Transcript for Piscataway Planning meeting on April 8 2026

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Speaker 0     00:00:03    Piscataway Township Planning Board meeting will please come to order. Adequate notice of this meeting was provided in the following ways. Notice published in the Coer News notice posted on the bulletin board of the municipal building notice made available to the township clerk notice sent to the COER News in the star ledger. Ms. Buckley, would you please call the role  
Speaker 1     00:00:23    Mayor Wahler? Present Councilwoman Cahill? Here. Here. Thank you. Ms. Corcoran. Here. Reverend Kinneally? Here. Here. Mr. Atkins? Here. Mr. Foster? Here. I can't hear the,  
Speaker 3     00:00:46    They're pressing the button.  
Speaker 1     00:00:47    I know. I'm watching Mr. Ahmed. Here. Mr. Aria here. And Madam Chair  
Speaker 0     00:00:55    Here. Mr. Barlow, would you please read the Open Public meeting Notice?  
Speaker 3     00:01:00    Certainly. Madam Chair, we are doing this meeting through the online meeting platform, specifically Zoom and keeping with the guidelines that have been disseminated by the Department of Community Affairs, the planning board has tried its best to comply with the Open Public Meeting Act and the DCA guidelines. In addition, any applicant whose matter will be heard this evening has had the login information for the online meeting platform put forth in their notice. Members of the public who wish to be heard will be afforded an opportunity as if they were in an actual physical space. And I believe the board's done its absolute best to comply with the DCA guidelines and the Open Public Meetings Act.  
Speaker 0     00:01:37    Thank you. The flag can be seen over my right shoulder. Can we all recite the Pledge of Allegiance in unison, please? I pledge Allegiance Pledge Allegiance to the flag. The flag of the United United of America. Of America. And To the Republic. To the Republic. For which stands? Which it stands, one Nation. Nation. Under God. Under God, individual, indivisible. With Liberty. Liberty. And Justice. And justice for all. Thank you. Can we swear in the professionals?  
Speaker 3     00:02:06    Certainly. Ron, Jim? Yep. Do you swear the testimony I give before this board will be the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth, so you God? I  
Speaker 1     00:02:13    Do. I do.  
Speaker 0     00:02:15    Are there any changes to our agenda tonight?  
Speaker 3     00:02:17    None that I'm aware of. Madam Chair.  
Speaker 0     00:02:19    Thank you. Do we have any duly audit duly audited bills to be paid tonight?  
Speaker 3     00:02:27    Believe so. There should be a motion to pay the bills.  
Speaker 0     00:02:29    Can I, can I get a motion to pay all duly audited bills? Madam Chair? Motion. Councilwoman Cahill. Thank you. Can I get a second?  
Speaker 1     00:02:38    Second. Dawn Corcoran.  
Speaker 0     00:02:39    Thank you. Roll call please.  
Speaker 1     00:02:41    Mayor Wahler? Yes. Councilwoman Cahill? Yes. Ms. Corcoran? Yes. Reverend Kinneally room.  
Speaker 0     00:02:51    I see him on the screen there because  
Speaker 1     00:02:52    This, yes. Once we're done with this, I'm gonna have to get off. I'm gonna have to move them into Dawn's office. I apologize. Mr. Atkins? Yes. Mr. Foster? Yep. Mr. Ahmed? Yes. Mr. Aria? Yes. And Madam Chair?  
Speaker 0     00:03:09    Yes. Yes. Do you want to take a quick  
Speaker 4     00:03:12    Break right now, Lauren? I'll  
Speaker 1     00:03:13    Move. Yes, please. Yeah, I do. It's all set up. While Larry have to do is grab their stuff and come in. So I'll bring, okay. Thank you.  
Speaker 0     00:03:20    Meeting is adjourned for a moment.  
Speaker 6     00:03:25    Ch chair. I'm gonna jump off and try to come back in to hopes to get some video here,  
Speaker 0     00:03:34    Okay? Okay. We, we are adjourned for about five minutes.  
Speaker 6     00:03:36    Thank you.  
Speaker 4     00:04:14    I told, so chitchat me. I can't mute the So they talk about it? Yeah, little. All right. Grab a seat up there.  
Speaker 5     00:04:42    All right. You guys are unmuted.  
Speaker 0     00:04:45    Okay.  
Speaker 5     00:04:49    Do you know how to mute and unmute? If you want, you have to stretch though. You can see all my children. Sorry about that. And I told 'em they can't talk about anybody because they're on, they're not on mute. Okay. And if you guys do need to mute, just use that. This is Dawn. This is Dawn's office? Yes.  
Speaker 0     00:05:13    Okay. It's 7 0 6 In our meeting is back in session. The next item, our agenda is adoption of resolution to memorialize action taken on March 11th. Well, there's none on that. There's none. Adoption of the minutes from the regular meeting of March 11th. Do I have a motion to, to do, I have a motion to adopt the minutes of, of the regular meeting of March 11th from  
Speaker 5     00:05:46    Mr. I'll make the motion.  
Speaker 0     00:05:48    Do I have a second? Mr. Atkins? A second roll call please.  
Speaker 1     00:05:53    Mayor, what? Yes. Councilwoman Cahill? Yes. Ms. Corcoran?  
Speaker 8     00:05:58    Yes.  
Speaker 1     00:05:59    Reverend Kinneally? Yes. Mr. Atkins? Yes. Mr. Foster?  
Speaker 3     00:06:04    Yes.  
Speaker 1     00:06:05    Mr. Ah. Hammed. Yes. Mr. Echeveria? Yes. And Madam Chair?  
Speaker 0     00:06:10    Yes. Yes. Item number 10, discussion on the affordable housing ordinance enacting UHAC and amended FHA regulations.  
Speaker 8     00:06:20    Madam Chair, this is Dawn Corcoran. Basically, this is one inclusive and comprehensive ordinance enacting the Uniform Housing affordability controls and the Fair Housing Acts, the development fee ordinance, and the mandatory set aside for affordable housing. We already have an ordinance in place, however, this is the most recent. This is what we are required to adopt. It's already been before council for first reading, so it's coming to us for a consistency review.  
Speaker 3     00:06:56    And since this is in keeping with the master plan requirements for the affordable housing, I think Dawn, you'd agree it, it's consistent with same  
Speaker 0     00:07:08    Members of the of the board. Do you have any questions or comments? Do I have a motion to,  
Speaker 1     00:07:20    Do we need to open to the public Madam  
Speaker 0     00:07:22    Chair? Oh, yes, we do. I apologize. Members of the public, this is a, an ordinance that has gone to the, who has been reviewed by the council, and it's back for our second reading. It's been posted and we have no comments. Any further comments? If anyone in the public has questions about this ordinance, it's back for review. Please indicate your questions by waiving your hand. Let we'll and ask any questions?  
Speaker 1     00:07:56    No. And Madam Chair.  
Speaker 0     00:07:57    Chair. Okay. Close to the public members of the board. What's your pleasure?  
Speaker 1     00:08:07    Madam Chair? I'll make a motion. Councilwoman Cahill.  
Speaker 0     00:08:13    Do I have a second? Madam  
Speaker 1     00:08:14    Chair? Reverend Kinneally Hall. Second it.  
Speaker 0     00:08:17    Roll call please.  
Speaker 1     00:08:18    Mayor Wahler? Yes. Councilwoman Cahill? Yes. Ms. Corcoran?  
Speaker 8     00:08:25    Yes.  
Speaker 1     00:08:26    Reverend Kinneally? Yes. Mr. Atkins? Yes. Mr. Foster? Yes. Mr. Ahmed? Yes. Mr. Aria? Yes. And Madam Chair?  
Speaker 0     00:08:36    Yes.  
Speaker 3     00:08:37    Madam Chair. Because of the time constraints that are involved, I took the liberty of preparing a resolution indicating the planning board's consistency, review and concurrence with the adoption of same, so that it can go back to the municipal governing body for second reading. If someone would like to make a motion just to adopt the resolution so it can be sent back to council. Madam Chair, Reverend Kinneally. I, I make a motion to that. The resolution that goes back to chair.  
Speaker 0     00:09:13    Do I have a second  
Speaker 3     00:09:15    Berry? I second it.  
Speaker 0     00:09:17    Thank you. Roll call.  
Speaker 1     00:09:19    Mayor Wahler. Yes. Councilwoman Cahill? Yes. Ms. Coran? Yes. Reverend Kinneally? Yes. Mr. Atkins? Yes. Mr. Foster? Yes. Mr. Ahmed? Yes. Mr. Aria? Yes. And Madam Chair?  
Speaker 0     00:09:34    Yes. Now we're in item number 11, discussion consistency review for rezoning. Block 2101 lots. 11 lots. 8 9, 9 0 1 and 9 0 2. Madam Chair on the Chairship. Matt? Yes.  
Speaker 3     00:09:52    I'm, I'm sorry. For ease of the, for the board's time, we're gonna discuss 11, 12, and 13 together because they're just three different properties as outlined that are all part of the same zoning ordinance in terms of essentially rezoning 'em and adding 'em to the affordable housing requirement. And I think Dawn can just expound on that a little bit.  
Speaker 8     00:10:19    No problem. So,  
Speaker 0     00:10:21    So the, so we're, we're merging items number 11 and items number 12 and  
Speaker 3     00:10:26    13  
Speaker 0     00:10:27    And 13. Okay.  
