ray. He's our traffic engineer.  
Speaker 2     01:22:12    Okay.  
Speaker 10    01:22:13    Chris, I don't know if you, if you don't mind, just stop sharing your screen right now unless I  
Speaker 15    01:22:18    Yeah, Chris, Chris, you could leave those that exhibit up that shows the two sites  
Speaker 4     01:22:23    I need to swear him in. And can you please raise your right hand? Do you swear that the testimony you give will be the truth and nothing but the truth?  
Speaker 15    01:22:31    I do.  
Speaker 4     01:22:32    Thank you.  
Speaker 10    01:22:34    Thank you. So John, if you can please just go over your credentials briefly so the board.  
Speaker 15    01:22:41    Sure. I'm a licensed professional engineer in the state of New Jersey. My field of specialty is traffic engineering. I have a total of 50 years experience in the traffic engineering field, the list 40 of which have been doing consulting work here in the state of New Jersey. And I have appeared before this board and many other boards throughout the state as an expert witness over the last four years. Thank you. He's exactly. Thank you,  
Speaker 10    01:23:07    John. You've had an abil, you've had the opportunity to look at the site and to opine on it, if you can please just give sure benefit of your years of experience.  
Speaker 15    01:23:16    I've been out to the site on numerous occasions to look at the existing roadway and traffic conditions in the area. We've done a full traffic impact analysis dated June 2nd, 2025, dealing with Site A first. We will have access to study avenue via an extension of Carol Lane. We have analyzed the intersection of Study Avenue and Carol Lane for the 2028 design year for the project and have determined that that intersection will operate at level of service A, which is an excellent level of service with minimal delay for the 2028 design year for both the AM and PM peak street hours. That includes traffic that's generated by the Randolphville Elementary School at the end of Study Avenue. We did do the traffic counts when school was in session with respect to the internal circulation. Just to go over what Mr. Zale has testified to, we have what is commonly known as a P loop, P as in Peter that will serve as access to the 39 single family homes.  
Speaker 15    01:24:25    The internal street is dimension with a cart way of 30 feet, which permits parking on the street according to the RSIS. And so I find that the, the intersection of Carol Lane and Study Avenue will operate at acceptable levels of service. The site has been designed in conformance with the RSIS and it is my expectation that traffic will enter and exit the site safely and efficiently based on those conclusions with respect to Site B. That is the larger of the two sites. Of course, 190 senior apartments are proposed with a divided boulevard, south Washington Avenue. South Washington Avenue is under the jurisdiction of Middlesex County. So we will have to get a county approval for our access. There have has been a, a discussion earlier today about whether left turns would be permitted into the site. We will be applying for a left turn into the site and that will be taken up with the county when the county gets a chance to review that information.  
Speaker 15    01:25:30    With respect to any other potential turning restrictions such as a left turn out, I can tell you that our traffic study concludes that the left turn movements out of the driveway, even based on the traffic volumes along South Washington Avenue, the left turn movements out of the side driveway will operate at level of service d during the morning, peak hour and e during the afternoon peak hour. And although they are acceptable levels of service, we are anticipating that there'll probably be a discussion with the county with respect to restricting left turns out of the site driveway. And the thing I can tell the board is that if and when that should happen and the county should make that prohibition a requirement, there is a reasonable alternative to make the left turn to get back to the north on South Washington Avenue. A motorist can make the right turn, go down to the signal at Met Lars Lane.  
Speaker 15    01:26:26    And there's a local street network there that would permit, I guess what we would call a far side jug handle using Lakeside Drive North and Lakeway that motorist can reverse direction, come back to the traffic signal at Mettler's Lane and make a left turn at the traffic signal to go north on, on South Washington. So I think that's a question that still is going to be determined by the county, but we do have a reasonable alternative should the county decide to restrict the left turn movement out. As far as the parking and the internal circulation, not to go over everything Chris has testified to. We do provide adequate parking in accordance with the redevelopment plan. 299 parking spaces are required, including the clubhouse parking. We are providing three 14 with the EV credits. So we meet and exceed the parking requirement as per the redevelopment plan.  
