Transcript for Piscataway Zoning meeting on April 24 2025
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Apr 24 2025 · Zoning
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Speaker 0Kerry News and the Star Ledger. Will the please call the role
Speaker 1Mr. Weisman? Here. Mr. Regio Royce? Here. Mr. Blo?
Speaker 0Here.
Speaker 1Mr. Haka? Here. Mr. Mitterando? Here. Mr. Riley? Here. And Chairman Cahill.
Speaker 0Here. Will everyone please stand for salute to the flag? I pledge Allegiance to the flag to America. America and to the republic of which it stands. One Nation under God in liberty and justice for all. Mr. Cane, are there any agenda?
Speaker 2Yes, there are. The application of T-Mobile 1711 South second Street is adjourned until May 8th. They must notice the 200 foot list. The a application of Parkway plastics is postponed until May 22nd, 2025 with no further notice by the applicant. Those are all the changes I have this evening.
Speaker 0Thank you, Mr. Kinneally. Let's move on to item number 7 25 dash ZB dash 15 V. Michael. Grab
Speaker 2Is Michael. Grab present.
Speaker 3That is I, yes.
Speaker 2I need to swear you in. Could you raise your right hand? Do you swear that the testimony you're about to give shall be the truth?
Speaker 3I do.
Speaker 2Your name and address, please.
Speaker 3Michael, grab two. Vera Street Piscataway.
Speaker 2Thank you. Could you explain to the board why you're here?
Speaker 3I have an existing fence that was built when I bought the house. It was there, it was on the plans when I bought the house. I was given a summon or a notice that it was not meeting standards for the town. So that's why I'm here to apply for a variance for my fence.
Speaker 0Mr. Ms. Rahi, can you help us out here for a minute?
Speaker 4Certainly. So, 25 foot setback off of William Street is required. Our staff report proposes a 15 foot setback with a landscape buffer to soften the six foot vinyl fence.
Speaker 0Is that something you could do, Mr. To grab?
Speaker 3That's kind of a big ask, but I really, I'd like to keep defense as it is, considering it's been there the entire time. I understand the, the stand, the stance of Piscataway, but my stance is that it's been there for 30 years now, if not longer, and nothing's changed in, in that area at all.
Speaker 2In order to be grandfathered in, you would have to prove that it was there in 1953.
Speaker 3Yeah, I, I understand that. I asked when I went, I, I'm willing to, you know, give a little bit. I would like it to be a little closer to the property line than 15 if possible.
Speaker 0It, it's a good compromise, Mr. Grabs, sometimes we have to go to the letter of law and, and make it the full amount. So Jonathan is very flexible and very accommodating when he comes up with these numbers. And I, I, I don't think we could ask for anything more at this point.
Speaker 3Okay. If Grant the variance at this length and I get the pricing to have it removed, and if I get pricing to replace it with a four foot fence where it is now, is it okay for the board if I go with the four foot fence or the movement of the six foot fence?
Speaker 2Yeah, if it's a four foot fence and it's 50% solid right. You would not need a variance. Okay. And you could put that in just getting a fence permit. The f the board could move forward on Mr. Mizrahi's recommendation and give you an approval of the 15 foot from the property line should you choose to do that.
Speaker 3Okay. I'd like to add that.
Speaker 0Sorry.
Speaker 3Yes.
Speaker 0Okay. Any other members of the board have any questions or comments? Hearing none, I'm gonna open it to the public. Anyone in the public have any comments or questions about this application?
Speaker 1No. One chairman.
Speaker 0Okay. Close the public portion. I'd make a motion to approve this application with the recommendations of Jonathan. I'll second it. Thanks. Caller roll.
Speaker 1Mr. Weisman? Yes. Mr. Regio? Yes. Mr. Blo? Yes. Mr. Hika? Yes. Mr. Mitterando? Yes. Mr. Alley? Yes. And Chairman Caho?
Speaker 0Yes.
Speaker 2Your application as amended has been approved. We'll memorialize this in a written document and send that document to you.
Speaker 3Thank you. Have a good evening.
Speaker 0Have a good evening. Let's move on to item number 8 25 dash ZB dash 16 B. Sophia Ara.
Speaker 5Yes.
Speaker 2I need to swear you in. Could you raise your right hand? Sure. Do you swear that the testimony you're about to give should be the truth? Yes. Your name and address, please?
Speaker 524 Ballast Lane Piscataway 0 8 8 5 4.
Speaker 2And your name?
Speaker 5Sophia Ara.
Speaker 2Okay, thank you. Could you explain to the board why you're here?
Speaker 5We wanted to make sure everything was okay with us fixing a fence. We came to the township and we had the plans to show this fence. The corner of our property when we bought the house has the shed on the corner of the backyard on a cement base, and we were asking for a variance for the shed to stay there. It's been there on the most previous time. I, I'm not sure if it was ever moved or anything. It looks like the original location and the original structure for the, where the house is similar to some of the other sheds that are in that same backyard. The variance, I believe, was asking for it to not be moved closer to the house, as if it would moved closer to the house. It would be next to the deck.
Speaker 0Okay. Jonathan, you wanna jump in on this too, sir?
Speaker 4Sure. What, what is it that you keep in the shed right now?
Speaker 5Tools, lawn mower, all of the backyard mowing equipment, the raking, all of these things. The, a lot of the battery powered equipment for cutting the bushes.
Speaker 4Okay. Do you have another space on your property to store this equipment and material?
Speaker 5No. Okay. The side, the side is very narrow in terms of, we have two frontages, so there's no side that of the house that we can use.
Speaker 4Okay. So staff recommends that if this shed needs to be replaced or repaired significantly, that you would have to, you would have to move the shed into a conforming location. Okay. The same goes for the deck. If the deck has to be repaired or replaced substantially, that would have to be located in a conforming location.
Speaker 5Okay.
Speaker 4There's an overhang of the, the roof coming off the side of the shed. We'd like to see that removed as a condition of approval.
Speaker 0Okay. Is
Speaker 4That something you're agreeing to? Yes. Okay. And then once, if this application gets approved, you would need to go and seek out a permit for the shed.
Speaker 5Okay.
Speaker 4And that's, that's all the staff has for this application.
Speaker 0Okay. Thank you Jonathan. Thank you. You, you, you're okay with that Mr. Rain? Yes. Okay. Any other members of the board have any questions or comments about this? Hearing none. I'm gonna open it to the public. Anyone in the public have any comments or questions about this application?
Speaker 1No. One chairman.
Speaker 0Okay. Close the public portion. I'd make a motion to approve this application. Getting a second. I second it. All roll please.
Speaker 1Mr. Weisman?
Speaker 0Yes.
Speaker 1Mr. Regio? Yes. Mr. Blo? Yes. Mr. Hika? Yes. Mr. Mitterando? Yes. Mr. Ellie? Yes. And Chairman Cahill?
Speaker 0Yes.