Speaker 8     00:10:30    So basically last month the planning board adopted the amended housing element and fair share plan. And if you recall, there was a chart within that plan that identified sites where housing has either been constructed or sites where housing could be constructed to meet the township's fourth round housing obligation. So with this ordinance, there's gonna be three new zones created. We're going to have the a h four, a H five, and a H six zoning ordinances. They will allow for affordable housing and market rate housing to be constructed. Keeping in mind that each of these properties will be come back to the planning board for site plan approval. We have the three properties we're going to have. The recommendation is for the property, the H eight, with the H four designation. That property is on Lakeview Avenue. The property with the a H five affordable housing designation, that's the property on Turner Place, south Washington. And the age six designation for will be for another property over on Stelton Road. But again, it's important to note that these will come back to us. We will have a say in what the buildings will look like and various, you know, things that we do comment on. So it's just to get the housing in place, the, the zoning in place so that these applications can be submitted and come to this board for review.  
Speaker 8     00:11:57    And again, we're on strict deadlines. Council had their first reading. This is coming back to planning board tonight for a consistency review. If the board agrees that it's consistent with a master plan, it will go back to for second reading and adoption by council next week.  
Speaker 0     00:12:14    Okay. Is there any other questions from the board? Okay. I would like to open it up to the public At this time, any members of the public have any questions on these, on the consistency review of these three items that have been discussed here,  
Speaker 1     00:12:37    You can raise your hand and I did unmute you, so if you have any questions, you could unmute or just raise your hand. No, Madam Chair.  
Speaker 0     00:12:45    Okay. Close to the public. Is there a motion from the board please? Motion  
Speaker 1     00:12:51    Councilwoman Cahill.  
Speaker 0     00:12:54    Do I have a second?  
Speaker 5     00:12:57    Second. Reverend Kinneally  
Speaker 0     00:12:59    Roll call please.  
Speaker 1     00:13:00    Mayor Wahler?  
Speaker 5     00:13:01    Yes.  
Speaker 1     00:13:02    Councilwoman Cahill? Yes. Ms. Corcoran? Yes. Reverend Kinneally? Yes. Mr. Atkins?  
Speaker 0     00:13:08    Yes.  
Speaker 1     00:13:09    Mr. Foster? Yes. Mr. Hammed? Yes. Mr. Aria? Yes. And Madam Chair?  
Speaker 0     00:13:16    Yes.  
Speaker 3     00:13:17    And again, Madam Chair, because of the time constraints the state has placed us under, I took the liberty of preparing a resolution indicating the consistency, review and concurrence with adoption of the resolution for the three properties in question.  
Speaker 0     00:13:33    Okay. Who wants to put forth that resolution? Can I get a  
Speaker 5     00:13:45    Reverend Kinneally? I, I, I wanna adopt the re resolution that's set forth in regards to item 13.  
Speaker 0     00:13:58    Item number 13, 11, 11, 12 and 13. 11.  
Speaker 5     00:14:02    12 and 13. I'm sorry. 11, 12 and 13. They're con conclusive together  
Speaker 0     00:14:07    For con consistency review. Can I get a second? I  
Speaker 5     00:14:11    Seconded. Like for  
Speaker 0     00:14:13    Roll call.  
Speaker 1     00:14:15    Mayor Wahler? Yes. Councilwoman Cahill? Yes. Ms. Corcoran? Yes. Reverend Kinneally? Yes. Mr. Atkins? Yes. Mr. Foster? Yes. Mr. Ahmed? Yes. Yes. Sorry. Mr. Aria? Yes. And Madam Chair?  
Speaker 0     00:14:31    Yes. Okay. Item number 14, discussion area in need of redevelopment study on block 1901 in Piscataway Township on 44 Delton Road.  
Speaker 3     00:14:47    I believe Mr. Clarkin is here. Madam Chair, Mr. Clark  
Speaker 9     00:14:50    Discuss his report. Yes. Good evening, members of the board. Thank you Tom for the introduction. I'm James Clarken of Foresight Planning Council first and then your board directed me to put together the study for block 1901 lot 64.01, dated March 26th of this year. So I will be guiding you through my report and its findings and happy to take any questions at the end. So you all may know this property or better know this property is 44 Stelton Road. It is where the former new market school is located. And I'm gonna skip to the end of my report just for a, sorry for a math just to orient us all of where we're talking about. So in the light blue box is the subject property that I investigated. I'm pretty sure most of you're very aware of this property. It's pretty well known in the township.  
Speaker 9     00:15:50    And it's also come before this board for site plan reviews for several projects. So as you can see two structures on there. You have a roughly 10,000 square foot strip commercial built building built in the 1980s. That's on the south side a lot. And then on the north side is, like I said, the new market school or the former new market school that was in the process of being rehabbed into an office use. But I will get into that. As you can see, new Market Park is directly adjacent to our property, pretty much dominated by residential neighborhoods all surrounding the property. And then as you all know, there is a small commercial corridor along Stelton Avenue that is nearby. So I'm gonna jump back up. So I was able to visit the site on February 26th of this year and collected some photographs and I did my typical due diligence of your zoning and building records, police records, ownership, all that good stuff in preparation for this study.  
Speaker 9     00:16:58    So with that, I will get into a little background. I'll try and be brief. 'cause like I said, I'm pretty sure you all are very familiar with this. So it's actually in your business professional zone BP two. And it covers the land area of about 3.43 acres. I already touched on the buildings that are on there, but just for the record, the former new market school is roughly total of 63,460 square feet. And that includes a 13,500 square foot edition on the rear of the building that I believe your board, actually it may have been, I can't recall if it's this board of the zoning board, but one of your boards approved that project.  
Speaker 9     00:17:42    Upon revisiting those, it does not appear any of the uses approved by the zoning. Oh, sorry. You know what? I skipped a step in 2018. Sorry, I'll start over now. I see it. In 2016, your board approved the former new market school project. So that was 10 years ago. And as you'll see in the photographs, there was not much progress made. In 2018, the zoning board granted approvals for the existing strip mall. So that's where you, they approved a pizzeria, a bakery, and a diner as tenants. Then again, in 2021 they came back to grant an approval for a restaurant in the same strip mall building. So when I did my site visit, none of those uses were in operation or looked like they were anywhere near complete.  
Speaker 9     00:18:29    And I can say the same about the new former or the former new market school. Some construction was done but it was nowhere near complete. In terms of tenants, these strip mall did have one tenant, it's provide bank the occupy about little less than 3000 square feet. But that was the only tenant in that building. As for the former school, there were no tenants active upon my visit. However, I learned that the post office did have a small 768 square foot space that they had to vacate due to molt. And so I'll get into those details in a little bit. So that's really a overview. I did want to note that when I reviewed some of the police records, there were some, there were some mostly about post office patrons that may have complained or something along those lines. But I did find one where young kids were exploring the construction zone, which is obviously unsafe to the community. So I did wanna flag that. In terms of environmental, I reviewed the study area and did not find anything of significant environmental value or of environmental concern. No wetlands, as you know, you guys approved projects, there's been nothing found. So I don't think there's any environmental reviews.  
Speaker 9     00:19:59    I already kind of went over surrounding land uses, so I won't dive into that. Again, I do want to touch on the master plan perspective. So as I mentioned, the strip mall was built in the 1980s. The school was actually originally built in the 1920s. And then between those years, mostly in the fifties and the sixties, the residential neighborhoods were developed. So you could definitely say that this is an older part of the township that can benefit from reuse and redevelopment efforts. So continuing onto to my report, page seven just lists all the statutory criteria that is found in the redevelopment law. No need to really go over that.  
Speaker 9     00:20:38    And now before I dive into the pictures of my site visit, I just wanna note a couple things. Mainly that it seems from doing some due diligence that the COVID-19 pandemic really caused some definite delays for construction for both projects. I did find some construction code violations, particularly for the school where they had to redo the electrical and it basically had to be ripped out. And unfortunately I think all those things combined to cause financial issues because it was found out that the former school was the subject of a strict foreclosure. So basically that meant that to avoid foreclosure, the former owner handed over the deed to the bank. So they now have ownership and control of the property. And then I observe significant vacancies over 70% unoccupied space in both buildings on average. And that these conditions have persisted for about two years. So now I will go into the photographs.  
Speaker 9     00:21:45    So these are facade photos. Top is the strip mall, commercial building. Bottom is the facade of the new school, sorry, former new market school. I already keep saying that. So you can see they definitely did some work, but the construction fencing is still up. They did some windows, but once you, and then this kind of really shows the rear addition that was approved all the way back in 2016. So mostly exterior is done, but as you're about to see the interior is not so definitely not fit for tenants for an office use. Building on the bottom photo you can see that they had to get rid of the jar wall probably to rip out all the electrical that was not up to code and never were able to replace it.  
Speaker 9     00:22:34    The top is an interior photograph of the school that I guess just never got touched. This looks like it's, you know, no construction occurred here. Bottom photos, a broken window, unclear if that was vandalism or someone trying to enter either way, definitely an unsafe condition for the community. And you know, the top photo's pretty clear, you know, they store materials here, they seize construction. They just couldn't get very far and had to ultimately abandon the project. And up top here is the former post office space, but as I mentioned, they were not there. So that concludes the photographs for the former school. Now I'm gonna move on to the commercial building where you have one tenant, but the remainder of it, about 70% was being constructed for that restaurant use that the zoning board approved back in 2018. It, so as you can tell also in a state of construction materials, unfinished walls, you know, pictures tell the story formally.  
Speaker 9     00:23:39    So overall, I think the conditions shown in the photographs clearly show a majority of the buildings being substandard, unsafe, not tenable, definitely vacant and abandoned and possibly discontinued. And I think these conditions are clearly detrimental to the township. So just to put a bow on this, I'm gonna touch on the exact criteria of the law that I feel the conditions matched to. So the first is the A criteria, I won't read the entire thing, but it's basically saying the generality of buildings are substandard, unsafe, dilapidated, or really in a condition that's unwholesome to living or working conditions. I think without a doubt we could definitely say that no tenant could occupy the, either the former new market school or the restaurant space in the commercial building, you know, just, just the way they are. They're unfinished spaces. So they're substandard and unsafe. And as I mentioned, there are records of young residents entering into those unfinished construction sites, which is what whatever it's for, it's, it's definitely an unsafe activity for the community.  