Speaker 15    01:27:27    The parking, as you can see from the site plan, is internal to the four buildings for the most part well distributed so that each building has access to that good central parking area. And I guess the only other thing to comment on with respect to South Washington Avenue has a very level and straight alignment in the area. And as long as we provide the site triangles that the county will require, the site distance along South Washington Avenue will be excellent. So again, I find the plans have been designed in accordance with proper traffic engineering principles. We have adequate parking, adequate site distance, and I I find the site will operate safely and efficiently just as site A will. That, that's basically a quick summary of the traffic study.  
Speaker 10    01:28:18    Thank you, Mr. Ray. Mr. Ray is available for questions of the board,  
Speaker 2     01:28:23    Members of the board. Do you have any questions for Mr. Ray? Okay, then I guess we thank you. Okay. I was gonna open it up to the public. Mr. Arch members of the public, you've heard the testimony of of the traffic engineers. Anyone wishing to ask any questions at this time may indicate by waving your hand or calling dial dialing nine if you have to call by phone  
Speaker 3     01:28:52    Star six  
Speaker 2     01:28:53    Star six. I'm sorry, you're close.  
Speaker 3     01:28:55    It's upside down. Yeah, so you can either raise your hand, it's on the bottom of your screen, or star six Noah Madam  
Speaker 4     01:29:04    Chair. Thank you. Close to the public.  
Speaker 10    01:29:07    All right. Our, our third and final witness tonight is Ben Horton. He is our architect. I will note that we were requested by the township to provide examples, sort of representative examples of the single family home. So we will be presenting those. I don't want you to think that it's only these examples where we want there to be flexibility for the people that are gonna be eventually living there. So this is, again, these are representative to show what can be done there, but we're not necessarily set in stone that that's exactly what they're gonna look like. We just wanna give a a, a range. Okay. Okay. And Mr. Horton could be sworn in  
Speaker 1     01:29:51    Ms. Arch, I don't mean to interrupt you or your presentation, but just I believe Ms. Dolan, the municipalities traffic expert is on. And I just, before you moved on to the next expert, I just wanted Ms. Dolan had any questions or concerns with regards to Mr. Ray's testimony. I know she reviewed it and, and issued a report and if she had any concerns from the township's perspective.  
Speaker 16    01:30:18    Thank you. I have no issues. I'm comfortable with the analysis and I am very comfortable with the testimony provided by Mr. Ray.  
Speaker 1     01:30:28    Thank you. That's what I thought you might say, but I just wanted to make sure you had a chance to say on the record. Okay.  
Speaker 10    01:30:36    Thank you Mr. Bar. I always appreciate being interrupted for something as positive as that.  
Speaker 4     01:30:40    No problem.  
Speaker 1     01:30:41    You, you may continue Mr. Arch.  
Speaker 10    01:30:44    All right. I think we are swearing in Mr. Horton  
Speaker 4     01:30:46    Horton. Yes. Mr. Horton, can you please raise your right hand? I'm not seeing him  
Speaker 17    01:30:52    Right here.  
Speaker 4     01:30:53    Oh, okay. Was there a is do you swear that the testimony you about to give will be the truth and nothing but the truth?  
Speaker 17    01:31:00    I do.  
Speaker 4     01:31:01    Thank you.  
Speaker 10    01:31:03    All right, Ben, if you can please just give the board your, some of your qualifications so that you can be accepted.  
Speaker 17    01:31:09    Absolutely. My name is Benjamin Horton, H-O-R-T-E-N. I'm with Ben Horton Architecture and Design, located at three 12 State Route 10 Randolph, New Jersey. I'm the principal of the firm. I started the company in 2000. My background is I received my Bachelor of fine Arts degree at Carnegie Mellon University. And then I received my master of architect, master of architecture at Yale University. After graduation, I worked for two major firms, international firms, Canon Design and Gensler Gensler is one of the largest firms in the world. I worked with those companies for several years and after gaining some experience, I started my company in 2000. So I've been in business for about 25 years. I peer, I peer before Piscataway on a few occasions. I testified in many municipalities. I'm licensed in New Jersey, Pennsylvania, New York, and numerous other states. That's my credentials.  
Speaker 1     01:32:09    Thank you, sir. You're acceptable.  
Speaker 17    01:32:11    Thank you.  