Speaker 2Your application has been approved. Will memorialize it in a written document at our next meeting and we'll send that document to you. You'll need that to get your permit.
Speaker 5Okay. Thank you so much. Good
Speaker 1Luck. You have a good night. Goodnight
Speaker 5Night. Good night.
Speaker 0Okay, let's move on to item number 9 24 25 dash ZB dash 20 V Wafi re rggi. You got it. That's right. Hello,
Speaker 2Mr. Rggi, I need to swear you in. Could you raise your right hand? Yes. Do you swear the testimony you're about to give should be the truth?
Speaker 0Yes.
Speaker 2Okay. Could I have your address please?
Speaker 0Sure. 2 42 Grandview Avenue.
Speaker 2And please explain to the board why you're here.
Speaker 0Sure. Would it be okay if I use an exhibit? Sure. Okay.
Speaker 7Please let me know when the board can see it.
Speaker 2I see shed variance request.
Speaker 7Yep. So essentially what I'm trying to do is get a larger shed. I am paying about $800 worth of storage each month, which has become financially burdensome to store materials that are fra frankly, household materials, things that are from my mother's estate and a few other things. I've asked for a few key asks. I I'm sure the board's aware of them, A setback variance on the front, front from the front to the back. As well as the side variance going down from three to eight feet. The, the accessory structure is about a foot and a half taller than I think the 18 feet and increasing building coverage to 21%. And just to give, essentially the shed I have now is just, it's, it's full. It's got a lot of very heavy materials. And so being able to store has become more challenging. The garage at this point has become where we overflow, can't put the cars in there.
Speaker 7So desire sheds really gets to two store, two story shed. There's a very competitive shed that's a, from a price perspective, makes it attractive. I, you know, considered increasing the footprint of the shed length times width versus a two floor shed. But that would increase the building coverage significantly. On my yard, I only have 0.26 of an acre. It would take it from 21% to probably about close to 25 or 26% if not more. And reduce walkable space to, to achieve the objective. The only I idea was to go up and go, you know, to the second story approach. And those two floors require at least eight foot per floor and the top peak adds about three feet. That's the reason I'm asking for the, the relief on the height of the, the shed. It also requires a 16 foot wide structure because it, you know, for it to be two feet, two floors, it needs to have that, that stability.
Speaker 7So the really, the, the, essentially the impact on my neighbors are two neighbors, specifically 12 Anita Drive and two 40 Grand View. I've mapped them out to show you here from a Google view where the shed would be placed, it'd be approximately 11 feet from my structure, 11 feet from my house. And this shows the three feet here. It would be right in line with both of our structures. So if you look at the bottom diagram or the bottom picture, where it would be placed would be right alongside the same, same of the structure. So essentially you'd have both of them behind our structure. So the visibility of it to anybody else from a side perspective is only limited to two 40 and two to 42 grand view. Our two properties, I've already spoken to the owner of two 40 wouldn't even have asked for the variance.
Speaker 7Wouldn't even have gone forward if they weren't okay with it. They were totally fine with it. It, the only other person was Anita Drive the perspective from Anita Drive. There's already a shed, current shed up here that blocks the vision essentially. So they would not see it. And there's a large tree line of arborvitae that you can see here from this perspective. So it wouldn't necessarily be in their view as well. And again, both, both neighbors seem to be okay with it. The perspective from here is where it would be placed. So you kind of see the frontage view. This is through the front of the property tree line in the front. So again, not an effective party 'cause it would be covered by the tree line and they, they really, there's no residents that would actually see it from that perspective. So all, all the perspective essentially are covered.
Speaker 7It would literally just be whether or not the township was okay with allowing me to have the structure of this size. There's more rationale, happy to share more, but the reason for the, the, the variance, the relief on the eight feet to three feet from the side property is so that it'd still be able to use the walk the, this distance here, the 11 feet to be able to drive in, you know, wood delivery plan to do some other things. In the future, it would require a vehicle to be able to get through there just temporarily for loading and unloading. I wouldn't be able to do that if we e exacted the full eight feet on the side variance. And I would not be able to hide the shed or accessory structure between the two structures so that they would sort of be within the house line if I were to go this full 60 feet of the setback from the front property line. So it's really meant to hide it by putting it between the two ho homes. That's essentially my point. That's what I'm trying to achieve. So hopefully township will consider it.
Speaker 0Okay. Jonathan, you wanna jump in here please?
Speaker 4Sure. The trailer, the, the trailers that you have in the driveway right now that are being used for storage, is that the items that are being stored in there, would that be safe to say that that would be installed in the, in the shed?
Speaker 7So the, the trailer one trailer's being sold, that second trailer, the larger one is used as a toy trailer. So I use it to bring my, my three wheel motorcycle essentially to different places. So it's not used for storage right now. One of those is used for essentially, you know, some things that I'm trying to get rid of, but that's not gonna be something permanent. So it would not end up being placed inside the shed. The stuff in the garage would be placed in the shed. The stuff in storage in the, the two cube smart units that are costing me 800 a month, that would go into the shed.
Speaker 4Understood. You mentioned on your application that the shed in the, as shown on the exhibit, the top right corner of the property would be removed. Yeah. In the slide show that you just showed us and as you described it, the shed would remain so No,
Speaker 7No, it wouldn't, it would be removed. The idea is, I'm just saying that the obstruction of View Pro, that's essentially the state now, the current state with the shed being there already obstructs 12 Anita's view. So e once it's removed, essentially what I'm saying is they're not disadvantaged in any way by the, by the shed being there. 'cause right now they're being disadvantaged by their view being obstructed by the current shed. The shed would be removed, but it would have a net effect, no negative net effect, I guess is my point from the view.
Speaker 4Thank you for clarifying. I I, I do think this would have a negative effect on the, the view from the front, even though you do have the, the solid fence, it's still going to be clearly visible from above. It's gonna be impacting the character of the neighborhood. It, you're, you're talking about bringing in firewood, using vehicles to bring in firewood. That implies a, a lot of firewood and other activities. So
Speaker 7A quarter two. Yeah,
Speaker 4A a quarter two. Okay. So what other sorts of activities are you proposing? This is a residential zone, so I'm unsure what you're, what you're trying to propose.
Speaker 7Yeah, so the truck also is, because there's a pool that I may have installed. If the shed is put there, I'd have to have a, a truck to be able to haul out the dirt essentially. I don't expect trucks to be going in and out of there. The point there is just that I limit my ability to have service vehicles go in save to haul out dirt. If we're digging out the pool, if we're dropping off firewood, I, you know, I'm, I've got a bad back. Being able to drive it right to the back and being able to unload it right there is an easier thing if I, that's just the convenience of it's all I'm asking for.
Speaker 4Okay. Mr. Gers, so you were granted prior approval in 2024 for the, the pool, but that's not yet been installed,
Speaker 7Correct? Not yet. Trying to get this, trying to, there's an order of this that I'm trying to do. As soon as I get approval, both permits will be filed and then the, the, essentially the foundation will be laid out by the same contractor that'll also do the concrete for the pool.