Speaker 9     00:24:45    And then the B criteria is more related to the discontinuance of the use of a commercial building or a shopping mall or an office park, which these two uses definitely are consistent with. But the key word is the significant vacancies of such buildings. So I'm gonna put some statistics before you. So as I mentioned, let's start with the small commercial building had one tenant occupying 2,900 square feet out of a total of about 10,400 square feet. So that gives you an unoccupied rate of 73%. So almost three quarters is unoccupied and it's been that way for over two years. So I definitely that think, I believe that's both significant and meets the criteria of the B criteria for being, excuse me, have having a significant vacancy. And then I would pose the same exact same argument argument for the former new market school because that has a total of 63,000 square feet, give or take.  
Speaker 9     00:25:52    And when the post office was there they only occupied a measly 768 square feet. So that's pretty much a 99% vacancy. Yeah, vacancy rate or unoccupied state. And since they moved out due to the mold, probably from the unfinished condition of the construction, that moved to a hundred percent in the last couple months. And then finally I think you could make an argument that because of the foreclosure status of the former school, you could argue that there isn't an abandonment in terms of the project they proposed to your board 10 years ago that they're obviously not going to be able to finish. And then finally the H criteria is the smart planning criteria. I think that since this is part of a vibrant existing residential neighborhood with a commercial corridor, this could definitely be redeveloped in a smart way to have walkability, you know, a sense of place for community. So I definitely think that this criteria can also apply. So in conclusion, I recommend that the Piscataway Township Planning Board find that this study is a non condemnation area in need of redevelopment based on the fact that it meets criteria A, b, and H of the law. I'm happy to take any questions because I know I went over a lot of statistics and numbers, but that is my recommendation to the  
Speaker 0     00:27:26    Board members of the board. Do we have any questions?  
Speaker 6     00:27:29    Madam Chair, it's Councilwoman Cahill.  
Speaker 0     00:27:31    Yes,  
Speaker 6     00:27:33    Go  
Speaker 0     00:27:33    Ahead. Councilwoman Cahill.  
Speaker 6     00:27:34    Thank you Madam Chair. Mr. Clarken, could you remind the board the, the, the zoning that's in that area right now? Sure. So you went over it, but just wanna remind the board as they're thinking about it.  
Speaker 9     00:27:49    Definitely. So it's in what's called the BP dash two, which is business professional zone, so relief zone for office strip commercial, exactly what was trying to be operating there.  
Speaker 6     00:28:06    We don't have any option though to maybe incorporate, I know that there's apartments going across the street. I mean could this be like residential and retail? Does that qualify in our zoning?  
Speaker 9     00:28:18    So I think that is definitely a tool in your toolbox for the redevelopment plan is that you can work a redeveloper on what you feel is an appropriate redevelopment use. So the redevelopment plan has the power to supersede your existing zoning code. So yes, I think that is definitely a possibility.  
Speaker 8     00:28:35    And, and Jimmy, if I may, Gabby, it's Dawn Corcoran. This is one of the sites that is in our amended housing element and fair share plan as well.  
Speaker 6     00:28:45    Thank you Dawn. No problem.  
Speaker 0     00:28:48    For potential  
Speaker 10    00:28:49    For  
Speaker 0     00:28:50    Potential housing. Go ahead. Mayor,  
Speaker 10    00:28:52    I, I just wanna interject real quickly. This has been a bone and contention for this site with a lot of the neighbors in the area for at least a decade and a half because of the con deplorable condition of the property. More than likely whatever happens, I suspect that the building will be demoed in its entirety because of the condition of it. So hate to see it go, but it is what it is. I, I remember as a child learning my first, having my first basketball clinic there back in the very late sixties, so it was an icon then, but you know what, it, it's time it, you know, the neighborhood has suffered because of the condition of that and it's not fair to the neighborhood to, to continue seeing the condition out there.  
Speaker 0     00:29:44    So if it is seems to be eligible for demolition, then why would we go through the process of evaluating waiting it for redevelopment?  
Speaker 3     00:30:01    I believe that, I mean as Jim indicated, the designation of the area needed redevelopment opens up kind of the toolbox of development op opportunities for a redeveloper who's actually going to do something as opposed to, as the mayor's indicated, sat on, you know, it's it's in foreclosure now, so it gives a lot more development tools Yeah. To get something done there as opposed to just sitting in its current state. So this is a, a, a positive to advance something positive taking place there right now  
Speaker 10    00:30:36    The bank owns it. Yeah.  
Speaker 8     00:30:39    And also they were looking at that property, they're trying, they were trying to determine whether or not it could be salvaged or is it a, you know, has so much time passed and you know, it's not the code, is it, does it have to come down? So there was also a back and forth as to what was actually going to be done with the old school.  
Speaker 0     00:30:56    Yeah. 'cause I was on the board in the 2016 when it was originally submitted for redevelopment and it's in worse condition than it was originally. So we're going, seems like we're going back through that same routine again through that same process again. Okay. Let's, if, are there any more questions or  
Speaker 6     00:31:17    Discussion? Well, Madam Chair, I would just make a comment to your comments. Is that opening up to the ability to, the availability, as Dawn pointed out, we want to include this in our affordable housing plan is, you know, listen, my husband and I own our home, but a lot of young people with the apartment and potentially, you know, retail, I think it's a, a great part of our town to really be paying close attention to, to be able to hopefully add some additional, you know, apartments, anything like that where folks can walk out of their apartment, walk down the street, get a cup of coffee. It's, it's definitely something that I hope that, that whoever the developer is would be looking at that housing and, and I would be definitely recommending that as you know, council person.  
Speaker 0     00:32:11    Yeah, I can see it as a good site for housing, multiple use housing. I think it's a wonderful site for that purpose and I agree with you in that point, but we have to go through this process for first in order to see what comes out of it, I guess.  
Speaker 11    00:32:27    And just, just put on the record as well, Councilwoman, I I I agree with you a hundred percent someone who lives that close to Stella and I would love to see that mixed use of, of that property.  
Speaker 6     00:32:36    Yeah. I mean honestly that whole strip, we could really, it could be such a lovely gem in our town if we really Yeah. Start looking at that  
Speaker 0     00:32:44    Just by way, certainly much better than what it is now.  
Speaker 10    00:32:47    Madam Chair, just by way of historical thing, when I was growing up as a kid in town, that was the downtown business area of Pisca other than downtown New Brunswick to go, you either went to New Brunswick or playing field to get your clothes or whatever Mm. But there was a small thriving business community in that section of Stalton Road right there.  
Speaker 0     00:33:07    Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Can we, should we open it up to the public now if you're finished discussion in from the board members of the public Oh, Senate Senator Smith.  
Speaker 12    00:33:22    So I'm a member. I'm speaking as a member of the public.  
Speaker 0     00:33:25    Oh, okay. Member of the public. Okay, Bob,  
Speaker 12    00:33:29    Absolutely. Redevelopment is absolutely appropriate for this site. But I wanted to mention two things inside the building, there are some plaques talking about the hi, where, what this was historically, who built it, who were the officials involved that many, many years ago. I'd, I'd like to suggest that in your plan for the affordable housing, that there might be a sentence installed in there that the plaques are saved and given, you know, a prominent location in, in the new affordable housing. And likewise, that building was the home for many years of a postal substation. And the people on the northern end of the town really liked that, you know, because he could drop, they didn't have to go to the center of the town to drop off mail or get a, the right package. Your postage. So the other suggestion I'd like to make is that there be an effort made to see if we can get the post the Piscataway post office to put a postal substation in that location would be, it would be very nice for the people in the  
Speaker 0     00:34:35    Northern just recently left so we could get it back.  
Speaker 12    00:34:38    Yeah, we should. Well they, it's a dangerous building, so Yeah.  
Speaker 0     00:34:41    Yeah. I mean, well back in the area or near that site when it's rehabilitated.  
Speaker 12    00:34:45    Absolutely. That's my 2 cents.  
Speaker 0     00:34:47    Okay. Members of the public, you've heard our discussion. Anyone in the public like to add something to the discussion or ask any questions? Would you please indicate so by raising your hand by a show of hands? No. And Madam Chair. Okay. Thank you. Then it's closed to the public members of the board. If you have no further discussion, would someone like to make a motion, please?  
Speaker 6     00:35:14    Madam Chair, it's Councilwoman Cahill. I'll make a motion that we, I guess this is to recommend Mr. Barlow to have the area in need of redevelopment sent back to the council.  
Speaker 0     00:35:27    Yes. Do I have a second? Do I second it? Thank you.  
Speaker 3     00:35:33    Yes. Councilwoman. The designated a non condemnation area of need. Redevelopment. Sorry, I have my thing on mute.  
Speaker 0     00:35:42    Alright. And it's been seconded. By whom? Who  
Speaker 1     00:35:45    Seconded? Mr. Mr. Foster.  
Speaker 0     00:35:46    Oh, Mr. Foster. Thank you. Roll call  
Speaker 1     00:35:48    Please. Mayor Wahler? Yes. Councilwoman Cahill? Yes. Mr. Corcoran? Yes. Reverend Kinneally? Yes. Mr. Atkins?  
Speaker 0     00:35:56    Yes.  
Speaker 1     00:35:57    Mr. Foster? Yes. Mr. Hammed? Yes. Mr. Echeveria?  
Speaker 0     00:36:02    Yes.  
Speaker 1     00:36:03    And Madam Chair?  
Speaker 0     00:36:04    Yes.  
Speaker 3     00:36:06    Madam Chair. I did take the liberty of preparing a resolution.  