Speaker 10    01:32:12    All right, Mr. Horton, if you can please show us what, what everything's gonna look like.  
Speaker 17    01:32:17    Okay. Let me share my screen. Can anyone see this?  
Speaker 10    01:32:25    Yes.  
Speaker 17    01:32:26    Okay, great. I think I'm gonna start first with the, the residential, the single family homes first, because that's in sequence with the, the application. So let me go there first. Sorry,  
Speaker 1     01:32:43    Mr. Arch. Are these exhibits that were prepared for the hearing this evening or were these submitted as part of the package already?  
Speaker 10    01:32:51    I believe these were already submitted. I think we had submitted colorized ones. But I'll, I'll defer to, to Mr. Horton if there's anything that wasn't that you created specifically for this hearing  
Speaker 17    01:33:03    For these single family homes. They were submitted later. The rendering for the single family home here, there's a set of renderings that, that is colorized that has not been submitted. So I would say that's an exhibit.  
Speaker 1     01:33:17    So one an abundance of course. Caution Mr. Arch, we'll, just everything Mr. Horton puts up, I'll just have marked as an exhibit so we can keep track of it. So, alright,  
Speaker 17    01:33:28    Very good. I do apologize where, where the tools are shown, I do have to s reduce the size of this PDF before I could get to the taps. The first set of drawings I want to go through is the architectural plans and elevations. And then I would go with the rendering for the single family homes. I think Mr. Soles, the civil engineer, described the limitation of the sites. As you know, there are sites that are 5,000 square foot, which is the smallest lot. And some of those larger lots, I, I believe he said that goes up to 10,000 square foot. We wanted to give you an example on a small lot a a a example of a floor plan. And we did a couple floor plans for each types. This would be a typical 5,000 square foot lot where you're limited to 20% of building coverage.  
Speaker 17    01:34:26    So if you're a 5,000 square foot, that means your first floor footprint can't be bigger than a thousand square feet. So within that envelope, we wanted to give you an idea what the house could look like. So for example, in this option you have this entrance here entrance into an open living room, kitchen, dining area. And we thought that some owners may want to have a bedroom on the first floor in case they don't want to go up the up and down the stairs. And in this unit it also has a one car garage. The stairs is a uShip stairs, which has a mid landing, which I feel is a more comfortable type of stairs. So you take the stairs upstairs and you can see upstairs we have two additional bedrooms, a large en suite and a separate sort of lounge area. And, and honestly the homeowners have a lot of choices on how they want to rearrange the plan.  
Speaker 17    01:35:24    So we just wanna give you an idea. This is an example of one floor plan within that, this is an example of the elevation and I think the elevation, I'm gonna say that for the rendering 'cause it tells the picture a little bit better. Another example of the floor plan is simply, obviously some of the lots are mirrored. So we could accommodate that and, and you can imagine in some plans you may want to have an open floor plan on the ground floor and no bedrooms on the first floor and all the bedrooms on the second floor. So we did another layout to show you similar type of floor plan where you have a large open living room, dining room, living room area at same one car garage and all your bedrooms are upstairs. Now I, this is very similar to the type of house my mother-in-law lives in. So she, she's able to manage the stairs, but they do enjoy having the larger open living area.  
Speaker 17    01:36:24    Another type of floor plan we did was slightly larger floor plan. This is type C. So when you have a lot that's larger than 5,000 square foot, you could obviously have a larger footprint. In this case, we showed an example of footprint that is about 1300 square foot footprint. And so you could accommodate that in some of the larger lots. You could get even bigger. But we, we didn't wanna sh you know, obviously there's so many choices that you can have. But again, in this option we showed that you could get a two car garage in those bigger lots very comfortably, having an open living room, dining room, kitchen area, and a bedroom on the first floor. And in this case we made a smaller second floor with two bedrooms upstairs. But again, you could probably make that larger if you wanted to, if you were a homeowner. So with that same floor footprint, we did another option where you do a bedroom on the fir. I'm sorry, this one is just mirror.  