Speaker 4I don't, I don't see a strong enough case for, for relief for the, the setbacks for a structure of this size.
Speaker 7Okay.
Speaker 0I, I have to agree this is a little bit more than a shed. When I see a shed out, I'm thinking 10 by 12, something like that. This looks like a, like a small barn. And it's, the worst part is it would set a precedent for other residents to come in. Once this size of a, of a, a structure is built, how am I supposed to tell the next person that comes to me, he says, oh, we can't put it in your yard when you are already approved Mr. Gerges. So
Speaker 7Yeah, Mr. Cahill understood and this is a love it or listed situation. My wife and I are talking about whether we end up moving to hundred and County or not. And she said, just give this a try. If you can get what you want, then great. If you can't, then we, we go someplace else. I, I,
Speaker 0I appreciate, re appreciate my residents, understand our
Speaker 7Situation. Yeah, yeah. Totally.
Speaker 0Okay. Any other members of the board of any questions or comments?
Speaker 8Yes,
Speaker 0Go
Speaker 8Ahead. I had a question you, I just wanna make sure I understood this, Mr. Ti Yeah, you're, the driving factor is actually financial because you're paying for storage. So this is a, you're looking for like a financial variance.
Speaker 7It's partly financial, but it's also just a convenience of being able to keep things on site. Specifically at my house. Tools like for example, you know, showing here snowblower, there's power washers, there's, and I actually, I should probably shouldn't get into all the detail. The things that are in the shed, we have, this is recorded in public session, but there are things that, you know, are pretty heavy that putting it in the shed is definitely more practical. There are tools that aren't pictured here that are sitting in the garage that are sizable, you know, saws and mire saws and things like that. Yeah.
Speaker 8Now you're allowed to have multiple sheds. You have to get permits. Yeah. Would if you kept the original shed and got a secondary shed.
Speaker 0Yeah.
Speaker 7Mr. Weisman, thank you so much for offering that and definitely appreciate the suggestion. I think the challenge I've got is if I'm going to use, if you look at the property here for the pool, where it's gonna be having a second shed would just mean I'd have no place to walk the dog. And that would, that would be, that would create other challenges. I think my wife would have other challenges. So I appreciate the, the idea. It's just, you know, we've considered what it would look like to increase the footprint of having something that would stay within that one floor range. And it just, it just limits what we can do with the yard. We only have 0.2, 6, 7, 8.
Speaker 0Any other members of the board have any questions? Hearing none, I'm gonna open it to the public. Any, anyone you can unshare your screen. Mr. Thank you. Appreciate gonna open it to the public. Anyone in the public have any comments or questions about this application?
Speaker 1I didn't show up by raising a hand. No. One chairman.
Speaker 0Okay. Close the public portion. Mr. Greg. It's, it's a beautiful structure, don't get me wrong, but like I said, in good conscience I prove this. I have to approve any other application that comes down the pike in a similar situation. I just think it's a great looking structure. It doesn't belong in Piscataway or on the size of the property. You have, I make a motion to deny this application.
Speaker 8I'll second it.
Speaker 0Thank you. Call the roll.
Speaker 1Mr. Weisman?
Speaker 8Yes.
Speaker 1Mr. Regio? Yes. Mr. Blo? Yes. Mr. Haka? Yes. Mr. Mitterando? Yes. Mr. Riley? Yes. And Chairman Cahill? Yes.
Speaker 7I appreciate the board's
Speaker 0Consideration. Thank you sir. Thank you.
Speaker 9We'll send you a written document showing the board's
Speaker 0Vote. Thanks so much. Good luck sir. Bye-bye. Let's move on to item number 10 25 dash ZB dash zero five V GDO JL Auto Repair.
Speaker 9Good afternoon board chair, members of the board. My name is David Psad, licensed attorney in the state of New Jersey from Bob Smith and Associates here tonight representing jdo JL Auto Repair property is located at 1300 West seventh Street designated as block 1 24 lot 3.01 in the GB zone. If you notice there's three of us on camera right now. Mr. Lascano here is the applicant and the owner of Geno Auto Repair and this is his very good family friend Grace. She is going to be acting someone as a translator tonight. Mr. Lascano has some trouble with English, so Ms. Ganza Grace Ganza here will be translating.
Speaker 9So as I mentioned, the property is located at 1300 West seventh Street block 1 24 lot 3.01 in the GB zone. The site is a corner lot on the corner of West seventh and Clinton Avenue. There's approximately 112 feet of frontage along West seventh Street and approximately 60 feet of frontage along Clinton. This site is somewhat of a unique site. It is. It was originally a service garage that contained an automotive service station and a gas station and that began around 1947. Since then, at some point in the past, gas pumps were removed but the automotive service remained. The garage remained continuing today there, the service garage is still on site and the, the building consists of three service bays and a small customer reception area. The entire site is developed with the service garage and asphalt all the way to the sidewalk.
Speaker 9And Mr. Lascano here was originally a tenant of the property and he was a tenant since June of 2011. Earlier this year, he was given the opportunity to purchase the land from the prior owner and seeks to continue his business as the owner of the property rather than just a tenant. So tonight the applicant is proposing to go forward with the service garage on the site. He is not proposing any structural changes or construction on site at all. And of course if approved tonight he will seek out the required permits for any interior renovations or any anything else that he does on site. We are looking for a conditional use variance tonight. So under NJS 8 40 55 D 70 D three and there is also several bulk variances that are existing on site given the age of the property. For the record, I'll list out all of the variances that are required or existing. So minimum lot, minimum lot area where 10,000 square feet is required and 5,277 feet is existing. Minimum lot width where 100 feet is required and 60.11 feet is existing. Minimum side yard setback where eight feet is required and six point and 2.67 feet is existing minimum rear yard where 20 feet is required and 16.18 feet is existing. Minimum floor area where 2000 feet is required and fif 1 5 9 3 feet is existing.
Speaker 9A parking setback of 10 feet is required and there is no parking setback at the moment. There's a minimum distance from the street or property line to the car lifts where 35 feet is required and 26.97 feet is existing maximum driveway width where 30 feet is required and 35.92 feet is existing driveway distance to the property where 10 feet is required. Zero feet is existing off street parking spaces where nine are required and zero spaces are existing. And minimum distance, a residential zone where 50 feet is required and less than 50 feet is existing. Now if you notice, everything that I listed out is an existing bulk variance or a condition of the the conditional use. As mentioned, the site has been existing since 1947, at least as far as we can find it. So Mr. Lascano is just asking if we can continue the use on the property. So tonight I have two witnesses. I have Mr. Jose Lascano over here to my right and his friend Ms. Berg Za to my left, she will be acting as a translator and he's represent, he is the applicant for tonight. And I also have our planner, Mr. Higgins or Allison Coffin from James Higgins Associates. For the record, we have the planning report, the John t Chadwick report dated March 27th, 2025. And we also have the pca, the Piscataway staff report dated February 19th, 2025. And actually we got one this morning from April 22nd, 2025, which is the one we'll be referring to.