Speaker 0     00:36:09    Yes, you did. I'm sure If  
Speaker 3     00:36:12    Someone would like to move the resolution,  
Speaker 0     00:36:15    Do we have someone to move the resolution please? To  
Speaker 12    00:36:18    Move. Madam Chair. Reverend Kinneally.  
Speaker 0     00:36:20    Thank you. Do I have a second? I second it. Thank you. Roll call. Moving the resolution to have this mayor exhibited area need resolution.  
Speaker 1     00:36:30    Sorry, Madam Chair. Council McCahill? Yes. Ms. Corcoran? Yes. Reverend Kinneally. Yes. Mr. Atkins? Yes. Mr. Foster?  
Speaker 0     00:36:40    Yes.  
Speaker 1     00:36:40    Mr. Hammed? Yes. Mr. Aria? Yes. And Madam Chair?  
Speaker 0     00:36:45    Yes.  
Speaker 9     00:36:47    All right. Thank you very much. And I will say to talk onto Senator Smith's point during my site visit, I definitely saw some boxes of old memorabilia and even old school chairs. So maybe if the Board of Ed wants to take a walkthrough and grab some things for memory's sake might be the time now. Yeah.  
Speaker 0     00:37:04    Put it aside. Let the board of  
Speaker 12    00:37:06    Well, we'll sure  
Speaker 0     00:37:07    That it gets to museum at least.  
Speaker 9     00:37:10    Yeah. All right, take care.  
Speaker 0     00:37:13    Item number 1525 PB 1516 slash 16 V VIR, LLC Preliminary and final site plan.  
Speaker 12    00:37:24    Madam Chair, Mr. Smith,  
Speaker 12    00:37:25    Bob Smith. I'm a licensed attorney in the state of New Jersey and I'm here tonight representing Rag LLC. The property's located at 1 36 Stelton Road. It used to be the home of Forever Flowers, which was an ice flower store. And as a matter of fact, I am mature enough to admit that I did the approval for Forever Flowers. Okay. My recollection is that before Forever Flowers, it was, I think a dress shop, but I'm not a hundred percent sure. I'm, I'm trying to remember driving down Stelton Road and what was there. But the building's been there for a long time. It actually is referenced on the 1925 tax map of New Market Terrace. And the reason I mention that is you got a property with a building that's been there you not forever, but close to forever. And as a result it was built when we had different zoning ordinances and as a result it's, it's, it it has some issues related to the fact that it was up before we had a zoning ordinance.  
Speaker 12    00:38:41    So what we're, what Rag Avir is seeking tonight and its limited liability corporation, they want to util utilize the existing commercial building at 1 36 Dalton Road Block 1903 Lot 7.01, which is located in the C Zone to operate a Crowder's convenience store. The subject property is an existing commercial lot containing a vacant commercial building, which was previously used as a flower shop until the previous owners retired and sold the property. My client proposes a convenience store which is consistent with the use in the, in the C zone. Hence we're not in front of the zoning board, we're in front of the planning board.  
Speaker 12    00:39:26    The applicant proposes and intends to use the building as its ex in its existing structure, which by the way was the same as the flower shop, pretty much as is with an interior fit out for the trousers. Additionally, some exterior site work is proposed to remove existing parking spaces that are in the township's right of way and to relocate them in the rear yard of the lot. The installation of curbs, sidewalks, conduits along the property frontage as per township recommendations are also proposed and should be shown on our map. We're asking for, believe it or not, 14 bulk variances as I repeat the bulk variance to to you, I will say one word over and over and over again. And that is existing, they're existing conditions probably which were approved in the, in the earlier application, but obviously it was approved for the flower shop approved with these dimensions, et cetera.  
Speaker 12    00:40:39    So just for the record, the bulk variance relief we're seeking is lot area we're 7,500 feet is required and we have 7,490 square feet existing lot width where 75 feet is required and 49.98 feet is existing lot frontage where 75 feet is required and 49.98 feet is existing. Fourth one front yard setback where 25 feet is required and 10 point 21 feet is existing on Woodrow Avenue. And 19.23 feet is existing on Stelton Road side yard setback where eight feet is required and 0.5 half a foot is existing. And that's at the location of the refrigerator. Number six accessory structure. Front yard setback where 60 feet is required and 36.5 feet is existing. That's at the shed. Location park number seven, parking partially located in a township right of way where no encroachments are permitted and it's an existing condition. Number eight, parking located within 50 feet of a residential zone where no parking is permitted and parking is existing.  
Speaker 12    00:42:06    Number nine, building freestanding sign and parking located in a site triangle where no structure is permitted. Again an existing condition. Number 10, parking located in the front yard area within 10 feet of the street line. Existing condition. Number 11, more than half of the required parking is located in the front yard. Existing condition number 12, loading area and front yard parking shall be buffered from view and no buffer is existing. Number 13, off street parking spaces where 11 spaces are required and 10 spaces are existing. And we're gonna, you're gonna see that we have moved the parking in cooperation with the township's recommendations. We have 10 now and we will remain with 10, but it's still one short of the 11 required number. I think I'm at number 14, right Freestanding sign shall not be located within 25 feet from the street street line and the sign is located one and a half feet from the street line and existing condition.  
Speaker 12    00:43:23    So everything that you see on this list is existing and had gone through, we believe the zoning board in in 2011 or 2012. One of those two dates, I think 2011. It's our intention tonight to present two witnesses. First the applicant, his name is Bia Patel and he is the managing member of Raj Goomer, LLC. And he's gonna describe what he'd like to do at the facility. And secondly, our engineer and planner. He has both titles and that's James Mastery, PEPP. We have received staff reports, professional staff reports, including the township staff report revised March 4th, 2026 and the CME review number two dated March 5th, 2006. With your indulgence, Madam Chairman, I, I'd like to call Mr. Bia Patel to be sworn so that he can give testimony. You may proceed. Hello sir,  
Speaker 3     00:44:30    If you could state your name, spell your last name and give us your professional address please.  
Speaker 13    00:44:39    My name is Bravia Patel, B-H-A-B-Y-A. Last name is Patel, P-A-T-E-L. My address is nine Winslow Road, Edison, New Jersey 0 8 8 3 7.  
Speaker 3     00:44:52    I'm sorry, nine Vince  
Speaker 13    00:44:55    Vince Low.  
Speaker 3     00:44:56    How do you spell that?  
Speaker 13    00:44:58    W-I-N-S-L-O-W.  
Speaker 3     00:45:00    Oh Win Winslow. I'm sorry. Winslow in Edison, New Jersey.  
Speaker 13    00:45:03    Edison, New Jersey. Okay.  
Speaker 3     00:45:04    Could you raise your right hand? You swear the testimony you'll give before this board will be the whole truth?  
Speaker 13    00:45:10    Yes,  
Speaker 3     00:45:11    I'll do it. You're a witness Mr. Smith.  
Speaker 12    00:45:13    Thank you Mr. Barlow. Mr. Patel, what is your role in Arre? LLC. How long have you been in the convenience store? Business?  
Speaker 13    00:45:24    I'm convenient business more than like two and a half years to three years and I'm the managing director to take care of the Crowder Food store.  
Speaker 12    00:45:34    Okay, so you're the managing member of the Raj Goomer, LLC? Yes. That's your role? Yes. Okay. Why did you choose this location for your proposed Crowder store?  
Speaker 13    00:45:47    So the Pisca is a big opportunity for the big and new businesses for commercial and I saw the Stalton roar is one of the busiest roar and there is many commercial business over there. So I get the opportunity to get the building without changing any exterior and interior and we can show the nearby people and community what they needed. That's why.  
Speaker 12    00:46:17    Okay. This is a little bit like maybe 50 years ago when you would have a store that you could walk to as well as those driving by, but it's a nice amenity for the neighborhood in which you're located, correct?  
Speaker 13    00:46:33    Yes.  
Speaker 12    00:46:34    Thank you. What are your proposed hours of operation?  
Speaker 13    00:46:40    Morning six to am to 10:00 PM at the night.  
Speaker 12    00:46:45    Okay. And how many employees will be in the store during those hours?  
Speaker 13    00:46:53    Two employees.  
Speaker 12    00:46:55    So is that one employee per shift and then a second managerial person coming in?  
Speaker 13    00:47:02    That's true.  
Speaker 12    00:47:03    Okay. And then the managerial person is mainly there for paperwork, correct?  
Speaker 13    00:47:07    That's true.  
Speaker 12    00:47:08    All right. So I don't imagine your managers are gonna be sitting there for eight hours, they'll do whatever paperwork they have to do and leave, correct?  
Speaker 13    00:47:17    Correct.  
Speaker 12    00:47:18    So most of the time it'll be one staffer to handle the crowders, correct?  
Speaker 13    00:47:24    Yes sir.  
Speaker 12    00:47:25    Okay. I'm sure you received deliveries. Tell us what are your anticipated deliveries?  
Speaker 13    00:47:32    So basically this is like we, almost many stuff we will get by ourself, but there is a small truck will be coming like a Freeto or something mightly monthly. Two times or two weeks one time.  
Speaker 12    00:47:46    So let me make sure I understand that you have a partner, you and your partner will buy some of the stuff that's sold in your ouser on a wholesale basis and then sell it as retail and you'll be bringing in by your personal vehicle, correct?  
Speaker 13    00:48:03    That's true.  
Speaker 12    00:48:04    Alright. And then you do have some vendors who have their normal box trucks and they will be coming by with some of their food stuffs.  
Speaker 13    00:48:14    That's true.  
Speaker 12    00:48:15    Okay. The how long do the deliveries take it?  
Speaker 13    00:48:22    It might be five minutes or maximum 10 minutes. They have to just drop the stuff and leave. That's it.  