Speaker 17    01:37:27    But you could imagine, you know, imagine, you know, on the ground floor, if you do, if you have the master bedroom, if somebody didn't want to have a master bedroom, that could easily become an office. There's so many choices that you have. Now I'm gonna go to the, the rendering here. So that is a five. That's great. So on this rendering for a typical house we wanted to show you, this is one of the smaller homes. That's two story. This is very typical siding with some stone details, nice windows. Here's another option, same floor plan, but just different type of material. So there's quite a bit of things that you can do with the house just by changing the, the aesthetic. Now this, not everybody might not like this next modern style house I'm gonna show, but I just wanted to show you with the same footprint.  
Speaker 17    01:38:23    There's such a dramatic change that you can make to the design of the house just by changing the architecture. Again, this is the same floor plan, let me show you, go back to the beginning, 1, 2, 3. And you can see that there's quite a bit of choices that you can make. Now this is, it's the same plan with the slightly different floor plan where you don't, you have a different entrance door. Again, you know, you could change the look quite dramatically by just changing the siding and different colors on the window. And this, this is the larger house that has the two car garage. Again, in this case, you know, you see the difference. It's a wider house, two larger garage. And then same thing, if you just change the siding material, you could dramatically alter the look of the house. So that's a example of what you can do with those lots.  
Speaker 17    01:39:22    Those houses, I think you could easily have a footprint that's a thousand square foot for the smaller lot. And then if you add a second floor on top of that, you could easily make it 2000 square foot or you know, within that range, if you get, may have a footprint that's a little bit larger, like for example the 13,000 square foot footprint. You can have a house that's, you know, a double that 2,600 square foot relatively easily. But it's really it, it gives the homeowner a lot of choices. And I think, you know, when I think of senior housing, I think most people are gonna want to try to keep the house small, but then they're gonna want to have a couple extra rooms so that they could have a study or they could have grandkids come visiting. So they, this does give you a lot of options.  
Speaker 17    01:40:06    So that's the single family home. Now I'm gonna go to the multifamily home, the apartment buildings. Now this one here, these floor plans were set of floor plans and elevation were submitted to you. And as you saw there were five buildings, four apartment buildings and one clubhouse. They were labeled on the site plan building A, B, C, and D and then E for the clubhouse. This is building a, you could see on the drawings on the lower right corner relabeled it as building A. And we provided typical ground floor plan and a typical upper floor plan for each of the building. And when you look at the chart, for example, in this building here, top right corner of the drawings, you see a chart that says the number of one bedrooms and number of two bedrooms. We try to put in more two bedroom units because from a marketing perspective we find that the two bedroom units are more desirable 'cause it gives people more flexibility.  
Speaker 17    01:41:16    The other thing to note is that these units, these apartment units are, we, we try to make it more desirable by making it making, making the sizes of the unit, you know, very competitive in the market. Typical one bedroom units, let me take you to a floor that has a one bedroom here. The blue unit is one bedroom. You can see this is shown at 95, 9300 square foot net. Whereas the, the two bedroom units are approximately 13,000 1300 square feet. So all the one bedrooms in this complex are typically in that 900 square foot range. And that's net square foot, not gross. A lot of times when you chopper apartments, people are gonna show gross numbers just to make it seem bigger. But the net numbers are the numbers not including the exterior walls. And they are all around 900 square foot plus or minus a few square foot higher, fewer few square foot lower.  
Speaker 17    01:42:16    But it's in that range. You know, as a comparison, what's nice is that when you look at one bedroom apartment, say in Manhattan you may have a 600 square foot one bedroom apartment. Here we have 900 square foot, two bedroom apartments are around 1300 square foot, which is, you know, very generous. The room sizes are big, living areas are very generous. Each of the building, I would, I would like you to note that, you know, they have elevators are gonna be fully accessible, handicap accessible. They're gonna have their own little lounge areas and activity rooms as well as, you know, the shared clubhouse that the everyone's gonna have access to. And one of the things that the township, you, you request that we include is that each building have a, a roof garden so that they have some nice roof areas to relax and on their roof.  
Speaker 17    01:43:11    Now again, the elevations of the building, I'm going to defer to the rendering because I think that tells a better story. But I think one of the things I would note with the floor plan, it can see we took care to kind of jog the walls along the perimeter so they're not always flat. 'cause I think you've seen a lot of buildings that are just simple, flat and not attractive. We try to add these bumps to make the building look a little more attractive as they, as you build them three dimensionally. Again, this is building B, same thing. You got the ground floor with shared lobby elevators and amenity spaces. You got a series of one bedrooms and two bedroom units.  