Speaker 9If the board has no questions of me, I'd like to call my first witness. Mr. Lascano, Ms. Han?
Speaker 2Yeah, please proceed. Okay. I'll need to swear both of them in.
Speaker 9Sure. If you guys can raise your right hand.
Speaker 2Do you, do you swear that the testimony you're about to, about to give or about to translate shall be the truth? Yes sir. Okay. Now could you translate that for Mr. Lascano? Yes. Can you translate my question? Swearing him in to Mr. Lascano? Yes,
Speaker 10Correct.
Speaker 9No. Can you say it to host so he can, he can respond.
Speaker 10Okay. What was the
Speaker 9Question? Do you swear to the testimony you gave?
Speaker 10He said yes. Thank you. Okay. Yes.
Speaker 9So like I said, I will be asking the questions in English to Ms. Ganza. She will be, we practiced this a few times. We have the answers from Mr. Lascano himself. So if it's okay with the board, she will give the answers that Mr. Lascano has already said, or if you want, she can ask him in Spanish and then he will, he'll give it to in English and then we'll say it again in English.
Speaker 2We, we can do it the way you suggest and at the end we'll just ask Mr. Lascano if he agrees with everything she said.
Speaker 9Absolutely. So you don't have to translate just as we discussed earlier, just the answers that we already Okay. Went over. Okay. Okay. Okay. So Mr. Lascano, what is your relationship to Geno JL auto repair?
Speaker 10Okay,
Speaker 0I thought, I thought she was just gonna answer.
Speaker 9You can just answer.
Speaker 0You don't have to translate. Oh,
Speaker 10I don't have to translate. Okay. The question,
Speaker 0Sorry. Otherwise we'll be here till two in the morning.
Speaker 9Yes, agreed.
Speaker 10Okay. Okay, so he's the owner and principal of the company gender repair.
Speaker 9Okay. So what is the reason for the application here tonight?
Speaker 10Okay. I recently purchased this property in January of 2025 with the intention of owning the site for my mechanic businesses. I was a tenant for the building for approximately 13 years and I had the opportunity to purchase from my former landlord.
Speaker 9And is it correct that you intend to use the site as a mechanic shop if approved tonight?
Speaker 10I intend to continue using the site for my mechanic shop and to run it for my family. I do not want to make any structural changes or do any construction to the existing building.
Speaker 9Okay. And just so for the satisfaction of the board, can you please let us know what the intended hours of operation will be for the site?
Speaker 10Yes. The hours of operation will be Monday to Friday from 8:00 AM to 6:00 PM and Saturday from 8:00 AM to 4:30 PM and Sundays close.
Speaker 9Okay. And at the moment you have no employees, it's just you that will be operating out of the site?
Speaker 10Yes, he would. He is, for now it's only himself, but in the future two employees.
Speaker 9Okay. I have no further questions for this witness. If the board would have any questions,
Speaker 0Any members of the board have any questions at at this point?
Speaker 11No. You can proceed.
Speaker 9Okay. I'd like to call my next,
Speaker 11Before you call the next witness is, is who's gonna address the reports.
Speaker 9We will go through it at the end. Me and the planner can go through it.
Speaker 11Alright, fine.
Speaker 9Okay. For my next witness, I'd like to call Mr. James Higgins or, and for James Higgins, James W. Higgins Associates.
Speaker 12Hi, my name's Alison Allison's
Speaker 9Here. Sorry,
Speaker 12But I'll be i'll, I'll be playing the role of Jim Higgins tonight.
Speaker 9Okay. Allison is
Speaker 2Here. Raise your right hand. Do you swear the testimony you're about to give should be the truth?
Speaker 12Yes, I do.
Speaker 2Okay. Your name and address please.
Speaker 12Allison Coffin. It's spelled C-O-F-F-I-N. We're at 14 Tilton Drive in Ocean Township, New Jersey. I'm a licensed professional planner in the state of New Jersey. I'm certified by the American Institute of Certified Planners Few. And
Speaker 2You've appeared before a few times this work? Previously?
Speaker 12Yes.
Speaker 9All Ms. Huffin, is it true that Mr. Lascano here has retained you for the services of planning testimony tonight? Yes. Okay. And I will not get in your way. If you can please explain to the board the variances that we're seeking and the justifications.
Speaker 12Sure. The applicant is requesting bulk and conditional use variances to continue to use the site for a service garage. The site is a 5,277 square foot corner lot at the corner of Clinton and West seventh Street. It's occupied by the service station garage and has been occupied by such since 1947. Another service station designation, which involved both the sale of gasoline and auto repair services had been abandoned. But the use has continued to operate as a public garage, just the service aspect only including the sales of automobile supplies, automotive repairs subsequent to the removal of those gasoline sales. The uses in the GB zone and the ordinance permits service stations and public garages as conditional uses in this zone. The site, as it currently exists, it does not meet several of the conditions. So they're requesting variance relief for those. It's one is that fuel pumps, car lifts and other service appliances shall be located 35 feet from any street line or property line.
Speaker 12And the existing car lifts are 26.97 feet from a property line. The next is that driveways shall cross the sidewalk at right angles and shall not be more than 30 feet and feet in width. Driveways must be at least 10 feet from the property line and 20 feet from the intersection of street lines. And the driveway as it currently exists, is 35 feet wide and is zero feet from a property line. And the last is that service stations in public garages sh should not be within 50 feet of a residential zone. And this is located within 50 feet of a residential zone. There's also a bunch of pre-existing bulk variance conditions which are not being altered by this application. It's my opinion that special reasons exist for the granting of the requested variances and the variances can be granted with no detriment to the health, safety and general welfare.
Speaker 12Special reasons exist for the granting of the requested D three variance from the conditional use standards. The New Jersey Supreme Court in the case of Coventry Square versus the Westwood Zoning Board of Adjustment held that the standard of proof of special reasons to supportive variance from one or more conditions and impose on a conditional use should be relevant to the nature of the deviation from the ordinance. In essence, the Supreme Court stated that conditional uses are those which are permitted to a zone subject to the in position of certain specific conditions. So board should analyze the nature of the condition, the extent of the variance, and make a determination regarding the grant of the variance based on whether or not the site remains appropriate for the use despite the deviation from the ordinance. In this case, we have a proposed use that doesn't meet several of the conditions, but these are all existing D deviations.