Speaker 12    00:48:30    Okay. And how long do your customers stay in the store?  
Speaker 13    00:48:35    A max. Four to five minutes.  
Speaker 12    00:48:38    Okay. They're stopping in for the quat of milk or the Yeah,  
Speaker 13    00:48:41    We have just grabbing those stuff, yeah.  
Speaker 12    00:48:43    Okay. And you, there is a, an external refrigerator on site. Do you plan to keep it  
Speaker 13    00:48:53    If possible We can use it for our store.  
Speaker 12    00:48:56    Okay. Actually that, I think that pretty much is what we wanted to ask from you. So Mr. Patella is available to the board for board request,  
Speaker 0     00:49:10    Members of the board, do you have any questions for this witness?  
Speaker 6     00:49:16    No. Madam  
Speaker 0     00:49:17    Chair. Ms. Gus Councilwoman Cahill.  
Speaker 6     00:49:21    Thank you. I'm sorry, I thought I heard an echo. Thank you so much for those answers. A quick question just to get back to the box truck delivery. So the vendors who you anticipate coming to make those deliveries, is that for like soda drinks  
Speaker 13    00:49:44    Or Sometimes yes, the Frito Aid truck comes and if they're short out something like that they can come and drop it.  
Speaker 6     00:49:51    Right. And same for Coca-Cola or Pepsi?  
Speaker 13    00:49:55    Yes.  
Speaker 6     00:49:56    Okay. So the, I say this because I used to wear for co Coca-Cola. So you delivery drivers, I know for sometimes small scale, some of them were required to merchandise the product. You're saying they are not doing that your employee, one employee will be doing that or two employees?  
Speaker 13    00:50:16    Yes. One, I will schedule the delivery when I was there so I can, me and the one employee can help to figure it out, all this stuff.  
Speaker 6     00:50:26    Okay, so the delivery is just a drop off you sign for the product, they wheel it in and I'm assuming that they're gonna be parking on that side street while that happens then? Or what times will your deliveries be? I mean I don't think like the soda people deliver overnight or anything like that. That's during regular business hours. Correct.  
Speaker 13    00:50:51    Sometime if you, they give you time. If they say you want to go do in the morning time, it's not too much busy timing then Yeah, we can do in the morning time too.  
Speaker 6     00:51:04    I think that was all my question is really mostly gonna be around like the length of time a a box truck might be parked on the side street if there's no room for parking in the lot.  
Speaker 5     00:51:17    Madam Chair?  
Speaker 0     00:51:19    Yes.  
Speaker 5     00:51:20    Reverend Kinneally. I have  
Speaker 0     00:51:21    Mr. Reverend Kinneally. Reverend Kinneally, you may ask you a question. Alright,  
Speaker 5     00:51:25    Thank you Mr. Patel. In regards to your store, is this a convenience store or like a convenience store or is it a Crowder store? What type of store is it?  
Speaker 13    00:51:35    It's a Crower food store. It's  
Speaker 5     00:51:37    A small, it's a Ouser store? Yes. Okay. Alright. Because the reason I'm asking that for traffic wise, Stelton Road, if you, if those tractor trailers will they be able to get on that side street? Because that Stelton road is a busy road and making delivery on Stelton Road is a certain hours. It's, it's not conducive to where your floor is and it's not gonna be a five minute delivery, that's for sure. Or 10 minutes.  
Speaker 12    00:52:08    Well, lemme be helpful. Is there, are there any  
Speaker 5     00:52:10    Amount of product that you're ordered?  
Speaker 12    00:52:12    Lemme be helpful. Are there any tractor trailer deliveries?  
Speaker 5     00:52:16    Oh, I don't, I don't, Mr. Senator Smith, I, I'm, I'm aware of, of tractor trailers and what they do. 'cause I was a manager for a tractor trailer company for many, many years, you know, prior for my prior job. And you, you don't, depends on what he orders on those streets. Those are large. Some of 'em go 28 to 45 feet. Depends on who's delivering to him. That's why I'm saying that the width of it on, on that street. That's, that's the question I asked.  
Speaker 12    00:52:50    So let's make sure that we answer it thoroughly. In your experience, you've been doing this for three years at various crowder, I assume Crowder or some other convenience store. Are any of those facilities using tractor trailers for delivery?  
Speaker 13    00:53:06    We never have the bigger.  
Speaker 12    00:53:09    Alright, and on the box trucks, worst case in the world, how many box truck deliveries worst day would you anticipate coming to the store?  
Speaker 13    00:53:19    So basically we, if something like that, maximum two times they're coming and that's not too big, they can put it on the backside. So the possibility we have a back parking lot, so at the back we can tell the people that they can come in the morning time and they can drop the truck in the behind so they don't discomfort on the front. Okay.  
Speaker 5     00:53:42    Well that's part of it. But yes, Crowders do have, because I lived in the area in the, in north Stelton area, they had a Crowder stores that closed up and they delivered whenever they wanted and they had tractor trailers. I lived in that area. Okay. If that's the question that satisfies, it's okay with me, but I'm just making a suggestion. There is a busy corridor there.  
Speaker 0     00:54:10    Any other  
Speaker 5     00:54:11    Madam Chair  
Speaker 0     00:54:12    Board? Any other board members that have questions of this witness?  
Speaker 14    00:54:15    I do.  
Speaker 0     00:54:16    Okay. Who's, who's, who said that?  
Speaker 14    00:54:17    Alex Atkins.  
Speaker 0     00:54:19    Oh, Mr. Atkins. I just wondered for the records. Mr. Atkins, go ahead.  
Speaker 14    00:54:23    Yeah, I have a question about the parking. It says, I'm reading that parking is gonna be in the front, the front is on Stelton?  
Speaker 13    00:54:32    No,  
Speaker 12    00:54:32    No parking in the front.  
Speaker 14    00:54:35    Okay, so parking is gonna be on the side and you're gonna build a sidewalk. Yes. What is that, Woodrow?  
Speaker 13    00:54:43    Yes. We will build a sidewalk and we will move the parking on the behind on the rear.  
Speaker 14    00:54:47    There's still gonna be room for parking with, with a sidewalk and buffering.  
Speaker 13    00:54:52    Yes, sir.  
Speaker 8     00:54:54    And Mr. Atkins, if I may, the, the property's a quarter lot, that's why we identified it as front yard parking because technically, although it is their side yard, it is also considered a front yard. I was gonna wait, you know, we can talk more about this I guess when the engineer comes up, but we still do have to take care of that striping within the right of way and so forth. But that, that's more a question, that's more of a discussion with your engineers, so  
Speaker 14    00:55:17    Thank you.  
Speaker 0     00:55:20    Any other ques? Are you finished Ms. Cochran? Yeah. Okay. If there are no more questions from the board, I'll open it up to the public members of the public. You've heard the testimony of this witness. If you have any questions, you may let us know by waiving your hand if you can do so at this time or unmuting Okay? No. And Madam chair. Okay. Thank you. Close to the public. Appear  
Speaker 12    00:55:50    Appropriate. I'll call our ENG engineer at this time.  
Speaker 0     00:55:53    Yes, you, we are finished with this witness. You can call your next witness. Mr. Smith. Thank you.  
Speaker 12    00:56:00    I'd ask that Jim Mati, our PE and professional planner be called and sworn so that he can give testimony.  
Speaker 0     00:56:07    Okay. You may call him  
Speaker 3     00:56:10    Mr. Mati, could you state your name, spell your last name for the record and give us your professional address please?  
Speaker 15    00:56:17    James Matsi. M as in Mary, A-S-T-R-O-N-A-R-D-Y. I'm at 18 re drive Clark, New Jersey.  
Speaker 3     00:56:30    You raise your right hand. You swear the testimony I give before this board will be the whole truth?  
Speaker 15    00:56:34    Yes, I do.  
Speaker 3     00:56:35    You're a witness Mr. Smith.  
Speaker 12    00:56:37    Thank you Mr. Barlow. Mr. Master, Mr. Ty are, by whom are you employed and in what capacity?  
Speaker 15    00:56:44    I'm mostly self-employed as a professional engineer and professional planner.  
Speaker 12    00:56:49    Okay. Again, you give the board your qualifications as an engineer and also as a planner.  
Speaker 15    00:56:57    Do to You want me to give them?  
Speaker 12    00:56:59    Yes, please.  
Speaker 15    00:57:00    Oh, okay. Well I, I got my professional engineer's license and professional planner's license in 1989 and I've been continuously validated by the board every year since.  
Speaker 12    00:57:15    Okay. And have you done planning and zoning applications in various towns? In New Jersey?  
Speaker 15    00:57:20    Throughout New Jersey.  
Speaker 12    00:57:23    Okay. Give a couple of examples if you don't mind.  
Speaker 15    00:57:28    Besides I've appeared before Piscataway about five years ago, four years ago, and as well as Middlesex many towns in, in most counties, union, Essex, Bergen, Hudson, Somerset, you know, throughout,  
Speaker 12    00:57:46    And I'm sure I'd ask that Mr. Master be admitted, his his credentials are acceptable to the board. Thank you so much. So the, would you describe the plans that you prepared for this application?  
Speaker 15    00:58:03    I titled my plans supplementary site plan because the surveyor, ed Nesson prepared a basic site plan. My site plan addresses mostly the parking and the improvements. The sidewalk curb, the, there's a conduit proposed, you know, along both Stelton and Woodrow and, and the drainage as well.  
Speaker 12    00:58:33    Okay. And did you work with the township with regard to the parking spaces and then, and as a result of that, did you relocate the parking spaces behind the building?  