Speaker 17    01:43:54    And then there's a, a roof terrace here at the top floor. This building here is four story on the left side and three story on the right side. Again, that was the civil engineer and my office and the township professionals. We spent some time talking about what portions of the building should be three stories and what portions of the building should be four story that, and this is the result of building B, building C, same, it's very similar as the other buildings. Ground floor, you have the nice lobby area, amenity spaces, elevators, typical upper floors. You have the, the combination of one bedroom and two bedroom units. You can see it varies. And this one is a four story building. This is four story all the way across, whereas some of the buildings is three story, four portion of the building. This is four story all the way across. And we will have a a roof patio on this building as well.  
Speaker 17    01:45:06    This is the, the last building, building D, which is the L-shaped one located next to the clubhouse. This one again a ground floor with the lobby and all those many spaces. And then you have, you can see the combination of one bedroom and the two bedrooms. And this is also a four story building. Now the clubhouse is gonna have a large community room, maybe a library, some administrative offices, locker rooms, shower areas for the pool and a a small kitchen to service the various activities that might happen in the multipurpose room. And this, this building is obviously located right next to the, the pool, the pool and outdoor amenity space. And this one, I, I think, think again, if you let me get to the rendering again, this rendering was submitted. All the apartment buildings have a similar aesthetic where we mix the, the materials so it doesn't look all flat.  
Speaker 17    01:46:21    The walls are gonna jog in and out and you're gonna have combination of, if I could zoom in, you could see stone materials, stucco type of materials, as well as some sort of like a low maintenance siding type of materials. So we could vary those details as well as adding these, you know, decorative parapets here that has some nice shapes to it. In some cases we're able to put a little pergo up, up on top. So if it's a three story building, we could have a small covered area on the four story buildings. Unfortunately we can't do that because of the height restriction, but in most of the buildings we were able to do a nice covered roof patio as well. You can see this is a building B, where you have a four story building and a three story building. And the roof terrace is located over the three story building. So we could have a little bit of cover porch covered roof terrace area as well. Again, you can see the materials are very similar so that they're cohesive from one building to the next.  
Speaker 17    01:47:28    And then this is the building C again, building C is a four story building. So you will have a roof terrace, but unfortunately we won't be able to put a, a covered roof because that would exceed the, the roof height building. D, same thing, it's a four story building. It does not have a, a covered roof patio, but it will have a roof patio. And there again, the buildings are very similar in nature, using the, the similar type of materials and making sure the walls all jogging and out to give it more varied shape. And then the community center takes cues from the apartment buildings and uses those same warm color materials and it would be made so that the, you know, the, the building have some volume to it. So those community rooms will have taller ceilings. You can see the, this, this is a one story building, but the middle section of the roof is 20 feet high where the main community room is. So that we could have a community room that has a nice tall ceiling, at least 10 or 10 feet or higher, possibly even 12 feet high. Okay. So that's it. That's really the, the five buildings that we provided on this property. So if there's any questions,  
Speaker 10    01:48:58    Ben, if I can just ask one thing before we go to questions. Just to Dawn's earlier point and earlier question as to being able to provide a, some sort of certification that we are meeting those standards that she asked for, we have no problem doing that, correct?  
Speaker 17    01:49:12    No, absolutely. All, all the apartment buildings you can see is a combination of one and two bedroom and there's a percentage rule you have to follow. It it, off the top of my head, it's, I believe currently it's 20%. It does change e every so often, but currently my my understanding is 20%. And if you look at the floor plan, there's no distinction between the units. All the units are really generously sized and I think it doesn't matter, my opinion is they should be treated the same way. And so the subsidized units that are lower income, you can't distinguish it from the other units there. They'll be dispersed throughout the buildings and you, you won't know the difference.  
Speaker 10    01:49:54    Thank you. Mr. Horton is available for any questions of the board.  
Speaker 2     01:50:02    Okay. Members of the board, do you have any questions for Mr. Horton?  