Speaker 12The site has been developed as and used as a service station or a garage for nearly 77 years while the previous removal of the gasoline pumps resulted in the elimination of the service station designation. The state does continue to be a public garage as currently defined by the ordinance. Consequently, while the abandonment of gasoline sales may have changed, the service station designation of the use the existing repair shop use has not been changed. And it is this use for which the existing structure was built and is most suited. There is significant hardships since the D three conditional use variance standards that we're looking at are all preexisting nonconforming conditions which cannot be reasonably reduced or eliminated. The site is fully developed and all surrounding sites are also fully developed. Consequently, there's no possible way to correct the deficiencies in a manner that would be beneficial without there being significant modifications to both the subject site and possibly surrounding sub-sites.
Speaker 12The proposed variances will not impede the ability of the site to function with the use despite the deviation from the ordinance requirements here. The granting of the variances would not change any of the existing conditions on the site. And so there'll be no significant negative impact. And the use as it currently exists is limited to the sales of lubricating substances, accessories and the repair of motor vehicles. The elimination of the gasoline sales, which had been done previously included eliminating additional employees stacking vehicles at pumps, larger pricing and product identification, signage and multiple traffic movements into and out of the site. That significantly reduced the intensity of the use of the site. And so the continuation of the nonconformities at this lower intensity, the site can easily accommodate it as the site can accommodate the intent of the conditional use standards designed to manage the potential impacts that would be associated with the use despite the deviations.
Speaker 12It's my opinion that the positive criteria have been met. As for those bulk variances, they're all existing conditions, they can be granted under the T one hardship standard as they cannot be reasonably cured or reduced. And the last test for a variance is whether or not it would substantially impair the intended purpose of your master plan and zoning ordinance. And in this case, we have a site that's operated as a public garage for, for 77 years. It predates the ordinance and despite this use existing both as a service station for most of that period of time and as a public garage for all of that time, the surrounding sites have developed in a manner consistent with the zone plan. And there has therefore been no substantial detriment to the zone plan or the surrounding sites and uses from the presence of the garage on this site as the site can accommodate the use. And it's appropriate for the zone and the, the, it's my opinion that the development is consistent with the larger intent and purposes of the master plan. So therefore it's fine. No,
Speaker 9I'm good. Alright. Thank you Alison. If the board has any questions, I don't have any direct questions for Ms. Kaufman right now.
Speaker 0At this point I'd like to Mr. Ms. Rahi give his opinion.
Speaker 4Thank you. I I I'd like to look at the cumulative impact of the, of the impact of the site and the variances that are being requested here. I I do, it's my opinion that the site isn't particularly suitable for the use. It's, it's woefully undersized. There's no parking that's currently being proposed as a part of this plan. So when we do get to the, when we do get to the point where there's multiple employees, it's going to create a traffic and a safety hazard. I I also think that the site just cannot accommodate the use. It's, there's a number of physical improvements that would have to be undertaken and it's, it would not, it would not serve a, a benefit to the, the public use. It, it would be a, a, a detriment to the surrounding uses, the neighboring residential uses.
Speaker 9If I can respond to Mr. Mizrahi.
Speaker 0Yes, please.
Speaker 9So the site has been operating as a commercial, commercial use a service garage for over 77 years. As far as we know, there have been no incidents on the site, understandably. We do know that there's two entrances to the site and there's where they park the vehicles that they want to work on or that customers will go and drop off their vehicles. This is not a place where people come in as, as we said, the gas station has been removed. So it's not a place where cars are consistently coming in and out of the site. It's a place where a customer will come, have an appointment, meet up, ask for services, and the staff will put, or Ms. Osano at the moment will park the car on the site in a reasonable way to address. One of the concerns that was on the staff reports is that there's two entrances, Ms.
Speaker 9Loscano is perfectly accepting of removing that entrance on Clinton Avenue, adding the curb and sidewalk, and that way that will limit the amount of possible entrances onto the site and have a clear path and clear circulation plan that will allow cars to be dropped off to be repaired. And as we stated, this has been there for 77 years. Miss Lascano has been there for 13 years and he just purchased the site with the idea of continuing his business with his family. So understandably it, it has not been a, a detriment to the neighborhood and enterprise of service to all that that are around it.
Speaker 4The, my, my response to that would be the negative impacts might have been, might have been tolerated but not necessarily accepted. And just because, just because it's been in use for 77 years doesn't override the standards of today.
Speaker 9Understood. But as, as we said, it actually was operating as a mechanic shop even up until Mr. Lascano purchased the property. And he believes that, you know, this is a place where he's run his business for quite some time as, as an independent small time business owner. Now as a property owner in the town, I believe this gives him a great opportunity to provide better services to the township. And even if it doesn't meet the standards of what the conditional use is, it's still in the intent of the master plan and the zoning ordinance.
Speaker 4Okay. John, do you have anything you wanna add?
Speaker 11She addressed the one comment I spoke about in terms of improving the site circulation and pedestrian traffic flow. They're willing to do that. They did not address any landscaping. Very limited opportunities, but I think there's some spots that can be landscape to improve the overall appearance.
Speaker 9Yes. And if, if it does any place to the board, we can address both the, the Chadwick report.
Speaker 11One thing I didn't put in and there wasn't anything on the plan that indicated there's no new signage proposed. Correct?
Speaker 9No new signage proposed. If a new sign is proposed, they will comply with the sign of Jordan. It's absolutely
Speaker 11The only thing I would suggest Mr. Chairman, is if there is any public comment on this.
Speaker 0Yes, I agree. We'll wait till all, all the testimony is in any other members. Any questions? Okay, Mr. Prasad, you can proceed.
Speaker 9So just for the record, I'd like to address the memorandum from the Piscataway Township memorandum from April 22nd, 2025. Okay. All of the conditions are acceptable to Mr. Lascano. We will go forward and we agree with every one of the conditions. I believe there are nine. And we also agree with all the conditions and comments from Mr. Chadwick's report dated March 27th, 2025.
Speaker 0Thank you. Is that your the, any of your testimony?
Speaker 9That is the end of my testimony. Okay. I would just like to say again, I know I've said it a bunch of times, Mr. Lascano is a new time property owner. He has been doing this in this site for 13 years and wishes his wishes to continue with him and his family as a family owned business in a, in a good town and in a town where automotive services are needed. And the community would greatly benefit from having a, a automotive service center where it is and where it has been. I ask that if the board can look favorably on this application, Mr. Lascano is a small time independent business owner and just trying to make it better for him and his family. And if it is the board's inclination to not approve this application or if there's any hesitance at all, please we would, we would adjourn, carry to the next meeting. We would work out anything that needs to be worked out with the township before going forward.
Speaker 0Let me see what the, the residents have to say before we go ahead and do that. Gotcha. No other members of the board have any comments or questions. I'm gonna open it to the public. Anyone on the public have any comments or questions about this application?
Speaker 1Can I either raise your hand or unmute yourselves? No one chairman.
Speaker 0Okay. Close the public portion. I'll move of mind to do exactly what you said. Mr. Prasad, at this point, having heard the testimony of my experts here in the township, I was leaning towards denying, but at this point, if there's some way that the two ears can either find common ground or make some adjustments, I think that would be the best move At this point. I say we do move it to another meeting.