Speaker 15    00:58:44    Yes. The existing parking spaces, whether illegal or not run right across the property line. The, with Woodrow, there's no currently no sidewalk there and the five spaces there are actually a little more than halfway over the property line into the Woodrow Avenue right of way. We're taking away all those five spaces and placing them into the rear so that, you know, because not only are those spaces possibly illegal and over the property line, but they actually are in the site triangle, which between, you know, Woodrow and skeleton. And so it's a much better, you know, layout and a much safer layout.  
Speaker 12    00:59:41    Great. But, and you did this working with the town professionals, correct? Correct. Right. And just for the record, and I'll get Mr. Patel back on if you wanna hear it, we didn't not do any of the parking when they bought the property. Some additional parking had been added since the 2011 approval wherein they didn't go before your boards. So, but it's not a shame on Mr. Patel, he didn't do it, he didn't do anything wrong. Prior property owner or someone took it upon themselves to add these parking spaces in the township Right of way. So one good thing about the application among other good things is that you're correcting a problem that was not created by them. So were we able to provide, again, to this property, the 10 spaces that had been previously approved, again, by variance allowing a one space shortage.  
Speaker 15    01:00:44    So we are providing 10 spaces if we include the five spaces that there were previously five spaces, right. And the ones that were right over the, into the right of way, were were actually delineated with, you know, delineated spaces. Again, we're getting rid of all those and we have 10 spaces where I believe 11 is required. However,  
Speaker 12    01:01:09    And that was the variance received by the way in 2011. Just FYI.  
Speaker 15    01:01:14    Right. There is a possibility of course to park along the Woodrow Avenue curb because there at least two spaces available there. It's a 50 foot right of way. You know, someone would have to come into the parking area and back out regardless of whether they're parking in that parking area to the rear and then come out Wood Road towards Delton anyway and should they, you know, and first enter the parking area and see there are no spaces they can back out and possibly park right along the curb of Woodrow it.  
Speaker 12    01:01:57    So, so Jim is your point that in many ways this application is superior to the Forever Flowers application because in effect, by removing the parking on the side on the Woodrow side, you've now allowed for some on-street parking that wasn't possible before.  
Speaker 15    01:02:14    Correct. And we're constructing full height curb there where be where now there's a, a fully depressed curb. So yes, that creates two more spaces. So in, in actuality, if you include those spaces, then we have satisfied the technically, you know, the technical requirement of the ordinance.  
Speaker 12    01:02:34    Got it. So my understanding is that on the plan there is a concrete pad that's going to be used as a dumpster enclosure and you have a specific comment to make about the thickness of the concrete of the pad. Is that true? And what  
Speaker 15    01:02:55    Is Yes, there was a comment from the engineering division that the dumpster pad should be eight inches. That's absolutely not necessary. There's no truck that will be coming up onto that pad. Four inches would be enough. Four inch thick pad will be more than enough for a small dumpster or however the garbage is contained.  
Speaker 12    01:03:21    So you're, you're recommending that to the board?  
Speaker 15    01:03:24    Yes.  
Speaker 12    01:03:25    Okay. Tell us about the existing external refrigerator.  
Speaker 15    01:03:35    I, I, I can't really speak to that. I well,  
Speaker 12    01:03:38    Well you heard of the, our client's testimony that they plan to use it in their business, correct?  
Speaker 15    01:03:43    Yes.  
Speaker 12    01:03:44    And that doesn't create any site plan problems for us?  
Speaker 15    01:03:46    Oh, no, no, no. There's a fence right along there.  
Speaker 12    01:03:50    Okay. Based on the size of the lot and the existing asphalt, are any additional stormwater measures needed  
Speaker 15    01:04:03    That remains to be seen? There were no comments from the engineering division regarding the stormwater and I, I, I guess Joe is, is putting it off to the future to be, to, to, for any comments? I don't propose any, there's an increase of approximately 1000 close to 1,200 square feet of a impervious area in the back. If the engineering looks at it and says, well, we'd like a seepage pit in there, I can design a seepage pit. As of right now I'm just showing the water entering from the, from the parking area and back to Woodrow Avenue and then would travel towards Stelton along the curb. So does,  
Speaker 12    01:04:49    Does the existing stormwater system work?  
Speaker 15    01:04:56    Yes, there's no, there have been no complaints. The, the stormwater travels along the curb to the nearest catch basins. And right now, as, as far as I know, there are no complaints. But again, that's for the engineering division to make to comment on. It wasn't commented on in the engineering review letter and I thought it would be, but that's still an, an outstanding item actually.  
Speaker 3     01:05:23    Mr. Smith, perhaps as a potential condition of approval, would the applicant agree to work with Mr. Herrera with regards to any storm water issues that he identifies?  
Speaker 12    01:05:35    Mr. Patel, does that work for you? Okay, so the answer is yes. Okay. Yes. All right. The, the conduits that the township is requiring on the property frontage, my understanding is that you're we're also being asked by the town to install curves and sidewalks where required. And my understanding as well is that the town wants these noted on the plan. Do we have any objection to that? No. Alright. And Mr. Master Naty, you have no problem revising the plans accordingly?  
Speaker 15    01:06:18    No problem.  
Speaker 12    01:06:19    Alright, and then fa finally, there's no proposal for additional lighting. You already have lighting on the, on the property. Do in your professional opinion, Mr. Master nty, is that lighting sufficient for this project?  
Speaker 15    01:06:37    I believe so.  
Speaker 12    01:06:39    And how about landscaping? What are we doing in the area of landscaping?  
Speaker 15    01:06:44    We're proposing seven arm of ie. Techn American arm of IE at the back, beyond the, the cur curb at the back of the lot to the rear to buffer and along with the fence to buffer the adjacent residence. Residence.  
Speaker 12    01:07:03    Alright. That, that concludes his testimony concerning engineering. I'm gonna flip him into the planner mode if that's okay. Madam chair?  
Speaker 0     01:07:14    Yes, that's fine. I don't think we need to have a separate questioning session.  
Speaker 12    01:07:20    Okay. So if you would, putting on your hat as a licensed professional planner, you, you've heard me list 14 existing bulk variances. What do you have to say about it as a licensed professional planner that would give the board the justification necessary to say yes to those bulk variances?  
Speaker 15    01:07:45    Again, as you mentioned, the, it's, it's been, the billing has been there for a long time. None of the bulk variances are extreme unless you want to consider the lot width to be significantly less than required. But the building itself is in scale with the property itself. So I see absolutely no problems with any of those bulk variances.  
Speaker 12    01:08:14    Anything else you wanna add as a, as a planner?  
Speaker 15    01:08:17    Excuse me?  
Speaker 12    01:08:18    Anything else you want to add as a planner?  
Speaker 15    01:08:20    Well, as far as the use, as it's been mentioned before, this is a commercial corridor. There's many different businesses up and down Stelton between Old New Brunswick Road and Lakeview and including dry cleaners, pizzeria at print shop, professional offices, restaurants, two banks. So I think the use is, is interesting. There is one, a quick check about three blocks away across from the library, but I, I think it can fill a void. So I don't know. I, I, I think the use is fine and I've, I think it, it can fit in and we're only improving the property. Again, as an engineer, I'm saying we were proving the property, putting a sidewalk and curb in, you know, we are in making the parking much better, much, much better situation. And you know, right now the building is not being used and I think the use as a trousers could be a, a good use for the, for the, the general area.  
Speaker 12    01:09:33    Madam Chairman, Mr. Mati is, is complete in his testimony. He's available either as an engineer or a professional planner to your board for questions.  
Speaker 3     01:09:45    Mr. Smith, just real quick, could, could Mr. Mati discuss the positive and negative criteria in terms of the grants of the variances, even though they're preexisting, just to get some planning testimony on as to the criteria.  
Speaker 12    01:10:00    Sure. Mr. Master  
Speaker 15    01:10:03    Norty po Well, I mean, I've, I've mentioned the positive criteria as through, not, not labeling, but possibility is that it fills a, a possible void in the area pro providing a s small need, you know, for, for small milk and veg, whatever they're selling in crowds. There's a small items, packaged items and, and cold items, et cetera. Although I understand that it won't have any, you know, food preparation in the building. So it's a, it's a quick and in and out easily, you know, in and out with the parking down come down, wood rope boom. In, you're not, as far as the negative criteria, it's not interfering with the neighborhood, the residences in the neighborhood going back down wood rope because they come in, they go along, they go, what? 150 feet come in, go out, and they're back to Stelton. So  
Speaker 12    01:11:15    Let, let me, let me put it this way. If the va the variances which we're requesting, which are all existing conditions, can they be granted without causing substantial detriment to the public good. And when, if variance that are granted, they will not substantially impair the intent and pur and purpose of the municipal zoning plan  
Speaker 15    01:11:44    And zone ordinances.  
Speaker 12    01:11:45    Is that a fair statement? Correct,  
Speaker 15    01:11:46    Yes.  
Speaker 12    01:11:47    Okay. And on the other side of the relief, we, we have provided proofs that satisfy the hardship criteria doing on this property that's been there forever, doing more than, has already proposed, only creates additional variances and makes the property less than, less conforming than it currently is. So the purpose of the municipal land you saw are promoted by the requested variances for existing conditions and then the improvement of the parking so that there's additional possible parking and we're getting off the townships right of way. Is that not true?  
Speaker 15    01:12:41    True.  
Speaker 12    01:12:42    Okay. Mr. Barlow, does that work for you? Yep.  
Speaker 16    01:12:46    Thank,  
Speaker 12    01:12:48    So Mr. Mati is available.  
Speaker 0     01:12:51    Thank you. You bet. First of all, Mr. Mati, I, there have been testimony that there was a refrigerator outside. Is there a lock on that refrigerator? I'm just concerned about the safety of the children in the area.  
Speaker 15    01:13:05    I think I referred to the, the owner. I, I, I can't speak to that.  