Speaker 9     01:50:06    Madam Chair, this is Councilwoman Cahill. Thank you so much. I have just a couple of questions with regard to the single family homes. So am I to understand that the owners sort of will get an option of design in there that they're all not gonna be sort of cookie cutter?  
Speaker 17    01:50:29    Yeah, that's correct. And, and I think what we tried to show, because I think before we had the hearing date, some of the board members asked, you know, can you prepare a floor plan to show what the houses might look like? Because I, I think the, when you have a 5,000 square foot lot, the maximum footprint you can do by your ordinance is 1000 square foot. And within that 1000 square foot, I, I think people, you know, you have to provide a garage based on your ordinance. So you have to have least one car garage. And then within that, the remaining space, what can you do with it? So I try to show those floor plan options to, to show that. Yeah. But you know,  
Speaker 9     01:51:09    That's great. Just wanted to make sure that that was the case. I I think that's great. My other question was pertain to the apartment building with the, and I know these are just, you know, sort of first renderings with the materials. It's hard to, and I mean maybe they're listed here, the material, it's gonna be like stone. Is there a particular sort of stone that it's supposed to replicate? I see the one stone. What about just those, the section next to it where the Yeah, right now where your hand is? Yeah. What is that  
Speaker 17    01:51:50    We're thinking that would be more like fire fiber, cement type of siding material that, that almost looks like wood but it's low maintenance.  
Speaker 9     01:52:00    Oh, right, right, right. So it's supposed to look like wood. So this would be a stone wood. And then is that lighter material meant to be a like,  
Speaker 17    01:52:09    Like stucco?  
Speaker 9     01:52:11    A stucco or is that also a wood?  
Speaker 17    01:52:17    This also could be that fiber cement type of board, or it could be the, the stucco type of material.  
Speaker 9     01:52:23    Right. But just a lighter in contrast, right?  
Speaker 17    01:52:25    That's correct.  
Speaker 9     01:52:26    Right. Are and just another quick, I see it's a, you know, not that I totally don't like the, the brown tones, the more earthy ones. Are these colors set in stone or are you still finalizing these plans?  
Speaker 17    01:52:43    Well, these materials, I think that this is the coloring. We, during the design stage when we were working back with your, I think technical committee, we, we looked at quite a variety of color options. We, we, because I think one of the questions was, you know, one of the comment was one, they didn't want to see a building that was just completely flat. Oh right. And that was completely like monotone. And so we looked at options where we varied the, varied the materials, you know, to different colors. So we did some different color options where we tried different colors, actual colors. And ultimately the, the neutral tones I think was more palatable for, for the, the reviewers personally. Oh yeah. Personally I think we are gonna vary the materials. We got three different materials with some trim colors, so that, that does provide quite a bit of variety.  
Speaker 9     01:53:43    Okay. And then just another quick question. So I'm not, I don't know which rendering of yours has it, but there's one with a large set of, so actually on the top picture there that you have those three sort of main entrances that goes into that common area that you were talking about the Yes. Okay. That that's what the main lobby, right? The main lobby. And then I have another rendering that kind of looks like there's a handy sort of a handicap ramp on the side, but then steps coming up to a main thing.  
Speaker 17    01:54:26    This building?  
Speaker 9     01:54:28    Yes, I, is there any particular reason why that looks that way? And another building looks sort of like as a flat entrance coming in?  
Speaker 17    01:54:38    I, I think because the grading, the way the grading worked on the site plan.  
Speaker 9     01:54:42    Oh, okay.  
Speaker 17    01:54:43    Entrance here for this building was a little bit higher from the sidewalk. This, this render, we try to represent that there's gonna be a, a elevation difference at the entrance door and the sidewalk over here, this is a, I think my staff took a little bit of artistic liberty here, but they meant to show that the actual lobby elevation is slightly higher than the sidewalk  
Speaker 9     01:55:08    Then sidewalk. So there the, so if need be, they'll be sort of that gradual for like wheelchair accessibility.  
Speaker 17    01:55:16    That's right. Okay. They're, they're, they're made to be fully a hundred percent accessible.  
Speaker 9     01:55:19    Okay. Thank you that those were all my questions. I appreciate it.  