Speaker 9Understood. We we'll accept that from the board. Absolutely.
Speaker 0Okay.
Speaker 2So Laura, what, what would we be looking at? May 22nd.
Speaker 1May 22nd? Yes.
Speaker 2Is that acceptable Mr. Prasad?
Speaker 9Yes.
Speaker 2Okay. So anybody here in this application, it's gonna be continued to May 22nd, 2025 with no further notice by the applicant. The only notice you're receiving is my announcement here tonight.
Speaker 0Thank you guys.
Speaker 9Thank you members of the board, have a great night.
Speaker 0See you in a couple of weeks. Let's move on to item number 12, which is 25 dash zb dash 14 v Norma Pena.
Speaker 13Yes. Good evening, Mr. Chairman and members of the board and board consultants. Erica Edwards, land use and zoning lawyer here in New Jersey, appearing on behalf of the applicant, Norma Pena. We have two expert witnesses this evening. Our architect Maria Nevado, who is on the screen right now and our planning consultant, mark Resa, who is also online and the applicant herself is here as necessary. If you will allow me. We will, we'll let you have you swear our experts in and then I can qualify them And we can get underway.
Speaker 2Okay. We have Mr. Remson and who, who else?
Speaker 13Mr. Nevado. Mr.
Speaker 2Nevado, are you, are you both present?
Speaker 13Yes they are.
Speaker 14Yes.
Speaker 2I hear one
Speaker 15Yes here.
Speaker 2Okay. Could you each raise your right hand? Do you swear the testimony you're about to give shall be the truth?
Speaker 14I do. I do.
Speaker 2Okay. One at a time. Your name and address please.
Speaker 15Mario Nato. N-A-V-E-D-O 1208 Lansdown Terrace. Plainfield.
Speaker 2Thank you.
Speaker 14Mark. A Resa address is 10 Bury Court Mount Laurel, New Jersey.
Speaker 2Thank you. There we
Speaker 14Go. You're welcome.
Speaker 13We'll start with Mr. Nevado. Mr. Neveda, will you provide your educational and professional credentials for the board please?
Speaker 15Good evening. I'm a licensed architect in the state of New Jersey. I have my license since 2018 and it's in good standing.
Speaker 13Okay. Mr. DeVito, have you testified before this board before?
Speaker 15Yes I have.
Speaker 13Okay. And you've testified at other before other land use boards in Middlesex and surrounding counties?
Speaker 15Yes.
Speaker 13Okay. We offer Mr. Nevado as an expert in the field of architecture.
Speaker 14Please proceed.
Speaker 13Okay, very good. Mr. Nevado, have you, I understand or have, isn't it true that you have been to the subject property eight to 10 Church Street to examine it?
Speaker 15Yes, I have.
Speaker 13Okay. And isn't it true that we have your plot plan here as a submission to the board? Is it your desire to mark this Mr. Kinneally?
Speaker 2No. If it's part of the submission package, it's already part of the record.
Speaker 13Okay, very good. So Mr. Nevado, this is the plan. Your plan was submitted, the ads built of eight to 10 Chart Street, correct? Correct. Okay. And will you please describe for the board when you did examine the structure in preparation for preparing this as-built, what did you find when, when you toured the structure?
Speaker 15So I basically find that this structure is composed, A two family duplex unit is roughly 2,845 square feet unit. And the two units are basically a mirror image of each other. Or you have the an inch, an ENC closed porch at the front living room, dining room, kitchen towards the back of the property. And then on the second level you have three bedrooms and one bedroom bathroom.
Speaker 13Okay. And is it your professional opinion that when this structure was built, well, first of all, do you know when it was built?
Speaker 15It is 1928.
Speaker 13Okay. Is it your professional opinion that when this structure was built in 1928, based on the way it's constructed, that it was in fact constructed as a two family structure at that time?
Speaker 15Yes, it is my professional opinion that the structure, its layout was built for a two family configuration. They have separate entrances, separate utilities meters. Yeah.
Speaker 13Okay. Very good. That's all the direct I have of our architect.
Speaker 0Any other members of the board have any questions or con comments? Hearing none, you can proceed, ma'am.
Speaker 13Okay. Very good. Thank you. We'll move on to Mr. Mso. Mr. Mso, would you provide your educational and professional credentials for the board, please? Mr. Remsey, you're muted.
Speaker 14I'm sorry. Am I There you go mute now.
Speaker 13Yes,
Speaker 0I we can hear you fine.
Speaker 14Okay. Good evening, Mr. Chairman and board members. I've been in the field planning for over 45 years in the state of New Jersey. I'm licensed as a professional planner and landscape architect. Both licenses are in good standing. I have a master of city and regional planning. I have a master of business administration with concentration of finance and I also have a Bachelor of Science in Environmental Planning and Design. I have appeared before numerous planning boards and zoning boards throughout the state of New Jersey, including this one. And I also currently serve as a municipal planner for several municipalities. And I've also appeared before New Jersey Superior Court and have been qualified as your
Speaker 0Credentials are fine sir. Let's proceed. Okay.
Speaker 13Very good. Thank you. Thank you Mr. Mso. Per please proceed.
Speaker 14Yeah, so I visited the site. I observed similar things that Marriott has and the property is located on Church Street 10 Church Street, the block and lot numbers. Block is 1005, lot 24, the lot is a little over 9,000 square feet. Has a driveway, a very long driveway for multiple cars and parking and a garage in the back. It's in the R 7.5 residential zoning district. The surrounding land uses, they're all single family detached except for the one parcel that's next to us to the west. That is also a two family dwelling as well. I did check out and and verify that on the tax card of the township that it was built in 1928 and it also records it as a two-family. So in terms of the planning framework, this, this is essentially been a two-family home for over 90 years. There's been no abandonment of of the use.
Speaker 14It's been continuously used. So we're here either to get the nonconforming certification or if we are talking about a use variance for this two family dwelling in a single family in terms of promoting the municipal landus law. In terms of the positive criteria, I find several purposes are advanced by this application, NJSA 40 55 D dash two G to provide sufficient space for appropriate locations for a variety of uses in this case residential. In this case it's been a two family for almost, almost a, a century and has been fitting into the surrounding area. Also, I to pro promote, promote a desirable visual environment. If you do see the property, it has been upgraded. It, the, the, the house is in excellent condition and so is the property, Jay, to prevent urban sprawl. In this case, we're re you know, it's been been A-A-A-A-A two family in a residential district and also m efficient use of land and then I bring it all back with a, that it promotes the public health safety morals and general welfare site suitability.
Speaker 14In this case, it's been suitable as a two family for over 90 years. It has separate entrances. It can be, it supports the two, two family unit. It has sufficient off street parking, has the very long driveway and a two car garage at the very end. So it can easily support the two family dwelling. In terms of the negative criteria, we have to look at the impact on surrounding properties. I see no negative impact to any of the residents. And finally, in terms of your re reconciled with the master plan, you have an overriding goal and that's to preserve the character and quality of the existing residential neighborhoods. And in my opinion, this this two family home that's been there for many, many years. Does that,
Speaker 0Okay, Jonathan, would you chime in?