Speaker 12    01:13:10    Let me get you the, Mr. Patel, would you please answer that question? Is the refrigerator accessible from the outside or only from the inside? Only for the inside. Everything is covered by the franchise.  
Speaker 16    01:13:22    No, Madam Chair, if I, if I may, I, I think that this refrigerator basically acts as attached to the building. That's why that they, they have a side yard setback measured from this. It's almost like a room. It's not like a refrigerator sitting outside.  
Speaker 0     01:13:40    Okay. Because the testimony keeps calling into the refrigerator.  
Speaker 16    01:13:43    I'll let others confirm that.  
Speaker 0     01:13:46    Okay. Just, just, I'm, I'm looking out for safety of anyone on the outside.  
Speaker 16    01:13:51    My, my older brother almost died getting locked into the refrigerator at 1953. I hear you. He got rescued by the superintendent of his building.  
Speaker 0     01:14:01    Okay. True story.  
Speaker 12    01:14:04    All right. So emphasizing it one more time. There is no access from the outside to the refrigerated room slash refrigerator, correct? No, that's true. Inside only and under the supervision of your employees, correct? That's true.  
Speaker 0     01:14:17    Thank you. Members of the board, do you have any questions of Mr. Mati?  
Speaker 8     01:14:23    Madam Chair? If I may,  
Speaker 0     01:14:26    I don't know if this is Ms, this is Ms. Cochran Cocoran for the record.  
Speaker 8     01:14:28    I'm sorry. Sorry about that. What do you intend to do with the area that was formally where the parking was? I note on the, I see on the plan is still designated as asphalt. Do you intend for it to remain as asphalt? Are you going to seed it? Is it going to become a grass area? What, what are we doing with that?  
Speaker 15    01:14:49    As far as I know, it is just gonna remain the way it is, which is asphalt,  
Speaker 8     01:14:56    I guess then I'll, I'll go back to the applicant. I mean, would you be willing to work with the township's landscape architect to sort of address that up a bit? I mean, if you don't have a need for the asphalt, it should just be restored, perhaps back to a grass area and, you know, just make it a little bit more appealing.  
Speaker 12    01:15:14    Okay. Mr. Yes. Okay.  
Speaker 8     01:15:19    The other question, the other question I had, and I apologize, I'm not sure if you address this or not, but the, the dumpster area, will that be enclosed with a fence? I mean, that's where the recommendation of staff is. Will it have an enclosure? We just don't wanna see a dumpster sitting out there. So I guess I should say the, the staff is requiring a dumpster enclosure to you. Agree to that.  
Speaker 12    01:15:42    Okay.  
Speaker 8     01:15:43    Okay. And finally, the, the striping for the handicap space, it extends beyond the property line. In fact, it looks like it's going right up to the sidewalk. You know, how are you, how are we going to address that?  
Speaker 15    01:16:03    Well, can I pose that? Is would that be a problem? Because all you wind up with is one, one and a half feet at the most of, of a strip. That's, you know, what, what else would it be? And in order to fit five spaces, we're coming very close to the fence on the south side. Yeah. So it's just a matter of, you know, and so, so it's just an aisle, a five foot aisle that's allowed to come up to the sidewalk. It's, I don't think there's no vehicle parked in that area, obviously. And so I don't think it's a problem. But I mean, you know,  
Speaker 16    01:16:42    I I mean, John, John, I'm almost thinking can they rearrange that it's an a DA accessible spot? Why does it have to bleed over, over on a sidewalk that's public right of way. They've done, they've done yeoman's work in eliminating most of the stuff that was approved in ADA eight exceptance, a little striping. I mean, if they go that little extra yard, you're eliminating extra variance with you taking up space that really is owned by, by the, the township.  
Speaker 15    01:17:11    I mean, that, that's, that's a technicality. It's Oh,  
Speaker 12    01:17:16    Well, technicalities count. They count what is, yeah, it's a technicality. But I don't understand Mr. Reiner stent exactly what your suggestion is. Would  
Speaker 16    01:17:27    You? Well, I mean, is there a, is there a way we can just, I mean, move that a DA space where the striping no, it, which is required, doesn't go into it's tight  
Speaker 15    01:17:35    Enough as it is.  
Speaker 8     01:17:36    Can you make another space compact and to get that striping back into this property  
Speaker 16    01:17:41    Line? Because you guys have done great work, but this is, this is the final five yards here.  
Speaker 8     01:17:46    Let's just get  
Speaker 16    01:17:47    There.  
Speaker 15    01:17:47    I mean, how about that? Okay. If you, if, if you wanna reduce the spaces to eight and a half, well, not necessarily. We can do that. I mean, but yeah. Do we really need to? I don't know.  
Speaker 16    01:17:56    Well, so this goes into the big picture. There are some new variances or waivers, council in older respect because you move the parking closer to the, closer to the residences, but you are putting the avid in there. So I think, you know, to, I'm not testifying for you, but it, it seemed, this is a trade off that the board has to realize that this would, these spots over go in the right of way was approved in 88. You're eliminating them, which is a good thing. You know, so, so there's some extra variances. But, you know, this is the trade off here that the public right of way is basically being cleared of this over overhang and, and making a more rational parking arrangement except for this striping  
Speaker 6     01:18:44    Mr. Reon. So what, what are you suggesting, because you were talking about that blacktop area that's gonna be seated over. Are you saying that we sacrifice some of that? Like, I, I'm trying to visualize this. We don't, I don't really have a picture to look at. Yeah.  
Speaker 16    01:19:01    If, if they, you know, I'll ask the engineer if he could put something up. But what they've done is that, that like five spots were along the Woodrow frontage and it, it, oh, there was a, like a three or four foot overhang into the right of way. This was approved as a variance back in 88. And, and, and a council, you, you know, since you are on that Yeah. You, you know this. So what they've done, basically, and I think working with the township and said, Hey, let's fix this. They've shifted all 10 spaces to, you know, almost in one area, which creates a couple of variances, but eliminates this, this whole va overhang on Woodrow, it makes it more rational. But they have this one little sliver of the a DA spot that they have to have striping on the side for, you know, that, that, that's regulated that actually overhangs onto the sidewalk, which is not their property. It's, it's a township's property. So all I was suggesting is can you put that a DA spot in a different place and, and just get rid of it.  
Speaker 6     01:20:08    So it's not even just about the striping, it's actually that the vehicle is gonna be parked in that spot.  
Speaker 16    01:20:15    No,  
Speaker 3     01:20:16    Reversed the strip.  
Speaker 16    01:20:17    They, they've eliminated that. They've eliminated the vehicle. What they've done is the a DA spot is parallel. It's Woodrow. Okay. But the, the striping that has to be next to it, you know, for, for the access. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the part that overhangs, it's just the striping overhangs, the sidewalk foot and four. And you're installing sidewalks and conduit too. So foot  
Speaker 15    01:20:37    In four  
Speaker 3     01:20:38    Inches.  
Speaker 12    01:20:39    So if you eliminate the striping, which identifies that spot, it results in one less parking space. Yes or  
Speaker 16    01:20:46    No? I I'm not saying that. Could you, could you move the aada a spot in another space? That's all. No, and I think that's where Dawn get at.  
Speaker 12    01:20:52    I think Mr. Master Hardy is saying you can't, but do you, do you, I mean, you've looked at it here.  
Speaker 15    01:20:59    Yes, I've tried different configurations. It doesn't work. It's a foot and four inches we're talking about. And what do you wanna do? Make the nine foot spaces smaller? We could take the four nine foot spaces and gain two feet. And if you wanna do that, but we, is it really necessary? That's all I'm  
Speaker 8     01:21:16    Asking. We're saying it's necessary. I think you're hearing from the planner, some of the board members staff. It is necessary. Okay.  
Speaker 15    01:21:22    So we'll make, we'll  
Speaker 3     01:21:23    Make, so if you made them eight and a half feet wide, if you made them the four other ones, eight and a half feet wide Yeah. You'd gain two feet. Exactly.  
Speaker 15    01:21:31    And that's all we need.  
Speaker 3     01:21:33    That's all we need. Okay. So then you would just need, Dawn, would they need a variance for the four parking spaces being eight and a half by 18 instead of nine by 18?  
Speaker 8     01:21:45    Mean, can we just make 'em compact? I mean, it's a,  
Speaker 16    01:21:48    You can call 'em compact and I call it a variance. But again, that's the trade off. I think that's a good  
Speaker 3     01:21:53    Trade off. So, so strike  
Speaker 8     01:21:54    Put a sign of compact. So the  
Speaker 3     01:21:56    Four, the four parking spaces will be eight and a half by 18. And that will allow the striping to come off the right of way. Is that acceptable, Mr. Smith?  
Speaker 12    01:22:11    Does it solve our a DA problem?  
Speaker 3     01:22:14    Yes,  
Speaker 16    01:22:15    Yes, yes.  
Speaker 3     01:22:15    You'd still have five feet of a DA, it just wouldn't be in the right of way.  
Speaker 16    01:22:19    Okay. And you eliminated variance, which is,  
Speaker 12    01:22:22    Which is a great thing, Mr. Mr. Bernard, you understand the revision, the eight and the eight and a half feet wide spaces.  
Speaker 15    01:22:30    We'll make a eight and a half feet,  
Speaker 12    01:22:32    Eight and a half feet. Right. Why not?  
Speaker 3     01:22:34    Okay.  
Speaker 12    01:22:36    All right. So Mr. Patel, that that works for you. What  
Speaker 3     01:22:45    Happened to Mr. Mr. Bernard? We lost him.  