Speaker 2     01:55:24    Okay. Any other members of the board have questions of Mr. Horton? No questions. Okay. And let's open it up to the public members of the public. You've heard Mr. Horton's testimony. Anyone wishing to ask questions of Mr. Horton? You can either raise your hand or push star six if you have a telephone, a question by telephone.  
Speaker 3     01:55:50    Anyone from public? Everyone's unmuted, so no one chairwoman.  
Speaker 2     01:55:55    Alright. Close to the public.  
Speaker 10    01:55:59    Thank you. So that is our last witness. Just briefly, I will, I will sort of sum up this is, again, this is a redevelopment project. We are 100% fully conforming with your redevelopment plan. We are not requesting any deviations. We are agreeing to all of the, the comments and suggestions from your professionals. And we'll continue to work with your professionals to make sure that this is dialed in and, and you know, perfectly what the township wants. We will agree to, to all the conditions that were, were mentioned here tonight. And I'm sure each of our professionals will give you their firstborn child if they, if they, if they want to. I  
Speaker 2     01:56:41    Think  
Speaker 10    01:56:42    Chris just had a kid, so maybe not him, but I'm an empty  
Speaker 2     01:56:45    Nester. I don't want any more kids.  
Speaker 10    01:56:49    So I guess I'm saying is we, we are happy to work with the town and to quite frankly make sure that this is something that everybody is proud of and we'll continue to work with you. So thank you for, for giving us the time tonight and we look forward to hopefully getting your approval.  
Speaker 9     01:57:07    Madam Chair, before you go to take it for a vote, Mr. Arch, I was just curious, I mean, I know that it's a ways away before these are built, but is there any indication as to price ranges that this developer is looking at? The kind of, you know, customer, you know, affordability. I, I mean not coa, but you know, just an idea. We don't have any privy to that yet.  
Speaker 10    01:57:35    I personally have not, have not had that conversation with the, with my client. I can certainly ask him. We we're on a text chain. I can ask him if he knows that yet. I it might, I I kind of guess that it's a little early to be, to be guessing what those prices are going to be. You did mention there is gonna be an affordable aspect. So we are obviously have to follow the, the, the affordable housing aspects with that, but I don't know if we have a price range necessarily set yet.  
Speaker 9     01:58:04    I appreciate that. Thank you.  
Speaker 10    01:58:05    And yeah, we, and I just got confirmation. We, we don't have a, a range of prices that we think we're gonna market them at.  
Speaker 2     01:58:11    Thank you. Do we have a, do we have a date? Approximate date when they'll be ready? The houses as well as the apartments.  
Speaker 10    01:58:19    If you ask my client he, he'll, he wants some built yesterday. I I can tell you that we are, if we get your approval here tonight, we are gonna be moving as quickly as we can to get through all of the other approval hurdles that we need to, to be able to get building permits. I know that they are anxious to, to get this, to get this started, so I can't give you an, an approximate time yet. But I can tell you that we, we we're not gonna be sitting on this one.  
Speaker 6     01:58:45    If, if I could have one question, which you have site A and site B, which pro which section is going to go under construction first?  
Speaker 10    01:58:55    That's a good question. Do we have a, Chris do you know if if there is, if it's gonna be concurrent or if there is any, they're really almost treated as two, as two separate because of that separation between them. So I don't see why they couldn't be concurrently pursued, but I'll, I'll leave it to Chris to see if there's any  
Speaker 11    01:59:13    Yeah, I believe they're, they're gonna be one and then the other, I think just due to financial purposes at one point I believe that the single family was intended to be first and I just, we haven't talked about it in a while, so I don't know if that's still the case.  
Speaker 10    01:59:29    I can add that my, my client did indicate by text that the intention is they, they do want to try to do both at the concurrently. So that's what the intent is gonna be. Hopefully we'll be able to, to make that a reality.  
Speaker 9     01:59:42    Madam Chair, I apologize. I did, I overlooked one of my questions. Mr. Arch with the, with the access of the, the clubhouse for the folks in the single family home, that's gonna be, I mean, in some cases some people might walk, but that's essentially a drivable sort of situation, right? Since the wetlands are in between, there's and, and they will need some sort of credentials or something so that, you know, folks aren't just randomly going into the clubhouse and it's, and it's for its owners. Is is that, I don't even know how that stuff works. Just curious how they keep it to the folks who are paying into the HOA and things of that nature.  