Speaker 4Appreciate the, appreciate the testimony of the two professionals. I just wanna make a point for the board that if a d variance is sought, there's a number of nonconformities that would have to be addressed or conditioned. But certification and non-conforming use, if, if they're proceeding as that, as their primary nature of the application, that that would be acceptable.
Speaker 0Thank you. Appreciate any other members of the board of any questions or comments.
Speaker 11Mr. Chairman, I have only one comment if you approve this, I would've it subject to certification of fire, carbon monoxide and fire. Fire alarms didn't show anything on the planes.
Speaker 2Is that acceptable, Ms. Edwards?
Speaker 1Yes it is, sir.
Speaker 0Okay. Anyone else have any comments or questions? Ms. Edwards? I'm gonna go to the public portion at this point. I'm assuming you're done with testimony.
Speaker 1We are.
Speaker 0Okay. Open up the public portion. Anyone with any comments or questions about this application?
Speaker 1No. Chairman. None.
Speaker 0Okay. Close the public portion. I'd make a motion to approve this application.
Speaker 11I'll second it.
Speaker 0Please call a roll.
Speaker 1Mr. Weisman?
Speaker 11Yes.
Speaker 1Mr. Regio? Yes. Mr. Blot?
Speaker 11Yes.
Speaker 1Mr. Heka? Yes. Mr. Mitterando? Yes. Mr. Ali? Yes. And Chairman Cahill? Yes.
Speaker 0You've
Speaker 2Been granted your certificate of non-conforming use. We will memorialize it at our next meeting and send that document to you. Good luck.
Speaker 11Thank you Mr. Chairman and board members.
Speaker 0Good evening. Have good evening. Let's move on to item number number 1325 dash ZB dash 17 slash 18 v Kristen Lauria.
Speaker 16Good evening, members of the board, board professionals. My name is Tim Arch. I'm an attorney licensed in the state of New Jersey. I'm here representing 2 85 Stelton Road. Applicant is Kristen Ria. She's the owner and proprietor of John and Jones Road stand. We're here tonight seeking permission to add a eight by 16 foot commercial trailer with a three by six concession window, which would house an oven and some sinks for the purpose of baking off pies to be sold at the road stand. Also to serve as a point of sale for coffee and refreshments for patrons who are visiting the, the road stand. We were in front of you not too many years ago and we're granted a use variance to continue the farm use on site. This is a technical intensification of the previous granted use variance really to state it plainly. The question for the board is whether the addition of this amenity would in any way be detrimental such that it would negatively impact the prior approval.
Speaker 16The trailer, as you'll hear is it's movable. The eventual goal is to be able to take it offsite to events, but while it's on site, we've made sure that it's going to be sitting in a position or in a place on the property that respects all of the setbacks for accessory structures. So there's no bulk variance relief needed for any of that. The only variance that we're seeking is for the inclusion of a, a sign or a logo that's gonna be on the outside of the trailer. We've provided a, a mockup with our, with our application to indicate what it would look like. It's relatively modest, it's not gonna be, the maximum it would be is 16 square feet in total size. We haven't decided whether that's gonna be a mountable sign or a decal on the, on the side of the, of the trailer. But in, in either way, that that's what we are requesting. There are two reports that we'll address tonight. One is Mr. Chadwick's report, which is dated April 16th, 2025. The other is the tri-party staff report, which is April dated April 10th, 2025. I only have one witness tonight. That's Kristen Ria. Again, the owner and proprietor of John and Jones. I think we can address all the comments and the reports through her testimony. And with that
Speaker 17Proceed please
Speaker 16If we can have Ms. Kristin Ria please unmute and be sworn in please.
Speaker 2Ms. Ria, can you hear me?
Speaker 17I can, yes. Okay.
Speaker 2Could you raise your right hand? Do you swear that the testimony you're about to give should be the truth?
Speaker 17I do, yes.
Speaker 2Your name and address please?
Speaker 17Kristen Ria. Eight Ruth Place, Piscataway, New Jersey. Thank
Speaker 2You.
Speaker 16So Kristen, number one is everything that I've said so far accurate?
Speaker 17It is, yes.
Speaker 16Okay. So briefly tell the board why it is that you want to add this amenity to the road stand.
Speaker 17Well, I've had many customers ask through the years for, for fresh pies and also they've also asked for coffee and things like that. And you know, we see it at a lot of other farm stands and ones that I've, I've visited obviously a little bit outside of here 'cause there's really nothing like us around. And I just wanted to be able to offer those things as well to our customers. So this was a, a great way to offer the ability to bake off pies and things like that to sell in the road stand and also to have with the concession window sell coffee and maybe some single apple cider donuts, things like that as well to our customers as they're browsing, you know, the road stand. And my daughter actually had worked for, she was a, a waitress, a bartender for six years over at Gabriel's and she's gotten into barista work. So she, she enjoys that. And so with, with her on, on board as well here, that would be a great opportunity to offer both of these services for our customers. That's really it in a nutshell.
Speaker 16You're, you're, you're, you're bringing her into the family business as well, you're training her to take it? Yes.
Speaker 17Right. She, she, she had my first grandchild, so the, the bar scene is really not, you know, that type of thing. So she, she got so into the barista stuff and she's really good at it. Cool.
Speaker 16Alright, so let's talk about the sign and the decal. We did provide an example, we, you would agree this is gonna be either affixed to the trailer, some, some way and it's not gonna be any larger than 16 square feet. Is that correct?
Speaker 17That's correct, absolutely. Okay.
Speaker 16No, no. Let's real quick go through the reports, just make sure that we can address everything. So in Mr. Chadwick's reports, one of the comments he made is whether there was gonna be any seating provided. Can you please address that quickly?
Speaker 17Well, there really wasn't any official plans, although I, it would be nice to have like a, a little bench or maybe a small like cafe style table with maybe a couple of of chairs. If somebody wanted to just relax for a moment and sit down, you have some people that stop and maybe on their lunch break or what have you for just to pick up a couple items. Maybe they wanted to sit for five minutes, look at their phone and, you know, but nothing, nothing fancy and nothing official in nature, but, but it would be nice to, to have a little bench or something there.
Speaker 16Okay. And just so the board is aware, Mr. Chadwick indicated that he would've no objection to a sort of small seating seating area in that, in that area. Okay. Sure. And one of the things is we will sort, we'll of course abide by all the prior conditions of the original use variance. Is that correct?
Speaker 17Yes, of course.
Speaker 16Okay. Yes. So moving onto the tri-party report. So we're agreeing to abide by all the accessory setbacks. One of the comments was whether or not there's a need for a generator. Can you address that as well?