Speaker 16    01:22:49    He disappeared. I, yeah,  
Speaker 3     01:22:50    Right. He vanished. I'm,  
Speaker 16    01:22:55    I think he's figuring out, no,  
Speaker 15    01:22:59    I have to put an object down on the, the camera so you can see. Oh, okay. All right. And hopefully forward. Dawn,  
Speaker 3     01:23:05    Did you have any other comments? Okay. And Mr,  
Speaker 15    01:23:13    I'd like to point out, notice I say loading area just beyond the handicapped space toward the building. I have a loading area there. I'm thinking of maybe if a truck wants to park along the curb and unload, maybe create a five foot depressed curb with a curb along Woodrow Avenue so they can roll something in and go directly into the, the door. I see. See where I have an e there that's an entrance for loading. They can go directly from the truck through a five foot wide depressed curb in Woodrow, directly into that door. That's at the, the course. They're gonna defend that. So, and you know, talking, you're talking about loading before. So it can either pull into the parking area and go through the, the striped area for the handicapped and into the loading area, and then into the back of the building or park along Woodrow Avenue, go through a, maybe I could propose a five foot wide depressed curb go right up there as well through the loading area, which I de designated on the land into the door at the rear, where I have an e Do you see that?  
Speaker 12    01:24:41    I don't know if the, if the town understands that. Well,  
Speaker 3     01:24:44    I think we understand that we just, it just came out of the blue. 'cause there wasn't a question about it, so. Right.  
Speaker 15    01:24:49    I just, I just thought I'd mention that and that striped area would be used because I have wheel stops along all the parking there, including the handicapped.  
Speaker 3     01:25:02    I, I don't  
Speaker 15    01:25:03    The town. So where would that, you know, truck that offloads, where would that, that, where would they roll that in? It would be, they would be using that striped area.  
Speaker 3     01:25:14    I don't think. Just this comment. Okay. Mr. Messer. I don't think the town is asking for a depression in the curb that you're putting in on with drugs. It's not something that the town is looking for you to do.  
Speaker 12    01:25:25    Right. The town is asking for eight and a half feet wide spaces.  
Speaker 15    01:25:30    I know I changed the subject a little bit. Yeah, I agree. Eight and a half.  
Speaker 12    01:25:33    Well, that's not a great idea, if I can make that plain. All right. The town's is saying to us that eight and a half feet wide spaces and a revision to the striping solves this issue. Am I missing it or is that what you're saying?  
Speaker 3     01:25:52    That's what I'm saying. You're addressing it to me, Mr. Smith. And I think Ms. Corcoran nodded in agreeance to that. And that gets rid of the striping in the right way.  
Speaker 12    01:26:00    Right. Mr. Patel, you're good with this? Yes. Okay. Okay. That was the correct answer. So we're gonna need to revise before you need to get a revised plan to the town so they can see that it's been done. The, it's impractical, but, but we'll do it. Okay. Let Mr. Smith, any other witnesses or testimony or,  
Speaker 0     01:26:30    No, we were in the middle of questioning, I think. Yeah. Finishing up questioning for the board. We have to open it to the public members of the public. If you have any questions of the final witness, who was Mr. Ma? Ms. Mati, would you please indicate by raising your hand, Ms. Buckley, do you see any, anyone who wants to answer a question?  
Speaker 12    01:27:03    No. Madam Chair.  
Speaker 0     01:27:04    Okay. Close to the public members of the board. If you have no further questions, would someone like to propose a motion to accept this application, if that is your desire?  
Speaker 12    01:27:21    Okay. So let me be a little outrageous.  
Speaker 0     01:27:27    Don't be out. Just, just say what you have to say, Mr. Smith.  
Speaker 12    01:27:31    Okay. The, the gentlemen who are on VIR LLC have a serious need to get this business up and running. And just FYI background, what created the, the nightmare that this has been for them is not anything they did or anything that we did, we did not represent them on the real estate purchase. And whoever represented 'em on the real estate purchase didn't do, in my opinion, the appropriate due diligence. They knew nothing about these parking spaces being illegal. And Dawn did the right thing when she reviews and she said, you're on our property. What's going on here? That created an engineering nightmare and a timing nightmare.  
Speaker 12    01:28:30    Mr. Patel, you, you close on this property how long ago? It's almost nine months. All right. He's, and we're pleading for Mercy here. The mercy is that he needs to, to try and get this business underway. I think Mr. Na, master Nati can get a quick plan back to the town. But if there's any way in, in, in your deliberations, and I don't know what, what, do you have an, do you have a, anything beside the, this, the regular meeting, do you guys have a second meeting or a TRC meeting or a site plan meeting or something?  
Speaker 3     01:29:13    We don't have a meet. We don't have a meeting where action could be taken  
Speaker 12    01:29:18    Until May.  
Speaker 3     01:29:22    Yes.  
Speaker 12    01:29:23    Yes. That the next meeting is  
Speaker 3     01:29:24    In May, May 13th.  
Speaker 12    01:29:26    Yeah. Well, wouldn't this be a condition of  
Speaker 3     01:29:30    Approval? I'm confused.  
Speaker 8     01:29:31    It would be a, it would be a condition of approval, and certainly your engineer can start working on all of these revisions.  
Speaker 12    01:29:38    Not even a question. I'm trying to find a way to get them able to get a building permit, get the job done, and get the store open. Does anybody have a constructive suggestion other than waiting until a memorialized resolution on May the third, may the 13th, did you say?  
Speaker 3     01:29:58    Yeah, May 13th. I, I don't have a, a construct of one other than Mr. Mati can certainly prepare the plans in keeping with everything that was agreed to, so that once the resolution is adopted, boom, you can go right in. Because I mean, the, the, the building department, Dawn, is everyone's gonna need to see plans that are consistent with the resolution that I haven't put together yet. Right.  
Speaker 8     01:30:21    And certainly our client can respond and all of that until we have the re the approved set of plans. But again, if, you know, certainly feel free to reach out to us while you're making these plan revisions. We can sit down and meet with you to go over some of those things we discussed, you know, for landscaping and things of that nature. But  
Speaker 3     01:30:42    I, I certainly appreciate the ask Mr. Smith, but I don't see a, a way of,  
Speaker 12    01:30:47    All right, well, let me try another, how about, how about if we ins, first of all, nothing happens until there are plans that are acceptable to the planning department. But at that point, perhaps they could let Mr. Hoff know that the plans are in a correct form and that they can put in their building permits so they can be reviewed rather than wait till the night that there's actually a memorialized resolution. I'm trying to fi save them a couple of weeks because they're getting murdered on the hurry.  
Speaker 3     01:31:23    Mr. Smith, I certainly understand that I, and I feel for your clients, but I you're putting the staff in a, in a situation where they're saying plans are compliant with a resolution that doesn't exist when it comes to resolution compliance.  
Speaker 12    01:31:37    I told you. Outrageous.  
Speaker 3     01:31:39    I know. Look, it was worth the price of admission and, you know, for, but I, but I don't think they, I think they're gonna have to, you know,  
Speaker 12    01:31:47    Follow the normal course.  
Speaker 3     01:31:48    Follow normal course.  
Speaker 12    01:31:50    Got it. Well, we,  
Speaker 3     01:31:51    But I, I understand the reason for the asking. They're in very capable hands with you and your office,  
Speaker 12    01:31:59    Kind of you to say. So in, in any case, we tried our best. We would appreciate if you'd go forward.  
Speaker 0     01:32:10    Okay. I'm waiting for a, a, a motion from the board. I, hello? Sorry.  
Speaker 6     01:32:27    Did  
Speaker 12    01:32:28    The internet break down?  
Speaker 0     01:32:29    No. Hello.  
Speaker 6     01:32:31    I tried to do it, but I got kicked out of the meeting and then my audio, my video's not working again. So, sorry  
Speaker 0     01:32:36    Folks. Oh, well, you're back in now. Come on.  
Speaker 6     01:32:38    I am back in, my video is not worrying, but I'll make a motion based upon the client, you know, an approval of the application, providing that the client abides by all of the suggestions that the building department has, that, you know, Ms. Corcoran has laid out, of course, in terms of some landscaping in that formally blacktop area, which would've fronted Stelton Road, the adjustment of the handicap parking, striping, the adjustment of the, the other parking spots to meet that. And really any of the other stipulations that the, that the professionals and that the client have come to agree to at tonight's meeting. I'll make that offer. Councilwoman Cahill.  
Speaker 0     01:33:33    Thank you. Do I have a second?  
Speaker 17    01:33:38    I'll second. Second  
Speaker 0     01:33:39    It. Who's that? Who?  
Speaker 17    01:33:41    I, Mike Foster. Second.  
Speaker 0     01:33:43    Thank you. My foster seconder roll call, please.  
Speaker 1     01:33:46    Mayor Wahler? Yes. Councilwoman Cahill? Yes. Ms. Corcoran? Yes. Reverend Kinneally? Yes. Mr. Atkins?  
Speaker 0     01:33:54    Yes.  
Speaker 1     01:33:55    Mr. Foster? Yes. Mr. Hammed? Yes. Mr. Aria? Yes. And Madam Chair?  
Speaker 0     01:34:02    Yes. Thank you very much. You have an approval and a resolution. A resolution soon to follow. Mr. Smith, thank  
Speaker 12    01:34:10    You very much for your courtesies.  
Speaker 0     01:34:14    Our next meeting will be May 13th.  
Speaker 1     01:34:20    Workshop meeting is April 22nd,  
Speaker 0     01:34:22    Correct? May 13th. Thank you everyone. Have a good rest of the evening. Motion  
Speaker 1     01:34:27    To adjourn.  
Speaker 0     01:34:28    Motion to adjourn.  
Speaker 6     01:34:30    Motion.  
Speaker 0     01:34:31    All in favor,  
Speaker 6     01:34:32    Aye. Aye. Thank  
Speaker 1     01:34:34    You Gavin.  
Speaker 0     01:34:35    Wonderful evening. Safe.