Speaker 10    02:00:32    Yeah, I I I can only assume I, I don't know if we've, if we've gone into that detail, I can assume that the HOA will provide some form of a credential, you know, number of passes or something to the, to the individuals that they'll have to show to get in there. I know in, in previous apartment complexes that I've lived in, there have been, you know, you need to have like either key card access or some sort of way to access the, the clubhouse facilities. And I imagine it'll be something similar to that, I believe a key FOB system. But that'll be sorted out with the HOA.  
Speaker 9     02:01:02    You know what, that brings up a question. So with the, with the accessibility for the folks in the single family home, who I don't know and how many, what percentage of folks are gonna take their car? I'd imagine quite a few will bring their car that, that, that parking allotment. I'm asking maybe our town professionals we've taken into consideration right? Folks coming from single family homes with their cars to access the community center there,  
Speaker 11    02:01:30    The clubhouse required 14 additional parking spaces. Okay. That, that was what was determined.  
Speaker 9     02:01:36    Thank you. Okay.  
Speaker 2     02:01:39    Okay. Are we good? Do I have a motion? Madam go. We accept this. Go ahead. Mr. Foster, accept this. Oh, is that you Mr. Atkins?  
Speaker 1     02:02:08    Mr. Foster? Mr. Foster?  
Speaker 2     02:02:10    Mr. Foster, I didn't see,  
Speaker 1     02:02:12    Move the application with all the conditions agreed to by Mr. Archer? Correct? Mr. Foster,  
Speaker 2     02:02:23    Is that true? Mr.  
Speaker 1     02:02:26    I think he said yes. It's just hard to hear him.  
Speaker 2     02:02:31    Okay. Is there, okay, is there a second? I'll second. Har second. Okay. Roll call please.  
Speaker 3     02:02:40    Mayor Wahler?  
Speaker 12    02:02:42    Yes. With, to make sure, with a caveat with the list of all the conditions and everything that we spoke about here.  
Speaker 2     02:02:50    So  
Speaker 1     02:02:50    Mr. Archs nodding is had an agreement?  
Speaker 12    02:02:53    Yes.  
Speaker 2     02:02:55    Councilwoman  
Speaker 3     02:02:56    Cahill?  
Speaker 2     02:02:57    Yes. And I'm just going to ditto what the mayor said.  
Speaker 3     02:03:00    Ms. Corcoran? Yes. Ms. Saunders? Yes. Mr. Atkins?  
Speaker 2     02:03:05    Yes.  
Speaker 3     02:03:06    Mr. Foster?  
Speaker 2     02:03:08    Yes.  
Speaker 3     02:03:09    And Madam Chair?  
Speaker 2     02:03:10    Yes. Mr. Barlow, you wouldn't, would you like to enumerate the conditions?  
Speaker 1     02:03:17    It might take the re might might add to the meeting, but Mr. Mr. I I have a list of 'em and Mr. Ar and I,  
Speaker 12    02:03:23    Let's just put it this way, Mr. Barr. It'll, it'll be on the board approval conditions in the memorialization.  
Speaker 1     02:03:30    Yes. A hundred percent. It'll all be encompassed in, in the resolution for next month. Mr. Arch, if I could just ask your engineer's exhibits one through four, if you could make sure he emails them to Ms. Buckley.  
Speaker 10    02:03:44    Yes, we'll provide those as well as Mr. Horton's exhibit as well.  
Speaker 1     02:03:48    Thank you.  
Speaker 10    02:03:49    And Mr. Barlow, if you miss any of the conditions, I'll make sure to remind you.  
Speaker 1     02:03:53    If you don't, I'm sure the mayor or Ms. Corcoran will  
Speaker 2     02:04:00    Thank you.  
Speaker 10    02:04:01    Thank you everybody have a wonderful evening. Thank  
Speaker 2     02:04:03    You everybody. Motion, motion to adjourn.  
Speaker 12    02:04:08    So moved.  
Speaker 2     02:04:09    Yep. Second.  
Speaker 12    02:04:10    And happy Halloween everybody. Thank you.  
Speaker 2     02:04:12    Yes, thank you.