Speaker 17Well, I don't, there wouldn't be on, on site. I'm actually speaking with an electrical engineer to have a dedicated power source while on site. 'cause I, I wouldn't want a generator there. The noise, the maintenance, the uptake. If we were to take it offsite, obviously if needed, we would have to have a generator offsite, but not on site. I had no plans for that and we would, you know, now I'm in talks with the, the engineer to hopefully we can get the necessary permits and, and things together for that.
Speaker 16Okay, great. For
Speaker 17Dedicated power, you know, the power line or what have you.
Speaker 16And of course we, you agree to abide by all applicable health sanitation codes, all that sort of stuff, correct?
Speaker 17Yes, absolutely.
Speaker 16Okay. And the final comment on the, on the tri-party report was concerning the fiber optic lines. Just so the board is aware, we've already actually reached out to the administration to discuss specifics as to that, as to the timing and the installation of that. And I think it was determined that the best way to, to address that was through a developer's agreement. I've provided a proposed draft already to Mr. Kinneally, so we certainly agree to, to address that condition by way of a, a developer's agreement. Is that correct, Kristen?
Speaker 17That's correct, yes.
Speaker 16And I have received your developer's agreement. Okay. I have no further, no further.
Speaker 0I had quick question, Kristen, would the truck be operating outside the normal hours of the stand?
Speaker 17Oh no, absolutely not. In fact, it may be even shorter than our, you know, our, our road stand hours. So
Speaker 0From not open at night for, you know, yuppies or whatever.
Speaker 17No, no. None of that yuppies. None of that. I mean,
Speaker 0It's not even a term anymore, is it? I'm showing you how old I am. Yeah,
Speaker 17Yeah. Generally our hours are like till five on the weekends, till six during the week. And so it would never go over that. In fact, you know, it might be three or four, you know, it wouldn't, it wouldn't be over the hour.
Speaker 0Okay. Jonathan, was your generator question answered?
Speaker 4Yes and no. It raised, it raised another question. So a dedicated permanent power line would effectively limit the location of the trailer on site when you're trying to use that dedicated power source, correct?
Speaker 17Yes.
Speaker 4So that would have, that location of the power source would have to be cited in a way so that the trailer when tapping into this power source would not be encroaching on any setbacks.
Speaker 17Yes. Correct.
Speaker 4Okay. So that's something that we'll have to, when that application comes in for the power source, that's something that, that's gonna have to be reviewed and approved by staff. 'cause that's going to effectively limit the portability of the trailer on site when it's in use.
Speaker 16That's, that's perfectly fine. Yeah. What we, there, there would've to be appropriate permits to, to run any of those lines anyway. That makes sense. Ensure that we're not violating. Yeah, absolutely. Any setback, Mary, when
Speaker 0We do that? Any other members of the board have any questions or comments?
Speaker 11I just have one. I wanna pin this sign down. You said you would comply with the township's requirements. Yes, but it would seem logical. It's like my comment with the picnic tables of chairs just seems like it was logical to have it there. Wouldn't it be logical to have this sign out by the street instead instead of a decal on the trailer that's in the back of a lot?
Speaker 17Well would, I mean we could hang maybe a little sign on the fence or something. I don't, you know as well, you know, like a little Yeah,
Speaker 11I mean I guess you could just add to your sign now
Speaker 17And Right. But you know, that's a possibility as well. And
Speaker 11That doesn't conform either, so maybe it just asks the board. You're gonna add a little coffee donut sign on your existing sign just so you don't get to be everybody coming back and see this I, I can
Speaker 17Tell you I see
Speaker 16Mr. Chadwick, I can tell you we certainly want it on the trailer so that when it's offsite, obviously that's gonna be advertised. Okay. When it's offsite, if the board is willing to grant us relief that we can modify the existing stand or the existing sign that's out there to also include, you know, a reference to this concession area, we're perfectly happy to take that relief as
Speaker 11Well. The way, the way your client just described it in my mind would be fine and it would fit the character of what's there.
Speaker 0Sure. And it's good advertising. Appreciate
Speaker 17That. Thank you.
Speaker 0Any other members of the board have any questions or comments? Hearing none 'em gonna open to the public. Anyone in the public have any comments or questions about this application? You're muted.
Speaker 1Nope, according. That's okay. You're muted. Yeah. Anyone you could raise your hand or unmute yourselves. No one chairman.
Speaker 0Okay. Close the public portion and I would make a motion to approve this application.
Speaker 11I second it.
Speaker 0Please call the roll.
Speaker 1Mr. Weisman? Yes. Mr. Regio? Yes. Mr. Blo? Yes. Mr. Heka? Yes. Mr. Mitterando? Yes. Mr. Ellie? Yes. And Chairman cao? Yes. Mr.
Speaker 2Arch Will we'll memorialize this at our next meeting.
Speaker 0Thank you so much. Everybody get your pie orders in. Appreciate it. Have a good night. You got it. Thank you. Bye everybody. All right, let's go on to item number 14. Adoption of re resolutions from the regular meeting of April 10th, 2025.
Speaker 2First resolution. Carlos Serrano, which you voted to approve. Mr. Weisman? Yes. Mr. O'Reggio? Yes. Mr. Mitterando? Yes. Mr. Ali? Yes. Chairman Cahill?
Speaker 0Yes.
Speaker 21600 West fourth Street. This was to modify a condition of approval. Mr. Weisman? Yes. Mr. O'Reggio? Yes. Mr. Mitterando? Yes. Mr. Ali? Yes. Chairman Cahill?
Speaker 0Yes.
Speaker 2Next. Rebecca McCarthy, which you voted to approve. Mr. Weisman? Yes. Mr. O'Reggio? Yes. Mr. Mitterando? Yes. Mr. Ali? Yes. Chairman Cahill? Yes. Next is Ronco Development. This is a resolution of withdrawal. We need somebody to move it and second it please.
Speaker 0I'll make a motion to remove. I'll second.
Speaker 2Mr. Weisman? Yes. Mr. O'Reggio. Mr. Blount?
Speaker 0Yes.
Speaker 2Mr. Duka? Yes. Mr. Mitterando? Yes. Mr. Ali? Yes. Chairman Cahill? Yes. Next. Rocco development also withdrawn. I need a motion in a second. I.
Speaker 0Micro motion. I'll second.
Speaker 2Mr. Weisman? Yes. Mr. O'Reggio? Yes. Mr. Blount? Yes. Mr. Duka? Yes. Mr. Mitterando? Yes. Mr. Ali? Yes. Chairman Cahill? Yes. Those are all the resolutions for this evening.
Speaker 0Let's move on to item number 15, adoption of the minutes from the regular meeting of April 10th, 2025. All in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. Move on to item number 16. Adjournment. All in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Once again everybody, thank you so much. Enjoy this nice weather. Have a good evening everyone.
Speaker 1Next meeting is
Speaker 0May. Everyone can't wait
Speaker 1You in a few weeks. Good night.